TRAIN GOES INTO EMERGENCY AT LA PLATA, MO AMTRAK STATION! November 4, 2020
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2020
- Seems like the leading traction motor on the rear truck locked up, causing an emergency stop at our cameras in La Plata, MO. This video from Virtual Railfan shows this event. Thank You and please stay safe!
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LORAM: We'll grind your rails!
BNSF: No thanks, we got it covered.
Lol!
xd
SDP40F: am I a joke to you?
XLORAM WORKER: Try Greyhound
@@test_fujiwara3457 yes you are.
Should’ve bought the extended warranty and roadside assistance.
LOL
Sweet!
@Boltronix Systems No, roadside. That way, the assistance company doesn't have to help unless it's near a road. :-D
@Boltronix Systems So much for my snarky theory. :-D
I like these quick catch items, I frequently watch Virtual Railfan on various locations and am never disappointed.
Great video. Too bad we couldn't see them getting it to siding track. Lots of maneuvering to get it there.
If the motor locked up, the electrical winding in the motor would melt all it's insulation off almost instantly, hence the smoke. A bearing could have locked up, or the rotor could have hit the stator because of a loose bearing, or something could have caused the gear reduction to jamb up. In any case, I'm sure BNSF has a spare ready to go.
It broke.......LOL
I was watching it live on VR La Plata - heard and saw the whole thing: brakes squealing, sparks flying, red hot fiery metal and smoke! It was nuts, but looked like the quick actions of the crew handled the emergency with precision, professional skill, and safety first! Nice work!!! Also a shout out to the chat room regulars, experts and moderators...great explanations to everyone’s questions and a well-moderated dialogue. Thank you!
Cool seeing the emergency ops. Well, that sounded more dramatic than intended.
Looked like the traction motor on the third loco in the lead had a problem. None of the other loco wheels were sparking like that. And that is also where the crew was focusing their attention during the reversing move. Also, Hulcher got its start in a small town about 30 minutes south of Springfield, Illinois.
Amazing it would happen at the station. Not staged too.
That was Interesting and shows Importance of Routine Maintenance the Units regularly receive. 👍
This is an issue that will plague BNSF, IMO, after choosing to go the "C4" route on it's new Gevos'. Four motors doing the work of six? It has been tried before and didn't work then and it won't now? Yes you save a packet on traction motors , but you loose redundancy and long term reliability? Being AC does help , but it is interesting to see that no other Class 1's have gone down this road?
Great catch VRF !
Cheers Gregg.
It - kind of - makes sense when you consider all the facts. With the current weight of BNSF’s GEVO’s each traction motor is only able to output around 30,000 pounds of tractive effort without wheel slippage becoming a problem. Ballasting the units would help but is more expensive then most people realize plus carries other caveats with it. The hydraulic weight transfer system BNSF has in place artificially puts more weight on the four motoring axles allowing them to theoretically output their full tractive effort potential of around 36,000 pounds. Admittedly dropping two powered axles for the funky C4 setup drops you 60,000 pounds of tractive effort right off the bat and even with the remaining four motors able to produce an additional 6000 pounds of tractive effort a piece, you’re still loosing considerable ground when it comes to tractive effort.
The reason why BNSF has pursued this idea through their Tier-3 and Tier-4 GE units is because with current AC motors and the existing tractive management systems modern units have, a C4 is producing right around the same tractive effort as a C44-9W while having 50% fewer tractor motors to do it. Plus you also gain the benefit of AC traction on top of it. So again, on paper at least, it does make sense.
Now does the increased load placed on the four motoring axles translate into long term savings? I have my doubts. It definitely hurts lower speed tractive effort having 50% less motors per unit pulling. I also question the long term functionality of the hydraulic lift system and the related software to manage it. So do I see it being the end solution to saving money? No, but on the surface it does make sense. After all the FEC has bought into the idea with their own C4’s as well as the Tacoma Railway has EMD’s version of a C4 truck equipped SD70ACe. Granted those EMD’s started out life on BNSF but BNSF found the results not to their liking. But it’s an interesting idea nonetheless.
Now does the increased load placed on the four motoring axles translate into long term savings? I have my doubts. It definitely hurts lower speed tractive effort having 50% less motors per unit pulling. I also question the long term functionality of the hydraulic lift system and the related software to manage it. So do I see it being the end solution to saving money? No, but on the surface it does make sense. After all the FEC has bought into the idea with their own C4’s as well as the Tacoma Railway has EMD’s version of a C4 truck equipped SD70ACe. Granted those EMD’s started out life on BNSF but BNSF found the results not to their liking. But it’s an interesting idea nonetheless.
@@Henry5623 Hi Henry , thank you so much for the detailed info on this ! As a electrician in the signal section , I have also seen cost cutting with "technology" and having it fail long term. As you say it makes sense on paper , but you lose a lot of tractive effort when you really need it?? Very interesting to see the figures , but I feel a powered axel is simple insurance ! So much so that I refuse to have a C4 unit on my layout..LOL. I really need to get out more!
Cheers Gregg.
"Dead" engine: "I'm not dead! I'm getting better! I don't want to go on the siding!"
Bring out your dead. . .engines!!
It's only a flesh wound.
Saw this one happen last night and it was interesting how quickly it was able to stop. They were able to move the train after 2 hours and some BNSF Maintenance folks work
Its absolutely amazing they can stop in that distance
I wondered why that engine was parked on the siding, now I know. Thanks!
very good to see. thank you
Now THIS is a cool shot!
Run it till it seizes ,give the shop boys something to do😉
Wow Nice catch
Another quality GE product.
And Oskar says well that’s something that you don’t see everyday 😁
I like how you sped up the footage around the 5:24 mark, lol.
For the 'dead' engine, was that a BNSF locomotive, or a BNSF rail grinder?
There goes the traction motor!
Train just knew it was comin' by the cams and figured it'd give us a show.
That was scary to watch last night
I'm more impressed by the googly eyes on the trashcan xD @ 5:48
Cool!
yah, grab that 21 pc socket set I got last xmas thats stowed under seat and a 5 lb hammer, we will haver going in about 10 minutes!!!!
I also noticed a maroon MSC container on the 2nd car.
The most important that train crew was fine, but not so much for the traction motor, and likely headed to the shop for repairs.
Uncouple the train set out that loco, or have a crew come and replace that bad one! What are they going to about this dilemma
Nice Video
🚂🚂🇮🇳🚂🚂
will you record if possible?
I can only imagine what that smelled like.
Fresh seasoned cancer
Great video. Sadly YT ads are out of control with their interruptions!!! Like Baby Huey. 😤
@1:42 did something get blown out to the other side of the second track? They seem to be looking there as well..
Does this lock up happen a lot?
I though that was only a thing in movies!
Wow fast stop, not on a dime but still fast
That was scary!
Wow I haven't seen a lock up that bad in a few years 😳 and thats a newish locomotive maybe less than 10 years old 😳
GE ES44C4 BNSF 6939 was built in March 2012 at GE’s Erie, PA Plant.
@@AVeryRandomPerson thank you for that information
well, pulling or pushing thousands of tons day by day on every weather conditions, uphill, downhill, top speed...for some motor just a question of time before they quit the job!
My little poor locomotive! I love trains!
I’m glad they have an emergency at their engine, Wonder why is the 3rd locomotive burning..
The traction motor locked up so the wheels stopped spinning.
So they gonna set it out and get replacement power?!?
At least Oscar was there to help. 😀
I was on there when that happened
On the train? Or the platform
@@BrianKolb71 I think he means he was watching the feed
Yes an hour after when they were moving it
The good thing about GE is you can just cut that traction motor out you don’t have to cut the whole truck out like you were EMD
So, is there damage to the track and train wheels sufficient to force replacements? Thanks for the posting. Good on ya mates.
Damage to the rails should be minimal if non existent since the wheel was sliding along, so every spot on the rail just had to bear it for a short time. It would be different if the wheels do not get enough traction and start rotating without moving the train. This can damage the rails quite badly - it’s like putting the rail under a milling machine/lathe. The wheel itself is probably flat on one side now.
@@theoz2850, You make a lot of sense. Thanks. Good on ya mate.
What time did this happen last night? I was on til late. Must have just missed it
I believe 5:41 central time idk elsewhere
@@haydenverner5458, Central Time Zone is UTC-6. You (or anyone else) can go to time-time (dot) net to figure out how many hours to add or subtract from your own time to get Central Standard Time.
@@donaldthomas7070 I know I just didn't want to spend the time to figure out the other time zones
This is why the railroads stopped at 4400HP. You lose one of three, you can still slowly continue with the other two. If you had two 6000HP engines and lost one, you'd have to wait for a push.
Wow
Ok I see the problem, break out the jack and get me the spare.
Wish i could find the video i have of an empty Union Pacific coal train going into emergency at roughly 40mph and stopping in 5 car lengths.
Ive been on a train that went 0-51 mph in a mile... (we were at a mile post stopped)
Peter Griffin: Ya know what really grinds my gears??
Poor 6939 won't be seeing the rails for a while hope to see you again soon.
It’s a shame because 6939 has a hybrid K5HLA horn.
Did the sparks start a fire beside the track?
Might have been a vent. I saw that too. Looked to be off the edge of the active RoW a bit.
So what happen to 6939 locomotive 👍🇺🇲😃why are they backing the up for inspection 👍🇺🇲😃
If it had to happen, best be near a station as opposed to out in the middle of nowhere.
They'd be stuck then.
The siding was probably more important than the station... ;)
At least its just one set o wheels, they don't have to pull all the cars and have those wheels turned to get that flat spot out...
Whoa
ah yes, GE engineering
Surprised they didn't close the wb track with the people walking around the engine. Very dangerous especially at night.
the dispatcher knew what was going on and everyone were in radio contact
You don't need to pause the video every time you get the wheel in frame the ones throwing the sparks we can see them just fine
Great, another flat wheel
You are joking, but locked up wheel that was dragged for some time will not be ballanced.
@@cola98765 What is your problem? can't you take a joke? Get a life man
tpodole Don’t start a war, just hush your ego before you show your true colors in a very, very wrong way.
So you can't make "you are joking but that's real thing" joke anymore... whatever I'm leaving this thread.
oh geez..
And now flat spots on all those wheels. Phew Im gl;ad I dont work maintenance anymore. LOL
Course I dont spose its as hard to change wheels on the diesel traction units as it was to change the tires on the steam locos... LOL
wow what happend
How long did it get delayed
I think 2 and a half hours.
From stopping on cam to passing it again EB was almost exactly 5 hours.
Ahhh I missed it leaving. (Went to bed before). That would make more sense
i think there was a flat wheel
I assume that a "straight axle" is non powered
Nop was a powered axle
Correct, so that would turn the C-C into an C-1B?
@@jaysmith1408 C-A1A, but yeah that the idea
@@jaysmith1408 It was a ES44C4 unit (A1A-A1A), so it turned into A1A-2A.
@@jaysmith1408 Close, but not quite, 6939 is an ES44C4, which is A1A-A1A (middle axles in the trucks are un-powered), it'll go to the shop as an A1A-11A. Lol.
Budget rail grinder
well, i guess they don’t have to call over loram anymore since this section of track is already grinded now
Wheels on fire NOT rolling down the road.
Was a crew member required to be at the rear of the train as it backed up?
It depends if they asked for and were granted a 6.6 they can back up a whole train length without protection
@@TexasSteelRails Thank you for the information.
Oh my gosh not again why the heck family going to die from the Train
What does that dragging traction motor do to the rail/wheel as it screeches along?
I wouldn't expect there to be any noticeable damage to it. Unlike a locomotive spinning it's wheels in one spot, you are dragging a fixed wheel along the tracks. The wheel on the other hand probably has one heck of a flat spot.
Makes the rail nice and shiny.
Great now I’m scared to ride Amtrak smh first it was the airplane
BNSF 6939 will need his traction motor replaced
For something like that, how much $$$ to replace said traction motor?
@@BradRains maybe over 9000!
@@uprailroadkidthomas 😳
The cost of a single DC traction motor was around $15,000 refurbished, this locomotive uses an AC traction motor which is just over $20,000 refurbished.
The cost of installation is actually low, 2 people can do the replacement in an hour at the appropriate shop.
The big cost here will be the roadside call from Hulcher to place a dead axle in the locomotive and prep it be transported to a shop.
There is other losses too, such as a delayed train, other delayed trains and possible damage to the rail or other wheels.
Railroading isn’t for anyone not willing to dig deep into there pockets.
@@mattmoschkau84 eesh
What happened
Put some more air in the tire and get her going.
BAIL OFF....... Maybe someone tried to run the crossing...
No it was a wheel
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Ghost at 2:40. :D
Was anyone riding point on the shove move?
That was my first thought, too. Lol
Smh Google rule 6.6
Who was watching that shove?
The conductor in the caboose...
What the heck is going on with that train
The lead axle on the rear traction motor seized up.
Can they pull that load with the remaining 2 engines?
It looks like relatively level territory out there. They have enough tractive force to move the train to the next terminal to hopefully pick up a replacement. They won't move as quick due to the loss of horsepower, but the two lead units should have enough force to get the train down the line (force =/= power; you need force to do work, you need power to move quickly). There might even have been DPUs on the rear end.
@@davidwhiting1761 thanks for answering. I didn't see how long the train was, stack trains can be long or short, mostly long. If it was a Z, then they really had a problem.
Because of a trains wheel design it has its biggest resistance from a stopped position. Once it’s rolling the required power to continue to move drops off significantly and quickly.
If they were able to start the train with a dead locomotive in tow then they can easily start it with the remaining power. It may just take longer to accelerate the train. It could be a safety issue though, a loss of a locomotive can reduce its dynamic braking power so it will stop slower too.
@@marianneturner7267 A Z train might actually be better as Z's are typically lighter than regular stack trains due to their need for speed. At least that was the case last I checked.
@@davidwhiting1761 ocean shipping containers have a maximum weight of 60,000 lb each, so a fully loaded double stack is in most 120,000 pounds of cargo weight (+car). Domestic 53 ft trailers have to conform with highway rules, so they max out about 42,000 lb each.
Isnt a straight axle used on pro gasser drag cars ,,,,lol
why did this train locked up the brakes ?
The mechanic arrived around 0730 and a westbound rail train stopped to pick it up at 1700.
thought that was a hobo jumping out of the 3rd unit at 2:31 at first.....
That is not a happy train engineer
Feel sorry for the auto driver tho
Getting famous off of comments day 162,so I can live the dream, live life to the fullest🤙🤙
I AM GUESSING AN HAND BRAKE LEFT APPLIED!!
LOOK ABOVE THE WHEEL THAT HAS THE FIRE CIRCLE!!
Definitely not in emergency
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