The car GPS in the middle of the road there’s the road on the right and left but the GPS says go left points right if it says go right it just points left
Lol I’ve had google maps tell me to exit a freeway, go to the light, make a u-turn, get back on the freeway going the opposite direction and within 2 seconds I had arrived at my destination... 😂😂
Well, it's good to know that every minor business in China is safe from intercontinental missile strikes that use Google Maps for orientation. Edit: I swear to god, no one on this damn site understands a joke.
@@saiv46 it sure does. It can easily make the difference between a hardened target surviving or not. And that’s very much more the case for more modest bombing.
@@JasperJanssen even so, it is easy to get around the error in this Chinese method to avoid that the coordinates are "right", because it is possible to easily correct using an AI or a program to synchronize the map of roads with the real map.
@@junct... I don't know if I'm too embarrassed and angry like a child or agree with you, but I believe that would be useful for not only hissing missiles but also some systems that need a an accurate map, for example, (I couldn't imagine anything better) an autonomous drone that has to go from point A to B using only pre-received images
Serial Killer: "What are you in for? Student: "Cartography" Serial Killer: "NooooOOOOooooo!!! Guards! GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!! Don't leave me here with this psycho!!!"
a guy that would go to prison for his map sounds more dangerous than most criminals, he is even going to prison for it so who says he won't skin you if he runs out of paper
This is so true !!! I was in Xiamen, China last year for a 19 hour layover, so I went to explore the city. On my google maps I saw a river with a bridge crossing it so I decided to walk 45 min to explore and see it. When I got there, no sign of any water or any bridges, just a regular city. I was so confused 😭
This is somewhat misleading in that you won't ever actually face the problems stated in the video. In reality, you use a distorted map with distorted coordinates that sends you to the right place.
@@cong4559 No. It communicates that China is uncooperative and not interested in ease of doing business. After watching this, I don't think I want to go there.
@@runningfromabear8354 Considering the current political attitude from Washington and Trump's banning of Chinese companies etc... I'd say China is not the one that is uncooperative and not interested in ease of doing business. Quite the opposite actually. More people would agree that they didn't want to go the US having seen Trump swing his dick around.
@@cong4559 The only company that has really been banned is Huawei which has had so much evidence brought against them of spying, stealing designs, and working closely with the Chinese government. Almost everyone agrees with the decision that was made to ban that company. China has been taking advantage of not just the United States but everyone, basically and were just the first ones to take action on it. The banning of this company is completely justified. We are now at a trade war that China knows if they do not get out of they are in big trouble. The United States can hurt the Chinese government way more than they can hurt ours and they know that. Maybe if China would stop stealing IP and trying to spy on us this wouldn't be a problem.
@待化的冰 why long live China, you don't have freedom of speech and expression. How I know Chinese citizens should use VPN services to access outside world, total surveillance, and total corruption, you can shoot any high government official for corruption and you will be right. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I hope one day republic of china which is an independent country and legitimate chinese government takes over your sorry mainland. Greetings from taiwan
One thing you missed: Chinese gov made this coordinate system very pricey too, there is a huge amount of licensing fee even for the authorized companies to make the map.
the other joke about this is that some incompetent "GIS demo" program was published with source on Google code and everyone learned the algorithm from it commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PRcoords_Cheatsheet.pdf (the one I linked to is my cleaned-up code; if you click through the GitHub link in it you will find a link to the googlecode project archive where it got leaked from. disclaimer: that code is ugly af)
That's because the massive amount of bribes the corrupt Communists receive are never enough to support their drinking and KTV debauchery habits. Not to mention their affairs!
Well it should be well known by everyone, that Google & Co. give Data to CIA and Mossad, so I think it's a good decision from China to not give them all that control over their Data.
"It's not no longer in a lake because the map is correct: it is no longer in a lake because the satellite map is also wrong." Perfect metaphor for the modern world.
@Mitchell Hart Yes, yes, yes whatever. Just keeping watching ur Fox/CNN and believe in their propaganda lol. Watching ur comment is really entertaining cuz u must have watched a lot of TV propaganda thing to write this long paragraph man. BTW I would admit that the Chinese media did lose to you guys when it comes to brainwashing and propaganda. At least in china we only exaggerate the number of police brutality and school shooting (which it really does), but in western you guys are just making things up lol.
@@binchunsu im not sure if what he said is true or propaganda but if china really isn't that hell hole of a country, can you tell me why tf are there so many chinese immigrating here in the philippines? I mean, god damn, zambales is basically a mini china ffs.
Not delusional, but paranoia. You know, in many Chinese war story, the first thing to do before making war is making map. The CN govt just so paranoia they don't want anybody to have an accurate map of CN, so that no invasion can be effective. But I bet all strong countries like US or Russia have their own military surveillance satelites and can make an accurate map of CN, at least for all important government/military facilities.
@@quocle7304 In all likelihood, anyone with the resources to fight a mainland war with China would have the resources to get obtain accurate maps, ether by clandestinely mapping the region or by just stealing China's.
Don't know what you are talking about. Why are you mentioning Tiananmen Square? Can't think of anything notable happening there in 1989. Can anyone else?
I still can’t imagine how that damn fishing vessel crossed a while Damn ocean, without getting lost or sinking. It’s just impossible that boat was a regular fishing boat!
I lived in China for a time, and it's really interesting to see how creative my Chinese friends were in getting around arbitrary things like this. My friends kept mental maps, and navigated by landmarks. Me, I just used the satellite view, which mostly worked.
I was going to say when I went to China a few years ago and used Google Maps (and other similar apps) to navigate around Beijing, Shanghai etc it worked fine. I was able to find everything, down to particular shops. There might have been a shift of a few tens of metres but not enough to make navigation difficult...
As a HongKonger, I've noticed this a long time ago, the maps and satellite images never match. Quite annoying at times. Always wondered why Google never bothered to fix it.
As a mainlander I also was confused until someone told me about that a few years ago. Well, I don't think I would ever drive to Hong Kong so that probably won't be very annoying for me at least.
@@Apodeipnon thanks for that even though I knew it. I wonder what happens to the airplane GPS ? They might be having correct maps right ( at least airport location)
That's pretty crazy... Ok, granted, the national security argument might hold *some* water. But economically the costs of doing things this way definitively outweighs the advantages...
I mean not even the defence thing makes sense ...you think NATO/Russia/Japan/Korea e.t.c nations don't have the ability to get accurate satellite and GPS info? Clearly even Google can get the correct information (how else do they correct it) they just can't use as they'll get locked out the Chinese market.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese are smarter than that. The wrong maps are just there for foreign companies. The right and accurate maps are only available from Chinese map apps I bet.
All American maps include intentional inaccuracies. Not for military reasons, but so the publishers can prove that somebody else just copied their map instead of making their own. As an example, I once found a map that showed a small dead end road in our hay field.
4:53 In conclusion, there's no way to know where anything in China actually is. But since you can get the Chinese satellite map that has been distorted by the GCJ system can't you compare that to an accurate satellite map, determine how the distortion has been applied and find the appropriate correction, and then apply that correction to street map?
As a programmer, that was my first thought- it sounds very simple to do, but I imagine it's illegal - And companies aren't well known for wanting to be on the bad side of China, considering the population of China is seen as another source of profit, and the companies don't tend to mind bending the knee occasionally.
How you can "determine how the distortion has been applied"? If you don't have actual location of places, unless you are actually in that place and have way to measure it (without being catch by Chinese police), which is probably difficult
@@MaraMara89 By comparing their GPS apps to satellite photos. You can start the calculation of the distortion based on easier-to-recognize landmarks, such as bridges, tall buildings, and highways. It's a really trivial calculation to get usable results.
@@weeveferrelaine6973 No, you can't at least if the random number generator used for scrambling isn't a pseudo-random one. If they used cryptographic RNG then you need to know the seed to get what you want. Well unless you want to brute-force every single pixel.
FYI Tesla is one of the best selling car brand in China, especially model 3 where been produced in Shanghai Tesla super-factory (it was built just before the pandemic mostly to circumvent US-China trade war and retaliating tax on US made vehicles). Tesla is as popular as BMW, Audi, Mercedes, and Porsche in China
@@progamerbufovi You don't get the idea, for HK to adopt gps system, it's easier for the west to blow up their target and maybe mass killings, if the ccp were to convert the GPS to beidou, there'll be a whowha for undemocratically converting to authoritarian rule, and it's against the wish of HK democratic society.
@@progamerbufovi And the ironic it's that the black shirts are advocating a war between USA and China not knowing that they'll be the collateral damage, how stupid can it be?? 🥱🥱🥱
TRUE! Autonomous cars would have the worst time in china... "development" my ass. The only thing it's doing is giving a headache to all tech companies who use gps in their products
Well, acutally most countries do have the right map. Then why keep it wrong? Just because COMMUNISTE? Nope, and it's a little bit complicated. You see, as this wonderful video says, if someone wants a real map, they have to make it themself, (and they often do). And during the process, lots of amateur spies got caught. (Noticablely Japanese commercial spies got caught a lot) And since those "wrong" maps are designed to protect some important spots, Ex an Uranium mine in the middle of nowhere. It's pretty easy to caught some foreigners with high-end (sometime even militray grade) map making tools and a real classified map. It's not always for militray though, for example a detailed mineral map can give huge advantage in commercial negociation when one side know excatly how many tons of mineral left in the mines, (which is feasible with a precise measurement of local gravity), the traffic around the mines(which means its capability) etc. Just want to explain why those wrong map even exist. (But do China exist in the first place?)
Commercial pilots don't really use "maps" to navigate, certainly not the type of map you would have in your car. Generally, navigation is either conducted using a series of pre-programmed GPS waypoints that the aircraft automatically follows, vectors from air traffic control, radio transmitters called VORs, and in some cases the naked eye or "dead reckoning." (This is only done under visual flight rules, generally in smaller, non-commercial aircraft or on final approach to a runway). Aeronautical charts are used for route planning prior to departure and I'm sure that these are 100% accurate since they do not include things like stores and roads, only airports, dangerous terrain, obstacles, etc. Not to mention aircraft are equipped with several different systems to prevent them from impacting terrain, a building, or another aircraft.
@@ruedelta big data companies (google, microsoft, facebook,....) do a bunch of stuff just because they can, and because it may eventually be useful for something. i wouldn"t be surprised if any of them internally already had the map restauration tools, and eventually started selling a tool for recreating complex geometries from images and a few data points, but for use on a smaller scale. the applications for closer to accurate surroundings in architectural and urban planning concepts are certainly there, enabling workable designs at the competition stage without having to settle on and professionally measuring a specific site beforehand.
Criminal: What are you in for? British student: Making a map of China Criminal: *Scoots far away* Edit: I can now flex on 40% of this comment section for having a low like ratio Thy second edit: What's funny is my second most liked comment had only 30 likes
I don't even remember where I left my comments. How do you know which of your comments is second most liked? Is there a hidden meny in youtube somethere?
@@Max_Jacoby Nah, the second most liked comment was on another video, and sadly there is no secret button that reveals it to you. The only way is just to remember
fun fact: different maps may use different reference systems. as a sailor/yacht owner, you know that you need to check the reference system of your map. usually all newer maps are in WGS84, but especially with older maps, you have to shift your location by a bit. it's indicated by how much and in what direction though, because the manufacturer of the map wants you to know where you are ^^
@@baozhao1870 Operating the transform isn't what I was referring to. It's losses due to poor navigation. Do ships ever bump into each other? Do cars or tourists get lost? Are appointments missed? What is the sum total of all that inefficiency?
Are they relying on taxis for everything? I don't see how even locals could travel without being lost every time with using public transit and walking in the cities.
@@abcabc-uv6ce Maps come in physical paper too. Maps aren't only in smartphones. Besides, cartography is ancient just as much as just simply asking for directions.
The map is wrong, but will still allow you to find your way around in China following paths and roads, because everything is wrong relative to everything else in China. So path finding works fine. Everywhere else the maps are an accurate representation of what’s on the ground. If you have a 1:100,000 scale map and blow it up 100,000 times you will have a drawing you can lay over the real world and lines up perfectly. That will not be the case with this map in China. So you couldn’t use the map for plotting artillery strikes, or walking a bearing.
In China, please use Amap(Gaode Map, AutoNavi) or Baidu Map. They have the same functions as Google Map, with accurate information and traffic conditions. BTW, Google Map is disabled in China.
Reinis Miks ask to a chinese citizen And they will say they are happy to live in china Just like n.k say american life is bad We say life in china is bad But it isnt I mean they have their own apps like baidu (and yes they have tik tok) like us have google
You cannot crack randomness, if the map is distorted at a random degree, a random distance, and some streets and buildings are mirrored or removed, well, you cannot crack it.
@@thomasdahl3083 The distortion can't be truly random, otherwise the process would not be repeatable and it'd be impossible to distort the satellite images in the same way as the coordinates. Sven's suggestion seems viable. I don't think it'd be easy since parts of the images are distorted differently, and you'd obviously run into problems if the Chinese catch wind of your project, but it seems like something that can be done.
Ritwik Reddy I don't know squat about it, but I think it's like when something is encrypted which is basically impossible to crack you cannot intercept it and decipher what's being said. But if they have their own system with their own maps I guess there is a way. But then if it's like a server sided system then only said device can shake hands with said gps/map. But nothing is impossible but using a brute method would probably be impossible but maybe fishing for a clone could work. But then there's probably another zillion unique IDs they use for that so it would be like winning the lotto but needing to guess 100 trillion numbers correctly is a sequence. But the people who make this shit have to write it all down somewhere and design it. You can guarantee more than one super power has an idea on how it works.
@@Arsopu people thought the same about enigma code. but people cracked it. this one may be harder, but we too have much better equipment. we just don't put the effort that we did for cracking the enigma code.
Because of this, all the foreign running/cycling/hiking tracking apps always indicate I'm committing suicide everyday. Either running into river or jumping off the cliff. All the chinese tracking apps, emm, suck.
I lived in Hong Kong and my dad used a gps called "Go Dut" (Not actually how it's spelt, but I can't type Chinese) and had no problems navigating EXCEPT for places like Causeway Bay or Mongkok, where GPS is just too weak.
China simply gets things done. Some of this thing are stupid but if someone with power commands it they move mountains, raise the ground in the sea too make an island or build a wall you can see from space (if you bring a picture). Let's just hope no one commands them to jump from a chair all at once or this whole planet fly straight into the sun :D
While we don’t have laws against making maps for the most part, our GPS system used to intentionally introduce random errors into the data stream of non-military users in order to keep it less accurate than what the military had. For some reason.
@@stewie3128 Actually US once switched off GPS in 1996 during a missile launch in China, that's when China decide to build their own GPS system and their own coordinate system.
@@stewie3128 That's because the US government didn't want other countries using the GPS system for their missile targeting and other military applications. GPS was originally developed for military purposes, thus it represented a very useful tool for other armies. This actually happened in 1999 in a conflict between Pakistan and India. India requested the US to provide truly accurate GPS data for the Kargil area for military purposes, and they were denied. Now other countries can use their own systems for war, therefore making GPS purposely less accurate became pointless.
I think it was the coast guard that was somehow stuck with the lesser civilian GPS, so they funded the development to making it better. What they came up with (dGPS) canceled out the errors introduced by the government.
I used to deliver pizza and just finding poorly labeled house numbers or the correct apartment at night was a chore. I feel for the deliver people off China. How the hell do they find anything
I was going to click like, but I couldn't find the correct location of the like button. Ended up subscribing to some Indian Bollywood channel by mistake.
It's about spies. It's assumed that the locals would know where everything is and outsiders would need a map. An inaccurate map would slow down their progress if they were hostile.
@@orlock20 No it's about accurate targeting of missiles and artillery. I have a feeling the US has produced highly detailed, highly accurate maps of China. Otherwise the CIA isn't doing it's job. It might have been a nightmare 30 years ago, but modern machine learning could easily match up satellite images with annotated maps to produce accurate military maps.
@@ZBritt92 I don't believe the Chinese government fears a military invasion because that would end in a nuclear war. What the Communist Party spends most of its time and money on is to prevent the Chinese people being influenced by outside forces.
It's just modus operandi of oppressive governments. People wrote a lot of possible reasons in the comments elsewhere, but I think persons who made this decision were just "well, we censor books, movies, correspondence, what people say and write, so why should people be allowed to make accurate maps?"
50-500m is a pretty huge difference. You target a spot and know that the place is up to half a kilometer away in some direction. (Though any hostile foreign governments would have their own satellite maps anyway)
@@sebastiaomendonca1477 As the saying goes... "You get the most flak when you're over the target"... But your joke could also be considered a simple statement of fact... Because when it comes to blowing stuff up, generally you want to make the smallest boom you can get away with while still taking out your target... Making precise targeting necessary to avoid collateral damage... But when precise targeting isn't possible, it's just easier and less time consuming to use one big boom to guarantee the target is dealt with rather than having to waste ordinance hitting every spot where you think the target might be. Sure... It means collateral damage, but if an enemy is going to use civilians as human shields... That is just another reason to beat them.
China would never do such a thing, you must be imagining it; please remove these silly ideas from your thoughts and return to your authorized entertainment activities!
Me and my dad experienced this when traveling to China. we tried to get around using Google Maps but we ended up traveling for about two hours in the city with all our luggage. We ended up just looking up into the sky to find the big skyscraper where our hotel room was
Why every map of China is wrong? Because its made in China 😂 Edit: it's been a year and omg it's my first time having 2k likes. (haven't got 1k+ likes before). Thanks Guys!
Made in China means meant to break quickly. We're too reliant on them. They bear no good will towards any country. They despise their own people. And they try to force their will on other countries; only to get mad when no one will listen to a still developing country. And they will always be developing for as long as they remain communist. The reason they have never had peace is due to the fact that being communist cannot afford to not be at war with another country for resources.
As a chinese i want to tell you that chinese map apps have the correct satelite image And Apple Maps have correct image in china because they have done some localization work(They use map data from Gaode instead of their own map)
Not like you have diplomatic immunity when you go there. Technically you could, but in the way that technically the law doesn't apply to people who don't get caught.
@@nils2868 so you can survey the land. There are things you can't scope out with satellite imagery. And because you're in China, you have to follow their laws.
This is an area protection policy. The government does not allow Google Maps to operate in China, so only Chinese mapping companies have access to accurate maps and coordinates
As a GIS analyst, I can't tell you how easy it is to do all this and how easy it would be to draw an accurate map of China. I have no idea how this could be good for China, but... it's China, so I won't question it. EDIT: Fear not, if people actually give you the coordinates taken from google maps, you'll get the same place anyways - unless that person is a moron and gives you the coordinates for the place in the satelite image which in than case, good luck finding the correct spot using the routing system in a GPS.
your homemade cruise missile wont work accurately. All location based service need to get gov approve to work in China. That's a lot benefit for a simple algorithm.
@@funnycnn Lol, ok I guess the state dept, washington post, new york times, the guardian, and virtually all other investigative journalism newspaper are wrong. The chinese communist party firmly respects all political prisoners, homosexuals, falun gong, christians, and uygur muslims.
Is it possible to figure out the distortion by comparing the satellite images? It drives me nut to think that I live in the middle of some vapor wave coordinates
@@TommyTom21 an map app made by chinese companies, like baidu or tencent..... They were mentioned in the video and why would you think a chinese citizens don't even have access to an accurate map? You think hey don't navigate with map? And why would you think that the chinese government didn't even want an chinese citizen to use an accurate map?
Assuming the self-navigating cars used the same scramble algorithm to navigate, there shouldn't be a problem. The small inaccuracy at a hyper-local level of a car on a street would, I'm guessing here, be negligible.
CCP knows that foreign private companies are able to share their data with foreign government, because that is what CCP makes chinese companies do in foreign countries.
That is all well and good, but their enemies can already make their own maps of the things that they care about mainly military, political, and logistical assets (ie stuff they can bomb).
@@Teampegleg - Just put 10 Mt bombs back on MIRVed ICBMs and ICBMs and it won't matter if they miss by 10 or 20 km. These things detonate 5 or 10 km above their targets unless they are ground penetrating bunker busters that come down at 20,000 km/h and drill a hundred or more metres into the ground before detonating.
@@algrayson8965 We don't really have any 10Mt warheads anymore, and even when we did they were air dropped. Most of the ICBM and SLBM are in the 500Kt range, the US hasn't deployed any 10Mt ballistic missile warheads in many years.
I assume it is to do with the same kind of reasoning as was used by the Allies in WW2. The British removed roadsigns to confuse foreign invaders of their exact location.
It only makes sense to screw with terrorists because governments would have accurate GPS maps but it doesn't really make sense, names of places are still the same just slightly in the wrong place and terrorists scope places out while planning so they'd pretty quickly realise the problem with their maps and adjust.. It only makes sense financially
For those wondering, no, the end user does not have problem navigating IF you are using the correct map app. My guess is the algorithm is deterministic and easy to compute one way (from real coordinate to mapped coordinate) but hard to compute the other way (from mapped coordinate to the real one). The map app would translate the received GPS coordinate into the mapped one and display on the app, hence it will still appear correct in the app. How do I know this? I'm a Chinese citizen living aborad. I never had any issue with Chinese map app when I go back for visit in the past 10 years. Just don't use google map. In fact the best practise is to disable the entire google suite while you are there, otherwise it attempts to contact google server in the background which will never make it through, but drains your battery very quickly.
I think it was another "map error." Although the map shows "Florida City", I heard "Florida State." Florida State is located in Tallahassee, so I can see how a college football fan who isn't that sharp on geography might think "Florida State" was the capital of Florida.
So GCJ84 is basically taking the Selective Availability that the old GPS system used to have that intentionally obscured accuracy for civilians untill May 2000s, and then messes it up. Cause the 90s had the best GPS accuracy.
Imagine being that stupid and purposely ignoring the fact that Chinese companies are allowed to make maps as long as they have permission just to tell a stupid lie about China. In addition, a single person wouldn't in any way have the resources to make a map of a country of 9.6 million km^2.
We went to Shanghai last month and my wife was using Google Maps on her iPhone (using a sim card from Hong Kong, wich does not block Google in mainland China) and we took a subway from Pudong airport to People's Square station. Then we started walking on the direction the app told us toward our hotel only to realize, 15 minutes later, that we were very far from the hotel. Luckly I knew about this and I had already downloaded a simple, offline, chinese app with a "correct" map for Shanghai and by finally using it, instead of Google Maps, we were able to actually get to our hotel.
Back in 1980s, someone gave me a weird map of China, showing mostly power lines, train lines, roads, etc. That person told me that maps are illegal in China, which I thought it was bizarre. Later I figured out that the map came from one of our intelligence agencies.
Absolutely fantastic video! I have been now 7 years in China and no day has passed where I didn't wonder why baidu was always showing a correct map while Google did not! Love your vids
@ZionHillCalling They said nuclear weapons. If nukes are being launched then no one cares about someone elses civilian casualties, or public opinion of those casualties.
Like a 2.5 or 5 Mt H-bomb cares about a 500 m miss. Even a measly 20 Kt bomb which missed its target, the city centre, by several km, destroyed most of Nagasaki.
@@algrayson8965 Eh, for hitting specific targets, accuracy matters. For instance, if you want to physically destroy a railyard, 10kt means you need 800yd accuracy. The damned rail lines are so low to the ground, and they don't burn like residential housing. Nuclear targeting is weird, almost as weird as Nuclear Policy. Source:www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic-31/nuclear-warfare-101-wall-of-text-alert-6857/
@@musAKulture you think all those nuke countries are just hoarders? Think again. And when was the last time any of them ever said they would not use nuke in any circumstances?
@@movedaccount9958 Because South Korean law requires online map and route providers to have their servers physically located in South Korea. Google doesn't so they offer a limited version of their services, i.e.no navigation.
Korea has pretty much the same attitude about maps and has for centuries, well before the Korean War. In the mid-19th century there was a man (Kim Jeong Ho/김정호) who did a lot of traveling in Korea and was frustrated by the bad maps available at the time, so he made his own super-accurate map and was executed for it (Oh, no, it showed secrets!). Even today, there is a law in South Korea that all computer manipulation of cartographic data must be done on servers located in the country, which is why Google Maps or any other foreign mapping service can't legally provide turn-by-turn directions between any two points in South Korea. Also why Pokemon Go didn't work in South Korea until 2017, except for a tiny sliver of the northeast near Sokcho which fell outside the black hole the game designers drew around Korea. Ten years ago the ROK government even threatened to block access to all Google websites because Google Maps wouldn't blur out military installations. Google has very little market share here but You Tube's market share is fairly high which is probably why they never followed through on that threat. The difference between Korea and China is that Korean GPS units are awesome. Not only do they not mess with coordinates, if you keep them updated they tell you where all of the speed cameras are, and you get alerts about 6-700m from the camera. They even have speed bumps depicted, which has saved my car's suspension many a time.
GPS: Go right.
Me: but...im on the bridg-
GPS: G O R I G H T
But Google Maps told me to take a right, in the middle of the Mississippi River. So who's really living in 1984?
The car GPS in the middle of the road there’s the road on the right and left but the GPS says go left points right if it says go right it just points left
Lol I’ve had google maps tell me to exit a freeway, go to the light, make a u-turn, get back on the freeway going the opposite direction and within 2 seconds I had arrived at my destination... 😂😂
this is why i use medieval maps
i go right just a little earlier and i land on top of my destination
I see no problem, take R I G H T
Well, it's good to know that every minor business in China is safe from intercontinental missile strikes that use Google Maps for orientation.
Edit: I swear to god, no one on this damn site understands a joke.
Wow! I never thought of that tactic!
@@saiv46 it sure does. It can easily make the difference between a hardened target surviving or not. And that’s very much more the case for more modest bombing.
@@JasperJanssen even so, it is easy to get around the error in this Chinese method to avoid that the coordinates are "right", because it is possible to easily correct using an AI or a program to synchronize the map of roads with the real map.
@@joaopedromoreiracustodio5429 y'all really arguing about using Google maps as a missile gliding system 😂😂😂
@@junct... I don't know if I'm too embarrassed and angry like a child or agree with you, but I believe that would be useful for not only hissing missiles but also some systems that need a an accurate map, for example, (I couldn't imagine anything better) an autonomous drone that has to go from point A to B using only pre-received images
Chinese government: Ahah, we tricked everyone, our paranoia will save US FROM WAR
Western tourist in China: Where the hell is the dumpling place!!!!!
nikita otdel'nov i'm surprised no one has replied yet lmao
@@sankarsah i'm not from east asia sorry, i just like anime
@Ted Bundy us?
@Ted Bundy India?
@Ted Bundy Russia?
Someone arrested for wrong map
Police : where's the jail?
lol
Are they wrong tho
@@homedepotgaming774 but I can easily escape it
@@homedepotgaming774 understandable sir, i'm going to the cafeteria near that highway
That lake
Serial Killer: "What are you in for?
Student: "Cartography"
Serial Killer: "NooooOOOOooooo!!! Guards! GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!! Don't leave me here with this psycho!!!"
Violent2aShadow I laughed hardly 😂
Ah yes another day another mental torture to criminals
a guy that would go to prison for his map sounds more dangerous than most criminals, he is even going to prison for it so who says he won't skin you if he runs out of paper
Give me your cigarettes, or I start sketching, punk!
They got fined. They never got in jail...
I'm from Hong Kong and have been wondering (for years) why the maps at the borders are wonky. Now I have the answer.
Man, just download baidu maps and problem solved ughhhh
Nigo Maramag and what does it has to do with this? When I see the border between HK and China in Baidu maps it’s well shown
@@santiagorappy71 Hey Chinese Bot, Howz Xi Jing Pooh...??😂
@@santiagorappy71 then obviously the Baidu one is wrong :))
@@am-coconut456 then you use Amap, then you use Tencent maps lol we chinese DONT have monopolies on that 😂
Tourist in China:
*confused scream at Google Map*
google maps doesnt even work in china, unless you use vpn
In China, you shouldn't be using Google Map at all.
You will need a VPN anyway..
Video says 'bout CHINESE MAPS.
teacher : you can hear picture
me: i can pictured memes
This is so true !!! I was in Xiamen, China last year for a 19 hour layover, so I went to explore the city. On my google maps I saw a river with a bridge crossing it so I decided to walk 45 min to explore and see it. When I got there, no sign of any water or any bridges, just a regular city. I was so confused 😭
@@Mirror0CJRight. Exactly what Google Maps does in other countries but homemade and with more ads.
@@赤砂-z3u Not really， compare to Google in NZ ，Aussie， baidu in China got much better functionalities.
Use Gaode Map
No one uses Google Maps in China
I am in Xiamen too, but we just use local map app which show the correct result
Nothing says “development of national economy” quite like sending someone 5-10 minutes away from a business’s actual location. What a joke.
This is somewhat misleading in that you won't ever actually face the problems stated in the video. In reality, you use a distorted map with distorted coordinates that sends you to the right place.
@@cong4559 No. It communicates that China is uncooperative and not interested in ease of doing business. After watching this, I don't think I want to go there.
@@runningfromabear8354 Considering the current political attitude from Washington and Trump's banning of Chinese companies etc... I'd say China is not the one that is uncooperative and not interested in ease of doing business. Quite the opposite actually. More people would agree that they didn't want to go the US having seen Trump swing his dick around.
Cong Lu got’em
@@cong4559 The only company that has really been banned is Huawei which has had so much evidence brought against them of spying, stealing designs, and working closely with the Chinese government. Almost everyone agrees with the decision that was made to ban that company. China has been taking advantage of not just the United States but everyone, basically and were just the first ones to take action on it. The banning of this company is completely justified. We are now at a trade war that China knows if they do not get out of they are in big trouble. The United States can hurt the Chinese government way more than they can hurt ours and they know that. Maybe if China would stop stealing IP and trying to spy on us this wouldn't be a problem.
I think it doesn't make any difference for nuclear strike.
林清泉 no its not
@待化的冰 why long live China, you don't have freedom of speech and expression. How I know Chinese citizens should use VPN services to access outside world, total surveillance, and total corruption, you can shoot any high government official for corruption and you will be right. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Washable Bomb u think it’s evil, I don’t. That’s it. No need to get democracy from other countries but internal innovation
@待化的冰 why the fuck are we even taking this conversation seriously,as if the youtube comment woul decide nuclear strike
I hope one day republic of china which is an independent country and legitimate chinese government takes over your sorry mainland. Greetings from taiwan
One thing you missed: Chinese gov made this coordinate system very pricey too, there is a huge amount of licensing fee even for the authorized companies to make the map.
the other joke about this is that some incompetent "GIS demo" program was published with source on Google code and everyone learned the algorithm from it
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PRcoords_Cheatsheet.pdf
(the one I linked to is my cleaned-up code; if you click through the GitHub link in it you will find a link to the googlecode project archive where it got leaked from. disclaimer: that code is ugly af)
Licensing it out especially to foreign companies actually makes the "strengthen economy" line far less retarded
That's because the massive amount of bribes the corrupt Communists receive are never enough to support their drinking and KTV debauchery habits. Not to mention their affairs!
Eugh
waiting for them to stop calling themselves communist
"How did he crash our economy???"
"He mapped a Donut Shop correctly"
"*NOOOOOOO*"
Sounds like a skill issue
Well it should be well known by everyone, that Google & Co. give Data to CIA and Mossad, so I think it's a good decision from China to not give them all that control over their Data.
"It's not no longer in a lake because the map is correct: it is no longer in a lake because the satellite map is also wrong."
Perfect metaphor for the modern world.
Perhaps it's no longer a lake because it was filled with trash and feces.
My mind:
*MODERN PROBLEMS REQUIRE MODERN SOLUTIONS*
*OUTSTANDING MOVE*
*blue spartan meme*
*PERHAPS THE ARCHIVES ARE INCOMPLETE???*
@@eyeballpapercut4400 is blue spartan meme "wait, that's illegal?" one?
@@jayjackson5705 you are childish as fuck
-1*-1=1 except it isn't
They're rly trying their best to kill tourism lol
They are if the media was right about trump in the fullest, then he became 10x worse
So that they can keep the Hong Kong plebs (according to China) away.
@Mitchell Hart It's fine, cuz I guess u cant afford a flight ticket anyway lol
@Mitchell Hart Yes, yes, yes whatever. Just keeping watching ur Fox/CNN and believe in their propaganda lol. Watching ur comment is really entertaining cuz u must have watched a lot of TV propaganda thing to write this long paragraph man. BTW I would admit that the Chinese media did lose to you guys when it comes to brainwashing and propaganda. At least in china we only exaggerate the number of police brutality and school shooting (which it really does), but in western you guys are just making things up lol.
@@binchunsu im not sure if what he said is true or propaganda but if china really isn't that hell hole of a country, can you tell me why tf are there so many chinese immigrating here in the philippines? I mean, god damn, zambales is basically a mini china ffs.
Imagine an entire country’s government being this delusional
Back in the day American maps of the Moscow area were very popular there because they were accurate.
Not delusional, but paranoia. You know, in many Chinese war story, the first thing to do before making war is making map. The CN govt just so paranoia they don't want anybody to have an accurate map of CN, so that no invasion can be effective. But I bet all strong countries like US or Russia have their own military surveillance satelites and can make an accurate map of CN, at least for all important government/military facilities.
@@quocle7304 Yeah. No crackhead worth his crack would use google of all things to plan an invasion
U don't need to imagine😂
@@quocle7304 In all likelihood, anyone with the resources to fight a mainland war with China would have the resources to get obtain accurate maps, ether by clandestinely mapping the region or by just stealing China's.
Person: buys a map
“Made in China”
Underrated
The comment is 6 months old and you are the first one to react
lmao
But only China is made wrong... what's the point of this joke?
@@PianoHypnoshroom products from china are almost always shitty
That’s why I ended up in Zimbabwe instead of Beijing
Well it's not THAT far off
zimbabwe
And you're actually ended up having more freedom than in China.
@@ArthurD true
@@arscenic8625 some countries have even less than that. Don't be a spoiled brat.
No all these maps are right just like how nothing happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989
Don't know what you are talking about. Why are you mentioning Tiananmen Square? Can't think of anything notable happening there in 1989. Can anyone else?
Caleb Robinson like I said nothing happened
Yup. Nothing happened and people who think something happened are delusional
Yeah. Nothing happened in Tiananmen Square. Don't know what you're talking about.
Tiananmen Square? Never heard of such a place and I can’t imagine something bad happening there.
No sir not at all
No wonder why their fishermen sailed all the way to Argentina 😂😂😂
Oh boy i remember that ridiculous news 😂
wait what happened
@@guadaluna6246 A chinese fisherman boat was sunk by the Argentinian navy for illegally fishing in its waters
As an Argentine, I was a little bit concerned about that event escalating
I still can’t imagine how that damn fishing vessel crossed a while Damn ocean, without getting lost or sinking.
It’s just impossible that boat was a regular fishing boat!
I lived in China for a time, and it's really interesting to see how creative my Chinese friends were in getting around arbitrary things like this. My friends kept mental maps, and navigated by landmarks.
Me, I just used the satellite view, which mostly worked.
I was going to say when I went to China a few years ago and used Google Maps (and other similar apps) to navigate around Beijing, Shanghai etc it worked fine. I was able to find everything, down to particular shops. There might have been a shift of a few tens of metres but not enough to make navigation difficult...
LOL, Chinese have their own maps and they are accurate.
Or use the Chinese map apps.
@@anzheng8832 shhh. westerners think that chinese lives in a cave or a hut up the tree. chinese dont have navigations like their modern societies do.
this is how you know people love to lie on the internet
Google doesn't fucking work in China dumbass
In a Chinese prison
person 1: I killed a man and you?
person 2: I made a map
person 1: Grasping at bars screaming "GET ME OUT OF HERE DON'T LEAVE ME LOCKED UP WITH THIS MAD MAN!!!"
Person 3: I wanted Democracy.
Wow, good joke you copied straight from the video.
Person 1: you sick, sick bastard!
haha nice i also heard this joke in the video i just watched
As a HongKonger, I've noticed this a long time ago, the maps and satellite images never match. Quite annoying at times. Always wondered why Google never bothered to fix it.
How are you watching RUclips???
As a mainlander I also was confused until someone told me about that a few years ago. Well, I don't think I would ever drive to Hong Kong so that probably won't be very annoying for me at least.
@@ommahajan1 Okay, first of all Hong Kong is still fairly free, second of all even mainlanders can just use VPN's and use foreign websites that way
@@Apodeipnon Exactly what I was about to reply him. Thanks!
@@Apodeipnon thanks for that even though I knew it.
I wonder what happens to the airplane GPS ?
They might be having correct maps right ( at least airport location)
That's pretty crazy...
Ok, granted, the national security argument might hold *some* water.
But economically the costs of doing things this way definitively outweighs the advantages...
I mean not even the defence thing makes sense ...you think NATO/Russia/Japan/Korea e.t.c nations don't have the ability to get accurate satellite and GPS info? Clearly even Google can get the correct information (how else do they correct it) they just can't use as they'll get locked out the Chinese market.
Luredreier the Chinese aren’t that stupid. They still manage to build infrastructures at crazy speeds.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese are smarter than that. The wrong maps are just there for foreign companies. The right and accurate maps are only available from Chinese map apps I bet.
@@LLLLLLEON216 Even if it's available to Chinese companies only it's *still* a economic cost for *China* that they're doing things this way...
no, actually, millions of chinese use china map services every day, they r accurate.
don't use google map in china, that is all.
North Korea: “we are the most secretive country”
China: “Hold my map”
@Lazy Bundy thaaaats racist
@@gravy2195
@@gravy2195 you sure showed them
I think eriteria is the most secretive, NK comes in at 2
@@drumboarder1 *eritrea
"No, it's just 1984"
*the backdrop is a security camera*
Surprised no one else noticed
Nah, i notjced
Everyone noticed.
yeah we noticed
You can notice the camera but do you get the joke
@@JohnDoe-im2oc Big Brother, I presume?
All American maps include intentional inaccuracies. Not for military reasons, but so the publishers can prove that somebody else just copied their map instead of making their own. As an example, I once found a map that showed a small dead end road in our hay field.
Eric Farmall1206 To be fair, that’s quite a bit less interference than intentionally scrambling the coordinates of the entire map.
Eric - None of the copyright errors affects anyone: nobody has died, no emergency services affected. Who uses paper maps nowadays?
Not handy when the one guy gets the different map for a drug sale
Not true.
@@airgliderz except it is! Some maps have "paper towns" which are traps for map copiers.
Pretty sure the 1:39 stock footage map is an Aeronautical Chart for aviation. The guy still sneaking in planes into his HAI vids.
That's definitely the Foreflight app.
Yes, I saw that too. Skyvector flashbacks.
Glad I'm not the only aviation nerd here.
@@xXBl4ckB3ltXx Yeah, but the difference is that you seem to be a pilot and not just someone that has aviation as a interest/hobby.
Yep, looks like Foreflight, maybe Skyvector.
4:53 In conclusion, there's no way to know where anything in China actually is.
But since you can get the Chinese satellite map that has been distorted by the GCJ system can't you compare that to an accurate satellite map, determine how the distortion has been applied and find the appropriate correction, and then apply that correction to street map?
As a programmer, that was my first thought- it sounds very simple to do, but I imagine it's illegal - And companies aren't well known for wanting to be on the bad side of China, considering the population of China is seen as another source of profit, and the companies don't tend to mind bending the knee occasionally.
How you can "determine how the distortion has been applied"? If you don't have actual location of places, unless you are actually in that place and have way to measure it (without being catch by Chinese police), which is probably difficult
@@MaraMara89 By comparing their GPS apps to satellite photos. You can start the calculation of the distortion based on easier-to-recognize landmarks, such as bridges, tall buildings, and highways. It's a really trivial calculation to get usable results.
It's not only possible, it's already been done.
@@weeveferrelaine6973 No, you can't at least if the random number generator used for scrambling isn't a pseudo-random one. If they used cryptographic RNG then you need to know the seed to get what you want. Well unless you want to brute-force every single pixel.
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traitor
He Just like DeviantArt
There's no such thing as heart when it comes to sponsorship
Sweet betrayal
Imagine driving a Tesla in China
Tesla: Drives into oncoming straight into a school
Thanks China
There are their own map companies in China which Tesla's there use
Amusing, but a huge super-factory was just built in Shanghai so I am quite sure they already managed to find a solution
FYI Tesla is one of the best selling car brand in China, especially model 3 where been produced in Shanghai Tesla super-factory (it was built just before the pandemic mostly to circumvent US-China trade war and retaliating tax on US made vehicles). Tesla is as popular as BMW, Audi, Mercedes, and Porsche in China
Nope. Cameras and sensors > Maps.
Why would you need a Tesla to do this?......
"This video is not about the controversial parts of China"
*Shows Hong Kong*
what did you mean bro
lmao
China is taking over Hong Kong like they did Tibet
@@ronan1686 well technically it’s the UK’s fault
@@hi.2842 Not really, the UK stopped China from taking over Hong Kong for decades
I'm from Hong Kong and thanks for shouting out that Hong Kong (still) has accurate maps!
When u.s. is trying to bomb China, they can do it accurately using GPS, just like Iraq, Libya and Syria. 😁
Hong Kong won't have accurate maps for long :)
@@andrewlim7751 but china isn't syria and libya
@@progamerbufovi
You don't get the idea, for HK to adopt gps system, it's easier for the west to blow up their target and maybe mass killings, if the ccp were to convert the GPS to beidou, there'll be a whowha for undemocratically converting to authoritarian rule, and it's against the wish of HK democratic society.
@@progamerbufovi
And the ironic it's that the black shirts are advocating a war between USA and China not knowing that they'll be the collateral damage, how stupid can it be?? 🥱🥱🥱
what about autonomous driving cars who are told by GPS that they are driving in a lake '-'
just run over a kid... oh wait my gps is saying it was the national bank, cool cool
OK, so go to Hong-Kong.
(arives in some little village)
._.
@@cathacker13 sounds about right to me
Leon Dong well exactly. Now guess wat the Beidou Navigation is for.
TRUE! Autonomous cars would have the worst time in china...
"development" my ass. The only thing it's doing is giving a headache to all tech companies who use gps in their products
I still just don't understand why.
Just
Why
because CHINA
what?
Communists aren't exactly known for their rational decision making abilities.
Well, acutally most countries do have the right map.
Then why keep it wrong? Just because COMMUNISTE?
Nope, and it's a little bit complicated.
You see, as this wonderful video says, if someone wants a real map, they have to make it themself, (and they often do). And during the process, lots of amateur spies got caught. (Noticablely Japanese commercial spies got caught a lot)
And since those "wrong" maps are designed to protect some important spots, Ex an Uranium mine in the middle of nowhere.
It's pretty easy to caught some foreigners with high-end (sometime even militray grade) map making tools and a real classified map.
It's not always for militray though, for example a detailed mineral map can give huge advantage in commercial negociation when one side know excatly how many tons of mineral left in the mines, (which is feasible with a precise measurement of local gravity), the traffic around the mines(which means its capability) etc.
Just want to explain why those wrong map even exist.
(But do China exist in the first place?)
Ones enemies cannot reliably plan to destroy that which they possess incomplete information about. It forces direct observation.
2:08 That map shows North Korea as a part of China.
Is it not?lol
In the map it say “朝鲜”which is means North Korea 🇰🇵
@@nathanielhe2939 But there is no country border between china and north korea on the map, just a province border
North Korea has been a part of China since ancient times!
@@Corey_Brandt both koreas
How about commercial pilots, do they get real maps so they don't hit mountains and all?
Nope. XD
Commercial pilots don't really use "maps" to navigate, certainly not the type of map you would have in your car. Generally, navigation is either conducted using a series of pre-programmed GPS waypoints that the aircraft automatically follows, vectors from air traffic control, radio transmitters called VORs, and in some cases the naked eye or "dead reckoning." (This is only done under visual flight rules, generally in smaller, non-commercial aircraft or on final approach to a runway). Aeronautical charts are used for route planning prior to departure and I'm sure that these are 100% accurate since they do not include things like stores and roads, only airports, dangerous terrain, obstacles, etc. Not to mention aircraft are equipped with several different systems to prevent them from impacting terrain, a building, or another aircraft.
You never heard radar?
If you use Amap or Baidu Maps, the map is shifted properly, so the roads between Shenzhen and Hong Kong line up.
Because they use the shift algorithm for the whole world?
@@postvideo97 They just don't have satellite data at a reasonable resolution that lets you see if the algorithm is used or not, at least for the US.
Baidu is kinda useless for anyone who doesn't understand Chinese though...
@jmarks881 It's annoying to code and no one's had a use case for it.
@@ruedelta big data companies (google, microsoft, facebook,....) do a bunch of stuff just because they can, and because it may eventually be useful for something.
i wouldn"t be surprised if any of them internally already had the map restauration tools, and eventually started selling a tool for recreating complex geometries from images and a few data points, but for use on a smaller scale.
the applications for closer to accurate surroundings in architectural and urban planning concepts are certainly there, enabling workable designs at the competition stage without having to settle on and professionally measuring a specific site beforehand.
I went to China and my hotel on google maps was in the middle of an airfield
Criminal: What are you in for?
British student: Making a map of China
Criminal: *Scoots far away*
Edit: I can now flex on 40% of this comment section for having a low like ratio
Thy second edit: What's funny is my second most liked comment had only 30 likes
Nice and Article 13 friendly meme ma boi
... And creating a nuisance!
No wonder, the criminal wouldn't want his social credit score to get even lower by hanging out with such villainous characters
I don't even remember where I left my comments. How do you know which of your comments is second most liked? Is there a hidden meny in youtube somethere?
@@Max_Jacoby Nah, the second most liked comment was on another video, and sadly there is no secret button that reveals it to you. The only way is just to remember
fun fact: different maps may use different reference systems. as a sailor/yacht owner, you know that you need to check the reference system of your map. usually all newer maps are in WGS84, but especially with older maps, you have to shift your location by a bit. it's indicated by how much and in what direction though, because the manufacturer of the map wants you to know where you are ^^
Is there an estimate for how much this costs their economy?
Alot
LOL
Nothing
Really nothing, anyone equipped with high-level math knowledge can do the same trick.
@@baozhao1870 Operating the transform isn't what I was referring to. It's losses due to poor navigation. Do ships ever bump into each other? Do cars or tourists get lost? Are appointments missed? What is the sum total of all that inefficiency?
2:37 George Orwell approves of the background of this image.
George Orwell approves of the entire chinese country
Judging from the political popularity of "getting tough on crime" in the US I'd say the Chinese surveillance system has American approval.
big brother is watching you, watching over every little move
ah..nice way to annoy the tourists who entirely depend on maps
Are they relying on taxis for everything? I don't see how even locals could travel without being lost every time with using public transit and walking in the cities.
I read in ancient times (pre smartphone) people relied on street sign and asking for directions.
sarvesh lonakadi anyone who have been to China will tell you that this is not a problem at all
@@abcabc-uv6ce Maps come in physical paper too. Maps aren't only in smartphones. Besides, cartography is ancient just as much as just simply asking for directions.
The map is wrong, but will still allow you to find your way around in China following paths and roads, because everything is wrong relative to everything else in China. So path finding works fine.
Everywhere else the maps are an accurate representation of what’s on the ground. If you have a 1:100,000 scale map and blow it up 100,000 times you will have a drawing you can lay over the real world and lines up perfectly. That will not be the case with this map in China.
So you couldn’t use the map for plotting artillery strikes, or walking a bearing.
In China, please use Amap(Gaode Map, AutoNavi) or Baidu Map. They have the same functions as Google Map, with accurate information and traffic conditions. BTW, Google Map is disabled in China.
Is there a way to switch the language?
China, comfortably paranoid.
How aren't citizens protesting about this? They are the main victims here!
Reinis Miks ask to a chinese citizen
And they will say they are happy to live in china
Just like n.k say american life is bad
We say life in china is bad
But it isnt
I mean they have their own apps like baidu (and yes they have tik tok)
like us have google
Bad news Baidu is shutting down it's searching engine service
It's their rulers, elites that kept the whole nation in check.
i wana be a chines
Wouldn't some clever programmers be able to crack the algorithm using correct satellite images and the modified ones and trying to match them?
You cannot crack randomness, if the map is distorted at a random degree, a random distance, and some streets and buildings are mirrored or removed, well, you cannot crack it.
@@thomasdahl3083 The distortion can't be truly random, otherwise the process would not be repeatable and it'd be impossible to distort the satellite images in the same way as the coordinates. Sven's suggestion seems viable. I don't think it'd be easy since parts of the images are distorted differently, and you'd obviously run into problems if the Chinese catch wind of your project, but it seems like something that can be done.
@@thomasdahl3083 isn't that how hacking works? Finding a pattern to a seemingly random observation.
Ritwik Reddy I don't know squat about it, but I think it's like when something is encrypted which is basically impossible to crack you cannot intercept it and decipher what's being said.
But if they have their own system with their own maps I guess there is a way.
But then if it's like a server sided system then only said device can shake hands with said gps/map.
But nothing is impossible but using a brute method would probably be impossible but maybe fishing for a clone could work.
But then there's probably another zillion unique IDs they use for that so it would be like winning the lotto but needing to guess 100 trillion numbers correctly is a sequence.
But the people who make this shit have to write it all down somewhere and design it.
You can guarantee more than one super power has an idea on how it works.
@@Arsopu people thought the same about enigma code. but people cracked it.
this one may be harder, but we too have much better equipment.
we just don't put the effort that we did for cracking the enigma code.
Because of this, all the foreign running/cycling/hiking tracking apps always indicate I'm committing suicide everyday. Either running into river or jumping off the cliff. All the chinese tracking apps, emm, suck.
@@taniacrawford6104 no. Its a bug
@@panderman447 it's not a bug, *it's a feature*
now it's abnormal to not be on suicide watch
Sb
你在说实话吗，app用啥地图？道路来自测绘所以永远是有偏的，但地图要无偏必然是google map。你在境内用app也不能连google map，你描述的现象不能成立。river就算了，去哪儿找cliff信息？
I lived in Hong Kong and my dad used a gps called "Go Dut" (Not actually how it's spelt, but I can't type Chinese) and had no problems navigating EXCEPT for places like Causeway Bay or Mongkok, where GPS is just too weak.
You think Wendover/HAI would go an entire video without including planes?
Look again
The map he shows is actually an aeronautical chart.
Siddharth Pathak planes are cool don’t hate
Man, I can't help but be impressed at the lengths the Chinese government will go to further their agenda.
China simply gets things done. Some of this thing are stupid but if someone with power commands it they move mountains, raise the ground in the sea too make an island or build a wall you can see from space (if you bring a picture). Let's just hope no one commands them to jump from a chair all at once or this whole planet fly straight into the sun :D
While we don’t have laws against making maps for the most part, our GPS system used to intentionally introduce random errors into the data stream of non-military users in order to keep it less accurate than what the military had. For some reason.
@@stewie3128 Actually US once switched off GPS in 1996 during a missile launch in China, that's when China decide to build their own GPS system and their own coordinate system.
@@stewie3128 That's because the US government didn't want other countries using the GPS system for their missile targeting and other military applications. GPS was originally developed for military purposes, thus it represented a very useful tool for other armies. This actually happened in 1999 in a conflict between Pakistan and India. India requested the US to provide truly accurate GPS data for the Kargil area for military purposes, and they were denied. Now other countries can use their own systems for war, therefore making GPS purposely less accurate became pointless.
I think it was the coast guard that was somehow stuck with the lesser civilian GPS, so they funded the development to making it better. What they came up with (dGPS) canceled out the errors introduced by the government.
This is true! My Mother went to china and on maps it said her hotel was in the middle of the freeway
You will have to download the localised map. Google map is a complete messy there.
I used to deliver pizza and just finding poorly labeled house numbers or the correct apartment at night was a chore.
I feel for the deliver people off China. How the hell do they find anything
Sees the title
Me:Now i can point to my geography teacher why i failed
Orderofthephoenixwright A I don’t think you could point where you failed on a map.
I was going to click like, but I couldn't find the correct location of the like button. Ended up subscribing to some Indian Bollywood channel by mistake.
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I still don't understand what's the point, how does this bring "development of national economy and progress of the society"?
China is really bad at making all kinds of excuses.
It's about spies. It's assumed that the locals would know where everything is and outsiders would need a map. An inaccurate map would slow down their progress if they were hostile.
@@orlock20 No it's about accurate targeting of missiles and artillery. I have a feeling the US has produced highly detailed, highly accurate maps of China. Otherwise the CIA isn't doing it's job. It might have been a nightmare 30 years ago, but modern machine learning could easily match up satellite images with annotated maps to produce accurate military maps.
@@ZBritt92 I don't believe the Chinese government fears a military invasion because that would end in a nuclear war. What the Communist Party spends most of its time and money on is to prevent the Chinese people being influenced by outside forces.
It's just modus operandi of oppressive governments. People wrote a lot of possible reasons in the comments elsewhere, but I think persons who made this decision were just "well, we censor books, movies, correspondence, what people say and write, so why should people be allowed to make accurate maps?"
Makes perfect sense..... Because we all know that a thermonuclear ICBM that is off 12 yards is pretty much useless. :-/
50-500m is a pretty huge difference. You target a spot and know that the place is up to half a kilometer away in some direction. (Though any hostile foreign governments would have their own satellite maps anyway)
I would like to pose an improvement. "Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and thermonuclear weapons"
Who cares about engineering some fancy targeting system to destroy one thing when you can just blow up everything and take your target out with it.
Sebastião Mendonça wow piece of shit
@@gggggggggggggggggg161 wow someone got mad over a fucking joke
@@sebastiaomendonca1477 As the saying goes... "You get the most flak when you're over the target"... But your joke could also be considered a simple statement of fact... Because when it comes to blowing stuff up, generally you want to make the smallest boom you can get away with while still taking out your target... Making precise targeting necessary to avoid collateral damage... But when precise targeting isn't possible, it's just easier and less time consuming to use one big boom to guarantee the target is dealt with rather than having to waste ordinance hitting every spot where you think the target might be. Sure... It means collateral damage, but if an enemy is going to use civilians as human shields... That is just another reason to beat them.
When America and China collab 😳😳😳😳😳
Chinese government be like:
Can’t let these haters know my next move
China has been playing a several hundred year old mind games with itself.
China would never do such a thing, you must be imagining it; please remove these silly ideas from your thoughts and return to your authorized entertainment activities!
Who upvotes this shit? Is this a reference or something?
Mick Mickymick wow ok thanks buddy
No offense man, it just doesn't deserve 211 votes @@thatboyneedstherapy7926
"OK, so let's say you're you..."
That's it, I'm outta here...
Fucking asshole, reminding me I'm me.
Google is Trash So if he (Marker Jester) you and you are me. Who am I?
Me and my dad experienced this when traveling to China. we tried to get around using Google Maps but we ended up traveling for about two hours in the city with all our luggage. We ended up just looking up into the sky to find the big skyscraper where our hotel room was
You should just call a taxi, and it will send you to the lobby
A Person: Do you know where you can find a map?
Chinese resident: Yeah, Prison
Why every map of China is wrong?
Because its made in China 😂
Edit: it's been a year and omg it's my first time having 2k likes. (haven't got 1k+ likes before).
Thanks Guys!
So is iPhone and most of the electronic products that u own, why don't u complain about it?
I never had any apple products
HKH Plays [Roblox] made but not assembled got ya there
Yew Ze Han you’re just proving his point as to why china makes shit products😂 they have shitty regulations and youre killing the oceans you dumbasses
Made in China means meant to break quickly. We're too reliant on them. They bear no good will towards any country. They despise their own people. And they try to force their will on other countries; only to get mad when no one will listen to a still developing country. And they will always be developing for as long as they remain communist. The reason they have never had peace is due to the fact that being communist cannot afford to not be at war with another country for resources.
I’m pretty sure the Pentagon has an accurate map somewhere.
The Pentagon's maps of the Soviet Union were for a long time more accurate than the Soviet Union's maps of the Soviet Union. You aren't wrong there.
@@TheMadmanAndre
Source? Or did you live 100 years ago?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) u ever heard of spy-planes/drones?
@@Parooh
Spy-planes :D do you know how the world looked 100 years ago?
First electronic imaging satellite was launched in 1976.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) u said it urself, electronic
As a chinese i want to tell you that chinese map apps have the correct satelite image
And Apple Maps have correct image in china because they have done some localization work(They use map data from Gaode instead of their own map)
This is hilarious. 🤣 Such a weird government terrified of being embarrassed and full of insecurities.
isnt that every government...?
@@joaovmlsilva3509 accurate
A Tsundere Government
And they constantly get embarrassed by their stupid shit.
**Types on Made In China computer**
The map of South Korea also looks strange in google map, you should make a video about it too.
Security purposes
@@ankitchoudhary9858 north korea?
Brian Zheng NO LIFE no
south korea has own map system
@@kacp no I mean if they have weird maps for security reasons, is it because of North Korea
My bad
Couldn't someone who doesn’t live in China and therefore doesn't have to follow Chinese law just process satellite images into an accurate map?
Not like you have diplomatic immunity when you go there. Technically you could, but in the way that technically the law doesn't apply to people who don't get caught.
The Goosh Wdym? Why would I need immunity and why would I need to "go there"?
@@nils2868 so you can survey the land. There are things you can't scope out with satellite imagery. And because you're in China, you have to follow their laws.
@@thegoosh6469 Such as "is that building the dumpling restaurant or a warehouse for the local market?"
@@GabbieTheFox Exactly. Pinpointing buildings in particular is a problem.
This is an area protection policy. The government does not allow Google Maps to operate in China, so only Chinese mapping companies have access to accurate maps and coordinates
Back in the Cold War it was said that the best maps of Moscow where made by the CIA. Messing up maps is not a new thing.
As a GIS analyst, I can't tell you how easy it is to do all this and how easy it would be to draw an accurate map of China.
I have no idea how this could be good for China, but... it's China, so I won't question it.
EDIT: Fear not, if people actually give you the coordinates taken from google maps, you'll get the same place anyways - unless that person is a moron and gives you the coordinates for the place in the satelite image which in than case, good luck finding the correct spot using the routing system in a GPS.
your homemade cruise missile wont work accurately. All location based service need to get gov approve to work in China. That's a lot benefit for a simple algorithm.
@@PLAboy64
Delusional to think the military industrial complex in the west doesn't have accurate intel on China.
@@malding8643 I said home made. Terrorists can make home made cruise missile, it is very easy to make.
@@PLAboy64 So, uhh, that's a big fat nope. GPS guided cruise missiles are very hard and very expensive to make.
@@colinhobbs7265 the cost depend on the payload weight and propulsion method. It is not hard to make, you should check out he long range RC community.
So the FBI can't know my location? Sweet
But the chinese communist party can, and they harvest people's organs. (No lie, look it up)
@@bigredone1030 lol, NASA never landed on the moon (No lie, you can also look it up)
iDeagle so that they can stir fry it? Be realistic and learn some biology.
@@yuchenpei4753 you can tell he is not so educated,biology is too difficult for his IQ level
@@funnycnn Lol, ok I guess the state dept, washington post, new york times, the guardian, and virtually all other investigative journalism newspaper are wrong. The chinese communist party firmly respects all political prisoners, homosexuals, falun gong, christians, and uygur muslims.
Is it possible to figure out the distortion by comparing the satellite images? It drives me nut to think that I live in the middle of some vapor wave coordinates
So basically self driving cars will not work there unless the government allows them to map the country.
Or you can download a chinese map app.......
@@TommyTom21 an map app made by chinese companies, like baidu or tencent..... They were mentioned in the video and why would you think a chinese citizens don't even have access to an accurate map? You think hey don't navigate with map? And why would you think that the chinese government didn't even want an chinese citizen to use an accurate map?
The Chinese government doesn't want anyone using an accurate map because they are an oppressive government paranoid of being overthrown.
Assuming the self-navigating cars used the same scramble algorithm to navigate, there shouldn't be a problem. The small inaccuracy at a hyper-local level of a car on a street would, I'm guessing here, be negligible.
CCP knows that foreign private companies are able to share their data with foreign government, because that is what CCP makes chinese companies do in foreign countries.
That is all well and good, but their enemies can already make their own maps of the things that they care about mainly military, political, and logistical assets (ie stuff they can bomb).
@@Teampegleg - Just put 10 Mt bombs back on MIRVed ICBMs and ICBMs and it won't matter if they miss by 10 or 20 km. These things detonate 5 or 10 km above their targets unless they are ground penetrating bunker busters that come down at 20,000 km/h and drill a hundred or more metres into the ground before detonating.
@@algrayson8965 We don't really have any 10Mt warheads anymore, and even when we did they were air dropped. Most of the ICBM and SLBM are in the 500Kt range, the US hasn't deployed any 10Mt ballistic missile warheads in many years.
I assume it is to do with the same kind of reasoning as was used by the Allies in WW2.
The British removed roadsigns to confuse foreign invaders of their exact location.
@jmarks881 Japan...?
@@hydrus2076 America... Not very likely though
It only makes sense to screw with terrorists because governments would have accurate GPS maps but it doesn't really make sense, names of places are still the same just slightly in the wrong place and terrorists scope places out while planning so they'd pretty quickly realise the problem with their maps and adjust..
It only makes sense financially
For those wondering, no, the end user does not have problem navigating IF you are using the correct map app. My guess is the algorithm is deterministic and easy to compute one way (from real coordinate to mapped coordinate) but hard to compute the other way (from mapped coordinate to the real one). The map app would translate the received GPS coordinate into the mapped one and display on the app, hence it will still appear correct in the app.
How do I know this? I'm a Chinese citizen living aborad. I never had any issue with Chinese map app when I go back for visit in the past 10 years. Just don't use google map. In fact the best practise is to disable the entire google suite while you are there, otherwise it attempts to contact google server in the background which will never make it through, but drains your battery very quickly.
Wait, are you saying the capital of Florida isn’t Florida City?
@Christiano Gaming r/wooosh
actually its orlando disneyland
I think it was another "map error." Although the map shows "Florida City", I heard "Florida State." Florida State is located in Tallahassee, so I can see how a college football fan who isn't that sharp on geography might think "Florida State" was the capital of Florida.
Used to be. Underwater now
So GCJ84 is basically taking the Selective Availability that the old GPS system used to have that intentionally obscured accuracy for civilians untill May 2000s, and then messes it up. Cause the 90s had the best GPS accuracy.
HAI throwing squarespace under the bus! 😂
Will you marry me and move to China together? My future wife, baggie!
SSMART Wut?
imagine having such a secretive government, that you aren't allowed to make maps to know what your country looks like
So why don’t u use the chinese map app? They are all correct and accurate lol.
Imagine being that stupid and purposely ignoring the fact that Chinese companies are allowed to make maps as long as they have permission just to tell a stupid lie about China. In addition, a single person wouldn't in any way have the resources to make a map of a country of 9.6 million km^2.
You didn't get the point. Only chinese companies are allowed to nake accurate maps.
@@Chopper153 i don’t see any issue with that
I’ve always wanted to go to China but dam this is discouraging, I’ll go to japan instead 🤷
Tom Nguyen Japan is a tad better, trust me
Not Random Typek u prob right tbh
When things look up, avoid the big C
Japan is wayyy better than China will ever be
Please, go. Japan is awesome.
We went to Shanghai last month and my wife was using Google Maps on her iPhone (using a sim card from Hong Kong, wich does not block Google in mainland China) and we took a subway from Pudong airport to People's Square station. Then we started walking on the direction the app told us toward our hotel only to realize, 15 minutes later, that we were very far from the hotel. Luckly I knew about this and I had already downloaded a simple, offline, chinese app with a "correct" map for Shanghai and by finally using it, instead of Google Maps, we were able to actually get to our hotel.
Indian soldiers near China borders used Google maps and then a conflict happened.
Which app did you use?
I love how your videos have outrageous titles, but actually have happened and aren’t just clickbait.
Huh, with both the correct and incorrect sattelite images available, it seems quite straightforward to reverse the coordinate distortion, right?
When you’re visiting China just use the maps on Chinese website or apps, most of the time you would be able to search in pinyin or English
China: exists
H as I: FCKING VIDEO TIME BABY
Thank you for making this! I did notice that a few times but didnt bother, I thought my internet is glitching or something.
Yes this video is true, in Harbin, the maps was almost empty but in the place itself, there was many amazing shops
Back in 1980s, someone gave me a weird map of China, showing mostly power lines, train lines, roads, etc. That person told me that maps are illegal in China, which I thought it was bizarre. Later I figured out that the map came from one of our intelligence agencies.
Absolutely fascinating and now I know to avoid China. This information coupled with my terrible geography skills I'd never be seen again.
That, and probably breaking half a dozens laws that no-one would ever think of.
@@torgranael any law that he didn't break they will make up totally new ones just for him
Absolutely fantastic video! I have been now 7 years in China and no day has passed where I didn't wonder why baidu was always showing a correct map while Google did not! Love your vids
2:07 you can see on the chinese map that North Korea is just a region in China
I am a Hongkonger and I tried to enlarge the Hong Kong- China bridge. Honestly,
*IT WAS FLAWED*
We noticed this too when we were in China in 2018 and we discovered it the hard way 😂
The accuracy of those maps is good for nuclear weapons.
@ZionHillCalling They said nuclear weapons. If nukes are being launched then no one cares about someone elses civilian casualties, or public opinion of those casualties.
Can OSM maps overcome if not fix these inaccuracies?
HAI was sponsered by wix instead of squarespace.
*_This enraged his father,who punished him serverely_*
Edit:Wow thanks for all the likes
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Anyone watched oversimplified?He invented this joke type.
@@RandomboiSam
Hi fam
Dude, 57 likes is not even that many. Did you really have to edit the comment to say thank you?
it's a cold war thing. the cold war never ended and everything's intentionally scrambled to give less information on key targets to bomb.
Like a 2.5 or 5 Mt H-bomb cares about a 500 m miss. Even a measly 20 Kt bomb which missed its target, the city centre, by several km, destroyed most of Nagasaki.
@@algrayson8965 Eh, for hitting specific targets, accuracy matters. For instance, if you want to physically destroy a railyard, 10kt means you need 800yd accuracy. The damned rail lines are so low to the ground, and they don't burn like residential housing. Nuclear targeting is weird, almost as weird as Nuclear Policy. Source:www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic-31/nuclear-warfare-101-wall-of-text-alert-6857/
I thought the cold war mentality was about a total war involving most importantly nukes.
@@shenghan9385 try using one in this day and age and see what happens
@@musAKulture you think all those nuke countries are just hoarders? Think again. And when was the last time any of them ever said they would not use nuke in any circumstances?
Please do a video on why the map of south korea (google maps) loads slowly and is on low res
Similar reason as China. They don't want North Korea spying on them
I've always wondered that, since I'm a South Korean
@@GeminiArk Ohhhhh
@@movedaccount9958 Because South Korean law requires online map and route providers to have their servers physically located in South Korea. Google doesn't so they offer a limited version of their services, i.e.no navigation.
Korea has pretty much the same attitude about maps and has for centuries, well before the Korean War. In the mid-19th century there was a man (Kim Jeong Ho/김정호) who did a lot of traveling in Korea and was frustrated by the bad maps available at the time, so he made his own super-accurate map and was executed for it (Oh, no, it showed secrets!). Even today, there is a law in South Korea that all computer manipulation of cartographic data must be done on servers located in the country, which is why Google Maps or any other foreign mapping service can't legally provide turn-by-turn directions between any two points in South Korea. Also why Pokemon Go didn't work in South Korea until 2017, except for a tiny sliver of the northeast near Sokcho which fell outside the black hole the game designers drew around Korea. Ten years ago the ROK government even threatened to block access to all Google websites because Google Maps wouldn't blur out military installations. Google has very little market share here but You Tube's market share is fairly high which is probably why they never followed through on that threat.
The difference between Korea and China is that Korean GPS units are awesome. Not only do they not mess with coordinates, if you keep them updated they tell you where all of the speed cameras are, and you get alerts about 6-700m from the camera. They even have speed bumps depicted, which has saved my car's suspension many a time.
Has the situation changed? I can't find any occurrence of this anymore