Fence Post Foam FAILURE & BIG Winner. Crazy Results!!! FAST 2K vs SIKA
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FAST 2K vs Sika composite foam test! Concrete alternatives for post-installation have advanced far in the last few years in the form of foam. Fence post or building post, one foam product, in my opinion, should not be on the market. Watch and see as we put these composite foam products to the test. This is not a sponsored video, and we bought all the products in this video. I am sure one manufacturer is definitely not going to sponsor us after this video.
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I would not have ever known the difference in those two products. Thank you for a fair comparison.
Thank you. I wanted to be as fair as I could be. Now I really believe SIKA shouldn't be on the market.
Great comparison, I would say you were more than fair with your tests. As fence posts need replaced I know what I will use.
Good luck with the project.
Thank you for your comment. Sika has caused us a lot of extra work. I hope this helps many people with their choice. We are a bit frustrated with SIKA.
Fast 2K should sponsor you . Awesome video ! Wouldn’t even think of using that brand after watching. Thanks
I didn't do it to be sponsored, I am a bit bitter with SIKA. I don't think SIKA should be on the market. If you read the comments, you will see, I am not the only person bitter with SIKA. Fast2K has recognized our video. They invited us to go to a trade show with them in two weeks. That was cool.
Great Video Tony!! I've got some fun building projects coming up too!
I am trying to make all the mistakes, so you do not have to! 😁
Excellent, I have heard so many conflicting reports on foam, now I see why! Thanks for figuring this out and clarifying it!
Thank you. SIKA doesn't even to its primary job! Fence Post.
Hopefully SIKA products will come back to you on this, if not then all I can say is your going to save everyone else an awful lot of time and money. Great video 👍
I have not heard anything from SIKA. If I did something wrong, I would show it. I followed the directions to the letter. I don't see much I could change.
Made a believer outta me Tony. Your test was completely honest. Thanks for the review buddy.
I am frustrated with SIKA, but I still wanted to be fair. I appreciate your support as always.
Great demonstration of the products Tony. Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
I am a bit down on the Sika. I have to reset the post poured with SIKA. I appreciate you watching.
thank you sir, you employed precious time and resources to teach us in fair and applied manner. good luck to you and to your family, and merry Christmas and happy holidays.
Merry Christmas to you as well. SIKA has caused me a good bit of work. I hope this shines the proper light on SIKA. Fast 2K works, and is much better for the environment over concrete. I hope this helps others.
WOW!! Thank You Sir for putting forth the expense and effort to make us all aware of which product to stay away from.
I am a bit frustrated with Sika. 😳
@@TonysTractorAdventure the good thing is yoy can return to the store and get a credit
Well Tony, Seka ain't gonna send you any products to do a comparison on ! LOL
BUT !..... FAST 2 K may send you some to redo the pole shed !!!
They got a great commercial for it !!! Good stuff!
SIKA has caused me a good bit of work. I am not sure it should even be on the market. I am a bit frustrated with the product, but I was as fair as I could be. Now to figure out how to fix the sawmill building. I may have to saw the Sika off and start over.
@@TonysTractorAdventure well at least,... you know you can pull the posts out easy!!!!
Still sucks tho, but it'll be solid for sure ! Better finding out now rather than when the rafters are on !!!!!
@@TonysTractorAdventure on a side note, wanted to ask some questions bout your TYM, I'm in the market, maybe if you have an e mail address, just wanted to get some truthful answers. I respect your comments and honesty. Thanks
I ordered a bunch of fast2k from an online vendor for a fence. They sent me sika in error. I watched this video and so I poured a test post. I had the exact same problem as you. 48 hrs later and the post was loose. I almost wasted a week of my labor and hundreds of dollars in posts. Thank you for making this video.
Thank you for confirming my test.
Thank you Tony for taking the time (and money) to do a fair comparison. I used some foam serveral years ago for garden fencing and I believe it was the Sika brand. Was not impressed as the post do have some deflection in them. Often thought I should have used concrete. Now it seems I was just using the wrong product. Thanks again.
I have yet to find someone who has had good results with SIKA. It sure caused me a lot of extra work. If it was easy, anyone could do it.
@@TonysTractorAdventure i like the the tractor tread it will grip the hole much better ☺
That was a great video of showing the difference between the two products. I'm sorry about the sawmill cover and good luck on fixing it. Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Sika sure made a lot of extra work for Tanja and me. I am a bit frustrated, but if it was easy, anyone could do it. I hope this helps other people from making the mistake I made.
Good test, let’s pray for the sawmill post 😀
I have to figure out something. SIKA has caused me a lot of work. It is of no use even on fences. A bit frustrated. Well if it was easy, anyone could do it.
That's a good demonstration
Thank You, Andy. I appreciate your post.
Wow! I picked up the Sika brand at Home Depot several years ago for a flagpole and noticed exactly the same. In fact, I had to pull it up and use Sakcrete to put it back in the ground. Within a few days the pole was leaning and the field mice began eating the foam. If you are doing a bunch of these posts, the utility companies buy it in drums. You can use a gun to squirt it in similar to spray foamers.
SIKA let me down for sure. The Fast2K is hard as a rock after it sets up. Our barn has went through some very high winds. (very high) and it never moved with Fast2K
Can you refer me to the tools do use for injection. Thanks
Very informative and comprehensive video. Thank you for yours time !
Thanks Tony. You could have just saved a lot of people a lot of time and money!
Mike, I truly hope we have helped people. SIKA has caused me a lot of work. Thank you for the support
Great video, Awesome demonstration
Thank you.
After watching your initial Fast 2K video on the pole barn post, I made the same decision at Lowes, no Fast 2K, bought the Seca. Used it on a flag pole and was disappointed due to the shrinkage. Will be redoing that project with the correct product. Thanks for very good comparison of the two products! Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas. Sika caused a bit of extra work for us both.
Seems like sika making too much gas. Same volume of material, twice the volume of product. Breakout test was impressive. If you don't post again soon I hope you all have a peacefull Christmas and a great holiday.
SIKA seems to be like me after a chili dinner. All gassed up. I hope this helps other not make my mistake. Merry Christmas to you, my friend. God is good.
Wow, I'm definitely impressed Tony!
Sika, if you're seeing this, you better improve your formula of you're gonna lose a lot of customers. Look at the bright side, you might be able to use the Sika as foam insulation...lol. It might work for that. Here's what I'm interested in....if you still haven't pulled up the Fast 2K post....how far into the soil did it permeate. I bet it's completely adhered about a foot or more into the surrounding soil. Definitely the superior product! Thanks for sharing Tony! 👍
I would like to see an Xray from the side to see how the Fast 2K permeates the soil. I can see it in my head, but a picture would be better. Sika, has made a good bit of extra work for me at the sawmill building.
like the test. did not know they was making a foam product for post in the ground. be bless and safe 2022 year.
Thank you. It is some good stuff. FAST2K has been rated for structural loads.
Great comparison video, sorry to see that you have a lot of work to go back over and do.
I have learned my lesson. Thank you.
I forgot to wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year! Thanks for your videos. I do appreciate them.
Merry Christmas, my friend. I wish you and your family the best.
I had the same experience with Sika. I did 25 4x4 fence posts in late spring. 1/3 are solid, 1/3 barely acceptable for a 60" post buried 30", the remainder had to be pulled out and concreted. The garden fence posts had to be redone after 2 months because they loosened up. Awful product. The inconsistency of expansion bag to bag drove me crazy and made for a lot of dome trimming
I understand!
Thanks for expending the time & money to test these products for the benefit of your subscribers, so that they don't have to expend their time & money on an inferior product & then have to do it all over again after spending twice the time & money to remove the failed product.
I am a bit frustrated with the extra work SIKA has created for me. I have not had figured out how to fix it without pulling everything down and starting over. Frustrated! I hope this does help others. I feel vindicated after my test. SIKA is a bad product.
@@TonysTractorAdventure you're obviously a talented, hard working guy with goals. I built my L-ranch in 1972; 50' × 82' outside dimensions, 8 room, 4 bedroom, 2 full bathroom with 2 car garage on 2 1/4 acres, in the rural farmland of Western Mass. It was the greatest accomplishment in my 23 years at the time. 72, 12' sheets of 5/8" firegrade sheetrock with an 8' stepladder, a 4' stepladder & two 2×4 fabricated T supports. I only broke 2 over my head, only to give it all away to my X-wife & 3 children 25 years later. Now, at almost 72 & retired at 70, I will be a renter the rest of my existence. That's why I can appreciate & respect people like you who are driven to excel.
I genuinely appreciate your comments. Thank you.
Great video. You promised to show the good and the bad. You and your family have a Merry Christmas. Thank you for sharing.
Merry Christmas to you and your family too. Now to figure out how to fix my sawmill shed.
Got it! Fast 2K for my future deck.
Cool video Tony. Now I know how much my tractor weighs. Mine is basically the same as yours. Mines a 494. Yours is a 474.
Your tractor is a bit bigger than mine. It is the next frame size up. The T494 shares the same frame as the T574. I love the T474, but your extra loader lift would be nice around here.
Nice video Tony. First time I have seen or heard of those products. Merry Christmas to you, your family and Gizmo. ( I think that’s your dogs name..). Lol
I am very pleased with FAST 2K. It works just as advertised. Sika, on the other hand, has caused me a lot of extra work. MERRY CHRISTMAS! Thank you.
If you need to get the other post out of the ground, try using the 3 pt hitch. It usually can lift a bit more
I didn't do a good job with the video, but the chain was digging in on the back. It was going to crush the 4x4 in half. My wife wants to put a bird house on it. It should be a safe bird house.
@@TonysTractorAdventure acetone can break it down. If still curing. But not when cure. It needs alot of air to break it down when solid.
will the fast 2k also keep post from rotting be low ground it so i will use it for my sawmill shed. thanks for video take care, be safe and well. have a merry christmas and happy new year.
Yes it will.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Dam good test! I could find uses for these products in life CUSTOM CAR RAMPS ! steps. Not sure on the chemicals in the ground but to each there own.
Fast2K was run through the wringer during testing. Once it cures, it becomes completely inert-no leaching into the ground. If done right, it keeps the chemicals in the treated wood from leaching out. I can not find anything to fault with FAST2K. I appreciate you watching this. Happy New Year
You should check out secure set
I have never tried it, but it seems to only come in bulk. I like the idea of the single serve for home owners and small jobs. Fast 2K comes in bulk also, but I have never mixed or used it to this point. I am pretty set on Fast 2K now.
@@TonysTractorAdventure makes sense. Where do you get the fast2k in bulk?
I was thinking about using secure set for around 40 posts for a fence.
The Fast 2K website shows Lowes and most other major building supply companies. I would guess you have to order it in bulk. That is just my guess.
We had the EXACT same problem with sika. it sat up great, but then after it sit for a day or so, it seemed to shrink back down. I mean, if someone is putting in a small fence, or something not weight baring, I wouldn't push them away from it.
I don't think I could recommend it for anything. I am a bit frustrated with SIKA. 😜
Great heads up !
Thanks for watching!
Can you please show me your 474/ third function installation I have a 474 and I want to get that third function for mine thank you Tony
Look on my channel. There is a complete video on the factory install of my T25. It is just like it on the T474. I did both and it takes 30 min. Order the OEM dealer kit. It is much better than the aftermarket kit. Plug and play.
WOW So Impressed with your video I subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
Hell I'm more impressed that the boards didn't break when you drove over them.
That was Oak cut on our sawmill.
That's some pretty good wood. The foam was impressive as well. I had never heard of the foam stuff before.
I found foam as an alternative to concrete. Current treated wood will rot off in 5 years, but Fast2K keeps the post waterproof. If a person takes care of the upper post, it should last a life time.
Thanks for this video. For me it was just a bit too late. I’ve used Sika products a handful of times with good results. Early last month I used it on 16 posts, 128 feet of fence. Got a call from the customer Friday, went and inspected today, 14 of 16 are loose! Appears as the foam has shrunk as you noted in the video. Needless to say I’m not happy and neither is my customer. Reached out to Sika, will see if they back their product…
I put Fast2K down around the SIKA on my sawmill building. All good! It may be a good solution for you. I have a video coming out in a few days.
@@TonysTractorAdventure Great, will definitely take a look at it. Not satisfied with “fix” proposed by Sika rep I spoke to.
Sika, if you are listening....this is your wake up call....but i wonder if you poured the Sika into the ground and then put dirt over the top of it to force the foam sideways into the walls of the hole...i have heard this on another foam post material and the downward pressure forces the expansion sideways instead of upwards...now the question is, how much dirt do you put on it and do you want dirt on the top 6 inches of all your posts????...Great job Tony and a very fair test
The dirt would just fall to the bottom. I followed the instructions. I don't think Sika is ready for market. Thank you for your comment.
Thank You for this video Hard to believe the difference.
Thank you.
Really good evaluation..great job
Thank you. I tried to be fair. 👍
Great info. Thanks for posting your experience with these products. I must admit that I’m jealous. My little farm sits on crazy rocky ground. Setting posts requires an industrial rock breaker to get into the limestone.
John, I understand. I have live all over the world, and I love our dirt!
Great video. Glad it popped up on my feed.
It sounds like you understand more than others. So many people have come to help. Still, it will be years. GOD BLESS my friend.
Would also try adding rebar that hooks on to the soil
Great presentation! Very thoughtfully done. My plan is to hire out building pole barn. If Fast2k is used, how soon can girts be installed? For a 6x6 post set 36" in ground, how many bags needed?
Once Fast 2k is in the ground, you can start building on it in 30 minutes. Fast 2k has a calculator on their website to help you out with how many bags you'll need. I recommend getting extra because they run on the lean side.
You sold me. Great test.
Fast 2K sold me too! I am not sure SIKA foam should be on the market.
KILLER VIDEO NEVER EVEN NEW OF A PRODUCT LIKE THIS 👍 👌 👍👍👍👍
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Thank you Brad, I appreciate your comment. Tony
Wow! Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
I've used Sika products for decades in dam repair with exceptional results. The expanding foam will collapse if not mixed with proper proportions, generally too much of the part b. You may have got a kit that was improperly proportioned. My electric utility uses Sika with great results in setting power poles
I don't think this was the case. I had the same results with SIKA foam on six different posts put down at different times bought in different locations. I have received numerous complaints from other viewers having the same poor results from SIKA. You are the first person out of 300,000 views on Facebook and RUclips to speak well about SIKA foam.
Is the video cutoff? It just ends when you start using the post hole digger with the buckets in the foreground.
Just for the fun of it, you should have tried pulling the Seka post by hand first. That is a big difference in product. Are you gona save the 4x4 you tossed in the burn pile? Thanks Tony. Have a Merry Christmas :)
Gene, I am not sure the post is worth the time it will take to get that stuff off. I might try to reuse it. I was kind of disgusted at the moment. I have to figure a fix for the sawmill barn. Sika, should not be on the market.
@@TonysTractorAdventure That definitely is a problem. Might need to redo them.
I hand packed my posts with a square pole and a Deadman brace. Took forever, 0 issues, $2.30 for the treated 2*4. I think I'll do it the right way, or pay someone to do it the right way.
It was not necessary for this test.
Good info. Thanks for sharing Tony.
I hope this all works out. I think I have a fix for the sawmill building post.
I used the sika for my fence posts last spring on my goat pen... I am now in process of redoing every post... goats pushed out posts , will never use sika again
Sorry, brother. I understand your frustration.
Great review
Thanks
My pleasure
Thank you for the comparison . What is the advantage of foam over concrete other then the weight and ease of handling?
There are so many benefits. Concrete is messy and heavy to work with. Concrete cleanup after mixing is a pain. Concrete keeps wood moist and causes it to rot. Treat lumber of today will not hold up against concrete. Fast 2K makes the post waterproof. If done correctly with Fast2k, a post should last a lifetime. Check out the video where I put the post in the ground for the pole barn. Good information in that video.
Sorry if it was covered and I missed it. Encasing fenceposts in the ground with say concrete makes them rot out really fast because it makes a bowl for water to collect in the bottom. How well does this product do to protect from rot due to holding or wicking in moisture? I always just use tamped soil, and shhhh, a little used motor oil on the post, they last forever and don't rot or get eaten by termites.
Fast 2K encapsulates the post completely making it is water proof. In proper application, you coat the post a little above the ground. I have done a good deal of research on this now. Fast 2K is like the stuff the electric company uses to put down utility post over the last 25 years. It is well proven, and I will not stray from Fast 2K again.
@@TonysTractorAdventureGreat job on the comparison, looks like some really great stuff, I have a few projects that this would help with! The trick with wood is the moisture can intrude through the wood itself, the post will also contract a lot in really dry climates creating a gap (think wooden maul handles needing a soaking to tighten the grip on the axe head). That foam stuff looks like it would prevent any water like that from accumulating, in comparison to concrete which holds the water indefinitely.
I'd love to see a comparison between the foams and sakcrete fast set post concrete
I have one planned, but I have to wait for warmer weather. I can do the Fast2K now, but not the concrete.
good information to know
could you test fast 2k aginst concrete
Great suggestion!
Great job, never used foam before but I now know what NOT to use.
I appreciate your comment. Happy New Year
Thanks for the comparison.
I am a bit frustrated with Sika. Thank you for your comment.
@@TonysTractorAdventure was going to settle for Sika since the Fast 2K back fill was on back order at Lowe’s, but reconsidered after seeing this. I’ll wait until it’s restocked. Appreciated.
Does this mean you have to reset the posts that use sika? If so, what a pain.
Chris, I think I need to fix the post I set with SIKA. A wind could lift the roof and the post out the ground with ease. There is nothing holding. It is a bit frustrating.
great video thanks for sharing Tony, what is the difference in price on the two products?
The irony is, SIKA cost more than Fast 2K. Now, to figure out what to do with the sawmill barn?
@@TonysTractorAdventure I think once you get that Barn framed out those loose posts won't be going anywhere. but if it was me I would at least make sure the corner post are nice and solid
Sika brand appears to be open cell I don't know for sure the other appears to be closed sale just by observing your video
I think you are correct. There is no doubt that I will never buy SIKA again.
Would it be beneficial to put a bag of product in the hole first before adding the pole to keep the pole from wicking water up in it from the ground?
Not necessary. It pushes under the posts. I have dug up several posts.
Good test. Fast2k is way mo’ betta
Mo' betta for sure!
Great video. Very informative
Mike, Thank you for your comment. I hope it helps people make informed decisions.
Unreal well I guess ya get what ya pay for and I’m assuming that it is cheaper then the other one is not by much but cheaper I’ll bet
Gary, SIKA cost one dollar more than Fast 2K. I assumed Sika would be as good or better. I have used SIKA concrete for years. I think Sika foam should be removed from the market. I am a bit frustrated with the extra work caused. Well if it was easy, anyone could do it.
@@TonysTractorAdventure well your doing a great job I use to work construction for 10 years and then a saw an older man and said I don’t want to be in that shape when I get his age lol so I drove 18 wheeler for 10 years and now I drive a wheelchair lol for the past 20 years I lost my leg because of medical problems so I enjoy when I watch ur channel it takes me back when I could do all that stuff but ya it is a hard job and I know u have back problems so just don’t over due it that is my advice to ya take care 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Will this product stand up to hurricane force winds? Like a cat 3 or 4? Ida took out my fence and i have to replace it and i cant afford help so looking for something lighter than cement.
I would say, nothing can hold up to a hurricane. The weak point will not be Fast2K, but the posts themselves. Wood post will break off and metal post will bend. I think Fast2K would be better than concrete. Concrete rust metal posts and rots wood posts. The less rot and rust, the longer they last.
@@TonysTractorAdventure yea the rot at the cement line is what helped bring it down. When i replace the fence i want to add something under the wood. Will it form up like cement in that scenario? Not sure if you tried it like that or not.
I will stick with concrete. I Helped build a pole barn over 40 years ago. The crew boss had us drill the holes an extra 6" and fill with gravel for the post to sit on, added an couple of inches of gravel then filled and tamped with dry sackcrete until it mounded slightly above the ground. The idea was for the gravel to act as a drain for any water that got in next to the post so it could dry back out and not be trapped next to the wood. That barn is as solid as the day it was finished. The Foam products seem like they save time and labor, but I am not convinced of the longevity.
I understand. You would be wrong today. Your poles of 40 years ago had treatment before the EPA got involved. New treated post will last about 5 to 7 years in concrete. This is partly due to the weaker treatment (Thank you EPA), and the fact you will not find old growth post. The utility companies have been using foam for utility post over 25 years. Proper foam has been tested and proven. The big benefit now, is FAST2K makes the post Waterproof. All current studies indicate, my barn will be here long after I am gone while post in concrete will fail in 10 years.
How many bags per hole and how deep were your holes
Do you think you can get by with dirt for part of the hole and Fast 2k the rest
I put 3 bags per hole. It is important to pour the Fast2K around the post top right above the ground line and let it drip down into the hole from there. Most pole rot happens at about 6 inches below the soil line. Coating the post makes it water proof. It was 3ft deep.
They both are great product for when it meets its needs. Thanks for comparing both. Can you place those in a ant farm see what foam falls apart the fastest.
great stuffff, again,, thank you
Thank you.
Great test, Sika 0, Fast 2K 6
Sika has caused me a lot of work. I don't think it should be on the market. Their concrete works well, but their foam is bad. Thank you for the comment.
Seems like youd be sitting there with a level for a long time waiting on that foam to harden up.
Do you walk away from a post when using concrete? A person could build a system to hold a post level just like concrete. If I had a lot of posts to do, I would rig up something.
Sounds like they put too much co2 or whatever the chemical reaction is, too many air holes decreases it’s stability!
I guess. The chemical makeup is a little over my head. I just know one works, and the other doesn't.
@@TonysTractorAdventure I am just guessing….but agree on the outcome! Lol
I wonder if the Sika would float in water .
I would guess SIKA would float for a bit. I think it is open cell foam, so I think it would fill with water. Fast2K should float forever.
Love the video but didn't see the post being pulled
Watch the video. I show pulling both post. The second post, just pull out with out any resistance. It was very anti-climatic.
I apologize. For some reason, RUclips glitch my video. I will have to re load it.
@@TonysTractorAdventure happens To me sometimes as well
Will either product wick water?
Fast 2K is completely waterproof and bonds to the wood. It also bonds to your shoe permanently if you get it on them. I have studied this stuff now, and Fast2K is the real deal.
Sika is not waterproof
How expensive lumber is just use sawsall and clean up post.
I will hack it off with a hatchet.
@@TonysTractorAdventure Sawalls Will accept hacksaws blades . Not a great fit but works for this. Don’t take comment to seriously . Watching you throw that in a burn pile has me all salty on giving awAy 4x4’s and lumber I gave away in past year. All I have left is about 20 5x5”s rough cut red oak my father gave from railroad. Who would have thought prices would have quadrupled . Great vid
I thought about the post after I edited the video. I was like, dang, that was $12. The post will live to fight another day.
Do u regret building post barn with fast2k or would use concrete by quality not the weight????
Absolutely not. Fast2K has performed above expectations. 80mph winds! No damage.
@@TonysTractorAdventure wow ! Cool !
I'm sorry but even with filled tires there's no chance that tractor weighs 7k. I'd put money down that it doesn't even come close to 5k.
The base tractor weighs 3289#, Loader weighs 710#, Bucket weighs 100#, Rear and front tires loaded 1000#, backhoe mount brackets 100#, Total, 5199. You are right. I forgot the backhoe was not on the tractor in a moment in time while filming. You got me. My life is for every marked with disgrace and shame. This fact has ruined the whole video subject. Thanks! Wait, I am ok with the video outcome. Have a nice day. 😜😜😜
@@TonysTractorAdventure Wasn't going for a "gotcha" kinda thing. I just hauled a very similar(same model) tym without backhoe and a JD 3720 with loader down the interstate and if that one was 7k then I would have had a bit of an issue with weight. But hey you do you lol
Like the old saying goes, “if it’s too good to be true it probably is.”
Fast 2K is the way to go.
@@TonysTractorAdventure it would be nice if you could pour a slab out of fast 2K. Maybe one day it will happen.
Is there like an unwritten law somewhere that dictates that all
farms & rural properties must build pole barns even though
all steel buildings-steel frame-sides-roof is cheaper-quicker-
stronger-longer lasting ? Unless you harvest the poles from
your own property an all steel building is cheaper.
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Please come build a steel building cheaper for me. I will be happy to agree with you once you prove it. I love how people make these outlandish claims with out a shred of proof. Still, if you prove me wrong, I will make a video saying so. Just making a comment will not get it done.
@@TonysTractorAdventure I believe he is referring to a carport kit that sits above the ground..
Fast 2k all the way !!!!!
Yep! There was no contest.
lowes has a post foamed into a bucket as a display for this stuff. the foam is all beat out from around the post leaving it sloppy in the hole. im in no way impressed with foam.
You are losing out. Buckets are made to have a non-stick surface. My barn has been through two 60 mph winds. FAST2K is the winner. Sikia shouldn't be in the market.
@@TonysTractorAdventure i dont know if its s2k or sika in the demo buckets. its not the foam loose inthe bucket. its the post has wallowed out the hole in the foam.
Fast2K is legitimate. I have used it on several projects.
@@TonysTractorAdventure utility polls dont bear the load of a building. you couldnt pay me to set the foundations of a structure in urethane foam. Nope. Not missing out. but its interesting stuff.
I think I’ll just stick to concrete. It’s proven.
Concrete is proven. It is proven to rot post off. Fast 2K seals water out. It is the same foam utility post are put down with. After researching this, Fast 2K will at least double the life of a post over concrete. I am sure this is due to climate and water. We have a lot more rain than you do in Texas. 4x4 will rot off in 3 or 4 years in our area. The ground gets hot and wet here.
@@TonysTractorAdventure if you bell the top of your ready mix that’s around your post so water will run off and not leave it flat where the water will stand on top of the concrete and around the post will help quite a bit but I would be willing to try the fast 2k because I hate mixing concrete. Getting a little to old for that. LOL!
On my barn post, I poured a little extra so it would be above the soil level. I hate mixing concrete. I use to be the best choice, but pressure treated wood is not what it was in the 80s. The old stuff would last for 50 years.
@@TonysTractorAdventure utility poles are also treated differently than treated lumber.. how long have you had the posts with fast 2k in the ground? Can you shoot me in the right direction to research the long term water resistance of fast 2k?
Their website has all the tech stuff. Still, concrete is guaranteed to rot off a treated post. Like you said, posts are treated differently nowadays. Concrete wicks water to the posts.
Simply use concrete...
I don't want my posts to rot off. Current pressure treated wood will last about 5 years before it rots off in concrete. Concrete acts as a wick drawing water to the post. Fast2K is superior to concrete for mounting post in every way.
Oh, and it is way easier to work with. No water needed. It is not heavy and all that is needed for cleanup was a trash bag. Concrete would have sucked at our location. There is no water to mix the concrete, and no water to clean up with.
I'm in solar mounting business and we use steel pilots imbedded in concrete but for wood i didn't have any idea that it would invite root . In my line of business concrete is better because it's conductor for grounding.. but this looks easy what is price comparison to concentrate?
Use cement fokes and be done !😐
Cement is an inferior choice. Current wood treatment will not hold up and current posts will rot off in a few years. Concrete wicks water to the post, causing the wood to rot faster. Wood treatment 20 years ago would hold up but not any longer. Short Story, concrete is a bad call.
Well you are tottely at fault .
You misspelled it .
The foam is complete garbage. I used it one time.. never again
Watch the video. You used the wrong foam.
@@TonysTractorAdventure I did watch the video. In my 20 years of contracting experience it has no use in a building application.
Fast2K was approved for structural use in Canada, and the USA. If you have not used this brand-specifically, your argument is invalid. I bet the same arguments were made when nails were invented. ”nails and screws will never replace the wood peg” 😇
@@TonysTractorAdventure in fact it was Fast 2k I used. Did not have luck with it. The fact you believe you have contracting experience by just putting post in the ground is laughable. Have fun with your rotten posts in the future. The concrete pier is a superior system to build a post frame building. Enjoy your Christmas. But I STRONGLY disagree with your position.
Bless your heart. Done got mad. I am genuinely excited you don't think I am a contractor. Around here, that title is terrible as the title lawyer.
Here’s an idea. Use concrete.
Here is an idea. Don't be uninformed and make comments. Current treated post are not like they were 20 years ago. The EPA has made them safe for the environment, but they will rot off in concrete in 5 to 7 years. Fast2K encapsulates the post making it waterproof. It holds better than concrete, and does not rot the wood. Concrete wicks water to the wood. I apologize for being so direct; however, it was a measured response.
I used it andmy posted tipped over and whole thing come outa the ground