I had a ruger m77 mark2 target model in .243. It was the first rifle I ever bought. It loved 85 grain hollow points from Winchester. Another gun I had to sell that I wish I had. Its probably the most accurate one I ever had
Am I the only one who is singing along with the theme song at the end? Awesome vid of both the cartridge performance and the rifles. Winner, winner, venison dinner.
Great video. Love those Weatherby Vanguards. With the ammo it likes you can have the proverbial tack drivers. What is the purpose for these HPs, deer or varmints?
Checked with the Remington webpage and they only have the new Core Lokt Copper in about 5 maybe 6 cartridge sizes....they say more to come....I'd like to see it in a 6.5 Creedmoor at a 120 gr offering. Thanks WTW!!
I have a Remington 742 Woodmaster that I shoot an 85 gr HPBT from Federal. They don't make anymore. Have been looking for some other 85 gr ammo. Thank you for showing me that Remington has come out with an 85 gr HP bullet. I will have to pick up a box and see if my 742 likes it
How does that 742 cycle in .243? I had one in .308 that I never had trouble with but stupidly sold, now searching for another one (or a 7400 .308). I have heard most the issues happen with the long actions
As long as a company gets their copper alloy right, and designs a proper tip cavity to assure reliable expansion, they'll have a good bullet. There's already some good coppers being made by other companies, and I have a feeling over the next 10 years almost every company is going to have copper bullet offerings on par with Barnes' bullets. In my mind, Hammer makes the best copper bullet at the moment, but you sure as heck can't go wrong with Barnes. 👍
I've never shot copper bullets but I think on his targets both guns shot better groups with a warm barrel. Did he clean it the barrel between the first & second groups or did I mistook the groups.
Sierra 85 grain bthp game king is a very accurate and work from groundhogs to whitetail. Handloads of course. 70 grain tns if you like pint misting varmints. 👍 👍 👍
You need to get a Garmin Chronograph. It would be nice to see velocities on all these ammo testing videos you do. Your going to need one anyways when you start getting deep into reloading.
@WHOTEEWHO recently heard Ron Spomer advising to clean the bore to metal, all fouling gone, then foul only with solid copper and only use copper, apparently really helps grouping.
An excellent physics presentation! Besides for long range properties, I was under the impression that the "new" high B/C cartridges were to allow the copper bullets to shoot well. That may be true for .277 and above. But for the 6mm .243, that does not seem to hold true. This may mean a whole new line of investagational research and data collection by Who Tee Who! At some point, we should see a book published, "The plain truth of bullet physics," by Who Tee Who.
Higher BC doesn't assure accuracy, nor is it a measure of accuracy. Precise manufacturing and consistency from bullet to bullet is a bigger factor. No matter the bullet design or its BC. However, that is one benefit copper bullets have is that it's a mono metal design, so there are no inconsistencies such as jacket thickness, core inconsistencies, imbalances, etc. that traditional cup and core bullets can (usually rarely) have. With that said, there's no guarantee any given gun will shoot coppers better than any other bullet either. It still comes down to what it likes to shoot, but coppers generally do tend to be highly consistent from bullet to bullet and batch to batch.
Nice shooting Who Tee, the Howa/Wetherby is a beautiful example of Gen I Vanguard. The trashy looking Howa being newer and CNC manufactured will naturally shoot better, however I'd prefer the Vanguard any day. As for the copper bullets, it's all about $$$$.
Yes the Weatherby vanguard is a howa 1500 barreled action, if you look at the side of your vanguard it says “howa 1500” on the action. Howa supplies the barreled actions and Weatherby puts it in a stock, that’s how they get the cost down to such an affordable level.
That Weatherby is one heck of a rifle! I'd be afraid to take it out in the woods because it might get scratched up or something. Anyone who says the 243 is too small for deer should try this copper bullet ammo. These bullets expand reliably and are deep penetrators, effective on larger game. Plus they are California legal.
Glad to see you give the 243 some love. As much as I love modern guns it is hard to beat some wood and blue steel. There you go shooting sub 1 inch groups with 2 different guns same ammo. Great video
Maybe you noticed the warmer barrel did better for both rifles. I have experienced that with copper bullets because they don't compress like lead/copper jacket bull-lots. So I think as the barrel warms and swells the copper loads perform better.
I’m getting to the point that I actually look forward to your videos. I’ve taught marksmanship skills in the Marines once upon a time. I must say, I never noticed your trigger finger flexing before - but I certainly noticed it on this video. It reminded me of a batter stepping into the batter-box and taking his preparatory swings. Tell me, Adam, is that what you’re doing by fingering the trigger before settling in to shoot?
I recognized the Weatherby immediately. It's the Vanguard Deluxe Sporter made by Howa that was once offered by Walmart, Cabelas, and Bass Pro. Like the Vanguard Deluxe, it has a high-gloss finish on both the stock and bluing with a cherry forearm end cap. What it doesn't have, in addition to a much higher price, that can be found on the Deluxe model are white inserts on the butt plate and forearm cap, and a fancy bottom heel on the stock. I purchased one in .270 at my local Walmart for $597. Sometime later Weatherby discontinued the model and Walmart sold their existing stock for $399 each. There were reports of guys buying all the stores had left just to flip them at the that price. Mine is a true tack driver. Took a doe with it a few years back and it's been in the safe ever since.
Watch out! WHO_TEE_WHO's shootin' the lights out again! Good shootin' as always, Adam. 👍 I continue to be impressed with the ammo Remington seems to be putting out these days. It appears they've made strides in batch consistency under their new ownership. It's nice to see. Is that the copper ammo Remington recently announced though? I thought the new stuff is called Remington CuT? That looks like regular ol' Core-Lokt Copper to me. Regardless, good video as always!
I love your videos but I've noticed that if you talk between shots your group size gets bigger, none the less, you are an amazing shot You might have to book a flight for the backfire challenge 😁
Wondering if you clean the rifles before switching to the copper bullets. Lot of websites say that when you switch you have to clean to bare metal before starting. Is that maybe why your first group with both rifles was larger than the second groups? Another great video
Actually ""WTW"" - You stated that backwards, the Howa is NOT a Weatherby,,, BUT the Weatherby is a HOWA - for years Howa made the Weatherby action & barrel,,, until Sako of Maine started making the Weatherby's,,, just thought you might like to know that. And now Weatherby is once again making there own stuff,,, just like Roy always wanted it to be... ""WTW"" - what would be REALLY COOL,,, is to see you compare the 338 Win mag, 338 Federal, 338 Weatherby, 338 Lapua - against the 338-378 Weatherby,,, even if it was just on paper (the ballistics).
Those was the early days of copper bullets!! Yup quite common! ( then) But even today. Many seem oblivious to expansion ( you really ned and expect) from these requires, alot more velocity. Mist makers tell you 2000. But this is INITIATING expansion. NOT AT ALL the mushrooms ya see in your imagination, when they tell you this! Think closer to 23/2400!!!! (Most copper projectiles, not all)
Hey Bro, I have NO experience with the copper bullet YET but am preparing to switch over my '06 and my 243 in case my state goes "no lead". I've been told, however that in order to to shoot the coppers accurately, you have to clean bore down to the lands (bare metal) as if rifle is new and start again with only copper fouling (no lead). My question is - did you do anything special to clean older weatherby and how new (how many rounds) have gone down the tube of the newer howa rifle?
@@WHOTEEWHO Amen to that. Just hate to see somebody jacked up for stupidity. No other reason for a law like that but stupidity. Be safe. Keep your head down and your powder dry. Love your channel.
Just curious if the guilding metal copper fouling was completely cleaned from the bores of both rifles. I've read that pure copper and guilding metal don't get along in rifle bores. Some say to completely clean all copper fouling from the bore and foul with and shoot only copper for the best accuracy. Others call BS on this and have no accuracy issues when shooting both cup and core and all copper monolithics together. What's your take WTW?
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I would love to see what this load does in a Gel Block at 100 yards!!!
Me too
I believe classic firearms has done them in different loads. On the cartridge wars, they do.
Please do this gel block test
Yes!
ME TOO
That Weatherby is gorgeous
I had a ruger m77 mark2 target model in .243. It was the first rifle I ever bought. It loved 85 grain hollow points from Winchester. Another gun I had to sell that I wish I had. Its probably the most accurate one I ever had
Am I the only one who is singing along with the theme song at the end?
Awesome vid of both the cartridge performance and the rifles. Winner, winner, venison dinner.
Appreciate you watching
Great video. Love those Weatherby Vanguards. With the ammo it likes you can have the proverbial tack drivers.
What is the purpose for these HPs, deer or varmints?
Me too 😂😂😂😂
Both performed great with that copper but man that Howa really liked it great video buddy
Checked with the Remington webpage and they only have the new Core Lokt Copper in about 5 maybe 6 cartridge sizes....they say more to come....I'd like to see it in a 6.5 Creedmoor at a 120 gr offering. Thanks WTW!!
Thanks for bringing the Weatherby out again 😊 Good on big green for bringing out a great product! It's raining our my way too.
Thanks for watching!
With those groups, I'd hunt with either rifle and that Copper Corelock. Thanks WTW for the video.
Thanks for watching
I have a Remington 742 Woodmaster that I shoot an 85 gr HPBT from Federal. They don't make anymore. Have been looking for some other 85 gr ammo. Thank you for showing me that Remington has come out with an 85 gr HP bullet. I will have to pick up a box and see if my 742 likes it
How does that 742 cycle in .243? I had one in .308 that I never had trouble with but stupidly sold, now searching for another one (or a 7400 .308). I have heard most the issues happen with the long actions
@@michaelaudy6415 I haven't had a cycling problem with my 742 in 243. It fed everything that put through it
I only hunt with barns so glad to see other brands figuring things like this out.
Barnes has been filling my freezer for years 😁🦌
As long as a company gets their copper alloy right, and designs a proper tip cavity to assure reliable expansion, they'll have a good bullet. There's already some good coppers being made by other companies, and I have a feeling over the next 10 years almost every company is going to have copper bullet offerings on par with Barnes' bullets. In my mind, Hammer makes the best copper bullet at the moment, but you sure as heck can't go wrong with Barnes. 👍
I would love to see you do the Remington copper in 30-06 in 150ge
Good going, copper likes a clean barrel. Less carbon build up the better
I've never shot copper bullets but I think on his targets both guns shot better groups with a warm barrel. Did he clean it the barrel between the first & second groups or did I mistook the groups.
Sierra 85 grain bthp game king is a very accurate and work from groundhogs to whitetail. Handloads of course.
70 grain tns if you like pint misting varmints.
👍 👍 👍
Both are freaking rifles, but the Weatherby feels and fits better to me. I love your videos. Great shooting!!!
Thanks for watching
You need to get a Garmin Chronograph. It would be nice to see velocities on all these ammo testing videos you do. Your going to need one anyways when you start getting deep into reloading.
Sage advice right there!
Awesome! Those are great groups! I’m a big fan of the 243! Got my first whitetail with one, same with my son. Thanks Adam!
Awesome!
Cool beans, mine loves 85 grainers, got some barnes loaded up consistently .7" , killed a nice 7pt last season with one. Copper dont mess around
@WHOTEEWHO recently heard Ron Spomer advising to clean the bore to metal, all fouling gone, then foul only with solid copper and only use copper, apparently really helps grouping.
An excellent physics presentation! Besides for long range properties, I was under the impression that the "new" high B/C cartridges were to allow the copper bullets to shoot well. That may be true for .277 and above. But for the 6mm .243, that does not seem to hold true. This may mean a whole new line of investagational research and data collection by Who Tee Who! At some point, we should see a book published, "The plain truth of bullet physics," by Who Tee Who.
Higher BC doesn't assure accuracy, nor is it a measure of accuracy. Precise manufacturing and consistency from bullet to bullet is a bigger factor. No matter the bullet design or its BC. However, that is one benefit copper bullets have is that it's a mono metal design, so there are no inconsistencies such as jacket thickness, core inconsistencies, imbalances, etc. that traditional cup and core bullets can (usually rarely) have. With that said, there's no guarantee any given gun will shoot coppers better than any other bullet either. It still comes down to what it likes to shoot, but coppers generally do tend to be highly consistent from bullet to bullet and batch to batch.
Nice shooting Who Tee, the Howa/Wetherby is a beautiful example of Gen I Vanguard. The trashy looking Howa being newer and CNC manufactured will naturally shoot better, however I'd prefer the Vanguard any day. As for the copper bullets, it's all about $$$$.
Yes the Weatherby vanguard is a howa 1500 barreled action, if you look at the side of your vanguard it says “howa 1500” on the action. Howa supplies the barreled actions and Weatherby puts it in a stock, that’s how they get the cost down to such an affordable level.
No, they say weatherby vanguard.
They do say made by howa, though
Nice video. I cant wait to feed the 270 some of these copper pills. It always liked Core Lokt.
In Fort Stewart, GA. The minimum Caliber to legally hunt with is .30 Caliber. That's the Military's rules. I'm not sure about State Regulations.
That Weatherby is one heck of a rifle! I'd be afraid to take it out in the woods because it might get scratched up or something. Anyone who says the 243 is too small for deer should try this copper bullet ammo. These bullets expand reliably and are deep penetrators, effective on larger game. Plus they are California legal.
Great groups with both rifles. Sure would like to see you test these over the chronograph and into ballistic gel. 🎯🎯
Absolutely love the stock on that Weatherby…mine has the black and gray stock…
I have been thinking of getting a nice .243, your video got me really going on it now.
243 is pretty sweet
@@WHOTEEWHO Sportsmans had a ruger hawkeye for 789.00...on order, I'll let you know ow it shoots.
@Dave_Nichols Agreed. Good ol' .243 is an excellent round. If you get one you won't be disappointed. What will you be hunting with it?
@@Plumcraziness Hunting, yes absolutely
@@Dave_Nichols Oh, I just meant what species do you intend to hunt with .243 if you get one?
Remington is killing it on the Ammo lately
Back in '89 I had a Howa 1500 in .243. That's when they made them in wood. Wish I still had it
Either one with the Copper is a criter gitter.
I used barns x in my 30.06 back in the 90’s. Massive exit wound.
Rem core lokt has always been my favorite!
It would be nice to see a jelly and milk jug test done on this ammo, maybe even clay block.
Definitely!
Glad to see you give the 243 some love. As much as I love modern guns it is hard to beat some wood and blue steel. There you go shooting sub 1 inch groups with 2 different guns same ammo. Great video
I am a 243 fan
243 ? Any questions ask CLIFF.
He knows CIVIL WAR CALIBERS.
He loves to blather on and on about how smart he is..
The shoosher machine helps with barrel harmonics 😎
Yes, calms down a thinner barrel.
Looking like the rifles like the round. Thanks for sharing the video 👍🇺🇸
Thanks for watching!
Maybe you noticed the warmer barrel did better for both rifles. I have experienced that with copper bullets because they don't compress like lead/copper jacket bull-lots. So I think as the barrel warms and swells the copper loads perform better.
AS LONG AS THEY OPEN UP
I’m getting to the point that I actually look forward to your videos. I’ve taught marksmanship skills in the Marines once upon a time. I must say, I never noticed your trigger finger flexing before - but I certainly noticed it on this video. It reminded me of a batter stepping into the batter-box and taking his preparatory swings. Tell me, Adam, is that what you’re doing by fingering the trigger before settling in to shoot?
Always appreciate you watching. As far as the trigger finger goes - I have no idea 🤣
The stuff that dreams are made of.
Good stuff with a solid deer slayer cartridge and nice rifles.
Pretty Weatherby! Even if it's a Howa 1500. Howa makes great rifles!
Yea i like the core lokt copper in my 30-06
If you remember your howa from your bullet test liked the light wieght stuff.
I recognized the Weatherby immediately. It's the Vanguard Deluxe Sporter made by Howa that was once offered by Walmart, Cabelas, and Bass Pro. Like the Vanguard Deluxe, it has a high-gloss finish on both the stock and bluing with a cherry forearm end cap. What it doesn't have, in addition to a much higher price, that can be found on the Deluxe model are white inserts on the butt plate and forearm cap, and a fancy bottom heel on the stock. I purchased one in .270 at my local Walmart for $597. Sometime later Weatherby discontinued the model and Walmart sold their existing stock for $399 each. There were reports of guys buying all the stores had left just to flip them at the that price. Mine is a true tack driver. Took a doe with it a few years back and it's been in the safe ever since.
Yup I got it clearance at walmart
I always wondered why it was so glossy.
The regular sporter is dull and like you said the deluxe has the foreend and inserts
Adding a Garmin to your routine to see the MV, ES and SD on all your boolots would be an awesome addition!
I'm very jealous of you. I wish we could make these videos in Alaska
Hooty..would love to see rounds like this in gel.
👍👍
That Weatherby rifle is extremely good looking.
I would take that thing hunting even if it only shot 2inch groups.
Beautiful gun
I have yet to see it in person , but I think my uncle said 3” group is good enough”..🤦🏻♂️
hey adam bro, great vid n loads there , great stuff , keep em hot down range , thanks n talk soon > tom !
Copper Is impressive in any caliber
This new core like copper is great, but if you can’t find it federal power shock copper is the exact same.
Watch out! WHO_TEE_WHO's shootin' the lights out again! Good shootin' as always, Adam. 👍 I continue to be impressed with the ammo Remington seems to be putting out these days. It appears they've made strides in batch consistency under their new ownership. It's nice to see. Is that the copper ammo Remington recently announced though? I thought the new stuff is called Remington CuT? That looks like regular ol' Core-Lokt Copper to me. Regardless, good video as always!
105 gr with 43 gr of 3841sc is the best I have ever found
I love your videos but I've noticed that if you talk between shots your group size gets bigger, none the less, you are an amazing shot
You might have to book a flight for the backfire challenge 😁
Thanks for the 243 video today!! My favorite rifle
Thanks for watching!
I like the idea, i have to wonder how it effects barrel life?❤❤❤
I had my super duper .243 out the last 2 days, my Weatherby Vanguard S2 in .240 Weatherby Magnum.
That Weatherby is a wall hanger
Wondering if you clean the rifles before switching to the copper bullets. Lot of websites say that when you switch you have to clean to bare metal before starting. Is that maybe why your first group with both rifles was larger than the second groups? Another great video
It is possible. I rarely clean anything
maybe they've improved them today but ways back i lost a bull elk with those core lokt 3 shoulder hits n he kept going
Love it! Hammers!
Weatherby is a fine rifle.
Didn't even watch video yet an can tell u .243 is so under rated...
Actually ""WTW"" - You stated that backwards, the Howa is NOT a Weatherby,,, BUT the Weatherby is a HOWA - for years Howa made the Weatherby action & barrel,,, until Sako of Maine started making the Weatherby's,,, just thought you might like to know that. And now Weatherby is once again making there own stuff,,, just like Roy always wanted it to be...
""WTW"" - what would be REALLY COOL,,, is to see you compare the 338 Win mag, 338 Federal, 338 Weatherby, 338 Lapua - against the
338-378 Weatherby,,,
even if it was just on paper (the ballistics).
Howa still makes the Vanguard for Weatherby.
@@johnrussell2003 ,,, eell I respectfully have to disagree,,, my Vanguard built August of last year is stamped USA - not Japan - where Howa is made
Love 243!
Me too
I swear, sometimes, Who-Tee-Who makes videos just for me! I dig this channel!!
🤣🤣🤣 appreciate you watching!
Nice stuff
Great groups. Get some deer with either of these with this offering.
🦌🦌🦌
Awesome… thanks for your videos buddy…
Thanks for watching!
Sold my remington 700 and howa 1500 both in 243 bought a ruger american this 1 im keeping
Nice job mate, thanks
That should be the rifle you use for a Backfire challenge.
Looks to be some good ammo.
👍👍
Used the barnes ttsx in my 22-250. Certainly changes the game options.
… you should do a video comparing single shot rifles like Rossi, NEF, H&R, T/C, CVA in 243 Win, ???
Had some Black talon solid copper 338 win mag, they failed, minimum expansion and penetration was sub par odd that it managed to fail at both.
Those was the early days of copper bullets!! Yup quite common! ( then)
But even today. Many seem oblivious to expansion ( you really ned and expect) from these requires, alot more velocity. Mist makers tell you 2000. But this is INITIATING expansion. NOT AT ALL the mushrooms ya see in your imagination, when they tell you this! Think closer to 23/2400!!!! (Most copper projectiles, not all)
👍👍 great group's 👌
How about a review on the new ruger American gen 2 in 450 bushmaster 🤞🙏
Thnx
That’s a damn pretty rifle,
Very interesting! Another great video!
Thanks for watching!
fun guns
Damm Raccoons!
The Weatherby is really nice looking!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
John 1:12
I used to have Weatherby Vanguard 30.06. Disappeared after my divorce. 😢
Yikes
@thePrussian Had to get rid of the evidence, huh? 😂 Kidding! kidding! 😅
Hey Bro,
I have NO experience with the copper bullet YET but am preparing to switch over my '06 and my 243 in case my state goes "no lead".
I've been told, however that in order to to shoot the coppers accurately, you have to clean bore down to the lands (bare metal) as if rifle is new and start again with only copper fouling (no lead).
My question is - did you do anything special to clean older weatherby and how new (how many rounds) have gone down the tube of the newer howa rifle?
There is somewhat some truth to that but not necessary. I have many many rounds through this Gun and have never cleaned it once 🤣
I believe some states might not allow hollow points for hunting.
Not free states!
@@WHOTEEWHO
Amen to that. Just hate to see somebody jacked up for stupidity. No other reason for a law like that but stupidity. Be safe. Keep your head down and your powder dry. Love your channel.
right on
Just curious if the guilding metal copper fouling was completely cleaned from the bores of both rifles.
I've read that pure copper and guilding metal don't get along in rifle bores.
Some say to completely clean all copper fouling from the bore and foul with and shoot only copper for the best accuracy.
Others call BS on this and have no accuracy issues when shooting both cup and core and all copper monolithics together.
What's your take WTW?
100yards belistic gel test with this ammo🔥🙂
The weatherby is a nice looking rifle
That's a beautiful piece of wood, j7st got done painting one of my stocks
Nice
Yes. Gel or water jug test please! If you don't I'm gonna do it! Lol! 🤣👍👍
👍👍
Is that you singing in the background. An impressive round. A+
Not me singing. Brent saunders
Those seem to work very well. It would be nice to see one caught in a in a water jug. 😀
I have the same Howa 1500 rifle but in rubber OD green. Good choice n video sir :)
Where is the link for the scopes offer?
We are not allowed to show links for scopes anymore. Have to Google arken optics
@@WHOTEEWHO Roger that