The Mechanic that BROKE TF2
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2023
- Within Team Fortress 2, many weapons, cosmetics and other items are dropped every single day. But why do they drop? Whose idea was that? Join me as the explore Valve reasoning, the lasting effect off and dark secrets behind the Item Drop System.
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the "influencing the item sistem " has been turned into crafting weapons with scrap and hats for like 12 metal, its thing but it just sucks realy
I still think inventory space is what fucks over new players the most
As a f2p I can confirm
its painful.
ancient 10 year old bug:
forced 2 buy 1key and begin gambling addiction
@@errorerror6927double dat
If Valve ever decided to rework how players get new items, the contracker is the perfect way to slowly introduce weapons and playstyles. Simply expand the pyro contracts in Jungle Inferno to include every weapon.
Oof. I don't do contracts so I would never get an item :/
i mean, yeah i agree. every new player has acces to f2 and a weapon that they can choose
That's basically the paid contract
(I still agree i was f2p recently myself)
I think that they should make a "arms race" module on the contracker, where you get at least one non-tradeable/craftable weapon copy of each weapon in the game (maybe a Backpack Expander for f2p's so they don't get cluttered) so everyone can get the chance to try out new stuff at their own pace, learn more about the class and their weapon of choice.
exactly
The one thing I'll give the drop system is that it's not linked to performance. The fact that I could play however I want in any server and not worry about losing out on in-game rewards, as small as they are, is great
They should link performance to comp, which would incentivize competitive play in comp and eliminate the competitve v friendly debate
@@l.m.l8598
Valve could also make an official statement declaring that "Killing friendlies is cringe" and that would absolutely and undeniably end the debate.
I love getting case drops! I love that over 60% of my backpack is filled with crates I will never open!
If it's really an issue just delete them, it's not like they're locked into your inventory slots
@@Gyovali No I don't care I just wanted to make a comment on my good friend indie's new video!
They need to increase the rare drop rates for craft hats, name/description tags, and paints. In 10 years of on and off playing, I've found about 8 craft hats, a couple tags, and a couple cans of paint. Meanwhile, another player who's played for 15 years with 6 thousand hours may have never gotten a hat drop once in their life.
Excellent job finding all of that archival footage! That must have been an undertaking to be able to find actual footage of sniper vs spy unlocks.
A huge thing I appreciate with the drop system is that it was recently fixed to drop hats much more frequently. I've found a couple basic ones just by playing normally, and it warms my heart to know that the F2Ps will inevitably acquire something besides a gibus.
Yeah. I had never gotten a hat or misc drop until the past couple years, where I got:
The Graybanns (all class sunglasses)
Sneaky spats of sneaking (spy shoes)
And a hood for pyro.
I don't really buy cosmetics, so having free ones is nice.
I would like to add that I have purchased things from the mann co store before, I just never bothered with cosmetics.
f2ps cant get rare drops, like hats and other stuff
Hat drops are exclusive to premium accounts.
In short, if your account cannot craft it, your account won't be dropped one at random.
Your point at the beginning about Valve experimenting is bang on the money. Valve is probably best described as an R&D company that uses video games as a way to test/showcase tech or ideas. They make so much money from Steam, CSGO, and DOTA that they treat everything outside of these projects as a space for free experimentation.
From a strictly monetary standpoint, no new Portal, Half-Life, or even Team Fortress is going to generate more then a drop in the bucket, so their only motivation for developing/maintaining such games is the opportunity to experiment with new ideas.
All the devs basically abandoned TF2 because it's so old and janky that it became difficult to experiment in.
1,000 hours and I’ve NEVER had a quickie bomb launcher, dead ass didn’t even know it existed when my friend asked me to use it
There's a couple of ways you could fix the drop system honestly:
1) Weighted odds. When determining what item the player should get from a drop, give duplicate items a slightly lower chance of spawning. Perhaps the more you have of a certain item, the less likely it could be to pop up?
2) Guaranteed drops on level up. This would make it so you couldn't simply idle on a community server. You would earn items faster by playing the game.
As well as that, you need to look at weapon smelting. The most obvious answer to metal inflation is create a metal sink. Something that costs a lot of metal, which is not achievable without metal. I think it would be cool if stat clocks were craftable with a ton of refined. They weren't tradable but could be attached on to warpaints, so your non stat track war paints could become stat track. Or maybe even a series of craft only warpaints. You could cycle the available paints every few months so that there's always a reason to keep investing metal
I keep getting bison from the idle drops to this day and I'm tired of it I don't want bisons anymore am I forever cursed to receive nothing but bisons until the day i inevitably fall victim to bison demise syndrome? I don't know for sure... but I sure as hell hope I don't end up like my buddy Greg.
Raise a herd of bisons
@@_indii I was actually thinking of doing that! Nothing better than the wind in my hair, some grass in between my lips, some nice sunglasses, just lookin' at all those bisons run wild in the range. But what if I don't take care of them correctly and they all plot to escape as a herd and they trample me to death on their way out?
That's what happened to my buddy Greg.
I swear to Gaben, if this is another "Random Crit Rant™" video I am gonna cry.
(Edit: okay its not another "Random Crit Rant™" video, thank you.)
7:02 i like the effort you put here in the subtitles so that it makes sense
7:14 Oh snap, he's wearing the badge!!
What I suggest is that they could tie the weapon drop system to the levels you get in meet your match matchmaking: every couple of levels you get a drop, and there should be a little icon at the end of the xp bar that would tell you exactly what you would get. Every 20 levels or so it could be a hat. All of that non-tradable, but it would still be better than nothing: it would finally give exp a use, you would only get those drops on official Valve servers and there is no need to idle as you wouldn't be able to sell those items anyway. I don't think this system should replace random item drops, it will simply be more of a neat thing to work towards for new players
Except valve servers are where the sniper bots roam :(
@@TheFirestormable yea, but since there are more players currently, it's not that big of a deal. On top of that, my hypothetical reward system would be tied exclusively to meet your match, while random item drops that are tradable would remain untouched and drop on community servers, as they still do as far as I remember
Except that such a change encourages players to play in a certain way and you watched the video right?
The best way to get experience is to kill people on the other team and friendlies are easy targets.
And as an occasional friendly myself, I do not condone such a change.
This isn’t something I’ve ever thought much about but it made for a really interesting video, great work :)
Glad you enjoyed it Snooterr!!
to be honest, i had no clue you could get hats from drops until a month or two ago. it had legitimately never happened before even though most of my playtime has been on a premium account. and i didn't know you could get paints until i watched this video, lol.
I've had a pretty good track record of getting hats from item drops, and, while I can't remember the last one I got, the best cosmetic drop I got was a
Shogun's Shoulder Guard, is nice.
An idea I had was to let players choose what items they wanted to get, like having 3 choices
1. New Weapon Drops
2. New Hat Drops
3. Weapons and Hats already gained
700 hours into the game and I still don't have a widowmaker, I have like 7 rainblowers but no widowmaker, something ain't right
Stock is usually the best all around choice with a few exceptions like the Crusaders Crossbow… unlocks help with more niche playstyles
Id also argue the Flare gun is really important to Pyro's basic game plan, with base Pyro the only reason to pull out the shotgun is if you encounter an enemy Pyro. Meanwhile the Flare Gun opens up so many opportunities for Pyro and makes the gameplay more than WM1
I think gaben loves me because I've gotten a shitload of hat drops and item drops. Yesterday I got a description tag drop, and like a week ago I got a really cool pyro cosmetic.
1:26 love this quality scout animation. He look he about to punch someone
to this day I still dont have some weapons still and I cant be bothered to trade them, talking about medic I had crossbow super late. I discovered tf2 a bit before the new drop system and have like more than 1k hours.
And honestly I think tf2 would need a way to use metal and make it disappear for some slight boon. Like i'm not a big trading guy but maybe account locked bags, hats, weapons and stuff. To this day I have like 2 or 3 cosmetics, kinda sucks you have no way to customize your character other than weapons without having to pay money. They could even make a bunch of new free cosmetics for this purpose
One thing I think would change about the drop system is for the weapon drops to HEAVILY prioritize items you don't have. I get wanting to have trading, but it gets old very fast if you have one weapon you don't have and get your 15th enforcer.
It'd just be really nice if the random drop system took into account which unlocks you do and don't have, in order to prioritise the few items that you're missing.
Like, last year I logged back into my account that I hadn't touched till meet your match. I had 2k hours on the account, only to notice that I still did not have every weapon in the game (other than the ones released in jungle inferno).
On the other hand, there were a few weapons that I had 5 duplicates of.
I honestly think valve should readd these "legacy drops" idk, bring back crates that can't be dropped anymore so items don't become impossible to get, spells, strangifiers and chemistry sets are so cool, like it's such a waste to not use them anymore, to avoid players idling for them, maybe make it so only paid accounts could get them on valve servers, limit them a lot, it wouldn't break the economy
I do miss the days of idling all night for items
As a beginner f2p, the first time I heard that you can get cosmetics and war paints from from item drops I didn't believe it because out of like 78 or something item drops I've ever gotten I got none of them were cosmetics and the fact that I can't just get a homewrecker, sticky jumper, holiday punch without having to wait several weeks due to the limit of items you get per week is pretty annoying. Anyways, good video, goodbye.
when indii puts out another masterpiece
They should bring back old drop items. 1000%
The gmod kinect bits slay me
You dont even know how much soda-poppers i got since i play tf2, and i dont even play scout
Nice new pfp btw
What’s that map at 2:08? I remember it being one of the first maps I ever played in TF2, and I’ve never seen it since 2011
dm_duel
You can make specific items. I believe they were alluding to blueprints.
7:31 this whole segment is fucking amazing
at 5:30 i had tf2 open so i got exited that i got a new item
I feel like if valve had to rework the item drop mechanic they could lower the percent a duplicate item (excluding crates) would drop for you and replace em with various misc things that wouldnt inflate the value of the economy that much (dont know how that would work out but its just a idea)
What weapon is that at 5:38
If craft numbers were still a thing, there would be a way to spend refined metal, and not just trade it for keys and vice versa.
Yeah. It’s so random when you get sun on a stick 4 times in a row in 2 days.
I’ve been playing for almost 4 years now.
I still don’t have a neon annihilator. I fucking main pyro.
Ok.
So this was an idea I have had for a while now.
Your next random drop has its drop time pushed up if you are actively in a match and it gets pushed back if you abandon a match before the game ends.
So for every second you spend in a match your next drop happens a half second sooner than scheduled or something.
Or something that would probably be a bit harder to explain but makes more sense in my head would be if your scheduled drop time gets pushed forward by x for every minute of play where x = 0.1(current time - scheduled drop time)^1.2 but that's just a shitty formula I thre together without throwing those numbers into a graphing calculator so some BIG tweaking may want to be done to make that formula do what I want it to. The basic idea is that the game will push your drop schedule forward less and less the closer you are to getting it.
And then there is my idea for penalizing people who abandon matches. If you leave a game early, your next drop will be pushed back 10 minutes. The punishment will only apply for the first 3 games you abandon each drop so your maximum amount of extra wait time is 30 minutes.
And shave the amount of time it takes to do a partner taunt off of the drop timing every time you do a partner taunt with someone on the enemy team. I want tryhards to know that friendlies are infact playing the game correctly.
Let me tell you though sometimes I get drop a very nice hat or cosmetic item it makes my whole fucking day.
Indii is one of those RUclipsrs who are small, but will release absolute gems once in a blue moon
Mechanic, that broke tf2 is killbind
It was either this, or grindy daily challenges to get cases and weapons. I can’t tell what’s worse.
i never had issues with this system cus i just bought all the weapons at the start for 1p each and had everything unlocked
10:00 Crafting
strange case
I like your Valve Employee voice.
i've been playing since 2018 and i still don't have an equaliser
The item drop system isn't perfect, but I like it. It's always fun to get a new item.
I really appreciate this video and the way you talk
"A currency that infinitely inflates and is based on nothing"
... thats most currencies
I didnt know 😔
i have 3k hours in this game and im pretty sure ive never gotten a craft hat from an item drop, i didnt even know you could
I am still waiting for a dead ringer. Joined in 2014 and have not gotten one yet. I refuse to buy one still
i think just lowering the chances of getting a duplicate would improve the drops a lot
i mean i get case but i cant open thhen because my country banned opening boxes
NOO NEW PFP
I dont have a pc so i play a tf2 copyright for mobile and they way things randomly drop there is that you finish a game and the better you do the more drops you get and it can be literally anything and i think its a better method since it encourages players to play the game
As someone whos been trading for about a decade i think the tf2 economy is fine. Many older items get devalued with time but the steady addition of newer more desirable ones keeps things moving in the right direction.
Yeah, all currency should infinitly inflate, with 1-3% a year being ideal.
And that's about what we see with refined metal after the first two or so years of its introduction (where it experienced hyper-inflation for the obvious reasons).
Yes, but small tf2 RUclipsr needs to Milk every single aspect of the game In an overly dramatic manner!
they need to do a case drop system similar to CSGO were there are rarer drops for older cases and more common drops for other cases
fix ideas
1._ f2p accounts will be unable to receive cases or tools only weapons - or just put the damn cases into weekly missions like csgo
2._ f2p can trade weapons but they cant gift them or anything they can only trade for other uinque weapons this literally kills bots farming weapons because you cant just send your loot to your main account you only can send to a f2p account weapons for another weapons this also removes the shit of the scam and benefits the newbies (if they craft the weapon they become untradable just like normal)
i trade my black box for a mad milk done
3._if the system detects you play too much a single class then the drop system will consider that chance to increase give you mostly weapons of that class
I have like 500 hours on tf2, I still don't have the jag and the panic attack:^)
Dude I just go to marketplace whenever I have a friend and just cashapp them like 3 bucks to buy all the weapons that are in the game.
it has been years (of admittedly playing on adn off) of drops where I'm waiting for an alibababooties to complete a stragifier. sure, I could trade for them, but it has been a while singe trade server stopped caring for people doing a scrap for an item.
sure I could start the crafting system, but I ain't gonna do a whole minecraft just because I want an item, I'm playing tf2, not factorio!
THEY DID ADD THAT LAST BIT ITS CALLED TRADING UP INDIE, GOD UNSUBBED
9:59 I guess in a way crafting does that but like come on, nobody does that
Fact - Valve invented Black scotish.
I just got the same chest and is the same ones you got
Time to make up a community service where people welcome new players by gifting them weapons.
p.s. Those "rotoscoped" sections with the ragdolls are cursed af. I love them.
Ahh yes the golden age of DM_duel of 2009. I remember starting in 2008 and DM_duel was the first community map I ever played on the Towlie server. Awesome times stickying the enemy spawn. 🤣
Nice ribbon
rip pop smoke
nice
I have got 3 sandwiches 2 back burners 3 pocket pistols 4 force of nature and 6 mother fucking cloak and dagger and yet i still don't have anything i have wanted since i started playing the game
work it down to numbers:
-let's say that the ultimate objective is to get every single player of TF2, every possible combination of unlock, tracker, skin, unusual, cosmetic, and festive variant possible, for all weapons.... every player would have a full stack of [everything there is to get]
-let's also say that the player count freezes overnight... no ups or downs... the number becomes stuck until this conundrum is solved.
-how many random iterations should occur, and how many duplicates would spawn, before point 1 can be true for all players?
that, is the number to work out... that, *IS* a number, and is finite.
that number, obeys a mathematical formula.
*WHAT* is it?!
..... and once you have that formula, consider that the player count will NEVER be frozen, so each new player demands a new iteration of the model.
*[that whole construct]* , is the answer to the problem
can you even fathom that?
For the frozen player count, the amount of anything ingame multiplied by the player count.
@@attibotgd4123 it's not multiplied... it's raised to the power of.
because it's not total amount of items... it's total amount of *tries* of item spawn, which themselves must spawn more items before getting the one you need.
Okay, but how did the drop system "break" tf2?
Anyone want to hear a drinking game that's likely to kill you within 30 minutes, don't play tf2 for 2 weeks and then get on collect 2 weeks worth of random drops then for every case you get drink 2 shots of whiskey
Which one?
Economy based on a currency not tied to anything that constantly inflates is how our real world economies run too tbf 😂
oh wait, 3 hours ago, nice, nice video
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I got 99 problems but an Uber ain’t one 😎
Did I hear a Ted Kaczynski parody in there towards the end?
Video begins at 5:32.
Funny how this system also bloated TF2 player charts
Pootis
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You’re blaming the wrong guy, unlocks inherently disadvantages new player by default whether it’s tf2 drops or any other games . Valve developer didn’t design the economy of keys and refs as currency, the community did. And pretty sure they knew the currency will inflate non-stop due to item drop existing.
you guys are getting random drops?
I mean, if you don’t want your refined metal, I’ll take it off your hands. I love crafting hats
Great video, you are a dude or a girl :3?(sorry for the aswer, i dont wanna use wrong pronnums ;3)❤
No worries! I go by any pronouns
10:00 - sure it's convoluted but crafting weapons is kinda that "last bit." Also why the hell are there still "idolers" and idol servers if metal has become virtually worthless. Honestly they should just bring back chemistry sets or more crafting recipes or anything that treats weapon drops like materials cause that's what they really are when it comes down to it.
I think the only solution is to remove item drops entirely
First!!!! (also fantastic video buddy)
Holy shit guy nothing against you but why did it take you 3 mins to say "item drop system"?
My bad man, scripting takes a while to get good at
@@_indii hey its fine, in my mind i thought it was mich worse: doing it intentionally as if you were doing a school report
I feel like valve should make their new cosmetics and add something what roblox tf2 did which you have to spend some money on a battle pass and you can get new valve hats and also maybe even new weapons and reskins?
i think that battle passes are donkey shit cum monkey ball sacks of stinkiness, but i think that tf2 can take something from tc2 with the funds system and also make the items you buy non tradable/non craft able to help new players out
if any TF2 dev is reading this please for the love of god DO NOT ADD A FUCKING BATTLE PASS