@@coloradostrong8285 As a Professional writer I can assure you,, it’s ‘Their’, because it’s possessive. I’m not trying to say “They are more professional tone is appreciated greatly.”
Finished school in the glorious summer of 1969 and got a job with British Rail as a railman (3rd class), cleaning trains at a local depot whilst waiting to go into the civil service. It was of course the days before anyone gave a toss about health and safety or PPE and when changing pads, the engineers would happily clear out the dust with an airline and work in a brown, metallic tasting cloud. It was a filthy, horrible job and that brake dust got everywhere - it also had a burnt metal smell that you could never quite get rid of. My mother made me change clothes in the shed before I was allowed in the house after work.
i made 1000s of brake blocks for barclay matheson of Kilmarnock ,they were a lot bigger than the ones in this vid, thats between 1980-90, there were 3-4 different sizes ,wonder who makes them now
Another brilliant video, I spent many years working on the railway in the Peak District. Tunstead, Peak Forest, Great Rocks, Hindlow and Dowlow were some of my favourite places. I was fortunate enough to cab ride the 37's an 47's on snow plough duties. Keep up the good work with the uploads. Thank You
Insane metal on metal action ! What a time ! It's great to hear spontaneous human commentary in the age of NLP text to voice translations on presentation videos
Changed to many brake blocks lol 31's 47's and 56's were OK but 08's and 37's could be a nightmare . Got it easy now with 66 composite blocks , mind you 60,s can be bad the corner blocks with new wheels
Being in a pit under rail cars replacing brakes would have sucked back in the day. I remember as a kid riding on the Ontario Northland Railway in early 90s and when you flushed the toilet you could see railroad ties going by. This was unusual even in the early 90s but they were old rail cars. Pretty sure they all flushed onto the tracks 50 years ago
I was entertained. I would like to have seen comparisons for wheel wear though. The brake shoes were described as cheap and easy (like various mom jokes), but those wheels are not so simple to produce. I suppose an emergency stop (in the case of the disk braked model) would override wheel wear considerations though, as long as the wheels remained intact and safe until stopped.
@@bonkeydollocks1879 well the documentary in itself is vintage, no one can deny, but the information inside are still contemporary is what I meant to say
@@T3ki1a_ that makes even less sense, the older the loco the more vintage it is surely, the fact this video content is still relevant makes no sense to the vintage side of things. It's probably just me, please ignore me.
@@bonkeydollocks1879 the loco might have been build in the 60s and the 70s but if it's still in use today isn't she contemporary? I know we need to upgrade our rolling stock but as long as it's still in use aren't they contemporary?
Guess this video was made back in the day when Britain was actually at or near to the forefront of railway technology. Sad to see how things have changed, it wouldn't shock me if I heard that some places in Britain STILL use friction only brakes(yikes!)
I had no idea that the braking was metal to metal, learned something thete. 👍👍 That guy weighing the break blocks looks like young Clint Eastwood, cant remember which film.
While you are getting old, its more that 40 years ago is quite a while. Most importantly its the pre digital age, meaning it feels even older than it actually is.
@@formidable38 What's your point? The title says it's a vintage railway film. So he was right it's a 40 year old video and what the OP commented doesn't make sense, even as a joke.
@@dickJohnsonpeter can't be arsed m8, its obviously to cryptic for you to understand. Get back under your bridge and calm your titties, there's a good boy.
In the days when engineering was worth it. To be honest in the UK I can't afford to use rail travel now. Bring back the days of wet leaves on the rail, everybody laughed, bowlers and briefcases were forgotten.
Given how long it takes a long or heavy train to stop even today, maybe it's time to re-evaluate century-old designs! Seems kinda obvious that eight shoes on eight wheels per car is insufficient if it takes the bloody train eight miles to stop. That's not how you avoid an accident, it's just how you stop to examine the wreckage after one has happened.
Ultimately, the rate at which a train can decelerate is not limited by the ability to apply force to the wheels, but by the ability of the wheels to apply force to the rails. It would be quite easy to put brakes on a train powerful enough to easily stop the wheels rotating, but if the wheels lock up and slide rather than roll, that is of no use. However, there are some types of brakes that directly act on the tracks as well, both magnetically. One type, that is quite widely used, uses magnets to pull a brake pad up against the track, where they slow the train down by standard friction. The other, which is only used in some modern high-speed trains like the German ICE 3, uses powerful electromagnets to create a magnetic field at right angles to the track. As this magnetic field is moved along the track by the train's speed, it induces eddy currents in the rails, which themselves create magnetic fields, and the interaction between the two fields creates a braking force. The upside of the eddy current brake is that it works silently and without wear or dust, as it works without any physical contact, however as its braking force is proportional to the train's speed, it is only useful at high speeds, and it can only be used on track designed to withstand the magnetic forces.
You're not going to stop 1800 tons (3.6 million pounds) moving at 40 mph (or more) in much less than 8 miles short of installing rocket engines on each car that you can light off to provide counter-thrust.
They did reduce the issue by closing the air conditioning intake vents when the brakes were applied. They also tried different brake materials to no avail.
@@lobsterbark But why wouldn't you use it? It's by far the most economical braking? Yes, let's blame Americans for being more environmentally friendly and economically minded, how dumb of them.
I was hoping the video would also cover if the diesel electric locomotives used regenerative braking? Either way, I wonder what that phosphorous is doing, I seem to remember phosphor bronze bearings are desirable.
I guess in the 70s little thought was given to the effects on the environment and the health of humans by releasing increased amounts of phosporus into the atmosphere. As long as BR save a couple of million quid, then no prob.
@@alkalk8938 WTF are you talking about?? What does "how the nice things in life get to you" even mean??? Your comment has no relevance at all to the point I was making. Go back into the hole from whence you came and don't come out again.
There were far worse things to worry about in the 70’s than a little brake dust. Besides, it was only trace amounts. Fertilizer and pesticides were far more harmful. But, everyone survived.
2.06.....carbon at 3.0%.....that is a high percentage in steel...normally, (then ), a carbon percentage of 0.8 to 1.5 was sufficient to give strength to iron, making it steel...the higher the carbon content the more brittle the steel becomes.......so, cracks would not be surprising; 3.21.
The old British creations of rail vehicles were... not pretty. The only really properly looking Locomotives were the Class 44 and the Class 08 ... most of the others looked and sounded like Tractors stolen from the fields fitted with bogies, and hilariously large numbers.
Big fan of old documentaries. Their more professional tone is appreciated greatly.
_They're_ not "their" more professional.
@@coloradostrong8285 As a Professional writer I can assure you,, it’s ‘Their’, because it’s possessive. I’m not trying to say “They are more professional tone is appreciated greatly.”
@ Colorado Strong Not so strong with words, ey?
@@svenjansen2134 he is way out there
Just a maybe but Mr Strong could be American? We all know how they struggle with English. 😉
I absolutely love these older videos. What a simpler time.
Absolutley. It was all knowledge. Nobody was fucking around. They got straight to the point.
Finished school in the glorious summer of 1969 and got a job with British Rail as a railman (3rd class), cleaning trains at a local depot whilst waiting to go into the civil service. It was of course the days before anyone gave a toss about health and safety or PPE and when changing pads, the engineers would happily clear out the dust with an airline and work in a brown, metallic tasting cloud. It was a filthy, horrible job and that brake dust got everywhere - it also had a burnt metal smell that you could never quite get rid of. My mother made me change clothes in the shed before I was allowed in the house after work.
I wonder if those airborne burnt metal particles are worse than cigs. Did that job lead to any health effects?
@@lolmanurfunny Only stress from the overwhelming desire to kick the living crap out of the foreman every day. I lasted two months.
@@lolmanurfunny all the welders would be dead if it's that bad for you.
The visuals and sound of this production are real nice. Thanks for sharing this with us!
i made 1000s of brake blocks for barclay matheson of Kilmarnock ,they were a lot bigger than the ones in this vid, thats between 1980-90, there were 3-4 different sizes ,wonder who makes them now
@@delightfullynot7220 It moved and is now located at the rear end of the Thames in Thamesbum.
Made in China, can't pump them out fast enough baby!
My guess is China
Thanks RUclips, I didn't know I needed to know any of this but I'm glad I do.
So wonderful to watch an old school serious documentary... now its all jump cuts and cgi.
I don't know why this was recommended but I found this very interesting.
That was cool! The flames looked like rocket blasts trying to force the wheel to turn in the other direction. Very impressive. Thanks for sharing!
it's so odd how more phosphorus = less flame, whereas phosphorus alone is certainly very flamey
Another brilliant video, I spent many years working on the railway in the Peak District. Tunstead, Peak Forest, Great Rocks, Hindlow and Dowlow were some of my favourite places. I was fortunate enough to cab ride the 37's an 47's on snow plough duties. Keep up the good work with the uploads. Thank You
From here in the States, Excellently produced! Thanks for sharing and the very best of luck!
Imagine if films were made to this quality today
This seems like a great way to get a train kid to understand the scientific method.
it really is
The old EPBs on the Southern always had brown stains in the corners of the windows. The oxalic acid based cleaner that was used was highly toxic too.
Very interesting, had to watch it a few times, could not stop myself, 😆.
Apparently you need more phosphorus in your diet. 😁
That's why scientific research should always take place, even if the project seem useless. You never know what benefits the research will deliver
Insane metal on metal action ! What a time ! It's great to hear spontaneous human commentary in the age of NLP text to voice translations on presentation videos
Changed to many brake blocks lol 31's 47's and 56's were OK but 08's and 37's could be a nightmare . Got it easy now with 66 composite blocks , mind you 60,s can be bad the corner blocks with new wheels
The image of those old smokey diesels with the 3 windows on the front in an arch is one heck of a sight
Old school learning material. First class.
Reminds me of being back at school when we used to watch these on an old cinema reels 👍
Being in a pit under rail cars replacing brakes would have sucked back in the day. I remember as a kid riding on the Ontario Northland Railway in early 90s and when you flushed the toilet you could see railroad ties going by. This was unusual even in the early 90s but they were old rail cars. Pretty sure they all flushed onto the tracks 50 years ago
Seems to me this video was sponsored by Big Phosphorus, boys!
All jokes aside, love these old videos - thanks
Yeah but how cool would it be to see a deltic slap the brakes on while approaching in a evening and just glowing like a NASA rocket 🤣🤣
well nasa actually use aluminum on sls
I was entertained. I would like to have seen comparisons for wheel wear though. The brake shoes were described as cheap and easy (like various mom jokes), but those wheels are not so simple to produce. I suppose an emergency stop (in the case of the disk braked model) would override wheel wear considerations though, as long as the wheels remained intact and safe until stopped.
This was my question too. Doesn't a harder brake pad wear the wheel more?
I remember the smell of those old things. Flippin' stunk....
Awesome video! Interesting and informative! I learned something neat!
This was so interesting. Thanks for the upload!
Thanks to Ringo Starr I'm now very disappointed when I see British locomotives without the faces.......
i like trains
Excellent video!
I love of it's a vintage (79) documentary but in Belgium most locomotives we work in were built in the 60's ... Not so vintage after all.
Wouldn't that make them even more vintage then?
@@bonkeydollocks1879 well the documentary in itself is vintage, no one can deny, but the information inside are still contemporary is what I meant to say
@@T3ki1a_ that makes even less sense, the older the loco the more vintage it is surely, the fact this video content is still relevant makes no sense to the vintage side of things. It's probably just me, please ignore me.
@@bonkeydollocks1879 the loco might have been build in the 60s and the 70s but if it's still in use today isn't she contemporary?
I know we need to upgrade our rolling stock but as long as it's still in use aren't they contemporary?
They had a slow mo camera back then wow
Nice
excellent film
You tube sad I needed to watch this.
Well, that was a nice little break time vid!
Excellent video!!! Keep them coming.
Guess this video was made back in the day when Britain was actually at or near to the forefront of railway technology. Sad to see how things have changed, it wouldn't shock me if I heard that some places in Britain STILL use friction only brakes(yikes!)
It's crazy to think about just how much energy is involved here. All that heat was from just one wheel...
let the sparks fly
I had no idea that the braking was metal to metal, learned something thete. 👍👍
That guy weighing the break blocks looks like young Clint Eastwood, cant remember which film.
Rowdy Yates or raw hide or something dirty harry
Very nice video. I enjoyed it much.
Awesome work mate, keep it up
Conclusion: 1.3% phosphorus looks much cooler.
Those were days of real engineering and design of experiments.
it is sooo chill
Early 1980s is considered vintage these days?
Goddamn I'm getting old...
While you are getting old, its more that 40 years ago is quite a while.
Most importantly its the pre digital age, meaning it feels even older than it actually is.
So what if they wear quickly, that looked easier to swap out than the pads on a car
Labour and downtime cost money.
@@xluumu thank you captain obvious.
@@sir-richard4172 It didn’t seem to be so obvious to ss ss 🤔
@@xluumu in the days of BR labour costs weren't an issue.
nice. great channel. thanks
The 501 was nice to see
Neat to see modern trains
Modern? The video is more than 40 years old. That's 20% of the time that trains have existed.
@@beeble2003 Never ceases to maze me how many never read the bloody ttiles properly. 🤣
@@formidable38 What's your point? The title says it's a vintage railway film. So he was right it's a 40 year old video and what the OP commented doesn't make sense, even as a joke.
@@dickJohnsonpeter can't be arsed m8, its obviously to cryptic for you to understand. Get back under your bridge and calm your titties, there's a good boy.
Back when a saving of 2 million Pounds per year was still something not to be sneezed at!
In the days when engineering was worth it. To be honest in the UK I can't afford to use rail travel now. Bring back the days of wet leaves on the rail, everybody laughed, bowlers and briefcases were forgotten.
Vintage? "Old Videos?"
I was already out of college in '79.
😫
Probably the only time that governmental interference has resulted in cost savings in companies.
1:58 Annoying list, they went down in descending order and then phosphorus ruined everything, just put phosphorus 3rd ffs
Given how long it takes a long or heavy train to stop even today, maybe it's time to re-evaluate century-old designs! Seems kinda obvious that eight shoes on eight wheels per car is insufficient if it takes the bloody train eight miles to stop. That's not how you avoid an accident, it's just how you stop to examine the wreckage after one has happened.
Ultimately, the rate at which a train can decelerate is not limited by the ability to apply force to the wheels, but by the ability of the wheels to apply force to the rails. It would be quite easy to put brakes on a train powerful enough to easily stop the wheels rotating, but if the wheels lock up and slide rather than roll, that is of no use.
However, there are some types of brakes that directly act on the tracks as well, both magnetically. One type, that is quite widely used, uses magnets to pull a brake pad up against the track, where they slow the train down by standard friction. The other, which is only used in some modern high-speed trains like the German ICE 3, uses powerful electromagnets to create a magnetic field at right angles to the track. As this magnetic field is moved along the track by the train's speed, it induces eddy currents in the rails, which themselves create magnetic fields, and the interaction between the two fields creates a braking force. The upside of the eddy current brake is that it works silently and without wear or dust, as it works without any physical contact, however as its braking force is proportional to the train's speed, it is only useful at high speeds, and it can only be used on track designed to withstand the magnetic forces.
You're not going to stop 1800 tons (3.6 million pounds) moving at 40 mph (or more) in much less than 8 miles short of installing rocket engines on each car that you can light off to provide counter-thrust.
@@JunkCCCP It should be able to stop in about two miles, not eight
Very interesting 🤔
my question has always been what font do they use? its so timeless. and perfect
0:25 WELL OBVIOUSLY. Did somebody out there ever think otherwise?? 🤨
Wow ! 0:44 looks like a model RR !!!
thought we were going to see that brake test from the beginning of the video...
It's a shame they never solved the hideous stink from the HST brakes.
They did reduce the issue by closing the air conditioning intake vents when the brakes were applied. They also tried different brake materials to no avail.
It was wet asbesous fumes used to get it on mgr trains
Does old uk locomotives have Dynamic "rheostatic" braking just like in US?
I don’t think so.
Short answer, I don't know, but the UK has far smaller freight trains than the US behemoths and less severe geography so possibly wasn't required.
@@poruatokin Knowing US rail companies, they probably use rheostatic brakes to avoid paying as much for brake pads, not for safety reasons.
Yes, a lot of locomotives in the UK were and are fitted with rheostatic braking systems. Right back to stuff in the 60s to present.
@@lobsterbark But why wouldn't you use it? It's by far the most economical braking? Yes, let's blame Americans for being more environmentally friendly and economically minded, how dumb of them.
3:43 look it’s D199!
That train is Finnish intercity before "manufacturin brake blocks".
Day Bree
Nobody going to mention the Willy Wonky high speed camera 😂
I'm guessing the missing 93.22% is iron?
Yeah I thought that was an oversight too.
I was hoping the video would also cover if the diesel electric locomotives used regenerative braking? Either way, I wonder what that phosphorous is doing, I seem to remember phosphor bronze bearings are desirable.
No regenerative stuff on the old locos no
@@bonkeydollocks1879 Thanks to your name I am able to laugh again.
@@fremenondesand3896 anything I can do to help
Does anyone just happen to know what that pretty little blue car was in the lot at the very end?
Imagine taking your girlfriend to the movies just to see this... bet he didnt get anywhere.
I wonder if a water spray would help.
I guess in the 70s little thought was given to the effects on the environment and the health of humans by releasing increased amounts of phosporus into the atmosphere. As long as BR save a couple of million quid, then no prob.
My guess is that you have zero clue as to how all the nice things in life get to you.
@@alkalk8938 WTF are you talking about?? What does "how the nice things in life get to you" even mean??? Your comment has no relevance at all to the point I was making. Go back into the hole from whence you came and don't come out again.
There were far worse things to worry about in the 70’s than a little brake dust.
Besides, it was only trace amounts.
Fertilizer and pesticides were far more harmful.
But, everyone survived.
yeah but what did they use to power the wheel and simulate load in the laboratory??
@Craig Hinners i agree. thank you!
Breaks are just another accelerator 😎
Can you do the transperth driver view train from Perth to thornlie from thornlie to Perth at Dusk please
Is that Bob Peck from jurassic park at 0:57 ?
this is youtube before they invented the internet
2.06.....carbon at 3.0%.....that is a high percentage in steel...normally, (then ), a carbon percentage of 0.8 to 1.5 was sufficient to give strength to iron, making it steel...the higher the carbon content the more brittle the steel becomes.......so, cracks would not be surprising; 3.21.
What? Cast Iron has always typically had a carbon content of 2-4%
@@poruatokin Quite right for cast iron...cheers!
...NOW!
All clever stuff eh!?
thats R&D
I only believe in science!
The old British creations of rail vehicles were... not pretty.
The only really properly looking Locomotives were the Class 44 and the Class 08 ... most of the others looked and sounded like Tractors stolen from the fields fitted with bogies, and hilariously large numbers.
Let me guess the latter stuff in the test was tested, the better it worked, man they hardening that wheel with cooling...
Wrong - it was not at any level of red heat so no hardening will ever occur. Also, hardening depends on the material.