Sir Ray Avery on Kiwis leaving to Australia

[@hokitika4888]

Misplaced guilt over colonization has been holding NZ back for decades, time to stop apologizing and move forward

[@druckerman247]

In a nutshell. Germany is the same re. apologising for the war. The war is no more my fault than 'yours'.

[@gregwaghorn8496]

Problem is the people crying, have been taking all there life.
Most of the natives did that as well.
Hunted, gathered and raped, with cannibalism.
It's getting worse now, then it's was in the 1980s.
The mindset now is bloody disgusting.
Having a labour party, that uses, SEPARATISM, COMMUNISM and RACISM destroys any control

[@gregwaghorn8496]

We as NZDERS have nothing to apologise for.
Maori were destroying each other.
By 1900, there wouldn't have been many left.
People that arrived here, had skills, clothes, foods, business, farming, building experience.
That develops what we have now.

[@jasperhorace7147]

Yes, it’s impossible to move forward very fast when you are constantly looking behind you.

[@mikewalters5815]

Time for the majority to rule

[@1969cmp]

If you move to Australia, beware of Victoria.

[@mrpachino6014]

True that...Dan Ardern or Dan Trudeau. All WEF puppet nasties.

[@gsd4me00]

I left NZ for Australia in June 1972 at age 21 because the place was a shithole even then. The $110 airfare was the best money I have ever spent. It took me 33 years to return and that was only to check on the condition of my parents grave and to look up a couple of old school mates.

[@Night-op7zf]

Same here mate. Good onya for calling a spade

[@Dutchy695]

Same here, as corrupt as Australia is its still better in general.

[@johnstirling6597]

I left in 1984, lived in the US , met my wife,(Australian) in the UK , settled in Western Australia, best thing I ever did. Been back to NZ several times and barely recognise the country I grew up in, on the surface it looks like progress but the reality seems to be regressive.

[@RahabsRedemption]

As a Kiwi woman I'm starting to really feel the oppression here now , and it's like being in prison here or something.

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

tall poppy and bullying in NZ is real alright

[@angusnz7910]

Aussie ain’t the promised land it once was…well certain states anyway. But NZ has def become a sad shadow of what it once was. Cent even blame labour for it as it’s been slipping for a while now, but they certainly threw fuel on it that’s for sure

[@last_samurai6690]

Yeah. I am disappointed by how high house prices are going in Perth and Adelaide. They used to be quote affordable

[@NicholasMGlasson]

Very well stated. 'Small country trying to be a big country' definitely a valid point among others.

[@MartinCraig-zt2sv]

Yes, but not just that. We are a third world economy exporting raw products on the cheap. But we keep comparing ourselves to manufacturing economies that add value and produce the end product. We pretend not to notice

[@iankearns774]

New Zealands population is smaller than my state of Victoria. Its got to be hard for their Government to compete fiscally on a world stage. You need people to build things and make things to increase the GDP. If you dont have that you are not selling much and there is no money to share around. They need to increase their population to about 7 - 10 million over the next 20 years. Right now the sheep outnumber the people.

[@Night-op7zf]

@@MartinCraig-zt2sv From my observation its a culture problem as well. Everything is "awesome" in NZ even when in reality its just mediocre. To fix a problem you have to admit it first. But I guess its hard to have a point of reference if someone has never been overseas and the propaganda on media doesnt help.

[@erinloo8921]

​@@Night-op7zf accurate comment

[@NZ_Kiwi1010]

I miss the days of joking around with other humans I cross paths with. I now feel I need to be more withdrawn

[@hokitika4888]

The current Australian government is extremely woke

[@fordprefect80]

True to an extent but at least our PM knows what a woman is.

[@MartinCraig-zt2sv]

Afghanistan's isn't. They prefer traditional values and minorities in their place. Be like Afghanistan?

[@thedave7760]

@@fordprefect80 Thats not a real good qualifier.

[@allananderson949]

​@@MartinCraig-zt2svYou sound like an islamaphobe. What issues do you have with Muslims?

[@damianmcwilliams2371]

Im an Aussie living in New Zealand and i find as a country NZ doesn't look forward and nothing substantial gets built, because everyone complains about the cost.you have to spend money to make money.The Sydney Opera house would just be a block of flats or a parking lot in NZ because it would cost too much,but now its the most visited place in this part of the world by overseas tourists. 💰

[@firequeen7872]

Id rather go to Europe. As a fifth generation New Zealander our ridiculous laws do not allow us to go back to ancestral lands. It’s a great shame.

[@hohepaparaone6567]

i wish you could

[@firequeen7872]

@@hohepaparaone6567 thank you for the kind wish

[@MartinCraig-zt2sv]

Their laws, not ours. NZers are free to travel but Europe just doesn't want you back to your 'ancestral lands'

[@firequeen7872]

@@MartinCraig-zt2sv yes correct you read my comment about our laws not allowing us back you get ten points for comprehension and reading. As far as Europe not wanting such people back may I ask how you are able to speak for all of Europe? Intriguing. At present they appear to be extremely welcoming to immigrants with zero ancestral links. How odd.

[@MartinCraig-zt2sv]

@@firequeen7872 I can't understand why they don't want you back

[@MaryJaneNZL]

1 year to end my degree in Wellington them I’m on the first flight out

[@ruslingmcgehan7137]

Sir Ray is a great bloke but sadly most of what he invented is made offshore. This really highlights the problem faced in NZ where manufacturing and distribution is best done offshore. This the crux of what is wrong in NZ, our best brains and work goes offshore and so does the income. We are almost munted.

[@uniauckland4162]

Agree, many NZ brands are registered overseas with better tax rates, tariffs and overall incentive. We need to make it more attractive for NZers and help support the local businesses and startups so they can be incentivised to work in NZ and not offshore.

[@Davemurray2880isaindian]

How?

[@vickiemorgan8581]

Homes are cheaper and wages higher and food cheaper in Australia petrol lots cheaper too.medicare for kiwis.australia is so much better.

[@mrpachino6014]

and they have Summer in AUS.

[@whatever41421]

Just about everyone I know who is staying here is only doing so for family reasons- very little to do with the country and certainly nothing to do with opportunities

[@last_samurai6690]

That's me. In a shared custody situation. Would have gone to Australia like in 2016😅. Now all the cities I was eyeing has gone insane in house prices, first Brisbane now Perth and adelaide 😢

[@paywize]

Australia is heading the same way as us with this indigenous issue. Their Government is hell bent on implementing 'The Voice', our Government pushing for Co-Governance. This can only end in disaster for both countries if they come to pass.

[@patriciagraham222]

Totally agree. Like going back to the stone age..who wants that? Let's look forwards .. not backwards.....

[@nzkirsty6816]

It’s designed to divide us, then we’re easier to bully

[@booth2710]

Funny cos we are also going through the indigenous thing in the UK and we are the indigenous people and yet still being made to feel guilty about existing in our own country.

[@mrpachino6014]

All our politicians are crokked working for agenda 2030 under the WEF.

[@MaryJaneNZL]

Never heard of a more Orwellian sounding thing in my life

[@fordprefect80]

I can understand people from a smaller nation wanting to experience what a larger country has to offer, but Australia has loads of problems. The high cost of home ownership and high rents are issues that are only getting worse and will get worse over coming years.

[@vumba1331]

Every country has its problems, it depends which ones you wish to put up with. Both NZ and OZ have housing problems but OZ has a future and that is why people live in hope and make things happen.
Sir Ray is correct in saying the Ozzies don't give a rat's backside for NZ just like the Americans don't care about OZ, more that one experience worki g for US and OZ companies has taught me that.
Unless we stop the whinging and grift that is going on in NZ and PC woke BS those that leave will not return and NZ will end up being a coconut republic living in a backwater of the South Pacific unable to feed itself or export products due to the stupidity of destructive green ideologies. The days of large numbers of international tourists flocking to NZ are surely over so the money from that is gone.
A divided NZ will be a poor NZ and all will suffer.

[@gregwaghorn8496]

I'm from NZ.
NOW in Australia.
NZ average house price is $700000.
Wages are too low, to actually live there.
Jabcinda destroyed what Nz had.
We have no major industry there.
Just timber and dairy products.
Australia has a woke govt, like NZ, Canada, and Australia, work for WEF.
The work, living choices in Australia is exceptional.
Places to live, is amazing.
Where most people come for a holiday.
Is at your front door.
I can't stand flying into Auckland.
I had t spend 6 years in NZ, as a tradesman, it was a living HELL.
Been back in Australia 3 years.
It's better for your mental health too.
The Govt is disgusting towards the people tho.

[@valeriehughes1008]

We all did it in our youth, looked to see if the grass really was greener but in the old days we came home for our kids... good education, home of our own, room to be free and a gentle life - don't know whether we still offer the same incentives to come home these days.

[@pt4036]

homes in perth are very affordable at present

[@pisces8284]

Their racial issues are mirroring New Zealand and Kiwis will come back after a change of government. Just like they did when John Key became PM

[@dfor50]

A word of caution to potential NZ immigrants to OZ - you'll be going through the same woke transition that you're already going through in NZ. You're just a bit ahead of us.

[@neilforeman]

I don't think NZ is completely munted? We are hanging on by our fingernails Ray.

[@robinlecomte1242]

I have heard (on the grapevine so to speak) that Labour are looking at introducing - "The NZ Finger Nail Tax", which will be aimed at those "who are found to be hanging on by our fingernails". The money "raised" is, by a Clause within said (proposed) Law, to evenly split between Maori & The Office of the Min OF Finance. Another Clause mentioned something about Nail Scissor, but the language is rather "obscure".

[@l6omega]

Lived there for 18 years. He described my first 5 years. Over time I got treated like shit more and more and more. Sometimes, they would notice I say a word different. Then it's get out of my country. Got that from all walks of life there. Or because I don't chuck sickies they would always from little groups to make my life miserable. Not because I was an arsehole. It's because they kept getting in shit.

[@Jimmy-ns4on]

Not completely munted.... but we'll get there

[@SunnySamuel-zo8jk]

😅😅

[@lerch122]

i found what ray said true back in 1983,i sum it by saying australia in more american and we are more english

[@glennanthony3165]

I agree. The Brits migrate to USA Just like the Kiwi's migrate to Australia

[@krystellelauano6272]

That’s true🤔

[@michaelstanley8209]

Having just moved from Aus to the South Island I have observed that while Aus has it problems that not that dissimilar to NZ including wokeness and racial politics. The one significant difference is the get up and go attitude in Aus and also the acceptance of new people and innovation. The closed minded “no” mentality is sending NZ backwards

[@valeriehughes1008]

The south islanders are going to jump up and down when I say this, but it was my experience.... some of them are very narrow in their thinking... I remember living in Australia for some 7+ years and while there our Ozzy friends would say... "come and meet these kiwi people we've met"... and when we did the first thing the south islands would say - "where are you from" when identifying we came from the north they would snarl at us "you're nothing but pig islanders.. we are the first people...we want to cut the cable and set you adrift".... this happened on more than one occasion. We hated to let on where in NZ we came from because of it... and we felt more one with our Ozzy mates than our south island countrymen. Our Ozzy friends would be concerned and say... "why are they so vicious"... Those were the days of the 1960-70's I hope their attitudes have changed.

[@JimmyStrings]

​@@valeriehughes1008 uh yeah that's very hard to believe 😂

[@last_samurai6690]

Funny we have been thinking of moving to Invercargill and have seen these comments before.😅

[@erinloo8921]

​@@valeriehughes1008I hv lived in chch for more than twenty years. I hv lived in many other places. I hv never heard so many prejudices. Anti Irish anti Catholic anti Maori anti Chinese and other Asians anti Indian anti Phillipino anti just about any thing that doesn't fit in a very small box !!!!! So tedious. I now hv family ties here...but want to get out of the place as often as possible.

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@erinloo8921 That's a shame I had hoped things would change... in Auckland you have every single culture in your street and in every thing you are involved in and every place you go... we sort of just get on and rattle along together - the ones in my street we try to chat as they go past.. quite cute really as they are all smiles and nods as they go past and we enjoy them as neighbours.

[@jacobgorst8357]

Australia should at least be billing NZ for its defense costs.

[@mrpachino6014]

NZ would go bust overnight. We already lose billions to Aus owned banks regularly.

[@colincameron5219]

I know of several kiwis have come back as what Aus supposedly offered didn't materialize.

[@last_samurai6690]

Anecdotes but I am sure stats won't be on your side.😅

[@colincameron5219]

@@last_samurai6690 isn't it strange I own alot of property and have done well for myself yet I have people I know who say do you want to die the wealthiest man in the cemetery yet they then turn around and say oh my grandkids are off to Aus to chase the big dollars and oh they have done so well for themselves in a JOB. First off I never want a JOB I would rather be broke being self employed than just off broke and answering to a boss. As Bob Jones says. If you want to do well in NZ be self employed our tax system is classed as the best in the world for small business. Secondly these young people complain about costs of everything here and protest climate change then jump on a plane to work in Aus which the back bone of their economy is Coal wether you are a nurse accoutant in Sydney your higher wage is due to the export of Coal. Yet these intelligent ones don't want NZ mining. Stupidity to the max

[@mattblack9069]

Come to Australia NZers it is better and there is no Ardern.

[@willsutton54]

It doesn't matter if you call Australia the West Island of NZ or NZ the East Islands of Australia we are cousins.

[@mikewalters5815]

People are worried in NZ About Radicals M.....😊

[@valeriehughes1008]

in oz there is a big up surge of their Aboriginal people and they are following the lead of Maori and the very woke Labour Govt. is encouraging them with their WEF policies and so Oz's problems are starting. Their population base is so much larger than ours so it is more possible to remove yourself from front line troubles. Having lived in OZ in the 1960+ no one was more racist to the surge of new migrants that poured in in the 1960's than the Australians were... we had friends on both sides - Aussie and new migrants... the new migrants had a very hard life and it took about 20 years before they were accepted.

[@nzmeateater]

What once was New Zealand.

[@MartinCraig-zt2sv]

True. We should never have adopted decimal currency and metrics. Then we swapped sides away from our heritage and no-one who grew up after that remembers what true Kiwi traditions are

[@YaIngaYaYa]

Glad that Ray is enjoying his time over in Australia. Im not sure that i agree that Australia doesnt give a rats about nz. Many Aussies are closely related to kiwis (including myself) and we have a lot of kiwis living over in Australia. Maybe at a political level its different but tbh - the Australian govt doesnt give a rats for the rights or safety of its citizens either but at a local day to day level i think the feelings are pretty good. After all, you want good things for your family and neighbours (generally) 😋

[@angelab9819]

Shawn can you not stop feeding yourself while interviewing

[@berniefynn6623]

During the last brain drain, it was found that Kiwis could not pas the naturalisation written test, I passed it on line here, so did we have a brain drain????????????????

[@stephencook8001]

Our prime minister can't tell the difference between a man and a women unlike the Australian counterpart who seems to have no problem describing wot the difference is between a man and a women

[@gregwells8764]

ex pat left in 1997. it was happening then but not on todays scale. the Youth Suicide situation is extremely alarming.

[@richardbuttenshaw4749]

Love that quote .. NZs not totally Munted. !!

[@Night-op7zf]

Should use it instead of "100% pure NZ" for advertising😂

[@matthewrawnsley8131]

Some of us aren't wealthy enough to leave NZ

[@jsurinderveygal561]

Thank you

[@johnburnett3942]

Sounds like more fall out, from a labour govt. Will take a lot to turn this around.

[@raechelweir8861]

Goodness me...things aren't crash hot in Oz either..Cause it's bigger the rot isn't quite as obvious....yet.....Oz/Kiwi citizen.

[@peterbreis5407]

Not true that we don't care, just NZ is rarely exciting news. A good sign of how nothing much is going wrong on your side of the ditch.
Want us to pay more attention, be more involved with us, don't just use us as a spare career choice if NZ doesn't work out for you. Don't make us pay for your defence, hold up your end of the deal, or make the ANZAC legend real and merge forces.
Let's go the next step and have a common currency, possibly with Fiji and other South Pacific neighbours. That should free up travel and commerce.
I'd be in NZ more often if the airfare were cheaper and I didn't have to exchange currencies.

[@kirkclearidge7616]

Australia ticks all the boxes so many people close friends have moved there 15 years ago and have never come back that's how happy they are there New Zealand is just so far behind on all sectors too little too late nothing can be done about this if New Zealand cannot fix it's problems to accommodate a further million people their system will not cope with the demand example largest city in the world is Tokyo more than 37 million people live there and their public transport system is one of the best in the world traffic is not bad but nothing as bad as Auckland during peak hour it's embarrassing

[@michaellee9975]

A lot of unscrupulous employers in Straylia and a lot of locals hate us because of our strong work ethic 😊

[@UnknownartistCallum]

if you think about this question, who leaves NZ? national party voters, or labor party voters.

[@kiwiingrid]

So was it National/ACT/NZF voters that left. Can't imagine it was labour voters cos they are still crying about Cindy leaving. So now kiwis that left will sit by while the Aussies rebuild their country and we whom remain in NZ will rebuild ours. I've kids and grandkids so I'll stay in NZ and help with rebuild before my time is up, that's just me, I won't sit on my arse and expect others to do it. I have the money to go, but I'm loyal to NZ, I'd feel like a traitor if I left.

[@mrantarctica]

The guy just sees what he wants to see when he goes to Australia. He gives one anecdote as some sort of example of the educational systems. Hardly a scientific analysis for a scientist. Living a privileged life and being wealthy, his experience is hardly going to be comparable to the majority of NZers moving there, so pretty pointless asking his opinion irrespective of his title or achievements.

[@koro287]

Yeh,my brilliant well educated kids..

[@angebrowne1371]

😂😂😂😂 white rich kiwi get that privilege 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽

[@paora7122]

Haven't heard much about the life pods. Wonder what progress has been made with them.

[@jimmyboy2]

It's in the values and rights of the AUS constitution...
1. Everyone is bound by law
2. Govt rules by democracy
3. Freedom of speech
4. Freedom of association
5. Freedom of religion
6. Equal rights
7. Equal opportunity
Item 2 outlines further the spliting of power ... central govt (the Federal power) has a house of reps and senate. The state and territory govts, then local government authorities (ie councils). This 3 levels of govt creates a bureaucratic quagmire but it also creates more support opportunities. Eg the 2019 bushfires and 2022 floods ... action was swift and $100s of millions allocated within 2 weeks.

[@rinzler8019]

What about when people catch a cold? All 7 points gone

[@russellturner1909]

Without mining Australia would be nothing .

[@jonathanrait5790]

Without farming NZ would be nothing ,

[@glennhumphries9444]

Without sheep New Zealand would be nothing.

[@russellturner1909]

@@glennhumphries9444 With out koalas Australians would be frustrated ❤️

[@russellturner1909]

@@jonathanrait5790 would still be a beautiful island 😎

[@koro287]

@@glennhumphries9444 without sheep NZ would be love sick baaa baaa

[@angebrowne1371]

Loved Aussie really wanted 2 have dual citizenship but no available then it is now dam? I love their humor they love KIWIS both colours... not like the racism here?👎🏽
I actually dislikke Kiwis here
Its like backwards here racist is worse than wen i left its really bad kiwis being racist in ur own country??
😢😢😢😢

[@gregmayo6987]

When is new zealand just gonna become a part of australia? 700000 kiwis in Australia already

[@MsHburnett]

Im in france the most liveable country in the world.

[@petercharles8306]

Except parts of Islamic France are very dangerous

[@Davemurray2880isaindian]

Bye

[@juliethompson110]

I'm pretty sure you leave FOR Australia....

[@darrenedwards-xb6ok]

I so want to listen to this interview but my days with Plunkett are over. Burnt bridges Sean, you should have known better.

[@TheMarathonomahos]

Victoria is so woke. Back in NZ for the last year, NZ isn't a patch of woke on Victoria

[@jonathanrait5790]

true but Victoria is a special case with that corrupt prick Dan Andrews, take Victoria out of it cause it's a complete lost cause the rest of Australia is in a far better state than NZ.

[@bobarmstrong4403]

WOKE: The universal outrage word for today's conservative. Who usually don't know the meaning of the word

[@johnrait4784]

@@bobarmstrong4403 take your woke attitude somewhere else, preferably Victoria

[@bobarmstrong4403]

@@johnrait4784 Its been said before.. Woke first meant someone aware of discrimination and racial prejudice:. Then it began to mean someone who was generally well informed. And now it is the outrage buzzword for anything a conservative doesnt like or doesnt understand

[@MartinCraig-zt2sv]

@@bobarmstrong4403 Everything I don't like is woke. Like cycle lanes and metric system and those cars with noisy stereograms, all woke

[@basilwatson1]

Hahaha Australia ..is even worse .. Victoria .. Melbourne... The brutality of the police ..... 😅. No thank you... Yes the feeling is better ..its easier to het ahead ...but there are better countries ...depends on your comfort zone

[@last_samurai6690]

There is more to Australia than Vic. As for other options yes but for most it is easier, visa wise at least

[@jaydoole3169]

Australian is charging. It won’t be the lucky country for much longer

[@CalTheKiwi1]

‘charging’ for what?

[@kathrynperry992]

You wish!,.😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅.

[@woodliceworm4565]

Mass immigration under open boarders Albo will turn Au into India in a few years if he's not stopped.

[@SunnySamuel-zo8jk]

Who the hell is ray avery never heard of him a nobody

[@gorgon4293]

Are you here just to proclaim your own ignorance? I suppose it saves other people having to do it for you.

[@SunnySamuel-zo8jk]

@@gorgon4293 sorry I hurt your feelings but I have no clue who your dad was

[@CalTheKiwi1]

Sunny, do some research. Too lazy?

[@paora7122]

Some people think he's a somebody. Others think he's a conman. Seems to invent health products which don't work that well or just takes money for things which never come to anything, like his lifepods.

[@SunnySamuel-zo8jk]

@@paora7122 Thanks for that paora I knew he was a nobody just a bloody Aussie now

[@realistically-r7g]

Unbelievable interviewing with your mouthful,crumbs on your lips,😳🤪

[@movieklump]

Woke is the most used word that nobody knows what means.

[@matthewviliamu2679]

lol this is a whole bunch of ideological bush*t. Rambles on about individuality. You can get that anywhere in a western democracy. If you feel like you can’t then that’s up to you and your feelings.

[@JohanThiart]

That was a good laugh. Expected Hell to be much hotter. NZ not totally munted! We are not there yet…. Vote labour.

[@splintmeow4723]

Right! NZ just needs to stop importing American culture, it will be absolutely fine 😂 absolutely no issue

[@vumba1331]

Yep, we need to vote labour so that it can be completely munted, good call.

[@SunnySamuel-zo8jk]

No matter who we vote for nz will still head down the drain

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@vumba1331 So correct - vote Labour the government who has all but taken away all our democratic rights and turned a first world country to third world one in just 4 years... correct if we give them any longer in power we will be an absolute right off...and even easier picking for a Chinese takeover.

[@valeriehughes1008]

Nothing remotely funny in your post... my fear is some idiots still vote Labour and unless we unite Labour may get a second chance and totally munt the country once and for good!

[@Anonymous-c4p]

Rats leaving the sinking ship will find the greener pastures disappointing.
The scramble back will be interesting 🤔

[@winstonsmithsoul]

If people are labelled and treated as “rats”, eventually they will leave. The ship is still sinking taking everybody down with it.

[@mattyallen3396]

What are you horis going to do when the free money runs out?

[@vumba1331]

Interesting, so maori who have moved to Australia and made a success of themselves are rats? Not sure that they would be happy being described that way.

[@jasperhorace7147]

I am the only one of my siblings left in New Zealand. One of my two children also lives there too. None of those people will ever return to NZ except for a holiday.

[@Anonymous-c4p]

​@@mattyallen3396well we got customary roits, which includes eating you!
✊🏽😜🤎

[@splintmeow4723]

There is nothing woke about being green. Do you like your native flora and fauna species? You know the ones that provide oxygen, an ecosystem, tourism, life, etc?

[@mikegalaxie2352]

Woke culture is about divide and rule, segregate and subjugate, controlling the narrative, is planting billions of one tree species good for the environment? hmmmmmm

[@vumba1331]

The greens in pRliament are not green, they're red and want absolute control over your life. NZ will never have a problem being green, plenty of bush and sea, the plankton in the sea feeds of the CO2 that is given off and if their contribution to the ecosystem was included in this green cycle, as it should, NZ would be well and truly net positive.
Having said that, this entire carbon thing is a wrought, and anybody who cannot see that is not thinking for themself.

[@mjanny6330]

What does that have to do with pumping taxpayer money into offshore "funds" for other countries?

[@Jay-oh1li]

Splint, I think you mean to say there's nothing woke about being an environmentalist. Being in a Green party, you would definitely be woke and you will favour Marxist ideology.

[@LaughableSynonyms]

Avoid Victoria, got it.