I have been the Lyon Healy store in Chicago and think the Lyon Heal6 has better resignation than any or harp. I love the deeper sound. It does need better sound quality and would have been better to have one harpist to play rather then two. Each harpist has their own style in playing that effects the sound. Just for future reference.
Each harpist is different, but the instruments are not all different. The last time I was at the factory, there were two sounds: busy or clear. Each harp was one of the other.
I don't know why, given their size, but historically they have had a more delicate sound. Now the proportions are closer to that of the 23 which should reduce some of that difference. But if the column is heavier, that will have an effect.
The sound being sort of awful shows how projective and clear the L&H instruments are and the Camac sounds like background music mush. It’s really the Camac that needs better recording or amplification.
Lyon & Healy Harps sounds better that other harp sounds kind of sharp and not responsive I am a harpist as well. You guys are talking way to low and it sound as if you are trying to make that cam harp are what ever it is sound loader then the Lyon & Healy harp. The second harp the camac harp sound to bright for me, The second harp Lyon & Healy has a much nicer tone and even sound.
The main difference is usually in the amount of reverberation and overtones. The LH harp has many overtones, particularly in the high register, a tone of sympathetic vibrations, which gives it that sound of a heavenly choir. These are what help it project its treble range over an orchestra. Salvis, having much less of that, require much more pressure to play, and do not project as well in the treble. The new ones do in the middle and bass, but that also makes them uneven.
Camac harps are synthetic and sound like it. They cannot respond like a true musical instrument. They are not worth the cheaper price and they also tend toward being ugly. They also don't follow standards of string spacing and other aspects of a harp. Lyon & Healy harps remain the gold standard for good reason. Only they have the full resonance and reverberation in every register, the complete dynamic response. Side-by-side, a Salvi has 10% less projection if not more, due to greater weight, thicker finish, less treble ring, and require more effort to play. There's just no good reason to play a Camac. It might as well be entirely plastic.
Hi! So Camac harps have replaced non-vibrating (non being the operative word here) with carbon fiber. So the column, feet etc. are carbon fiber; but the sound board, sound box, and shoulder are all made of whatever wood the harp is listed as having. Another thing, you mentioned the "standards" of string spacing. While Lyon and Healy have their ways, the upper register can often be a little tight or small for taller players. Since I am a 14 year old, 6'2 harpist its very clear that I am tall, but also still growing. One of the huge factors of me choosing a Camac over Lyon And Healy was that there is more spacing for my hands, and many taller harpist pick Camac for this reason. Yes some harps are cheaper but those are mainly student/beginner harps. Camac still has concert grand harps that match Lyon and Healy's Prices, so if your looking for professional, expensive harps, Camac works just as well. You say they tend to be "ugly" but that is truly a an opinion, you could say the same thing about any Lyon and Healy harp. The appearance of an instrument doesn't matter, its the sound quality and the way it plays that is key. Now another key issue is how you describe the harps. Each harp is created differently and there might be a Lyon and Healy in the world that has terrible sound quality, and a Venus harp that sounds infinitely better. Each harp and different, just like each musician is different, and each musician needs to find there own instrument. Now there are a few more things about Camac harps you may not know. Camac harps have replaced the pedal rods with cables, so it is almost impossible to break them, thus almost eliminating a huge fear, and maintenance fee. ALL harps have a 10 year warranty as opposed to Lyon and Healy's 5 year warranty. Thanks so much for listening for reading this if you even got this far LOL! I do understand that Lyon and Healy is your preferred choice, and that's cool. To each their own. Have a wonderful day! ( yes i did write an essay, so sue me. High school sucks and this is therapeutic 😻)
@@Music-gz4ud No one can say that Lyon & Healy harps are ugly. Opinions are not fact or expertise. All harps are NOT equal. The so-called non-vibrating parts of the harp, in fact, DO vibrate and contribute to the sound, the neck and column are totally part of it. That's why Camacs suck so badly, because replacing natural wood and metal with plastics changes the character of the sound thoroughly. They are also unable to respond to sudden changes in dynamics, such as an accented note. They are simply improper as musical instruments. If you want to instruct your ears, go to a store that sells fine wood recorders and plastic ones, and listen as you play to the changes in quality between the different woods, and the total change when you play the plastic. Developing musicians, as you call students, need to train their ears and learn. That is why their teachers should select their instruments. A student is not ready to do that on their own. Music is not personal. As for pedal rods, they rarely break, and one can have a spare set and learn how to replace them. No need for fear. My teacher insisted that I order a Style 23, when I might have chosen a 30 or 17. Her reasoning was that they were THE STANDARD for a concert instrument, they kept their value the best, and were made with the best quality of wood. She was right. She was wrong to allow me to order the walnut model, as they were all made with inferior wood, but I was lucky and got a harp that was even in sound. Camacs are not even in sound. They are in fact poorly designed as visual art, though the newer ones are far better in that respect. They do not hand-carve the columns, they are poured into molds, and they look it. They should be dirt cheap for such lousy manufacturing, but they are not. Lyon & Healy harps have been the GOLD STANDARD for the sound and design of a harp for well over a century. For good reason. Yes, their mechanism may not be perfect, but that's life. Salvi is a second-best, but far superior to Camac. Even Venus was superior to Camac. There are other makers in Europe, who make harps that are all wood and metal. But the only ones I know are Horngachers, which are too heavy and constrained in sound. I don't know the David or Thurau harps. Try them before you buy Camac. By the way, Lyon & Healy did increase the amount of space in the upper octaves, but you know what? Even grown men were able to play up there before they did that; you just have to adapt your hand position a bit. So you see, you're not knowledgeable enough to have any expert opinion on this. I am, after decades of study and playing. So listen to experts, not yourself. You can also get a Swanson harp, some are very good. These are the facts, ma'am.
Timestamps for comparison: Elysee 0:43, Style 23 1:30, Vendome 2:20, Style 100 3:05
the audio on the video is terrible, especially if you are trying to demonstrate sound
Could barely hear.
Please do it again with better sound :)
Thankyou Lord for heavenly music melody Instruments and your will to bring them into fruition. I love you sisters...
I have been the Lyon Healy store in Chicago and think the Lyon Heal6 has better resignation than any or harp. I love the deeper sound. It does need better sound quality and would have been better to have one harpist to play rather then two. Each harpist has their own style in playing that effects the sound. Just for future reference.
Each harpist is different, but the instruments are not all different. The last time I was at the factory, there were two sounds: busy or clear. Each harp was one of the other.
I'd love to hear more about L&H style 11, which isn't mentioned a lot compared to style 23.
I don't know why, given their size, but historically they have had a more delicate sound. Now the proportions are closer to that of the 23 which should reduce some of that difference. But if the column is heavier, that will have an effect.
Thank You. Blessings🙏
To really compare 2 different harps, The same harpist should have played : not 2 harpist 🤷♂️
The sound of a harpist differs from another !!!
the lyon and healy is my fav, no doubt.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK
Personally, I preferred Lyon & Healy sound, especially Style 11 which didn’t shown on this video.
The woman on our left (Laura?) is very hard to hear! But I love the idea of these comparison videos.
IMHO over all I like the L&H best. However, I think I like the Vendome over the more expensive Camac.
Lyon & Healy harps can not be challenged they are the best in the world period.
Absolutely.
Nice
the CAMAC is my fav, no doubt.
L&H is the best 👍
Great videos! Thank you!
I like both Lyon & Healy and Camac harps.
The sound being sort of awful shows how projective and clear the L&H instruments are and the Camac sounds like background music mush. It’s really the Camac that needs better recording or amplification.
Audio is terrible!
Lyon & Healy style 23, the best sound ever!!👍👍🎶🎵Camac sounds “muddy” in bass strings🙄
They also do not respond well to accents and subito dynamic changes. The sound is much harder to manage well.
The audio isn’t bad guys
what are the prices of these wounderful harps
From left to right: Lyon & Healy Style 23 - $33,000, Lyon & Healy Style 100 - $23,500, Camac Vendome - $20,900, and the Camac Elysee - $34,500.
One would think that considering the number of video this company makes that they would learn something about recording.
Lyon & Healy Harps sounds better that other harp sounds kind of sharp and not responsive I am a harpist as well. You guys are talking way to low and it sound as if you are trying to make that cam harp are what ever it is sound loader then the Lyon & Healy harp. The second harp the camac harp sound to bright for me, The second harp Lyon & Healy has a much nicer tone and even sound.
The main difference is usually in the amount of reverberation and overtones. The LH harp has many overtones, particularly in the high register, a tone of sympathetic vibrations, which gives it that sound of a heavenly choir. These are what help it project its treble range over an orchestra. Salvis, having much less of that, require much more pressure to play, and do not project as well in the treble. The new ones do in the middle and bass, but that also makes them uneven.
Camac harps are synthetic and sound like it. They cannot respond like a true musical instrument. They are not worth the cheaper price and they also tend toward being ugly. They also don't follow standards of string spacing and other aspects of a harp. Lyon & Healy harps remain the gold standard for good reason. Only they have the full resonance and reverberation in every register, the complete dynamic response. Side-by-side, a Salvi has 10% less projection if not more, due to greater weight, thicker finish, less treble ring, and require more effort to play. There's just no good reason to play a Camac. It might as well be entirely plastic.
Hi! So Camac harps have replaced non-vibrating (non being the operative word here) with carbon fiber. So the column, feet etc. are carbon fiber; but the sound board, sound box, and shoulder are all made of whatever wood the harp is listed as having. Another thing, you mentioned the "standards" of string spacing. While Lyon and Healy have their ways, the upper register can often be a little tight or small for taller players. Since I am a 14 year old, 6'2 harpist its very clear that I am tall, but also still growing. One of the huge factors of me choosing a Camac over Lyon And Healy was that there is more spacing for my hands, and many taller harpist pick Camac for this reason. Yes some harps are cheaper but those are mainly student/beginner harps. Camac still has concert grand harps that match Lyon and Healy's Prices, so if your looking for professional, expensive harps, Camac works just as well. You say they tend to be "ugly" but that is truly a an opinion, you could say the same thing about any Lyon and Healy harp. The appearance of an instrument doesn't matter, its the sound quality and the way it plays that is key. Now another key issue is how you describe the harps. Each harp is created differently and there might be a Lyon and Healy in the world that has terrible sound quality, and a Venus harp that sounds infinitely better. Each harp and different, just like each musician is different, and each musician needs to find there own instrument. Now there are a few more things about Camac harps you may not know. Camac harps have replaced the pedal rods with cables, so it is almost impossible to break them, thus almost eliminating a huge fear, and maintenance fee. ALL harps have a 10 year warranty as opposed to Lyon and Healy's 5 year warranty. Thanks so much for listening for reading this if you even got this far LOL! I do understand that Lyon and Healy is your preferred choice, and that's cool. To each their own. Have a wonderful day! ( yes i did write an essay, so sue me. High school sucks and this is therapeutic 😻)
@@Music-gz4ud No one can say that Lyon & Healy harps are ugly. Opinions are not fact or expertise. All harps are NOT equal. The so-called non-vibrating parts of the harp, in fact, DO vibrate and contribute to the sound, the neck and column are totally part of it. That's why Camacs suck so badly, because replacing natural wood and metal with plastics changes the character of the sound thoroughly. They are also unable to respond to sudden changes in dynamics, such as an accented note. They are simply improper as musical instruments. If you want to instruct your ears, go to a store that sells fine wood recorders and plastic ones, and listen as you play to the changes in quality between the different woods, and the total change when you play the plastic. Developing musicians, as you call students, need to train their ears and learn. That is why their teachers should select their instruments. A student is not ready to do that on their own. Music is not personal. As for pedal rods, they rarely break, and one can have a spare set and learn how to replace them. No need for fear. My teacher insisted that I order a Style 23, when I might have chosen a 30 or 17. Her reasoning was that they were THE STANDARD for a concert instrument, they kept their value the best, and were made with the best quality of wood. She was right. She was wrong to allow me to order the walnut model, as they were all made with inferior wood, but I was lucky and got a harp that was even in sound. Camacs are not even in sound. They are in fact poorly designed as visual art, though the newer ones are far better in that respect. They do not hand-carve the columns, they are poured into molds, and they look it. They should be dirt cheap for such lousy manufacturing, but they are not. Lyon & Healy harps have been the GOLD STANDARD for the sound and design of a harp for well over a century. For good reason. Yes, their mechanism may not be perfect, but that's life. Salvi is a second-best, but far superior to Camac. Even Venus was superior to Camac. There are other makers in Europe, who make harps that are all wood and metal. But the only ones I know are Horngachers, which are too heavy and constrained in sound. I don't know the David or Thurau harps. Try them before you buy Camac. By the way, Lyon & Healy did increase the amount of space in the upper octaves, but you know what? Even grown men were able to play up there before they did that; you just have to adapt your hand position a bit. So you see, you're not knowledgeable enough to have any expert opinion on this. I am, after decades of study and playing. So listen to experts, not yourself. You can also get a Swanson harp, some are very good. These are the facts, ma'am.
@@nonenoneonenonenone calm down grandma, went from 1-100 real quick. also srry abt ur teacher if she made u pick an instrument u didnt want