So I Tested Faster SWING SPEED - The Buggy Mess of Automatic Melee - Turtle's Lab - Fallout 76
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Can we just appreciate how much testing Angry Turtle goes through just for one weapon and every aspect of the it. Thanks turtle, your videos are really informative and I appreciate the time you take to make them. :)
He wants a nerf!!!! He wants the 3rd person damage on first person. I despise his efforts.
he's doing more testing in a week than bethesda in their whole existence
Mmmm, there's a bug in this video, you're saying 'buzz blade' instead of 'booz blade' :)
I don't like the hitboxes when using the auto axe in third person. so I've been using first person and noticed the maxed swing speed on it, really want a 40% damage secondary with vampires.
I have an executioner’s chainsaw and I greatly prefer it to the Auto Axe. I bought the double arm and flame mods for a few caps from the Watoga train station and I carve through most everything in literally 3 seconds. And I didn’t need to grind Stamps for it.
You can find the double mod at the train station? All I always see is the longbow.
@@Mark-vl9gc i think you can learn double chainsaw mod.
@@Mark-vl9gc I’ve found the box mod for dual bar exactly once at a train station, it is a rare box mod (relative to the common flamer and long bow mods) but you can just scrap some chainsaws to learn the dual bar.
I agree with you. I have a half dozen really awesome chainsaws that are faster on the draw. Maybe when I finally get a vampire or AA, I will feel different. UPDATE. I did get an auto Axe Vampire and AA. I still use the vampire chainsaw.
@@fivenotewonder same here. Bought it once from the sunny top station vendor and I haven't seen it since. Learned the mod by scrapping eventually.
Thanks for the sweet science for Auto-Melee! I rock an Overeaters Hellcat PA with Auto-Axe Anti-Armor 40 dmg for Pitt runs. Still rolling on legendary Chainsaws. Can’t go back to my Shredder.
Thanks Turtle it’s amazing to me that during the whole Pitt development cycle they were going to revamp auto melee and have failed so miserably! I really want a review of less ap vs ap on kill on auto axe as I find I struggle to keep grinding through mobs (non PA but unyielding) without it stalling. Cheers
Consider adding the Aerodynamic mod to your arms. It's less efficient than Optimized Bracers on PA arms, but it still massively improves AP consumption on auto melees.
Thanks for testing this Turtle, been curious on how FFR works on the Auto Axe
Watch Bethesda make swing speed auto melees a new generation of legacies instead of fixing them...
You were correct with this prediction 👏
Wdym? @@ericmontgomery5316
Thx for the video it answers a lot of questions, out of curiosity tho can auto axe compete with chainsaw at all? i got a double bar flaming vampire 40% more power attack damage chainsaw and i wonder if a similar row electrified or fire auto axe could compete
Thank Turtle, I suspected something was not quite right with SS on the autoaxe. It's my current go to melee weapon on my build.
That's so confusing....come on Bethesda! Thanks Angry Turtle, great update.
My first chainsaw was a ffr and it rips in a fever second with dbl bar. It’s not vampire, but don’t need it. The interruption to the enemies attacks is enough, especially shooty type enemies. The only weird I have noticed while using chainsaw or chainaxe is when you jump on an enemy while holding the fire button, you get a weird stuttering affect with your attacks, but if you run or walk up to an enemy the stuttering affect is non-existent. Hope this helps.
that's only in first person
I love your effort on making these videos ❤️
I wish they'd fix the double "stall" with chainsaw and autoaxe when you land.
God it’s hell, that and the small hit box in third person where you know you hit them but it doesn’t register damage
this first person jankiness also influences charge barrel ugl, more prominent on faster firerate
Swing speed on automatic weapons seems to also make them break much faster.
Yeah I prefer 40 power attack damage.
@@Mark-vl9gc what about standing still damage is now second best?
@@Dark-Pikachu1 Nope it's not multiplicative so power attack Is better
Turtle you owe me 85 stamps I bought the turbo mod on your earlier video analysis!. JK man thank you for doing all this work confirms my suspicions this was awesome!
I noticed that on the turbo the actual turbine doesnt spin. That is a failure.
So the swing speed prefix on a chainsaw is effected by this as well? Can confirm in first person the difference in damage with the chainsaw is beyond noticeable!
Turtle, I can't remember you asking us to like and subscribe. I was watching a different channel and they asked almost at the very beginning. If you didn't put it in, I really suggest that you do. I always forget to like videos. And it is the reminder that gets me to hit the button.
It's nice to know that it really works, no more fear that we would be wasting legendary mods.
I'd like to see a comparison between 40% power attack and 40% swing speed on spinning weapons, I think power attack could be better.
Yes this is the test I want
swing speed would work well with vampire's
Actually just got my first chainsaw today with faster swing speed. I never use melee weapons though. I have a whole box full of bloodied melee weapons with faster swing speed in my box. Gotta start scrapping them soon to make room. Started playing again after a year off.
New to the game and I was trying to find out if the Martial Arts perk helps with any of these heavy 2 handed weapons, like Sledgehammers, chainsaws, and auto-axes.
Great job! So what second prefix should I be looking for if I use my auto axe in first person view now that SS doesn’t help?
Ap regen probably
"40% more power attack damage" because all attacks count as power attacks with the Auto Axe.
I feel like first person your aim is much higher up than in third person, hitting the upper torso and head rather than the feet with 3rd
This is a great video and thank you for all your testing. Does anyone know how 25 less vats cost works on auto melee? Is it only in vats or is ap consumption? Im curious and thank you all
i think it only works while in vats, outside of vats the consumption rate is probably the same, Angry Turtle will have to test this too xD
@1:09 Whoa whoa whoa! I think what you meant to say is booze blade.
I can tell you that the drill and ripper benefit from the FSS, I have noticed a significant difference
That's pretty much what some people have stated in the comments in some previous AA videos. That made me go for 40% power attack effect instead (thanks guys).
I don't understand one thing though. Why when you switch to a weapon with 40% swing speed you also equip martial artist ? I thought the point was to show the difference for legendary effect alone ?
they add up, makes difference more visible
If you're talking about a baseball bat with faster swing speed, that makes sense but with the auto axe faster swing speed sould only effect the swing speed with bashing.
Hey Turtle, I don't know if this has been addressed previously by you or not, but I've noticed my AP lasts considerably longer in 3rd person than 1st person with a chainsaw. So, if I have a swing speed chainsaw, does that mean I'm better off using it in 3rd person only?
I hate playing in 3rd person but I will try it to see. AP is stupid broke now.
Either its a bug or there's a cap on the swing speed and at first look the 3rd and 1st person bug looks like a fps glitch. Thanks for the info again!
so what would be the best legendary perks for the auto axe as of right now ?
So the best for damage on first person is 40% more power atack damage?
Yup that's about right. Nice job Beth.
He's already pulled over, he can't pull over any farther!
Interesting observation but for to be real, that stuff was on the testserver for months now and nobody recognized it before?
It reminds me of the Fallout 4 movementspeed-bug where first- and 3rd person got different bonuses applied for whatever reason. Never got fixed if i remember correctly.
I use a vampire autoaxe with turbomod too but what shall i do, dump it? It already makes me mad when using it in power armor and i jump down somewhere the autoaxe-attack-animation gets interrupted twice cause of the stupid powerarmor landing animation that interferes.
Try electrified it's a good mod you still refain tons
I know this video is old turtle but the fact of the matter is every one of those weapons has an attack rate and it’s fixed the Mr. handy I am pretty certain has been data mind at five attacks per second the attacks are for a much larger amount but they’re only 5 per second The shredder the reason it was always so good is it attacks 20 times a second but add about half of the damage that the Mr. handy does still does more damage in that second but it attacks 20 times I’ve never seen any info on how often the auto wax or the chainsaw attack but I assume typically they’re about the same as the shredder However that fog and it was and it was a bug because they’ve since made it permanent I think was like a three times attack rate boost in first person. It is never had anything to do with weapon, speed or martial artist those determine how fast you engage the weapon not how fast it rotates.
Now I'm worried that when Bethesda fixes this, we're going to see the Chainsaw and Auto Axe essentially get nerfed in 1st person to be closer to their performance in 3rd person. I've fallen in love with Chainsaws, but if they get nerfed, I'll probably just go back to my shredders. I've already gone back to using my AA/bash for the SBQ and Earle; legendary Chainsaws are great against regular enemies, but they still can't compete with shredders against bosses.
Does 40% more pa dmg and 40% less dmg while pa work?
first one yes second one no
@ANGRY Turtle - 1st person is way easier to use these weapons as well. In 1st person 2nd star power attack is best then what is the 3rd star best option?
40% less damage while power attacking or +1 strength
@@jimeckel653 good then my chainsaw is done then. Thanks
@@TewkyTag congrats! 90% reduced weight and 25 less vats are good too
Hey Turtle, did you guys notice in The Pitt that limb damage doesn't work? We used shotguns/enforcer, fixers/tormentor and Heavy Guns/ one gun army. Even targeting the limbs with concentrated fire, they don't cripple. It's like they all have adamantium skeleton on. Thought since you're a PTS guy you might know about or why this is happening?
honestly i never tried to cripple anything outside of SB to force landing
@@AngryTurtle I did that with my pepper shaker build. But I honestly have to say there's alot of kinks in Pitt that need working out. Just wanted to pick your brain about the limb dmg not working with either Perks or as Legendary Perk. Thanks for replying and your time.
Bethesda code monkey soup as always. Thank you for the research 🐢❗
That V4040 is a pretty one I feel like the 4040 is now better than +1S for autos
Does this means that The Buzz Blade and the Ripper / Drill aren't affected by Swing Speed???? Im very interested 2 know.
That's what he said in the video, yes.
Yes, only the chainsaw and auto-axe benefit from faster swing speed, and you only get the benefit in third person.
Once they fix the bug with the swing speed do you reckon it will be back to being the best for dps on auto axe/chainsaw?
depends how they fix it
The chainsaw is so buggy in VATS that I just use it normally. The Ripper and Drill are smoother but they do less damage.
So, does this mean, for the moment it's best to drop martial artist and max out on slugger perks with auto axe in first person? Which is the only real perspective I play in.
yes
@@AngryTurtle you replied FAST 😮 Thank you. Also, love your channel. You're my Go-to for anything fallout 76. Keep doing what you do, my guy.
I have anti armor standing still damage +1 Strength auto axe is that second best now
I just want a vampire auto axe. My first roll is always what it already is. You can't tell me this is a RNG at work here.
How do you power attack? I use melee rarely. Also do the slugger perk cards help the auto axe?
ALT, the grenade button
automatic melee have only power attack option
I don't know if it's the same for you, but the button you would use to bash on guns.
Have an autoaxe bloody an 40weapon speed, is that the same than swingspeed? Cos been testing it now, and cant find a difference
weapon speed is the new name for the same thing, unfortunately it currently doesn't work on auto melee weapons
@@AngryTurtle ok 👍 gonna keep it though, if something gonna change, and we all know that this game keep s evolving
So the V 40pa 25lvc chainsaw sitting in my stash isn't complete trash? May throw a flame mod on it and just use it to replace the flamer for healing Npcs during events.
Based on this information would it be safe to assume that the Furious prefix doesn't do anything for chainsaws and auto-axe in first person?
furious seems to work just fine
Highlighting the craziness that is what it is.
Virgin players: "BeThEsDa FiX tHiS mEsS i CaN't PlAy!!1"
Chad players: "Chaotic, buggy, confusionary... HOW I LIKE IT"
I have noticed that swing speed with turbo mod just makes it worse, so I guess it doesn’t stack. Waste of stamps 😂
What's better, 40% Speed + Vampire AutoAxe vs Chainsaw same effect?
Chainsaw . 1 chainsaws are tradeable which is a plus 2 from my experience chainsaws are slightly less powerfull ( even tho a fully upgraded chainsaw on paper does more dmg compared to electrified autoaxe with same effects , at least the game says so , but electrified damage cant be resisted ) but drain ap slower so a vamp chainsaw would be way better as a survival weapon and against mob, vampire is better for chainsaws imho, on autoaxe i'd go for bloodied 40 pa and 1 str it's better for dps against bosses
You're the 🐐
i run into a bug where the chainsaw stops doing any damage randomly
👍👍👍👍
Do you have Speed Demon on? Could that possibly affect it?
yes I always have speed demon
@@AngryTurtle might be worth repeating it without mutations. Speed demon maxes out other things, maybe it's doing the same for these 'new' weapons
swing speed on auto melee weapons should only effect swing speed "bash speed"
Ahh, AAA gaming at its finest!
so are you saying that martial artist and fast swing speed don't stack? Do a faster swing speed without martial artist?
they all stack
Turtle and Turtle's army..
I rolled a V bash chainsaw and it seems way overpowered. Not speckd out for melee.any one else try bash damage on these things?
Ah yes, the most controversial legendary effect
So what you are saying is I have to stick with the Basher Shredder Mingun build and I don't get to play with the new toys. :(
Am I the only one that felt weird for not getting that Nuka Quantun?
Ive been rerolling chainsaws to get vampires for 3 weeks : (
Geesus. Are there any other games that are so f***ed up like this as the damage is dependent on the camera view. Betty did it again.
Ive been killing it lately with my bloody unyielding auto melee build!
Is it weird that I miss the way you pronounce "buzz"? Haha
1000 views in an hour 👍
So, unfortunately the speculations regarding swing speed for the new auto weapons were correct. No surprise here tbh lol.
It's looks bugged AF, in fpp sumarize all possible bonuses even it doesn't equipped. In 3pp works as intended :/
boooz blade!
I'm really surprised they released the update with so many bugs, especially since they don't usually do that or have many bugs in the game at all.
The Turbo Mod for the Auto Axe does absolutely nothing but lower the damage. Quite useless and a waste of 85 stamps.
Thank you Mr. Unofficial Bethesda One Man QC Team. Next time, could you please report this to the devs prior to season release? Lol, jk. Bethesda should really bring you on board to assist testing. Not sure how they missed something like this without even… trying the thing out before release.
oh most of that was reported 2 months ago
I was just about to re-roll my V/40pa/S chainsaw because I wanted swing speed. Guess I got a god roll🤣! Honestly, I can see the automatic melee weapons getting the Flamer treatment. It’ll go a long time without getting fixed, and when they finally do…boom, it’s worse.
Turtle I’ve seen this test it in slow motion and it took exactly two seconds with or without swing speed to kill the creature the RUclipsr was killing and he did it in slow Mo with the timer
Turtles are all doing more damage in first person and it doesn’t have to have mods on it to do more damage in first person I don’t know why or what it is but in first person that auto wax almost does comparable damage to the Shredder
Auto melee weapons burn AP need to fucking GO. I've been using the shredder for over two years and now it's a damned joke. Bethesda can win for fucking it's players over.
What is wrong with u turtle? Why wont you leave this alone?? This actually benefits us!!!!!!!
They ruined the minigun shredder by making it cost ap just to push people to try the autoaxe which is no better in my opinion. Why couldn't they have left the minigun shredder alone? It wasn't hurting anybody..... except for supermutants.
So is this confirmed by the dev team directly that it will be fixed?
no
is it still bugged?
it's locked on maximum possible speed therefore swing speed is not needed and does nothing, currently in either view
@@AngryTurtle ok thank you :)
I really WANT to like 76, I've played it for years, but this pit update has me hands off. I am so turned off by the quality. By that I mean the very low quality.
What's wrong, you don't want to cook stew to charge a menu icon to play The Pitt still in 360 graphics?
It’s almost impossible to perceive, but I think that’s what it does. I think it simply makes it engage faster. I don’t think swing speed was ever meant to do anything to any of the auto Maley weapons. Hence the reason they created a mod called the turbo mod which was supposed to make the blade rotate 200% faster, why would they create a mod to do it? If there was a legendary effect that would do it why wouldn’t you for poison electricity or fire and then get a swing speed ax and get the best of both worlds that would be a little overpowered I mean it’s already overpowered because they couldn’t be bothered much like legacy weapons. They couldn’t be bothered to just go back and fix the thing correctly which would’ve been to take the 200% attack speed increase off and make you either commit to a turbo mod or a fire electric or poison mod, by the way, the poison mod is the best of all the electric element damage aside the poison one is the best one of all, but almost everything in the game has poison, resistance, or immunity
Here is another one, use Gatling gun or flamer, add turbo to your aim button while you are in power armour and first person mode, enjoy real minigun inside of Fallout 76
Works without power armor, just switch to another weapon and back to the gatling. It's my backup for my fister build so I can still do good ranged dps even without perk cards since I can click so fast lmao.
@@doublejesusful what's this, a gatling gun glitch?
Turbo?
@@cortez1030 autoclick
@@evolve8085
Turbo button for controllers, autoclicker for mouse or keyboard.
Steam has a built in turbo function for controllers, I have mine set to two stage for aim, full press is turbo, half press is regular non-turbo
Is this video still right today?
swing speed doesn't do anything as for today
Turtle swing speed shouldn’t even have been an option, but does the made those weapons they made them bugged out so that when you were in first person, you were getting three times the damage which is what the turbo mod is it’s a 200% damage increase rather I’m sorry 200% attack rate increase But they made all of them do that in first person and swing speed. Shouldn’t have affected any of them because you’re not swinging your power attacking that’s what the turbo is for if you wanted to be faster, you put the turbo in if you wanted to do electric you put the electric mod in you wanted to do fire you put the fire mod in Rate and pissing off everybody running an exit at the time they just went ahead and made that attack rate permanent which means now people spend 50 stamps buying the turbo mod and find out it doesn’t do shit except lower their damage. The Mr. handy shouldn’t drop with swing speed on it because swing speed doesn’t affect that weapon either. It doesn’t change the rotational speed of that weapon. You don’t get faster time to kill. All you get is a wasted star not that it matters because comparatively speaking given that that weapon doesn’t have that attack rate increase bug that’s built into the other two weapons. The Mr. Handy is just you know substandard like if it’s the only thing you have and you want an auto weapon then use it but the moment you get access to a chainsaw or a auto, it’s a far superior piece of equipment. There’s another bug it may or may not still be a bug. I don’t know if they’ve corrected this, but it seems that the electric mod doesn’t put energy damage on the weapon. It put electric elemental damage which nothing in the game can medicate just like bleed nothing can mitigate that damage thing as it’s not a like, but still, there’s no resistance for electric element. There’s cold there’s poison. There’s fire no bleed and element if they’ve ever fixed that, but that’s what was wrong with that part of those weapons.
And by the way those weapons have never worked with martial artist or swing speed on the weapon why would you think they’re going to fix it now
The only thing you need to remember is the shredder still does more damage than the auto wax and it does it in third person first person it takes two part cards to make it work and one food that’s what you need to remember however I’m starting to lose faith in you turtle this was not a turtle lab moment where are you actually tested stuff scientifically first of all you put both martial artist and swing speed on the weapon that are on at the same time OK and You didn’t actually use a timer and tested in Slomo with each of the mods my I haven’t got a auto acts with sling speed so I can’t actually test out my self but martial artist is having no effect on the swing speed in first person and third person you may very well be right what you said about first person sounds legitimate because you can actually even hear it I mean it literally sounds like the weapon is spinning faster in first person and in first person it it does damage very close to not not really exactly on power but very close to the shredder but it does it no matter what perk card you have on and it doesn’t do it with martial artist down in third person at all there’s no difference no I have to go search down that video I watch for somebody actually did demonstrate it I had a timer in Slomo and there was absolutely no difference in the damage but I don’t remember I don’t remember what the conditions of the testing were except that he did it and Slo-mo and it took two seconds both ways I think he was killing googles by the way which if you do the ghouls that spawn on custom worlds at the Emmett they’re all the same where is those super mutants that you were testing and that’s another thing that’s wrong with that test you just did everyone of them super mutants is different there’s like eight or 10 different kinds of super mutants so Sam have more some Avenue last resistances somewhere more some Everlast health The only legitimate really legitimate creature to test stuff like that on is the scavengers because they are all exactly identical and they all have health you know I mean high damage resistance high energy resistance and I radiation resistance but the point is they’re all exactly the same I mean that’s what you should test on and you have to test each element because from what I can see with her without martial artist in third person view that weapon does the same damage I mean almost identical time to kill and anything that’s the same like a scavengers as the the Mr. handy and you only see damage increase or DPS increase in third person
That’s a helluva long sentence Billy. Tbh I lost the will to live somewhere in there
Anyway turtle kind of disappointed in your effort level on these things of light I mean your normal testing process would’ve been scientific you would’ve used a slow Mo a N and a timer you would’ve added you know causal items like added swing speed then then added martial artist in stabs to see where it was coming from I mean it it’s it’s like diagnosing your engine not running in your car correctly by replacing the whole fucking car and saying yup the car was broke mad very scientific
Is there a reason your spamming the same thing over and over here? If you don’t like the content don’t come here, easy.
Ironically I’ve had does Mr. Handys with swing speed and swing speed has no effect find out what happened but you can roll up there Murfreesboro auto ask which apparently you can’t roll it on a Joestar although I’m not sure why you’d be rolling Joe stars by dark it’s ironic that it doesn’t work on the web and you can’t get it on but it does work on the web and you can’t get it off is that what you’re saying yeah bugthesda for sure
I ask again because I wonder if you have one does more power attack damage work on the Mr. handy I suppose I can log on a custom world and just roll away and see if I can get that even on a Mr. Andy tested but I wondered if you may be already had one
Turtle you can hear the difference when you go from first or third the first you can literally hear her all the way explaining faster I mean the RPMs the noise the weapon makes is different maybe I’m crazy in thinking that maybe it’s a perception thing you know because you’re definitely see the damage taking off faster in third person in the auto action a Mr. Andy arm without you know any mods or any legendary facts are very similar but as you just demonstrated first person doesn’t change the rest are handy but when you’re going to first person with the auto ask you’ll get a lot more damage more quickly and like I say I may be I am imagination but it just sounds different when you go into first person