Favorite Orchestral Moments for Big Drums (Timpani and Bass Drum) - Part Three

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @matthewbbenton
    @matthewbbenton 6 месяцев назад +47

    There’s a terrifying timpani moment in Strauss’s Elektra. After Elektra is told (erroneously) that Orestes is dead, she tells her sister that they must do the murders themselves (“Nun muss es hier von uns geschehn”). Before that line, the timpani erupt out of nowhere. I love it!

    • @matthewbbenton
      @matthewbbenton 6 месяцев назад +7

      It’s at 57:07 in this recording, if you’re curious:
      ruclips.net/video/4cPJzgiwFMM/видео.htmlsi=WAHEaULNFD-RI0H-

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +5

      @@matthewbbenton I didn’t remember that moment, but I thought about including the opening bars that include both bass drum and timpani.

    • @themajor2072
      @themajor2072 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@Richard.AtkinsonMight I also suggest the Timpani roll on a pedal point F# in the moments following Elektra’s recognition of Orest? I know it’s just a roll, but there’s something about how it changes the harmony around it from total chaos to an ecstatic dominant pedal point that gets me every time.

    • @charmsword
      @charmsword 6 месяцев назад

      And do not forget the final nerve-wrenching passage of Salomé, when Herod screams to his guard to kill "the monster", and there's a quick and horrible scene with brass chords and timpani strikes. First time I heard it, felt like my own body was crashed by the utter noise and dissonance.
      Loved it.

  • @planetsoccer99
    @planetsoccer99 6 месяцев назад +17

    OH THAT CLIFFHANGER AT THE END YOU DID US DIRTY

  • @peewee678
    @peewee678 6 месяцев назад +20

    Loved the change of timbre and tone in: "or more Patreon supporters..." 🤣

  • @ferenc_l
    @ferenc_l 6 месяцев назад +47

    That Mahler excerpt made me really fancy some more content on his symphonies from you. Perhaps a full video on a single symphony? Either way, I'll watch anything you put out. Cheers!

    • @dedikandrej
      @dedikandrej 6 месяцев назад +12

      This guy can tell which symphony is being played just by listening to 0.3s excerpt of music, i can bet Richard has at least 30 pages of notes ready for each mahler symphony - Im looking forward to those videos in the future!

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +14

      @@dedikandrej At least 30 pages of mental notes for each symphony!

  • @TenorCantusFirmus
    @TenorCantusFirmus 6 месяцев назад +11

    "Opera is when a character is stabbed and instead of immediately dying, sings for minutes at one end."
    Fafner: "Ja, ich kann konfirm..."
    I actually love this series, since while percussions are often overlooked the care and craft of a composer also can be seen by how s/he actually uses them. A very good compendium for students in Composition.
    Edit: Yes, do the all-Mahler video!

  • @Baton793
    @Baton793 6 месяцев назад +4

    "Pre-fight trash talk" are words I never knew I needed to hear from a serious musicologist, but here we are :p

  • @melvinblandin8704
    @melvinblandin8704 6 месяцев назад +13

    Please we want a video for Mahler... I'm just discovering his music and I listen to the 6th last night, and I was struck by some timpani moments that are completly epic.

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +15

      I've been teasing in the comments a ridiculously long video about the finale of his 6th for many years now. Maybe it's finally time?

    • @0reason2exist
      @0reason2exist 6 месяцев назад +2

      Ah I too desperately need your 6th 4 mov. analysis!

  • @mirrormoonknight856
    @mirrormoonknight856 6 месяцев назад +14

    Anytime soon a video on Bruckner´s 7th, second movement? That part, after the colossal climax, where the flute answers alone is extremely touching.

  • @PristineCXV
    @PristineCXV 6 месяцев назад +6

    ACH!! I can't believe he stopped the video right before that chord!!!!!!

  • @weepingscorpion8739
    @weepingscorpion8739 6 месяцев назад +6

    The last Bruckner example made me think of the very end of Camille Saint-Saëns's 2nd movement of his 3rd symphony, where a timpani plays 3 tones C E G to hammer home the final C major chord.

  • @TheEternaut
    @TheEternaut 6 месяцев назад +13

    This channel is a Paradise for classical music lovers. Greetings and congratulations from Argentina!

  • @DieserKerl
    @DieserKerl 6 месяцев назад +3

    It might just be that I've been listening to it more recently, but when it came to timpani and Mahler, the first that came to mind for me was the finale of the 7th symphony.
    This has convinced me I will definitely have to look more into Bruckner too.

  • @jonnybirdy0411
    @jonnybirdy0411 6 месяцев назад +6

    Wow, you do such a good job at braking down Wagner, I could watch you go through the entire Ring! More pleeeease!!

  • @dracho8741
    @dracho8741 6 месяцев назад +7

    Video has to be longer👀 I love this series

  • @compizard3629
    @compizard3629 6 месяцев назад +2

    Great video per usual! Can’t believe you didn’t play the rest of Mahler at the very end of the video!

  • @grannybrer
    @grannybrer 6 месяцев назад +1

    I thought this was one of your most fun videos. I can't believe how much work you put into these. Not just the music, but the graphics and the cartoon clips, etc. And THE MUSIC knowledge! Amazing!

  • @derekdavid1
    @derekdavid1 6 месяцев назад +1

    YES!!!!!!!!! Now we can hang out again! Just started listening. Bravo again!

  • @TaTopePia
    @TaTopePia 6 месяцев назад +2

    Need your favorite trombone moments and your vocal impression of them yesterday.
    Awesome stuff yet again. Your channel is nothing but net.

  • @MarcosAntonio-hp5tg
    @MarcosAntonio-hp5tg 6 месяцев назад +3

    Let’s go! Nice to have you back, man, your Bruckner analyses are longed for and always welcome. Thanks for the hard work, Richard!

  • @Robotron-wd9em
    @Robotron-wd9em 6 месяцев назад +3

    Giuseppe verdi's dies irae also makes great use of the bass drum.

  • @BsktImp
    @BsktImp 6 месяцев назад +2

    Have loved Mahler 4 since early teens - had never heard anything like it and was transfixed by all its movements. And yes the ending of slow movement is sublime. Good choice 👍. The coda of Brahms 1 mvt 4, I quite like the timpani in that too.

  • @josephwragg6723
    @josephwragg6723 6 месяцев назад +3

    Yes! More Mahler please!

  • @zogzog1063
    @zogzog1063 6 месяцев назад +5

    The enfant terrible is surely the Concerto for Two Timpani and Orchestra by Philip Glass.

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +4

      I hope this doesn't disappoint you, but I will NOT be including that in part 4.

  • @kristian6566
    @kristian6566 6 месяцев назад +2

    Yeah new badass timpani video I almost leaped for joy 🤩

  • @ym_2531
    @ym_2531 5 месяцев назад +1

    please the Mahler video; and love how you represent the leitmotifs alongside the score with the pictures

  • @xkay-six1845
    @xkay-six1845 6 месяцев назад +3

    Y’all wait till next episode when he starts pulling out Shosty and Stravinsky

  • @dosterix6034
    @dosterix6034 6 месяцев назад +3

    Noo the last few chords of the Mahler are missing, they are some of my favourite moments in this Symphony

  • @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC
    @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC 6 месяцев назад +1

    We need more pre or post fight trashtalks!

  • @nnnb896
    @nnnb896 6 месяцев назад +2

    Such a great series!❤

  • @martinborup1157
    @martinborup1157 6 месяцев назад +1

    Such a lovely row of video essays!
    Though, I can't believe you haven't included Carl Nielsens 4th symphony, at least with the timpani-duet

  • @Cesar_SM
    @Cesar_SM 6 месяцев назад +2

    Please, do make a video on Strauss's Don Quixote. That would be quite interesting to watch.

    • @Dan474834
      @Dan474834 6 месяцев назад +2

      Missed the great death scene.

  • @iainholding3260
    @iainholding3260 Месяц назад

    This was spectacular, but the narration was like listening to someone explaining algebra.

  • @emileserper5740
    @emileserper5740 6 месяцев назад +2

    Good stuff. I hope at some point we see the timpani solo at the end of Shostakovich 8th, movement 3

  • @o.t.tjabben7543
    @o.t.tjabben7543 6 месяцев назад +2

    One moment of timpani usage I like is in Regers Chant of the Transfigured op. 71. Unfortunately it's super unknown. In the only recording there is its at ~11:50 where after the huge climax the timpani plays a triolic off-beat rhythm under the choir. I like to think that this is a naturalistic depiction of the heartbeat after some ... very human climax. 👀
    In every case it fits the heartbeat of the audience experiencing this work.

  • @michelangelociarlo4281
    @michelangelociarlo4281 6 месяцев назад +1

    Speaking about Strauss and timpani the Burlesque for piano and orchestra is quite interesting.

  • @TGMGame
    @TGMGame 3 месяца назад

    hi richard! you probably dont remember me but ive been watching your channel for a couple years but ive been gone. i had moved on from common era music and went to rock but now im back! i missed your channel tbh 🥲

  • @palmermonsen9098
    @palmermonsen9098 6 месяцев назад +3

    More Mahler please!

  • @HaavardFonnelandPettersen
    @HaavardFonnelandPettersen 6 месяцев назад +4

    The Wagner one sounds like the riff in Leader of the Pack

  • @simonsmith8149
    @simonsmith8149 Месяц назад

    Excellent video series. My favourite 'big drum' moments would have to be :
    1. Verdi's Requiem's Dies Irae - possibly the second-best-known drums after Also Sprach;
    2. Tanz from Carmina Burana - who could ever imagine a flute / timpani duet ?
    3. Uranus, the Magician from Holst's Planets - the timpanists have to be rock stars here; and
    4. Bacchanale from Saint-Saens' Samson & Delilah, near the end when the timps and basses introduce the final section.

  • @kallehed6330
    @kallehed6330 6 месяцев назад +1

    truly drumming

  • @zhihuangxu6551
    @zhihuangxu6551 6 месяцев назад +1

    It seems that many themes in this video are close relatives of the main theme of Symphonie Fantastique :)

  • @196Stefan2
    @196Stefan2 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @rubensgensane2677
    @rubensgensane2677 6 месяцев назад +1

    Take a look at the Shostakovich's symphonies, if you did not. There is so many epic moments like that.

  • @the_eternal_student
    @the_eternal_student 6 месяцев назад +1

    Some nice pictures.
    The foot pedal was a wonderful invention.
    Although I am only a want-to-be percussionist, I think nowadays you have to mention Elliot Carter and metric modulation when you talk about timpani.
    Timpani is often drowned out or is not loud enough in recordings. I would be nice if you could digitize a live performance to pre-set the sound levels of each instrument.
    You provide nice imagery in your explanations sometimes: the Four Horsemen, swarming locusts, especially for someone with a short attention span. You also provide alot of unity between your videos.

  • @jerryli9002
    @jerryli9002 6 месяцев назад +1

    speaking of berlioz my favorite timpani moment in symphonie fantanstique is at the end of the 4th movement. the youth orchestra i was in played it some time ago and the last big G major chord after the guillotine chop contained a Bb from the timpani which i always thought was a cool attention to detail about how everyone is celebrating but our "hero" is dead but it turned out our timpanist was just bad and hadnt tuned the Bb up to a B😂

  • @196Stefan2
    @196Stefan2 6 месяцев назад +5

    May I suggest an "analysis" of Leos Janacek "Sinfonietta"?

  • @chessematics
    @chessematics 5 месяцев назад +1

    Exactly how many of you have realised before that the 3rd movement of Beethoven's last quartet and the Last movement of Mahler's 3rd symphony open with essentially the same motif ?

  • @mahlerbartok
    @mahlerbartok 6 месяцев назад +6

    Noooo you cut off the Mahler right before that beautiful key change😭

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +8

      This is so you’d go back and watch my old video again!

  • @GustavoGarcia-gz4su
    @GustavoGarcia-gz4su 6 месяцев назад +2

    Please a Mahler single video.

  • @giorgio9971
    @giorgio9971 14 часов назад

    I guess a most valued absent from you analyses is indeed Scriabin's Ecstasy

  • @conforzo
    @conforzo 6 месяцев назад +3

    "SAAAAANFT SCHLOOOOOSS SHLAAAAAF DEIN AUUUG"

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +2

      It's a tongue twister!

    • @conforzo
      @conforzo 6 месяцев назад

      @@Richard.Atkinson It's hard not to shout whenever I enter a conversation... Cause, you know, they wouldn't understand.

  • @charmsword
    @charmsword 6 месяцев назад +1

    I would continue Wagner's brass/drum line with Walter Schumann's Dragnet theme:D
    Seems plausible: leitmotifs of Giants, then the Dragon and later, Joe Friday😅
    Seriously though, Wagner's experiments with low and pompous music for bad guys may be the roots of cinematic gumshoes and other tough reluctant heroes.

  • @emilianodorantes2434
    @emilianodorantes2434 6 месяцев назад +1

    Queremos más videos!!!

  • @dudel39
    @dudel39 6 месяцев назад +9

    The section at 14:32 is completely botched by the conductor (or i guess my taste is just very different). When played much more slowly this sounds SO MUCH better, more like a giant march. when played this fast it completely loses that heavy marching quality.

    • @rphxx6906
      @rphxx6906 6 месяцев назад +1

      I agree. Thielemann does this really well in my opinion.

  • @paulalcazar
    @paulalcazar 6 месяцев назад +1

    I also couldn't help but wonder why Bruckner didn't replay that timpani moment in his 8th. Now I know...

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад

      Meaning you don't think it works?

    • @paulalcazar
      @paulalcazar 6 месяцев назад

      @@Richard.Atkinson To my ear it lessens the impact and forcefulness of the next phrase, not substantially but it is definitely noticeable!

  • @aficionao1234
    @aficionao1234 6 месяцев назад +1

    I want that mahler tinpani moments video 😢

  • @johnphillips5993
    @johnphillips5993 6 месяцев назад +1

    Ya know one composer I never see you discuss on here is Schumann. He’s my absolute favorite composer and I’m wondering if you could make a video on something of his. Like your favorite Clara theme moments or something?

  • @keys_cr3323
    @keys_cr3323 6 месяцев назад +2

    Yesssss

  • @ajames283
    @ajames283 6 месяцев назад +4

    10:50 sounds like Batman

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +4

      Modern film composers owe a lot to the composers in this video.

  • @FlyingPotato-de8yz
    @FlyingPotato-de8yz 2 месяца назад

    Would you consider doing an analysis on the final fugal movements of Beethoven’s Hammerklavier sonata or Op. 110? I think they are some of the most beautiful fugues ever written and I would love to see an analysis of yours on either of the movements.

  • @planetsoccer99
    @planetsoccer99 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thoughts on the tempo in the Bruckner finale? I like it a bit slower as in Celibidache's recordings... it always made me think of the Avengers or superheroes, not the four horsemen. But I can see that also!

  • @CharlesK-q9d
    @CharlesK-q9d 6 месяцев назад +4

    7 measures ago!

  • @vrixphillips
    @vrixphillips 6 месяцев назад +1

    looking forward to when you do a whole vid on timpani in stravinsky WITHOUT mentioning the Rite of Spring lol

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +1

      Stravinsky has lots of great timpani and bass drum moments that are not in the Rite of Spring, but they might not make it into the video.

    • @vrixphillips
      @vrixphillips 6 месяцев назад

      @@Richard.Atkinson you should do an all-atonal/serialist extravaganza for timpani

  • @OnlyMozart1
    @OnlyMozart1 6 месяцев назад +1

    In Das Rheingold Alberich transforms into a snake, not a dragon.

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +3

      True! Though in mythology, “serpent” and “dragon” are often used interchangeably, and Wagner certainly used the same leitmotif for both.

    • @MrBulky992
      @MrBulky992 6 месяцев назад +3

      It's called a "Wurm" in German which translates as worm or, archaically, snake or dragon. That is the word Wagner uses for the creatures in both Das Rheingold and Siegfried (though he mostly calls it "Schlange" - snake - in Rheingold). I did not spot the word "Drache" (dragon) in Wagner's text.
      In NE England, we have a traditional comic song called "The Lambton Worm" based on a local legend from County Durham which tells how bold Sir John (Lambton) slew the worm. Clearly this wasn't an ordinary earthworm or snake: it was something much larger - a huge serpent or, as with the case of St George, whose myth it echoes, a dragon.
      Chinese dragons at festivals often look like huge serpents rather than a creature with wings and four legs.
      In Norse mythology, Midgard (the earth) was surrounded by a huge serpent, fire-breathing in some accounts.
      The mighty sea serpent Leviathan of the Old Testament of the bible was also fire-breathing.

    • @BB-xm8jc
      @BB-xm8jc 6 месяцев назад +2

      Dragons are cooler though

  • @shawnwilliamson9267
    @shawnwilliamson9267 6 месяцев назад +2

    21:15 theme in the strings reminds me of the opening from Brahms’ first piano concerto in d minor, I have to wonder if Strauss didn’t inspire his theme from it🤔

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +2

      Wow, I never noticed that before! Probably because my brain identifies that Strauss moment as a rhythmic distortion of the original theme, and the original theme doesn't sound as close to the Brahms theme?

    • @shawnwilliamson9267
      @shawnwilliamson9267 6 месяцев назад

      @@Richard.Atkinson i love these ambiguities! Neither didn’t i think the original strauss theme sounded like brahms but especially seing it on score now rang a bell for me! How fascinating, i can’t unhear it from now on😅

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@shawnwilliamson9267 The incomplete one at 21:41 (bottom right corner) sounds even more like it. It's difficult to hear in this recording.

  • @Angel33Demon666
    @Angel33Demon666 Месяц назад

    Still waiting on that Beethoven Missa Solemnis video~

  • @flowresonance1248
    @flowresonance1248 5 месяцев назад +1

    Since I've only listened to Celibidaches Bruckner 8, every other recording just seems way too fast. Especially in those moments you pointed out.

  • @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC
    @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC 6 месяцев назад +1

    I want the Don Quixote analysis (iF yOu HaD mOrE pAtReOn SuPpOrTeRs)

  • @blehblahov7398
    @blehblahov7398 3 месяца назад

    Please do bach's little fugue!!!

  • @kneza96BG
    @kneza96BG 6 месяцев назад +1

    part 4 rite of spring?

  • @andylo8149
    @andylo8149 Месяц назад

    Down vote for cutting early arhhhhh

  • @alexanderlicudine2431
    @alexanderlicudine2431 3 месяца назад

    Could you please do a video on Beethoven's incredible Diabelli Variations?

  • @willcwhite
    @willcwhite 6 месяцев назад +1

    I greatly enjoy your work, but I always find myself wondering: you do realize that there has been music written by non-German composers... right?

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  6 месяцев назад

      Stay tuned for part 4 of this series - so far in my script, zero German composers! Also, only 2 of the 4 composers in this video were German.

  • @TFreckle
    @TFreckle 6 месяцев назад +2

    Not including "Symphonic Metamorphosis" is timpaniphobic!!

  • @puccininesko
    @puccininesko 6 месяцев назад +1

    Just listen to the end of Mahlers 3rd Symphony conducted by Salonen who let play the final timpani bars very hard and at the very end he added the bass drum to overwhelming effect. ruclips.net/video/M622tyRUYKg/видео.htmlsi=QklDV8DItdyOT8ko

  • @harpseal1257
    @harpseal1257 6 месяцев назад +3

    7 minutes ago!

  • @wilh3lmmusic
    @wilh3lmmusic 6 месяцев назад +3

    7 seconds ago