Tandem Vs 1 | Are 2 Riders On A Tandem Faster Than 1 Roadie?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Tandem Bicycles are fantastic inventions. They're great tools for allowing cyclists of differing abilities to ride together, they can be more sociable than riding a regular road bike, and they allow visually impaired and para riders to cycle outside safely. In this video, GCN+'s Johnathan Schubert and Ollie 'Dropped' Bridgewood take to the tandem and challenge Conor to a race. Who will win? You'll have to watch to find out!
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Who do you think will win the race? The Tandem or the Roadie?
Ollie. He devised a way to win a race for himself.
tandem... no question
The average power on the Tandem whould have been interesting.
On a straight course the tandem will win. It would take a smoother paceline than we've seen to have any chance with 2X.
Time trial vs tandem
waiting patiently for the Si on a TT, Connor and Alex in a road train, Mannon in a recumbent, Jeremy on a fixie, Johnathan and Ollie on a tandem and Hank on a tricycle, race... With Dan on a e-unicycle.
No, no, there would be nothing left for GCN that could be awesomer than that race. They'd have to shut up shop afterwards.
I think you forgot Hank's dad on an unrestricted e-bike!
Don't forget Freddie and Hank's dad.
YES
That sounds like the greatest race ever.
Now GCN needs to start looking for a 4-person tandem
They make an 8 rider bike. It’s out there when you look for multiple rider bikes.
🤔 Good idea...
Back when GCN had only 3 presenters we were promised a 3 person tandem hour record attempt.
Or a tandem recumbent
@@Kimberly_Sparkles surely this could be a far more entertaining TTT at the TdF???????
My wife and I ride a tandem. I'm a strong rider and I tend to ride fast. When we're on our individual road bikes, even though she's a strong rider, she can't keep up with me so I have to either ride at her pace or repeatedly wait for her to catch up. The tandem solves this problem. If you enjoy riding with the one you love, a tandem is a great way to do it.
@@ThroughGrace88 maybe loose weight. The bikes don't deserve to be put through such horrendous conditions
What's y'all top speed on the tandem?
@@shinobusensui9395 It’s hard to generalize. On the flat with no wind our speed might be the average of when we are apart. Climbing, we’re slower. Downhill we’ve gone well over 50.
I once road with a blind stoker who was very strong and we were very fast. It was definitely fun. But really, tandeming isn’t about speed. It’s about togetherness.
"Finally I've won a race!" Technically Oli came across the line second! 🤣🤣
Hahahaha
Tandem time : 9:36
Video length : 9:36
I see what you did there, GCN
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I really like Ollie, he has the perfect blend of meticulous/serious/jokester/geek and the ability to not take himself too seriously that keeps him feeling real and relatable.
finally found a configuration in which ollie could not get dropped
Can, but involves wrecking the bike in most scenarios.
@@ytwos1 valid point
Your bike is too small for you
@@Systematicsphere they told me size doesn t matters
I clicked on this video faster than ollie got dropped.
The bike broke in half?!?
that must have been really, really, REALLY fast, then! ;-)
This takes a bit effort.
Should we really put Ollie and fast in the same sentence? 🤔
🤣🤣
Ollie, "It does not feel like I am riding into a headwind" and then the curry that John ate kicks in
This video should inspire a new GCN T-shirt.
"My tandem has Dura-Ace."
Ours has di2
A new bike discipline! The Tandem Time Trial!
@@japmkam you guys rule! We are still shifting with 105 and bar ends!!
I've done a 150km race with tandems in it. We were in the front group of about 30, but I along with the guys on the tandem got dropped on the 2nd to last pinch/power climb. Luckily I jumped on the back and they towed me the last 10 or so km's to the next steep power climb within reach of the leading bunch. I said thanks a lot fellas and easily left them behind up the short steep section where their weight countered against them. After it flattened out with about 1.5km to go I heard this whoosh whoosh whoosh behind me(these were big powerful guys at max wattage), and they came past me like a train. I tried to jump on the back but they were way too quick - more like a car going past- and left me for dead!
As a tandem guy, this is too common. Yeah on the flats its great to slip behind us. However climbing is just a pain. Just make sure to leave a lane for the tandem to pass on downhill. If you wish to be nice, toss the tandem team a beer after the race, we do appreciate it. :)
@@ResilientTim Yup! We ride tandems too! #tandemadventurers
Ha! That was a cracking Jackson Five joke, nice one =)
Bob is my favorite Jackson.
No wait. This one's better. Bob Jackson was their uncle.
Connor sounded super deadpan ; “you just can’t get dropped on this one Ollie”
when u feel alone and useless remember the tandem front
derailleur
haha, maybe it helps keep the chain on?
@@Daniel-ng8fi Yes probably just serving as a chain catcher. I don't see a cable attached to it.
"3, 2, 1, shift!"
This year’s presenter challenge needs to be the whole team (including Dan) on tandems…with randomly assigned partners. And one team has to use the side-by-side we saw in hack/bodge.
Build a 5 man bike and make them roadtrip all together
John is great in front of the camera. I hope he comes back for more videos here on the main GCN!
Great idea from the slow ride pod: It's time to launch a regular segment where a pro is captain and Ollie is stoker and Ollie interviews the pro while the pro takes him for a scary fast ride.
What a fantastic presenter Ollie is! Conor is great to! Love that video!
As a stoker, I love this so much. MORE 👏 TANDEM 👏 CONTENT 👏 PLEASE!
That was easy, I ride with a tandem team at times as a friend is blind and that's the only way he can go out obviously. If I drop out of the draft I can't keep up at all, I'll be doing over 300w and they will be doing maybe 200w each. Sure is fun when you do get in that draft though
That's so cool that you can ride a tandem while blind
@@brreeaad you can ride a tandem without any arms or legs. just need a ratchet strap
09:00 "I did over 400 watts there...-Ollies winning laughter hehe
My favourite tandem is "Janus" (back to back) recumbent. It has really good aero characteristics but the stoker faces backwards.
Nice tandem! I've build my own tandem based on 3 old scrap citybikes and a scrap mountainbike that I litteraly pulled out of a bin. I went on biking holliday with my girlfriend who had a lot less pace than me. I was able to build it with approx 150 euros and we did almost 1600km near the rivers Rhine and Moselle with all our camping gear on the tandem in 10 days.
Yes to the rematch. More of that Bob Jackson tandem please. What a machine. Piloting a tandem well requires particular technique, skill and concentration, not to mention good communication with the stoker. Try one on open roads. Worthy of its own GCN Tech video.
More of the tandem to come!
Disqualified for the inward brake lever positioning. Naughty.
What about the no bar tape, I hope there is bar end plugs put in, that is deadly in a crash otherwise.
Are inward brake levers banned. Please tell me
Tandems are super fun, take my son to school on one. Would love to see more professional tandem racing, sure there is the road race in the Paralympic Games but I would like to see a Paris Nice stage race with Tandems. Crosswinds, sprints, climbs, the whole lot.
Team time trial in a stage race. Time is taken from the third tandem to cross the line.
Is it harder to balance on a tandem?
@@derekwilliams6188 I ride a tandem with my wife. Although we can't balance while we wait at a traffic light, we can creep along at one or two mph with no problem.
@@MrTeff999 is it faster than traditional bike?
@@derekwilliams6188 If two people of the same ability were riding, a tandem would be faster than either one of them alone -- except when climbing where aerodynamics is less of a factor. On the other hand, if you have two people of different abilities, the stronger rider will be slower and the weaker rider will be faster than if they were on their own bikes.
Why ride a tandem if it's not faster? It's all about togetherness.
A word about weight: A good quality touring tandem will weigh less than 40 pounds. A high quality racing tandem can weigh as little as 24 pounds. Divide those number by two.
"Need to nail this corner now"
Misses the apex.....
Interesting video even if I knew the answer before I saw the video.
A bike for 2 persons get 2 persons power but not the air resistance of 2 riders on each bike. Therefore 2 riders of similar performance rides faster on a tandem than they do alone on each bike.
But if you put a pro cyclist together with a bad cyclist it may go slower than the pro cyclist alone on a normal bike but faster than the bad cyclist on a normal bike.
2 pro riders together produce more than 1 hp continiously. Then 4 pro riders will produce more than 2 hp. Imagine a 4-tandem, that would be cool to see!
Great video. Can we just take a moment to say what a work of art Bob Jackson bikes are. They are some of the nicest steel frames out there.
I would also be interested to see how a tandem fairs over a long ride in the real world when compared to a small group on road bikes.
It all depends on the terrain. If flat, the tandem will lead the train the entire ride. If hilly, the tandem will almost certainly suffer badly.
That said, the same road ride on a tandem is more taxing. It's explained by the additional mass and inertial. Every increase in output by one rider is met with far more resistance. This tends to wear the riders out faster.
@@dudeonbike800 Re: "more taxing". My wife and I ride a tandem. The biggest determinant is the skill levels and teamwork of the captain and stoker. In our case, yes, I work harder on the tandem than I do I my road bike. I'm a strong rider and I tend to ride fast. When we're on our individual road bikes, she can't keep up with me so I have to either ride at her pace or repeatedly wait for her to catch up. If you enjoy riding with the one you love, a tandem is a great way to do it.
@@MrTeff999 Agree. I'm lucky to have a stoker who's half my weight, so she's easy to move around, track stand, and climb the gnar. Plus, she trusts me (probably not a good idea!). This is a plus as we've road and mountain tandemed for 28 years without a crash (knock on wood/head). Our crowning achievement was getting up and around the Whiskeydrunk Cycles Whiskeydrome. That was a blast and the year my stoker turned 50. Oh yeah!
My wife and I have tried many sports together, but the one that has been most successful is riding a tandem bike, because we can each ride at our own effort level. All we have to agree on is cadence, which is just fine.
Tandems are slower than singles on climbs, but boy do they fly downhill!
Love it! Come on, admit it, the dropped jokes are passé, Ollie even with a hangover is a weapon!
next: tandem vs tt vs recumbent vs Hank'sdad on tank.
Bring on Hank's dad on ebike aka Tandem-ninator
I ride a recumbent tandem with the pedals 90 degrees out of phase . Very easy style and the more even torque I find better for hill climbing.
Goes to show, disc brakes make you faster 😂
Durianrider has joined the chat.
it simple... Power and aero drag. The tandem will win that one every time with comparable riders (output watts). The most favorable drag occurs at about 4:1 to 5:1 ratio (length to width/height). The single is about the 2:1 ratio and tandem at about 5:1. The double power just makes it more favor of the tandem. The rolling resistance is the noise level here.
I’ve never raced on a tandem, but I used to race on the track when tandem sprints were still a world championship event. At the track I raced at they would occasionally hold tandem sprint competitions, so racers could attempt to qualify for the world championships. Those guys would fly way faster than any individual sprinter I saw there and I saw the fastest in the world of that era race at that track.
In fact, the most spectacular crash I’ve ever seen was when a tandem frame failed in the middle of a race at top speed. Both riders slammed into the track at full speed. Sparks trailed them as their limp bodies slid oddly in unison across concrete the track. They were easily going between 45 and 50 mph, and they both left in an ambulance. It was shocking to watch. I don’t think one of them ever raced again.
Anyway, interesting video. Tandems (a.k.a. divorce machines) are interesting. I think the time it takes for teams to figure them out is underestimated. It takes some time for teams to work out a cadence and riding style that both are comfortable with. As I understand it, some people are so different with regard to their physical build, their cadence and their riding style, that they never get to the point where they fully take advantage of a tandem’s capabilities. Some people will never relax and let someone else control the bicycle. Tandems offer roughly twice the power with equally paired riders relative to the frontal area, but probably three to five times the complexity. I love the idea of them, but have yet to meet a woman that will ride one with me, and I’m not a big risk taker either.
Yes, divorce machines. Rode a tandem with the ex-wife. Great way to ride together with differing abilities.
If someone refuses to be your stoker on a good quality tandem, you are doing something wrong.
@@my_dear_friend_ I may be part of it, but the willingness to relinquish control on the part of a stoker can also be an element. I’ve been told that an unwillingness to smell another person’s farts is a reason not to ride stoker on a tandem. We all have gaseous emissions, but are not equally tolerant of them.
Team Jollie vs “Team” Jolly. This isn’t even a pun, Oliver.
Somehow i still think that ollie could get dropped even in a tandem. His getting dropped skills is legendary
GREAT CLIP...... though not wanting to throw cold water over Ollie's glee. My girlfriend and I have a Trek tandem and it is easy for us to hit 60km... at which point I have to say I do hear a shout in my ear.... "SLOW DOWN....SLOW DOWN!" so I am surprised how slow Ollie and Jonhathan were... really... However it is murder going up mountains! (we live in Andorra). I competed in the national championships here with a friend who lost an arm in a car accident. Training for the championship gave him his first introduction to cycling. He loved it! We came second!
Great content. That is what I wanted to know for decades.
Tandem team would have done better if Johnathan had worn his glasses on the outside of his helmet straps like a pro...🧐😎
I love my tandem. Always fun to ride, but sometimes hard to find a riding partner since I split with my ex. I found out about the speed of tandems back in my younger days on a large, organized ride. We were bombing along in a large draft pack when we heard 'On your left.' A group of about 25-30 tandems rolled by us like we were standing still. Years later, when I could afford a nice one, I picked up a gently used one from my shop. We upgraded it with the latest goodies from Shimano and I've enjoyed it ever since. Looking forward to some more tandem vids.
comment before viewing. i went with a buddy on a tandem camping trip. about 100 miles each way. loaded with gear/tent and a slight tailwind we were coming back at nearly 30 mph for a LONG time. huge power
I ride tandems, so much fun can be had on them. On the flats they can be fast, slow uphill and can be totally bonkers fast on the descent.
I wish you guy will do a "TT vs Tandem for 30km". Fingers crossed 👍
Tandems can also be set up in a TT configuration, so not really any point as this current video was basically an apples to apples set up comparison already.
@@bryanboldt887 oki doki
Put Conner on an aero time trial bike and see how he does!
Anxious to see Jonathan and Ollie on the tandem vs Conor and Simon in a two-up TT!
Pinnacle of comedy with that Jackson 5 joke!
The editing on this is fire. Great content, as per usual.
Imagine two gannas on a tandem!!!🤗
Unstoppable!
That bike change would take forever :o
The world isn't ready for this!
That's how you implode the universe
I once saw a tandem when I was with my mtb, you know damn well I asked for a race, surprisingly fast not gonna lie!
Imagine if Ollie would have fallen off and got ”dropped”😂. Congrats Dr. Bridgewood for winning a race👏👍🍾🥂
Now we just need uci to alow tandems in the tour 😁
I actually really enjoyed this video, good job chaps.
The Bob Jackson tandem being steel reminds me that English Cycles makes some weird-looking steel TT bikes. Might be neat for you guys to showcase them - or maybe on GCN tech?
That Reynolds 853 and the extra lateral, that is a beast of a frame! Love my 853 road bike, that is one fine road machine.
We ride tandems, both on-road and off-road. #tandemadventurers
Tandem performance really comes down to the collective output of both riders vs. total frontal area on flats or the total combined rider weight on climbs (as is the case with most any bike). A tandem typically has about 30-50% more wind drag vs a single bike and so must produce 30-50% more power at the rear wheel to go the same speed as a single on a flat road. Two strong riders of about equal ability & performance will most likely be able to generate more than 30-50% increase in total combined power on a tandem (usually at least 70-80% or more), so in this case the tandem is going to be significantly faster than a single in most flat conditions. In reality however many times there is a discrepancy between the output of the captain & output of the stoker with most tandem teams and so they aren't able to produce this high of an output at the rear wheel which means the tandem won't be any faster than a single bike (sometimes slower). When comes to climbs, it is less about wind resistance and all about total power output vs. total combined rider weight. At the very best, a tandem with two equally matched riders in terms of climbing performance should be able to climb at a similar speed to a single bike (or about the same speed as what each individual could down on their own bike), but in most cases tandems will be noticeably slower on the climbs since a tandem will typically have a 60-80% increase in rider weight vs. a single bike while only having an increase in total power output of around 40-50% (again, due to the discrepancy between the rider's ability & performance). Once again it totally depends on the collective abilities and performance of both riders working as a single unit. A tandem will basically "average" out the performance of both riders. So if there's a difference in the performance of the 2 riders, the stronger rider will feel like the tandem is slower and more sluggish feeling than what he may be used to on a single bike; while the exact opposite is the case for the weaker rider. One thing is for sure however, nothing can beat a tandem on a descent due to a 60-80% increase in additional heft and only 30-50% more wind drag! And obviously while not as agile as a single bike, a tandem in the hands of a good captain is surprisingly nimble and maneuverable! We ride technical MTB trails with one of ours.
"Just try not to fall off the back mate" ... LMAO
Good the see the great 'Bob Jackson' cycles on GCN
Can't wait for the next video!
Connor has to come back and win. He can get back 20s.
Credit to the person who put the money behind making this video. Very interesting and original. More of this please.
Not surprised with the result.
Put it on an open semi-flat road and the time Gap will be much greater. LOL.
Having ridden many miles on a tandem with my brother. Once you have mastered it,there is no competition.
Question: why cranks are always synced? At 90 deg the power delivery would be much smoother, flattening acceleration-deceleration cycles.
@@michalkupczyk7 There is a slight side-to-side motion coming from each rider no matter how smooth you try to pedal. At 90 deg those motions are out of sync which is felt at the handlebars and makes the bike hard to handle. Plus most riders don't turn a perfect circle, and you don't want to be pushing the other rider's legs or have them pulling you through a dead spot. At 90 deg out-of-phase, riding out of the saddle would be difficult to impossible. At 0 deg you can get out of the saddle and sprint.
@@michalkupczyk7 The two riders work together, so the unnoticed slight movement on the bike both when seated and when out of the saddel have to be in sync. Also when cornering, both riders want the pedal on the outside of the curve to be down to handle the turn. By being synced the two riders feel the push of the combined pair when pressing down, much like when rowing.
@@af_20902 I like standing. My girlfriend doesn't. I switched our cranks to 90 degrees out of phase and it makes it easier for me to control the bike when I'm standing and she's seated.
Where were the aero helmets for all 3 of them? This was a time trial!
2 v Tandem. Can’t wait!!!
ITS COMING!
"Might be quicker if you unclip Ollie" Savage 🤣
I was going up a very steep climb and caught up with a couple on a tandem. As I was just behind them, the guy on front said, "Scotty! I need more power!" The woman on back responded, "I'm giving her all I've got captain!"
If the stoker was able to reply, then she wasn't "giving her all I've got."
Two pros slipstreaming vs tandem should be good!
Why is this not a 90 minute special on gcn+? Brilliant
Ollie says he finally won...
Not so fast, he was second behind the guy in front of him😁. Simon's turn on the TT bike to go against the tandem. Great stuff GCN!
You could tell the shots at 5:58 and 6:52 were b-roll filmed after the race. In the other shots both bottle holders were empty on connor's bike, but in those shots there is a neon orange bottle in the front holder haha
Nice, a proper bike. Steel , and no disc brakes.🔥👍👍
Great vid, as ever, but I wondered why the two sets of cranks are "in phase" i.e. both at the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions at the same time. Superficially, my limited knowledge makes me think being 90 degrees out of phase (12-6 and 3-9 o'clock positions) would provide power in those dead spots a single cyclist suffers from. Don't know whether that would lead to a better time but just a smoother application of power?
Maybe there will be confussion when going trough corners, one rider got the leg up away from the road surface, one rider leg dragged on the road surface. Is it make sense enough?
I think the tandem cranks might be better off if they were 90° out of phase with each other. Smoother power delivery and might be easier to deal with.
maybe, it's more refined power, but the it also adds turbulence.
Would be great to see a head to head on real country roads, with climbs and descents etc over 25-30 miles.
Would love to see the power numbers of the tandem riders... next time please set the tandem with powermeter pedals to add some more technical analysis to the race!!!
Incredible video thank you so much. Tandem Bike is also an excellent way for blind and visually impaired people to be able to get out and enjoy riding a bike. I love this video
Wow...this is exciting. Wonder how 2 vs tandem will turn out.
This would be more interesting with power pedals on the tandem...compare how much work they are actually doing between them and compared to Connor's 400watts.
I wish I had those on our tandem. My stoker never works up a sweat.
the power of two !! after taking out a tandem rental mountain bike made by rocky mt. cycles we 👫(both experienced mt. bikers) had a blast just make sure you both anticipate the upcoming corners as your speed is shockingly fast. if you don't the bike and yourselves will just go straight off the road/trail. 🤣😵💫
Sweet video. I can't wait for Two vs. Tandem! Can you share the average race car time on that track(5x)?
I race weekends on my tandem with my local club who ride solo. We are on 30 minute handicap over 50km and manage to win.
Wife and I use to ride a tanden ( Burley Bossa Nova ). Wife said the only problem was the view from the rear never changed.
Im calling it now, it'll take 3 to take down the tandem
Can you do Hank and Hank's dad on the tandem VS Ollie? That's the race we need
what would happen if you start increasing the grade? Would be interesting to watch with the calculated Power to weight ratio since weight will play a big role.
Having raced tandems in my youth, I just love this weapon! Just wish we'd have had that! But doesn't the guy on the front need a bigger belly? ... you know.. for aero? Also, never sure whether Manon is just that disappointed in Olly, or just driving away from a stalker? Also, if they're able to speak so easily, are they really trying hard enough?
I'm not a cyclist but I was gripped! Great video and a big surprise at the end.
My (step) Grandfather was a keen tandem rider at 5’ 4” and legs like tree trunks (even in his 70s) his job was “stoker” though too modest to say, I suspect he was quite good, with talk of National TTs and 6 day track events. Does anybody out there know how to access archives to see results for British events from the 1920s-30s?
I didn’t rediscover cycling until long after he had gone (beer, birds and mo’bikes) and wish I could have shared my modest achievements in Alpine sportives with him, but when the going got tough I knew he was on my shoulder “Come on, Skylark!”
Ollie is such a good sport!
Idea for improvement, install a mechanism for rear gears(if not already on) and pegs so that the riders can switch whose pedalling (constant power).
I'm actually disappointed that they weren't twice as fast.
Rematch yes!
Two versus tandem sounds genuinely interesting.
Very nice of GCN to prevent Ollie from getting dropped by welding his bike to Hank‘s!
holy **** that tandem is bonkers XD
You need to do a rematch on a road route, with climbs and descents. 2x the weight makes for a slower climb, but 2x the weight makes for a faster descent. The results would be interesting. My wife and I gravel grind on our Calfee tandem a lot, using 29 inch tires.
Need some head-to-head tandem trikes racing.
What a beautiful and funny tandem bike! I want it!
Imagine Filipo Ganna and Rohan Dennis on a tandem.
Or Moscon and Fortuneo...
As cool as it looks to have the cranks perfectly aligned like that, the rear crank should be delayed a smidgen so that the leg in the back is hitting the air from the front and not new air. I'm sure the difference is miniscule, but just saying, free speed...
Would be interesting to see if there's any benefit to having one set of cranks off by 90 degrees, so that each rider covers the other's pedal dead spot.
@@joelogjam9163 I didn't think of that: the intuitive side of my brain is saying it might, but the rational side of my brain is saying it shouldn't because the same power is put into the system regardless of the timing. Would be worth sticking it on the trainer to see which way it goes!
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Primary benefits are other than speed. Power delivery is definitely smoother with a crank offset, most notably on hill climbs. You don't need a full 90 degrees; 45-60 degrees is enough. Currently, I have my stoker's pedals advanced about 50 degrees; this helps starting off, as when I have my right pedal lifted nearly to the top, the stoker's pedal is in position for maximum torque. The offset also makes it possible to feel how much power the stoker is putting out - or not.
Tandem riding is an absolute blast. I think everyone should try it. Being a tandem captain requires great balance and steadiness for tight maneuvers at low speed where the increased length has significant effect, but once the bike is at road speed it is very stable and corners nicely. The main difference you notice from a single bike, is the feeling of greatly increased weight being controlled, and more frame flex - and downhill speeds are amazing. A 10% grade is good for 55+ mph coasting!