For Honor: Reality is often disappointing 😆
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Just a For Honor meme / shitpost about how utterly ineffective orochi's katana would probably be against Warden's knight armor irl, for your viewing displeasure xd
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That’s why kids, if you’re ever in the situation where you need to fight a knight, specifically from Europe, use a blunt force weapon
Or bring a gun.
Nice plate you got there. Would be a shame if this hammer on a stick did something to it
@@lordtabs yes, the best melee
@@alexanderchristopher6237 hah, American.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 typical me scenerio
People forget that it got to a point where knights were walking tanks and were basically impossible to kill without specialized weaponry
People forget that a common cause of death in plate armor was from heat exhaustion or physical shock for exertion. For a reason. 💀
That’s why they always brought daggers to fights to stab other knights through their small gaps thats one of the flaws of the knight armor
@@nakknjr9322 Sometimes that wouldn’t even work, as they had chain mail. But still more effective than doing the equivalent of hitting them with a pool noodle
@@Spoon80085 i don’t mean slash, stab since the chain mail wasn’t very good against stabs
@@nakknjr9322 Mb
Even the story mode pointed this out. When the Warden finally meets Orochi he blocks one of his katana swings with the palm of his hand.
but orochi wins
@@srlucasskl7721 because that's who the player controlled, not because of logic
@@abigbutterstick1780 warden was just some random guy and Orochi was the best samurai of the kingdom
@@srlucasskl7721 Warden was handpicked for Blackstone and Orochi was well out of practice
@@abigbutterstick1780 And still orochi defeated him
_"Uncle Shugoki, they keep laughing at me!"_
"Just use stick, child."
@@Jam._.big stick "
In reality, a Shugoki would be the most effective soldier against a Knight.
@@Panaderov-ro5ktno he won't be because he is almost half naked and has really heavy stick while Law bringer with his police would destroy him
@@angeleyes9795 I'm mostly referring to his weapon, a blunt weapon would be the most uselful anti-knight, Im not talking abouf Jormungandr because well, short range + very fucking naked in comparing to LB, its even a joke lol
But Goki's weapon seems pretty heavy so i doubt he would even get a chance to get a good hit at a Lawbringer
Vikings stop that attack with their incredible neck muscles
Sure dude... xD
Nah they turn around and catch the moving blade between their muscular cheeks and then proceed to beat the Samurai to death with their horns
@@sebastiantorrez8563 you must be fun at parties
@@_onlyrackz_ is that your best? I just say "sure dude" xD, pathetic
@@sebastiantorrez8563 you must be fun at parties
In "reality" lawbringer would be nearly unstoppable
But wouldn't be able move
@@chiseledspecimen7322 He would move fine...
@@chiseledspecimen7322 it would be rather heavy but he would still be able to move and fight
Y'all talk like he wouldn't be strong enough to be fully mobile.... The guy probably looked like Hercules under that armor.
@@chiseledspecimen7322 he might be slow but lawbringer is almost 7 feet tall and probably well over 200lbs built. he would have the ability to move in that armor, the character is a tank.
Knights: laughing at Samurai blades
Vikings: send in the jormungandr
How about Shugoki? Maybe Nobushi can stab at the gaps?
@@amurderofcrows4984 yeah and Conqueror too.
Well maybe not Nobushi because stabbing between gaps don’t mean shit against trusty chainmail
@@Chemtrooper46 I thought not, just spitballing. Was trying to figure out Samurai that would work. All around, Jorm would probably stomp, and pretty much any other character with a blunt object for a weapon. Also, does Warmonger just ignore armor? I know it’s a game, but watching her just shove her hand straight through armor like it’s nothing is hilarious.
@@amurderofcrows4984 yeah that’s completely impractical as well. Claws don’t work like that with armor
Unless it’s adamantium lol
@@Chemtrooper46 Still, just a game, so I just chalk it up to being tacticool. It should only realistically go through Vikings who aren’t wearing anything, like Raider, and even then, you’d have to be strong as hell to get it through all the muscles and bone in a single thrust.
That’s one thing I loved about the Armoured Knight fight in Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. Your katana does nothing, and you have to resort to pushing him off a bridge.
That damn fight made me want to throw myself off that bridge
"pretends to die to spare Orochi's feelings"
What a Nice lad that Warden Is! :D
Beans
As funny as that is. I wouldn’t be surprised if they experienced some kind of whiplash or maybe a slipped/broken vertebrae. Even if it doesn’t kill a blow to the neck with all the weight behind it would suck ass.
@@cakenshake whiplash like that could break the neck also a slice with that much potential force could *maybe* break through chain mail si that warden did not pretend to die and he's at least unconscious
@zebaguettefromfrance1287 neck break? Unconscious? bro thinks he is in warband (are you serious)
Knights vs other knights
"So what we just stare at each other?"
S1 Turtle meta in a nutshell xd
@@Arty298Shorts *parried heavy. Gets free gb and heavy*
Good times
Hammers
Where's thine Pommel?
So.. you just want to hug this one out?
Shugoki would be the knights nightmare
*The concussion master*
Facts he just stand an they give up
Till he gets hit with a flail and half his jaw rips off
Leave me alone!
*Shugoki light heavy combo*
Until LB hits him with the halbert in any of the 40% of his skin showing
Until the knight brings in a halberd, polaxe, mace or warhammer...
Also the Shugoki is unrealistic and a fictional character that didn't exist as a soldier in real life
In all reality the knight faction in this game would steamroll every single one of the other faction hero’s even if all the other faction hero’s teamed up on them…
Yeah, only Jorm and Shugoki would be able to do actual damage to the knights. But Jorm wouldn't survive long since he doesn't have much armor. Shugoki would probably survive longer, maybe even take out 1 or 2 knights. But he would fall eventually.
I doubt that ,the samurai's were experts in long range battles using spears and arrows as there main weapons,even samurai Armor was very well protected so this is just some bs out of your ass saying the "medieval knight Armor is god" no it wasn't,also there is a reason why blunt weapons were used in combat and matter of fact the samurai's used them too
Someone with a shield like warlord would have a great chance, or if we go off of historically accurate Norse berserkers (with pre-battle rituals), the knights would meet their match. There's a reason the Byzantine emperors used the Varangian over their own knights
@hehe_boi9181 samurais armor was not good and shįtty also the blunt weapons of japan was shįtty and they lose
@@hehe_boi9181 meet the knight archers and crossbow men(crossbow's might have been on the late knight era)
Weebs: "Katanas can slice through armour like butter"
Reality: "Sir, butter doesn't slice through armour"
@Mark Spencer Amerila stfu
@Mark Spencer Amerila yeah but there are no guns here are there
@Mark Spencer Amerila no
@Mark Spencer Amerila no
@Mark Spencer Amerila no
Everyone Knows that to beat a fully armored knight clad in Steel you must make use of the righteous pommel to the head
Amen brother
Or shield to the head. Or take em to the ground and stick a dirk under the gorget.
Or, you know. Fart in the eye slit.
A kick in the nuts always works
@@juanmanuelhernandezvega3264 aye. classic.
Imagine being a samurai or whatever, hitting a guy in plate armor with your katana, then he just laughs at you as he caves your ribcage in with a mourning star
(edit: to those idiots arguing in the replies about things penetrating armor. it depends on the type of weapon and quality of the armor. an arrow specialized for piercing armor is going to go through your plate like a nail through wood.
not all arrows, bows, spears, etc. are the same so i don’t think it’s logical to group them all up)
The knight fight in sekiro
Well, in reality samurai dont actually use their katana in battles. They use spear, which is highly effective againist chainmail
@@Tekurin before that it'd be the longbow and believe you me, the Japanese longbows would have enough power to punch through that plate, and maybe even then some
@@Ginkami im not sure that samurai bows can pierce trough the every type of armor, but they could maybe, and also you're right, i forgot to mension the yumi, which is samurais primary weapon
@@Ginkami my boy you dont get it, a plate armor dont need to stop a arrow or a katana, they ned to absorb the hit so a deadly arrow shot whill be a pinch and not a punch, and the others layers will protect better. think about how much force a arrow need to have to punch trough a plate armor then the mail, then the cloth plating, then the shirt of the soldier. a arrow cant kill you, but it still like taking a punch in the ribs
They don’t realize that katanas are thin ass metal and even if they weren’t he’s wearing metal armor it’s not going to cut through.
Thin ass metal? Where are you getting that from?
@@IcchiNutz oh I’m not getting anything at all. And It certainly wouldn’t be a single edged weak jap sword designed for thrusting only because its slashing is inferior, Even more so when put up against knight armor.
@@IcchiNutzRemember that "folded 1000 times" method? Yeah, that metal is gonna be thin af
@@IcchiNutzif it wasn’t thin it wouldn’t cut lmao?
@@IcchiNutz
It's folded 10 times to make a 1000 layers, that sh*t be thin af.
Damn, that would still suck lol as much as I love katanas, this is the exact reason why war-hammers were made. Don’t have to kill the enemy if you can concuss them on the battle field.
Well not really XD the force itself is enough to kill ye so yeah
Haha neck go *SNAP*
Indeed, especially against plate armour they weree incredible, even if the opponent didn't break anything, the dent in the armour would make it extremely hard for the Knight to maneuver, this is because plate armour was specifically made to meet the requirements of one's size perfectly.
@@reposter6434 Not necessarily. A good dent won’t put a knight out of action; if that were the case, the armor would be terribly made. Armor was, y’know, made to withstand damage? That’s why it exists.
@@jimmytang8131 You can research it if you like, knight armour was made around a knights measurements, dents in the armour significantly reduced capabilities of movement, as the armour plates are in twined together, and i didnt say the armour didnt protect the knight, of course it did but that doesn't mean the knight is invincible😂 why do you think they came up with weapons that were blunt like warhammers? Also if the knights were rhat well protected how come English and French armies lost when using knights? Do your research on history, you'll learn a thing or two.
For the ones who say the armor is too heavy, search the armor backflip
Yeah plate armor was very good back in the day
Yep,it was VERY good,and the cons were very minimal to the pros.
Yeah the heavy armor myth is very popular unfortunately. Also the myth that European swords are less sharp and heavier is such nonsense. The katana is not even a nimble sword. The point of balance is usually high up the blade which makes it quite clumsy (it’s great sword for cutting). A longsword is usually more nimble (thinner blade, point of balance is closer to the hands) and quicker to redirect.
@@arminius504 i mean, lawbringers armor looks really heavy though
@@spider-mancantsee5875 it does look heavy but when you wear the armor it's not like wearing a back pack if you've put on shin guards or elbow pads so you don't scrape yourself they aren't very heavy just imagine that but it holds on even better and disperses weight so we'll that if your trained you can move like there was no armor at all
Imagine arguing about the historical accuracy of different armors because of For Honor of all games. Both these characters suits are amalgamations of armors developed a few hundred years apart and features that wouldn't have been practical.
Counter point: Tiandi has psychological warfare with their relentless screaming, therefore the knights would need to be deaf in order to win.
HOO YANG TIN DI, SHOU VA, VO COLSHO JOLELA, SHOU VA, VO COLSHO JOLELA, VO COLSHO JOLELA, HOO YANG TIN DI, SHOU VA, SHOU VA
Me, who understands close to nothing about medieval weaponry and armour, watching people argue in the comments:
*laughs in stupidity*
there is nothing realy to argue my man just telling people facts,dont laugh at education
Honestly you don’t have to be smart to tell if a katana can cut through armor. Answer: it cant. And it’s not just the katana that can’t cut through armor. It’s called armor for a reason it’s not like a video game where a sword can just cut through armor😂
Actually you are smart, for arguing unnecessary over medieval weapons without considering how those weapons were made and used is really dumb🤷♂️
It's simple, sharp sword don't cut solid metal
But a 75mm shell fired from a Panzer V would do the trick
“Laughs in superior armor”
*loads musket with malicious intent*
Well, there were realy thick armor that was used when guns and muskets were a thing.
It takes 1m to reload musket, so if you miss or his the chest, you're gonna be in big trouble
@@Kardiac77 that's why you don't shoot muskets alone.
@@deusexmachina5769 the musket:the weapon of choice for friends.
@@Kardiac77 Bring the bayonet
Thats why knight battles often finished in the mud by thrusting your dager inside the opponent’s helmet
Watches The King once
The armor knights used was so effective knights dropping their weapons and throwing gauntlets was more common then you’d think it was
Wouldn’t want the gauntlets for extra damage🤣🤣🤣
If you weren’t half swording trying to jab into armor gaps, you were throwing the other knight to the ground and driving your dagger into the neck/arm pits. A lot of wrestling involved. If anyone’s curious look up Dequitem and watch some videos.
If I were a knight against a high armored knight, I would just use my mother's frying pan against it.
I'm pretty sure there a historical record somewhere of a fully armoured knight getting beat to death by a rolling pin.
Haha there's one video about this 🤣
@@xLionsxxSmithyx what in the bullshit is this?
*Insert Berserk 2016 CLANG*
@@xLionsxxSmithyx
"What you think poof, it's a fuckin tool"
"It's not a tool it's a fookin rolling pin"
Change katana to a hammer gg knight
*Crushes the helmet and the head inside* "NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE"
Funny cause it was mostly knights that wielded hammers, not Viking :D
Funny thing, the knights are the ones using warhammers
More like good night lol
I like ya cut G
*BLAM*
Stop arguing you nerds and agree that both knights and samurais are equally cool
Oh no, someone with common sense, help !!!
Lol
There is nothing more satisfying than watching people argue about European and Japanese weapons and armors being better than the other. But, I will point out that the tachi (not a katana due to it's length) would probably break or chip on impact with the Warren's avantail, mostly due to the construction of the mail he is wearing which at the time was riveted mail, otherwise known as the strongest type of mail there is. The damage that the orichi will do at best is probably break the Warden's neck. But it will not cut through, it could bend the riveted rings tho. But it will never cut through.
yep that's what i surmised as well, from yours and other comments on this subject... nicely summed up!
@@Arty298Shorts thanks, I've been learning for a little over a year now, I'm no expert though, for a full analysis I would personally suggest videos on the topic made by Shadiversity, metatron, and skallagrim. They know way more than I do lol
You say that like “just breaking the neck” isn’t a fight ender
@@thedeusvultguy5346 thank you for your comment and I can see where your confusion comes from, but at no actual point was I not saying it wouldn't stop the fight whatsoever, i was just saying the maximum damage it would do to the Warden's neck, I was just pointing out that a tachi, katana, O-katana, ect. Can't cut through properly made mail or other types of armor.
@@clownman4211 Ah ok, I understand now. Thank you
This is why medieval armymen uses the other side of the sword to use as a hammer. They literally touch the blade, but they don't injure themselves lol
Yes there are two ways of Holding a sword like that. With the first one (which wasn't really common) you didnt even really grabed the sharp blade you placed the most of it around. (Idk how i can real explain this really well in englisch cause im from germany but skallgrim made a Video about this topic) the second way is something you saw very often. Through the Energie you use to hold the blade it doesn't move so it doesn't cut you just NEED to hold it really thight.
I love your pfp!
You can grab a sharp knife by the way. I use it as a party trick to freak people out. I'll smack the blade against my hand repeatedly and watch people freak. It's hilarious. For context, there's only 2 ways to cut something. 1. Cleaving through excessive force or 2. Cutting by pushing the blade along an object, aka, slicing. Knife don't cut if blade don't move.
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Shugo would have the best chance out of the samurai because blunt weapons are the best against plate armor
Do you know what Shugoki's concussion provider is called?
@@a-badie4617The weapon itself is called a kanabō, though Shugoki's is a decent bit _girthier_ than you'd want for practical use, and he'd be in a bad spot anyway considering he's like 40% completely unarmored
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrongnot only that he would definitely move slower than the knight
I think ‘For Honor: Reality is Often Disappointing’ is the real full title of the game.
The game is disappointing too
@@blankblank1257 in what way disappointing
@@thesovietdog1537 overdone. When it first came out and a little after was when I think it was at its peak, but that might be just me.
Meanwhile, shaolin parries jormungandr's hammer with his bracelet
@@thesovietdog1537 the game sucks
Samurai: I am the master of precision
*misses the slash*
Also Samurai: I am the master of getting the fuck out of here
Lol so true, but you are giving me mixed messages. Are you with the weebs or against them? Because your name says you’re a weeb but your comment says you aren’t.
@@lucaspoirier9407 it's simple I have no frikin clue
Call me someone with a split personality disorder
@@smuglookinganimegirl3558 Ok
@@lucaspoirier9407 you can joke about things you like dude.
@@lucaspoirier9407 aside from weebs being an insult turned staud used willingly, weebs hate weebs
Real life Knights were basically using Mini Power Armor. A Knigth in full armor was a 2 legged tank, absolutely scary considering Maces and Warhammer units were few, and all you had were spears and swords, that are bad counters to Knigth armor.
These motherfuckers would come in, sometimes in horses, kill all your buddies, and leave to repeat the same thing.
Yeah, piercing and slicing weapons aren’t supposed to get through steel plate armor, that’s the whole point of it. only like shugoki, conqueror, and maybe raider and gryphon have a chance at truly doing any damage to fully plated out characters like warden.
Conqueror doesn’t really have a chance because as much as I like playing him I have to admit that the flail kinda is a sucky weapon in really life. Yeah it can spin fast but then you gotta spin it up again for your next hit
"Ow, that really hurt"
"Say hello to my little friend *brings out the Mace* "
"BRO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS"
Yeah, Orochi magically whipping out the mace mhm.
@@Nyle1337 well, the japanese did have maces they used for more heavily armored opponents.
@@liambrasier6590 the big ass kanabo the shugoki uses
Maces weren't the end all be all, if they were you wouldnt see a knight or a soldier who could be expected to face one without one. Maces are good weapons but plate armor is designed not only to take blows but to deflect them. Plus, plate is rigid, which means its not gonna all transfer to the wearer even if its a perfect hit. A greatsword would probably be better than a mace as a bludgeon against a knight considering it's weight
Jormungandr out of nowhere: allow me to introduce myself
For anyone whining, a Katana can't really do shit to plate or Mail armour, since it was designed around protecting from blade damage
Even European swords would at most hurt a bit, you're better off with a bludgeon or Warhammer.
or striking with the guard
Smart boyo
@@schishne7546 *MURDER STROKE*
@@RobertDecker417 YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!
@@mrcheesetaters6880 i think you got me wrong here
Darkousl taught me that heavily armored enemies are weak against blunt type weapons
Just know, normally the human falls from exhaustion before the armor fails. So knights carried mercy daggers to slip through the gaps of the armor.
Lawbringer vs Orochi would just be plain unfair. Orochi's sword would just disintegrate into a blunt metal stick...
Orochi should just use a bow or a spear because that's what he does realistically
@@bananoid3726 and lawbringer would use a halberd wotch nullifies and of orochis armour
The curve of a katana gives it a natural cutting motion granting a weighty impact so realistically, if a katana was plunged into knight armor, it would hit like a hammer
@@hennesy7966 that shit would snap bro, feudal era katanas were made with garbage steel and european steel was vastly superior
@@meatmaestro281 superior or not, it mattered about the weight. I already explained the nature of the katana so I don’t think I need to explain that it would still dent the armor A LOT.
Ah yes *realism*, like this game even tries to go anywhere close to that...
Right?? Like how wardens sword would weigh like 25 pounds with how thick it is
Well if it went more realistic then lawbringer would basically be immortal as he has the best armor and weapon that most of the other characters would be unable to counter in any way
@@connorluff180 yeah pretty much, although he wouldn’t be able to fight in that armor for too long 🤷🏻♂️
@@Ben-cw2ey man's like a fucking 8 foot monster I bet he could manage it lol
@@Ben-cw2ey oh I think he can, since the weight is balanced on all his body, and sure he's trained to fight with that armour on
In reality, Lawbringer is on another level, he would be the Tank from l4d
The katana was made to cut through the light and hardened leather plates of samurai armor, not for thick metal armor used by knights. Hitting a knight with the katana would probably make it bend
I'll simplify it with 2 main points, for those who don't know the joke.
1. Pierce weapons are the best way of getting through or past armor. The Japanese sword is made almost purely for slashing, the least effective way to defeat armor.
2. European steel was way better.
A mace would work best. Or any strong blunt object. It cave in armour and sends shocks throughout out it breaking bone
@Chad Kroeger plate came with chainmail, pluz there were almost no weakpoints with mail. The entire point of plate and chainmail being combined was so weakpoints were covered.
To be fair, the quality of European steel and Japanese steel of the medieval period were quite similar. One can have less slag inclusions than the other, and vice versa.
Plus there wasn't any drastic difference in terms of how they smelted and forged metal, since they both contain common principles such as folding.
@@jonajo9757 yes the steel was basically the same is just comes down to technique
Now thinking of it, mind explaining why European steel was better. Pre-indistrial steel tends to be similar in quality.
I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen orochi get an execution
Considering that the majority of them light spam it's rare to see one execute lmao.
It's funny to see one rage after I decimate them with shugoki then finish it off with a hip thrust
I used to be an orochi lol couldn't enjoy it after a while cuz everyone would hard gank me before I could show that I wasn't a light spammer. Spammy trolls ruined him for me lol now I just goki them and sit on their heads 🤣🤣
Fun fact: The crossbow is the reason metal plate armor was phased out of use as it suddenly became more important to be mobile when a crossbow bolt is going through you, armor or no armor.
The samurai didn't actually have any weapons that were designed to take out plated armor, while a knight would have something like a mace or a war pick
Shugoki:
Yoooooo there are actually people in the comments who actually think a katana can cut through STEEL armour!
And that they think that katanas were light whereas plate male is heavy, yet plate male felt like nothing and katanas were heavy, only reason knights weren’t DECKED out in armour all the time is because it’d cost you your dog, a leg and the King at the time.
@@jack.A227 btw "plate mail" is a completely made up term from D&D. Mail doesn't mean armor it literally only refers to "chain mail" the proper term is plate armor. D&D gets so much stuff wrong it's crazy, like what the hell is splint mail or ring mail? Or how is studded leather armor going to protect you? Also plate armor was still weighty and it did increase exhaustion especially the helmets that would make it harder to breath
@@carrion-fairy that’s not what I’m talking about, tf is D&D? Dungeons and fucking dragons? I mispelled shit because my autocorrect was put to do “plate and chain mail” but I only realised now it didn’t do it the whole time. Also who tf played D&D it’s shit
@@jack.A227 lol
@@jack.A227 if i had to pick betwin FH or D&D i would go for D&D cus for honor balance is so out the window the game is not even fun enymore
No guys, you misunderstand...
The knight just forgot to put on his neck mail in the first clip.
A hit like that could still break his neck tho
@@chechakkimnorbirth3777 no I'm just saying that if he was wearing no chain mail on his neck and it was just bare skin then it would have cut through.
ruclips.net/video/qzTwBQniLSc/видео.html
Ah, that's explains everything.
We can all go home now
That's the reason maces exists, plus, if katanas were strong enough to penetrate steel they would've just used those instead of creating that club that shugoki uses.
Meanwhile, Shugokis chilling in the corner: Hug or Big Club?
Oh no😭
Orochi: "Sorry Master I must use
... THE FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE!" * flying at break neck speed *
Lawbringer: * grabs blade effortlessly * "Nice knife." * shatters blade *
Orochi: "Nani?!...h-how..."
Lawbringer: "Western European Armor, son. It defends in response to blade trama."
You can't hurt me, weeb !
@@lordscrubugus9897
* high five *
@@jadestep9624
"What did I just say ?"
**high five**
@@lordscrubugus9897
Edgy Katana Boi voice: "If Knight faction has gone to third place, then you're just another Tin can placing your flag on the volcano."
( I love metal gear and For Honor so I'm having too much fun with this right now! )
@@jadestep9624 Played college ball ya know
Lmao this comment section is an all out war, while the vikings just sit this one out
I believe the vikings are lost at sea
They're over there raiding a coastal village.
@@magosexploratoradeon6409 hey they can fight all they want while we get the juicy monasteries
@@sorensannikov9866 Get that cash money big man, get it.
they are honorably kolling disarmed lonks
To kill a knight using a katana, is basically impossible if you try to slice through their armor, but, they have a weakness that is the holes is their helmet, they could be easily blinded ( even killed ) if someone pierced through that, but slicing armor with katana is impossible. ( I think there are even drawings and scripts or even books that have records of knights piercing each other’s helmet)
Katana: Specialized weapon designed for mostly broad slashes and deflections , maybe stab but not practical. Defeated by even simple wooden armor
SUPERIOR EUROPEAN LONGSWORD: *LAUGHS IN MURDER STROKE*
Full plate armor is literally the reason why shields began to see a decline in their use in battle; because swords just can't break through those heavy plates. However, when armies began to use Maces, Warhammer, Pollaxe and other weapons that CAN penetrate armor, that's when the Kite Shield were used specifically.
I think you mean the heater shield, which was smaller and made of steel as well, kite shields were used more during the time of weaker chain armor, to protect against arrows
@@mr.tomatohead3709 not sure where i get this, properly from Shadiver but even with heated shield they still cant block those attacks, it just give the wielders chance to deflect it. The shield + the arm it is strapped to would immediately break when getting a direct hit from the heavy arms
The kite shield was a 900s-1200s shield, not after...
Sekiro was clear with the issue, no guy can defeat full plated armour with swords
In reality the gaps in the armour and the slow speed of full played armour knights won't make it that difficult
@@mrt445 Please educate yourself before making these kinds of statements. Unless you're a troll, then whatever.
@@vypersretreat7423 You're comment is clearly the troll comment because it doesn't disprove anything that I've said.
@@mrt445 I urge you to watch channels such as Shadiversity, or more specifically the video "Half swording" if you want to see a demonstration of movement and fighting against full plate. It's not as slow or easy as you say. Of course the man in armor is holding back a little for obvious reasons.
@mrt445 you think the knights did not think about the weak points? They wear chainmail padded with leather and cloth underneath.
If you aren’t Conquerer, Lawbringer, Jormungandr, Shugoki or Hitokiri, you can forget trying to kill any of the more heavily armoured knights (specifically Warden, Warmonger and Lawbringer since their armour is the best) because without a bludgeoning weapon, their armour will be practically impossible to get around and your weapons will be worthless
Honestly lawbringer you can forget killing all around. 7 ft 200 something pound beast of a man with full protection wielding a pole arm to keep distance. A heart attack from seeing that charge at you would kill you before you could strike him 😂
@@galaxvexxtheholywell, like I said, with the right weapon, you could possibly do some damage, but yeah, he’s a walking bastion, if you can’t close the distance he’s gonna hack you to pieces or turn you into a kebab, and even if you get close, you need a really heavy bludgeoning weapon to do any meaningful damage, and the time it would take to swing such a weapon would be more than enough for him to just shove you away
About the only way you could beat Lawbringer would be to willingly take a fatal hit
Lawbringer would be such an overwhelming force to the enemy because of his heavy plating he'd basically be a moving tank very slow but very powerful and the way he changes his poleaxes stance when he's guarding upwards and strikes down with the back side of his weapon is very interesting
There are quite the few people who could actually severely damage law’s armor in the for honor lineup
Emphasis on few
@@R3D-8503Jorm being the most prominent of them.
@@yourthoughtssuck shugoki, conq maybe, Highlander, raider, Hito, JJ, and mace lady
@@patientboat1979 Those would also damage the lawbringer.(especially shugoki)
@@patientboat1979 i would make a case for kensei his nodachi is probably heavy enough to do serious dmg
This is why bodkin arrows, Warhammers, maces, and halberds were made. Lmao. To kill a knight in full plate armor, you had to either Peirce the tin can or turn the bastard into soup.
You are cultured I respec
Do you know what the Shugoki weapon is called?
Being my main hero and with my basic understanding of realistic medieval combat, it's my understanding that Shugoki would have the best chance against any knight, even Lawbringer.
Id say he would even be able to take out 3-4 of them before taking too much damage
@@a-badie4617 The kanabo is basically a mace. So yes, it would be great for turning a knight into soup. However, it is a 15+ pound large metal stick. This makes it unreliable as a main weapon, which is why it was used as a secondary weapon. The Samurai who used them primarily employed them for forcibly dismounting other Samurai or smashing through one or two opponent's armor before switching back to a spear or naginata.
@TheAngryGnome it's actually made out of wood and they not metal but it does have the metal things in it
@@sixtentravis2976 They were made out of heavy wood or iron depending on the time period and craftsman.
This is why samurai also carried kanabo because simply bludgeoning an opponent is much more effective than a katana at times.
Turns out, beating the living shit out of your opponent? Pretty good strategy, actually.
@@brodrickirwin4362 Not necessarily. There were smaller scale versions that could be holstered on your back just in case
@@brodrickirwin4362 Yeah but some did genuinely carry a smaller version in case their sword was broke in battle or they ran out of arrows depending on what type of soldier they were, the weight may have made it effective but it still worked as a bludgeoning weapon on a smaller scale
@@brodrickirwin4362
No, there were smaller versions.
Pretty sure what made it effective was the fact that it's a blunt weapon with metal spikes.
@@Icarus_Qwq wouldn't most warriors just used a spear, the katana itself was a backup weapon.
You brought a katana when what you really needed was a Warhammer. Robert Baratheon knew this well in his younger days as a warrior.
People just forget that the samurai armor is more heavily then the Knight armor, and a katana against even poor plate armor would be useless
Knights were impossible to kill but they couldn’t do long treks, sustain themselves in dramatic weather, or commit to guerrilla warfare. The Turks fucked the crusaders up with hit and run tactics by killing horses and serfs, destroying resources, and ruining equipment.
In a duel where neither person can run, knights are gonna win. Samurai were cool asf, but armed with a katana, in a fair fight against a knight, he’s not winning.
There’s documentation on this one king who was killed by barbarians. In order to get him, they had to scare his horse away from his men. Then they had to drag his armored ass off his horse. Then someone managed to stab him with a dagger (which wasn’t fatal), so eventually they turned him around. The barbarians couldn’t strip off his helmet, so they had to take a mace and beat his head in through the plate that way. All that for one dude. I’m not sure how much of a fight he could put up while getting jumped with 30% vision, but the armor made him a tough ass motherfucker.
no type of sword would cut such armor, so we have hammers and maces
You know samurai used more than katanas right?
Oh and tin cans would get shit on by vikings
@@archvilehellborne2260 i'm not saying just katana wouldn't cut through the heavy steel armor or any metal type armor, most of the sword wouldn't cut throught armor, that's why hammers and maces was used
@@archvilehellborne2260 How? The knights in-game have superior armor and weapons. Hell, half the vikings don't even wear any armor aside from a helmet (which some don't even have to begin with anyways) or fur rags. One stray arrow or a slice to the midsection, and they're dead.
Mechanics =/= Reality. Their weapons wouldn't do much to plate armor. Only Jormungandr's hammer and Raider's axe would have a chance. But even then, they don't have any armor so they'd be easy targets.
@@hewhoplugwalks Vikings did not just have "fur rags" for armor. They had gambeson and chainmail, which was about the best armor you could get during the 900's. Now, the knights in the game would absolutely fuck them up as their arms and armor is far superior, but vikings were not a bunch of savages in fur coming to England to kill some Anglo Saxons. They were a bunch of savages in actual armor coming to England to kill some Anglo Saxons
Everyone in the comments are experts on medieval warfare do y’all also Larp at ur nearest park
You disrespect the law...you disrespect me...
@@Joel2.24 ahh, so he's right?
Brigands I can handle, but this talk of larping? World's gone mad, I say.
You can know history and not larp
@@Joel2.24 You've committed crimes against Skyrim and it's people. What say ye in your defense?
I mean, I'm a weeb myself, but looking at how the warden basically has chainmail throughout the entire body, I already know an Orochi irl has no chance.
A kensei using a Nodachi, m a y b e.
But an Orochi using a plain old Katana? Nah.
Honestly idc about Japanese weaponry but if I had to I would much rather use a nodachi than a katana. Same style but actually worth using
Sekiro shows this perfectly with Roberts Dad we can't hurt him at all with our little Katana against his Armor so our only choice is to go on defense and try to push him off the bridge
I just imagine a loud *ding* noise when the sword hits the helmet.
Akira meme intenfies
Highlanders: *laugh in claymore until getting gunned down in the battle of Culloden*
Friendly reminder that theres historical records of English knights that fought until everyone was literally exhausted and just went home without anyone being killed.
Realistically they’d be wrestling with swords because full plate is a bitch to break through without a blunt weapon.
Katana. Cut bamboo
Plate armor= not bamboo
Sorry weebs.
( HOLY- i come back after getting this reccomend to me and my dumb comment has 1.2k likes!? And a mini war in the comments!? Hahaha)
Sorry tin can 7 foot 5 viking on drug mushrooms 🍄with an axe bigger than a car wins
@City Watch Guard any good strike with any decent axe would "cut through" chainmail, because it's not that solid. You'll get a deep cut on your flesh and your bones will brake, and some of the chainmail pieces will fall off. It's not solid like a plate.
Weebs? What makes you think someone would be a weeb passing for honor
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 no it’s very solid, it’s realistically just as strong as plate, the difference is that arrows very easily get past it due to it being linked bits of metal, not one solid strip. Most axes have difficulty breaking through chainmail, it’s even hard for a polearm to do it, as I’ve recently learned
Chain mail
Well it’s a good thing Orochi already did samurai in reality a disservice by charging into battle with just a katana.
Well a knight would have had more than a sword as well
@@arminius504 But how does that mean anything to what I said
@KGB - Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti I’ve never seen one where they’re charging in with just a arming sword. Just really longswords. Which was actually a main battlefield weapon.
@KGB - Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti Note: you CAN. That’s what happens when you allow people to do what they want. Players are allowed to use whatever they want. In real life, you can just go with a arming sword. But it’s not effective.
@@kaijuslayer3334 no, swords are secondaries, knights use poleaxes, halberds, maces etc
To be fair, that’s still a decent sized piece of metal, and with that momentum at that angle, the sword could very easily break your neck. Remember, warden’s only got chain mail there.
The "only" rings are designed to spread the impact of the cut. And under it is underarmor. To spread the kinetic energy...
The impact in theory could break a neck.
But you risk to destroy your katana too.
Shigoki the only one capable of killing knights reliably
Hitokiri (axes), Kensei (nodachi), Nobushi (spear), Shinobi (kama), and Orochi (with a bow and knife) all have tools that could kill a knight
Lmfaoooo. George of the jungle knights. New segment? It’s possible
Knights: my armor, unpenetrable. My physique, at its peak. My sword, sharper than a dragons tongue
A very inbred surf: Haha crossbow go twang
Proceeds to die from an arrow to the eye loosing the throne of England.
"is this thine coping I hear you lepper dog?"
Until they desinged plate that can take a crossbow hit.
Nothing gets through 2mm of hardened steel even early guns didnt do more than scatch that
@@nebei3740kid named very large metal club:
@@gaminginthelincolnyearsAh, yes, heavy stick hit very hard. The most ancient form of weapon that has ever existed in all of humanity's history
@@theultimatefusion7265 An ancient weapon from a more (un)civilized age
in reality, people like lawdaddy, and centurion would be nearly impossible to take down
Cents arms are exposed tho and his sword is short
The gap between the helmet and suit 👁👄👁
Yeah I know the katana wouldn't work but I mean come on. It's cool.
for sure Katanas are cool af!
@@Arty298Shorts the look? Yea. But they were heavy, weak, dull blades.
@@jack.A227 Dull????????????????
@@leandromorales3658 yep they are
@@jack.A227 they were everything from heavy dull and brittle to light sharp and flexible it's a sword that's all it was they dont have special properties they just were a sword type,
Average medieval Japanese era fan
Average medieval European enjoyer
To be fair, to behead warden like that, it would go under the helmet, and onto the more exposed chain Mail area, which could also be further weakened if there is a seam there. I'm not an expert, by any means, I'm probably just talking out of my arse, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here
What I don't think people realize is that Japanese armor was also made mostly out of metal, so European plate armor and Japanese armor was pretty damn similar in effectiveness, and also while this video is true, Japanese swords would not be able to cut through that, European weapons would not be able to cut through Japanese armor either, being made of metal and all. And also Japanese swords were not "brittle" as some people are describing, but the katana or "uchi-gatana" would mainly be a sidearm the nodachi, tachi etc would be main weapons which would be a lot sturdier and effective. Neither would be "brittle" and that blow would still be devastating, likely breaking his neck or some shit
It's a fact that, in the past, japanese swords often used to slice unarmored people (rebelling peasants) and stab through gaps between the armor plates when fighting with another samurai/ronin.
It's also a fact that japanese swords rarely used on open field. Thay have a halberd called naginata and bow for open field warfare. 😁
Pardon my english.
I mean swords (japanese and european) were never realy used in wars. They need a lot of training, you can't use them in formation and they only realy work in a 1 on 1 fight or from a horse.
@@deusexmachina5769 absolutely. 9 times out of 10 they were pretty much basic infantry arms and that's it. Nothing special and less effective than something built for a specific purpose
@@deusexmachina5769 yeah if a katana was carried at all it served as a sidearm
@@deusexmachina5769 swords were more of a side arm than a main weapon.
In battlefields, pikes (super long spears) were present, large amount of yari (decently long ranged spears) battalions, and some katana groups. And not all lords can purchase full-plated armors for all troops, thus, most wore mails and budget front chest armors only.
This also can be applied to Europeans, most troops wear mails (with leather padding underneath) because full-plated armors are super expensive. Which is why Conqueror is the most accurate and realistic European soldier.
Katanas were brittle. That's why when you strike, you have to hit the weak points. Cause anywhere else, with several hits that thing would break faster than my heart on Valentines.
Edit:
Aaaaaand I started a flame war... Great...
@Leon Russell
I might have used the wrong word, sorry.
I feel like it's the best way to describe it.
Cause they crack sometimes when you hit it against something too hard.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, either way.
Have a wonderful day... Or evening.
@Leon Russell in a fight against a knight kor anyone who us wearing a decent armor you may aswell drop the katana and pick up a rope, the katana has like 0 weight behind it compared to other medieval swords and would break easily in a sword fight
Big feels
@@jamjambo351 That is the most innacurate thing regarding Katana's I have ever read in my life, Katana's were not brittle, they were heavy, much heavier than you think, and they are statistically speaking, the best sword to come out of medieval times, they were better at cutting than the european longsword, and had a side specifically designed for parrying the strikes of other bladed weapons.
Literally the only thing the medieval knight sword had over a traditional japanese katana was better thrusting capabilities
@@kritikill7779 as a person who owns such swords katanas are light as fuck so much so I can use two of them in the same way as aramusha does the only heavy katana would be that nodachi that sword is impossible to wield in a athletic way
Yeah that’s what chainmail is for it’s built to stop slicing but is weak against stabbing also I wish there was a hero that was set in the era of which large armor still was used and muskets had been invented
Don’t get me wrong katanas were incredible sharp and able to cut through a lot of things, but the armor that is specifically designed to stop cuts and was really, really good at it, so no, i don’t see that happening
Don't forget that this game has magic techniques and emotes so just assume all characters are gods and can slice through anything
"See that there is metal. Doesn't cut easy"
Knight armor is the reason people started developing high powered projectile weapons. It caused the creation of the crossbow, which as designed almost in whole to punch through a heavily armoured foe. Also apparently the visored barbuta never existed outside of the 1800s. Apparently it was invented by a guy who stuck the visor of a broken Italian or French or something helmet to a spare barbuta and people went for it. At least that's what I found when researching it
If you’ve ever watched those videos where they actually fight in full armor you’d understand just how real this is lol
No sword, western or eastern can cut through plate armor. If you want to fight a heavily armored appointment in the late medieval period you better have some sort of war hammer or another blunt metal weapon.
What? Knight armor isn’t superior? It has much, much more disadvantages than the Japanese samurai armor, and even then, the Katana is still a much more sharp and flawless weapon built for combat, that even the a knight has to be afraid of it.
For legal reasons this is a joke.
I was about to say something really harsh😃
you got us in the first half not gonna lie
@@avocadosaregud6508 sure did
Wow I was about to hit you with like 50 Links
Saw a video the other day saying katana can cut through steel like butter because of the folding technique something so insignificant has never made me so angry
When fighting a knight, combat would often devolve into wrestling so you could wedge a blade through plates
The fukin bass on that first execution was enough to kill me
Anyone who has RUclipsd modern knight fights can testify to the accuracy of this.
Hell, it wouldn't even hurt considering the SLAMMING I've seen. The sheer beatdowns you'd think it was murder
Yep people act like a mace instantly trumps armour, watch the episode of knight fight with maces
Ok a katana probably will not cut their neck because the chain armor, but a strong hit directly on neck will be able to break them
A katana would turn to dust the moment it touched the neck chainmail, it was made with such low quality steel that it wouldn't be able to have concussive effects
@@drinkyourwater1039 plus katanas are much more brittle
Finally, something that shows the superiority of medieval armor
expectation: katana cut through armor
reality: armor cut through katana
If that happened to you though it would break your neck. Only mail covering the neck so transfer if force would take anyone out
@@IcchiNutz they wear padding underneath to even further lessen the impact so a broken neck is possible but it would most likely just leave some nasty bruises
@@IcchiNutzit wouldn’t knock them out because the force of the impact would be centered at the side of there neck where there isn’t really a vital body part or anything like that because it wouldn’t hit the neck bone or the wind pipe.