I had to take custody of my brothers kids each time his wife gave birth because she went into psychosis. She didn’t know who any of us were and she acted terrified of everyone including the children. Thankfully we were able to step in and help her get better. She’s an amazing mom and doesn’t remember a lot of it. I feel so horrible for these families that struggle with this.
Each time she had a kid? no offense to her but if she was psychotic with one why did she have more? most good practitioners recommend not having kids after psychosis.
I also heard that if you give birth once and suffer from postpartum depression and psychosis if you get pregnant and give birth again you will suffer again from it and it doesn’t get better. I also heard that it is even discouraged by doctors to have more children because of this danger
PPP Is something we don’t know too much about. Unfortunately, we lost my daughter-in-law in July 2022 due to postpartum depression. My grandson is now 10 months. His mama lost her life when he was 4 months. My son is raising his son alone. I help him as much as I can. Such a sad sad end for those precious angels. Rest In Peace babies!
No baby should have to lose it’s mother & no mother should lose their baby. That’s horrible & I’m sorry you’re going thru all of that. We really need to wake up as a society & start giving this issue more attention. This is totally preventable in most cases. But it even goes to show you that when you do everything “right” there can still be a bad outcome. Which is why we need to normalize this conversation & raise awareness. Doctors also need to be doing more to learn about PPD & PPP so that it can be better treated. I have a few friends who have gone thru this as well. It’s horrible. But if we don’t create a supportive environment for these woman & let them know that they’re not alone & that everything they’re feeling is normal & common… then we’re going to keep seeing things like your experience & this. It’s just a tragedy all around. Mental healthcare is so important. I really hope ppl will start paying more attention to this stuff & trying to understand what leads to this without being inconsiderate & disrespectful.
I am so, so sorry for your son, and your grandson 💕 I've struggled with depression my whole life, and was terrified of getting PPD/PPP. Thankfully mine didn't end up being too bad, and I thankfully never wanted to hurt my daughter. I did struggle with unaliving myself when she was small, but I know now, that is not an option. She's 10 and I can't imagine ever leaving her, I know I can't put that on her, but it was a struggle for a long time. Prayers and positive vibes for you, your son, and your grandson 💕
I so appreciated you saying "when she comes back to baseline, after being treated in the hospital, think what she has to face". I am a nurse and saw one truly psychotic PPD patient. It was so sad and scary
This story really hit home with me. I’m 60 years old now but back then, nobody talked about this. After I had my first child, a wave came over me in the hospital when we were dressing him to bring home. I remember thinking about smothering him as awful as that is to say. I’m just being honest. It lasted for over a year. During that year I became very paranoid that someone was going to take him. Just taking him in the driveway was hard. I remember my home felt different. The walls felt like they were closer than they were and the ceiling was close to my head. Nothing felt right. It was a mental hell and nobody around me understood. It was the worst experience of my life. I never hurt him and everything did finally level out but I can totally see how this can happen. I was scared to have a second child but we did and it was just fine. Totally different experience. I feel sick for this family 😢 today, we are a happy family of 4 thank God.🙏
wow! you are so strong! thank god you made it!!! and you went through it alone. i have no doubt that doctors werenot helping you at that time, you must have felt so lonely. it. is so hard to understand why they were not aware of mental health illnesses. even in the 90's they didn't know much!
I’m the same age as you and can confirm that when I had my son, there was no support, not from family or the professionals involved in the post partum process. It affected how I bonded with my son, and left me feeling very inadequate, spiralling into depression and despair. It took me about two years to find my role in being a mother.
I fully feel you. I am 54 and when I had my first child, that they had to pull out via suction bell, I was only 20 years of age, and nothing was know about ppd. But the shock from giving birth, paired with multiple complications, and the realization that it feels and looks nothing like in the movies was profound. Then we went home, and over the next few months I fell deeper and deeper into depression, without even knowing it. Suddenly, I was aware of my own mortality, of the enormous responsibility of caring for my son forever, and it just knocked me out. There was no literature then, no internet, and nobody I could turn to out of shame. It was a terrifying time, I felt very suicidal. It took several months to recover, it was a lonely time. I am grateful that nowadays this illness is brought to people's attention. I have prepared my own daughter for this, so that she doesn't put pressure on herself to bond quickly, or to function perfectly when she has her first child.
@@jessiebassil7887 I had my 1st child at 14. He had colic for the first six months and I had what I now know was ppd. No one talked about it back then. Most didn't even know what it was. I remember feeling so alone and scared. Of course being so young didn't help I'm sure. I went on to have 5 more children with no further problem's.
They were just little babies…. Paw patrol & Sofia the first 😢. They should be here right now, life is so unfair. The part in the father’s letter saying how Cora always said she wanted to be a doctor and a mommy!!! Broke my heart. What a tragic, tragic situation. This man lost everything within a night. The woman who he’d built this life with, the woman he loved for so long, the woman who gave life to their children… took it from them and changed theirs forever. PPP is seriously no joke… :(
My daughter had PPD with her first child, she was so lost, so scared, my baby was broken. It's a monumental task for a husband to go alone. This is how we got through it. We made a pact to never leave her alone with the baby until she was completely healed, never. There were 5 of us, made up of friends and family, we would stay with them in 24 hour shifts 7 days a week. We also asked for help with meals, and we ran errands for the family on our days off. We did this for almost a year, it was a life changing experience. If you have a friend or family member going through this please offer to help if you can, it's a lot to ask but your help can save a family, it's true it takes a village. My heart aches for everyone effected by this tragedy and the long difficult road ahead of them.
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You are a lifesaver and honestly this is how it should be handled. The only thing that helps is being there and being active. I had PPD after having my son, some of the darkest days ever. I was begging for help and no one except for my husband was there to support me. Sometimes all you can do is be there for the person to lean on you. You did good, mama!
After delivering my twin daughters, I remember the nurses informing me about the warning signs of PPD. I laughed, thinking, how in the world would I ever be depressed after having our twins that my husband and I tried so hard to have? It was within a week that PPD came for me. I felt withdrawn, anxious, sad, easy to upset, with random crying fits and feeling like my daughters were better without me. Thankfully, my mom and husband saw the changes and immediately contacted my OB. I am beyond thankful for those who looked out for me and for my courage to share my feelings with my doctor and family. The first three months of our twins' lives were a blur, and I wish so much I could have been present to keepsake those memories without wondering what I was thinking when looking at pictures. Since then, I have been on and off and on again with depression and anxiety medications. Especially after my mom's cancer metastasized, her death, and a car accident a few years ago. I'm happy to say that I am back in school to achieve my bachelor's degree in Psychology with the hope of helping others. If you need help, be brave and ask for assistance. You are loved. Your light and love are needed. 💚🌟
This is such a sad sad story my heart goes out to the father and innocent babies. for the mother I think she need to go to a mental hospital for a while and then do some time in prison for what she done to those babies. I’m sorry but she don’t get no pass from me you do the crime you do the time.
Your story is so much like mine. I am still on antidepressants and it’s been 10 years since my second baby. My first was the worst my poor husband was so helpless he had no idea how to help me. I contacted my dr and he immediately sent me a rx he sent a breast feeding nurse to help me because that was something that was feeding the problem and he told me “if it doesn’t happen it doesn’t happen you are normal!” He was the best I was so lucky. My second child I was prepared but if still came hard. It took several different medications to make me feel better but with his help we got it but it never went away so I still take my medication and I have come to understand that it is ok I am not less for having to take it. It keeps me happy so I can be the mom and wife that I want to be. I wish there wasn’t a so much stigma around this. Women need to know it doesn’t make them less than. I pray for everyone fighting this battle and just say please don’t be afraid or ashamed to get help!
@@Crissy529 Thank you for sharing your story. I'm thankful that you were able to receive the help you needed. I'm so proud of how strong you are! Sending tons of love and virtual hugs.
I was diagnosed with PPD and it was hell. My daughter in law was diagnosed with PPP and it was very hard on the family and her. These are REAL hormonal episodes that can’t be left untreated, in hopes it will go away. Please. To anyone out there who is feeling overwhelmed and “not quite yourself”, and recently gave birth~reach out. You don’t have to suffer and this won’t go away. *big hugs* to all of you.
Mental illness is a very difficult battle. I speak as a mother, whose daughter struggled with mental illness her entire life. We tried everything, but sometimes nothing works. After her suicide, I came to terms with her mental illness, and have a much different perspective than I did before. Mental illness is like a cancer of the self (soul). It eats away at the person,metastasizing throughout their life. My heart goes out to this family and all who struggle with mental illness.
@@TheNewsAnchorYouTrust I agree! He had a mental illness and he's the devil. Yet, She gets sympathy for well-planned murders of her own innocent babies. If he's the devil so is she 🤷🏽♀️
I had severe PPD after having my first son. I was 18 and I had no idea what was happening to me. By the grace of God I got through it with the help of my mother and a good therapist. My heart goes out to her husband and family
I was 19 and I had it severe. I had no help. My mom used it to her advantage and took my kid from me. 😡 You're very lucky you had a momma who loved you and helped you ❤️🥰
@@KayXoXo4 I am so sorry that you had to go through that with no help. I can't even imagine the pain, confusion and everything else you felt. I hope you were able to have a happy life with your son after you were stronger. You should be so proud because you absolutely deserve it. I know I was very blessed to have the support of my family
yes, the worst crimes are against children because they are innocent and defenseless. Too much focus spent on the perp not enough on the children who are victims of this "mom". It was an act of pure evil.
Postpartum psychosis is not an excuse, like Christina said it’s a serious and emergency illness. The person suffering from this cannot make the difference between reality and hallucinations! They don’t see their kids, they see demons (for example), it’s very alike schizophrenia.
@@miriam100ful I don't feel she's evil. I feel she snapped. I struggle with mental health issues myself and I'm a mother. I once called the police on MYSELF because I had a breakdown.
@@miriam100ful it’s clear you don’t understand mental illness so consider yourself lucky instead of passing shame to those who are victims of their own selfs. I suffered with severe ppd and it was literal hell. I wouldn’t wish it on my own enemy.
10 to life did a video on this case yesterday she shared her own personal story dealing with PPD and I encourage everyone to watch it bc it gives you a little perspective of how serious it really is . Thank you for covering this PPD is so stigmatized and they want women to reach out for help but like Lindsey was trying she tried to go full time inpatient but her insurance wouldn’t cover it and it can be costly like 30k or more a month so she wants denied that .. the system wants us to fail my heart breaks for this family the father lost everything and the poor mother will have to live with what she did for the rest of her life she doesn’t deserve murder charges she deserves the help she was desperately seeking. Thank you again for bringing light PPD. ❤
I wonder if Darlie Routier were to turn around and say, "I now know that I was suffering from PPP! I was too ashamed to admit it and what I had done, but now I see the error of my ways!" if everybody would forgive her? Annie detests her! Darlie *was* the "pefect mother", and she was being treated for Post Partum Depression. If she'd dropped the knife right there and confesed the truth in the spot, NOBODY would have had any sympathy for her, she just would have been jailed that instant. Shame can plunge people into denial. I still think she's where she needs to be, but I also see a lot of parallels.
Postpartum depression is the devil! I never thought it was real until I had it with my only child!! It was awful! I remember calling my mom at 3 am and telling her if she didn’t come to get him I didn’t know what I would do. Literally crying writing that! IT’S SO REAL! Please seek help or reach out if you think you have it. It doesn’t last forever!
God bless you! Thank you for reaching out to your mother! I'm sure that wasn't easy as a new mommy! You're super strong! God loves you! So does your boy! 💜
Indeed it is,this illness has satan & his demons written all over it! The enemy comes in various forms guys, but his goal remains the same, to steal kill & destroy! Prayers for all those affected.
Stop making excuses, modern day feminism has ruined women. She killed her kids and planned it out. She planned her defense weeks in advance. She’s a monster and so are you if you think she should be kept alive
I work in inpatient psych and you are correct. The hardest part is seeing them pick up the pieces after they come out of psychosis and realize what they have done and the consequences they have to face.
I've been there. Thank God I've never done anything criminal but I've done other stupid, crazy stuff and yes you have to pick up the broken pieces when you come back to reality.
Christina, I knew Lindsay from a local moms support group. (I am just south of Boston). I suffered PPD and was lucky enough to beat my demons. Lindsay was in outpatient therapy 3-5x a week and had BEGGED for inpatient help, but was denied. Her doctors need to be held accountable.
Im glad you are doing better now and I completely agree. Accountability falls on the system here..... she knew things weren't okay and asked for the help we are all encouraged to ask for only to be denied. Obviously nobody could have expected something like this to happen but that is the exact problem. This could happen to any one of us mamas and it needs to be treated as serious as that.
Yeah. Her doctors or insurance company whoever had the final say in declining her the inpatient care she wanted needs to be held accountable definitely. That is the only way things will change is if these companies and hospitals are held accountable.
I am very happy you fought hard and won, but her doctors are not responsible for her actions; she is. I have compassion on her, and the many women who suffer from the horrible hormonal changes after delivery, but most do not murder their children. She did. She murdered her children. Ppp is very different to ppd... What about the fathers who murder their children due to psychosis, is it the doctors fault there as well? Is there a difference? Why are some people given compassion while others are not? Maybe I just don't understand why some kill and others do not. I do agree our medical system is broken as well as insurance rules the world, but we cannot blame others for our actions. We have no idea how they were treating her. They have nothing to do with insurance accepting and denying cases; they have no authority there other than writing the insurance company stating its medically necessary, and even still they can reject the claim. Insurance rules the world...they dictate the care patients get ..
I'm a nurse and having worked in mental health, I've seen postpartum depression and psychosis first hand. The best way I can think of to describe it is literally like a a short circuit in the brain that causes a switch to flip. If you take all the pride and the intensity with which a mother loves her children, under normal circumstances and it suddenly gets flipped upside down. That same sweet loving mother who loved her children with such intensity, now hates, loathes and sometimes even irrationally fears and sees them as evil, with all the same intensity that she once loved them. There are those cases too, where the weight of depression is too much to bear and a mother becomes suicidal and she feels like she has to take the children with her to save them. It's a horrible tragedy and my heart goes out to the dad and all their families.
As RMN I agree and will add to the original poster comment that we all walk a very thin line between sanity and insanity. My reason for going into mental health was my father mental breakdown - he became nearly evil - however with the right treatment and support . He was able to rationalise his own thoughts and feeling and see how they didn't match . It took a long time for him to recover from his psychosis. And being frank he was always vulnerable to it .
Having gone through this myself, you have described it so accurately. It is so frightening being the person trapped in a body with a brain that is not working properly. I never wish ppd or ppp on my worst of enemies, it is not something anyone wants to go through.
I myself suffered from postpartum depression and it’s really no joke. I never thought about harming my child, but for a brief time I wouldn’t touch my son to feed him or anything. I thought that I would hurt him or do something wrong. I am forever grateful for the support system I had. My mother my sister and my husband at the times family. I will forever be grateful and indebted to them. I cried uncontrollably and slept a lot and didn’t take care of myself at all. I feel for these mothers. I just thank God every day that I did not end up on the psychosis end of it. Much love to the father of these babies. It is he who suffers more than the children in this situation. They are now in the arms of Jesus.
I am so sorry for what you went through. I myself have suffered through postpartum never psychosis . I am grateful that u are well and healed. But in all honesty this is a case about premeditated murder. She planned these murders for a long time. First thing they do is hire a high-priced attorney. I feel so sad for her husband and those poor babies. NOT her. Too bad she didn't have the support system you had or else those babies might still be alive. A lot of people with mental illnesses kill and get no sympathy. Neither should she imo.
Michelle although I understand what you are saying and she should absolutely have to answer for her actions, she should have never been left alone with those children. People knew that she was experiencing psychosis and still allowed her to be alone with the children. Ughhh. I do feel for the father because being the only other caretaker it’s hard. I know I am basically the only caretaker in my household of four children. She will answer to the justice system and to her higher power when she gets there. I feel for the moms who actually acknowledge their problem and don’t put their children in harms way.
As someone who grew up with a mom with schizophrenia, I had front row seats to a shit show. I've seen things no kid should ever see.... Mental illness is one of the worst kind because its hard to treat. It's an illness u can't really see or understand unless you have it. It's truly scary and terrifying to see and hear terrifying things. I stand by Lindsay. To those who suffer with mental illness, I hope u have love and support. God bless ♥
I had my son in 1999. I had PPD and psychosis. One of my delusions was that the apocalypse was here. I'd hide in a closet, sobbing while holding my baby. It was horrible and I was losing my mind. I am thankful we are talking about this now. I am so sorry for what happened to the mama and kids in this family. This is devastating.
@TrailerTrashBarbie No, I have never told anyone this about what happened to me after my son was born. I was scared to tell anyone. I was afraid they'd put me in the mental hospital.
Wow, the husband’s letter was amazing. It’s shocking that he was able to really relive all of those precious moments on paper so soon after this horrific incident. It made me cry but that’s because I could feel each child’s personality as they were described. This whole story is absolutely devastating and he has lost his whole world. He has handled this situation with such grace and love. I hope the medical and the legal system as well, will take this example seriously and use the media as a tool to make people understand PPD is a real thing and the woman is not just a being “hormonal”…and not “try” her case in the media. I pray for the husband, wife and all of the emergency responders…just devastating. 🙏
He’s trying to raise money for her defense lawyer, as disgusting as that is. He is going to use donations for the kids funeral to defend her. That’s terrifying
@@jaslegume and who are you to say what she deserves? She was obviously sea king for help that she never received. If you have nothing nice to say then please don’t say anything. This family suffered already too much.
@@nickgray6305 why is that disgusting? Obviously he loves his wife and knows what mental illness does to a person!! I can bet a million bucks if she didn’t have a mental illness this would have never happened!! I cant stand when people are one sided and dont truly understand the situation!!! Glad u r not on the jury because your mind is already made up without hearing all the facts!! Good grief!!
This happened to me when I had my son. I couldn’t understand why I was having these dark thoughts, feelings of regret, wasn’t connected to my son. I was so scared to tell my doctor, in fear he would be taken. This is a real thing. It is very hard to understand if you haven’t went through it. I hope the family finds healing
This one has me in tears. When I was in the Army, I was a medic. I got the opportunity to work with the paramedics on post for a while. The last few shifts were probably the most "exciting" I had. One of them included a mother of 5 and her husband was deployed. Her friend and neighbor had called us to come out due to threats of self harm and harm to the children. Long story short: this call took 2 hours. My partner wanted to leave because the woman didn't want to go. She was worried about her children being taken away. I told him to let me talk to her mom to mom. I finally convinced her it was best to let us take her to the hospital and her friend care for her kids. I saw her a few months later and she was sooooooooo much better. She looked like a different person. Y'all, it's okay to ask for help. It's okay to step away for a bit and let others step in. It's better for your kids and for you.
The thing is she asked for help. She was in an outpatient program for it, but she tried to go into inpatient and her insurance wouldn't cover it. It hits close to home for me because i had PPD with my second son and it was scary. I was very detached & thankfully i got through it within a couple of months. Praying for all the moms out there going through it. You're not alone.
Just proof that mental health needs to be covered in general in this country. So stupid that they denied her help she needed but they want to lock her away since she couldn’t handle it anymore.
@Gabe’s Mom yes something bcuz what else could she have possibly done to get help? Not much Is out there for us moms struggling with ppd & ppp. It’s a messed up situation to be in.
My heart is broken for this Momma. I can't even imagine her pain when she came back to reality and realized what she had done. 💔 My heart is going out to this family.
Looking at all these personal stories is so hard but I'm glad we are still all here to share our experiences. I swear I don't care who it is if I ever saw a mother struggling I'm coming to help. I went through PPD with my son's and as a woman I thought my own mother would aid me and she was in *snap out of it mode* she told me she hadn't slept well the night before and she wouldn't be able to come get the kids. I had watched my dad's dog when he went out of town and he came by to pick her up and he wouldn't leave...he told me to go ahead upstairs and get in some water he said my underarms smelled like chicken noodle soup 🥲🤣🤣I stayed in that shower until the water was cold and I cried and cried and cried and when I got out the shower he had the kids in order and had ordered pizza and wings. I remember just sitting next to him and putting my head on his shoulder and it still felt just as huge as it did when I was like 7. He told us stories about him growing up in Memphis and his time in the air force and God it was such a moment of exhale. The next morning we had our discussion about where to go from here and 9 years later that man will come running for me and his grandkids come hell or high water. I can't thank him enough. I am so proud of everyone here in this comment section and I pray that we all go on to live happy healthy long lives as well as our children. This comment section feels like a cyber safe space and I'm here for it❤️ poor poor Clancy family. I will definitely say a prayer.
So glad your father stepped up to the plate and was there to give you the break you needed and tend to your children so you could take a long shower and just step down.. what a great man! 💗
My son lives down the street from this family and so many people think so bad of her!! She was in a psychosis that she couldn’t get out of. She was on so much medication! Keep her and her husband in your prayers because I do!!
That’s what I was thinking. It’s sad how the medical industry doesn’t treat the dietary needs a woman’s body needs after having a baby but just dumps a bunch of medication at us. This is truly so sad and tragic.
She murdered THREE babies. Of course a murderer is viewed "badly." Interesting to me is the empathy toward this woman's criminal acts when many, many murderers claim mental health issues.
@@elliedaniels2245 She and her husband are very nice looking people and live in a really nice home. Somehow her mental illness has generated tons of sympathy even though she actually murdered her three children.
I am so torn here. As a man that has 4 children and I am bipolar. I am so conflicted. Of course the babies. But when I was with my old gf she gave me a lot of information about PPD. Knowing what it’s like to have a mental illness where there are times I don’t want to be here. I just don’t know. I would never harm my kids. They’re honestly the only thing that keeps me living and working. I wouldn’t be here without them. But I don’t know if I can judge her. I’ve done things I’m not proud of it. Definitely not to that extent. However, I do know what it is like not to have your own thoughts. It’s been terrible lately. Seeing your spirit in your videos and how energetic you are has helped lift my spirits tbh. Even when the videos are devastating. To my point. I’ve never had or carried a baby. I’ve helped make babies. I sympathize with mothers everywhere, especially ones with PPD. This is extremely heartbreaking. I’m not a crier but I’m fighting every tear right now. I just pray for everyone involved. All the loved ones. Even the mother. And Bless the souls of those beautiful babies in the name of Yeshua! My heart hurts.💔🙏🏽💙
I think the difference is the psychosis. I’ve had PPD and only wanted to harm myself but also have family who have psychosis due to schizophrenia and they are completely out of reality. Full on hallucinations and it is completely different. Even as someone who has had PPD I’m still thinking How? So heartbreaking
It’s difficult to imagine hurting your children, until you understand the definition of the words “delusion” “hallucination” “psychosis”. There are no human impulses that can stop a person in these situation.
She could have gone to stay with a relative or friend while they figured out additional treatment. She also WAITED for her husband to leave to k*ll her kids. I have zero sympathy
@@Maya-Hayden I’m bipolar. I have a lot of impulses so trust me I know. That’s why I feel for both sides. I’ve just had my impulses on harming myself or saying things I don’t mean. It tore my relationship apart because they’re not my own thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with it is I disappear for days. Along with having ptsd, childhood trauma, and a lot health problems. Mine have always been words which hurt too. Not to give my whole life story. But I’m conflicted so I can’t judge her or I’d have to judge myself too. I’ve been having paranoia and hallucinations over the last year. It hurts way more than physical. My whole body is tatted and it didn’t hurt. Especially not like this.
@@tineshavallejo9324 Yeah that’s exactly what I’m thinking. I also have family members who are schizophrenic. The one who’s still alive has been in a mental institution for years. Maybe even before I was born. Hers came from trauma. I think it’s time for me to ask questions like what did she do. I know how the trauma got there but why did they come to the conclusion she couldn’t be free? Did she harm someone else? I have so many questions about this. And the person who knows the most has dementia.🤦🏽♂️
I’ve never been this early and I’m not disappointed!! I’m a newer content creator started with prison content and watching other’s success is so encouraging for me. Reminds me to KEEP GOING even on hard days. Thank you for helping pave the way ❤🎉❤
Suddenly I’m transported 23 years to when I was suffering from PPD. It’s amazing how even now I can still feel those feelings. This made me sob. Thankfully I was able to get treatment and it worked. I was fine after the birth of my first, but the second sent me in a spiral. It’s such a tragedy and I feel for everyone. There are no words.
i’m so sorry you went through that. I have one child, and am pregnant with my 2nd. I’m so scared of PPD happening to me, because i already have anxiety and depression. I guess i can only pray 🙏 ❤
I had post partum depression after having my one and only child 16 years ago. I was a completely different person and not myself. I was scared of my child and of myself. It took me many months to get through it and it made me never ever try to have another child. My son is my whole world and we are so close and I thank God and my mom for helping me get through it. This story breaks my heart.
Same with my first baby when I was 30. With my second pregnancy, I knew sleep and support were absolutely critical and for me, so was anti-anxiety medication. My second baby’s first 6 months were much smoother, but only because I knew what I needed to get through that tough post-partum phase. I did notice with my severe (nearly suicidal PPD) with my first baby, people were very uncomfortable with my struggle. It was very taboo to discuss. Thank God my family saw it different and helped me through it all. PPD absolutely needs to be talked about.
I had PPD, 29 years ago. I was afraid to tell anyone,I was afraid someone would take my baby from me,it’s weird thinking, it is Hard. I thank the Lord it cleared up by itself. I stand for Lindsay
That’s actually a really good point and I don’t think I’ve heard anyone mentioning that before…men suffering from it. But now that it’s beginning to get more attention, I hope they look into the likelihood of men having it as well and resources for the families dealing with it. I had it with 2 out of my 4 kids and it’s the scariest thing
I had postpartum depression after having my daughter. I damn near screamed when I had a random thought to hurt her. I immediately called my mother-in-law, who was instantly there with me and had me call my doctor. 5 years later, I'm about to give birth again and this time I'm already in therapy and on medication for my existing mental illnesses. I'm hoping it helps more, because I love my babies and I can't imagine them not being here with me. ❤️
I live in MA. She was on 12 medications. Her husband spoke to her doctors begging for help. He said they were turning her into a zombie. This family was failed in so many ways. As someone who suffers chronic physical illness I can honestly say it’s the ENTIRE medical community that is in shambles. This poor woman is going to have to live with this and her and her husband did everything they could. This whole thing is so awful😢
12 medications? As a long time psych nurse in a state psych hospital. I can’t recall anyone in the entire facility being on 12 meds. And we have the sickest of the sick.
@@stephanied9629 I’m part of plenty mental health groups on Facebook Often, there will be a post asking what meds everyone takes. Never EVER have I seen anyone post anywhere near 12!
Maybe rather than her being on 12 different meds at once, the OP means she had tried 12 different medications? (Or that’s what the original source of the info meant and someone has misinterpreted) I’m not a mental health professional by any means so @Stephanie D may be able to offer more insight, but I believe it’s fairly common to try a number of different medications or combinations of medications before finding the right one. I’m speculating but from all sources it seems as though she and her husband were pretty switched on about getting treatment and support for the PPD. Given her husband mentioned her rapidly deteriorating in his statement, I’m guessing her PPD was resistant to treatment (and she may have been frequently manifesting new symptoms which required different or new meds) which could explain why she had been trialing so many different medications (presumably over a period of months leading up to the incident).
I’ve been on 10 medications at once as a child, but couldn’t imagine being on 12 if I had kids. I’m currently on 4 medications, excluding birth control, because I don’t really count it as it’s to regulate my cycle mostly, but tapering off of one non-stimulant ADHD medication currently because it isn’t needed and my psychiatrist agrees. It’s thankfully going very well. (I’m 25 and have never had children, but want to have one, then adopt one someday because I’m adopted.) I’m sometimes worried about it because I already have Borderline Personality Disorder, but get along great with children because I love their random questions and zest for life.
Only half way through the video, but I have to write this down before I forget. I heard somewhere that there are people out there who want to hold the dad responsible and for him to be prosecuted. That makes my blood boil. Poor man was already doing everything he possibly could, none of this is his fault. He did more than most would have been able to. Nothing, NOTHING he did contributed to this tragedy 💔💔💔
That is the thing , men are held to no standards. So because he stayed home does that make him a good dad. Honestly, giving birth is all women and I don't understand why women would go through that burden. The woman give birth and the man take care of the kids and everything, that is how it should be.
The internet brings out the worst in people at times. No one has the right to judge what they know nothing about. They should be grateful they are not going through this.
I live about 35 miles from Duxbury and I can tell you that everyone in this region is shocked and saddened by this tragedy. I've seen social media posts from people that know this family, saying that these are good people, a beautiful family and that Lindsay is a wonderful Mom. God bless Cora, Dawson, Callan, Patrick and Lindsay.
@@Ashley1212 I can't imagine how Lindsay will come back from this. I pray that she and Patrick can eventually find peace. This is so sad on so many levels. 😞
@@CBrown86 Lindsay has Post Partum Psychosis. It's caused by massive changes in hormone levels before, during and after pregnancy. Lindsay is very mentally ill and was trying to get better, she's not in her right mind. Judge not lest ye be judged.
I suffered post-partum psychosis, thankfully I also had a very understanding husband and helped me get the help I needed. I spent time in a mental health ward getting better. My little girl is almost 4 and I've never had a better relationship with her. I can't imagine how life would have ended if I had of smothered her like the voices in my head were telling me to do! My husband was honestly our saviour
May I ask a question ? Would you had known to wait until your spouse left and you were alone with the children before harming them? Or was this something you were unable to even differentiate ?
@@cerealrakist7360 If I draw on my own small experience it may have been simply the fact that she was left alone with them (it didn't matter how long... she probably didn't even know how long he would be because she was not with it) so she became absolutely panicked about being solely responsible for them... was completely overwhelmed by the pressure she felt, the fear and panic of being alone with them all needing care at the same time... it could've easily triggered a psychotic episode.
@@nicolajeffrey1831 wouldnt it make more sense to give ur babies up for adoption then? like letting urself even have a chance to kill them, u should be willing to give them to someone that can care for them if u cant. 🤦🏼♀️
@@trailertrish she probably never thought there was a chance she could ever kill them! when your brain is working against you using all cannons, it can be an actually impossible battle. like your brain is all you have to process your existence with. your brain can turn YOU, who you are at your very core, off in an instant.
She planned it so well she accomplished her goal in 25 minutes. Jumping out of a 2nd story from a house isn't a serious attempt to end one's life ; unless there was a rope around her neck too. If she'd have been a single mother struggling to take care of three kids by working a minimum wage job & living in a trailer park she'd have gotten no pity or understanding. I feel pity for Andrea Yates but not this person.
This is so incredibly sad. Thank you for your respectful discussion about this issue, Christina. I know many people are rightfully upset and many may be angry with the mother. I hope they understand just how awful postpartum depression and psychosis is. Women who experience this are not monsters. They are incredibly sick and need help. This is such a tragedy all around. RIP to those sweet babies.
This story is heartbreaking. And nursing is such a hard career. I remember at 22, had my son and single. Once home alone, I’d awaken afraid, this tiny human, right beside me. I felt afraid it was a monster or an evil being. And honestly I just lived thru it. I think moms need more help and loving people all around and families, yes, healthy families that you’d want around. My heart is breaking for this family. For her.
Sounds like we went through a very similar situation. I, like you, just got through it on my own. I was too afraid to admit to anyone how I was feeling. I remember being terrified I would hurt my son. The closest I ever came to telling anyone how I felt is when I told my mother I was terrified something would happen to my baby. Just talking to her about my paranoia helped and after a few months I came out of the weird paranoid psychosis I was in. I went on to have two more children with no problems thank God but with both pregnancies I was absolutely terrified I would experience it again. So glad you came through it okay too!
@@leelee6360 I was never going to hurt my baby. What would happen with me is that at night, or in any sleep, feeling him move or breath would frighten me. And being that it’s an infant and not talking, and I’m all alone, I’d be afraid of this entity. I’d be absolutely frozen in fear. It’s so hard to explain. All I know is I’m not meant to be left alone with a brand new baby. I needed someone with me for support.
I never understood why childcare was attached to mothers only,when she didn't make the baby by herself, America seems to be a technological advanced country,but very very backwards all at the same time. Fathers should be there as much as the mothers, you both are responsible for the baby
I’m a birth care worker and have worked with many moms suffering from postpartum psychosis. It’s so terrifying and is so often overlooked in it’s severity due to shame and stigma. It’s far more common and far less spoken of than we’d believe. Love to All.
This is beyond sad. I suffered with ppd with my youngest and felt so guilty for all of the things I was feeling. I had severe anxiety, depression and thoughts I had never felt before. Sadly I found that no matter what mental health professional I talked to, what medication I took… none of it helped not even in the slightest way. It wasn’t until I had hit rock bottom and looked at myself in the mirror and saw what to me looked like a zombie did I recognize that I was not myself and no one was going to show up and save me. With the grace of God I was slowly able to move myself out of the depression and start recognizing those things as symptoms of ppd instead of true feelings. Unfortunately not everyone has that moment of recognition and I can’t imagine where I would be if I hadn’t. As much as we want to blame someone as much as we want to be angry for what she’s done, our bodies our minds sometimes just take over and it’s out of control😢
@@cerseyxo9323 yes I’m my case out of control just didn’t feel like I was explaining it enough. I felt severe rage at absolutely nothing. My heart would beat fast and I was seeing lawn gnomes in the corner of my kids bedrooms just standing there watching me. My immune system was so low I kept getting sick with constant colds and I would go weeks not washing my hair or putting on deodorant and not even realize it!!! I am a hygiene freak so I was seriously just gone my mind my mental was totally off. It’s so scary and lonely 😩
But yet she could send her husband on an elaborate errand calling the CVS and restaurant and checking apple maps … sounds like she was well grounded on planet earth
I had postpartum psychosis after my second. I was on my hands and knees at 3 am trying to clean up water that was flooding my apartment. I called up my mom to come over and help in a total panic while the kids slept. There was no water, no flood, and I was using my unfolded laundry as towels. I still in my memory can SEE the water. I've hallucinated on hallucinogens, this was not like that. In my mind it was so real, and felt so normal. I ended up going for an intensive 3 month treatment. I'm still on my meds, still in therapy, and the boys are thriving. You have to make sure people are looking out for you after you do have a baby. Get help if you can't get back to feeling normal. We need to educate pregnant wome as well when it comes to all the hormone changes, and what that can look like. I actually was totally unaware this was even a possibility, and had to learn all about it the hard way. No one told me I would have the weird thoughts, and bizarre dreams about throwing my baby down a flight of stairs. Or that what did happen to me could. Or that its even normal to have thoughts like that. I also think we need to maybe look at postpartum for what it is, and what it said in the video, a medical emergency! It's literally a hormone issue to begin with, and the side effect is mental illness. ☹ So so sad.
Although not the same as having an infant but ppl also need to be made aware & properly prepared for the possibility of severe changes after having full hysterectomies bc they too can cause similar outcomes, it’s all hormone related changes some far worse than others & can happen very suddenly & without warning & never goes away! It’s scary & sad to think about what so many women endured so long ago when this topic wasn’t up for discussion!
I work in behavioral health and while I have never dealt with others going through PPP, I have had clients who suffered from schizophrenia and psychosis. It truly is scary when they are having episodes. Even with the same person, each episode differs. I had PPD with my now 6 year old, and it was awful! I remember telling the doctor my child needed an exorcism and just started crying uncontrollably. I was diagnosed that day as well as my daughter with colic. Luckily, I had a lot of support, and after watching this- I’m grateful is was only PPD and not PPP
This case really infuriates me. Especially as someone who has suffered from PPD and postpartum psychosis. So I feel like I can speak on this. This video is a few months old so there is a few pieces of information missing that could just be from the timeline, but, this was planned by her. She sent her husband out specifically to get food, and days before in her search history she had looked up “how long it takes to strangle someone”. Postpartum psychosis DOES NOT cause this. When you are in an episode; you have a voice telling you not to listen to the voices. An episode will not last days or weeks where you don’t understand for that huge length of time what is right vs what is wrong. Also, at any point during these murders, she could have stopped. She murdered 3 times, over and over. She could have stopped. She was also quoted saying “I can always have more babies.” People need to stop excusing murderers for mental illness. Also, when you are in a psychosis episode; you are not yourself. Her husband was aware of her condition and knew the signs. She would have had to consciously “act” normal while asking him to run out and get food....while planning what would happen next. Her husband is also quoted saying at that time she was getting better at that point in time - which is why he felt comfortable leaving to go to the store. I know that no one wants to think she was capable of this, but she needs to be held accountable. Period. RIP to these beautiful babies.
It’s going to be so sad for Lyndsey when she comes round. I feel so sad for everyone involved. It’s the system that failed her. Health insurance companies really need to rethink how they treat women who suffer from this.
Not just this. Everything. Ur doctor could recommend that u need a med or treatment, whatever… and if the health insurance company thinks it’s not necessary….. u won’t be covered. We need to get rid of health insurance. Remember when the government imposed a fine on people who didn’t have it
It's so sad because in other countries, women are catered to after having the baby here in America, be damned if you get help. Then when something like this absolutely heartbreaking happens..noone has nothing to say, this could have been prevented, doctors, etc could of go this woman. My heart goes out to the families and those angels in heaven.
I really blame the mental healthcare system in this country. As someone whose brother suffered psychosis, we received barely any help, even when he was becoming visibly aggressive. We were told he could not be committed unless he actually became aggressive, so we were essentially waiting for it to happen. When he finally got committed, he was released 2 weeks later and still in psychosis. Situations like these are devasting and are a sign something needs to change!
I suffered with severe PPD and I had disturbing and intrusive thoughts. I thought I was the only one to ever suffer from this and I have stayed silent about how I felt for 20 years. This case is so sad!
Devastating case. The dad's statement, just wow. You can just feel how much he loved and adored his children and wife. How does anyone move forward from that? There are so many ignorant people where mental illness is concerned, I've read so many comments on this and other similar cases where people talk about how it's just an excuse and you're responsible for your actions. People who are in the throws of a psychosis have no idea what they're doing, that's what makes it so terrifying. My mother used to suffer with severe mental health issues and often had thoughts of hurting me, but ultimately ended up taking her own life. I think people really need to educate themselves before being so opinionated on a topic they clearly know nothing about.
This case helped me get a diagnosis for postpartum OCD. The intrusive thoughts make you feel so crazy, I just can’t imagine what the psychosis does to you. I feel horrible for these women. My twins are 10 months now and I only just started to be able to really enjoy being their mother bc of the anxiety medication I was given. I truly see now how big of a blessing motherhood is. Thinking of being the reason that they are gone or that it’s all over, I don’t think there’s coping after that. I just hope she is deemed insane. I wish we had some kind of reform treatment for cases like this.
Women who have low progesterone can have PMDD, severe depression. Using bio identical progesterone, after being tested at different times, can help 🙏🙏🙏 Several vehicles? Of using progestrrone. Not progestin
I bawled as you were reading what the husband wrote after everything... It's honestly so freaking crazy how fast your life can change in twenty five minutes.
@@lisadawnrussell because they’re ill! As much as people want to vilify others who do things like this there’s a simple answer in some cases - mental illness. It’s not a get out clause or excuse. People suffering mental health issues can do things completely out of character. Do some research. It’s not all down to “evil people” doing “evil things”. Sometimes it’s mental health problems which in this case she was clearly suffering from. A friend of mine suffered postpartum psychosis and was convinced someone was going to poison her baby so she had to kill the baby first. Thankfully she got treatment before she acted on those thoughts. It could’ve turned out horrendously.
It’s ridiculous & unfair that you feel that you may have to edit yourself when you say the words “postpartum depression” or “postpartum psychosis” because who knows how RUclips will react to those words. Thank you for covering this story & helping to spread awareness
Thank you Christina for sharing in it’s entirety such a moving statement from this broken hearted dad and husband, I pray that they will some day find peace!
This breaks my heart bc I suffered from PPD and anxiety after my son was born. I had bizarre thoughts that I was embarrassed to admit for 6 months. We knew I was high risk bc I suffered from clinical depression when I was 17. My mom also had PPD after at least my 5th sister. I recognized it for what it was and my Dr and I already had set check in dates. I got treatment quickly and resolved quickly. This poor momma will live with this for the rest of her life. She tried everything. She TRIED to be committed but she was TURN DOWN BC OF INSURANCE!!!! Heart breaking for everyone. Prayers for both mom and dad
This case is so tragic 😥 I know she was going to outpatient therapy. She wanted to do inpatient therapy but insurance wouldn't pay for it and they couldn't afford it. I feel insurance should cover these things. I wish they could have put a go fund me together before to try and raise funds for the inpatient. Such a heartbreaking case and I'm praying for everyone involved including Lindsey. 🙏 ❤️
Unless you’ve been through this, you will never understand it. I turned into what I can only describe as a monster. I carry a lot of shame and guilt for the way I behaved whilst understanding I wasn’t myself and couldn’t control it. This whole case is devastating. Thoughts and love go out to them all. I sobbed my heart out listening to what the husband/dad said, very sad.
Please let go of the guilt. You were not responsible or able to reason your brain chemistry out of the dysfunction. This horrible time gave you understanding and compassion for others facing the same situation. You may be able to help someone else with your experiences. That is very healing in itself. Big hugs to you momma!
She's an evil pos. I assure u that most lunatics have mental health issues but when they decide to kill, especially their own kids, they are an evil pos, and none of them deserve sympathy. Good to know u weirdos think it's ok for an evil pos to annihilate her kids bcuz she's depressed lol. U couldn't make this shyt up if u wanted to 😂😂😂
Totally agreed with Christi. Please, do Your best to get rid of that guilt. Turn that minus to plus. Everyone deserves love and happiness unconditionally. You did Your best at a time. So so many of us go through mental health issues. You are not alone in this.
The greatest kindness the world could show Lindsey, is letting her pass away if she truly is in severe condition from her injuries. As a mama who had awful postpartum anxiety, I can only imagine how awful postpartum psychosis is. What I know is, when or if she comes back to her old self, she will never be able to move forward. She and her family will re-experience the trauma and suffering over and over. Prayers to them all for peace
I had postpartum depression after my second. It was so horrible. My husband had to go to work because we couldn’t afford for him not to. I would beg him to stay home because I was so scared of what I might do. I honestly at the time just wanted to give my kids to my mom or just run away. I would snap at my kids and then feel tremendously guilty afterwards and would lock myself in a bathroom and cry. Luckily, 15 months later, my 3yo and 15mo old are thriving and I’m in a good place. It’s so scary and I feel so bad for this mother. This was me even while on medication. I felt so embarrassed to tell anyone besides my husband because they might think I was a bad mom and judge me. It truly is the thief of joy. Heartbreaking story.
What a terribly tragic story. RIP sweet babies. Christina, kudos to you for reading the Dads message without crying and losing it. Thank you for all your excellent content.
Heartbreaking absolutely heartbreaking. You can tell this family were a genuinely beautiful family and what an incredibly strong man to be so forgiving through such devastation. Rest in peace to those precious babies ❤
This poor woman went through hell, I cannot as a mother imagine what she is going through, and when she gets the help she needs, the rest of her life will be a living hell going through and never forgetting what she has done. I honestly feel this was not intentional, and it’s so sad, no amount of therapy I imagine will help her forgive herself..I have nothing but sympathy and well wishes for her to heal…this is a mothers worst nightmare 😢
How was it not intentional? Do you know how long it takes to strangle someone to death? She did that 3 times. She could have just took her own life but she thought she had the right to take her kids with her. It's disgusting people are supporting her.
@@alyngrace123 that doesnt make any sense. She knew exactly what she was doing. Does Andrea Yates seem remorseful? No, her own husband said she was a psycho. I'm a mom and I'm tired of women getting sympathy for killing children.
I cried like a baby hearing the dads post. I cant imagine the pain he feels each time he wakes up and the realization hits over and over. Sleep becomes the enemy at times. My prayers are with the mama, too 😭 they all have to live with this and I pray she gets the help she needs. She doesn’t need prison! She needs help! There’s a big difference and so many are confused and thrown into prison needing mental help to succeed. My soul aches for this world. My prayers are with everyone suffering from this and suffering in general. Lord be with them ❤
Hi sweet Christina, You covered this tragedy with empathy and grace. Beyond heartbreaking!!!!💔 God bless them and their dad. ✨Big hugs to the babies in heaven.
The really sad part is she was doing everything she was supposed to be doing. The disease got ahold of her 😢 I don’t know what the solution is here but I wish we had better places where people can go to be rehabilitated when they are victims of severe psychosis
I think this is so sad. Both of these parents were honestly doing everything they could to take care of this. She was going 5 days a week and he was working from home. Such a sad story and the financial part of it is simply outrageous. No one should have to suffer this kind of thing because of money. " I stand with Lyndsey" and I pray for these children and this father that's had his entire world destroyed. God bless
@@paulascharff3534in a perfect world yes, it’s called hindsight. Every so and so on here saying they should have done this, and they should have done that. But no one really knows because you weren’t there. It sounds like they were trying to do all the right things
I’m telling you those pregnancy hormones are NO joke. After each of mine ( 6 ) I had SEVERE depression for several weeks postpartum; it’s a combination of intense fear, extreme swings from happy to unbelievably sad in mere seconds, insomnia even though you’ve never been so tired in your whole life and a feeling like you’ve been abandoned all wrapped up in one ruminating mind. It’s terrifying and I’m so thankful mine did get better and my heart goes out to this woman. Knowing she did everything she could to seek help, it really speaks to the failures within the health care industry. Particularly mental health. There always seems to be a peripheral “understanding” and willingness to *talk about it* but very little *real life impact* In other words, mental health care is an extremely difficult treatment to get; inpatient especially. Unless you’re a celebrity. It’s terrible.
I think some people don't have them and can't understand. One pregnancy i was so depressed. I drove my family away. The second pregnancy I was floating on a cloud, so happy and carefree. I joke I'd take my baby in a pill because I never felt better. So if one person only experiences and easy pregnancy they can't understand the depth of the hormonal changes.
And Lindsay asked to be inpatient and was denied by her insurance. Had they admitted her, those babies would most likely still be here and this family wouldn’t have been torn apart. It’s so infuriating that insurance denies stuff like this to save themselves a bit of money, when look what it could have prevented.
@@emilysicking5613 man I’ve been through it too.. it is beyond infuriating! You’re so right! Our healthcare system has been reduced to profit over patient’s needs, with horrible outcomes.
Christina with such a hard topic to discuss being a mom yourself, you did an absolute beautiful job with this. You talked with compassion and respect for the family. I live in the next town over from Lindsey and I have to say its horrible to think none of her "friends " colleagues, or even neighbors didn't see any of this starting to unfold....her poor husband I'm sure felt alone and went above and beyond to do everything he could to help her get through her days..he sounds like such a great husband and father. Again thank you Christina, bless! 🙏
Thank you so much Christina for bringing this important issue up. Myself and other family members have had personal experience of this, Post-partum depression can vary in intensity from the 'baby blues' all the way to out-right psychosis. Mental health problems can run in families, however, because this is a hormonal issue linked to child-birth, someone with no history of it can also develop it. People can seem to be very well-meaning, but the number one thing is to never leave someone alone when they are suffering from a mental break-down. People often really don't understand the nature of a mental illness. You are not in a rational state of mind. When my baby was taken away from me by the Children's Aid, I was left alone in my apartment in a psychotic state. I was under the delusion that I had let my baby starve to death as they were no longer with me. Then I tried to harm myself. By this late date, I was finally hospitalized when people realized just how sick I was. I was given treatment for over a half year. It was a long hard road to recovery. I went 'thru one on one therapy and group therapy. Keeping a daily journal was one step on a long road to recovery. I was one of the lucky ones who survived a severe post-partum depression. My doctor told me afterwards that sometimes a woman had it so bad, that she would be catatonic for the rest of her life! I had to go to court to get my baby back and prove that I was a fit mother. No one who has never walked in my shoes can make judgments about me. Even to this day, a half century later, there are family members and friends who seem to still be ashamed of me for what they see as a mental and moral weakness. All people who struggle with this need your love and support not your judgment. Thank you again so much for this very helpful and insightful segment. Thank you everyone for helping to bring this out of the closet and into the light where we can all share and support each other!
Thanks so much for covering this. My sister went through this with her 7th child. She started with ppd, but ended in psychosis. That was 14 years ago. She isn't fully better, but getting there. She had episodes like this and when they're in a different mind they put on a mask to appear OK to everyone else - but underneath they're planning on fighting whatever is going in their mind. Her husband could never have seen this coming. I pray they all find peace.
Wow that letter from the father..it was beautiful . I can't imagine the pain he's in but to be able to articulate and put some of his feelings and thoughts to paper . He described his children and his love for them and his wife so eloquently . I pray that everyone involved can find peace and "move on" . Please if you or you know someone who's struggling with their mental health DO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY and don't be ashamed to ask for help . Theres no room for judgemental thoughts and feelings when someone is going through something like this we all have our struggles and issues open your heart and try to be there to help and heal those you love and care for .
These sorts of stories make me realize that I made the right choice in not having kids. I suffer from depression and my biggest fear would be to hurt another person, especially a child. I feel awful for this entire family.
Same here. I'm the same age as Lindsay and I don't have children. So many people ask me why, and I just say it's not for me. But the truth is that I'm afraid that I wouldn't be fit for it because I know the lows my depression can take me. I would never want to risk anything with a kid.
It’s interesting that she waited for her husband to leave & murdered her children in less than 20 minutes. I feel for the babies that lost their lives & the husband who had to find their dead bodies.
This is what is very interesting because I was also thinking the same, I was curious as to if he noticed anything off about her before he left it's just odd that she waited until he left like she knew what she was gonna do was wrong
As always, excellent job on this case…your heart for people on every side of the incident is beautiful. Thank you for what you do and staying in the public eye. I’m sure it cannot be easy.
Just reading all these personal testimonials has me in tears. It really can bring all those feelings back & make you remember how bad it really was. I had already had a baby, 9yrs prior & thought “know one can tell me nothin’, I got this, there’s no way I can be depressed with this precious angel baby I just had”. Within a week I was a complete mess & didn’t have the help I needed, personally or professionally. Thankfully after 3months of pure hell, the pediatrician noticed how bad I was & immediately got me the professional help I needed. It’s by the grace of god that I didn’t go into psychosis & snap. I did have severe PPA & PPD. He’s now almost 10 & unfortunately my PPD rolled into Major Depressive Disorder & I still struggle daily, but do have the help & resources I need personally & professionally now.
This is so very sad. I could hear the tears in your voice as you read the Dad's statement. Please remember that what you do helps so many people. Thank you for sharing and keeping us updated with this case and so many others.
The father's grace and charity in this horrible situation - that was a testament to both his character and the greater Love. I sincerely wish him peace. I don't have any words.
I am from the town next to where this happened. I will say that the community and surrounding towns are completely devastated and in shock over this. There’s more info that will come out in time that just makes this more heartbreaking. I pray for every single person involved in this. I cannot imagine the pain and sadness they are going through.
This is incredibly triggering because I have suffered psychosis before, but thankfully I was in a mental health hospital during that time. I believe that this will break Lindsay mentally (& spiritually if she has faith) as she comes out the psychosis and back to reality. My deepest sympathy to the dad and the family.🙏🏿
I agree. I honestly don't know much about psychosis - depression and anxiety, yes, but not psychosis. Unless one does know and realizes every brain is completely different, I don't think people have much of a right to anything close to an educated opinion on this. Assuming she did have a psychotic break, I can't imagine how she now feels.
I never enjoyed my baby for months. Ask for help. I finally did. People thought I was crazy when I told them how I felt but when I started telling a psychiatrist I felt understood. No one should suffer in silence.
IMO the health system tx centers and Drs and insurance should share a piece of accountability too. Absolutely heartbreaking for this family. Thanks for sharing awareness without demonizing her like so many others have done.
How can we start a Lindsay Law that will mandate screening and temporarily remove children (to other family members if available) or fosters until psychosis is passed. Or taking mother to in patient care and insurance will have to pay- It’s sad but we need to protect the children from this and stop this re:occurrence.
This is so heartbreaking 💔 Post partum psychosis is not talked about enough. It's most likely Lindsay wasn't aware of what she was doing. It wouldn't have been planned and she will live with the guilt for the rest of her life. Heartbreaking 💔
@@kenziexxbeauty3132 How vicious you can get, when you're not educated - you are the living proof. Believe what you have to, I can't even feel sorry for you because there are so many ways to educate yourself about psychosis.
@@kenziexxbeauty3132 Throwing herself out of the window must have been executed with precision too I imagine? People like you need to be educated before being let loose.
@@caitlyna3423 explain it to me. I've only worked with mental health lock down units, TDCJ's wait for 18th birthday units, children 10-10, and adults 18- geriatrics. Pts. recieving ECT for severe psychosis. Schizophrenic pts who go off meds, violent episodes until meds help them back to baseline. Psychosis is evident by a disconnect with reality. Pretending normalcy is not doable during psychosis. That would be malingering psychosis.
This was a hard one to listen to. I feel like sometimes we almost get immune to these cases, hearing the same endings over and over, but nothing could've prepared me for the way I cried hearing Patrick's letter. I felt like I got to know the kids and to see their cute faces at the end made me feel sad. I'm torn and don't really know how to feel about Lindsay but I will definitely be praying for them.
I had to take custody of my brothers kids each time his wife gave birth because she went into psychosis. She didn’t know who any of us were and she acted terrified of everyone including the children. Thankfully we were able to step in and help her get better. She’s an amazing mom and doesn’t remember a lot of it. I feel so horrible for these families that struggle with this.
did she get her kids back ?
Each time she had a kid? no offense to her but if she was psychotic with one why did she have more? most good practitioners recommend not having kids after psychosis.
I also heard that if you give birth once and suffer from postpartum depression and psychosis if you get pregnant and give birth again you will suffer again from it and it doesn’t get better. I also heard that it is even discouraged by doctors to have more children because of this danger
I wondered where was her support system. The society failed her and her family. She should have been admitted to mental ward until she was better.
Thank you for doing that, and not shaming her.Honestly your understanding and kindness is so needed in these types of situations.
PPP Is something we don’t know too much about.
Unfortunately, we lost my daughter-in-law in July 2022 due to postpartum depression. My grandson is now 10 months. His mama lost her life when he was 4 months. My son is raising his son alone. I help him as much as I can.
Such a sad sad end for those precious angels. Rest In Peace babies!
No baby should have to lose it’s mother & no mother should lose their baby. That’s horrible & I’m sorry you’re going thru all of that. We really need to wake up as a society & start giving this issue more attention. This is totally preventable in most cases. But it even goes to show you that when you do everything “right” there can still be a bad outcome. Which is why we need to normalize this conversation & raise awareness. Doctors also need to be doing more to learn about PPD & PPP so that it can be better treated. I have a few friends who have gone thru this as well. It’s horrible. But if we don’t create a supportive environment for these woman & let them know that they’re not alone & that everything they’re feeling is normal & common… then we’re going to keep seeing things like your experience & this. It’s just a tragedy all around. Mental healthcare is so important. I really hope ppl will start paying more attention to this stuff & trying to understand what leads to this without being inconsiderate & disrespectful.
I’m so sorry, that’s awful. 🙏🏼
I am so sorry you have to go through this prayers up for you my friend 🙏 ❤
I am so, so sorry for your son, and your grandson 💕 I've struggled with depression my whole life, and was terrified of getting PPD/PPP. Thankfully mine didn't end up being too bad, and I thankfully never wanted to hurt my daughter. I did struggle with unaliving myself when she was small, but I know now, that is not an option. She's 10 and I can't imagine ever leaving her, I know I can't put that on her, but it was a struggle for a long time. Prayers and positive vibes for you, your son, and your grandson 💕
@@theblackschaos thank you 🖤
I so appreciated you saying "when she comes back to baseline, after being treated in the hospital, think what she has to face". I am a nurse and saw one truly psychotic PPD patient. It was so sad and scary
This story really hit home with me. I’m 60 years old now but back then, nobody talked about this. After I had my first child, a wave came over me in the hospital when we were dressing him to bring home. I remember thinking about smothering him as awful as that is to say. I’m just being honest. It lasted for over a year. During that year I became very paranoid that someone was going to take him. Just taking him in the driveway was hard. I remember my home felt different. The walls felt like they were closer than they were and the ceiling was close to my head. Nothing felt right. It was a mental hell and nobody around me understood. It was the worst experience of my life. I never hurt him and everything did finally level out but I can totally see how this can happen. I was scared to have a second child but we did and it was just fine. Totally different experience. I feel sick for this family 😢 today, we are a happy family of 4 thank God.🙏
wow! you are so strong! thank god you made it!!! and you went through it alone. i have no doubt that doctors werenot helping you at that time, you must have felt so lonely. it. is so hard to understand why they were not aware of mental health illnesses. even in the 90's they didn't know much!
I’m the same age as you and can confirm that when I had my son, there was no support, not from family or the professionals involved in the post partum process. It affected how I bonded with my son, and left me feeling very inadequate, spiralling into depression and despair. It took me about two years to find my role in being a mother.
Thank you for sharing your story 💜
I fully feel you. I am 54 and when I had my first child, that they had to pull out via suction bell, I was only 20 years of age, and nothing was know about ppd. But the shock from giving birth, paired with multiple complications, and the realization that it feels and looks nothing like in the movies was profound. Then we went home, and over the next few months I fell deeper and deeper into depression, without even knowing it. Suddenly, I was aware of my own mortality, of the enormous responsibility of caring for my son forever, and it just knocked me out. There was no literature then, no internet, and nobody I could turn to out of shame. It was a terrifying time, I felt very suicidal. It took several months to recover, it was a lonely time. I am grateful that nowadays this illness is brought to people's attention. I have prepared my own daughter for this, so that she doesn't put pressure on herself to bond quickly, or to function perfectly when she has her first child.
@@jessiebassil7887 I had my 1st child at 14. He had colic for the first six months and I had what I now know was ppd. No one talked about it back then. Most didn't even know what it was. I remember feeling so alone and scared. Of course being so young didn't help I'm sure. I went on to have 5 more children with no further problem's.
Man, the father's letter is so well written. They all sound like such loving & aware souls. How can this happen? Devastating.
They were just little babies…. Paw patrol & Sofia the first 😢. They should be here right now, life is so unfair. The part in the father’s letter saying how Cora always said she wanted to be a doctor and a mommy!!! Broke my heart. What a tragic, tragic situation. This man lost everything within a night. The woman who he’d built this life with, the woman he loved for so long, the woman who gave life to their children… took it from them and changed theirs forever. PPP is seriously no joke… :(
My daughter had PPD with her first child, she was so lost, so scared, my baby was broken. It's a monumental task for a husband to go alone. This is how we got through it. We made a pact to never leave her alone with the baby until she was completely healed, never. There were 5 of us, made up of friends and family, we would stay with them in 24 hour shifts 7 days a week. We also asked for help with meals, and we ran errands for the family on our days off. We did this for almost a year, it was a life changing experience. If you have a friend or family member going through this please offer to help if you can, it's a lot to ask but your help can save a family, it's true it takes a village. My heart aches for everyone effected by this tragedy and the long difficult road ahead of them.
Women who have low progesterone can have PMDD, severe depression. Using bio identical progesterone, after being tested at different times, can help 🙏🙏🙏
Several vehicles? Of using progestrrone. Not progestin
It's great that dhe had such awrsome support.
You are a lifesaver and honestly this is how it should be handled. The only thing that helps is being there and being active. I had PPD after having my son, some of the darkest days ever. I was begging for help and no one except for my husband was there to support me. Sometimes all you can do is be there for the person to lean on you. You did good, mama!
Your daughter was extremely lucky to have that support system behind her!
That’s exactly what I believe it takes! And this will be a tragic example of why every little thing must be done to avoid this.
After delivering my twin daughters, I remember the nurses informing me about the warning signs of PPD. I laughed, thinking, how in the world would I ever be depressed after having our twins that my husband and I tried so hard to have?
It was within a week that PPD came for me. I felt withdrawn, anxious, sad, easy to upset, with random crying fits and feeling like my daughters were better without me. Thankfully, my mom and husband saw the changes and immediately contacted my OB.
I am beyond thankful for those who looked out for me and for my courage to share my feelings with my doctor and family.
The first three months of our twins' lives were a blur, and I wish so much I could have been present to keepsake those memories without wondering what I was thinking when looking at pictures.
Since then, I have been on and off and on again with depression and anxiety medications. Especially after my mom's cancer metastasized, her death, and a car accident a few years ago.
I'm happy to say that I am back in school to achieve my bachelor's degree in Psychology with the hope of helping others.
If you need help, be brave and ask for assistance. You are loved. Your light and love are needed. 💚🌟
This is such a sad sad story my heart goes out to the father and innocent babies. for the mother I think she need to go to a mental hospital for a while and then do some time in prison for what she done to those babies. I’m sorry but she don’t get no pass from me you do the crime you do the time.
Your story is so much like mine. I am still on antidepressants and it’s been 10 years since my second baby. My first was the worst my poor husband was so helpless he had no idea how to help me. I contacted my dr and he immediately sent me a rx he sent a breast feeding nurse to help me because that was something that was feeding the problem and he told me “if it doesn’t happen it doesn’t happen you are normal!” He was the best I was so lucky. My second child I was prepared but if still came hard. It took several different medications to make me feel better but with his help we got it but it never went away so I still take my medication and I have come to understand that it is ok I am not less for having to take it. It keeps me happy so I can be the mom and wife that I want to be. I wish there wasn’t a so much stigma around this. Women need to know it doesn’t make them less than. I pray for everyone fighting this battle and just say please don’t be afraid or ashamed to get help!
@@Crissy529 Thank you for sharing your story. I'm thankful that you were able to receive the help you needed. I'm so proud of how strong you are! Sending tons of love and virtual hugs.
Thank You for sharing! Happy to hear that Your loved ones and doctors helped. This gives a hope, that it gets better and is taken into consideration.
I was diagnosed with PPD and it was hell. My daughter in law was diagnosed with PPP and it was very hard on the family and her. These are REAL hormonal episodes that can’t be left untreated, in hopes it will go away. Please. To anyone out there who is feeling overwhelmed and “not quite yourself”, and recently gave birth~reach out. You don’t have to suffer and this won’t go away. *big hugs* to all of you.
Yeah, maybe tie yourself to a fence before you murk your kids. Despicable
it's not about hormones... it's way deeper then that. Hormones alone can't do that...
She did reach out!!!!!!
Mental illness is a very difficult battle. I speak as a mother, whose daughter struggled with mental illness her entire life. We tried everything, but sometimes nothing works. After her suicide, I came to terms with her mental illness, and have a much different perspective than I did before. Mental illness is like a cancer of the self (soul). It eats away at the person,metastasizing throughout their life. My heart goes out to this family and all who struggle with mental illness.
I’m so sorry for the loss of your beautiful daughter. May you find peace and strength. ❤
I’m so sorry about your daughter 🖤
Same with Bryan Kohberger. Men can suffer mental illness too. You better all respect that instead of discriminating men for their sex.
I’m sorry for you deep loss. God bless.❤🙏🏼
@@TheNewsAnchorYouTrust I agree! He had a mental illness and he's the devil. Yet, She gets sympathy for well-planned murders of her own innocent babies. If he's the devil so is she 🤷🏽♀️
I had severe PPD after having my first son. I was 18 and I had no idea what was happening to me. By the grace of God I got through it with the help of my mother and a good therapist. My heart goes out to her husband and family
I was 19 and I had it severe. I had no help. My mom used it to her advantage and took my kid from me. 😡 You're very lucky you had a momma who loved you and helped you ❤️🥰
@@KayXoXo4 I am so sorry that you had to go through that with no help. I can't even imagine the pain, confusion and everything else you felt. I hope you were able to have a happy life with your son after you were stronger. You should be so proud because you absolutely deserve it. I know I was very blessed to have the support of my family
My doubt is, did you feel like killing your son at that time?
@@KayXoXo4 My doubt is, did you feel like killing your son at that time?
@@KayXoXo4 I’m so sorry that happened to you and your child!!! 💔
My daughter suffered from postpartum psychosis. She said it was a nightmare! Now both are thriving. She loves being a mother!
I feel sorry for the babies. No matter what her excuse is, their life is gone permanently. They didn't deserve that
yes, the worst crimes are against children because they are innocent and defenseless. Too much focus spent on the perp not enough on the children who are victims of this "mom". It was an act of pure evil.
Postpartum psychosis is not an excuse, like Christina said it’s a serious and emergency illness. The person suffering from this cannot make the difference between reality and hallucinations! They don’t see their kids, they see demons (for example), it’s very alike schizophrenia.
@@miriam100ful I don't feel she's evil. I feel she snapped. I struggle with mental health issues myself and I'm a mother. I once called the police on MYSELF because I had a breakdown.
@@miriam100ful it’s clear you don’t understand mental illness so consider yourself lucky instead of passing shame to those who are victims of their own selfs. I suffered with severe ppd and it was literal hell. I wouldn’t wish it on my own enemy.
@@karlaf.64 yes but you didn’t act on it .
10 to life did a video on this case yesterday she shared her own personal story dealing with PPD and I encourage everyone to watch it bc it gives you a little perspective of how serious it really is . Thank you for covering this PPD is so stigmatized and they want women to reach out for help but like Lindsey was trying she tried to go full time inpatient but her insurance wouldn’t cover it and it can be costly like 30k or more a month so she wants denied that .. the system wants us to fail my heart breaks for this family the father lost everything and the poor mother will have to live with what she did for the rest of her life she doesn’t deserve murder charges she deserves the help she was desperately seeking. Thank you again for bringing light PPD. ❤
I wonder if Darlie Routier were to turn around and say, "I now know that I was suffering from PPP! I was too ashamed to admit it and what I had done, but now I see the error of my ways!" if everybody would forgive her? Annie detests her!
Darlie *was* the "pefect mother", and she was being treated for Post Partum Depression.
If she'd dropped the knife right there and confesed the truth in the spot, NOBODY would have had any sympathy for her, she just would have been jailed that instant.
Shame can plunge people into denial. I still think she's where she needs to be, but I also see a lot of parallels.
I watched Annie’s program, it was so brave of her to lay her soul bare xx
100 % agree. This is a tragedy not a crime
I watched her video yesterday and she did a great job. Please watch her on the 10 to life channel. ❤️ to all.
I watched it she was so brave for telling her story. She truly is an inspiration. Just like Christine ❤️❤️
Postpartum depression is the devil! I never thought it was real until I had it with my only child!! It was awful! I remember calling my mom at 3 am and telling her if she didn’t come to get him I didn’t know what I would do. Literally crying writing that! IT’S SO REAL! Please seek help or reach out if you think you have it. It doesn’t last forever!
God bless you! Thank you for reaching out to your mother! I'm sure that wasn't easy as a new mommy! You're super strong! God loves you! So does your boy! 💜
Post natal depression and psychosis are two very different things
@@emmamcrankin1225 yes they are. They’re both devastating.
Indeed it is,this illness has satan & his demons written all over it! The enemy comes in various forms guys, but his goal remains the same, to steal kill & destroy! Prayers for all those affected.
Stop making excuses, modern day feminism has ruined women. She killed her kids and planned it out. She planned her defense weeks in advance. She’s a monster and so are you if you think she should be kept alive
I work in inpatient psych and you are correct. The hardest part is seeing them pick up the pieces after they come out of psychosis and realize what they have done and the consequences they have to face.
I've been there. Thank God I've never done anything criminal but I've done other stupid, crazy stuff and yes you have to pick up the broken pieces when you come back to reality.
Christina, I knew Lindsay from a local moms support group. (I am just south of Boston).
I suffered PPD and was lucky enough to beat my demons.
Lindsay was in outpatient therapy 3-5x a week and had BEGGED for inpatient help, but was denied.
Her doctors need to be held accountable.
Im glad you are doing better now and I completely agree. Accountability falls on the system here..... she knew things weren't okay and asked for the help we are all encouraged to ask for only to be denied. Obviously nobody could have expected something like this to happen but that is the exact problem. This could happen to any one of us mamas and it needs to be treated as serious as that.
Yeah. Her doctors or insurance company whoever had the final say in declining her the inpatient care she wanted needs to be held accountable definitely. That is the only way things will change is if these companies and hospitals are held accountable.
Terrible!
I am very happy you fought hard and won, but her doctors are not responsible for her actions; she is.
I have compassion on her, and the many women who suffer from the horrible hormonal changes after delivery, but most do not murder their children. She did. She murdered her children. Ppp is very different to ppd...
What about the fathers who murder their children due to psychosis, is it the doctors fault there as well? Is there a difference? Why are some people given compassion while others are not?
Maybe I just don't understand why some kill and others do not.
I do agree our medical system is broken as well as insurance rules the world, but we cannot blame others for our actions.
We have no idea how they were treating her. They have nothing to do with insurance accepting and denying cases; they have no authority there other than writing the insurance company stating its medically necessary, and even still they can reject the claim.
Insurance rules the world...they dictate the care patients get ..
I find this shocking - best wishes for the future for yourself & your family 💕
I'm a nurse and having worked in mental health, I've seen postpartum depression and psychosis first hand. The best way I can think of to describe it is literally like a a short circuit in the brain that causes a switch to flip. If you take all the pride and the intensity with which a mother loves her children, under normal circumstances and it suddenly gets flipped upside down. That same sweet loving mother who loved her children with such intensity, now hates, loathes and sometimes even irrationally fears and sees them as evil, with all the same intensity that she once loved them. There are those cases too, where the weight of depression is too much to bear and a mother becomes suicidal and she feels like she has to take the children with her to save them. It's a horrible tragedy and my heart goes out to the dad and all their families.
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💔 thank you for helping them
As RMN I agree and will add to the original poster comment that we all walk a very thin line between sanity and insanity. My reason for going into mental health was my father mental breakdown - he became nearly evil - however with the right treatment and support . He was able to rationalise his own thoughts and feeling and see how they didn't match . It took a long time for him to recover from his psychosis. And being frank he was always vulnerable to it .
thank you for explaining this... I have so much to learn about this topic.
Having gone through this myself, you have described it so accurately. It is so frightening being the person trapped in a body with a brain that is not working properly. I never wish ppd or ppp on my worst of enemies, it is not something anyone wants to go through.
I myself suffered from postpartum depression and it’s really no joke. I never thought about harming my child, but for a brief time I wouldn’t touch my son to feed him or anything. I thought that I would hurt him or do something wrong. I am forever grateful for the support system I had. My mother my sister and my husband at the times family. I will forever be grateful and indebted to them. I cried uncontrollably and slept a lot and didn’t take care of myself at all. I feel for these mothers. I just thank God every day that I did not end up on the psychosis end of it. Much love to the father of these babies. It is he who suffers more than the children in this situation. They are now in the arms of Jesus.
I am so sorry for what you went through. I myself have suffered through postpartum never psychosis . I am grateful that u are well and healed. But in all honesty this is a case about premeditated murder. She planned these murders for a long time. First thing they do is hire a high-priced attorney. I feel so sad for her husband and those poor babies. NOT her. Too bad she didn't have the support system you had or else those babies might still be alive. A lot of people with mental illnesses kill and get no sympathy. Neither should she imo.
Michelle although I understand what you are saying and she should absolutely have to answer for her actions, she should have never been left alone with those children. People knew that she was experiencing psychosis and still allowed her to be alone with the children. Ughhh. I do feel for the father because being the only other caretaker it’s hard. I know I am basically the only caretaker in my household of four children. She will answer to the justice system and to her higher power when she gets there. I feel for the moms who actually acknowledge their problem and don’t put their children in harms way.
Bless you hun...❤😢
It's far more than the baby blues they used to talk about. We really need to fix the mental health system in our country.
Praise God you're doing well now and your children as well.
As someone who grew up with a mom with schizophrenia, I had front row seats to a shit show. I've seen things no kid should ever see.... Mental illness is one of the worst kind because its hard to treat. It's an illness u can't really see or understand unless you have it. It's truly scary and terrifying to see and hear terrifying things. I stand by Lindsay. To those who suffer with mental illness, I hope u have love and support. God bless ♥
u stand by a woman that killed 3 of her kids?! i could never.
@@trailertrish Yes I still stand by my stance.
I grew up the exact same and nobody can ever understand until they are close to it. Her brain is literally malfunctioning. I stand with her too. ❤
@@trailertrishmust of the comment section stands by her
@@christinarutkosky1313 I agree. I also sympathize with Andrea Yates.
I had my son in 1999. I had PPD and psychosis. One of my delusions was that the apocalypse was here. I'd hide in a closet, sobbing while holding my baby. It was horrible and I was losing my mind. I am thankful we are talking about this now. I am so sorry for what happened to the mama and kids in this family. This is devastating.
I seen this comment somewhere else was u on a diff video sa
Ying this as well christina Randall vjd3o..?
@TrailerTrashBarbie No, I have never told anyone this about what happened to me after my son was born. I was scared to tell anyone. I was afraid they'd put me in the mental hospital.
It’s so interesting what the brain wants you to think…. I’m so glad your ok …
Aw mama hugs I'm glad youve overcome this. True super mama 🤍
Weird that no one is mentioning Lindsay getting married at 16
Wow, the husband’s letter was amazing. It’s shocking that he was able to really relive all of those precious moments on paper so soon after this horrific incident. It made me cry but that’s because I could feel each child’s personality as they were described. This whole story is absolutely devastating and he has lost his whole world. He has handled this situation with such grace and love. I hope the medical and the legal system as well, will take this example seriously and use the media as a tool to make people understand PPD is a real thing and the woman is not just a being “hormonal”…and not “try” her case in the media. I pray for the husband, wife and all of the emergency responders…just devastating. 🙏
He’s trying to raise money for her defense lawyer, as disgusting as that is. He is going to use donations for the kids funeral to defend her. That’s terrifying
She deserves NO defense
@@jaslegume and who are you to say what she deserves? She was obviously sea king for help that she never received. If you have nothing nice to say then please don’t say anything. This family suffered already too much.
@@jaslegume wow! I wonder how you would feel if this was your wife going through something like this!!
@@nickgray6305 why is that disgusting? Obviously he loves his wife and knows what mental illness does to a person!! I can bet a million bucks if she didn’t have a mental illness this would have never happened!! I cant stand when people are one sided and dont truly understand the situation!!! Glad u r not on the jury because your mind is already made up without hearing all the facts!! Good grief!!
This happened to me when I had my son. I couldn’t understand why I was having these dark thoughts, feelings of regret, wasn’t connected to my son. I was so scared to tell my doctor, in fear he would be taken. This is a real thing. It is very hard to understand if you haven’t went through it. I hope the family finds healing
This one has me in tears.
When I was in the Army, I was a medic. I got the opportunity to work with the paramedics on post for a while.
The last few shifts were probably the most "exciting" I had. One of them included a mother of 5 and her husband was deployed. Her friend and neighbor had called us to come out due to threats of self harm and harm to the children.
Long story short: this call took 2 hours. My partner wanted to leave because the woman didn't want to go. She was worried about her children being taken away. I told him to let me talk to her mom to mom. I finally convinced her it was best to let us take her to the hospital and her friend care for her kids.
I saw her a few months later and she was sooooooooo much better. She looked like a different person.
Y'all, it's okay to ask for help. It's okay to step away for a bit and let others step in. It's better for your kids and for you.
Postpartum depression can have the potential of wake up disorders in your brain. Things that have been laying dormant.
The thing is she asked for help. She was in an outpatient program for it, but she tried to go into inpatient and her insurance wouldn't cover it. It hits close to home for me because i had PPD with my second son and it was scary. I was very detached & thankfully i got through it within a couple of months. Praying for all the moms out there going through it. You're not alone.
Just proof that mental health needs to be covered in general in this country. So stupid that they denied her help she needed but they want to lock her away since she couldn’t handle it anymore.
This is where the insurance company should be charged as well.
She really did try 😔 and so did her husband. It's just tragic all around...
@Gabe’s Mom yes something bcuz what else could she have possibly done to get help? Not much Is out there for us moms struggling with ppd & ppp. It’s a messed up situation to be in.
In the states aren't you hospitalized as soon as you show signs that you could be a danger to yourself or others?
My heart is broken for this Momma. I can't even imagine her pain when she came back to reality and realized what she had done. 💔 My heart is going out to this family.
Looking at all these personal stories is so hard but I'm glad we are still all here to share our experiences. I swear I don't care who it is if I ever saw a mother struggling I'm coming to help. I went through PPD with my son's and as a woman I thought my own mother would aid me and she was in *snap out of it mode* she told me she hadn't slept well the night before and she wouldn't be able to come get the kids. I had watched my dad's dog when he went out of town and he came by to pick her up and he wouldn't leave...he told me to go ahead upstairs and get in some water he said my underarms smelled like chicken noodle soup 🥲🤣🤣I stayed in that shower until the water was cold and I cried and cried and cried and when I got out the shower he had the kids in order and had ordered pizza and wings. I remember just sitting next to him and putting my head on his shoulder and it still felt just as huge as it did when I was like 7. He told us stories about him growing up in Memphis and his time in the air force and God it was such a moment of exhale. The next morning we had our discussion about where to go from here and 9 years later that man will come running for me and his grandkids come hell or high water. I can't thank him enough. I am so proud of everyone here in this comment section and I pray that we all go on to live happy healthy long lives as well as our children. This comment section feels like a cyber safe space and I'm here for it❤️ poor poor Clancy family. I will definitely say a prayer.
Such a sweet story ❤️ God bless you and your family 🙏🙏
Bless your family honestly. I hope when my time comes I will have the same support.
I love this❤ your amazing!
So glad your father stepped up to the plate and was there to give you the break you needed and tend to your children so you could take a long shower and just step down.. what a great man! 💗
My son lives down the street from this family and so many people think so bad of her!! She was in a psychosis that she couldn’t get out of. She was on so much medication! Keep her and her husband in your prayers because I do!!
Bless your heart Your message is very compassionate.
That’s what I was thinking. It’s sad how the medical industry doesn’t treat the dietary needs a woman’s body needs after having a baby but just dumps a bunch of medication at us. This is truly so sad and tragic.
She murdered THREE babies. Of course a murderer is viewed "badly." Interesting to me is the empathy toward this woman's criminal acts when many, many murderers claim mental health issues.
@@daniellelafleur7525 You've got a point.
I was also feeling sympathy for her and not for other murderers......I wonder why.
@@elliedaniels2245 She and her husband are very nice looking people and live in a really nice home. Somehow her mental illness has generated tons of sympathy even though she actually murdered her three children.
I am so torn here. As a man that has 4 children and I am bipolar. I am so conflicted. Of course the babies. But when I was with my old gf she gave me a lot of information about PPD. Knowing what it’s like to have a mental illness where there are times I don’t want to be here. I just don’t know. I would never harm my kids. They’re honestly the only thing that keeps me living and working. I wouldn’t be here without them. But I don’t know if I can judge her. I’ve done things I’m not proud of it. Definitely not to that extent. However, I do know what it is like not to have your own thoughts. It’s been terrible lately. Seeing your spirit in your videos and how energetic you are has helped lift my spirits tbh. Even when the videos are devastating. To my point. I’ve never had or carried a baby. I’ve helped make babies. I sympathize with mothers everywhere, especially ones with PPD. This is extremely heartbreaking. I’m not a crier but I’m fighting every tear right now. I just pray for everyone involved. All the loved ones. Even the mother. And Bless the souls of those beautiful babies in the name of Yeshua! My heart hurts.💔🙏🏽💙
I think the difference is the psychosis. I’ve had PPD and only wanted to harm myself but also have family who have psychosis due to schizophrenia and they are completely out of reality. Full on hallucinations and it is completely different. Even as someone who has had PPD I’m still thinking How? So heartbreaking
It’s difficult to imagine hurting your children, until you understand the definition of the words “delusion” “hallucination” “psychosis”. There are no human impulses that can stop a person in these situation.
She could have gone to stay with a relative or friend while they figured out additional treatment. She also WAITED for her husband to leave to k*ll her kids. I have zero sympathy
@@Maya-Hayden I’m bipolar. I have a lot of impulses so trust me I know. That’s why I feel for both sides. I’ve just had my impulses on harming myself or saying things I don’t mean. It tore my relationship apart because they’re not my own thoughts. Right now my biggest problem with it is I disappear for days. Along with having ptsd, childhood trauma, and a lot health problems. Mine have always been words which hurt too. Not to give my whole life story. But I’m conflicted so I can’t judge her or I’d have to judge myself too. I’ve been having paranoia and hallucinations over the last year. It hurts way more than physical. My whole body is tatted and it didn’t hurt. Especially not like this.
@@tineshavallejo9324 Yeah that’s exactly what I’m thinking. I also have family members who are schizophrenic. The one who’s still alive has been in a mental institution for years. Maybe even before I was born. Hers came from trauma. I think it’s time for me to ask questions like what did she do. I know how the trauma got there but why did they come to the conclusion she couldn’t be free? Did she harm someone else? I have so many questions about this. And the person who knows the most has dementia.🤦🏽♂️
I suffered from postpartum depression, this was hard to hear. But I am glad to hear that more and more people are learning about it
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I’ve never been this early and I’m not disappointed!! I’m a newer content creator started with prison content and watching other’s success is so encouraging for me. Reminds me to KEEP GOING even on hard days. Thank you for helping pave the way ❤🎉❤
Suddenly I’m transported 23 years to when I was suffering from PPD. It’s amazing how even now I can still feel those feelings. This made me sob. Thankfully I was able to get treatment and it worked. I was fine after the birth of my first, but the second sent me in a spiral. It’s such a tragedy and I feel for everyone. There are no words.
i’m so sorry you went through that. I have one child, and am pregnant with my 2nd. I’m so scared of PPD happening to me, because i already have anxiety and depression. I guess i can only pray 🙏 ❤
Ditto girl
@@cerseyxo9323 if something feels off, trust your gut and tell your doctor. Try not to worry yourself too much. Good luck with your pregnancy and 🙏
You told this story with so much compassion & empathy...Big Props to you for being such a class act !! 💜
I had post partum depression after having my one and only child 16 years ago. I was a completely different person and not myself. I was scared of my child and of myself. It took me many months to get through it and it made me never ever try to have another child. My son is my whole world and we are so close and I thank God and my mom for helping me get through it. This story breaks my heart.
Same with my first baby when I was 30. With my second pregnancy, I knew sleep and support were absolutely critical and for me, so was anti-anxiety medication. My second baby’s first 6 months were much smoother, but only because I knew what I needed to get through that tough post-partum phase. I did notice with my severe (nearly suicidal PPD) with my first baby, people were very uncomfortable with my struggle. It was very taboo to discuss. Thank God my family saw it different and helped me through it all. PPD absolutely needs to be talked about.
I had PPD, 29 years ago. I was afraid to tell anyone,I was afraid someone would take my baby from me,it’s weird thinking, it is Hard. I thank the Lord it cleared up by itself. I stand for Lindsay
My dad had PPD somehow? he was so paranoid someone would take me away, and or hurt me. He wouldn’t let anyone touch me for a long time.
That’s actually a really good point and I don’t think I’ve heard anyone mentioning that before…men suffering from it. But now that it’s beginning to get more attention, I hope they look into the likelihood of men having it as well and resources for the families dealing with it.
I had it with 2 out of my 4 kids and it’s the scariest thing
@@Maaechi I think most may have shrugged that off as being a "Girl Dad" back in the day. ?! All of this is so frightening.
@@skootrzworldz4297 yes I was my dads first born so he was super scared of anything happening to me.
@@Maaechi that's that deep 💕💕💕 love. Sweet.
I had postpartum depression after having my daughter. I damn near screamed when I had a random thought to hurt her. I immediately called my mother-in-law, who was instantly there with me and had me call my doctor. 5 years later, I'm about to give birth again and this time I'm already in therapy and on medication for my existing mental illnesses. I'm hoping it helps more, because I love my babies and I can't imagine them not being here with me. ❤️
I live in MA. She was on 12 medications. Her husband spoke to her doctors begging for help. He said they were turning her into a zombie. This family was failed in so many ways. As someone who suffers chronic physical illness I can honestly say it’s the ENTIRE medical community that is in shambles. This poor woman is going to have to live with this and her and her husband did everything they could. This whole thing is so awful😢
12 medications? As a long time psych nurse in a state psych hospital. I can’t recall anyone in the entire facility being on 12 meds. And we have the sickest of the sick.
@@stephanied9629
I’m part of plenty mental health groups on Facebook
Often, there will be a post asking what meds everyone takes.
Never EVER have I seen anyone post anywhere near 12!
Maybe rather than her being on 12 different meds at once, the OP means she had tried 12 different medications? (Or that’s what the original source of the info meant and someone has misinterpreted)
I’m not a mental health professional by any means so @Stephanie D may be able to offer more insight, but I believe it’s fairly common to try a number of different medications or combinations of medications before finding the right one. I’m speculating but from all sources it seems as though she and her husband were pretty switched on about getting treatment and support for the PPD. Given her husband mentioned her rapidly deteriorating in his statement, I’m guessing her PPD was resistant to treatment (and she may have been frequently manifesting new symptoms which required different or new meds) which could explain why she had been trialing so many different medications (presumably over a period of months leading up to the incident).
I’ve been on 10 medications at once as a child, but couldn’t imagine being on 12 if I had kids. I’m currently on 4 medications, excluding birth control, because I don’t really count it as it’s to regulate my cycle mostly, but tapering off of one non-stimulant ADHD medication currently because it isn’t needed and my psychiatrist agrees. It’s thankfully going very well. (I’m 25 and have never had children, but want to have one, then adopt one someday because I’m adopted.) I’m sometimes worried about it because I already have Borderline Personality Disorder, but get along great with children because I love their random questions and zest for life.
I'm currently on 10 medications and I would never want to stop taking them.
Only half way through the video, but I have to write this down before I forget. I heard somewhere that there are people out there who want to hold the dad responsible and for him to be prosecuted. That makes my blood boil. Poor man was already doing everything he possibly could, none of this is his fault. He did more than most would have been able to. Nothing, NOTHING he did contributed to this tragedy 💔💔💔
Exactly she had a good man compared to most
Ohhhhh they better not!!!!! (Unless they have some info we don’t know ofc) but if everything is as we see it they better let that man grieve 😭
That is the thing , men are held to no standards. So because he stayed home does that make him a good dad. Honestly, giving birth is all women and I don't understand why women would go through that burden.
The woman give birth and the man take care of the kids and everything, that is how it should be.
The internet brings out the worst in people at times. No one has the right to judge what they know nothing about. They should be grateful they are not going through this.
@@marieh1755 wow and this is how men are excused. Should a murder be let go just because he was a better criminal than the rest?
That is the most beautiful letter I have ever heard. Thank u for sharing it with my ❤️
I live about 35 miles from Duxbury and I can tell you that everyone in this region is shocked and saddened by this tragedy. I've seen social media posts from people that know this family, saying that these are good people, a beautiful family and that Lindsay is a wonderful Mom. God bless Cora, Dawson, Callan, Patrick and Lindsay.
I live in the same town and Im still so shook along with many others🙏🏻
@@Ashley1212 I can't imagine how Lindsay will come back from this. I pray that she and Patrick can eventually find peace. This is so sad on so many levels. 😞
God has these precious babies now 😭 so so sad…
How great of a mom can you be when you wait til your husband is gone and then k*ll your kids as fast as possible
@@CBrown86 Lindsay has Post Partum Psychosis. It's caused by massive changes in hormone levels before, during and after pregnancy. Lindsay is very mentally ill and was trying to get better, she's not in her right mind. Judge not lest ye be judged.
I suffered post-partum psychosis, thankfully I also had a very understanding husband and helped me get the help I needed. I spent time in a mental health ward getting better.
My little girl is almost 4 and I've never had a better relationship with her. I can't imagine how life would have ended if I had of smothered her like the voices in my head were telling me to do! My husband was honestly our saviour
May I ask a question ? Would you had known to wait until your spouse left and you were alone with the children before harming them? Or was this something you were unable to even differentiate ?
@@cerealrakist7360 If I draw on my own small experience it may have been simply the fact that she was left alone with them (it didn't matter how long... she probably didn't even know how long he would be because she was not with it) so she became absolutely panicked about being solely responsible for them... was completely overwhelmed by the pressure she felt, the fear and panic of being alone with them all needing care at the same time... it could've easily triggered a psychotic episode.
@@nicolajeffrey1831 wouldnt it make more sense to give ur babies up for adoption then? like letting urself even have a chance to kill them, u should be willing to give them to someone that can care for them if u cant. 🤦🏼♀️
@@trailertrish she probably never thought there was a chance she could ever kill them! when your brain is working against you using all cannons, it can be an actually impossible battle. like your brain is all you have to process your existence with. your brain can turn YOU, who you are at your very core, off in an instant.
@@trailertrish you’re suggesting that a totally irrational person make a rational decision which they aren’t capable of doing.
She planned it so well she accomplished her goal in 25 minutes. Jumping out of a 2nd story from a house isn't a serious attempt to end one's life ; unless there was a rope around her neck too. If she'd have been a single mother struggling to take care of three kids by working a minimum wage job & living in a trailer park she'd have gotten no pity or understanding. I feel pity for Andrea Yates but not this person.
That statement by the husband made me cry. I hope I could ever be so gracious about such a devastating tragedy.
This is so incredibly sad. Thank you for your respectful discussion about this issue, Christina. I know many people are rightfully upset and many may be angry with the mother. I hope they understand just how awful postpartum depression and psychosis is. Women who experience this are not monsters. They are incredibly sick and need help. This is such a tragedy all around. RIP to those sweet babies.
This story is heartbreaking. And nursing is such a hard career.
I remember at 22, had my son and single. Once home alone, I’d awaken afraid, this tiny human, right beside me. I felt afraid it was a monster or an evil being.
And honestly I just lived thru it.
I think moms need more help and loving people all around and families, yes, healthy families that you’d want around.
My heart is breaking for this family. For her.
Sounds like we went through a very similar situation. I, like you, just got through it on my own. I was too afraid to admit to anyone how I was feeling. I remember being terrified I would hurt my son. The closest I ever came to telling anyone how I felt is when I told my mother I was terrified something would happen to my baby. Just talking to her about my paranoia helped and after a few months I came out of the weird paranoid psychosis I was in. I went on to have two more children with no problems thank God but with both pregnancies I was absolutely terrified I would experience it again. So glad you came through it okay too!
@@leelee6360 I was never going to hurt my baby. What would happen with me is that at night, or in any sleep, feeling him move or breath would frighten me. And being that it’s an infant and not talking, and I’m all alone, I’d be afraid of this entity. I’d be absolutely frozen in fear.
It’s so hard to explain. All I know is I’m not meant to be left alone with a brand new baby. I needed someone with me for support.
I never understood why childcare was attached to mothers only,when she didn't make the baby by herself, America seems to be a technological advanced country,but very very backwards all at the same time. Fathers should be there as much as the mothers, you both are responsible for the baby
I’m a birth care worker and have worked with many moms suffering from postpartum psychosis. It’s so terrifying and is so often overlooked in it’s severity due to shame and stigma. It’s far more common and far less spoken of than we’d believe. Love to
All.
This is beyond sad. I suffered with ppd with my youngest and felt so guilty for all of the things I was feeling. I had severe anxiety, depression and thoughts I had never felt before. Sadly I found that no matter what mental health professional I talked to, what medication I took… none of it helped not even in the slightest way. It wasn’t until I had hit rock bottom and looked at myself in the mirror and saw what to me looked like a zombie did I recognize that I was not myself and no one was going to show up and save me. With the grace of God I was slowly able to move myself out of the depression and start recognizing those things as symptoms of ppd instead of true feelings. Unfortunately not everyone has that moment of recognition and I can’t imagine where I would be if I hadn’t. As much as we want to blame someone as much as we want to be angry for what she’s done, our bodies our minds sometimes just take over and it’s out of control😢
✨🌸✨God bless you x
exactly. “Out of our control”, is the best way i’ve heard this put ❤
@@cerseyxo9323 yes I’m my case out of control just didn’t feel like I was explaining it enough. I felt severe rage at absolutely nothing. My heart would beat fast and I was seeing lawn gnomes in the corner of my kids bedrooms just standing there watching me. My immune system was so low I kept getting sick with constant colds and I would go weeks not washing my hair or putting on deodorant and not even realize it!!! I am a hygiene freak so I was seriously just gone my mind my mental was totally off. It’s so scary and lonely 😩
Thanks for sharing, that takes alot of courage! I hope you're doing well. Take care.
@@allysahatfield7438Im so glad you got yourself together. I know struggling with mental health is the worst. I'm sorry you went through that.
when i was experiencing postpartum psychosis i didn't even know what planet i was on. i feel for the whole family, including lindsey :(
She knew exactly what was going on, upon being questioned so i wonder…
But yet she could send her husband on an elaborate errand calling the CVS and restaurant and checking apple maps … sounds like she was well grounded on planet earth
I had postpartum psychosis after my second. I was on my hands and knees at 3 am trying to clean up water that was flooding my apartment. I called up my mom to come over and help in a total panic while the kids slept. There was no water, no flood, and I was using my unfolded laundry as towels. I still in my memory can SEE the water. I've hallucinated on hallucinogens, this was not like that. In my mind it was so real, and felt so normal.
I ended up going for an intensive 3 month treatment. I'm still on my meds, still in therapy, and the boys are thriving. You have to make sure people are looking out for you after you do have a baby. Get help if you can't get back to feeling normal. We need to educate pregnant wome as well when it comes to all the hormone changes, and what that can look like. I actually was totally unaware this was even a possibility, and had to learn all about it the hard way. No one told me I would have the weird thoughts, and bizarre dreams about throwing my baby down a flight of stairs. Or that what did happen to me could. Or that its even normal to have thoughts like that.
I also think we need to maybe look at postpartum for what it is, and what it said in the video, a medical emergency! It's literally a hormone issue to begin with, and the side effect is mental illness. ☹ So so sad.
Although not the same as having an infant but ppl also need to be made aware & properly prepared for the possibility of severe changes after having full hysterectomies bc they too can cause similar outcomes, it’s all hormone related changes some far worse than others & can happen very suddenly & without warning & never goes away! It’s scary & sad to think about what so many women endured so long ago when this topic wasn’t up for discussion!
@@j.j.8741 Absolutely! And endometriosis, thyroid, anything hormonal! Hormones rule
I work in behavioral health and while I have never dealt with others going through PPP, I have had clients who suffered from schizophrenia and psychosis. It truly is scary when they are having episodes. Even with the same person, each episode differs. I had PPD with my now 6 year old, and it was awful! I remember telling the doctor my child needed an exorcism and just started crying uncontrollably. I was diagnosed that day as well as my daughter with colic. Luckily, I had a lot of support, and after watching this- I’m grateful is was only PPD and not PPP
This case really infuriates me. Especially as someone who has suffered from PPD and postpartum psychosis. So I feel like I can speak on this. This video is a few months old so there is a few pieces of information missing that could just be from the timeline, but, this was planned by her. She sent her husband out specifically to get food, and days before in her search history she had looked up “how long it takes to strangle someone”. Postpartum psychosis DOES NOT cause this. When you are in an episode; you have a voice telling you not to listen to the voices. An episode will not last days or weeks where you don’t understand for that huge length of time what is right vs what is wrong.
Also, at any point during these murders, she could have stopped. She murdered 3 times, over and over. She could have stopped. She was also quoted saying “I can always have more babies.” People need to stop excusing murderers for mental illness.
Also, when you are in a psychosis episode; you are not yourself. Her husband was aware of her condition and knew the signs. She would have had to consciously “act” normal while asking him to run out and get food....while planning what would happen next. Her husband is also quoted saying at that time she was getting better at that point in time - which is why he felt comfortable leaving to go to the store.
I know that no one wants to think she was capable of this, but she needs to be held accountable. Period. RIP to these beautiful babies.
Yes!!!👏👏👏👏 thank you!! Exactly what I think
Thank you for saying what many hesitate to.
It’s going to be so sad for Lyndsey when she comes round. I feel so sad for everyone involved. It’s the system that failed her. Health insurance companies really need to rethink how they treat women who suffer from this.
Not just this. Everything. Ur doctor could recommend that u need a med or treatment, whatever… and if the health insurance company thinks it’s not necessary….. u won’t be covered. We need to get rid of health insurance. Remember when the government imposed a fine on people who didn’t have it
It's so sad because in other countries, women are catered to after having the baby here in America, be damned if you get help. Then when something like this absolutely heartbreaking happens..noone has nothing to say, this could have been prevented, doctors, etc could of go this woman. My heart goes out to the families and those angels in heaven.
I really blame the mental healthcare system in this country. As someone whose brother suffered psychosis, we received barely any help, even when he was becoming visibly aggressive. We were told he could not be committed unless he actually became aggressive, so we were essentially waiting for it to happen. When he finally got committed, he was released 2 weeks later and still in psychosis. Situations like these are devasting and are a sign something needs to change!
Seeing her insurance company refused her request to have in care treatments. They should start being held accountable and responsible.
His whole family deserves to be loved and remembered.
I suffered with severe PPD and I had disturbing and intrusive thoughts. I thought I was the only one to ever suffer from this and I have stayed silent about how I felt for 20 years. This case is so sad!
Post partum depression is so serious, I hope we all continue to be educated and aware of it and reduce the stigma as it really could save lives ❤
Devastating case. The dad's statement, just wow. You can just feel how much he loved and adored his children and wife. How does anyone move forward from that? There are so many ignorant people where mental illness is concerned, I've read so many comments on this and other similar cases where people talk about how it's just an excuse and you're responsible for your actions. People who are in the throws of a psychosis have no idea what they're doing, that's what makes it so terrifying. My mother used to suffer with severe mental health issues and often had thoughts of hurting me, but ultimately ended up taking her own life. I think people really need to educate themselves before being so opinionated on a topic they clearly know nothing about.
This case helped me get a diagnosis for postpartum OCD. The intrusive thoughts make you feel so crazy, I just can’t imagine what the psychosis does to you. I feel horrible for these women. My twins are 10 months now and I only just started to be able to really enjoy being their mother bc of the anxiety medication I was given. I truly see now how big of a blessing motherhood is. Thinking of being the reason that they are gone or that it’s all over, I don’t think there’s coping after that. I just hope she is deemed insane. I wish we had some kind of reform treatment for cases like this.
Women who have low progesterone can have PMDD, severe depression. Using bio identical progesterone, after being tested at different times, can help 🙏🙏🙏
Several vehicles? Of using progestrrone. Not progestin
You delivered this story with the level of realness and compassion that has come to be your corner stone for me!
I bawled as you were reading what the husband wrote after everything... It's honestly so freaking crazy how fast your life can change in twenty five minutes.
I can only imagine how the mom will feel once she comes out of this psychosis. It’s extremely sad on all fronts. My prayers go out to all involved.
Is there a test to prove psychological illness ? Why do some moms kill
@@lisadawnrussell because they’re ill! As much as people want to vilify others who do things like this there’s a simple answer in some cases - mental illness. It’s not a get out clause or excuse. People suffering mental health issues can do things completely out of character. Do some research. It’s not all down to “evil people” doing “evil things”. Sometimes it’s mental health problems which in this case she was clearly suffering from. A friend of mine suffered postpartum psychosis and was convinced someone was going to poison her baby so she had to kill the baby first. Thankfully she got treatment before she acted on those thoughts. It could’ve turned out horrendously.
It’s ridiculous & unfair that you feel that you may have to edit yourself when you say the words “postpartum depression” or “postpartum psychosis” because who knows how RUclips will react to those words.
Thank you for covering this story & helping to spread awareness
Thank you Christina for sharing in it’s entirety such a moving statement from this broken hearted dad and husband, I pray that they will some day find peace!
This breaks my heart bc I suffered from PPD and anxiety after my son was born. I had bizarre thoughts that I was embarrassed to admit for 6 months.
We knew I was high risk bc I suffered from clinical depression when I was 17. My mom also had PPD after at least my 5th sister. I recognized it for what it was and my Dr and I already had set check in dates. I got treatment quickly and resolved quickly.
This poor momma will live with this for the rest of her life. She tried everything. She TRIED to be committed but she was TURN DOWN BC OF INSURANCE!!!!
Heart breaking for everyone. Prayers for both mom and dad
This case is so tragic 😥 I know she was going to outpatient therapy. She wanted to do inpatient therapy but insurance wouldn't pay for it and they couldn't afford it. I feel insurance should cover these things. I wish they could have put a go fund me together before to try and raise funds for the inpatient. Such a heartbreaking case and I'm praying for everyone involved including Lindsey. 🙏 ❤️
What a Tragedy!!! Can't imagine what the poor father is going through. May God give him strength
Unless you’ve been through this, you will never understand it. I turned into what I can only describe as a monster. I carry a lot of shame and guilt for the way I behaved whilst understanding I wasn’t myself and couldn’t control it. This whole case is devastating. Thoughts and love go out to them all. I sobbed my heart out listening to what the husband/dad said, very sad.
Thoughts and love to you.
Please let go of the guilt. You were not responsible or able to reason your brain chemistry out of the dysfunction. This horrible time gave you understanding and compassion for others facing the same situation. You may be able to help someone else with your experiences. That is very healing in itself. Big hugs to you momma!
She's an evil pos. I assure u that most lunatics have mental health issues but when they decide to kill, especially their own kids, they are an evil pos, and none of them deserve sympathy. Good to know u weirdos think it's ok for an evil pos to annihilate her kids bcuz she's depressed lol. U couldn't make this shyt up if u wanted to 😂😂😂
Totally agreed with Christi. Please, do Your best to get rid of that guilt. Turn that minus to plus. Everyone deserves love and happiness unconditionally. You did Your best at a time. So so many of us go through mental health issues. You are not alone in this.
I totally understand. Unless you have it you have no idea. My son turns eighteen in July.
The greatest kindness the world could show Lindsey, is letting her pass away if she truly is in severe condition from her injuries.
As a mama who had awful postpartum anxiety, I can only imagine how awful postpartum psychosis is. What I know is, when or if she comes back to her old self, she will never be able to move forward. She and her family will re-experience the trauma and suffering over and over.
Prayers to them all for peace
“Thief of joy…” Truly eloquent and spot on. Thank you again Xtina! Xo!
I had postpartum depression after my second. It was so horrible. My husband had to go to work because we couldn’t afford for him not to. I would beg him to stay home because I was so scared of what I might do. I honestly at the time just wanted to give my kids to my mom or just run away. I would snap at my kids and then feel tremendously guilty afterwards and would lock myself in a bathroom and cry. Luckily, 15 months later, my 3yo and 15mo old are thriving and I’m in a good place. It’s so scary and I feel so bad for this mother. This was me even while on medication. I felt so embarrassed to tell anyone besides my husband because they might think I was a bad mom and judge me. It truly is the thief of joy. Heartbreaking story.
I lived the same many years ago with my fist son, I went to treatment and after three months I improved, it was horrible.
I’m really glad everything has gotten better for you.
This is such a sad situation. My heart breaks for everyone involved. 💔
What a terribly tragic story. RIP sweet babies. Christina, kudos to you for reading the Dads message without crying and losing it. Thank you for all your excellent content.
This is so heartbreaking. His letter brought me to my knees. 😢. Great job reading it Christina, I wouldn’t have been able to make it through it. ❤
Heartbreaking absolutely heartbreaking. You can tell this family were a genuinely beautiful family and what an incredibly strong man to be so forgiving through such devastation. Rest in peace to those precious babies ❤
You do a great job about presenting these stories with compassion and respect. You are very talented at what you do. 🥰
This poor woman went through hell, I cannot as a mother imagine what she is going through, and when she gets the help she needs, the rest of her life will be a living hell going through and never forgetting what she has done. I honestly feel this was not intentional, and it’s so sad, no amount of therapy I imagine will help her forgive herself..I have nothing but sympathy and well wishes for her to heal…this is a mothers worst nightmare 😢
I know! Those little bastards were a pain in the asssss
How was it not intentional? Do you know how long it takes to strangle someone to death? She did that 3 times. She could have just took her own life but she thought she had the right to take her kids with her. It's disgusting people are supporting her.
@@polarpop666 She could not stop, she was out of reality.
@@alyngrace123 that doesnt make any sense. She knew exactly what she was doing. Does Andrea Yates seem remorseful? No, her own husband said she was a psycho. I'm a mom and I'm tired of women getting sympathy for killing children.
@@polarpop666 I’m right there with you… if she gets let off for this, they might as well just let Chris watts go as well.
I cried like a baby hearing the dads post. I cant imagine the pain he feels each time he wakes up and the realization hits over and over. Sleep becomes the enemy at times. My prayers are with the mama, too 😭 they all have to live with this and I pray she gets the help she needs. She doesn’t need prison! She needs help! There’s a big difference and so many are confused and thrown into prison needing mental help to succeed. My soul aches for this world. My prayers are with everyone suffering from this and suffering in general. Lord be with them ❤
Hi sweet Christina, You covered this tragedy with empathy and grace. Beyond heartbreaking!!!!💔 God bless them and their dad. ✨Big hugs to the babies in heaven.
I can't see how the poor woman will be able to live with herself, there will never be any punishment that is worse than realising what she did 💔
The really sad part is she was doing everything she was supposed to be doing. The disease got ahold of her 😢 I don’t know what the solution is here but I wish we had better places where people can go to be rehabilitated when they are victims of severe psychosis
Thank you to the utube for speaking out with empathy for women who got through post partum depression & phycosis
I think this is so sad. Both of these parents were honestly doing everything they could to take care of this. She was going 5 days a week and he was working from home. Such a sad story and the financial part of it is simply outrageous. No one should have to suffer this kind of thing because of money. " I stand with Lyndsey" and I pray for these children and this father that's had his entire world destroyed. God bless
She wanted to go inpatient. Anna Elise wanted to go inpatient but was 1,300 /day.
So she or the children couldn’t stay with a friend or relative until something was figured out?
@@CBrown86 Thank you! Ideally she should not have been left alone with those babies.
@@paulascharff3534in a perfect world yes, it’s called hindsight. Every so and so on here saying they should have done this, and they should have done that. But no one really knows because you weren’t there. It sounds like they were trying to do all the right things
I’m telling you those pregnancy hormones are NO joke. After each of mine ( 6 ) I had SEVERE depression for several weeks postpartum; it’s a combination of intense fear, extreme swings from happy to unbelievably sad in mere seconds, insomnia even though you’ve never been so tired in your whole life and a feeling like you’ve been abandoned all wrapped up in one ruminating mind.
It’s terrifying and I’m so thankful mine did get better and my heart goes out to this woman. Knowing she did everything she could to seek help, it really speaks to the failures within the health care industry. Particularly mental health. There always seems to be a peripheral “understanding” and willingness to *talk about it* but very little *real life impact*
In other words, mental health care is an extremely difficult treatment to get; inpatient especially. Unless you’re a celebrity. It’s terrible.
Those hormones are no joke.
I think some people don't have them and can't understand. One pregnancy i was so depressed. I drove my family away. The second pregnancy I was floating on a cloud, so happy and carefree. I joke I'd take my baby in a pill because I never felt better.
So if one person only experiences and easy pregnancy they can't understand the depth of the hormonal changes.
And Lindsay asked to be inpatient and was denied by her insurance. Had they admitted her, those babies would most likely still be here and this family wouldn’t have been torn apart. It’s so infuriating that insurance denies stuff like this to save themselves a bit of money, when look what it could have prevented.
@@sarahbell3038 well said and absolutely!
@@emilysicking5613 man I’ve been through it too.. it is beyond infuriating! You’re so right! Our healthcare system has been reduced to profit over patient’s needs, with horrible outcomes.
Christina with such a hard topic to discuss being a mom yourself, you did an absolute beautiful job with this. You talked with compassion and respect for the family. I live in the next town over from Lindsey and I have to say its horrible to think none of her "friends " colleagues, or even neighbors didn't see any of this starting to unfold....her poor husband I'm sure felt alone and went above and beyond to do everything he could to help her get through her days..he sounds like such a great husband and father. Again thank you Christina, bless! 🙏
Thank you so much Christina for bringing this important issue up. Myself and other family members have had personal experience of this, Post-partum depression can vary in intensity from the 'baby blues' all the way to out-right psychosis. Mental health problems can run in families, however, because this is a hormonal issue linked to child-birth, someone with no history of it can also develop it. People can seem to be very well-meaning, but the number one thing is to never leave someone alone when they are suffering from a mental break-down. People often really don't understand the nature of a mental illness. You are not in a rational state of mind. When my baby was taken away from me by the Children's Aid, I was left alone in my apartment in a psychotic state. I was under the delusion that I had let my baby starve to death as they were no longer with me. Then I tried to harm myself. By this late date, I was finally hospitalized when people realized just how sick I was. I was given treatment for over a half year. It was a long hard road to recovery. I went 'thru one on one therapy and group therapy. Keeping a daily journal was one step on a long road to recovery. I was one of the lucky ones who survived a severe post-partum depression. My doctor told me afterwards that sometimes a woman had it so bad, that she would be catatonic for the rest of her life! I had to go to court to get my baby back and prove that I was a fit mother. No one who has never walked in my shoes can make judgments about me. Even to this day, a half century later, there are family members and friends who seem to still be ashamed of me for what they see as a mental and moral weakness. All people who struggle with this need your love and support not your judgment. Thank you again so much for this very helpful and insightful segment. Thank you everyone for helping to bring this out of the closet and into the light where we can all share and support each other!
Thanks so much for covering this. My sister went through this with her 7th child. She started with ppd, but ended in psychosis. That was 14 years ago. She isn't fully better, but getting there.
She had episodes like this and when they're in a different mind they put on a mask to appear OK to everyone else - but underneath they're planning on fighting whatever is going in their mind. Her husband could never have seen this coming. I pray they all find peace.
Wow that letter from the father..it was beautiful . I can't imagine the pain he's in but to be able to articulate and put some of his feelings and thoughts to paper . He described his children and his love for them and his wife so eloquently . I pray that everyone involved can find peace and "move on" . Please if you or you know someone who's struggling with their mental health DO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY and don't be ashamed to ask for help . Theres no room for judgemental thoughts and feelings when someone is going through something like this we all have our struggles and issues open your heart and try to be there to help and heal those you love and care for .
These sorts of stories make me realize that I made the right choice in not having kids. I suffer from depression and my biggest fear would be to hurt another person, especially a child. I feel awful for this entire family.
Same here. I'm the same age as Lindsay and I don't have children. So many people ask me why, and I just say it's not for me. But the truth is that I'm afraid that I wouldn't be fit for it because I know the lows my depression can take me. I would never want to risk anything with a kid.
Ditto!
It’s interesting that she waited for her husband to leave & murdered her children in less than 20 minutes. I feel for the babies that lost their lives & the husband who had to find their dead bodies.
This is what is very interesting because I was also thinking the same, I was curious as to if he noticed anything off about her before he left it's just odd that she waited until he left like she knew what she was gonna do was wrong
As always, excellent job on this case…your heart for people on every side of the incident is beautiful. Thank you for what you do and staying in the public eye. I’m sure it cannot be easy.
Just reading all these personal testimonials has me in tears. It really can bring all those feelings back & make you remember how bad it really was.
I had already had a baby, 9yrs prior & thought “know one can tell me nothin’, I got this, there’s no way I can be depressed with this precious angel baby I just had”. Within a week I was a complete mess & didn’t have the help I needed, personally or professionally. Thankfully after 3months of pure hell, the pediatrician noticed how bad I was & immediately got me the professional help I needed.
It’s by the grace of god that I didn’t go into psychosis & snap. I did have severe PPA & PPD. He’s now almost 10 & unfortunately my PPD rolled into Major Depressive Disorder & I still struggle daily, but do have the help & resources I need personally & professionally now.
This is so very sad. I could hear the tears in your voice as you read the Dad's statement. Please remember that what you do helps so many people. Thank you for sharing and keeping us updated with this case and so many others.
The father's grace and charity in this horrible situation - that was a testament to both his character and the greater Love. I sincerely wish him peace. I don't have any words.
I am from the town next to where this happened. I will say that the community and surrounding towns are completely devastated and in shock over this. There’s more info that will come out in time that just makes this more heartbreaking. I pray for every single person involved in this. I cannot imagine the pain and sadness they are going through.
This is incredibly triggering because I have suffered psychosis before, but thankfully I was in a mental health hospital during that time. I believe that this will break Lindsay mentally (& spiritually if she has faith) as she comes out the psychosis and back to reality. My deepest sympathy to the dad and the family.🙏🏿
I agree, sadly that was satans goal, to break her.. I pray he loses!
I agree. I honestly don't know much about psychosis - depression and anxiety, yes, but not psychosis. Unless one does know and realizes every brain is completely different, I don't think people have much of a right to anything close to an educated opinion on this. Assuming she did have a psychotic break, I can't imagine how she now feels.
I never enjoyed my baby for months. Ask for help. I finally did. People thought I was crazy when I told them how I felt but when I started telling a psychiatrist I felt understood. No one should suffer in silence.
IMO the health system tx centers and Drs and insurance should share a piece of accountability too. Absolutely heartbreaking for this family. Thanks for sharing awareness without demonizing her like so many others have done.
How can we start a Lindsay Law that will mandate screening and temporarily remove children (to other family members if available) or fosters until psychosis is passed. Or taking mother to in patient care and insurance will have to pay- It’s sad but we need to protect the children from this and stop this re:occurrence.
Agree.
This is so heartbreaking 💔 Post partum psychosis is not talked about enough. It's most likely Lindsay wasn't aware of what she was doing. It wouldn't have been planned and she will live with the guilt for the rest of her life. Heartbreaking 💔
Didn’t she wait until her husband was gone getting food?
Waiting for that 25 minute window of opportunity when hubby left to get food. She must have been acting normal for him to leave the kids with her.
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How vicious you can get, when you're not educated - you are the living proof. Believe what you have to, I can't even feel sorry for you because there are so many ways to educate yourself about psychosis.
@@kenziexxbeauty3132 Throwing herself out of the window must have been executed with precision too I imagine? People like you need to be educated before being let loose.
@@caitlyna3423 explain it to me. I've only worked with mental health lock down units, TDCJ's wait for 18th birthday units, children 10-10, and adults 18- geriatrics. Pts. recieving ECT for severe psychosis. Schizophrenic pts who go off meds, violent episodes until meds help them back to baseline. Psychosis is evident by a disconnect with reality. Pretending normalcy is not doable during psychosis. That would be malingering psychosis.
This was a hard one to listen to. I feel like sometimes we almost get immune to these cases, hearing the same endings over and over, but nothing could've prepared me for the way I cried hearing Patrick's letter. I felt like I got to know the kids and to see their cute faces at the end made me feel sad. I'm torn and don't really know how to feel about Lindsay but I will definitely be praying for them.
The way she must feel when she comes out of this psychosis I can't even imagine I'm so sorry for you all and you family my prayers go out to you.