As an owner of RTX 3050 35w 4gb varian Acer Swift X, I verified this as a valid comparation. No denial that RTX3050 35w 4gb varian, is now toe to to with IGP. Back then my gpu approximate performance was midrange dedicated gpu every GTX1650 supper or GTX1060 or RX580, RX5500m or RX6500m, and now i can ads another approxinate, an IGPU. So sad actually.
Just wait for Strix Halo, that's estimated to be as fast as a 4070( none super), I have doubts on the 4070, but I can see it being about as fast as a 4060 due to it's 8533Mhz LDDR5 256bit memory as that would be about the same about of bandwidth 17gbps.
Well, the RTX 3050 Laptop 35W variant is basically equal to a GTX 1650 Laptop GDDR6 50W. Pretty sure you can get very close to these results on a GTX 1650 Laptop GDDR5 50W with memory overclocked through the roof (mine did +999MHz memory fine but +1000 was unstable, with +150MHz core clock), though the memory bandwidth is still lower than the stock GDDR6 version (we talk 128GB/s for GDDR5 variant at stock vs. 159.8GB/s with my overclock vs. 192GB/s for GDDR6 variant). But the fact is that a GTX 1650 Laptop GDDR5 version still has faster memory than any iGPU on any LPDDR5X speed with a 128-bit memory bus when overclocked correctly, and it currently is what bottlenecks these iGPUs the most since they have the same theoretical raw power as a GTX 1060 6GB (which is anywhere between equal and 15% faster than the GTX 1650 GDDR6 when both aren't VRAM-constrained). Switching to a 256-bit bus on the iGPUs would solve that bottleneck, but the costs are gonna go way high up and we must remember the GTX 1070 is still about 30-40% faster than the 1060 6GB, meanwhile we get about a 40% improvement going from the latest Vega iGPUs to the Radeon 890M in 5 years (with 2 different generations of dGPUs inbetween, for which we got about +100% performance going from GTX 1060 6GB to RTX 3060 Laptop 6GB 115-130W).
@@Ardenict kenapa harus nyesel, emang kamu mau nunggu strix point keluar dulu baru beli laptop? lagian harganya beda jauh bangett. Swift X versi Ryzen 5000 series ini harganya cuman belasan juta. Zenbook S16 yang dipake di laptop ini harganya pasti di atas 20 juta. btw Swift X yang ini rilis tahun 2021 sedangkan Zenbook S16 dirilis 2024. Kamu mau nunggu 3 tahun cmn buat beli laptop yang lbh hemat daya?
@@peterfischer20391080p to 720p(native, not fsr) makes a big difference but not enough to reach performance like this on much lower wattages Unless of course 50-60 watts is completely useless, and it has diminishing returns above 30 watts
Very interesting to see how APUs are closing the gap with entry level GPUs, although granted these are already close to two gens old by now. Still, thats almost a generation worth of performance that AMD has managed to leapfrog! The next question would be: what about gaming on battery power?
Gaming in battery: absolutely possible 2,5 hours for AAA games. And when you further reduce the Apus TDP you can easily get 4-5 hours for light games or emulation 🤯
@@-mrws- I seriously doubt the majority of people who game on a laptop have the expectation of playing in 4k, the screen is way too small to make a significant difference and the increase in heat is not really worth it
@@-mrws- WHy would anyone spend $4000 on a "gaming laptop" to suffer -30% performance over desktop variant, that desktop variant costing 1/2 the price of the laptop in the first place? Are people so desperate on the train they HAVE to play Cyberpunk at 120fps for the 45 minute commute? 1st world problems, probably only even considered by 1% of the PC gaming demographic in the West. I spent £1400 on TWO laptops, each with 1660Ti, a couple of years ago just to play Stardew and LOL with my kid when we went abroad in case of a rainy evening. Even that felt like I was wasting money hardware wise. Laptops are not for real PC gaming, it's situational PC gaming. If you actually want a real PC gaming experience ofc.
So I guess a Ryzen 7 8845HS + RTX 3050 6GB is going to perform better even with just 16gb of ram. As for efficiency you can still disable the RTX 3050 when you don't game to make the laptop just as efficient. I mean the future looks good but this helped me decide what laptop I should choose. I will go for the Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 with Ryzen 7 8845HS + RTX 3050 (60W) 6GB. It's even cheaper compared to this new Vivobook S14...
I bought this laptop this week I got R7 8th gen 16gb ram and the rtx 3050. It’s very very powerful for all of this games. If u disable the rtx and only use the 780m you are able to play but at much lower fps and res But believe me this 3050 laptop is still very good for my usage (but of gaming coding productivity music production and video editing in 4k)
Are you tarded or what? Paring 2 GPUs that are the same? Pair it with a 3080 or 4070. That's a good deal. When plugged in you get max performance, when not plugged in you get max efficiency.
Well, it remains to wait for the appearance of mini-PCs with 890m (and lower prices for them), and you can upgrade to those with 680m. Who has a 780m doesn't seem to see much difference...
@@LuminousSpace If we are talking about a laptop, then everything is correct (if you do not play, of course. In games, the more watts, the better). In the case of a mini PC, there is no point in saving energy.
what's the point of this on a mini pc when u can put a 4050 with different wattages, electric bill? 75w gpu + 45w cpu vs 65w amd apu is not like a massive difference, and surely a decent mini pc can dissipate enough heat for that. a 4050 75w is like 3 times the performance of this igpu and can cost even less money than the apu seeing current price 4050 is a dream budget card, if only they'd put 8gb vram would've been the 1060 of the laptop gpus xD this apu is for handheld or for a guy who want all in one device and don't want to buy a laptop then a console or pc etc, so you have a fancy ultrabook with oled that can play games at from casual to average levels. But i can't see someone buying a laptop with the ryzen for the sole purpose of gaming, like wtf xd Saying that i would love to have this apu on my steam deck, the performance difference would be massive, like x2.5 times or so
You can even tune it down to 10 w for lighter games. Then use process lasso to limit the game to like 4-8 cores. That stabalizes it. And there you have it: 4-5 hours of gaming on the go.
Really good review! I wish we can also see the whole power consumption of each laptops being pulled from the wall socket so we can see how efficient the whole system relative ro its performance.
Radeon 890M is very memory bandwidth starved. I hope someone puts fast LPDDR6, GDDR5X or GDDR6X with it so that it can soar to its full performance. It is still crazy the performance you are getting from this package at such small wattage.
The main problem now is laptop like old swift-X or other slim laptop with 3050 4Gb low tdp is still much cheaper than new laptop with ryzen 9 HX 370... Can buy premium laptop with rtx 4060 series with same price or cheaper than laptop with ryzen hx 370 only...
Yeah this laptop is not a gaming laptop or meant to be for gaming. It's a thin and light with great hardware and insane battery runtimes. Great display. Great speakers. Good build quality. Really depends on what you want of a laptop... And who it is for. Sure it comes at a price. Not gonna argue on that :)
@@Hubwood acer swiftX with 4060/4070 and zenbook pro with 4060 has same price... In SG zenbook with hx 370 cost SGD 2800 same as zenbook with 4060 and acer swiftx with 4070 is still cheaper at SGD 2500... All of these light premium laptop...
APUs never provide the value for money. It's neither as good as a full blown CPU nor is it as good as a dGPU with dedicated GDDR memory. It can be good but then your chip die will be huge, complex and expensive to manufacture. Just check out how expensive 8700G is on desktops.@@LokisTech0
@@Hubwood there is no a 890m laptop but whit bad display bad speakers and quality build and Good baterry because this is important of a low gaming laptop like the 50 series
The APU frame time graph is set wrong. You can see that both have similar response times. I think it is because APU graph is much narrower and exaggerated the graph.
I suggest also comparing this using the Dell XPS 14. Since that laptop in specific has the slowest current gen GPU. A *30W* RTX 4050. They are quite expensive though, $1900 for the lowest end model with the GPU. However, if you return it in the return window I think it could work.
There's a huge difference in GPU VRAM usage reported in some games (f.e. Far Cry 5) so the results don't seem comparable. There are clearly some different settings in play, there are visible differences in image quality.
I can explain all of that: 1. One is an Nvidia card the other an AMD Card. These two handle Vram differently and in some cases one uses more vram than the other. Even if both would have 16GB of Vram 2. The 3050 only has 4GB so it cannot use more than that. Meaning in some cases the 890m can use more than 4gb 3. The bigger the available vram the more Vram a system will reserve/allocate 4. If VRAM is the bottleneck the game actually DOES start to look different. 5. Since they use completely different drivers there can actually be differences in quality 6. The 3050 recordings are a bit older. As stated in the video. I might also have recorded them with a different video quality
@@Hubwood and now explain away the system ram difference as well please ... f.e. Tomb Raider is very close for both while others AMD uses much less VRAM than the Nvidia config and vice versa
@@lubossoltes321 completely different systems with different CPUs will use different amounta of ram. This is not a perfect test where everything is identical except for the GPU. That is impossible in most of laptop GPU comparisons. Especially with older GPUs like the now over 3 year old 3050 (35W)
It good to see igpu have come this far even ps5 has amd apu exuclusive to sony now imagine what lies ahead. But main problem is these cpus will only come with mid to high end laptops which already has an nvidea gpu which makes them useless.
Nah I don't know... the 780m is now actually pretty widespread. Handhelds and Mini PCs even. Back then people were like: "Oh the 780m won't be in a lot of laptops... so it doesn't matter." Time will tell :)
I love the fact that in a couple of years from now, low power highly portable laptops will be able to run many games of the past at 60+ fps. I will gladly ditch the behemoth power adapter ones for these.
It looks to me like the APU is throttling, either due to low thermal headroom or due to lack of bandwidth. I hope there will be some bigger laptops with more thermal headroom coming soon with this chip to see if that has an effect on the FPS or not.
Yep and on linux those cpu are performing great as well, so it might be the future of entry level gaming on laptop. what would be very interesting is to know if the integrated gpu can last a long life and if it has good temps. In general cpu never dies, but what about APU? I know gpu in laptop has always been an issue due to overheating their lifespan is very short when an hardcore gamer use it every day.
There's one advantage of a dGPU - It splits the thermal load. Managing 28+35w is easier in a slim chassis than managing 50-60w coming from one spot. It usually leads to two kinda-hot spots vs one super hot spot, that could maybe burn a lap.
It doesnt change much.. Depends on the design of the laptop. If the same heatpipes run on the cpu and gpu, they will reach equilibrium at some point and will be the same. Thats my case, my laptop has a mx570 (basically the same performance as this 3050, little less because runs on 30w), and it gets HOT, because it uses a intel processor, that is still on 10nm. So, thats more important. The ryzen consuming 60w alone can be cooler than my laptop that has cpu + gpu separate, because its on 4nm. The energy allocation having two separate dies can be bad too, on some applications it doesnt work well, and the 890m outperforms alot just because of it.
@@_iczyzy Yep it depends a lot on the chassis. I have a thin and light with a 35w 3050 and oddly enough I think the CPU is the hottest component when the cores get loaded up because AMD likes to run their processors at 95 degrees for some reason
@@kmieciu4ever a decent wattage 4050 can vary to 2060 desktop performance to almost 3060 desktop, that's a whole different league, (more than 3x performance than this 3050 35w if we take the 75w as the example) problem with the card is 1º vram pool is poor only 6gb, most budget laptop come with i5 which is gonna bottleneck the 4050, trust me i have one, you can go with ryzen 7 but it would cost like 30% more so it would be 4060 territory
This processor has 16 RDNA 3.5 modules. At the end of the year, an APU with 40 AMD STRIX HALO modules will be released. This APU will be at the level of 4070.
I know people said that.... Still sceptical about 4070 level just because of the CUs. 40 is about 2.5 times 16. The 4070 (even the mobile) is more than 2.5 times faster.... I mean... It would be freakin amazing... But I'd rather stay pessimistic here 😅
@@Hubwood Yes, but you have to consider also 2 more things, 256bit memory bus vs 128 of strix point and infinity cache, and also the possibility of the 3nm node instead of 4nm (if intel don't fail to deliver with their next gen SOCs).
Isn't that Strix Halo a 2025 product? I doubt AMD can get meaningful 3nm capacity this year since roughly 80% of 3nm capacity for this year still goes to Apple. Plus the talk about mobile 4070 performance was still need to be taken with a lot of salts. Before this they talk about 3060 performance (i think it was for 780M) in the end that thing more or less compete with 1650.
I have a lenovo legion 5 slim with the amd ryzen 5 7640hs apu on Radeon 760m graphics but also has a nvidia rtx 4060 8gb vram that i paid a awesome deal of $730 for but my main thing is that the nvidia 40 series in a lot of laptops is voltage limited to not go above 100 watts despite the card being rated and sold as capable of hitting 140watts. Some say its not much better performance wise after 100watts butthe point is you wont know this until you test it. That being said i find the amds 760m to be ridiculousy powerful and capable which is surprising given what it is. The 4060 does probably allow me to run around double or triple the frame rates that the 760m allows but the 760m still gets me respectable performance and manages to run every game i throw at it. I cant wait to see what strix halo brings to the igpu realm. My 760m pulls 60warrs regularly and ive seen it spike as high as 80watts, thats insanely high for a mobile platforms igpu!!!!
So, hm, that VRAM limit on the 890M is set to 1GB? In Red Dead 2 at least it looks like. So, while same mempools, the 890 will constantly stream data from system mem to VRAM while the 3050 won't. I'd be curious if setting this to 4 or 6GB would make a difference.
You might not using the intended power envelope for the 890M. It is design for 28-35w power. Beyond 35w the improvement is ineligible. There are tons of testing with 780m. It should be the same. Beyond 35w, the cpu n apu will be bottlenecked by thermal throttling. That's the cause of the stutters. These apu need tweaking for the best result. Try to capture the power reading using hwinfo. It's more granular in term of sensor reading
im really excited for these new powerful CPUs. now the average person doesnt have to spend $1000 on a gaming laptop to play games and is more portable now
Arc 140 @2.05GHz (Core Ultra 9 V288) rakes 6.56 TFlops in AIDA64 and 4,100 FireStrike Graphics, according to cpumonkey benchmarks. While 890M is at 5.52 TFlops and 4,084 FireStrike Graphics. It seems ram on substrate is only fruitful on heavy compute load, not gaming. However if Intel drivers are catching up, this year competition will be a blast.
Pls do show the cpu core power consumption in RTSS ,to get an idea of the actual igpu power..or you can just reply n give that infor(average total core watts)
i got a 16" asus vivobook s with a ryzen 9 AI HBO iHOP 370 HX, or whatever the hell the name of that CPU is. got this thing specifically for the iGPU. it's pretty bad ass.
3050 35w is trash anyway, i had in the past and played worse than the steam deck at the same 90hz refresh rate, idk it was something wrong with the laptop, vivobook pro oled 13 5800h 3050 35w
I have a razer 2016 blade with 1066 gpu 80w, is the 890m faster? I really would like to find a laptop with at lest the same gpu performance and great battery life.
If AMD threw away its AI engine on AMD Ryzen AI, I believe Sony Playstarion 4 Level GPU compute units could be reached while die area is still in the same space like Ryzen AI.
From my understanding with a 7840hs, the 780m gpu in it by itself consumes 60 watts then an additional 40 watts by thr cpu, so I'm pretty sure the 60 watts is not the entire APU but just the igpu
I was hoping it wasn't this close as my Asus VivoBook Pro 14X w/ 11300H + 40W RTX 3050 is crying seeing this... Time to save for a new ProArt w/ 9 HX 370.
3050 is a 4 year old, non-expensive GPU. 890M is new. Also look at frametime graph, 3050 has way less stutters, it's a more playable gaming experience.
@@Hubwood having dedicated vram and undervolting are also very big advantages. dGPUs in fact, have so many advantages I don't even consider buying a laptop with only iGPU. iGPUs are great for battery life, not so much for gaming. My 780m in 6800H can't even handle Batman:Arkham knight at 60 fps, and that's a 2015 game. Same with No Man's sky, can't get 60 fps even at low settings, whereas I could on my previous GTX 1050 laptop.
@@TabalugaDragon I also only go for laptops with a dGPU for my SolidWorks/CAD work but yeah, I've HEAVILY undervolted my 3050 and it's way out of spec and I have no idea why it runs stable at such low-power. The laptop just has very poor battery life.. being Intel and 90Hz 3K OLED panel.
Radeon 890M is very good. Unfortunately amd only give strix point maximum RAM speed of LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s. It will perform even better if amd allow strix point to be paired with faster RAM. talking about RAM speed, Intel Lunar Lake will get 8533 MT/s from its on-package RAM. Can't wait to see the performance of this upcoming SoC from Intel!
The keyword might be memory bandwidth. That's supposed to be doubled with the upcoming Strix Halo APUs that also have 16-40CUs. So we're going to see massive upgrades soon. Probably ;)
@@Hubwood yeah i always forget that in gpu bandwith is more important than the speed alone. i also always forget that strix halo exist haha. i think it will be exciting time to see what next gen chip will bring to us
I wonder if this 890m could handle "tankionline" mmo game at 165fps; this game isn't too heavy 3d. My RTX 3060 laptop could do 165fps but the temperature was like 80C and up.
@@Hubwood No, no, no ... We're not talking about a playable experience. But we're talking about bragging rights. Especially on an obscured online forums.
this is a 4 year old low end Nvidia's GPU. Now compare it either to a 4070m at 35 watts or compare 3050 to AMD iGPU of the time where 3050 was the latest Nvidia's low end GPU. No, AMD is not more efficient. Maybe only at very low wattages, but not at around 50-60 watts overall power consumption(CPU+GPU). P.S. also keep in mind that it's much easier to dissipate 60 watts from 2 different chips than from a single, small chip. P.P.S. also keep in mind Nvidia can be undervolted and overclocked, unlike AMD APU. Dedicated vram is also noticeably faster. Look at frametime of the APU, it's much worse than of Nvidia GPU.
@@Hubwood I wish you limited the CPU to 25 watts then and showed its power consumption. Also, unlike AMD iGPU, Nvidia GPU can be overclocked+undervolted while keeping the same 35 watt power consumption. It would be even more efficient.
Why doesn't AMD just make a 6core with their top level onboard GPU for entry level gaming laptops? They're basically handing that market over to nVidia. They already own the handheld market, they can't possibly be that afraid of nvidia and if they're afraid they'll undercut themselves that's just as dumb.
Not really those are fake frames, u can tell right away that it doesn't feel right. If only the 890m would reach up to 90 watts then it would most likely have the same amount of frames.
Those two GPUs are now trading blows. However, RTX 3050M is still overall better as 890M is memory bandwidth limited. It tends to stutter badly in games. This then leads to compromised experience and it will feel worse to game on 890M. The main advantage of APU is its cost. Getting separate GPU from Nvidia is expensive. Getting any non-integrated GPU in your laptop is expensive. Laptops with APUs tend to settle at low prices in the market. 890M main advantage will be its considerably lower cost. However, it will never match performance of an independent GPU. RTX 3050 is a very poor GPU to begin with and it is already almost two generations old. It will be surpassed too and in the market, such old GPUs are being sold on a discount on laptops. Another advantage is that it sucks less power, it is marginally useful for laptop, because it allows you to game on battery. Though, I fail to see how a normal person will game serious games while being unable to charge their laptop. I only gamed on a laptop like being on a bus. You can't play serious games there. I would fire up Hearthstone or would play some other, simpler, graphically undemanding games to pass the time.
for handheld it would be good, but for laptop, with a 4050 being as low as 600 euros, 700-800 for a decent one (like lenovo loq) and the 4060 for 800, and 900-1000 for a decent one (again lenovo loq, rest are trash at low end) there is no need for this, the 4060 performs exactly like the 4060 desktop, the 4050 performs like a bit lower than a 3060 (2060 super raw performance, but u can get more in new games) that's like 3 times fps (4 times for 4060 or almost) more than a 3050 35w so the same as the 890m Unless you want a fancy ultrabook with oled display that also play games, so you don't have to buy another device, this is kinda worthless for laptop, and even then, playing 800p in a 1600p oled display is a blurry mess, i had one with this 3050 35w asus vivobook pro oled and the resolutions for reaching 60 (or 90 for competitive, as it was 90hz only) was too blurry for my taste. In the contrary i can play at 400p on the deck and have acceptable imagine quality, kinda blurry but not massive blurry like on the laptop i mentioned
Comparison was not fair but still it gave an info on fps count. I saw other videos in which hardware combination was either 12500h + rtx 3050 or 13450hx + rtx 3050. In that fps count was higher with settings like 1080p medium/high/very high/some games even in ultra, 890m is not capable of that which can handle 1080p low/medium settings. Biggest concern is price. 32gb Asus vivobook costs $1700 24gb $1400 while rtx 3050 with 12th/13th gen Intel CPU laptops costs less than $850. 13th/14th gen Intel CPU or amd 7000/8000 series CPU laptops with rtx 4060 costs around $1100. Why would a sane person spend more on this overpriced ryzen 300 series laptops.
Hey dude love your videos i just bought a brand new gaming laptop with a rtx 4050 and i am only getting 50 fps on cyberpunk with my brand new rtx 4050 75w laptop medium settings no frame gen 16gram i must admit on the first day i got the laptop it overheated and switched off because it was placed on even surface only for five minutes, would that have damaged my gpu. I get no gpu power rating on GeForce experience nether temperature
Question from you geeks out there. Like how apple does for its macbook the unified memory for cpu and gpu. If same unified relation thing were to be implemented on amd cpu and igpu would it improve the accessing speed? Though downside would be you can not upgrade ram? Lets just say they manage to give a 16gb unified ram for cpu+igpu at a reasonable rate. Wouldnt amd benefit from that in mobile/handheld section? Or thats just a pipe dream.?
To be fair you should try to make a power scale vs perfromance comparison... I guess you can try 3050 at 15-20W, and is there where higher differences will be... to me 50-60w whole cpu is mediocre perfromance whenc compared with too expensive but good Apple Silicon + MacOS optimization... 890M is just +50% RX 6400 refresh, so closer to RX 6500 XT that to RX 6600 in RDNA3 and better 4 nm node... underwhelming but a baby step in the right direction.... and the 128 bit DDR5 ram bus is just a no no no NO for me... gtx 1050 vram max speed bandwidth in 2024? to a claiming 1070 to 1080 ti wannabe igpu....
ich glaube das APUs nie so stark sein werden wie eine echte Mittelklasse Grafikkarte. Es sei denn, ein neuer Hersteller betritt die Bühne und stellt selbst keine externen Grafikkarten her. Denn bei APUs ist deutlich mehr drin. Viel mehr.
Also irgendwie widerspricht sich dein letzter Satz mit deiner Anfangsaussage :D Streng genommen ist die 890m schon stärker als Mittelklasse Grafikkarten. Ältere Mittelklasse Grafikkarten ;) Die GTX 960 wird übertroffen, die GTX 1060 noch nicht ganz bzw. ggf nur selten.
@@Hubwood Ja, alte. Eine RTX 4060 oder eine RX 7600 aber schon nicht mehr. Man will seinen eigenen Markt schützen. wenn die wirklich wollten würden sie sich nur selbst Konkurrenz machen. Das wäre markttechnisch eine Dummheit.
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As an owner of RTX 3050 35w 4gb varian Acer Swift X, I verified this as a valid comparation. No denial that RTX3050 35w 4gb varian, is now toe to to with IGP. Back then my gpu approximate performance was midrange dedicated gpu every GTX1650 supper or GTX1060 or RX580, RX5500m or RX6500m, and now i can ads another approxinate, an IGPU. So sad actually.
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Just wait for Strix Halo, that's estimated to be as fast as a 4070( none super), I have doubts on the 4070, but I can see it being about as fast as a 4060 due to it's 8533Mhz LDDR5 256bit memory as that would be about the same about of bandwidth 17gbps.
Well, the RTX 3050 Laptop 35W variant is basically equal to a GTX 1650 Laptop GDDR6 50W.
Pretty sure you can get very close to these results on a GTX 1650 Laptop GDDR5 50W with memory overclocked through the roof (mine did +999MHz memory fine but +1000 was unstable, with +150MHz core clock), though the memory bandwidth is still lower than the stock GDDR6 version (we talk 128GB/s for GDDR5 variant at stock vs. 159.8GB/s with my overclock vs. 192GB/s for GDDR6 variant).
But the fact is that a GTX 1650 Laptop GDDR5 version still has faster memory than any iGPU on any LPDDR5X speed with a 128-bit memory bus when overclocked correctly, and it currently is what bottlenecks these iGPUs the most since they have the same theoretical raw power as a GTX 1060 6GB (which is anywhere between equal and 15% faster than the GTX 1650 GDDR6 when both aren't VRAM-constrained).
Switching to a 256-bit bus on the iGPUs would solve that bottleneck, but the costs are gonna go way high up and we must remember the GTX 1070 is still about 30-40% faster than the 1060 6GB, meanwhile we get about a 40% improvement going from the latest Vega iGPUs to the Radeon 890M in 5 years (with 2 different generations of dGPUs inbetween, for which we got about +100% performance going from GTX 1060 6GB to RTX 3060 Laptop 6GB 115-130W).
@@Ardenict kenapa harus nyesel, emang kamu mau nunggu strix point keluar dulu baru beli laptop? lagian harganya beda jauh bangett. Swift X versi Ryzen 5000 series ini harganya cuman belasan juta. Zenbook S16 yang dipake di laptop ini harganya pasti di atas 20 juta. btw Swift X yang ini rilis tahun 2021 sedangkan Zenbook S16 dirilis 2024. Kamu mau nunggu 3 tahun cmn buat beli laptop yang lbh hemat daya?
These little AMD mobile APUs are getting very impressive, these are going to also work great in 720P handheld PCs, mini PCs etc.
Keep in mind the APU is being fed 60w which the handhelds will be nowhere near.
@@MA-jz4yc This is also 1080p where the handheld will only have 720p.
@@peterfischer20391080p to 720p(native, not fsr) makes a big difference but not enough to reach performance like this on much lower wattages
Unless of course 50-60 watts is completely useless, and it has diminishing returns above 30 watts
Very interesting to see how APUs are closing the gap with entry level GPUs, although granted these are already close to two gens old by now. Still, thats almost a generation worth of performance that AMD has managed to leapfrog!
The next question would be: what about gaming on battery power?
Gaming in battery: absolutely possible 2,5 hours for AAA games. And when you further reduce the Apus TDP you can easily get 4-5 hours for light games or emulation 🤯
@@Hubwood that's a big advantage of an iGPU. I'd never game on a dGPU like that because they are too power-hungry for gaming on battery.
For decent 4k gayming you need an 4090 laptop + sitting near an outlet
@@-mrws- I seriously doubt the majority of people who game on a laptop have the expectation of playing in 4k, the screen is way too small to make a significant difference and the increase in heat is not really worth it
@@-mrws- WHy would anyone spend $4000 on a "gaming laptop" to suffer -30% performance over desktop variant, that desktop variant costing 1/2 the price of the laptop in the first place?
Are people so desperate on the train they HAVE to play Cyberpunk at 120fps for the 45 minute commute?
1st world problems, probably only even considered by 1% of the PC gaming demographic in the West.
I spent £1400 on TWO laptops, each with 1660Ti, a couple of years ago just to play Stardew and LOL with my kid when we went abroad in case of a rainy evening. Even that felt like I was wasting money hardware wise.
Laptops are not for real PC gaming, it's situational PC gaming. If you actually want a real PC gaming experience ofc.
Yess, the comparison I've been waiting for
So I guess a Ryzen 7 8845HS + RTX 3050 6GB is going to perform better even with just 16gb of ram. As for efficiency you can still disable the RTX 3050 when you don't game to make the laptop just as efficient. I mean the future looks good but this helped me decide what laptop I should choose. I will go for the Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 with Ryzen 7 8845HS + RTX 3050 (60W) 6GB. It's even cheaper compared to this new Vivobook S14...
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Plus you have DLSS.
I bought this laptop this week I got R7 8th gen 16gb ram and the rtx 3050. It’s very very powerful for all of this games.
If u disable the rtx and only use the 780m you are able to play but at much lower fps and res
But believe me this 3050 laptop is still very good for my usage (but of gaming coding productivity music production and video editing in 4k)
Why would u need the dedicated GPU with almost the same power tho? When the 890M is better in any way. Even for Ai upscaling u can use FSR.
Are you tarded or what? Paring 2 GPUs that are the same? Pair it with a 3080 or 4070. That's a good deal. When plugged in you get max performance, when not plugged in you get max efficiency.
Well, it remains to wait for the appearance of mini-PCs with 890m (and lower prices for them), and you can upgrade to those with 680m. Who has a 780m doesn't seem to see much difference...
I still use 5700U's Vega 8, planning to upgrade to Radeon 890M iGPU as soon as possible!
for those using handheld is huge difference, 15w this = 28w 780m it means more runtime
@@LuminousSpace If we are talking about a laptop, then everything is correct (if you do not play, of course. In games, the more watts, the better). In the case of a mini PC, there is no point in saving energy.
Honestly 680M to 780m is like 10-15% at most 880M seem to be about 5-19% but 890M more like 30% better than a 880M
what's the point of this on a mini pc when u can put a 4050 with different wattages, electric bill? 75w gpu + 45w cpu vs 65w amd apu is not like a massive difference, and surely a decent mini pc can dissipate enough heat for that.
a 4050 75w is like 3 times the performance of this igpu and can cost even less money than the apu seeing current price
4050 is a dream budget card, if only they'd put 8gb vram would've been the 1060 of the laptop gpus xD
this apu is for handheld or for a guy who want all in one device and don't want to buy a laptop then a console or pc etc, so you have a fancy ultrabook with oled that can play games at from casual to average levels.
But i can't see someone buying a laptop with the ryzen for the sole purpose of gaming, like wtf xd
Saying that i would love to have this apu on my steam deck, the performance difference would be massive, like x2.5 times or so
Nice to have powerfull API,
First, you can have thin and light laptop
Second, you do not need to deal with conflict between iGPU and dGPU.
Interested Graphics Coming a long way including those Arc ones too 💪
Arc ones have a lot of driver issues and bad gaming performence. The best example is MSI Claw.
@@mariussm7797 Just another Intel L on a Tuesday
@@Coolest1234D lmfao
@@mariussm7797 It’s bad but doesn’t mean it’s not interesting
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From what I read somewhere. You can get greater battery life and efficiency when you tune down the 890m down to just 17w of power
You can even tune it down to 10 w for lighter games. Then use process lasso to limit the game to like 4-8 cores. That stabalizes it. And there you have it: 4-5 hours of gaming on the go.
Really good review! I wish we can also see the whole power consumption of each laptops being pulled from the wall socket so we can see how efficient the whole system relative ro its performance.
I show this in my review of the Vivobook S 14
Radeon 890M is very memory bandwidth starved. I hope someone puts fast LPDDR6, GDDR5X or GDDR6X with it so that it can soar to its full performance. It is still crazy the performance you are getting from this package at such small wattage.
I really appreciate that you waited until your explanation was over to start the music. Cheers.
Hey, Please enable subtitles in the video.
@@VivekSingh-ih3zg should automatically appear a few hours after the upload. Working now?
@@Hubwood No, still not.
The main problem now is laptop like old swift-X or other slim laptop with 3050 4Gb low tdp is still much cheaper than new laptop with ryzen 9 HX 370... Can buy premium laptop with rtx 4060 series with same price or cheaper than laptop with ryzen hx 370 only...
Yeah this laptop is not a gaming laptop or meant to be for gaming. It's a thin and light with great hardware and insane battery runtimes. Great display. Great speakers. Good build quality. Really depends on what you want of a laptop... And who it is for. Sure it comes at a price. Not gonna argue on that :)
@@Hubwood acer swiftX with 4060/4070 and zenbook pro with 4060 has same price... In SG zenbook with hx 370 cost SGD 2800 same as zenbook with 4060 and acer swiftx with 4070 is still cheaper at SGD 2500... All of these light premium laptop...
APUs never provide the value for money. It's neither as good as a full blown CPU nor is it as good as a dGPU with dedicated GDDR memory. It can be good but then your chip die will be huge, complex and expensive to manufacture. Just check out how expensive 8700G is on desktops.@@LokisTech0
its up to buyers both are correct nvidia laptops are cheaper
@@Hubwood there is no a 890m laptop but whit bad display bad speakers and quality build and Good baterry because this is important of a low gaming laptop like the 50 series
Honestly, although the framerate itself is close, the frametime spikes on the 890m can be kinda poor sometimes. I would prefer the 3050.
For pure gaming, yes. Not a gaming laptop though :) CPU is a beast ....
The APU frame time graph is set wrong. You can see that both have similar response times. I think it is because APU graph is much narrower and exaggerated the graph.
Yeah that's because I only had old recordings. But the frame times on the 3050 ARE smoother :)
Drivers WILL improve. I have the 680m and it get a lot better since I boght it
true
6600h ??
@@Harsh-do7uw 6800h
If you use Linux your drivers will be better 🥵🥵🐧
@@Horizon-sama yep, I always ran it on Linux. Great on Fedora-Gnome with wayland
Can't wait for the next generation igpu. I think that will truly hit the sweet spot
I suggest also comparing this using the Dell XPS 14. Since that laptop in specific has the slowest current gen GPU. A *30W* RTX 4050. They are quite expensive though, $1900 for the lowest end model with the GPU. However, if you return it in the return window I think it could work.
He claims that he can't afford 4050 laptop and apologizes that his etc 3050 6g laptop is 2 generation of CPU old.
*DON'T* buy DELL production. Never ever.
32gb ram can affect those benchs? its possible set more ram dedicated to igpu?
Very interesting comparison, thanks
Hubwood, try adding tags in the description. Maybe it ll help with views.
@@PurpleWarlock tags are added in the keyword section. Additionally adding them in the description doesn't do anything :)
I wonder how the new Sparking Zero will fare on this new chip. Could you do a test?
There's a huge difference in GPU VRAM usage reported in some games (f.e. Far Cry 5) so the results don't seem comparable. There are clearly some different settings in play, there are visible differences in image quality.
I can explain all of that:
1. One is an Nvidia card the other an AMD
Card. These two handle Vram differently and in some cases one uses more vram than the other. Even if both would have 16GB of Vram
2. The 3050 only has 4GB so it cannot use more than that. Meaning in some cases the 890m can use more than 4gb
3. The bigger the available vram the more Vram a system will reserve/allocate
4. If VRAM is the bottleneck the game actually DOES start to look different.
5. Since they use completely different drivers there can actually be differences in quality
6. The 3050 recordings are a bit older. As stated in the video. I might also have recorded them with a different video quality
@@Hubwood and now explain away the system ram difference as well please ... f.e. Tomb Raider is very close for both while others AMD uses much less VRAM than the Nvidia config and vice versa
@@lubossoltes321 completely different systems with different CPUs will use different amounta of ram. This is not a perfect test where everything is identical except for the GPU. That is impossible in most of laptop GPU comparisons. Especially with older GPUs like the now over 3 year old 3050 (35W)
It is impressive nonetheless, considering this is an APU that just launched and software/drivers are still early.
It good to see igpu have come this far even ps5 has amd apu exuclusive to sony now imagine what lies ahead.
But main problem is these cpus will only come with mid to high end laptops which already has an nvidea gpu which makes them useless.
Nah I don't know... the 780m is now actually pretty widespread. Handhelds and Mini PCs even. Back then people were like: "Oh the 780m won't be in a lot of laptops... so it doesn't matter."
Time will tell :)
I love the fact that in a couple of years from now, low power highly portable laptops will be able to run many games of the past at 60+ fps. I will gladly ditch the behemoth power adapter ones for these.
It looks to me like the APU is throttling, either due to low thermal headroom or due to lack of bandwidth. I hope there will be some bigger laptops with more thermal headroom coming soon with this chip to see if that has an effect on the FPS or not.
There is something really off. When you look at the vram usage and total system memory usage. It just doesn’t make sense.
Why? Maybe I can help/explain:)
@@HubwoodHow is R2D2 consuming only 1gb of VRAM? Afaik it's unplayable with 2gb or less
@@alexp3577 that's an issue with RDR2 and iGPUs. The game can't understand them and always does this. Seen it with many systems already :)
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I think 3d vcache is really what these igpu need because they are kinda bandwidth starving.
If the HX 370 had the memory bandwidth the RTX 3050 has this wouldn't even be a close comparison.
Do you have the Geekbench number when the laptop is plugged in versus not plugged in?
Yep and on linux those cpu are performing great as well, so it might be the future of entry level gaming on laptop. what would be very interesting is to know if the integrated gpu can last a long life and if it has good temps. In general cpu never dies, but what about APU? I know gpu in laptop has always been an issue due to overheating their lifespan is very short when an hardcore gamer use it every day.
Can’t wait for strix halo test next year
Thank you!
Nvidia RTX 3050 have a GDDR6 memory, amd is just apu system, thats cool for valorant, Rainbow six siege, Forza and CS2
can't believe this igpu is better than a dedicated card! Phoenix is really bashing lower tier gpu
Guess I'll get a ryzen laptop without a GPU next for my travel laptop
There's one advantage of a dGPU - It splits the thermal load. Managing 28+35w is easier in a slim chassis than managing 50-60w coming from one spot. It usually leads to two kinda-hot spots vs one super hot spot, that could maybe burn a lap.
It doesnt change much.. Depends on the design of the laptop. If the same heatpipes run on the cpu and gpu, they will reach equilibrium at some point and will be the same. Thats my case, my laptop has a mx570 (basically the same performance as this 3050, little less because runs on 30w), and it gets HOT, because it uses a intel processor, that is still on 10nm. So, thats more important. The ryzen consuming 60w alone can be cooler than my laptop that has cpu + gpu separate, because its on 4nm. The energy allocation having two separate dies can be bad too, on some applications it doesnt work well, and the 890m outperforms alot just because of it.
@@_iczyzy Yep it depends a lot on the chassis. I have a thin and light with a 35w 3050 and oddly enough I think the CPU is the hottest component when the cores get loaded up because AMD likes to run their processors at 95 degrees for some reason
You're right about that. It's almost this laptops only weak spot. Gets pretty darn hot at one point of its bottom...
curious about the 4050, which is one step higher in efficiency vs 4050
RTX 4050 mops the floor with the IGP, it's incredibly power efficient!
@@kmieciu4ever a decent wattage 4050 can vary to 2060 desktop performance to almost 3060 desktop, that's a whole different league, (more than 3x performance than this 3050 35w if we take the 75w as the example) problem with the card is 1º vram pool is poor only 6gb, most budget laptop come with i5 which is gonna bottleneck the 4050, trust me i have one, you can go with ryzen 7 but it would cost like 30% more so it would be 4060 territory
Are they putting these into the next gen ROG Ally and the Nintendo Switch 2?
This processor has 16 RDNA 3.5 modules. At the end of the year, an APU with 40 AMD STRIX HALO modules will be released. This APU will be at the level of 4070.
I know people said that.... Still sceptical about 4070 level just because of the CUs. 40 is about 2.5 times 16. The 4070 (even the mobile) is more than 2.5 times faster.... I mean... It would be freakin amazing... But I'd rather stay pessimistic here 😅
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@@Hubwood Yes, but you have to consider also 2 more things, 256bit memory bus vs 128 of strix point and infinity cache, and also the possibility of the 3nm node instead of 4nm (if intel don't fail to deliver with their next gen SOCs).
Let's wait for Ryzen 4070
Isn't that Strix Halo a 2025 product? I doubt AMD can get meaningful 3nm capacity this year since roughly 80% of 3nm capacity for this year still goes to Apple. Plus the talk about mobile 4070 performance was still need to be taken with a lot of salts. Before this they talk about 3060 performance (i think it was for 780M) in the end that thing more or less compete with 1650.
I have a lenovo legion 5 slim with the amd ryzen 5 7640hs apu on Radeon 760m graphics but also has a nvidia rtx 4060 8gb vram that i paid a awesome deal of $730 for but my main thing is that the nvidia 40 series in a lot of laptops is voltage limited to not go above 100 watts despite the card being rated and sold as capable of hitting 140watts. Some say its not much better performance wise after 100watts butthe point is you wont know this until you test it. That being said i find the amds 760m to be ridiculousy powerful and capable which is surprising given what it is. The 4060 does probably allow me to run around double or triple the frame rates that the 760m allows but the 760m still gets me respectable performance and manages to run every game i throw at it. I cant wait to see what strix halo brings to the igpu realm. My 760m pulls 60warrs regularly and ive seen it spike as high as 80watts, thats insanely high for a mobile platforms igpu!!!!
So, hm, that VRAM limit on the 890M is set to 1GB? In Red Dead 2 at least it looks like. So, while same mempools, the 890 will constantly stream data from system mem to VRAM while the 3050 won't. I'd be curious if setting this to 4 or 6GB would make a difference.
The input VRAM limits are usually fake and it pulls as much as it can from ram anyway.
Igpu*
Am I right in those jumps in the frametime graph for the 890m are stutters? If so, the 890m seems to have a lot more stuttering than the 3050.
Yes they are. Some of that is bandwith related, some of it probably driver related. It's brand new. Might be fixed.
You might not using the intended power envelope for the 890M.
It is design for 28-35w power.
Beyond 35w the improvement is ineligible. There are tons of testing with 780m. It should be the same. Beyond 35w, the cpu n apu will be bottlenecked by thermal throttling. That's the cause of the stutters.
These apu need tweaking for the best result.
Try to capture the power reading using hwinfo. It's more granular in term of sensor reading
im really excited for these new powerful CPUs. now the average person doesnt have to spend $1000 on a gaming laptop to play games and is more portable now
Arc 140 @2.05GHz (Core Ultra 9 V288) rakes 6.56 TFlops in AIDA64 and 4,100 FireStrike Graphics, according to cpumonkey benchmarks. While 890M is at 5.52 TFlops and 4,084 FireStrike Graphics. It seems ram on substrate is only fruitful on heavy compute load, not gaming. However if Intel drivers are catching up, this year competition will be a blast.
Impressive but still 3050 > 890m. The frametime is still choppy on APU due to the lack of GDDR memory.
Hey mate, please make video playing games on 17w radeon 890m or 780m with afmf2 mate. Cheers 🍻
Pls do show the cpu core power consumption in RTSS ,to get an idea of the actual igpu power..or you can just reply n give that infor(average total core watts)
Not possible for the 890m / Ryzen 9. Only shoes the total TDP of the chip.
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i got a 16" asus vivobook s with a ryzen 9 AI HBO iHOP 370 HX, or whatever the hell the name of that CPU is. got this thing specifically for the iGPU. it's pretty bad ass.
So, rtx3050(35w)+5600u(15-20w) < ai 370 (60w). What the point of buyng new fancy thing?
3050 35w is trash anyway, i had in the past and played worse than the steam deck at the same 90hz refresh rate, idk it was something wrong with the laptop, vivobook pro oled 13 5800h 3050 35w
do comparison on 890M from 30w, 50w, and 60w cuz handheld most likely to only have 30w cuz they have small cooling fans
I did that in my other video where I compare it to the 780m
does anyone see an problem at 0:42 .. the app says 24Gb DDR5 yet task manager says 7Gb used of 15.6Gb.. I don't get it
Pre allocating 8 GB of VRAM of these 24GB results in the task manager now only displaying 16GB of System Ram available. :) That's why.
Strix Halo is going to be hot if it has more memory bandwidth that's what's holding back igpu's now need to add a couple more channels maybe
Innovations never fail to find a way to steal my savings. Cheers to my 3050 comrades.
Yesterday's performance for tomorrow's prices !
I'd love this APU in an IPS laptop. I don't like OLED. Too expensive, too fragile.
i dont think 890m coming to mid-lowends
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 I'd be happy with 780m. Lenovo is/was actually doing a laptop like that, but it wasn't sold in my country. :(
I have a razer 2016 blade with 1066 gpu 80w, is the 890m faster? I really would like to find a laptop with at lest the same gpu performance and great battery life.
Hm faster in SOME scenarios slower in others. But overall pretty similar.
If AMD threw away its AI engine on AMD Ryzen AI, I believe Sony Playstarion 4 Level GPU compute units could be reached while die area is still in the same space like Ryzen AI.
and its called STRIX HALO
What is the memory used for hx 370 ? Is it LPDDR5 or LPDDR5x ?
LPDDR5X
Could make better laptop specs tables, hard to compare, minimal gaming DDR5 speed is 5600MHz now
Handheld with 890m looks promising, but...with TDP 50-60W which is hard to achieve there
Oh it's actually quite faster at 20W against the 780m. Check out the video before this one.
now imagine if they put it in an actual gaming laptop with better cooling and faster RAM speeds
From my understanding with a 7840hs, the 780m gpu in it by itself consumes 60 watts then an additional 40 watts by thr cpu, so I'm pretty sure the 60 watts is not the entire APU but just the igpu
No, it's both combined. :)
I was hoping it wasn't this close as my Asus VivoBook Pro 14X w/ 11300H + 40W RTX 3050 is crying seeing this... Time to save for a new ProArt w/ 9 HX 370.
3050 is a 4 year old, non-expensive GPU. 890M is new. Also look at frametime graph, 3050 has way less stutters, it's a more playable gaming experience.
Yeah but I'm assuming that's the early driver's also, not only memory bandwidth. Also lots of games play smoothly with great frame times :)
@@Hubwood having dedicated vram and undervolting are also very big advantages.
dGPUs in fact, have so many advantages I don't even consider buying a laptop with only iGPU. iGPUs are great for battery life, not so much for gaming. My 780m in 6800H can't even handle Batman:Arkham knight at 60 fps, and that's a 2015 game. Same with No Man's sky, can't get 60 fps even at low settings, whereas I could on my previous GTX 1050 laptop.
Huh? 780m should easily outperform 1050m 🤔
@@TabalugaDragon I also only go for laptops with a dGPU for my SolidWorks/CAD work but yeah, I've HEAVILY undervolted my 3050 and it's way out of spec and I have no idea why it runs stable at such low-power. The laptop just has very poor battery life.. being Intel and 90Hz 3K OLED panel.
Radeon 890M is very good. Unfortunately amd only give strix point maximum RAM speed of LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s. It will perform even better if amd allow strix point to be paired with faster RAM. talking about RAM speed, Intel Lunar Lake will get 8533 MT/s from its on-package RAM. Can't wait to see the performance of this upcoming SoC from Intel!
The keyword might be memory bandwidth. That's supposed to be doubled with the upcoming Strix Halo APUs that also have 16-40CUs. So we're going to see massive upgrades soon. Probably ;)
@@Hubwood yeah i always forget that in gpu bandwith is more important than the speed alone. i also always forget that strix halo exist haha. i think it will be exciting time to see what next gen chip will bring to us
The apu has an efficiency boost due to close cpu proximity
I wonder if this 890m could handle "tankionline" mmo game at 165fps; this game isn't too heavy 3d. My RTX 3060 laptop could do 165fps but the temperature was like 80C and up.
How does raytracing alter the numbers?
Nah you don't want RT on with these chips yet 😅
@@Hubwood
No, no, no ...
We're not talking about a playable experience. But we're talking about bragging rights. Especially on an obscured online forums.
AMD is much more efficient..
??? The 3050 consume less power then amd
The 3050 is the GPU only.
The Wattage for the 890m is GPU and CPU combined.
@@Hubwoodmy bad i don't see gpu only lmao
this is a 4 year old low end Nvidia's GPU. Now compare it either to a 4070m at 35 watts or compare 3050 to AMD iGPU of the time where 3050 was the latest Nvidia's low end GPU. No, AMD is not more efficient. Maybe only at very low wattages, but not at around 50-60 watts overall power consumption(CPU+GPU).
P.S. also keep in mind that it's much easier to dissipate 60 watts from 2 different chips than from a single, small chip.
P.P.S. also keep in mind Nvidia can be undervolted and overclocked, unlike AMD APU. Dedicated vram is also noticeably faster. Look at frametime of the APU, it's much worse than of Nvidia GPU.
@@Hubwood I wish you limited the CPU to 25 watts then and showed its power consumption. Also, unlike AMD iGPU, Nvidia GPU can be overclocked+undervolted while keeping the same 35 watt power consumption. It would be even more efficient.
heavy memory bottleneck on the 890m. Looking forward to strix halo sku's with double ram bus width
Yeah, me too!
Why doesn't AMD just make a 6core with their top level onboard GPU for entry level gaming laptops? They're basically handing that market over to nVidia. They already own the handheld market, they can't possibly be that afraid of nvidia and if they're afraid they'll undercut themselves that's just as dumb.
I hoping the next generation is gone better and more low power and low tdp .
It's possible to use it at 16w or even less
Turn AFMF on and it beats the 3050 easily, there is a beta driver for AFMF2 which is much better.
its already great that non gpu laptop can compete w nvidia laptops
for those who used to work w smth like 1650 laptop would find this interesting, better perf, more stylish laptop
Not really those are fake frames, u can tell right away that it doesn't feel right. If only the 890m would reach up to 90 watts then it would most likely have the same amount of frames.
good video!
can you please test Minecraft Java on 890m
Will do
The frame times are pretty bad on the 890m even though the fps might be similar.
In some cases yeah... Also probably a driver issue, might be fixed
Those two GPUs are now trading blows. However, RTX 3050M is still overall better as 890M is memory bandwidth limited. It tends to stutter badly in games. This then leads to compromised experience and it will feel worse to game on 890M.
The main advantage of APU is its cost. Getting separate GPU from Nvidia is expensive. Getting any non-integrated GPU in your laptop is expensive. Laptops with APUs tend to settle at low prices in the market. 890M main advantage will be its considerably lower cost. However, it will never match performance of an independent GPU. RTX 3050 is a very poor GPU to begin with and it is already almost two generations old. It will be surpassed too and in the market, such old GPUs are being sold on a discount on laptops.
Another advantage is that it sucks less power, it is marginally useful for laptop, because it allows you to game on battery. Though, I fail to see how a normal person will game serious games while being unable to charge their laptop. I only gamed on a laptop like being on a bus. You can't play serious games there. I would fire up Hearthstone or would play some other, simpler, graphically undemanding games to pass the time.
for handheld it would be good, but for laptop, with a 4050 being as low as 600 euros, 700-800 for a decent one (like lenovo loq) and the 4060 for 800, and 900-1000 for a decent one (again lenovo loq, rest are trash at low end) there is no need for this, the 4060 performs exactly like the 4060 desktop, the 4050 performs like a bit lower than a 3060 (2060 super raw performance, but u can get more in new games) that's like 3 times fps (4 times for 4060 or almost) more than a 3050 35w so the same as the 890m
Unless you want a fancy ultrabook with oled display that also play games, so you don't have to buy another device, this is kinda worthless for laptop, and even then, playing 800p in a 1600p oled display is a blurry mess, i had one with this 3050 35w asus vivobook pro oled and the resolutions for reaching 60 (or 90 for competitive, as it was 90hz only) was too blurry for my taste.
In the contrary i can play at 400p on the deck and have acceptable imagine quality, kinda blurry but not massive blurry like on the laptop i mentioned
Yeah I think for this chip to be considered good for gaming, they need to make it work at 15-20w and use them in handhelds.
Comparison was not fair but still it gave an info on fps count. I saw other videos in which hardware combination was either 12500h + rtx 3050 or 13450hx + rtx 3050. In that fps count was higher with settings like 1080p medium/high/very high/some games even in ultra, 890m is not capable of that which can handle 1080p low/medium settings.
Biggest concern is price. 32gb Asus vivobook costs $1700 24gb $1400 while rtx 3050 with 12th/13th gen Intel CPU laptops costs less than $850.
13th/14th gen Intel CPU or amd 7000/8000 series CPU laptops with rtx 4060 costs around $1100. Why would a sane person spend more on this overpriced ryzen 300 series laptops.
Hey dude love your videos i just bought a brand new gaming laptop with a rtx 4050 and i am only getting 50 fps on cyberpunk with my brand new rtx 4050 75w laptop medium settings no frame gen 16gram i must admit on the first day i got the laptop it overheated and switched off because it was placed on even surface only for five minutes, would that have damaged my gpu. I get no gpu power rating on GeForce experience nether temperature
thanks hubwood
What are you talking about?
Question from you geeks out there. Like how apple does for its macbook the unified memory for cpu and gpu. If same unified relation thing were to be implemented on amd cpu and igpu would it improve the accessing speed? Though downside would be you can not upgrade ram? Lets just say they manage to give a 16gb unified ram for cpu+igpu at a reasonable rate. Wouldnt amd benefit from that in mobile/handheld section? Or thats just a pipe dream.?
Intel does this on their new Core Ultra Series 2 Lunar lake chips...
I cant find this specific vivobook from asus. does anyone have the exact model number for this?
M5406WA-QD126WS
@@Hubwood Thank you!
Dedicade vs on chip 🤔🤔🤔🤔 or 35w Mobile dedicade gpu + cpu Intel 20w OR Igpu 🤔🤔🤔
На 3050 все еще можно в рабочие приложения!
wow 890m is amazing
This is like desktop 1050ti level of performance
We want ryzen 4070 laptop fr
Whats a Ryzen 4070 though?
@@Hubwood its a meme started by ztt tech
How does the igpu compare to a 65w gpu
Well... That depends totally on the GPU 😅
AMD Fluid Motion Frames 2 can give more FPS for 700M and 800M iGPU
To use any Frame Generation it need 55fps at base steady then enable to enjoy.
@@SamRecon no 60fps/?
still waiting for AMD Strix Halo which has iGP 40CU
Also start saving money for it if you're planing on buying one :D
The fact that Intergrated graphics can now compete with RTX 3050 is really impressvie
Don't forget it's the low powered 35w version :) a full powered one is still faster ;)
@@Hubwood thank u for the perspective
He is running the APU at 50-60w which higher than default TDP
@@killermoon635 Its not really faster than at 45W. Maybe 1-2 FPS. If at all.
Será que o amd fluid motion frames 2 funciona nessa 890m?
Yes. Check out my review of 31 games on this laptop.
Yes. Check out my review of 31 games on this laptop.
Does it support smart access memory
should support
To be fair you should try to make a power scale vs perfromance comparison... I guess you can try 3050 at 15-20W, and is there where higher differences will be... to me 50-60w whole cpu is mediocre perfromance whenc compared with too expensive but good Apple Silicon + MacOS optimization... 890M is just +50% RX 6400 refresh, so closer to RX 6500 XT that to RX 6600 in RDNA3 and better 4 nm node... underwhelming but a baby step in the right direction.... and the 128 bit DDR5 ram bus is just a no no no NO for me... gtx 1050 vram max speed bandwidth in 2024? to a claiming 1070 to 1080 ti wannabe igpu....
Don’t forget afmf 2 😊
Yeah that's a possibility as well :)
ich glaube das APUs nie so stark sein werden wie eine echte Mittelklasse Grafikkarte. Es sei denn, ein neuer Hersteller betritt die Bühne und stellt selbst keine externen Grafikkarten her.
Denn bei APUs ist deutlich mehr drin. Viel mehr.
Also irgendwie widerspricht sich dein letzter Satz mit deiner Anfangsaussage :D
Streng genommen ist die 890m schon stärker als Mittelklasse Grafikkarten.
Ältere Mittelklasse Grafikkarten ;)
Die GTX 960 wird übertroffen, die GTX 1060 noch nicht ganz bzw. ggf nur selten.
@@Hubwood Ja, alte. Eine RTX 4060 oder eine RX 7600 aber schon nicht mehr. Man will seinen eigenen Markt schützen. wenn die wirklich wollten würden sie sich nur selbst Konkurrenz machen.
Das wäre markttechnisch eine Dummheit.
@@icu9916 ich denke, sollte eine so starke APU kommen... Wird sie halt auch kosten... Viel ;)
New A.I. maliware AMD 🍟 nice