Robin DiAngelo, Erin Trent Johnson + Aaron Morrison | White Fragility
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Robin DiAngelo, author of the new book “White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism,” sits down with Community Equity Partners CEO Erin Trent Johnson and Mic Senior Writer Aaron Morrison to discuss one of the most daunting barriers to true racial equality. Buy a copy of “White Fragility” here: www.strandbook...
In this groundbreaking and timely book, antiracist educator Robin DiAngelo deftly illuminates the phenomenon of "white fragility". Referring to the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially, white fragility is characterized by emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and by behaviors including argumentation and silence. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium and prevent any meaningful cross-racial dialogue. In this in-depth exploration, DiAngelo explores how white fragility develops, how it protects racial inequality, and what we can do to engage more constructively.
Robin DiAngelo received her PhD in Multicultural Education from the University of Washington in Seattle in 2004. She earned tenure at Westfield State University, where she has taught courses in Multicultural Teaching, Inter-group Dialogue Facilitation, Cultural Diversity & Social Justice, and Anti-Racist Education. Her work on White Fragility has been featured or cited in Salon, NPR, Slate, Alternet, the Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Seattle Times. For over 20 years, DiAngelo has been a consultant and trainer on issues of racial and social justice, working with a wide-range of organizations including private, non-profit, and governmental. She was recently appointed to co-design the City of Seattle’s Race and Social Justice Initiative Anti-Racism training (with Darlene Flynn).
Erin Trent Johnson is the CEO and principal coach, facilitator, and consultant for Community Equity Partners (CEP) and serves as the Senior Advisor for The Equity Lab. Erin works with organizations in the education, non-profit, government, and tech arenas that are committed to creating equitable and inclusive practices. Erin’s approach to coaching and leadership development helps organization leaders notice, name and disrupt systemic barriers to equity and inclusion within themselves and their organizations. As a coach and facilitator, Erin provides a dynamic learning experience for leaders that fosters personal and professional growth, transforms organizational culture and leads to community impact. Erin has nearly fifteen years of experience and leadership in education, community organizing and community development which has prepared her to support leaders in solving their own problems of equity and community building.
Recorded July 18, 2018
"I will never understand what it means to a person of color, but people of color have a deeper understanding of what it means to be white that I could never understand."
Um..... What?!
In order to understand if something is racist you have to swap out the races if it's okay then it is not racist suddenly it becomes not okay than it is. Lets replace white with black" I will never understand what it means to be a person who is white but people who are wight have a better understanding of what it means to be black than I ever could."
We have Black owned private schools all across the nation!!! I attended Black owned private schools on the west coast while growing up as a child! We need to support our own and we will face racism less and social economic growth more often will be our conversation....there is a time to integrate,....and their is a time we need to come together and grow together as a people!!!!!!!
This is groundbreaking, and a very necessary approach on a extremely urgent question about how do we see our future as a people in relation too racism. Were do we want to be in five years? As stated it’s not a quick fix.
This poison to the left
bahahaha!
"everyone needs an intervention" when she gets paid that much per hour.
America is free. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am grateful their opinion is not my truth. My God made me in his image. The "I am" is my universal truth not the human race.
I found it interesting that Robin D'Angelo felt compelled to answer nearly every question before Erin had a chance. That was definitely a manifestation of white supremacy -- "I must have a better answer than you, because I'm white." It is surely an example of internalized white supremacy. Also, in discussing the President, I think it would have been appropriate to point out the difference between white supremacy and white MALE supremacy.
I feel you but, I think it was how he was asking the questions. He seem to be posing the question to her first. Which is understandable being that we already know how we feel. Just a thought.
She's actually mentioned that in a public engagement once and acknowledged that as part of her unconscious bias. She knows that on occasion she speaks over people of color. This is the challenge for white people, when they are confronted with their often unaware and unintentional racist behaviors that we perpetuate on occasion.
What people of color are looking for is where they can go with us, when that conditioning surfaces. They don't expect us to be totally free from our conditioning, that would be impossible. But if we are defensive and refuse to hear that feeback, then they know we won't put in the effort to try to do better. And then they may or may not stay in a relationship with us, but it won't be as genuine or authentic as we believe those relationships to be. That's what's happening with white fragility. All white people have some versions of it. How we choose to process that is what makes us individuals.
@@vincentcerasoli5969 🤤😂 all races aren’t monolithic to say all people of any race do something is ignorant and inaccurate..it removes nuance and perpetuates racial stereotypes which is racist ..no one speaks for a race of people because again no race is a monolith
Could it be that why you are being challenged is because these theories are unscientific and incoherent? That's what bothers me. I never like irrational ideas packaged in a framework that does not allow questioning and debate and counterpoint. That is a racist construct.
These theories ARE unscientific and incoherent, which is why they're idiotic.
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Funny how white people always say this same thing. And then they don't actually present anything that credibly proves her wrong.
@@vincentcerasoli5969 no race is a monolithic to believe one is is ignorant.. her argument is trash, simplistic, snake oil and racist . Any one who challenges her idea is being fragile ..sounds like religion to me .. also no data provided just her own personal experience..if you agree with her you’re racist and dividing the movement with your racist purity contests .. show me some proof that backs up her bs I’m taking actual data not the just opinions of one racist white woman
@@vincentcerasoli5969 Who is white? Not me
I am sharing with friends and family and most are amazed at the level of activity that has been going on for many years to dismantle the feelings of inferiorty among people of color by understanding the structure of racism since the inception of the USA, through laws especially and spread to most of the world.
Feel free to leave then loser. Go back to your mud hut.
You think the concept of racism originated in the US and THEN spread to the rest of the world? There might of been different words for the same concept in other countries but good lord man, read a history book. I tremble at what you'll learn about the Arab slave trade and what they did to black slaves. Lets just say slaves in the US generally go to keep their balls and not have their kids murdered at birth.
Please don't share this garbage.
@@D00kerT if people believe that racism started in America then they have never read the Greeks philosophy about race and how the Asian people are weak willed but those in the nordic countries are strong but dumb.
@@AbbysinianReaction What Dooker T is saying about slavery in the Arab world is just true.
"How do I build my capacity to bear witness?"
Go hiking?
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interesting how they use religious language
@@zeenuf00 The term "to bear witness" is not purely a religious construct. It just means to listen to others without all the reactions that she just described......you know the ones you are displaying in this comment....anger, arrogance, denial etc. To be religious for many religious conservatives in this country is to follow the teachings of Jesus and to believe and follow the bible........not to twist it and make it what you want it to be, because it makes you feel better. True followings of Jesus is to believe the truth that sets you free the Love God with your heart, mind soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. To deny is to have a god of your own making.....your imagination......that is for 4 year olds. It's time to grow up now and face the truth.
Michael Niemeyer that means you speak out when you see wrong, even if the offender is friend or family. Expect backlash and take it on the chin. We all have to stand and take control of our government. Then we stand and support you after you blow the whistle. We stop letting these bastards bully people and fire and harass them for calling out killer kops or dirty D.As. This means keep your eyes and ears open. When you see something, say something. Yell from the rooftops. When white people speak out, stuff gets done. So please call it out. Stop letting things just slide. It might seem like a friend making a crude joke u don’t think is funny but you don’t say anything. But if your friend is a judge, prosecutor, police officer, public defender, doctor, nurse. They could cost someone their life. It’s that serious. You and your white skin speaking on behalf of justice will move mountains. That’s the only way things will change in this country
What effect would the class that Jane Elliet educates
on racism have on white fragility?
She is confronting white fragility head on in her classes. Some will learn their lessons and some may dig their heels in even deeper. Depends on how much denial the person is in.
ALL I CAN SAY IS WOAH!!!!!! I’ve never heard such a powerful and extremely clear definition of such a superior STATE OF WHITE MIND before. All of a sudden, a bubble has been burst and muddy waters become clearer... and where I was once blind, ...I SEE.
I absolutely loved this and sent it to friends. So relevant and important!
Columbus Moore Yes it is! I did too!
Did you send it to your wifes boyfriend too?
ᛟ No, but close. I sent it to my husband’s boyfriend. Touché!
ᛟaww butthurt much?
aww nope! are you?
Her works should be required reading for all, even the so called enlightened one!
I just said the same thing today at work. One of our Sr. Executive VP's is going to develop trainings based on her work.
Her works should be used as toilet paper at best.
We are free to chose to read what we want. No one should be forced to read ones agenda. Freedom of choice
Why are you so dumb
I truly appreciate the great work that Robin DiAngelo is spearheading with publishing this book and discussing this extremely important matter for all of humanity. However, she did make a very troubling statement (perhaps without really thinking it through before she said it), nevertheless; troubling and quite arguably and historically noted: UNTRUE. The statement she made is "White Fragility mindsets held by white people is killing Black People." The statement was made in the presentation at Washington University on youtube. No one can forever curse what GOD himself has BLESSED. "BLACK" people are BLESSED!"BLACK people are LIFE. NOONE can kill LIFE!! Let me just say: No matter how evil racist people may try to Kill black people (and trust me throughout history we have seen this being attempted vehemently by Evil, Truly Evil White Supremacists), People of primarily African/Nubian ancestry will forever live on. The African genome is HOLY no matter what some antagonists have tried to brainwash the general public into believing. The people of African descent will forever live on. For God Almighty Himself has declared them HIS people for all eternity. Faith keeps the promise of Worldwide Glory Redemption alive and well. The blood of Jesus will always be the greatest power in all creation. This Resurrection Power will be demonstrated by the Global Triumphant Overabundant Restoration of the people of GOD, in this lifetime, IN THE LAND OF THE LIVING! What the evil intended for their harm, GOD is faithful to turn it all around for their GOOD. For all the naysayers: Just keep watching. Sill, Black Rises!!!!
You said all these and yet many Black lives have been lost to the system of White Supremacy
Racism will not bring us to extinction. I do believe God will not allow that, but institutionalized racism has killed many of us. The constant stress it brings contributes to our higher levels of hypertension. I'm normally a calm and relaxed person, but racism creates a condition of low grade stress that is constantly running in the background. It puts you in a fight or flight mode, even when we're unaware of it. That makes your body produce more adrenaline, which raises cholesterol levels. That's just one way it's killing black people. It's more than Bubba with a gun or a noose. Then we're more vunerable to the Coronavirus because of conditions too many of us find ourselves in as a result of institutionalized racism. It's incidious.
@@mhharley 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 absolutely bonkers.
You stress levels are creating high cholesterol so it's white supremacists are killing you????
Maybe it's all the bad foods you are eating is causing this & I said YOU.
It's your life your choice. If you keep seeing racism around every corner you will get nowhere. It's a crutch for failure.
Why would God only lift up and protect black people? It sounds racist.
Children cannot cope with their emotions so adults teach them how to. Growing up helps children become adults and they should have mechanisms in place to deal with the world. I don't think you have & many black people fall into this category.
@@sageonion533 I eat fine. Go play in heavy traffic A-hole.
Well said
DiAngelo's book is very much like the other book she wrote about black people and what black people are like when it comes to racism. You know the one: *'Black Hypersensitivity: Why It's So Hard for Black People to Talk About Racism'* where she explains how black people presuppose that a person must be racist if they are white.
What's that you say? That's not true and that book doesn't exist? You mean there isn't a book about what black people are like because that would characterise and condemn a whole group of people based on skin colour?
_And that would be wrong why exactly?_
boy you sure missed the point...!
@@TheMarapasa OK, jew.
Teddy you’re the lowest vibrational force and the shame of amerikkka
You obviously missed that bus buddy and you perfectly prove her points. LOL. And you cannot make me feel uncomfortable for my comment.
@@mhharley Would you care to engage with what goldeneddie actually said? I mean, you can actually argue a point, right?
"I'm gonna take care of myself and have a no white people weekend"
"I'm gonna take care of myself and have a no black people weekend"
ones racist one is fine i guess
Bill "I supported Civil Rights" Maher
Black people? we need to create global economic infrastructures, ie. schools, hospitals, clinics, etc. that support Black people globally, so we are not adversely affected by the racism we speak of everyday!!!! We have the power to protect each other and promote each other financially and economically, yet we would rather talk about how racist white people can be that to help each other grow past it globally........If we as Black people do not help each other economically and financially, what good is it to talk about racism???!!!!
Criticizing an idea proves the idea. Hmmm, how does that work?
This is not an actual viable idea. While it might be true that criticism of white fragility means the person has racial prejudices, it could also be legitimate. Shutting down all criticism as white fragility does mot make the idea of systemic racism or white supremacy true, nor does some sort of appeal to lived experience. These are cult-like ideas dressed up in academic language. These ideas should be treated like Scientology, not like accepted science.
These people seem to offer no solutions.
This comment section is FULL of White people doing EXACTLY what she said they do😂😂😂😂😂
Your jewish fragility is showing.
Teddy 😂😂😂😂you mad MAD
So true! So dissappointingly true! Ego-madness I suspect!
I was at a friends place once playing a video game with someone and we were having trouble on a game, so we had to start really planning stuff out, but we kept dying.
When we died we’d have a response, like “aww shit”, but it was just a small little comment, as you do.
But his roommate started acting like we were getting really upset about it, and after like three times dying with him laughing because of how “mad” we were, we started actually getting mad at him.
People don’t only get mad at being called racist when they’re racist, they also get mad when they’re not racist lol.
Seems like common sense to me.
If saying you aren’t racist is a sign of racism, then you are saying racism will never be gone, because if it is, people will say “I’m not racist” if asked.
This is literally a con. She’s getting rich pretending to care about people.
@@ard1805 yes.....it will never end cause people who cant experience it want to define how it works lol
Amazing. Freakin' truth. Straight up.
24:34 "fragility: why its so hard for people to talk about racism" why is this so funny
White “sensitivity”. Is that better than fragility? Whatever is making the message hard to receive by all, if your mind is open there is no resistance. Don’t argue what you don’t know. But that’s too much to ask. It’s empowering to everyone, just walk on by. By stopping and making a scene you in fact are showing your closed mindedness. That’s across the board.
I think it all boils down to being closed minded. If we weren’t “given” anything then no one would expect it. It’s more prevalent in America because white people are perceived to be given things at a higher rate, so the expectation is higher, this leads to feeling entitled. Kids are a prime example, spoiled versus not spoiled. It’s just systemic so it’s complex and individuals can’t comprehend in life the differences if they don’t experience them. But it requires openness of the mind. So I think the solution is to focus on the mind being open, not the racial disparity.
Brilliant interview!
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Why are you writing and speaking in English?
So Robin, are you racist? No fluffy, ambiguous answers. Do you feel within you that whiteness is superior?
Nevermind, she answered herself; just needed to wait a few minutes. 40:52 "There's a deep investment in white supremacy; I have it" LOL
And 41:38 "I have a racist worldview" LOL
She is a white supremacist with a guilty conscience....and then assumes ever other white person is racist. I wouldn't doubt that she thinks exhaustively of race all the time. Its her lens in seeing the world. Instead of realizing how terrible and ideologically possessed that is, she attempts to shame other white people for not buying into her garbage. She then blames it all on others, naturally.
@@jeremythompson5151 Exactly! I had heard people say precisely this about her before I knew what she was about. I couldn't believe it were true...but it is.
Very expensive bog roll
I love Sasha Baron Cohen
He's a Mossad sayan
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Reset Race Podcast brought me here.
ruclips.net/video/corv4Y5iY18/видео.html
#rep1
If white liberals are problematic, what are your recommendations to change this perspective to understand that these sector of people are working for the common good?
I mean white progressives...
Just more listening. People are problomatic and ego is usually our problem. Humbling ourselves when we don't know instead of assumptions can be hugely helpful.
White liberals do not work for the common good. Progressives do everything only for their own advantage. Liberals are overwhelmingly policy nuts and control freaks.
yeah, u one of those with the big "D" on their forehead The D is for DENIAL ......lol
You still as dumb as the first time you showed up here
Absolute crap
Succinctly and well put.
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Dialing 911 is an "act of violence"... pshaw
Cause cops have never been a threat to anyone...ever.
It’s sending your “dogs” in for a non threat. So yeah, it’s an act of violence.
'White fragility' is kinda like the 'Indian fragility' native tribes felt after losing land to the colonial settlers.
@LUIS VELEZ Your mexican fragility is showing. why are you so sensitive?