Do Foreigners Pay Less in Thailand If They Speak Thai? (TAXI EXPERIMENT)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Lots of people ask me whether you get lower prices in Thailand if you speak Thai? So in this video, I tested that on the red car's in Chiang Mai!
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The experiment is not a failure, the hypothesis is just rejected :)
Precisely my thought! Very well put. 👏
@@tortiraz perhaps a phase 3 was missing. Having a Thai person requesting the same services to see if there would be any difference.
@@coisadealemao2565 Solid point.
The most passive aggressive comment I’ve seen today😭
Foreigners in England would call this racist
I'm Thai and honestly I don't like this kind of price discrimination at all. Everyone should be charged the same price for the same product.
Nah it's fine, if you go study abroad, they do have price discrimination with student tuition too.
You can't call the two prices discriminatory or unfair because they're applied to tourist attractions that are mostly run by the government. Prices do not differ in other commercial establishments such as restaurants, shopping malls, and so on. National treasures include natural and historical sites. Every Thai has their fair share. Foreign tourists are visitors to Thailand, so they should contribute to maintenance costs.
@@weekdaycycling You can actually call them price discrimination. It's a pricing strategy. And yes, I agree that the entrance fee for national treasures should be priced differently for foreigners. That's totally understandable. But it's kinda weird for taxis. Every taxi should have a meter based on distance, no?
@@tuck295q local (citizens) students fees are subsidised by the government. If you aren’t a citizen you usually need to pay the full fee at most universities around the world.
@@biravijnya When it comes to taxis, it should be referred to as cheating or exploiting. A taxi is obligated by law to charge by the meter. Arbitrary pricing in meter taxis is intolerable.
Loved the little disclaimers! And the way you handled the whole "experiment" was very respectful; there's nothing more uncomfortable to watch than videos where someone switches language mid-transaction and starts accosting the worker about price differences. Like you said, everyone's just trying to do their job at the end of the day!
Agreed so much. And also travellers who argue about prices, even when money that they think they are saving, is really small amount for them, but for the driver.etc, it could mean a lot.
Trying to do his job by charging different based on the way people look? Oh ok. If you do that in America, you are scum, but in Thailand, it is understandable. Typical guilty conscious foreigners. "They are beautiful and peaceful people!". Good lord.
@@saatara idc, if something is usually 1 dollar and they charging me 5 dollars, which is cheap, I won't get ripped off. Fuck off yeah?
To be fair I would charge more for non native language customers. Tourists suck.
@@martymcfly8535 The you should lose customers for that attitude. Tourist using your transportation don't "suck" anymore than any local taking up the space, bizarre attitude.
You should do this experiment with a native Thai person as a comparison.
to be honest, it's not "charge more for foreigner" as much as it's "charge more for people who accept it". the last one (to the airport) literally showed this: willingness to haggle/negotiate and walk away ended up with a discount. my mom's family get charged more while being thai because they don't haggle and don't want to deal with the hassle of negotiating/walking away.
Yes exactly. Supply and demand
Nah it’s charging people a different price for the same thing smh
perfect price discrimination
@@Lycoriste I'm Thai. His words mean chartered around. That is, in that lap he would not pick up other passengers. He will send you to the destination that means that he will waste time picking up another passenger for one round at a higher price than usual. That one is the normal price, same as other Thai people. But the price of 100 baht that you paid is the price that is cheaper than normal Thai people.
Not really. I accidentally talked in English and they charged us more than the original price they said it was and was not willing to change it.
Paddy I am guessing you have not been to Chiang Mai for a few years. The price is written on the truck in English and Thai. It is 30 baht for a drop off anywhere along the route the driver is going. If you want an exclusive ride (like the airport) it is about 150 baht and for this they don't pick up other people.
The price has not been 20 baht for many years, and asking for a discount with a red truck from the written price is like trying to bargain down a bus fare. It isn't done by locals, I guess only by uninformed tourists.
Welcome home however. Nice to see you back
Thanks for that extra nugget of information - I hope he reads this and realises he may have gone about this mistakingly :)
Yeah, this is my experience as well. No matter if you are using the red, yellow or white song thaew the price is written down, no difference for falang, thai or northern thai. I used to ride from CM city to Kad Falang and the price was consistent.
I've never had an issue with prices in songthaews unless trying to rent whole one. It's the taxis that are out to get you, especially in Bangkok and Samui. And the tuktuks too in BKK.
The "30 baht" has been newly added, approximately like in 2016? As for 2020 some drivers did still charge less if the distance is short and you speak Northern w/o Central influence.
Thanks that makes me feel better. I paid 140 baht for private trip to the airport in rush hour because I slept in and was in a massive rush :)
This experiment should be done on the same driver 😂. BTW Thai drivers speak good English though.
Of course, Chiang Mai is more like an international city than it is a Thai one..
Some do, some don't. They do all understand our foreigner pronunciation of Thai addresses. I always have rhe map or a translation ready my phone, just in case. I do hope Thai classes start up again soon. It feels much more polite to at least say simple sentences in the native language. In Mexico, I sometimes had a fun taxi ride with me practicing my Spanish while the driver practiced English in response.
I lived in CM for four years and I saw variation between different drivers in how much they would charge, so you'd want to use a larger sample size to see the actual average difference.
Even for Thai tourists and locals, the price can vary depending on your appearance. If you obviously look like a traveler from out of town visiting some popular tourist destinations, you will almost certainly pay more than the locals. This undoubtedly happens all over the world.
As a Thai person I got pretty much the same experience as you did. Transportation prices are widely equivocal here, totally varying by your stance for how likely you're gonna accept the higher calls. There was a time when I saw some of them made very high call for monks as persons supposed not to negotiate much. Foreigners are a kind of person they assume not very negotiating in majority, that's why they more often try to exploit first then compromise later after seeing you insist. Best way to avoid the double standard pricing is via fixed rates, and don't forget to remind them if they try to dodge turning on meters.
Great video Paddy! We have always wondered about this! Having spent alot of time in Chiang Mai, I have to say songtaews are reasonably consistent with their pricing. We were here 4 years ago as well and prices have certainly increased due to the economic situation and price of gas, which makes sense.
I’m half Thai and was married to a foreigner. Got a ride to our hotel for 500b one day, next day my husband was the one who asked for taxi and the guy quoted us 800 so I said (in Thai) “dude, yesterday it was 500!”. It was all fun, we laughed about it and he charged us 500 but just goes to show some do charge more for foreigners.
Not exactly a "laughing" matter knowing that someone attempted to cheat you 😅😅😅 I guess there's a positive to it that I'm maybe missing lol
Depends on if in tourist, bar, or area taxis may be able to find someone who will pay more. Who is unaware of normal cost. Taxi fuel cost are higher. Top tip. Use Grab and Bolt to get fare estimate. Then you have some idea of the cost.
why would you pay 500 for taxi? thats a lot within city
Yep had exactly the same thing happen previously, but in this case the taxi driver started arguing with my partner saying that, because she and he were both Thai, she should help him convince me that the higher rate was correct, because "farangs are rich" 😅 essentially telling her to play along! When I replied to him in Thai that he'd "given the game away" he juat drove off 🤣
Why ask them for the price beforehand? I have never asked for the price before in my life as a Thai. By law the price is by the meter. If they don’t want that, just report them.
If the price difference between Thais and foreigners is stated on the entrance sign, it means that all you have to do is as stated on the sign, even if you show your Thai driver's license or long-term visa. It could be useful in cases where the price is negotiable, such as Tuk Tuk and minibus.
I'm Malaysian (who look like a Southern Thai) and I speak central Thai. I never paid written Thai prices unless they needed me to show a บัตรประชาชน
I went to the songkla aquarium and was charged the farang price, but when I pulled out my Thai drivers license and spoke in Thai, they willingly brought the price down to the locals rate. Here in the south it's very rare to come across overcharging of farang.
I thought only the Northern women use “jao”?
Correct, men these days never say “jaow”, along time ago in history they did. Northern Thai men pronounce “krup” differently than middle Thai, it’s more nasal. I have heard some men say“Jaow”to female friends/relatives before to be gentle, but never to a taxi driver etc.
I liked that Paddy had a go and made her smile ;)
I think the women use "ja" and not "jao"
northern women use “jao” เจ้า… “ja” also used by women as a confirmation in speaking . Men generally don’t use either. I think Paddy was incorrect in his usage of เจ้า .
@@itsafunnyoldworld wrong. Guys and girls can say “ja” to those they are very close too (relationship/family/very close friends). Normally girl to girl, guy to girl or girl to guy.
@@breadgarlichouse2265 if a guy says “ja” to a woman, it’s normally his girlfriend or wife. My wife and I have been saying this for years to each other. I also say “ja” to my sister in law who is like my little sister
This only proves that not all people take advantage of other people just because of their race. I love how the drivers explained that both foreign and Thai is charge this price. Godbless them and I hope they are safe.
I used to live in Chiangmai as a university student at Chiangmai university. Now, I still don’t know the standard fare of Red car but it’s true that people who can speak the Northern Thai language are able to pay a cheaper price.
@@Ned88Man please don't promote this sentiment. Thailand is a (relatively) peaceful country and we don't need anyone to encourage any sense of separatism. It is what it is. Even "most" foreigners can live in Thailand with a strong sense of belonging to the country. Chinese who were born in Thailand also consider themselves Thai, without any rejection from the native Thais. Also, Farang who were born in Thailand and/or speak Thai like a native would also be accepted as a Thai.
Your statement is akin to promoting Scotland and Wales independence from the UK. If you're Scot or Welsh, I can understand your rationale underneath it.
@@siameseworld I am not promoting any "sentiment" I am just telling history and I am not sure why wanting a separate Scottish identity, nationality is a problem, I mean, they had a referendum for this a few years ago and people chose to stay, so it is what it is......of course Chiang Mai is part of modern Thailand, but there has been a long drawn out effort on the part of the Thai government to to their best to downplay any regional differences, even going as far as to call the different Tai languages "dialects"....Chiang Mai isn't going to succeed and nor should it...but nothing I have said is false...
@@Ned88Man the formation of the UK vs Siam/Thailand was similar, yet still different in many ways. Until these days, the 4 nations within the UK still remain and maintain their identity, but ironically their historic identity like Celtic languages are gradually being replaced by English. The formation of Siam/Thailand wasn’t as bloody and bitter as the UK or even Italy. People of all ethnic and religious backgrounds can live happily and in harmony in Thailand. And yes, there’s a separatist minority but I’m talking about the scale of being united in comparison to those in Europe.
Your remarks on government on downplay etc, that’s the political front but nothing to do with what the majority of Thai people want. I put an emphasis on “majority”. The propaganda of Kingdom of Lana was recently promoted by the ousted PM Thaksin and his supporters. Again, if you’re one of his supporters I would understand your argument.
@@siameseworld Erm isn’t this such a reach? Tourists are ripped off a bit everywhere esp when there is no fixed price (Even if I’m Thai, I don’t like shopping in the street market because of this). Bangkokians in general are asked to pay more during their holidays in the North or in the South. My Southerner friends when they first came to rent a room in Bangkok with thick accent were ripped off too just because the landlords/merchants realized they didn’t know the standard price for things. I don’t believe people are thinking about country separatism; they just grab the opportunity to earn as much money as possible.
@@piriyaj1347 you were missing half a story of this thread. The reference to separatism was about something else which is now removed.
bro if u dont want extra charges just book through the app smh
I lived in Thailand for 10 years (age 22-32.5; I am 36 now) I do believe (from my experience(s)) that, if you can speak Thai, it is a great thing but it is as equally important to know where the hell you are and the best routes. For example, you may be able to speak some Thai or at an intermediate level but if you do not direct the driver at all times (overlook) then, the driver tends to naturally (not always but often times) take the longest route to ensure the highest meter reading.
I say #1.) learn your Thai but at the same pace, learn your area(s) including free-ways, high-way tolls and other transport options such as Sky-Train and #2.) smile and be friendly to your driver.
I'm now back in San Francisco, glad I spent ALL of my 20s in Thailand, I lived in each corner of the country in addition to extensive travel in this quadrant of the world; do it while you are young folks!
Krub 555 ;)
Hope it was misspelled. My “friendly” nit pick is “Khob Khun” 😝. But yes, I heard American folks keep saying “Khap Khun”.
Similarly, Chiang Mai is not Chang Mai. The “Chiang” is like how you say “Liam”. So it goes like this … Leeee-am and Cheee-ang.
I live in Chiang Mai and my Thai wife does the negotiating. But you're right the last couple of years have been tough. I don't mind paying a bit extra.
But don't get me started on the 10x pricing on some national parks.
Next time maybe pay the drivers who you didn't end up using anyway. Makes sense as you will make money from the video. Just a thought as it would also endear you more to your audience and you also felt bad doing it.
การเรียนรู้ภาษาไทย ก็เป็นข้อดีในการอยู่เมืองไทย จริงๆแล้วคนไทยมีน้ำใจและความขบขันมาก เป็นมิตรภาพที่ดีครับ
Been here all year and 99% of the time i get quoted local price 👍
Taxis can be an issue worldwide, I've had them turn the meter off at night in my home town and try to charge me over the odds on a regular journey I do...
As mentioned here already, many tourists choose to pay a higher amount and justify it to themselves that they are still paying less than if they were at home. These types of tourists ruin it for the rest of us.
I bought a car, because my wife paid 10 and I had to pay 30 or 40 same distance, acting as not knowing each other…..😢 you should ask a Thai for the quotation.
So do you test something 🤔 what everybody tourist known since over 40 years in Thailand. But this happend at every *tourists places* around the world!
The typical tourist not informed herself what the typical price for rent or pay of a product before travel. Then spend some people too much money (extra tips) but not see that s/he kill the prices of this product for the next buyer. 🤮🤑
I experienced it in Phuket when I wanted to go to a public toilet. Had to pay a Thai 5 baht, I had to pay 10 baht.!!!I then asked him why I had to pay more!? if a farang would make a bigger turd than a thai.
Really interesting experiment!
I'm also amazed that transportation costs are so different across Thailand.
I'd be curious to see the experiment with a Thai person to find out if Thai people and foreigners really pay the same price.
This is the case for every Asian developing country. You have a foreign face=most likely you have more money=can exploit your lack of price knowledge and charge more
The experiment isn't fully completed. You need a Thai person to ask. Just because you're speaking Thai it doesn't mean it's a free pass to discounts.
If you're a foreigner and want the cheapest taxi rides, just get a thai friend to stop the taxi and say the destination and price to the driver, then you get in and go lol. Example of this is when im leaving my GF's condo to go back to mine, the motorbike stand outside her condo gate will try to charge me 50 baht every single time, but they only charge her 20 baht when she goes from her condo to mine. So i just started letting her call over the motorbike taxi, say the destination and say 20 baht, they say ok thinking she's getting on, then i get on instead.
From my experience on this between thai speaking foreigners and non thai speaking foreigners, is that for the most part you may get a slight discount sometimes (not always) for speaking thai vs not speaking thai, but it's not going to get you the same price thai people pay. The advantage of speaking thai is that if you live here long enough you will eventually run in to taxi drivers who try to scam you, and the ability to speak thai will greatly help in those situations.
why the red car charges more when there're 2 people? isn't it just like a taxi and charges whatever based on the distance, not on the number of people?
This was an unexpected result, but I'm glad to see things worked out this way.
Good vid Paddy, but I knew it wasn’t going to be successful in the Thai vs farang price with the songtaew’s in Chiang Mai. It really just depends on each driver to be honest, some are fair others are just greedy.
Taxi’s in Sydney are starting to get dodgy, even though I grew up here. I have had two recently who didn’t want to use the metre and another hit the higher surcharge when I got in. All during the day, mid week.
Nice seeing you in my second home. Safe travels.
I have always found taxis to be dodgy in every country. Never all drivers of course. But even in countries with no reputation for scams there are dodgy taxi drivers. I worked hospitality for 20 years in Sydney and some of the prices foreigners told me they paid for taxis from the airport were shocking.
You don't have to pay anything other than what is on the meter. If the driver "forgets" or refuses to turn it on, then simply walk away.
I remember taking a taxi in new Zealand after being in SE Asia for months. Was about ready to cry by the time the meter stopped and had to get my cash out! Hadn't been ripped off, just about ten times the price of a Thai taxi.
@@nightsau exactly. Still annoying regardless
The fact you didnt have thai person go up a and get a price qoute kind of ruins the experiment. You got the forienger quote and the foriener who speaks thai quote. But you never got the thai who speak northern thai quote.
Excellent experiment! I have spent a few decades in and out of Thailand, am married to a lovely Thai lady and we have kids. We own a home out near Saraphi Chiang Mai (SE) . I've found it definitely helps to speak Thai when negotiating prices. Be polite, smile even joke some if you can. Thai's will appreciate it even if you are just learning. It shows respect. Here's a tip for first timers, don't just take any "old" taxi truck aka rote dang, aka songtau. the old beat up ones can be a nightmare. You jump in, it's hot outside and in. (most don't have fans) then as you start to go, it fills with fumes and diesel smoke. Pass the ones that don't look cared for.
What's so great about W-foreigners who can speak thai or english in the kingdom.🙉
นั่นน่ะสิ👏
You might earn a bit of respect?
ทำไม...เชียงใหม่ ไม่มีรถประจำทาง แบบราคามาตรฐาน คิดตามระยะทาง
เมืองท่องเที่ยวระดับโลก บริหารจัดการได้แย่มาก เชียงใหม่ไม่มีผู้ว่าเหรอ
The price says right on the bus 30 baht/person so way do you ask 20 baht????
ขนาดเราคนกรุงเทพตอนไปเที่ยวเชียงใหม่ก็รู้สึกเหมือนโดนอัพราคาเหมือนกันค่ะ เราว่าเรื่องอัพราคา(กรณีพวกรถรับจ้าง)น่าจะเป็นกับเกือบทุกพื้นที่ท่องเที่ยว
สิบปีก่อนไปเยาวราชซึ่งไม่เคยไปเลยไม่รู้ราคาแถวนั้น ตุ๊กตุ๊กเห็นเราดูไม่ชำนาญทาง จากที่ควรจ่ายแค่ 50-60 โดน 150 มั้งวันนั้น จำไปตลอดชีวิตเลย😂
C'est normal que les gringos qui profitent de la conversion de leur devise dans un pays du tiers monde payent plus cher... C'est une forme de justice. Parce qu'il faut pas oublier que les grands gagnants de la mondialisation c'est nous... européens et gringos. A un moment il faut être conscient de ses privilèges.
One of your best Paddy, I’m loving your work
You need 2 more... Thai speaking thai and thai speaking english.
OMG พี่อยู่เชียงใหม่ อยากเจอ อยากทำคลิปด้วยกันจังเลย อยู่กี่วันคะ
รถแดง..เป็นรถโดยสารที่ราคาขึ้นอยู่กับการต่อรองตกลงกันก่อนขึ้น..แม้กระทั่งคนไทย..ยังมีราคานักท่องเที่ยว/ราคานักศึกษา/หรือราคาคนอู้เมืองเลย/ราคาเวลาด่วนรถติดไม่ติดอีก..และถ้ารีบก็มีราคาเหมาไม่รับคนเพิ่มก็จะแพงขึ้นหน่อย 5⁵..อย่าได้แปลกใจเลย
ผมเจอราคานักท่องเที่ยวตอนไปเชียงใหม่ รถจากตีนดอยขึ้นพระธาตุโดนไป 400 นั่นราคาตอนช่วงโควิดนะครับ แทบไม่มีฝรั่ง ไม่มีนักท่องเที่ยว เป็นราคาเหมาแบบไปกลับ รอรับ (อะไรไม่ว่าขากลับยังจะแช่รอคนเพิ่มอีก)
Good experiment. Do you think changing the variables a bit and having a Thai local with you (along with asking the same driver--maybe waiting 10 minutes in between requests) would have changed the outcome any? Great social experiment done tastefully.
I live in Chiang Mai and my wife is Thai. Usually after I'm done speaking to a taxi or a lote dang the driver will just start talking to my wife. My guess this would be the same in your said experiment
I think it would be a better experiment if you ask local Thai person to assist you. You already get a different price just the way you look.
My friend did the same video like 8 years ago. He's local, but looks not local. Got like 5 mil views but he took it down cause the red truck drivers were freaking out. It was something like 150thb to festival from Maya when he spoke English and 20thb when he spoke Northern. Lol
I stayed in Chiang Mai quite long time. The driver at 4:25min says the truth. It is a lump sum.... it is not negotiable. If you like to try this experiment again, try it with tuk tuks in bkk, I bet there it will be much different.
I'm currently on holiday in Phuket... It's really been an eye opener for me how much I take for granted at home. We hired a taxi van to be driven around for 6 hours. Got a price of 1800b, finished early and gave the driver a total of 2000b.
The way I see it, we got driven to 4 major landmarks and tourist spots and he waited for us at each one, recommended where to go and was ready to go to the next spot whenever we are. Even with the extra tip, it was cheaper than a hotel package tour - and we could detour at will... All for the sake of $85AUD - less than a dinner out back in Australia.
You can see from the closed resorts, closed shops and just looking around, COVID has made people have a really hard time.
What things cost here is almost insignificant compared to back home - so I don't mind showing some extra kindness to make someone's day better.
We did the same thing but my gf's a thai and she negotiated the price. The driver wanted just 1000b. In total we were 7 hours on the road driving us to Central Mall/Aquarium, Premium Outlet and finally driving us to a bbq place.
The entire time he waited for us in the van nearby. We even tried to invite him to eat something at the bbq place but he refused.
Granted we gave him a good tip after the whole day though.
I like to reward the honest ones who don't try to overcharge. I've been many times, and my wife is Thai, so I know about how much things should cost. If they charge a reasonable price, I usually give them a substantial amount more. They are also much more appreciative of the extra money, judging by their reactions usually.
I do agree with what you said though, everything is so cheap, even when we get "overcharged" it's not really much compared to western counties, and I still feel like I get a good deal.
Red taxis are so annoying even for thai people...
Maybe next time you could have a Thai person as part of the experiment?
I hate to bring up the obvious, but also your Thai has a bit of an accent. It’s understandable and I commend you for picking up Thai since the language has many intonations and it’s not super easy but it still sounds like you’re not native born…. So that might still reflect in the prices you receive.
It’s not necessarily a failure in your experiment because you didn’t have a Thai person with you that that’s fluent to compare the experiences.... because speaking Thai and still looking foreign will still be the same price because all they see is you're foreign. Its super unfortunate and it sucks, but that's just how they do things.
The person in the beginning of your video basically told you if you look foreign, you won’t be getting the Thai rate because of the way you look... They might give you a bit of a discount only if you sound like Thai was super native to you.
The moment you ask the price, you're identifying yourself as non-resident of Chiangmai.
People who live there, be it Thais or foreigners, know the price by distance. They just hand the correct fare to the driver. No cheating either.
Yep this is what I learned in Mexico and Central America. When locals or long term expats told me taxi prices I would just hand that amount to the driver and it worked most of the time. When you don't have exact change it's trickier (-:
I’d love to see this experiment in places like PhaNgan and Pattaya.
Instead of foreigner price they should have a tourist price, and residents could carry a card or something like this.
I think this is the best idea so far
I like your white and gold shirt
at 5:41 sounds like saying thanks in Vietnamese 😁
You should try the exact same trips in Tuk tuk's....it will double or triple!!!
Nice video.
I live in CM but out of the city in Doi Saket. Locally here I feel I pay Thai price for everything. Sometimes in the city I am not so sure, but all good anyway :)
Good point. Foreigners who've spent only a little time in Thailand don't often know the difference between tuk tuks, songthaews, etc. Paddy probably does but knew his audience I suppose.
We don’t do that in America or Canada so
mate. well done. i love respectful you are in handling this whole experiment. explaining to people how this is not something you should push too hard for. Unlike some youtubers out there.
I never pay more than 30 bhat. It states on the side 30 and no one has ever tried to charge me more.
Try the aquarium in Bkk. I'm Asian Canadian and spoke basic Thai and got the cheaper price. The farang price is double there. They knew I was a foreigner
Good morning. How much did you pay? Cheers from Toronto.
@@Nature_with_Peter_Kane I think 5 or 6 hundred baht
@@jasonwong64 ok thanks!
Here in Belgium someone made a show about going to capital cities in other countries to fall for the biggest traps for tourists (mostly wrong taxi price and women taking you to a bar and Charging a small fortune for their 'company').
He searched the official taxi Prices and if it was a lot more than official he went in discussion, paid official price and left.
In Thailand or even in Bangkok if you're not using a standard transportation like Tuk Tuk(transportation for tourists) or taxi with no meter you guys have to understand that's there are no fixed rated for these kinds of transports it's mean that you have to chat with them and try to bargain by yourself, it just a game, for Bangkok people I have those experiences too and many of my Thai frinds have those experiences too. But foreigners just do not know and thought that it's a Thai and foreigner price but it is not.
I have to say the fact that this is illegal to do that and everyone could call 1584(free)and tell them, and those Taxi or any bad transports have to pay 3,000 baht(us$100) and couldn't drive their taxis for 1 month just to not use their meters or do bad things, I'm not really sure that the people who called 1584 and let them know the problem get money for rewards or not.
But like you've known Paddy, It is Thailand and most people really thaat those people are still struggling so who want to do that to them. And yes that's why those problems are still exist.
For me as Bangkok people I never deal with no fixed price transports as you can see that no Thai people in Bangkok use Tuk Tuk. Lol
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ผมนั่งรถแดงจากสนามบินเข้าไปในเมืองและจากในเมืองไปสนามบิน ช่วงน้ำมันราคาไม่แพง ก่อนโควิด ก็โดน 120-140 บาทต่อคน ทุกครั้งเลยครับ
Give it a crack at a few National parks. If you’re nice and friendly with the staff and have a bit of banter with them in Thai, at least 70% of the time you can get in for the Thai price.
Agree, a few times I’ve been with my Thai wife and mother in law who’s a teacher, and she just tells them I’m a teacher at her school. I then get Thai price. Done this a few times over the last 15 years or so
@@macarthy yes and no about the license. What is the pink card?
@@macarthy work permit too
Same thing happened when i lived in bangkok as a kid. Both my parents are Chinese and we live there cuz my dad got transferred for work few years before i was born. At the time he's probably lived there 10 years and speak very good Thai. He's also darker skin and can pass as a Thai. There's a group of Thai people who live in Thailand with Chinese ancestors so he probably passed as that. He always got the cheaper price like when we go to places like Safari World. And we got the farang price even tho my mom and I can both converse in Thai (i dont speak thai to my parents).
You can get local prices in safari world with a work permit. You just have to let them know.
Yesterday I got way extra chicken in my Guay Tiew Nam Gai because I asked in Thai and answered all questions in Thai (which noodles? Eat here/takeaway? Bag or bowl?) I really noticed and it was nice
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Please do another experiment, non-Thai speaking foreigner VS local. You will be shocked.
I get that would be annoying if you live there full time.
If I'm a tourist (middle class European dude) in a deceloping country, I expect to pay more for the same, and I'm honestly fine with it. I think of it like a tourist tax. This way, tourism is beneficial to people in the service sector, and I'm not just being an annoyance, lol.
It does create a bit of a us and them mentality, so it's not great that way. What I'd like most is to visit someone else's country on completely equal terms, but that's unfortunately not really how the world works right now, if you come from a rich country, visiting a poorer one. This inherently creates a weird power dynamic.
If they can even that dynamic out by charging me more, then I definitely accept that.
in Kazakhstan, even if you travel to one place in the 4th, you pay as for one, I'm surprised that each passenger has to pay for himself, even if the destination is the same
In my small town to any place 250tg (like $0.6) 500 meters or 3km, always 250tg
Your experiment is flawed! Get a Thai to ask and see the RAHKAH?? Then get a local and see? Taking the drivers at their word??? Anyways, I think considering the lap of luxury most of us live in (by comparison) we shouldn't begrudge them their hard fought for income. I played this game with a Thai friend,,,I would hide ....he would say "Tao rai sorng con?" they would quote and then the forang would appear,,,,and the argument would start....but it gave us a starting point to negotiate! 😆😆 I tired rapidly of the maleficence this game created and just payed full freight!! Bad karma if the game persisted.
One time on a boat to Phuket there was a food vendor selling fried chicken. The American bought his for 2 bucks US (twas in the distant past) .....then an Italian got his for the equivalent of 1 US dollar.....the American hearing this was livid and let the vendor know of his ire..... the vendor calmly proceeded to point out the advantage of the exchange rates enjoyed by US citizens as compared to the Italian Lira.....truly hilarious.
Really good experiment. I get that alot of these people need to make money and that a few baht difference for foreigners isn't that bad. However I dislike it when the price for foreigners is significantly more expensive. Had a tuktuk driver tell me 500 baht for a trip once and then I spoke thai and he said 50baht would do it.
was in sukhumvit and wanted to get to yaowarat. Lazy to walk from MRT station and counldnt get a grab/bolt. Initially we just said "Chinatown " and the taxi driver said 400 baht. We switched to speaking Thai to ask.for a lower price and the driver immediately told us "Oh you speak Thai? Then please take another cab" The driver was frank with us and said he prefered to take "New foreign tourists" who couldnt speak or understand Thai as they are.more oblivious to the "correct taxi prices and distances in Bangkok"
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เพราะส่วนใหญ่ เมื่อก่อนคนจะชอบคิดว่า
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แต่ในคลิปนี้ทำให้เห็นเลยว่าคนไทยนิสัยดีขึ้นกว่าเมื่อก่อนเยอะมาก
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In my eyes it showed clearly that you profit from speaking thai. especially if you use taxi or rot mee daily... on a yearly basis youll safe a lot. its not double or tripple but 10 baht is 10 baht. nice video!!!!
30 baht is the normal price for a local ride - if you want to go further afield it will cost you a little more - but don't get ripped off, as a similar experience - i asked a Rot Dang (red) driver how much to San Khampaeng - he said 250 baht - went across the road to Rot Kao (white) 30 baht but i have lived here 15 years so know when they are taking the piss.
150 from central Chiang Mai to the Airport is not expensive - it would cost you at least 250 in a taxi - the Rot Dang drivers need to cover fuel costs after dropping you off at the Airport they need to return to the centre of Chiang mai again -they would be lucky to get a customer from the Airport.
Are the drivers guilty of racial discrimination? If so,is it illegal to do what they are doing? I’m guessing that if they visited a country and were treated in a similar way, they wouldn’t be happy about it.
I used to live in CM for a couple of years and the songthaew price used to be 30thb per trip
Due to the economics, The price is not 20 baht anymore even though I am Northern Thai speaking and wearing a student uniform ( as a student discount). The only way I can pay 20 B is by speaking northern Thai and GRABBING a 20 B BANKNOTE 😂.
Looks like the biggest scam in this entire endeavor was your RUclips thumbnail - implying that foreigners be asked to pay 1000% premium (1$ vs $10), meanwhile you were barely asked for 25-35%....literally pennies.
Nice 👍🙏🏼 bro 😎 let’s put that way when we try to go to show with Thai friends the price was different for Thai and non Thai it’s not big deal like for Thai like $1.00 for for non Thai is $10 U.S.A they do copy from the law ❤
Pleasantly surprised to see the results
In my case, I Speak Central Thai, and from Bkk, I got charged more than you who is blonde hair but speaks Thai lol
Well, being English speaking Thai (showing foreign friends around Bkk) and ended up getting foreigner price on Tuk Tuk.
This was very interesting. I had also expected the prices to be different. That's mostly due to a Thai sitcom i used to watch. There was a Thai guy pretending to be a foreigner to flirt with a girl, but then when they got into a tuktuk and the owner asked for the payment in English, the Thai guy got very offended and started yelling at him for overcharging with expensive foreigners' prices. It was quite the hilarious scene. So, even in Thai media, there is this image of different charges for foreigners and natives.
Personally, I wouldn't even be mad to be charged a little bit more, because prices in Thailand are very cheap compared to pretty much all farang countries, so us farangs are already getting so much service and so many goods for such low prices, it's still a nice deal (and let's not forget farang tourists like me also earn more in our countries than most people who live in Thailand). Plus, we get to support local businesses and workers directly, especially in jobs that are quite demanding, so i feel it's alright and don't mind it. I would find it frustrating if I were living and working in Thailand and I still got charged foreigners' prices, of course.
pisses me off when they do it cause I live here, not on vacation, I don't care if some american makes more, I'm not in america, I live here, I refuse to pay extra for stuff like this.
The service fee is 30 baht next to the car. It's during the world gas range. It's not high. You come to Bangkok, Phuket. The car service fee is hundreds or more. If you call grab and taxi in Chiang Mai, you have to pay more.
I was with Thai friend in Hua Hin. Mall to hotel for me 250 bht. Every time.❗ . My friend could not believe it. He pays 120 to 140.. 🙄
Are you arguing with .50 cents? You don't even pick them up in the US. Your GIANT brother manspreading for 3 thai passengers? 40 bath to a US dollar now, give them a break. Gas at Costco is almost $6 to a gallon. A tip, if you negotiate and start walking away but the seller is not asking you to come back and take the deal means he/she did not give you the up pricing, to begin with. Those poor people work so hard, please give them a break.
I encountered this problem even though I am Thai. Especially when using the red car service in Chiang Mai. If you speak Central Thai You will get more expensive than speaking with a local accent.
Yea the drivers in Chiang Mai for the most part are lovely people, very little corruption. I had no problems there getting overcharged, even using the tut tuts or red taxi's that hung out by the hotel I was staying, which was one of the most expensive in the city.
Try the same experiment in bangkok.. Even though the taxis rates are government regulated there, (they must use meters, illegal not to).. Doesn't matter. Can't tell you how many times i heard this
"So sorry! Meter broken! But I give you real good rate, only 1000 baht" (Often didn't matter how far the destination was, 2 min drive, 1000 baht is what they'd ask lol)
And i don't speak thai. Didn't matter if I had my thai date ask them, the moment they saw me, the meter was broken.
So I started having the hotel concierges deal with them, and they know what they do so, so they had a massive list of banned license plates, but didn't matter, was like 80% of drivers corrupt that did this. So they'd take down there plate, hand you a copy and take one for themself, demand the drivese turn on the meters right away. Usually worked, but a couple really brazen drivers would little drive just a little away from the hotel, stop and say "So sorry meter broken!" .. I just got out of the car.
Worst is Phuket. 100% unregulated, all tourist trap lands, so even the locals get ripped off. During peak times they straight up charge rates higher than you'd see in NYC or Toronto. Maybe if you're really lucky and 100% Thai and the drives feeling especially kind, they will give you some reasonable rate, but for hte most part - they have an alliance to all charge insane rates. It's so bad to the point the drivers are all the richest ppl in the city, they ride around in decked out party vans with TVs and even high end scotch and wine you can buy lol.
Literally the resorts fancy limousine services is cheaper than the taxi's there at peak times.
And forget uber, it's gone long, it's local equivalent - "Grab" , it's prices are the same as the locals will charge, it's nuts. (well except they can't try to even further increase the prices).
For example that short 100 baht ride to the airport easily becomes 3000+ baht in phuket at christmas time.
You speak thai you pay local price if you speak English you pay foreigners price fairy.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Guess it's tolerable if the price gap no more than 30-40%,
since tourist coming to destination countries for pleasure,
and we all know that one of thailand's biggest revenue is tourism,
*Ofcourse there always be "backpacker" tourist, but everything's getting more expensive nowadays (inflation reasons)
Well, go to Czechia, South Moravian wine cellar and ask for wine with english or Prague accent... And then look from where locals get wine :-D That's everywhere;-)
How about Thai ppl and many nationals have to pay visa to Australia, US, UK, NZ etc.? Example visa express fast track in UK cost more than 300 euros. Not even counts to a ppl who's paid to applied a visa and not even step thier foot in those countries bcoz rejected visa? Is that fair to treat other foreign?
I've been to C.M many times, and usually stay in Chiang Mai Gate. I would never get a taxi to Thaipai Gate, just walk, it's not that far and I'm in my 70's
I'm a native of Chiang Mai. I wish these red truck mafia all go bankrupt. If you interview people here, you'll find that most will have very negative view about them: pricey, slow, , disrupting traffic, thuggish behaviour etc.
In northern Thailand you’ll find simple and honest people. But in the south, around the tourist area you’ll probably find totally different drivers, so the experience should be around the Islands. Especially tuk tuk driver that I dislike so much. They’re the biggest scammers I’ve ever seen. I prefer to walk than to across them.