No Jokic, Big Problem, Nuggets fall to Pelicans in NBA Cup | Pickaxe and Roll

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @IamHailey8
    @IamHailey8 8 дней назад +25

    The problem is not that we're expecting too much of Jamal. We can accept Jamal for who he is, but then his salary should match that, so there's room in the budget to bring more players to assist. If he's getting paid like a max contract player, then we expect him to play like one. If he can't do it, he shouldn't be paid like one.

    • @Liz_A.5280
      @Liz_A.5280 8 дней назад +4

      Unfortunately this is very true. At least he should’ve taken a cut enough to get a bench! AG took a few millions off.

    • @PeterWilson-c3u
      @PeterWilson-c3u 8 дней назад +1

      @@Liz_A.5280 Dude we should've signed Kyrie instead of Jamal. You may not like Kyrie. But his numbers are on par with Jokic's in terms of efficiency. Jamal is handicapping this team

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад

      Exactly. Murray is a pile of garbage and should be paid like a pile of garbage, not like All NBA player.

    • @STRX54
      @STRX54 7 дней назад

      Lmao Kyrie is MJ compared to Jamal atm​@@PeterWilson-c3u

    • @aleksandar8090
      @aleksandar8090 7 дней назад

      ​@@PeterWilson-c3uWe can debate as much as we want now what could and should be done it makes zero difference!
      When i was basically screaming that Tim Connelly ruin Denver future with that two max contract's for MPJ and Murray, people said I don't know what I am talking about! And of course he then left Nuggets knowing the team is buried alive and can't do anything crucial anymore!
      Calvin is not to blame here...he is trying his best with cards that he was given,and the hand is just terrible!
      Now...only thing that we can hope is,that this few young surprise and exceed expectations... other than that is just day dreaming!

  • @t.4493
    @t.4493 8 дней назад +19

    You all need to stop lifting Murray so high. Us fans see through it all!

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад

      Stop it. Nuggets 3 point leader and goat, bubble murray will always be in him. You can't hoop therefore you're not a real fan, sorry not sorry he gave you a ring stop being a knock off lakers fan. He could go for 30 next game and you'd look stupid

  • @johnnylee1617
    @johnnylee1617 8 дней назад +16

    This game highlights just how bad the Denver team is without Jokic. Murray, who signed a four-year, $208 million contract extension, was given a max deal-if he’s not the right player, why offer him the deal? Do you think any other team would have offered him a similar contract?

    • @KClouisville
      @KClouisville 8 дней назад +4

      That's the issue with all these Denver media guys too.....Ryan suggesting he's "in the know" about stuff we aren't....then why weren't you balking at that ridiculous ass contract they gave him a few short months ago pal? Plenty of us were saying it was horrible THEN. This isn't rocket science. A lot of these Denver media folks need to lose the smugness. Most of us have seen plenty of basketball in our lives and understand it.

    • @mikivatrogasac4671
      @mikivatrogasac4671 8 дней назад +2

      He is 30M at best. That is enough to add KCPs deal up and get his 52M a year deal. So we could easily have KCP still if it wasnt for Jamal being overpaid...

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад +2

      Because they are incompetent. You know when they will understand what they did? After Joker retires, and they start going to playoffs every 10 years. I've never seen an organization that is actually trying to ruin the career of one of the best players in the history of basketball.

  • @gabrielgreer2493
    @gabrielgreer2493 8 дней назад +14

    Since you know more than us Ryan,tell us why Booth gave him the contract if there is "stuff" wrong with Jamal?

    • @KClouisville
      @KClouisville 8 дней назад +3

      This. I asked the same question. Most of the local Denver media analysts all acted like that contract was just a no brainer and something Denver basically had to do.

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад +2

      He doesn't know shite. FO thought he is 2023 playoff version of himself, but he really is anything but. I hope Jokic asks for a trade. Unfortunately, he is not selfish enough to go and play on a team where he isn't the one carrying the load every single game.

  • @하유정-i1w
    @하유정-i1w 8 дней назад +14

    This really does go to show you how good jokic is. The Pels are missing like 5 of their top 6 players. its crazy how bad this team is without joker. genuinely the worst team in the league by a mile

  • @NoahLinden
    @NoahLinden 8 дней назад +12

    We shouldn't expect Murray to return to form. His injuries have ruined his body. Malone needs to cut his minutes and give them to PWat and Strawther to hasten their development. It's time to face the music and make adjustments. With Murray coming off the bench, which lineups should we play?

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад

      Yet he will, because he's still jamal. Bums like you out here acting like it's more than basketball. Smh unathletic casuals

    • @IamHailey8
      @IamHailey8 8 дней назад +1

      Unfortunately, it's too late now.After signing into a max contract, they can't trade him. They can't do anything with him

    • @markuskramer8666
      @markuskramer8666 8 дней назад

      You can’t have a max player coming off the bench

    • @NoahLinden
      @NoahLinden 8 дней назад +2

      @@markuskramer8666 You can if playing him as a starter will make you lose games.

    • @markuskramer8666
      @markuskramer8666 8 дней назад +2

      @@NoahLinden i get it I agree he should be coming from bench. But with how much money we are giving him you need to try and get some of the investment back and only way to get close is to start him

  • @neegusa
    @neegusa 8 дней назад +8

    Sorry but a professional team shouldn't look so completely lost and incompetent without its best player, terrible and embarrassing game. 2nd "best" player gets a max and can't muster up enough to beat a g-league hospital team?

  • @ranisalman9650
    @ranisalman9650 7 дней назад +2

    If the injuries are affecting him why is he playing in the off-season and not trying to heal up?? I think unftly Murray's peak has passed us..

    • @KClouisville
      @KClouisville 7 дней назад +1

      This. The whole excuse for his putrid playoffs last year was injury....but instead of resting and getting some rehab on that he's gonna play in the Olympics....and for what? To give Canada zilch in terms of quality play? And there were reports that initially Denver wanted to put some conditional terms on games played, etc. in his new contract and he and his people balked. I'd have told him to play out the year then and we'll see what happens when your current contract is up. People need to get over thinking losing Murray is like the end of the world...unfortunately, Denver might be stuck with him for the next few years with the current contract.

  • @kuhajmozajedno
    @kuhajmozajedno 8 дней назад +7

    Murray's favorite song is Stone Temple Pilots - Half the Man I Used to Be.

  • @boblully5053
    @boblully5053 8 дней назад +17

    Jamal is trash he should have asked for a pay cut for how bad he is not to mention how bad Zeke and saric are wasted money on horrible people ruining prime jokic I hope jokic demands a trade to win another ring.

    • @enigmathegrayman2953
      @enigmathegrayman2953 8 дней назад +1

      50 plus million a year? Most NBA players are paid too much….

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад

      No ring without him jokic wouldn't be a nugget anymore without him you're a casual who can't even dunk

    • @boblully5053
      @boblully5053 8 дней назад +1

      @@JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum Murray makes more than trae young, dearron fox, Donovan Mitchell, devin Booker,lamelo ball, jayson tatum,shai,jordan poole,Tyler herro,jrue holiday,jalen Brunson,

    • @PeterWilson-c3u
      @PeterWilson-c3u 8 дней назад

      ​@@boblully5053 Kyrie> Jamal. Kyrie is not liked by the media, but when he played us, I totally imagined him replacing inconsistent Jamal

    • @boblully5053
      @boblully5053 8 дней назад

      @ look at what dearron fox just did when his team was injured dropped 60 and dropped 50 today with defense

  • @kenpatterson2948
    @kenpatterson2948 8 дней назад +5

    Jordan plays baseball in 1995 and Scotty Pippen leads the Bulls to a 55-27 record losing to Patrick Ewing's Knicks in Round two going 7 games. Could Murray accomplish this if Jokic was to sit out the year?

    • @igorvujicic6566
      @igorvujicic6566 8 дней назад +2

      Lol. He cant win against the Pelicans bench. He would be commanding that tank to the bottom of the ladder.

  • @gabrielgreer2493
    @gabrielgreer2493 8 дней назад +7

    Zeke naaji is bad at basketball. Booth should be fired for just having him still on the team

  • @71SanClare
    @71SanClare 8 дней назад +10

    Nuggets aside from Joker have the weakest roster in the NBA. This team would struggle to win 15 games without Jokic.

  • @dejanlekic5513
    @dejanlekic5513 8 дней назад +5

    I agree - Murray is hurt - mentally

    • @markuskramer8666
      @markuskramer8666 8 дней назад +1

      The fire that made him great has seemed to die

  • @djordjespasic2179
    @djordjespasic2179 8 дней назад +1

    Imagine earning 52 million per year. Yet you never were an All Star in your life, and scoring 16 points, is a successful game for you.
    He is untradable. Nobody would take him, except if Jokic is included in the trade.

  • @dejanlekic5513
    @dejanlekic5513 8 дней назад +3

    I expect 20+ points from Jay Huff tomorrow... :)

  • @enigmathegrayman2953
    @enigmathegrayman2953 8 дней назад +4

    For as much as Jamal Murray displays fire as “Bubble Murray” and “Championship Murray” can attest there seems to be a dismissiveness or a flat out indifference to putting maximum effort into several games per year!

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад +1

      He tore his acl bro, when teams scheme for him it's harder for him than it used to be. None the less, he would adapt if left to the role and he would get better. He's not in shape yet it's obvious

  • @mydog337
    @mydog337 8 дней назад +4

    As a long time Nuggets fan I have to say...watching Murray jog around with no sense of urgency and his jersey hanging out is getting old....sloppy.

    • @nenadnovakovic4560
      @nenadnovakovic4560 8 дней назад +2

      He is doing one thing which is stupid he is slowing down the team....too much balling and then when we have 10 sec till the end of attack he passes the ball....i mean Barton was playing like that....stupid.

  • @FrankM-u1w
    @FrankM-u1w 7 дней назад

    Ryan- Maybe you have answered this and I missed it.
    Whats up with the increased percentages on Free Throws and 3 points?
    Was it an offseason focus from the staff for offseason goals for guys, or did the players decide it was a focus on their own to train those 2 skills during the offseason? Or did they bring in some coach or did they just focus on it during the pre-season and limited practices so far?
    It seems to be a noticeable difference as a team, in particular AG and Watson, so I'm curious what changed?

  • @robertbridges4686
    @robertbridges4686 7 дней назад

    last year. Denver vs Knicks. Denver up 12 with 2 minutes left and Jamal collapses on the floor. Gets up. Stays in the lineup. Plays recklessly. Blows his ankle. And stayed hobbled from there on out through the playoffs and now, it seems, the injury lingers. Meanwhile Malone who 1 day prior to that Knicks game said: Health is more important than winning." We won the game and lost the future.

    • @STRX54
      @STRX54 7 дней назад

      Lmao you saying that Jamal is trash because that game.
      Stop fooling yourself.
      Best way to help a once in a lifetime player is to give Jamal Murray 50M per year? That's just idiotic and i hope to god we don't regret this for our lives.

  • @markuskramer8666
    @markuskramer8666 8 дней назад +4

    Stop making excuses for the team they should be able to keep the ship from sinking vs the horrible pelicans team

  • @zardoz7900
    @zardoz7900 8 дней назад +3

    Shame on Denver Nuggets for doling out TWO HUNDRED MILLION to an average player who doesn't even play games, always injured etc...Murray. Shame shame shame shame shame Instead they could have traded him. Jokic has to leave but he's a giant labia majora at heart to do so. I can't follow the Nuggets anymore.

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад

      I already wrote that Joker is from Eastern Europe, and his wife and daughter are also in Denver. So places like NYC, Memphis, LA, Chicago, NO, Detroit...are out of the question for an eventual trade. Possible places would be Portland, Toronto, Utah and Oklahoma. Oklahoma has bunch of first round picks and Chet. That is a Chip right there. Imagine Joker with SGA insead of with Murray. I mean imagine him with Steph, Ant, Ja, Trae, Cade, Kyrie, Booker, Fox, Mitchell, Brunson, Maxey, Dame, Harden, Tyler Herro, Darius Garland Jordan Poole... Bur since he won't ask for a trade, he should press the FO to bring him help he deserves. He ask for Russ cause Russ ain't no bitch and will go hard all the time. Next postseason he should ask them to spend. Billionaire is affraid of luxury tax, but he wants chips anyway.

    • @zardoz7900
      @zardoz7900 7 дней назад

      @AVAXII well said. 🙏

  • @FrankM-u1w
    @FrankM-u1w 7 дней назад

    Saric showed me enough to know he can do mini Jokic things, but do we really only have 3 guys(Jok,AG,Dario) who can rebound?
    Murray I want to be mad at, but I want him to get motivated and idk how to do that. I hope he gets that fire back. Jamal does seem to be learning a little from Westbrook's drives, and how to prevent going down everytime and Braun/Watson also seem to have been learning from Russ.
    When we get healthy we need to split minutes with MPJ/Watson and Watson bleeding into Zekes split with AG. Zeke cannot rebound but can do other things, put him out there with Jokic a bit and get Dario some help from AG more. Watson is a glue guy let him soak up minutes MPJ or AG aren't on the court but throw Zeke in at 4 when both starters(AG+MPJ) are out. Straight splits for Jokic and Dario minutes because Dario can do similar things and rebound, I can see it if you give him MPJ and AG to get him and Westbrook/Murray some more offense. Jokic needs athletic guys to accessorize his game like Watson, Braun and Strawther. Zeke is athletic and can do help side defense for 12m a game while cutting and shooting from outside, plus we need him to contribute or gain trade value. Zeke is not a 5, stop trying it please. He doesn't have Jeff Greens/Millsaps/AGs nasty side, and thats ok but he isnt going to gobble up rebounds without being mean inside the paint and he gets pushed under the basket a lot.

  • @reinhardtkefa5867
    @reinhardtkefa5867 8 дней назад +3

    Am not the only one who has noticed
    Jamal seems he has lost explosiveness
    There is no excuse for Jamal
    He takes the most shots in the team and he is badly inefficient
    I keep comparing 2020 and now and i saw that Jamal has really lost quickness and explosion
    U remember last year when Malone said they need to set better screens for Jamal to loose his defender quicker
    He just can't seperate from his defenders like in the bubble
    Now if he goes one on one u know he is bricking
    Also Jamal is one dimensional
    He is a shooter and doesn't go to th rim
    Jamal is the type of guy who is streaky

    • @JoshLloydfuckedmyass
      @JoshLloydfuckedmyass 8 дней назад

      Yup I rewatched the bubble highlights he was way quicker and more explosive

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад +2

      So they gave max contract to a shooter that never averaged more than 21points, that averages 17 points for a career. To a shooter that shoots 38% behind the line, and that had only 2 seasons in his career ( he is in his 9th season) where he shot 40% from behind the arc. That is a top tier shooter right there. He is an All Star player. He just wasn't selected yet. Where are all the bright people saying that nonsense now?
      Jamal got his money and is now having the worst shooting season in his career. It doesn't matter if you look his 3p%, his 2p%, or his eFG%. He is trash. Joker winning a chip with this bum as 2nd option is unreal. You literally have 20 better point guards than him in the NBA. You have a selfless offensive juggernaut every player wants to play with cause he makes everyone around him better, which leads to everyone around him getting paid. Yet you decide to give max contract to a bum. This has to be the worst front office in the NBA.

    • @STRX54
      @STRX54 7 дней назад

      ​@@AVAXIIworst front office in the NBA history **

  • @patconlon7835
    @patconlon7835 8 дней назад +4

    Murray is the haughty type where the more criticism he gets the more hes gonna dig in---He aint gonna change--Dude has a arrogant contempt for any kind of strict diet conditioning regime--also -Babbler D-LINE said "murray is more like demar derozan at this stage of his career"-🤣-murray is 27 years old--derozan is 35

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад

      Dude is a goat in Denver. You don't know anything about him or the nuggets lmao. Clown ass nugga. The nuggets didn't have a proper big man without jokic or gordon, that's not going to work no matter what. You need to learn how basketball works, id dunk on you and make you hate the sport

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад

      Murray got more playoff wins in one season than derozans entire career😂😂😂😂 and more 40-50 point games in one post season than derozans entire career😂😂😂bozo

    • @patconlon7835
      @patconlon7835 8 дней назад +3

      @@JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum- do your homework. son--derozan never played his entire career with Jokic

  • @tenXXIII
    @tenXXIII 8 дней назад +3

    you're too soft, one team cannot fall to one man, its called a team sport, we're seeing such a drop in quality (beating best teams vs losing to a bench of a worst team)

  • @heNh-ml7gr
    @heNh-ml7gr 8 дней назад +2

    The bright side of the nuggets: Every team would love to pay for the Joker. The nuggets can keep Murray, MPJ and Naji for the rest of their career.

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад

      The problem is Joker is from Eastern Europe. He is in Denver with his wife and daughter, and got used to it. If he was to get traded, it would have to be to Jazz, Raptors, Blazers, or Thunder. Since first 3 teams are trash, OKC is the only team you could trade him to

  • @Li_Yifei
    @Li_Yifei 7 дней назад +1

    I hope next contract of joker other team will offer 70m/year and he grab it. Booth wasting jokic talent

  • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
    @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад +2

    At what point do we call out nba officiating. Im tired of watching nuggets get blown out of the paint only for Denver to get called for breathing on the other team when it goes the other way. It's unwatchable

  • @phuc-v4g
    @phuc-v4g 7 дней назад +1

    Murray is who he is time to stop making excuses for his poor showing..and stop trying to make murray out to be better than he is..

  • @kingpixel1742
    @kingpixel1742 8 дней назад +1

    If we're this negative about the team and Jamal especially in November then the team needs to be blown up and get what assets we can because again if it's this dire in November then this team won't win another championship in the Jokic era

    • @markuskramer8666
      @markuskramer8666 8 дней назад +1

      Murray has looked bad for almost a year people are seeing a huge trend

    • @AVAXII
      @AVAXII 7 дней назад

      What? A championship? Are you for real? That ship has sailed as soon as they gave Jamal Murray that money.

  • @pink8296
    @pink8296 8 дней назад

    come on people, how long to attack Jamal, they kept him like a treasure. there are no threes, you go under the net.... the main problem is that there was no one to play under the hoop. Jamal can't do that. The only one who can keep the game going when Jokic is not there is Gordon. The rest....children and misses

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад +1

      Exactly, these casual bums are annoying

    • @NoahLinden
      @NoahLinden 8 дней назад +1

      PWat and CB are having fantastic seasons, so it's not just Jokic and AG.

    • @pink8296
      @pink8296 8 дней назад

      @ yes they are good but let's be realistic... together they weigh 50 kg and can they fight under the hair... they can try to run through. and they need to be beaten under the hair like AG and Jokica for at least one whole championship

  • @140acresretired7
    @140acresretired7 8 дней назад +1

    Well if we are going to lose a game, losing one tied to that stupiod NBA cup thing is a good game to lose. Would rather have the extra time off then play for a fake cup. If you are a true Max player you can carry a team when needed. With out Jokic on the floor you get a good look at what Booth has done. They got lucky with Jokic. Just to many Max deals in the league that leads to player jumping teams way to much. GM's need to pump the brakes already and slow it down. We did see Murray. Yelled for a year not to Max that guy. Could of waited a year and see how he did. Stuck with him is what the Nuggets are. Saric need to be named the back up period. Don't know what Booth has going with Zeke but I have never seen any thing in 3 years and for sure would of keep Huff over him. Good show.

    • @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum
      @JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum 8 дней назад

      The young players just need to get better. If a team is doubling jamal and it's working then they keep doing it. They need to release the pressure, they didn't and jamal was suffocated

    • @IamHailey8
      @IamHailey8 8 дней назад

      Doesn't this game count towards the 82? It's not just a game for the cup if I'm not mistaken.

    • @IamHailey8
      @IamHailey8 8 дней назад

      ​@JokicTop5alltimeandclimbingbum You can't blame the young guys for this one. MPJ and Jamal, 2 max salary players, should have taken the game on their shoulders and finish with 30+ points. It's a game we should have won.

  • @eddysell83
    @eddysell83 8 дней назад +1

    Let's call em the denver jokic from now on because the nuggets sucked

  • @AVAXII
    @AVAXII 7 дней назад

    That trash organization is ruining the career of the best offensive player in the history of the sport. They should have given max contract to Reggie Jackson too, why not. Bunch of incompetent clowns. This is what Nuggets are without Jokic. A lottery team. Last year's Detroit Pistons. The difference being Pistons have a good PG. Max contract to a guy that averages 17 points and 6 assist for a career. What a joke. There are minimum 15 better PGs in the NBA. Minimum. Wish Joker would ask for a trade.

  • @IamHailey8
    @IamHailey8 8 дней назад +1

    Nice Ryan, blame it Jokic, lol

  • @phuc-v4g
    @phuc-v4g 7 дней назад

    and his so called assistant HC sucks, this ain't the first game he has sucked as HC get a better coach

  • @paulhiniker2489
    @paulhiniker2489 8 дней назад

    Why wouldn’t the assistant coach play Jordan when we’re getting out rebounded that badly? I know Zeke was bad but he only played five minutes, he needs more to figure things out

  • @paulfritsch672
    @paulfritsch672 8 дней назад

    Social media is gross. Look at all these lame comments.