Why You Need A Motorcycle Vest and Full Gear - What Went Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Educational Analysis of Motorcycle Incident
🏍️ In this short but intense video, I share the real footage of my motorcycle crash on the 2024 Triumph Scrambler 400X during a review for my channel. 😱 Watch closely and see if you can spot the mistake that led to the accident on this brand-new bike with fresh tires. 🛞 Your insights could help fellow riders avoid similar incidents. Don't forget to comment with your thoughts and subscribe for more honest reviews and motorcycle adventures! 👍
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What are your thoughts? Is this a combination of many factors?
Yes ! Tire for sure. Hard to watch you down Rembo 😢
Hey Rembo, that came as a complete shock! This is definitely NOT your fault. I think it’s definitely gravel & being an industrial area it most definitely is spilled diesel that doesn’t evaporate like spilled petrol. It leaves an oily residue. That was a descent whack!
There's no oil, diesel, or gravel. And you go down before the drain holes, and its not as though it was sweet anyway, or that you were braking hard up to an apex on stone cold brand new tires. It's a mystery. The only conclusion I can think of is either the mechanic wet mad with chain lube and it dripped all over the tires (which were new and cold to compound that), or a salesman went liberal with the silicon spray, aa common showroom trick to make new bikes look glossy, shiny, and appealing - but doesn't mix well with rubber. Either way, don't crucify yourself over-analyzing. I've ridden 500k, ridden maybe 350-400 bikes, and owned 40, and after much training (Dakar, WSBK, Police), I've still no idea what caused it. The main thing is you are going to be okay. And life is too short to waste pondering over intangibles. Glad you'll be fine and will continue to ride. It'll make me treat my collection of a new GS13 Opt 719 tomorrow with a little more respect!
Cold tire ?
Heal soon brother!
My PTSD was activated. This is exactly how I went down. I didn’t break anything other than my skin and ego. Got is on video though…😂 ruclips.net/video/SCb2pQ2yzyI/видео.htmlsi=ZjGGXTz4E4YVuv56
I got to tell you Rembo, I don’t see a mistake on your part. The transition to the turn and the turn itself is smooth as silk. This makes your crash all the more scary because there’s nothing to “correct” in the future. You are a strong man for your self evaluation, sharing, and discussion of getting back on your bike again. Good on you Rembo. Get yourself healed up.
Thank you Chris.
I second this. The worst thing is not knowing why you crash; because then you can fix it. I have no idea about your crash. I know a guy who runs sandpaper around the edges of his new tires before he gets them put on; this looks like super slippery, brand new tires.
The bike must have new tyres on it, all I can think of is new tyres need scrubbing. They are pretty slick in the first 100 miles of use. There are wet patches on the road so it could be the tyres were slightly wet from a damp section a few yards prior and that added to the already slick new tyres, can deffo cause that.
I like that you’re analyzing and have a good attitude about all this. Seriously good to see you’re out of hospital. Thanks for the update
You are welcome. Thank you for taking the time to post.
glad you are back home. I slowed the video to 0.25 on YT and watched it a few times. Looks like you were around 27-28 MPH and in 4th gear when turning; the tire just tucked. Don't see any oil on the road so perhaps combination of brand new + cold tires. Sorry to hear your pain... I have had my share of crashes so feel you. Get better soon!
Thank you for taking the time to analyze for me. I appreciate it. Ride safe.
The tires on the scrambler have high sidewall, are knobby and were new. My guess is with that bike you have to ride it with very little lean - especially considering the tires were cold and new. Glad to see you upright making a video. Get well and thanks for posting…
Excellent points with the type of tires they are
Rembo, buddy you are tougher than nails. So glad you’re on the mend and have not lost that positive outlook on vlogging motorcycles. On a side note, I’m waiting for my Klim Ai-1 airbag vest to be delivered today. What sold me on it is that it’s an electronic algorithm airbag. I’ve read where it will deploy quicker than you can blink. Also, the battery canister is positioned off to the side of your back and not directly pressing on the spine. One downside is that you have to pay a monthly or annual subscription to keep it active. But with that comes software updates ensuring that you always have the latest, greatest and safest technology. I’m in no way associated with Klim, just a consumer who did his research and shop comparison.
Thanks for sharing that information with our group. I appreciate you taking the time to post
Total guess here...
It is impossible to tell how much pressure you put on the front brake from the video.
I think a combination of new/cold tires and the initial application of the front brake after the bike was already leaned over significantly, caused the front tire to tuck.
Under normal circumstances you should be able to do what you did here and not crash if you have a very light touch on the front brake...I have done this myself with no crashes using a light touch on the front brake, though it is not ideal.
When trail braking you want to apply the front brake before leaning the bike over. This allows the suspension to compress and weight to go to the tire before you also put additional traction stress by leaning over. The combination of a new and stressed tire at lean might have made it through but the additional stress of the front brake was the final straw.
Glad you are recovering and want to learn from it...I have been in the same shoes in my riding career as well.
Get well,
Kevin
Thanks Kevin. I've honestly been through that corner hundreds of time on dozens of different bikes and this one really has me perplexed.. I cover the front brake with 2 fingers but had no reason to hit it. If you want to use this video for any training. Let me know and I will send you the original footage.
Pełna zgoda, do tego wyżej środek ciężkości przy małej wadze motocykla
Look at the damage that was caused to you travelling well within the speed limit, riding safely and well with your capability. We should all take away the fact that any off on a bike can have serious consequences regardless of the speed. As the saying goes, dress for the slide not the ride. Glad to see you’re up and about.
Thank you for posting and offering your observations. Always appreciated.
Great to see you are back and man it’s unreal to I have the energy to even record this video for all of us to learn. Very much appreciate it, thank you and speedy recovery. I am perplexed on how this happened, it’s almost like they removed the ground from
Under you, had to be oil or something slippery on the road. From video didn’t even look like an aggressive lean and speed was average. 😮
Yes, I am very perplexed, which is why I’m just blaming myself, but I know I did not grab the front break. Even if I did, I’m very light on the brakes and nothing like that would’ve ever happened under normal circumstances.
Enduro-type thread + slick new tires (still have residual release compound to be worn off) + sharper turning radius = front end washout. I've always been warned to take it easy on new tires, especially with lean angles, until the release compound is worn-off (typically 100 miles of riding).
Thanks for the info!
Do they even use the release compound on modern tires anymore? I know on all the street tires I've ever used they moved away from a release compound years ago because modern molds don't need it. I've taken sticker tires and gone edge to edge on them within a 0.5 miles and it's not been an issue. The manufacturer's reps I've talked with pretty much all say the same thing, they still recommend the 100 miles only because you're coming off an old squared off tire onto a new one with a proper profile and it'll feel a lot diferent.
I experienced something similar. It was a couple of droplets of hydraulic oil on the road. Impossible to see
Glad to see you back in the garage and taking time for all of us. Jarhead out!
You are welcome. Thank you for posting.
Hope you’re feeling much better now Rembo. Been missing your reviews/updates on your pikes peak. 👍🇬🇧
Working on it!
I just knew ,I wish you well and Full recovery , i can see a dark line when you were turning left probably oil or something .
At 3:09 that looks like an oil or fluid small patch. Get well soon so you can get back in the saddle
I have to go back when I feel better to take a better look.
Well whatever is was I’m glad to see you out of hospital and making good progress. Take it easy, look forward to seeing you back on a bike again soon
Wow! That really shouldn't have happened.
I low sided back when I first started out, due to old tires, flat spotted and cutting too wide and on the outer gravel lane outside of a corner. Didn't injure me(gloves, helmet, jeans, high top shoes and leather jacket), at 35ish mph but it totally killed my confidence in bikes for awhile.
Perhaps there was some oil on your tire or something?
I would not have expected that many serous injuries either at such a low speed with proper gear. Broken collar bone at most, I would think.
Hope you have a quick recovery!
Thank you for all those videos and it is a pity you fell. Here’s wishing you a speedy recovery….
Thank you kindly
Sorry about your crash mate. The video does not show anything out of ordinary. Just a regular turn not much of a lean angle and then the fall. It sucks really, I am glad you was not on a heavier bike.
Did you slide all the way to the curb and hit it or were all the broken bones just from the fall?
I've been riding track for a few years now and had my share of crashes. I am 37 and so far managed to walk away even from high speed ones.
It's scary to put things into perspective and see how fragile our bodies can be.
Stay strong mate, quick recovery and hope to see you riding soon!
I wasn’t anywhere near the curb when I fell. I crawled back to the curb. At 30 miles an hour with an abrupt fall that had almost 0 lean angle, it wasn’t like I low sided at the track around the corner and just slid. This one was completely awkward and just hammered me into the ground unexpectedly. I’ve been fortunate my whole life with every accident to not really get injured so this one was quite the setback because, there was no expectation that anything was gonna happen. Thanks for posting and reaching out.
Very unfortunate... Thanks for the information and get well soon!
Thank you for the well wishes.
Glad to see you back home, thanks for sharing the footage, it does look like the front brake was the trigger, hope you sharing the footage and talking about what happened will save others, as well convince others to buy an air vest, it is sure cheaper than an ambulance trip. I am 55 and I know if I go down now, I need all the protection I can get, I was looking for a while at the Dainese smart D air , but did not pull the trigger yet, that is going to change.
I have to assess all brands and models. I have the D-Air in my Dianese race suit but I am not thrilled with the body coverage.
@@RemboUSMC Yes, Alpinestars Tech Air 5 seems to have better coverage area
What a freak accident. I can’t help but wonder if it was mechanical. I’ve had some pucker moments on gravel and oil and I was leaning a lot more than you were. I’m happy to see you out of the hospital.
Yes, absolutely no warning whatsoever and I wasn’t even deep into the turn. Makes no sense.
Rambo, I wish you a speedy recovery, and am glad to hear that you are planning on using an airbag. Last September I dropped a wheel going around a curve on a mountain road resulting in a high side that launched me at least 10’ in the air, landing on my face and shoulder. I was wearing an Alpinestars Tech 5 airbag. I ended up with a mild concussion, and a torn ligament in my thumb from the handlebars. Without it I suspect I would be in worse shape than you. I won’t ride without it.
That’s a rather amazing story with the airbag. This is definitely going to be an absolute mandatory to ride with an airbag vest.
Glad to see you are home. Wow, that was hard to watch. I am just glad you are recovering nicely.
Thank you for taking the time to post. You’re right, it’s not easy to watch, but I hope it’s a lesson learned for everyone out there.
@@RemboUSMC After a bus pulled out in front of my husband and he went down with multiple injuries, I could not get out of my head and get back out on 2 wheels. I am quite happy on 3 wheels now. I am still very cautious, but I appreciate being able to get o out in the wind minus the fear of those turns. Ride safe!
Glad to see you back at home!
Me too!!!
Had almost the same thing happen to me last year in Spain on my Multistrada V4S, only I was doing about 50-60 mph, Front folded much the same on a left hand bend, forks of the bike hit the armco post and smashed to pieces, luckily I went the opposite way although the bike overtook me and hit me in the back! Result - two broken ribs, a lot of bruises and six stitches in my arm, the bike got shipped back to the UK on a pallet and was never seen again. Like you, don't really know what happened. The main lesson is yep, travel insurance can be expensive but never go touring without it! I had a Diavel V4 but had to change that after a tour to Morocco! I now have a Multi V4 Rally travel & radar which I am taking back to Spain next week! Speedy recovery and take it easy.
Thank you for sharing your story. I appreciate it and hopefully others will learn.
Good to see that you're on the mend!!!
As with many crash analysis it's probably a combination of everything you said
My similar crashes were mostly either too much or too little brake . . . with some degree of too much or too little throttle . . . and topped off with my timing being a little off for that particular situation
What matters is that you're in one piece, and that you get to ride again!!!
To a speedy and complete recovery!!!
Thank you very much. I’d certainly appreciate it.
Watching the video, I just can't see where any rider input was significant enough to cause this. My instinct is new tires are even "worse" than we think they are. Scrub in may even take longer than we think base on past experience. Another thought is there was some contaminating fluid (residue) on the front tire that was there from being wheeled around in the shop. I had a bicycle that had some silicon lubricant on front tire, small patch, that the bike was pushed through in the garage. What a shock to me when that front washed out. I was going 3 mph walking speed but still really twisted my knee and strained my wrist.
I believe the tires are a piece of shit to be quite honest with you.
Glad you are back on your feet. I had wondered if it was diesel on the road or the tyres. I had a similar experience on a slow bend immediately after fuelling because tyres had been leaned over, resting on the diesel residue patch of all the other spilled fuel whilst I was filling up, and the first turn I encountered, both wheels slipped in exactly the same way.
Luckily I didn’t go down as I was on the multiV4s and would have done some damage, but I just caught it with my foot.
Glad you were lucky and nothing happened.
Glad you are ok. What is wild is a 30mph off did so much damage even when you had a motorcycle ce rated jacket. Also lucky no cars around. I had the tech air 5 and liked it. I think the tech air 7x has more ventilation and both street and race mode. Since you go on the track that would be my recommendation.
PS not sure what you did wrong. I suspect gravel or something on the road. Also with a lighter bike I find there is not enough grip in front wheel until you are on the brakes pushing the front tire down. Like all the smaller cc 300 lb bikes
Very good thoughts. I’m still wondering what happened. Thank you for reaching out.
"Glad you are ok"
- I don't think this qualifies as an ok. I am a novice rider and I crashed badly at a much higher speed and got away with bruises and I'd say I was lucky
This was a low speed crash and he broke bones even though he was geared up😢
Cold tires? Tire pressure perhaps wrong on the front? I also think you hit some gravel or oil... That front tire just folded as soon as you started to lean in. Crazy
It was quite a surprise to me.
I don’t know why you fell Rembo. It’s a mystery to me buddy. It doesn’t look like there was any oil or gravel on the road! It sounded like you were in a lot of pain there. I hope you have a speedy recovery mate.
Thank you. I’ll be wondering about this one for a while.
I don't see any mistake mate. Wish you all the best 🫶🏽
Thank you. No one sees anything done wrong. This is the scary part.
@@RemboUSMC Hope you don’t let it be scary mate. Sometimes what seems to be bad things happen, and maybe in some time we realize that something amazingly good comes out of it, even if initially we took it as bad. Cheers 🫶🏽
You just happened to do this as I've been looking into airbag vests as well, I guess sooner than later now.
Glad you're recovering. The front wheel definitely washed out on you. These smaller bikes lack the physical traction and electronics sophistication found in the larger bikes we're used to riding.
Hope you get well soon!
Hey man, thanks for posting and commenting. I appreciate it. I think we both need to do some serious investigating into airbags. I’m going to start doing a deep dive as to the best overall quality with the best electronics. I want really good coverage but I also wanna make sure that with a low side like this, it’s going to deploy
@@RemboUSMC Definitely. I've also been trying to comb through which is the most user-friendly and the benefits of wearing it external to your riding jacket versus internal etc. shoot me a message whenever you get close to deciding on something, we might be able to test two different systems to give the community a better comparative look.
This raises an interesting point keeping in mind this is a bike aimed at beginner riders.., hypothesising that it could have been an unconscious brake grab would a IMU based cornering abs system of saved you?
These systems are normally found on bigger more expensive bikes but could prove to be a valuable safety aid for a newer rider considering it can happen to the best of us given the right circumstances.
That is a very thought-provoking statement you made. Thank you for bringing that viewpoint.
28 mph, nothing visible on the dry road, clear sunny day. I don't see any way that you could have anticipated what happened. Definitely concerning when a good rider goes down with no visible cause. Could have easily been any one of us. Not everyone would have shared this incident with the world. Many thanks for helping us all. Wishing you a speedy recovery my friend.
Thank you for your words and well wishes. Always appreciated ride safe out there.
I ended up getting a Tech Air 5 for road and track after seeing you and itchy boots crash. If it happened to you guys, it can happen to me.
Great choice. Ride safe!
DanDan needs to look at this. I’m baffled. Speedy recovery to you sir!
Well, make sure that Dan gets it. Thank you for posting.
@@RemboUSMC @DanDanTheFireman I can’t tag him for some reason.
I wont watch this in full as i dont like watching anyone crash however I'm happy to see you out of hospital. Take care of yourself as always sir.
Glad you are recovering. It was painful to watch, can't imagine what you went through. All I can think is "the brakes were TOO good." I didn't see anything on the road that might have contributed. Hope your recuperation is Speed-y.
Thank you very much Tony.
Glad you’re ok and out of the hospital, brother. Self-evaluation and awareness are basic and essential and are the foundations of all MSF Rider Courses. Based on very limited info, and only one restricted view, my opinion as a M/C safety pro would be strictly conjecture. I believe you’ve already hit on the majority of the causes for your crash. unfamiliar bike, cold new tires (likely 80/20 ADV tires), and likely some frictionally-challenged pavement in that RH corner was enough to overwhelm the front while trail braking in that turn. While no one is perfect, I’ll assume that since you’re an experienced track and street rider that you didn’t grab the lever and that you properly set the front with your initial brake squeeze. You did state it was 2-finger braking which would normally be perfect for trailing the brakes.
My recommendations, besides upgrading your gear to include an air vest/jacket, is to ensure that both the tires and yourself are warmed-up and ready to go. On new tires I’ll do gradual swerves to help warm/clean the tires, and I’d do gradual circles in a pkg lot in 2nd gear at relatively low speed (15-20mph) with progressive lean until I scrub the tires to their edges. Repeat on both sides. Easy and slow is the key. The older BRC curriculum had this as a riding exercise with two constant-radius arcs painted on the range to form a small oval “track” which I used to scrub all my tires.
When starting out on each ride, I basically do the old ERC Ex. 1 which was just a warm-up and weed-out for my students: slow weaves (constant speed, 2nd gear, no clutch) with two (and even one hand) on the RH grip…warmup for you). You can add slow friction-zone weaves as well,. This serves to warm and clean the tires, although LEO’s aren’t amused and may think that you’re waiving to gain their attention for assistance (ask me how I know). I do this slowly on an unoccupied 25mph road. After a while, I’ll add quick stops (no one is behind me). When I’m sure my tires are warm/clean, I add swerves to the mix, using manholes or pavement markings as bogeys to avoid. Within 15mins (extremely low temp weather not-withstanding), my tires are warm/clean, and so am I. I find this ensures that my bike and I are ready to ride, and I know I can avoid an obstacle via swerves or quick stop braking. If I don’t do this, especially after any period off the bike, I find that my riding isn’t sharp as my basic skills have mild rust and not where they should be after nearly 40yrs of safe riding, and 20 yrs teaching same.
II’ve recommended this to all my ERC/ARC students over my 20yr teaching career. I know it sounds simple and/or tedious, but like doing a TCLOCS pre-ride inspection, once you’re used to doing it, it takes no time and becomes wrote habit. Just my $0.02.
Excellent information, Kevin. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge with our group.
@@RemboUSMCTYVM, brother! That is indeed a compliment coming from you especially! I’m all about safety and I do what I do out of genuine concern for riders and the gen public. We’ve all had our own issues as career riders, and it was very alarming to see you get hurt like that. You really didn’t do wrong per se, you were a victim of a relatively minor chain of events that ultimately culminated in you having a bad day. This could and does happen to anyone regardless of experience or skill level (ask me how I know). Fortunately, you are a safe, skilled rider who knows the value of skills, M/C maintenance, and PPE riding gear.
What tire was on the bike? We all know that there are a ton of different compounds and tread designs and some tires are better than others. For instance, on my GMC Canyon the Goodyears that it came with are total crap and have little traction, but the Pirelli Scorpions are amazing.
At 3:07-3:08 you hit a patch of oil or fuel in the road. Wishing you speedy a recovery
I plan on going back when I feel a little better to get a good look
Not your fault or the tires. To everyone saying the tires were cold, that's not a thing in south Florida 😂. There's oil or some fluid on the road. Get well soon!
Great point!
On brand new tires it can 100% happen and has happened to me twice, once when I left the shop and once when I was track prepping my bike and went to bed in the brake pads and had a brand new rear on. Thankfully I caught both but it can most certainly happen on new or cold tires (especially if bike is garage kept or just came out of the dealership floor).
Been there done this. It happened to me on a brand new bike also. It was the surface rubber on the tires from sitting in crate during shipping. The tires have a slippery coating on them until they break in. The dealership swapped the rubber out for me at no cost and the bike was fine after that. Most of your turns up to that point we're all left turns. The point at which you crashed, was the first right turn while you were filming. I bet the tires on the bike are the culprit.
I’m starting to think you are right because the only true right turn I made was entering into that circle. After that, everything was a left-hand turn.
Was it a traffic circle that you were entering? If so, that's exactly how I crashed. I entered a traffic circle and started turning left and the bike just came out from underneath me. No warning. I was test driving a bike that I eventually bought. The dealership felt that the tires were the culprit so they just swapped them out .
I have been using a Helite airbag for years plus riding gear. I have beem waiting for the electronics to catch up to eliminate the tether. If you find some good airbags in the future please let us know. Especially ones that will qlso deploy on a low side
Thanks for sharing
Hello, glad you are okay! Would it be okay to use it in compilations and maybe on some of ours Social Networks? You will get full credit for it. Thanks
Yes, as long as I get complete full credit
@@RemboUSMC Thanks a lot :)
I’m at a loss on what caused this, but does anyone wonder if the bike had lean sensitive abs brakes, it might have helped? Probably not, but worth asking?
At any rate… get well soon!
It has ABS but I was not braking at all. Everyone is at a loss about why.
With a chain drive 400cc engine, at this low speed to lose the front like that, could be low air pressure in the tyre and (only you can answer this second reason ) a little too much break on the front wheel and third , the Tyres weren’t heated enough because you were about to begin the ride. couldn’t recognize any slippery matter in the ground but it could be also a reason, didn’t detect the Tyre giving or sliding , nothing. That can happen like we saw but under simultaneous intervention of causes. It’s not one thing alone. It’s good to see you out of that hospital bed! 💪
Thanks. It is good to be out of the hospital.
I'm going to go with tires not yet scrubbed in or improper inflation. Get well soon. I ordered a new vest too!
Glad you’re getting a vest. You never know.
to me it looks like the front tire hit oil or something in the road, had to be the way the bike just slammed down, no way it was from cold tires or anything you did, the bike just folded up, I said after I slammed into a deer I would always wear an airbag I have not worn it as much as I should , (TECH AIR5) I will be now. Going to Moab again next week riding my multi RS 4500 miles, airbag and klim suit will be on at all times, speedy recovery thank you for sharing this video and more importantly we are happy you are still with us , you'll be back on the horse MARINE.
Thank you for the words of encouragement and for posting. I really appreciate it.
Sorry that happened to you, Rembo!
All good to feature it? Full credits will be given to you, of course. Thanks!
Go ahead!
Absent a mechanical failure locking the front wheel, it appears that you may have been more focused on speaking about the bike than piloting it and while already partially leaned into the turn it appears that you refocused on the turn and instead of increasing your lean angle you instead quickly turned the handlebars slightly and that’s when the front end tucked under you. As the end of the video shows when the camera is parallel to the road, the surface is exceptionally smooth, with an almost polished appearance. I believe these 2 factors (momentary loss of focus then a corrective action, along with an exceptionally smooth road surface) caused the accident. Thanks for all of the videos you’ve made, and I’ve enjoyed watching, and get well soon!
Very possible. Thank you.
I wish you a speedy recovery! May I use this video in my new episode? Credited of course
You can use it if you put it up and away that people learn that sometimes there’s nothing you can do
@@RemboUSMC Thanks!
That wasn't a Nice Watch at all. Amazing what damage can be done to the human body at low speed. Stay strong Geoff. 👍
Thanks 👍
I agree with your assessment. I wouldn't be so quick to blame new tires. I always get a kick out of reviewers testing new bikes. They'll nail the throttle to test acceleration. Then they'll slam on the brakes to test the mighty Bimbos. Then they'll "be cautious" going around corners. If the tires stuck with the engine WFO and the bike stopped w/o sliding all over creation, the tire has plenty of grip to go around corners.
If anything, the lack time to build a little heat in them may have contributed.
Worse, I don't particularly like all the race advice people are given to ride on the road. This idea of trail braking all the time is unnecessary and dangerous. As you mentioned, streets aren't manicured like race tracks and a little sand or oil could easily be the difference between tucking or not. And then there's the mighty Bimbos all these bikes use now that are complete overkill. Riding well is about riding smooth. Making smooth transitions on the controls requires modulation. If you got half an inch of travel in the lever, why not have the brakes get progressively stronger over 1/2 an inch? Why would anyone prefer everything reacting like a light switch?
If one feels the need for a little extra stability in a street corner, maybe try a dab of rear brake. That won't tuck the front and the rear stepping out is ever so much easier to save.
Excellent observation and recommendations. I appreciate you taking the time to post this well thought out response.
First of all, get well soon, it's a sad situation. The problem seems to be largely related to the tires. The physical structure of the tire and its coldness may have been effective. When the tire is cold, it is necessary to turn slower and use the counter technique. At a certain point, it is as if you suddenly pulled the right side towards you, you did not pull the handlebar with the same acceleration, in fact, if you had pushed the right handle forward while turning right, you could have turned with the same acceleration.
Oof , So sorry man. Those situations never feel good. Looks like the tire just said, "welp I don't feel like griping right now" which makes me wonder if it was a combo of improper scrub in and picking up some oil or diesel contamination on the road just prior. I didn't see any sand which I've personally been down from in the past... Glad your able to analyze and be objective. Recover quickly! My best -Jedz
We may never know.
@@RemboUSMCrest easy man, also bummer about dropping the new Triumph.
Im going with: Gave it throttle and unloaded the front tire right when it needed grip the most in that turn in before the apex. Curious as to what tires and pressure was in them? Could be that with adventure style tires having a much stiffer carcus and sidewall they gave up traction in cornering for stability off road. Were they hot yet? Suspension a bit light in the rear for your weight maybe, that would definitely exaggerate the front being unloaded on acceleration and further limit the likely stiff adv tires abilities to grip onnthe side in that corner. Idk just thoughts.
Could have been an angry ghost.
Appreciate you sharing the ride for us to view retrospectively.
I have absolutely no idea what the pressures were because I was given the bike directly from the dealer. I don’t typically check them, I rely on what they set them at. Maybe I need to change the way I do that. Also, adventure, tires, and what appears to be an oil patch
Ultimately, it's ALWAYS the Rider....that aside, TIRES? Condition? Tread? Cold/warm? Bottom line, YOU exceeded their ability to grip during the tip-in lean....NO adhesion.
True. Unknowingly
Oh lordy, that sounded painful as hell, you were not even going that quick, the front just went man.. speedy recovery rembo ..
Thank you sir.
@RemboUSMC I am currently looking at airbag vests here in the UK after watching that. I have broken ribs I know what it's like but man that's another level what you've done at a relatively low speed, Dainese d-air smart vest looks good and there are some offers at the moment, I'll keep watch and see what you go for later on. Get well soon rembo 🙏
Probably the biggest thing is that his bike is significantly different from what you were used to riding. At one point you call out that the bike is taller which you wouldn't have noticed if that was your normal bike. Also, it kind of looks like you were very close to the yellow paint stripes just before the turn. The bike might have been completely out from under you, which might account for the severity of the injuries as you slam into ground.
Great observation. On my channel I've reviewed lots of bikes in this same spot and have taken that corner hundreds of times on all sorts of motorcycles. This one has me wondering.
Man, I always hate it when a rider goes down. Hope you are recovering ok… semper stare!
Thanks, I really appreciate it.
strange crash. Maybeel knoobie tires?! it looks like tires simply lost all the grip even with an angle not that high or maybe engine stalled while leaning right
No engine stall that I felt or could hear. It was a strange crash for sure.
I'm no expert but I would speculate it was a combo of something on the road surface (oil/fuel) and new tires. Hope your recovery continues to go well. You were going under 30mph so speed not an issue.
Thank you very much.
Oil slick at minute 3:03 beside the yellow line?
I will have to see. When I get a little better, I am taking a trip to the crash site.
i watched this 50x start and stop and slow frame. No idea what went wrong. road surface seemed clean from any dark oil spots and hard to see if maybe gravel ? man, thanks for sharing but i don’t see anything you did wrong at all dude. heal up brother.
Thank you very much for watching. Everyone including myself is kind of bewildered on this. We all think it’s a combination of just brand new tires that weren’t scrubbed in, probably some gravel or loose dirt or sand on the corner and just bad timing.
Honestly really hard watching you go down. I will always ride with an airbag vest. There are several great options now. I use KLIM & Daren uses Alpinestars.
Thanks for sharing!
That's a lot of physical damage for a low speed, low side fall. I hope you recover well, especially at our age. There looks to be a patch on the tarmac but you seem to avoid it pretty well. Entry looked fine and no ridiculous lean. Normally only a good handful of front brake or panic braking could cause that so I'm thinking gravel (can't see it in the video) or those shitty tires which maybe weren't up to temp, but that's usually only a serious problem in Winter so hard to tell.
yeah, lots of damage to me for a 30mph lowside. No time to feather it out and it just slammed me to the ground without warning.
Ouch - that sucks. Glad you are okay. Hard to tell.....to be honest - combination of all you refer to. Heal up buddy.
Thank you very much.
Glad you are ok for the most part
Thank you
I believe it was not your mistake. Something slippery was on the road
Thank you.
Happened to me yesterday , it's a very sharp curve and also a downhill, on 3rd gear and engine breaking entering around 40-50kmph then my front tire just slip and I slide. I just don't know what happened it is so fast just realize I'm already on the ground , my right knee pad didn't save my knee still got scrapped and just minor scratches on ankle and hip. Luckily no broken bones.
Sorry to hear that. I hope that’s the worst of your injuries, and you recover quickly with your knee issue. Thank you for sharing with us.
Rembo good night. I have watched the video of the fall several times, I don't see any oil or gravel. Inexplicable how the motorcycle loses traction when turning right. Could the cause be the new tires? The serious injuries as a result of the fall are incredible. Greetings from Bogotá D.C. - COLOMBIA 🇨🇴 💪🏻
Thank you for posting. Stay safe riding in Columbia.
@@RemboUSMC Thanks Rambo...For now, patience and a good attitude in recovery. From my own experience I dare to recommend it. P.D. COLOMBIA 🇨🇴 not Columbia 🇺🇸
Sorry to see you going down in a video, I think the problem here is that tires are too new and slippery!!! The surface looks clean, with no signs of oil, and you are doing everything correct!! I 🤷🤷🤷
Thanks 👍
I don’t think that was your fault or cold tires. You were only going 30 mph, should easily make the turn even with cold new tires. It looks like oil or coolant stains on the road right before you start turn. You didn’t see it because it was in the shade from the trees then I noticed it as soon as the sun hit it but you were already turning in by then.
Those slow speed drops can hurt more because there is almost no slide, you just slam into pavement.
I am glad you are still with us 😊.
Get well soon and back on the horse!
Great observation. Thanks for sharing with us.
Cold tyres. Plus unlike the speed the upright bars mean your bodyweight is slightly further back.
Excellent observation about the bars
Well, I've had a good look, and the road looks OK, no excessive braking.
I don't think you did anything I wouldn't have done.
It could just be really new tyres still greasy.
Maybe worth checking the pressures who knows what state they were in.
Speedy recovery 🙏
I am very curious about the tire pressures
It appears there is some oil or something on the road just before the corner. Look at 3:07. Perhaps you picked some up before making the turn. Strange one and glad you’re ok!
Glad your ok ..looks a real mystery to me can't see anything you did wrong. Did you pick that bike up from a workshop or dealers maybe the front tyre had some oil or cleaner on it ? Anyway good too see you back.
It was a brand new bike directly off the dealership floor. I was just doing a review.
@@RemboUSMC The way it went down that front tyre must have something on it mate. If bikes went down that easy we would all be crashing every other week !!
Looked to me as though there was quite a bit of oversteer, which could have been caused by a loss of grip/traction on the front, possibly an oil slick or some loose gravel or some such?
That’s what I’m wondering. There are a lot of tractor trailers that come in and sit there in and around that area. It is an industrial area with a lot of tractor trailer activity.
I say the tyres were cold, and just plain bad luck man. I found that hard to watch. I was in the bike lane last month on my Tiger 660 and a 30 ton truck ran over my foot, not as bad as you but man it happens instantly right. Speedy recovery to you.
I think I agree with your opinion
Thank god the ferrari is ok tho
You're Right, a tethered Helite probably would not have gone off. However, it all depends where the attachment to the tether is on the bike. But don't rule out a Helite vest. I own Both, a Helite and a Tech-Air5.
The Tech-5 , even though you have about 40 hrs of charge, you do have to track it on the app. and make sure before you ride, what your state/% of charge is. And even though it's a proven system, there's always in the back of my head thinking, "Will this thing deploy if I really need it" ??
The Helite is Analog, it's fool proof, if 60lbs of pull force is on the tether, it WILL go off. And Helite can be re-charged and ready to go by a simple 60 Gram C02 swap.
But like I said, I own Both. I usually wear my Helite when I ride my Triumph Rocket-3R, and I wear my Tech-5 when I ride my Ducati Monster in the Twisties.
Heal up, lesson learned. 🤕
Thank you for sharing your information. It is helpful to the group.
Some type of lube oil or antifreeze must have been on parts of the front tire, I can't see how you would go down like that by looking at the clean asphalt you were on and barely leaning.
I agree
Wow. I am sure glad your okay.
Me too. It’s going to be a long road to recovery.
gonna say.. combination of what you determined.... but for me , I think the new tire is the biggest contributor...... Heal up thanks for sharing
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. I appreciate it.
Rembo look just B4 U start the turn in there is either Oil or Diesel fluid on the street just to your right. Get well soon and get out of Florida to many distracted drivers in that state.
Diesel fuel
I’m no expert but to me it looks like there had to be something on the road. I’ve done countless demo rides on new tires 100x more aggressive than that turn and never have come close to the front end tucking like that at such a slow speed. I have hit oil at about that same speed and have had instant front tire slide, luckily I saved it. Regardless, sorry that it happened, don’t beat yourself up, but good learning for us all. Heal up bud, glad it wasn’t worse. Get that airbag!
Man, I felt your pain as you were down and trying to breathe. Get well!!!!!
Thank you
i'm curious, did your vest have rib protecton? motorcycle vests seem to have elbow and shoulder protectors by default but not much at the rib area. it's such a vulnerable spot too.
I was not wearing an airbag vest, which is going to change before I ever get on a motorcycle ever again.
Hi! Would it be alright to use this video in my upcoming projects? Thanks for your response.
Yes
The roadway looked okay, but of course that can be deceiving. I didn’t hear you add throttle, but it does seem that, as you were already turned/leaned-in and saying “nimble, look at it,” you subconsciously added lean angle. For some reason, possibly the the fact that the tires were brand new and perhaps not conforming to (gripping) the asphalt surface, I think the additional lean angle forced the front tire beyond its traction limit. I’ve only crashed once on track and it was from introducing lean on cold tires, which is an extremely common mistake. (The difference is that my Arai full face helmet, gauntlet gloves, and two-piece leathers let me get away with just a sore thumb. All of my gear was scuffed, scraped or torn, but completely did its job. )
It’s great to see you out of the hospital and back in your garage. Kudos!
I definitely think you are onto something. I do agree that it appears as though I added some additional linking angle. The issue is it was an insignificant amount of lean angle for my typical writing style on almost any bike. It’s just caught me by surprise and was completely unexpected. Thank you very much for posting and sharing your thoughts.
You’re welcome!
What a list of injuries! Happy to see you are positive and on the way to recovery. Thank you for sharing the video, not everyone would have, hats off to you for that.
Obviously the front washed out at approx 25 - 28 MPH, hard to tell why. You had an initial lean in, then it seems you added a little more lean, as you did that, the front washed out.
Did you move your body causing the front suspension to have a change in load while leaning and or while adding more lean?
Did you still have some slight brake pressure on while going into the initial lean? Did you let go of the break pressure and then lean more or did you lean more with the same slight pressure?
Very odd sequence of events. Can't really see what your brake hand is doing.
They say the speed 400 is the better handling when compared to the 400X. Nevertheless, your speed doesn't seem excessive at all.
There is a discoloured patch of tarmac at some point on the video before the accident but it looks dry and not recent. You went through some shaded area also before the turn, could tree sap be an issue? The road looks clean enough IMO no sand or gravel that I can make out.
Tire pressure?
Hard to put a finger on it.
I did not lean my body in that one at all because it was just a simple turn while I was talking. When I went framed by frame, I did see my fingers come up may be in preparation, but I’m still bewildered as to why this slammed down so easily.
All of us can postulate about what caused this. Unfamiliar bike, new tires, etc. You are very specific about how many fingers are on the brake lever, how 'little' you pressed, gravel on the road, etc. A single where you let off the throttle can have enough engine braking to tuck the front end, even without brakes. But the real issue is how you can protect yourself when you do crash. I own and wear an air vest as often as I wear my helmet. Meaning ALWAYS. Glad your injuries aren't so serious that it changes how you live, meaning as a paraplegic. Heal well, and learn from your mistakes.
Thank you very much. Sharing your thoughts with us is appreciated.
Glad youre back home....rest up
I don't get it. You weren't speeding and the corner wasn't sharp. I almost wonder if something was wrong with the bike or if there was oil on the road. Really strange. I better check into air vests too.
Air vests are an absolute necessity. Lesson learned. As far as the bike going down, we just can’t seem to figure it out.
Tyres or crap on the road. That’s unlucky dude.
Yes, I agree, it just makes no sense.
I'll let other people try and make sense of your accident. I hope you continue to recover well.
At 3:08 something stained the road just before the intersection. A very thin film of trans, hydraulic fluid or coolant could easily made this happen.
I see no other reason for it. Your riding mechanics are well within your limits. You have logged too many miles for you to not have spidy sense when your pushing the limits. I don’t think you second guess yourself further
Thank you Tony
Hello! Would it be ok to feature your clip in a video we're making? You'll be credited with a on-screen watermark and in the description/pinned comment. Thanks.
Go ahead! Feel free to use it.