I was never really a fan of JM Red Bull style of play , but next to Gregg , he's like Pep Guardiola. I cant believe the USMNT didnt take him when he was available
He has a lot of the same flaws as 3G tbh. He's very much stuck on a very rigid system. Picks favorites who play into his system. And has shown an inability to make good tactical adjustments ingame.
the unfortunate politics of us club soccer are the biggest reason that the usmnt is not a world power . the talent is here. the organizations suffers from nepotism, classism, and overly expensive club fees
Totally agree even in my sons grade 4 team, the a team is very collegial and closed off and very conceded, getting my son from the c team to even the b team is impossible even though he scores in every game. The best players are not able to get the best coaching because the best coaching goes to the most popular families in town.
The best way to get noticed for at least a decade now has been MLS sponsored local leagues and academies which are practically free. Granted you need to be a kid in an urban area to benefit from that though.
100%. I remember watching the MLS documentary on Eddie Johnson the African American US international and I as a British person was appalled by what he had to go through as a working class black kid to be a soccer player in the USA, opened my eyes to everything wrong with US soccer and why they will never be a contender in soccer. He loved soccer and his friends who he met through pick up soccer asked him to join their travel team. This amateur kids team had huge fees to join, pointing out that the best academies the world don’t charge kids to play in them, Johnson was by far the best kid in his trial, so the so the coach because he was the best player in the team, decided to waver the fees out of charity because he was from a single parent working class family and couldn’t afford the fees. But the other wealthy parents on the team wanted him off the team because they didn’t think it was fair he didn’t have to pay and used to insult and harass his mother when she came to games because she was a working class single mother. This story horrified me because it showed me soccer in the USA had country club snobbery and what working class black kids had to go through to be soccer players and rely on charity of individual coaches and not their talent. It is even worse in the female game with no free academies and I know the USWNT are patting themselves on the back for the new diversity in the team, but they still aren’t class diverse because most of the black players in the team come from privileged backgrounds too.
I’m very grateful that he kept us up his first season, though I do think it was a bit much and too soon. Genuinely really liked him as a coach and he seemed like a good, normal, down to earth guy. Always great w fans and I’ve seen nothing but good spoken of those who have seen him in the community. Honestly hope he succeeds and does well for himself. Frankly, I think he would have been a great appointment now (if/when we got relegated).
I mean bielsa couldn't keep you guys up. What was Jesse gonna do. Leeds problems are bigger than a coach. But the coach will constantly be punished for those problems.
@@rakim126 yeah..... complete negligence by the board in not getting in a striker and keeping that back line YEARS after it was very clear they weren't close to PL level. Sooo many chances wasted and soooo many mental lapses on the defensive end. Jesse wasn't perfect but NO ONE was going to keep that side up. Can only run on blood and guts and fight for so long. Trying to do just that, Leeds literally ran the horse into the ground. I don't think the red bull system is sustainable over the long haul, even throughout an entire match really, but one thing you can't deny is all that the fight and scrappiness they had under Jesse was gone when he left. Once Adams went down, it was a done deal.
@@rakim126 the board didnt support bielsa with new transfers, bielsa didn't want new guys in janruary - hence bielsa never chose to adapt his defensive system thus Leeds got worked time again.
@@ricopo3522 Jesse brought in wingers and midfielders - one of the reasons why they didn't get a striker. He was not defensive minded and that was exposed once teams figured out how to beat Leeds. Same thing happened to bielsa. The team bought in, alot of close losses and draws but no offensive production that was consistent enough to keep Leeds afloat when Marsch was a coach.
@@keenanvanzile JM directly stated a real need, asked for defenders and a striker early in his first transfer window and was obviously told to shut up by the director or board as his tone changed- wouldn't speak specifics after the next day. Was striking and not a good sign to me at the time as it pointed to a lack of clout, influence at the club which is never good for a manager. Frankly, I don't much care for his/the RB system, he's far from a defensive guru, however- have to say their defense though not great was much tighter under him than Bielsa, Gracia and Big Sam and the numbers aren't even close.
@12:30 - I am very glad that this is being discussed. We need more and better coaches. It is so painfully obvious, particularly when you look at the ratios of most other Footballing nations. But I get it. It is a very complex issue. Just pleased to see it out in the open, being discussed by great Americans. Courage!
I've been a player n coach in the US for many years. You do need great players but you do need to have the knowledge. For example, everyone has been taught to lean forward in order to keep your shot on frame. It's not necessary because your stance isn't what makes the ball go up. I can put power n keep the ball on frame pretty much a 100% of the time. Your foot n what u do at the point of contact is what makes the ball rise. I can prove it because it's just physics n geometry n I can do it with both feet. The coach is significant as well. I switch player's positions all the time because it helps the players n team be more effective. I switched a player from mid to center forward n he began to score in almost every game. I've switched players from forward to defense n now those players are playing in that position in NWSL n MLS. It's not just about athleticism, it's also about the knowledge. I'm not trying to be Mr. know it all, just helping with the information I know.
Not to compare too much, but listening to Marsch, his football acumen is so much higher then who USSF hired. That "extensive search" must have skipped asking the Xs and Os questions.
The "extensive search" used data prepared by Berhalter. So guess who the data spat out as best candidate? Conflicting interests are the only interests at USSF.
I was at that game in santa clara. Inaugural game. Eric Wynalda game winner for the Clash. He was at the time USA best attacker. That team produced eddie lewis. Great left back for US. Fans were already here.
I was behind the net in 35th row at the Home Opener of the 1994 World cup when Wynalda scored the tying goal against Switzerland. It was very emotional!!!
@@Mike-px8rc that's crazy. I was at the 94 game at Stanford when tab Ramos was sent off for tackle on Leonardo of Brazil. Man that's whe US realized our generation would LOVE this game!
The system has come a LONG way since the pre Beckham MLS arrival though. 2006 there wasnt even a reserve league. You get cut from an MLS team, you are playing in a pay to play city league in the hood in LA. After Beckham and the influx of $$$ into MLS, all teams had a reserve team. This country has made the MOST improvement out of any other nation in their soccer development in the past 20 years.
I never thought about it that much he brought a good point about bigger faster players get priority at young age. They dont really develop that much skill and a lot of late developers change sports.
He is 100000% correct. The problem in this country isn't even the player pool, it's the coaching. I truly believe that. This goes all the way down to local clubs. America needs an identity as far as football, just like almost every other nation has an identity.
It is hard to see how fast development is growing in this country and think it needs to be "fixed". It is still growing snd developing but MLS sells to Europe more every year and we see homegrowns in the Allstar game and in important roles on many teams in the league. We are definitely heading in the right direction.
Yes the US has produced good players over the years and had some good results at World Cups, but then so do lots of countries. Making a great team out of those players to really challenge the very best is another story.
He nailed it. Level of coaching experience in the US is young. And not due to coaching education, I believe that a great coach needs to have high level playing experience. And a good understanding of priorities in development. Another big factor in our system is pay to play. Thousands of youth players in the inner cities end up playing in local youth leagues due to the costs and travel commitment of the more organized leagues. We are starting to see MLS youth academies recruit these players and give them a chance. I believe that in 10-20 years, US will be commutative with the best teams in the world.
Great interview. As a youth coach, I love this discussion. Does this pretty much confirm the Play-Practice-Play model that USSF employs? There's a massive amount of content going the other way of more technique, drill-based models.
Part of the problem is over coaching, lack of real love and grit in the sport in the US. Go to any public/free basketball court in any major US city and you’ll see the love, creativity, street hierarchy of players that you see with futbol in Latin America or Europe etc. we lack that. We have perfectly manicured fields, pay to play club teams, coaches that micromanage everything and the parents use the sport to compete for schollies to prestigious private colleges etc. it’s a joke really!
I'm becoming more and more tempted to just start organising weekly or bi-weekly pick-up 5v5 or 7v7 tournaments. I have first hand experience with its popularity and appeal both in urban and rural areas within the US. People show up, teams are assigned, and an organizer organizes. All you have to do is get a few players/coaches from the local D1 college team/semi-pro/pro team to volunteer their mentorship and you'll start developing more talent per week than any "prestigious" US paytoplay club. Not to mention you'll be able to scout upcoming talent as they bloom. It's cheap, it's fun, it's good for community.
@@kirkwoodbharris5110 I have lived for almost two decades across the street from a large playfield and except for the few times when teachers from a nearby school forced their kids play, never once did any kids in the area use any of the field for a game. By the way, I live 1-kilometer from the border with a major inner city about 100-meters from a bus stop. Unfortunately, in the USA there is very little interest in the sport outside of organized suburban pay -to-play leagues. I bet if you do start 5v5 games you will very quickly find out just how much $$$ you will have to fork over out of your own pocket for insurance because American parents LOVE to sue people for the smallest things.
The levels in the streets in South America can be really impressive. The futsal in the amateur courts can be quite brilliant. I remember watching a pick up game on a small court in the shadow of the bombonara…. No joke no smokescreens.
I often pass by youth training sessions while I'm out exercising. I'll stop to watch a little but always end up watching a bunch of kids standing around listening to a coach explain a drill. Finally after they get set up and start playing i realize how much time has been wasted for a really stupid drill. Its frustrating to watch knowing the kids would be so much better off with a simple small sided game...
@@damianquijada9455 I believe technique is best learned by repeated and high number of touches on the ball, and often on one's own time (eg juggling, kicking a ball against wall, messing around with friends). The instruction portion of learning technique is very brief. What gets me is that the drills are soo underwhelming for the amount of time the kids spend standing around listening and waiting. Kids shouldn't be standing around for technical training. If it were tactical drills, that would make sense but it often seems like coaches are just trying to appease paying parents by doing drills instead of simply organising games
I have lived for almost two decades across the street from a large playfield and except for the few times when teachers from a nearby school forced their kids play, never once did any kids in the area use any of the field for a game. By the way, I live 1-kilometer from the border with a major inner city and about 100-meters from a bus stop. Unfortunately, in the USA there is very little interest in the sport outside of organized suburban pay -to-play leagues.
The root problem of U.S. soccer starts at the youth club level. Coaches coach to win and fail to teach fundamentals. It is expected that the kids will magically learn on their own. Next, few coaches actually coach tactics and even worst do not coach roles associated with each position. I’ve watched several hundred youth games during the past 5 years and witnessed any number of “academy” teams that use a primitive kick and chase style of soccer. There are strikers who refuse to mark or Harass any defenders and there are midfielders who view their position as a strictly offensive one. Add the specter of whining parents and coaches who often bend to the parents and you have today’s U.S. soccer.
@@michaelpower4372 The U.S. women were 20 years ahead of the World in adapting to soccer although their on field fundamentals were rough and poor at best. Frankly, the rest of the world has caught up to the U.S., the game quality has improved dramatically and there are fully a dozen teams that could win the current Women’s World Cup. The U.S. men’s team fundamentals are woefully poor with maybe 3-4 exceptions. Klinsmann had the right idea and was able to have 6-8 U.S. players play in Europe, but they need more like 16-20 playing in quality teams. Current U.S. team doesn’t have that quality of individual to play in Europe.
@@michaelpower4372 Because sports in the US is tied to schools unlike in most other nations and schools are forced to spend equal between men and women(good, I agree with this obviously). So there has been funding for soccer for women for a long time in the US. In Europe female soccer teams were mostly people playing ball in their free time after school or work for fun. There was nothing funding it. Like, there are European countries(male) that play bakers and electricians in their national team. They don't win against professionals either. Basically, it's like as if there would be a world cup for American football. Most countries would field a bunch of amateurs who go and play with friends once or twice a week. Obviously a lot has changed since 10 years or so and Europe will likely easily outcompete the US because Europe can just apply what they know about the men's game in the medium future. When I was 10(around 2001) we had a girl in our team of boys. But once we gained muscle she could obviously no longer compete, got hurt a lot and quit. She had no place to go to play soccer with girls basically.
I'd seen the twitter account but not seen the podcast/RUclips channel until Wrexham's arrival. Rog seems lovely even if he reminds me a bit of Peston as his questions can be a bit on the long side. Jesse really engaging, I must say + I love he says Football but I am from 🏴.
we turned down patrick viera, actually not replying to him when he was interrested. We wasted 6 months to just return to Berhalter. We have the most talent on this national team, but the coach does not help us advance to a winning era
Spark Notes: We need to work WITH other cultures rather than trying to outdo them. That's a big hurdle for American culture in general. I think Messi playing in Florida for Beckham is a sign things are going in the right direction. 2026 is gonna boost the hell out of all this that's been building since 1994.
By 16 in Europe they know if they're good enough to be professional soccer player or not, at least within the top 3 or 4 divisions of their league. Some are late bloomers and don't "get good" until their early/mid-20s (ref: Kante). Its a larger topic that can't be addressed in a RUclips comments section but promotion/relegation would help the MLS/US Soccer so much. The franchise model doesn't work because now development is bound to solely those cities or states. There are only 18 states with an MLS team. I guess the kids in the other 32 states are just s.o.l. So much unfound talent or quality players that never got a chance to develop properly because they stopped playing after high school or maybe even the college level and then "found a job".
I don't know about now, but back in the day, there was a wide network of baseball scouts seemingly everywhere who covered little league on up. If a kid had talent, it was noticed and reported. Kids playing baseball was as ubiquitous as football in the rest of the world. Do we have anything equivalent now for football in the US for spotting talent in low-population areas?
I guess the kids in the other 32 states are just s.o.l. I live in one of those 32 states. The local club here is affiliated with the closest MLS team. I doubt that is uncommon.
That's why PA Union introduced the residential program, to house players from out of state. RB is building facilities with residential buildings to house young athletes while they train. They also offer schooling.
The United States has more than one soccer league. Which means more cities than you think have a football club. USL has two divisions. Two other leagues exist outside the MLS/next and USL.
@@shawnharrison9701 But they don't have academies. That's what was mentioned on the video, opportunities for kids to get top notch training is only happening in the MLS academies.
Seeing Jesse bring up basketball, it's worth noting that there's a lot of room to criticize how this country develops basketball players as well. The best basketball player in the world isn't an American. Roughly half of the top 20 players in the world are _not_ Americans. 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in this year's NBA MVP voting were all players born and raised outside of the United States. That's crazy given our population and inherent structural advantages in that sport. The best baseball player in the world isn't an American either. I think it's worth considering that the problem American soccer is having might not _solely_ be a soccer problem, but more generally an American approach to athletics problem.
Only half the top-20 players are from the 4% of the world population. No soccer country has that kind of reach. It is just possible that the other countries have improved some in basketball
Dont know if this is the case nowadays in the US with MLS or USL clubs, but if you look at the 'big' nations in Europe and South America, one thing they have done for decades is to get kids in to pro club priogrammes from a young age. For example, Messi joined his first one aged 6 yrs old. At Ajax its 7. That doesnt mean they are pro players but this connection helps them develop as they grow working with licensed coaches. And at a local level, they have a network of smaller 'feeder' clubs and schools as a pipeline to scout the talent. In the US you cannot really run football like you do with other sports, through the college system because by then its too late. Its not about being an 'athlete' either. Speed and strength will only get you so far.
The problem is this: American professional sportas have outsourced their youth programs to public schools and random youth programs. They save tons of money by doing this, but the product suffers, because there really aren't competitive standards for most youth soccer programs. Especially the ones affiliated with a school This doesn't matter for the NFL, because they're not competing with teams in other countries. But in soccer, our system is crap. Each MLS team needs to have it's own youth development program to develop talent
LOL, what all of you don’t seem to realize is that in the USA, academies by professional teams need very special teaching exemptions from standard US law. It is ILLEGAL for any child age 10-thru-16 year-old not to be in a regular middle/high school or certified home school program. This stems from the high number of dropouts/ school truancy issues in 1980s & 1990s. A youth program like those in Europe would shut down, those in charge might be arrested, and the parents fine up to $1,500 with the possibility of having their kids taken away from them. Therefore, US sport academies cost a LOT of money to operate to meet the school standards. No one in the US is going to pay for a bunch of kids to attend without getting something in return - hence pay-to-play!
@@gregorybiestek3431 facepalm. You're missing the point. We have private travel soccer clubs already. MLS teams save money by allowing High Schools and private clubs do the training. The MLS league and clubs are the ones that should be doing the development. They are profiting off of the development being done at schools and private clubs by saving money. It's all about profit
@@eldenbling2615 Obvious you did not read my full post. I am exactly stating that everything in the USA is about PROFIT! either you cannot see that saying the same thing as you or else you must be one of those people who got participation trophies through-out your education. I feel sorry for your lack of cognition and understanding.
LOL. And what YOU don't seem to realise,Greg, is that kids in Clubs Academies also go to public schools. They still get educated FFS. Your post is insanely dumb!!
I honestly didn’t think we had an American coach who was well decorated and coached in Europe, but to find out about this guy today and to know the US Football federation didn’t hire him over Berhalter just means that The US federation doesn’t care enough to reach our potential.
Not discussed is the biggest weakness in Concafab, nevertheless US soccer. The Referees. From what I've seen of the MLS, the referees are much better than the standard for the majority of the region, but you see Concafab style refs in College level games regular. When you get to the youth levels, you are lucky to even get that level of ref, as much of them are parents drafted into trying to control a game they don't know the rules of. This makes coaches that already tend to favor the big strong kids over the smaller kids focus even more on the big kids, because a young Messi would spend 90% of his time on the ground in a US youth soccer match and would likely only get a call about once every 20 times he was fouled.
The fix for our youth development is coaches being ethical enough to tell parents that their kids aren't good enough to go pro or get a college scholarship when the situation warrants. This would strip away 95% of the players in our pay to pay system and allow the good coaches that we have to focus on the best players. Fewer players would mean that only the best coaches would survive which would provide a huge incentive for coaches to improve. This, of course, is unlikely to happen because convincing the soccer establishment to behave ethically would cost them lots and lots of money, because conning parents int paying high fees for something that will yield no gain is how those within the system prosper.
He may not want it. Personally, I think its a larger challenge to be a European football manager than manager of the US national team. The US doesn't play any tough matches until the World Cup. They're overrated because of how weak CONCACAF is. Literally every weekend at Leeds, and during his time in Austria/Germany, was a make or break weekend.
@@AkersJohnExactly right. Any team will win if their opponent is Martinique or Guadeloupe or St Kitts and Nevis, and these are the USMNT's opponents in tournaments. Like, the U.S had a friendly match against Japan and they lost 2-0. In the post-match interview, the U.S coach complained how competitive the Japanese team was. It boggled my mind.
The bottom screen subhead here is about our best athletes playing the sport. We won't have that without equivalent coaching talent, ability, and humanity. Maybe Beckham bringing us Messi might speed things up a generation or two. Ted Lasso isn't hurting us, either, working on some level as promotion/propaganda. I'm not the most avid podcast listener ever, but I'm a little curious as to whether Men in Blazers, ESPN, NBC, FOX, or anyone else has remarked on this as a phenomenon.
@@KingOfTheLabYes, how would the US ever survive playing such mighty opponents as Gibraltar, Malta and Andorra (all ranked below SKN by Fifa). Yes, Concacaf is a bit top heavy, but 1) it's not like UEFA doesn't have it's share of creampuffs and 2) historically, Concacafs performances at the world cup, in terms of advancement to the knockout stages, has justified the number of berths they get.
so, I just had a child and would like to make sure i position him to have the most opportunity to succeed in what ever he chooses. if that happens to be Soccer, where are those resources being poured into that JM mentioned? i dont want to be in a spot where no one is looking or investing..
@@mengsou Radz said he hired Jesse because his tactics and training were similar to Bielsa's and the first thing he did was trash Bielsa's tactics and training. We ended up with all the bad things we had under Bielsa and none of the good things. Maybe he was similar to Bielsa and just didn't have the confidence to stick to his principles because Bielsa had been sacked. The best thing about Bielsa was his strength of character.
Off-topic but did you guys know that Forest Green Rovers (League Two) appointed a female head coach as caretaker? Her name is Hannah Dingley. She would make for an interesting interview, yes?
As long as American football, basketball, and baseball are the more popular sports in the US. US soccer will never reach Europe or S American status. I don't see American children playing 2 small goals soccer in the street or park. I don't see them juggling or developing individual skills. Little league baseball is very popular. I do see kids shooting baskets, and American football is massive. I love soccer, I played for many years. We need to just accept the fact that the US will never be a great soccer nation... But I hope I'm wrong.
Unsophisticated coaches is an understatement. We still have high schools that have gym teachers for coaches and self centered parents that coach only so their kid gets playing time
One of the other main reasons that the US is not with the rest of the world is it our very best athletes choose to play football, baseball, basketball, and hockey. That is where all the attention money fame and status are in the United states .
The problem is coaching isn’t there but you also need the raw material of talent. The problem is like most things in America, when people make money from a bad idea, it is near impossible to stop. People make money from the pay to play system, so they will never get rid of it, despite it clearly making the USA a weaker soccer nation. There is a reason it took America to have a civil war to end slavery, has weak gun laws and no universal healthcare making money trumps doing the morally right thing.
@@JJ-nu8qi75% of Americans agree there should tougher gun laws, but because the NRA lobby and bribe American politicians on both sides, no strong gun laws have been introduced because the NRA feel tougher legislation will hurt gun sales.
@@mrbubblebuns3994 I know education in the USA is very poor compared to other developed nations, but are you seriously claiming the civil war had nothing to do with slavery? My word, what right wing politician approved your history books as a child?
Coaching is the problem that comes at youth from both sides. On the one hand, you have the high school system and most of the coaches are not well trained. The other side of it is the clubs where you have a coaching culture that talks down the American game, placing an artificial ceiling on development of their players. The rub is the high school coaches who seek more training will be trained by those club coaches and will then perpetuate that culture.
The computer field can teach us a lot about the problems in the American soccer pipeline. The process can't produce a good product when the raw materials used are substandard. It's GIGO.
Playing Youth Soccer in the '70's our coaches were "off the boat" real soccer players. Now we have parent coaches (with a license) who NEVER played at a significant level and getting PAID. They NEVER get fired, zero overview of coaches! JUST A FREE FOR ALL MONEY MAKING MACHINE.
I have lived for almost two decades across the street from a large playfield and except for the few times when teachers from a nearby school forced their kids play, never once did any kids in the area use any of the field for a game. By the way, I live 1-kilometer from the border with a major inner city and about 100-meters from a bus stop. Unfortunately, in the USA there is very little interest in the sport outside of organized suburban pay -to-play leagues.
I was born in Argentina. Back there we start playing 5 man soccer at 5yo at local neighborhood clubs. When you are about 10yo you age out and you have to go try out at the big club’s youth programs to start playing 11 man soccer. Every single professional club has a youth academy, if you get picked, then you go through the academy until you become pro or you don’t. The problem here is that the MLS teams dont have youth academies. Everything is very randomly put together. In argentina is not about how much money your parents have its about talent. You dont pay through your time in the youth academies. If you have the talent they develop you with the hope you will become a pro, that includes meals and in some cases when kids come from afar they have boarding schools within the Clubs. The problem in the USA has nothing to do with politics or race or any of that. I get so tired of people blaming everything on race or money. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS NO PRO FOOTBALL RELEGATION SYSTEM OR YOUTH ACADEMIES. There is absolutely no soccer system. The MLS is just a entertainment league. Start looking at Argentina and Brazil youth systems thats where the money is at. Argentina and Brazil are geographically big countries like the USA. The results are on the table. Brazil has 5 WC Argentina has 3. Argentina has about 6 U20 WC and we have produced some of the most talented players to ever played the game. Argentina’s GDP is terrible and we still are able to produce some of the best players in the world. I encourage you to go down to those two countries and study the youth academy system. I believe the USA has everything needed to be a Soccer Powerhouse. It just needs to be developed and it needs to be investing.
Argentina is the best example right now of how a coach can improve a team. and even a team with the goat. if the USA doesn't use that FACT to our advantage then we're doomed! I loved seeing Scaloni work his magic the last 2 years!
@@estebanparodi-mr1ne MLS Next is their version of that, it's $5000 a year to play 8-10 games against the other next teams, and they are awful teams, they are so bad they aren't allowed to play state cup...it's a joke
@@mrbubblebuns3994 Relegation will not work in the USA. There are limited fan bases, TV & other media will refuse to provide any coverage and until there is a sufficient culture like that in other parts of the world (perhaps in 20-30 years) implementing relegation would mean the death of the American leagues. At the present, MLS depends entirely on wealthy individuals and media coverage to allow it to exist. If you are a fan from Europe, and you have interest in, say American lacrosse, how do you start a league where only a handful of people care about the sport, hardly any billionaires or millionaires want to fund your teams, and where the local media have no interest in covering your game? Right now, unless the local team is doing well, the local fans do not support it thru bad times which means with relegation a team does not get a chance to be better, it would just fold and within a couple of years the entire league. This has already happened three times already and MLS is so far, thanks to no relegation, been able to survive and grow.
As a Leeds United fan, I miss JM. I love his style of play and I honestly believe we would still be in the premier League if we had kept this man. But we have the 49'ers takeover official so I'm super excited! MOT until I die
The progress made by Bielsa was trashed by Marsch. He even ripped the heart of the training centre and replaced rest accommodation with a media centre. Side before self - he was not. Moving in the right direction again but relegation was a heavy price to pay.
Okay first of all, I do want to say I'm very excited since the 49'ers take over and Paraag's interview was awesome. Marcelo was going to get us relegated boys. Jesse saved us on the last day. What happened after Jesse left? Javier and Big Sam were horrible, not Jessie. We would still be in the premier League if we didn't fire JM. My opinion, now piss off and let's get our ass back up on the first asking.
I’d find another sport Princess! He tactics were absolutely woeful, playing narrow, running around like 12 year olds and the players weren’t fit! He was full of it, never shut up rattling! You can’t make ice cream out of bull shite! He tried, glad the clown is gone. mot⚽️
The biggest issue in America is that MLS wants to run only its way... they should be absolutely working WITH USL to build soccer. Create the Tiers and build teams all over. USL is doing it, but MLS is trying to push them out
The quiet part out loud: “The US NEEDS RELEGATION” Evidenced in his mentioning of: the Dutch have 7 levels, England has 11 - meanwhile US college players stay stagnant …. Relegation, relegation, relegation, MLS stakes aren’t real, it’s the reason baseball and basketball have lost the interest of so many viewers: “player management” 👎 for 2/3rds of a season😵💫😵💫 So what happens in MLS? Bc there is no natural “waterfall” , the MLS opts to get foreign players rather than trusting their own…. All to put the MLS’s self preservation first before players and the country’s representation on international tournaments….
Right now the US gets its 3rd/4th tier athletes in soccer. We have to get the top athletes to think its viable option for them. Right now its mostly a suburban sport with little option for poor kids. Imagine if the world operated like that. There would be no messi or ronaldo. Neither one of them could have afforded to play here growing up.
The reason you are not good enough is because of all the coaching. American kids need to play with their peers without any adult supervision.........that's how they will learn the game, their strengths and weaknesses will be exposed, and they will figure out what skills they need to work on by themselves. The more you organize the more you will stifle the players. I know parents are not going to like it, but you can't coach and organize your way to success in the areas where it really counts.
Limiting the pool of players because of cost and the lower I.Q. of American developmental coaches are the main reasons we don’t grow as a soccer nation. America rewards mediocrity.
LOL, what all of you don’t seem to realize is that in the USA, academies by professional teams need very special teaching exemptions from standard US law. It is ILLEGAL for any child age 10-thru-16 year-old not to be in a regular middle/high school or certified home school program. This stems from the high number of dropouts/ school truancy issues in 1980s & 1990s. A youth program like those in Europe would shut down, those in charge might be arrested, and the parents fine up to $1,500 with the possibility of having their kids taken away from them. Therefore, US sport academies cost a LOT of money to operate to meet the school standards. No one in the US is going to pay for a bunch of kids to attend without getting something in return - hence pay-to-play!
It’s a shame Jesse talked so much of how lower levels in European football allow for talent to flow upward and yet mentioned nothing about USL, NISA, other lower leagues, or the US adopting Pro/Rel, which would help a lot with our youth development
Jesse, don’t ever go back to the Prem. The German style of coaching doesn’t work there. I’m sure you’ve seen that by now. You should try your craft in Spain. While they aren’t as physical, they are always open to tactical experimentation. Their technical abilities will also be less of a headache
@@johnmurzycki5148 that’s the only example people have these days. Name 5 other coaches who put a stamp on the Prem. Klopp is a complete anomaly. If you say Tuchel too, I’m going to laugh at you
@@Warum.2439klopp is special and generational just fact. There will never be a manager like him in the next century. With the way he plays and what he brings. Think about it. He goes to struggling banter clubs and make them look world class. Dortmund were 11th on the brink of bankruptcy. He came in and made them compete and even beat Bayern to some league trophies. Now they banter again. Same thing with liverpool. They slip and banter also would be prone to fighting with relegation(look at what happened with leister after they held on to that same guy for to long). Then klopp comes in and starts winning. Truly special. Trust me once klopp leaves liverpool they’ll be relegated if they keep those owners😂
@@sushipizza4439how do you go from saying a bunch of straight facts, to completely ruining everything by saying FSG without Klopp would relegate Liverpool. That’s insane
No shot he pulled ODP outta the bag 😂 that program was such a joke and the regional/national camps were so annoying to go to. “Hey guys! Premier talents, go hang out in the old dorm rooms with 0 AC in the middle of the summer, first sessions in 10!”
Would you not say that the MLS is failing to produce players due to the lack of meaningful games? There is no risk and reward. If they would follow the same suit as every other league in the world and have relegation and promotion then it might harden out a few more gems. Maybe then it will stop being seen as a retirement league
@@davidorourke8101 It's just MLS not the MLS. You're basically saying "The Major League Soccer". Sorry - but that drives me crazy. Promotion and relegation will never work in the US in any sport. Just because Europe does it, does not mean that we have to do it.
@@mrbubblebuns3994 Shouldn't all games be meaningful? One of the reasons MLS seems less intense is because there is no scrutiny of the players, not because there is no relegation. Major sports media here in the states don't even mention MLS. There are no tv shows entirely dedicated to talking about MLS players or the matches on big sports media. Players can go out in public after a humiliating loss - if they are even recognized - without being mobbed or threatened. I'm sure they all want to win and hate losing. But the intensity is lacking because no one really cares about MLS. Americans aren't into it, Europeans and wanna be Europeans think it's a joke, and we all know how everyone South of the border feels about it. The league is still growing and it needs to be profitable to become relevant in our sports market.
@@mrbubblebuns3994 Relegation will not work in the USA. There are limited fan bases, TV & other media will refuse to provide any coverage and until there is a sufficient culture like that in other parts of the world (perhaps in 20-30 years) implementing relegation would mean the death of the American leagues. At the present, MLS depends entirely on wealthy individuals and media coverage to allow it to exist. If you are a fan from Europe, and you have interest in, say American lacrosse, how do you start a league where only a handful of people care about the sport, hardly any billionaires or millionaires want to fund your teams, and where the local media have no interest in covering your game? Right now, unless the local team is doing well, the local fans do not support it thru bad times which means with relegation a team does not get a chance to be better, it would just fold and within a couple of years the entire league. This has already happened three times already and MLS is so far, thanks to no relegation, been able to survive and grow.
It doesn't matter how technical a coach is, but his man management and motivational skills are vitallly important. Most professional players are already highly skilled otherwise they wouldn't be in the squad. You have to give them belief and get them to want to run through brick walls for you and their teammates.
They go hand in hand and Marsch is a great example of that. Clearly a decent guy and the players at Leeds obviously liked him. Tactically was no where near the level required for the Prem.
To focus only on the MLS when talking about US soccer development, especially for young players, and not mention the USL at all is to show you're clueless.
Jesse is great communicator no doubt, its sincere, its questionable that he can deliver as a coach -He didn't get that while at Leeds, the patterns was obvious and his players performed the same over again. His overly positive take I think takes away from what he missed on the field. Criticism is necessary and it is not negative but made negative by insecure self esteem. USA is mediocrity and does not like criticism, USA needs relegation, it fits the culture. The standard of american soccer is exposed when back up players of the national team cant deliver against small countries like panama. That is not a negative take against panama... The national team should be having matches against brazil, argentina, urguay, chile but simply they arent. As american you must love competition but USSF is avoiding it.
I do agree with much of your statement, but that team that Panama took out in pens had a good percentage of players who aren't even backups... well down, closer to 4,5,6 on the depth chart. GK Matt Turner is the only top player as he mostly sits at Arsenal and needs reps. It's actually a good sign though. Historically we had only a few top stars playing in Europe, but now have a good number of young players/backups are actually making European rosters and are not available to be released. Getting to be where very few MLS players will make the top 23. None of the starting 11. Nation's League came about and killed that tournament being played right before GC, actually being synced w/ the international calendar. US Soccer has chosen to emphasize it, so Gold Cup has no priority for our program except to perhaps find a diamond in the rough down the food-chain. Fortunately U.S.A. will be in the next Copa playing the exact teams you mentioned. 100% need to do that permanently.
I'm assuming this interview was ironic. Virtually every single player at Leeds regressed during his time there other than some of the U-21's who weren't directly under him. He was a constant stream of empty corporate motivational blather and was completely found out. I'm an American and a fan of the USMNT as well as Leeds but this is not the guy.
If America did the same thing they did il in Europe we would likely be one of the best teams on the world but many many many talents don’t see the sport as an option, for many it really isn’t.
There is no player development problem, there has been good,steady, demonstrable progress with player development. There is a HUGE problem with COACHING development, meaning, our coaches, for the most part suck! Until the b.s. nepotism, and blatantly crap politics end at the top ends, this will go on,and on
i disagree with Jesse's philosophy when it comes to player development... Tracking people's race and zip code where they grew up??? But that's my personal opinion. I'm pretty sure he used to root for freddy adu
I was never really a fan of JM Red Bull style of play , but next to Gregg , he's like Pep Guardiola. I cant believe the USMNT didnt take him when he was available
He’s not hes a Tony Robbins replacement hes not a football coach
The hatred on Gregg has reached delusional cult-like status. JM was terrible at Leeds but you want him to lead the USMNT? GTFO
He has a lot of the same flaws as 3G tbh. He's very much stuck on a very rigid system. Picks favorites who play into his system. And has shown an inability to make good tactical adjustments ingame.
same
the unfortunate politics of us club soccer are the biggest reason that the usmnt is not a world power . the talent is here. the organizations suffers from nepotism, classism, and overly expensive club fees
BASED
Classism 100%
Totally agree even in my sons grade 4 team, the a team is very collegial and closed off and very conceded, getting my son from the c team to even the b team is impossible even though he scores in every game. The best players are not able to get the best coaching because the best coaching goes to the most popular families in town.
The best way to get noticed for at least a decade now has been MLS sponsored local leagues and academies which are practically free. Granted you need to be a kid in an urban area to benefit from that though.
100%. I remember watching the MLS documentary on Eddie Johnson the African American US international and I as a British person was appalled by what he had to go through as a working class black kid to be a soccer player in the USA, opened my eyes to everything wrong with US soccer and why they will never be a contender in soccer. He loved soccer and his friends who he met through pick up soccer asked him to join their travel team. This amateur kids team had huge fees to join, pointing out that the best academies the world don’t charge kids to play in them, Johnson was by far the best kid in his trial, so the so the coach because he was the best player in the team, decided to waver the fees out of charity because he was from a single parent working class family and couldn’t afford the fees. But the other wealthy parents on the team wanted him off the team because they didn’t think it was fair he didn’t have to pay and used to insult and harass his mother when she came to games because she was a working class single mother. This story horrified me because it showed me soccer in the USA had country club snobbery and what working class black kids had to go through to be soccer players and rely on charity of individual coaches and not their talent. It is even worse in the female game with no free academies and I know the USWNT are patting themselves on the back for the new diversity in the team, but they still aren’t class diverse because most of the black players in the team come from privileged backgrounds too.
I’m very grateful that he kept us up his first season, though I do think it was a bit much and too soon. Genuinely really liked him as a coach and he seemed like a good, normal, down to earth guy. Always great w fans and I’ve seen nothing but good spoken of those who have seen him in the community. Honestly hope he succeeds and does well for himself.
Frankly, I think he would have been a great appointment now (if/when we got relegated).
I mean bielsa couldn't keep you guys up. What was Jesse gonna do. Leeds problems are bigger than a coach. But the coach will constantly be punished for those problems.
@@rakim126 yeah..... complete negligence by the board in not getting in a striker and keeping that back line YEARS after it was very clear they weren't close to PL level. Sooo many chances wasted and soooo many mental lapses on the defensive end. Jesse wasn't perfect but NO ONE was going to keep that side up. Can only run on blood and guts and fight for so long. Trying to do just that, Leeds literally ran the horse into the ground. I don't think the red bull system is sustainable over the long haul, even throughout an entire match really, but one thing you can't deny is all that the fight and scrappiness they had under Jesse was gone when he left. Once Adams went down, it was a done deal.
@@rakim126 the board didnt support bielsa with new transfers, bielsa didn't want new guys in janruary - hence bielsa never chose to adapt his defensive system thus Leeds got worked time again.
@@ricopo3522 Jesse brought in wingers and midfielders - one of the reasons why they didn't get a striker. He was not defensive minded and that was exposed once teams figured out how to beat Leeds. Same thing happened to bielsa. The team bought in, alot of close losses and draws but no offensive production that was consistent enough to keep Leeds afloat when Marsch was a coach.
@@keenanvanzile JM directly stated a real need, asked for defenders and a striker early in his first transfer window and was obviously told to shut up by the director or board as his tone changed- wouldn't speak specifics after the next day. Was striking and not a good sign to me at the time as it pointed to a lack of clout, influence at the club which is never good for a manager.
Frankly, I don't much care for his/the RB system, he's far from a defensive guru, however- have to say their defense though not great was much tighter under him than Bielsa, Gracia and Big Sam and the numbers aren't even close.
@12:30 - I am very glad that this is being discussed. We need more and better coaches. It is so painfully obvious, particularly when you look at the ratios of most other Footballing nations. But I get it. It is a very complex issue. Just pleased to see it out in the open, being discussed by great Americans. Courage!
I've been a player n coach in the US for many years. You do need great players but you do need to have the knowledge. For example, everyone has been taught to lean forward in order to keep your shot on frame. It's not necessary because your stance isn't what makes the ball go up. I can put power n keep the ball on frame pretty much a 100% of the time. Your foot n what u do at the point of contact is what makes the ball rise. I can prove it because it's just physics n geometry n I can do it with both feet. The coach is significant as well. I switch player's positions all the time because it helps the players n team be more effective. I switched a player from mid to center forward n he began to score in almost every game. I've switched players from forward to defense n now those players are playing in that position in NWSL n MLS. It's not just about athleticism, it's also about the knowledge. I'm not trying to be Mr. know it all, just helping with the information I know.
Not to compare too much, but listening to Marsch, his football acumen is so much higher then who USSF hired. That "extensive search" must have skipped asking the Xs and Os questions.
The "extensive search" used data prepared by Berhalter. So guess who the data spat out as best candidate?
Conflicting interests are the only interests at USSF.
He coached all the quality out of the players at Leeds.
I was at that game in santa clara. Inaugural game. Eric Wynalda game winner for the Clash. He was at the time USA best attacker. That team produced eddie lewis. Great left back for US. Fans were already here.
I was behind the net in 35th row at the Home Opener of the 1994 World cup when Wynalda scored the tying goal against Switzerland. It was very emotional!!!
@@Mike-px8rc that's crazy. I was at the 94 game at Stanford when tab Ramos was sent off for tackle on Leonardo of Brazil. Man that's whe US realized our generation would LOVE this game!
The system has come a LONG way since the pre Beckham MLS arrival though. 2006 there wasnt even a reserve league. You get cut from an MLS team, you are playing in a pay to play city league in the hood in LA. After Beckham and the influx of $$$ into MLS, all teams had a reserve team. This country has made the MOST improvement out of any other nation in their soccer development in the past 20 years.
I never thought about it that much he brought a good point about bigger faster players get priority at young age. They dont really develop that much skill and a lot of late developers change sports.
Very good interview
He is 100000% correct. The problem in this country isn't even the player pool, it's the coaching. I truly believe that. This goes all the way down to local clubs. America needs an identity as far as football, just like almost every other nation has an identity.
Get the NCAA out of it, with the stupid rules. They are holding back the progress of soccer players in this country.
Lies again? Serie A Leader AMWF CAR
Ireland identify is hurling or rugby. Or hope the pub will open soon😋🤣
It is hard to see how fast development is growing in this country and think it needs to be "fixed". It is still growing snd developing but MLS sells to Europe more every year and we see homegrowns in the Allstar game and in important roles on many teams in the league. We are definitely heading in the right direction.
Yes the US has produced good players over the years and had some good results at World Cups, but then so do lots of countries. Making a great team out of those players to really challenge the very best is another story.
He nailed it. Level of coaching experience in the US is young. And not due to coaching education, I believe that a great coach needs to have high level playing experience. And a good understanding of priorities in development. Another big factor in our system is pay to play. Thousands of youth players in the inner cities end up playing in local youth leagues due to the costs and travel commitment of the more organized leagues. We are starting to see MLS youth academies recruit these players and give them a chance. I believe that in 10-20 years, US will be commutative with the best teams in the world.
As a Leeds fan I have to say I miss this beautiful man 😢
hit ur head on a wall then think about it again
@@bigt6665 there's a lot of false narrative about him . he's the only coach at leeds to get Rodrigo, Summerville and Gnonto playing well and many more
You are not a real Leeds fan then, he is a clown.
Great interview. As a youth coach, I love this discussion. Does this pretty much confirm the Play-Practice-Play model that USSF employs? There's a massive amount of content going the other way of more technique, drill-based models.
The crossover we’ve always needed is finally here
Part of the problem is over coaching, lack of real love and grit in the sport in the US. Go to any public/free basketball court in any major US city and you’ll see the love, creativity, street hierarchy of players that you see with futbol in Latin America or Europe etc. we lack that. We have perfectly manicured fields, pay to play club teams, coaches that micromanage everything and the parents use the sport to compete for schollies to prestigious private colleges etc. it’s a joke really!
Rusty Aaronson, father of Brenden and Paxton Aaronson hits on this point in the next episode!
I'm becoming more and more tempted to just start organising weekly or bi-weekly pick-up 5v5 or 7v7 tournaments. I have first hand experience with its popularity and appeal both in urban and rural areas within the US. People show up, teams are assigned, and an organizer organizes. All you have to do is get a few players/coaches from the local D1 college team/semi-pro/pro team to volunteer their mentorship and you'll start developing more talent per week than any "prestigious" US paytoplay club. Not to mention you'll be able to scout upcoming talent as they bloom. It's cheap, it's fun, it's good for community.
@@kirkwoodbharris5110 I have lived for almost two decades across the street from a large playfield and except for the few times when teachers from a nearby school forced their kids play, never once did any kids in the area use any of the field for a game. By the way, I live 1-kilometer from the border with a major inner city about 100-meters from a bus stop. Unfortunately, in the USA there is very little interest in the sport outside of organized suburban pay -to-play leagues. I bet if you do start 5v5 games you will very quickly find out just how much $$$ you will have to fork over out of your own pocket for insurance because American parents LOVE to sue people for the smallest things.
The levels in the streets in South America can be really impressive. The futsal in the amateur courts can be quite brilliant. I remember watching a pick up game on a small court in the shadow of the bombonara…. No joke no smokescreens.
I often pass by youth training sessions while I'm out exercising. I'll stop to watch a little but always end up watching a bunch of kids standing around listening to a coach explain a drill. Finally after they get set up and start playing i realize how much time has been wasted for a really stupid drill. Its frustrating to watch knowing the kids would be so much better off with a simple small sided game...
How are they going to learn technique? Just by playing?
@@damianquijada9455 I believe technique is best learned by repeated and high number of touches on the ball, and often on one's own time (eg juggling, kicking a ball against wall, messing around with friends). The instruction portion of learning technique is very brief. What gets me is that the drills are soo underwhelming for the amount of time the kids spend standing around listening and waiting. Kids shouldn't be standing around for technical training. If it were tactical drills, that would make sense but it often seems like coaches are just trying to appease paying parents by doing drills instead of simply organising games
I have lived for almost two decades across the street from a large playfield and except for the few times when teachers from a nearby school forced their kids play, never once did any kids in the area use any of the field for a game. By the way, I live 1-kilometer from the border with a major inner city and about 100-meters from a bus stop. Unfortunately, in the USA there is very little interest in the sport outside of organized suburban pay -to-play leagues.
The root problem of U.S. soccer starts at the youth club level. Coaches coach to win and fail to teach fundamentals. It is expected that the kids will magically learn on their own. Next, few coaches actually coach tactics and even worst do not coach roles associated with each position. I’ve watched several hundred youth games during the past 5 years and witnessed any number of “academy” teams that use a primitive kick and chase style of soccer. There are strikers who refuse to mark or Harass any defenders and there are midfielders who view their position as a strictly offensive one. Add the specter of whining parents and coaches who often bend to the parents and you have today’s U.S. soccer.
So why do American woman do so well at international soccer. Why can the man be just as good.
@@michaelpower4372 The U.S. women were 20 years ahead of the World in adapting to soccer although their on field fundamentals were rough and poor at best. Frankly, the rest of the world has caught up to the U.S., the game quality has improved dramatically and there are fully a dozen teams that could win the current Women’s World Cup. The U.S. men’s team fundamentals are woefully poor with maybe 3-4 exceptions. Klinsmann had the right idea and was able to have 6-8 U.S. players play in Europe, but they need more like 16-20 playing in quality teams. Current U.S. team doesn’t have that quality of individual to play in Europe.
@@michaelpower4372
Because sports in the US is tied to schools unlike in most other nations and schools are forced to spend equal between men and women(good, I agree with this obviously). So there has been funding for soccer for women for a long time in the US.
In Europe female soccer teams were mostly people playing ball in their free time after school or work for fun. There was nothing funding it.
Like, there are European countries(male) that play bakers and electricians in their national team. They don't win against professionals either.
Basically, it's like as if there would be a world cup for American football. Most countries would field a bunch of amateurs who go and play with friends once or twice a week.
Obviously a lot has changed since 10 years or so and Europe will likely easily outcompete the US because Europe can just apply what they know about the men's game in the medium future.
When I was 10(around 2001) we had a girl in our team of boys. But once we gained muscle she could obviously no longer compete, got hurt a lot and quit. She had no place to go to play soccer with girls basically.
I'd seen the twitter account but not seen the podcast/RUclips channel until Wrexham's arrival.
Rog seems lovely even if he reminds me a bit of Peston as his questions can be a bit on the long side.
Jesse really engaging, I must say + I love he says Football but I am from 🏴.
I am new to this podcast but I love the way the interviewer looks stoned during the interview.
You need great players and great coaches to win the World Cup. We're ignoring half of it.
Great coaches don't want to coach national teams
@@ewmagency Everyone is great compared to Berhalter.
we turned down patrick viera, actually not replying to him when he was interrested. We wasted 6 months to just return to Berhalter. We have the most talent on this national team, but the coach does not help us advance to a winning era
wdym Berhalter passed the test of AP Quantum Physics
excellent interview, kudos!
Spark Notes: We need to work WITH other cultures rather than trying to outdo them.
That's a big hurdle for American culture in general. I think Messi playing in Florida for Beckham is a sign things are going in the right direction. 2026 is gonna boost the hell out of all this that's been building since 1994.
By 16 in Europe they know if they're good enough to be professional soccer player or not, at least within the top 3 or 4 divisions of their league. Some are late bloomers and don't "get good" until their early/mid-20s (ref: Kante). Its a larger topic that can't be addressed in a RUclips comments section but promotion/relegation would help the MLS/US Soccer so much. The franchise model doesn't work because now development is bound to solely those cities or states.
There are only 18 states with an MLS team. I guess the kids in the other 32 states are just s.o.l. So much unfound talent or quality players that never got a chance to develop properly because they stopped playing after high school or maybe even the college level and then "found a job".
I don't know about now, but back in the day, there was a wide network of baseball scouts seemingly everywhere who covered little league on up. If a kid had talent, it was noticed and reported. Kids playing baseball was as ubiquitous as football in the rest of the world. Do we have anything equivalent now for football in the US for spotting talent in low-population areas?
I guess the kids in the other 32 states are just s.o.l.
I live in one of those 32 states. The local club here is affiliated with the closest MLS team. I doubt that is uncommon.
That's why PA Union introduced the residential program, to house players from out of state. RB is building facilities with residential buildings to house young athletes while they train. They also offer schooling.
The United States has more than one soccer league. Which means more cities than you think have a football club. USL has two divisions. Two other leagues exist outside the MLS/next and USL.
@@shawnharrison9701 But they don't have academies. That's what was mentioned on the video, opportunities for kids to get top notch training is only happening in the MLS academies.
Seeing Jesse bring up basketball, it's worth noting that there's a lot of room to criticize how this country develops basketball players as well. The best basketball player in the world isn't an American. Roughly half of the top 20 players in the world are _not_ Americans. 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in this year's NBA MVP voting were all players born and raised outside of the United States. That's crazy given our population and inherent structural advantages in that sport.
The best baseball player in the world isn't an American either. I think it's worth considering that the problem American soccer is having might not _solely_ be a soccer problem, but more generally an American approach to athletics problem.
Only half the top-20 players are from the 4% of the world population. No soccer country has that kind of reach. It is just possible that the other countries have improved some in basketball
Dont know if this is the case nowadays in the US with MLS or USL clubs, but if you look at the 'big' nations in Europe and South America, one thing they have done for decades is to get kids in to pro club priogrammes from a young age. For example, Messi joined his first one aged 6 yrs old. At Ajax its 7. That doesnt mean they are pro players but this connection helps them develop as they grow working with licensed coaches. And at a local level, they have a network of smaller 'feeder' clubs and schools as a pipeline to scout the talent. In the US you cannot really run football like you do with other sports, through the college system because by then its too late. Its not about being an 'athlete' either. Speed and strength will only get you so far.
Should hv kept jesse at leeds he would hv kept us up
Marsch could learn how to use the whole pitch and not just the centre
We price out so many kids here in USA 🇺🇸
The problem is this: American professional sportas have outsourced their youth programs to public schools and random youth programs. They save tons of money by doing this, but the product suffers, because there really aren't competitive standards for most youth soccer programs. Especially the ones affiliated with a school
This doesn't matter for the NFL, because they're not competing with teams in other countries. But in soccer, our system is crap. Each MLS team needs to have it's own youth development program to develop talent
LOL, what all of you don’t seem to realize is that in the USA, academies by professional teams need very special teaching exemptions from standard US law. It is ILLEGAL for any child age 10-thru-16 year-old not to be in a regular middle/high school or certified home school program. This stems from the high number of dropouts/ school truancy issues in 1980s & 1990s. A youth program like those in Europe would shut down, those in charge might be arrested, and the parents fine up to $1,500 with the possibility of having their kids taken away from them. Therefore, US sport academies cost a LOT of money to operate to meet the school standards. No one in the US is going to pay for a bunch of kids to attend without getting something in return - hence pay-to-play!
@@gregorybiestek3431 facepalm. You're missing the point.
We have private travel soccer clubs already. MLS teams save money by allowing High Schools and private clubs do the training. The MLS league and clubs are the ones that should be doing the development. They are profiting off of the development being done at schools and private clubs by saving money.
It's all about profit
@@eldenbling2615 Obvious you did not read my full post. I am exactly stating that everything in the USA is about PROFIT! either you cannot see that saying the same thing as you or else you must be one of those people who got participation trophies through-out your education. I feel sorry for your lack of cognition and understanding.
LOL. And what YOU don't seem to realise,Greg, is that kids in Clubs Academies also go to public schools. They still get educated FFS.
Your post is insanely dumb!!
I honestly didn’t think we had an American coach who was well decorated and coached in Europe, but to find out about this guy today and to know the US Football federation didn’t hire him over Berhalter just means that The US federation doesn’t care enough to reach our potential.
Not discussed is the biggest weakness in Concafab, nevertheless US soccer.
The Referees.
From what I've seen of the MLS, the referees are much better than the standard for the majority of the region, but you see Concafab style refs in College level games regular. When you get to the youth levels, you are lucky to even get that level of ref, as much of them are parents drafted into trying to control a game they don't know the rules of.
This makes coaches that already tend to favor the big strong kids over the smaller kids focus even more on the big kids, because a young Messi would spend 90% of his time on the ground in a US youth soccer match and would likely only get a call about once every 20 times he was fouled.
The fix for our youth development is coaches being ethical enough to tell parents that their kids aren't good enough to go pro or get a college scholarship when the situation warrants. This would strip away 95% of the players in our pay to pay system and allow the good coaches that we have to focus on the best players. Fewer players would mean that only the best coaches would survive which would provide a huge incentive for coaches to improve. This, of course, is unlikely to happen because convincing the soccer establishment to behave ethically would cost them lots and lots of money, because conning parents int paying high fees for something that will yield no gain is how those within the system prosper.
How is this guy not our national team coach right now?
He may not want it. Personally, I think its a larger challenge to be a European football manager than manager of the US national team. The US doesn't play any tough matches until the World Cup. They're overrated because of how weak CONCACAF is.
Literally every weekend at Leeds, and during his time in Austria/Germany, was a make or break weekend.
@@AkersJohnExactly right. Any team will win if their opponent is Martinique or Guadeloupe or St Kitts and Nevis, and these are the USMNT's opponents in tournaments. Like, the U.S had a friendly match against Japan and they lost 2-0. In the post-match interview, the U.S coach complained how competitive the Japanese team was. It boggled my mind.
The bottom screen subhead here is about our best athletes playing the sport. We won't have that without equivalent coaching talent, ability, and humanity. Maybe Beckham bringing us Messi might speed things up a generation or two.
Ted Lasso isn't hurting us, either, working on some level as promotion/propaganda. I'm not the most avid podcast listener ever, but I'm a little curious as to whether Men in Blazers, ESPN, NBC, FOX, or anyone else has remarked on this as a phenomenon.
@@KingOfTheLabYes, how would the US ever survive playing such mighty opponents as Gibraltar, Malta and Andorra (all ranked below SKN by Fifa). Yes, Concacaf is a bit top heavy, but 1) it's not like UEFA doesn't have it's share of creampuffs and 2) historically, Concacafs performances at the world cup, in terms of advancement to the knockout stages, has justified the number of berths they get.
All vibes & absolutely no idea how to coach Leeds players & fans couldn’t wait to see back of him 🤦🏽♂️
I swear Rog is high AF in this interview 😂
so, I just had a child and would like to make sure i position him to have the most opportunity to succeed in what ever he chooses. if that happens to be Soccer, where are those resources being poured into that JM mentioned? i dont want to be in a spot where no one is looking or investing..
did not mention usl which is on the rise i find the usl championship on you tube a good watch
Imo was a bad appointment for us (leeds), but was always a good bloke it seemed and was respectful. All the best, Jesse.
He trashed Bielsa.
@@clivet3252 yeah i forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. Fucked up. Bielsa forever. Dunno what marsch was thinking.
@@mengsou Radz said he hired Jesse because his tactics and training were similar to Bielsa's and the first thing he did was trash Bielsa's tactics and training. We ended up with all the bad things we had under Bielsa and none of the good things. Maybe he was similar to Bielsa and just didn't have the confidence to stick to his principles because Bielsa had been sacked. The best thing about Bielsa was his strength of character.
Off-topic but did you guys know that Forest Green Rovers (League Two) appointed a female head coach as caretaker? Her name is Hannah Dingley. She would make for an interesting interview, yes?
have just appointed a new manager from southampton male
As long as American football, basketball, and baseball are the more popular sports in the US. US soccer will never reach Europe or S American status. I don't see American children playing 2 small goals soccer in the street or park. I don't see them juggling or developing individual skills. Little league baseball is very popular. I do see kids shooting baskets, and American football is massive. I love soccer, I played for many years. We need to just accept the fact that the US will never be a great soccer nation... But I hope I'm wrong.
Unsophisticated coaches is an understatement. We still have high schools that have gym teachers for coaches and self centered parents that coach only so their kid gets playing time
One of the other main reasons that the US is not with the rest of the world is it our very best athletes choose to play football, baseball, basketball, and hockey. That is where all the attention money fame and status are in the United states .
The problem is coaching isn’t there but you also need the raw material of talent. The problem is like most things in America, when people make money from a bad idea, it is near impossible to stop. People make money from the pay to play system, so they will never get rid of it, despite it clearly making the USA a weaker soccer nation. There is a reason it took America to have a civil war to end slavery, has weak gun laws and no universal healthcare making money trumps doing the morally right thing.
You might be right on some of this except guns. Guns are legal because millions of Americans like guns.
@@JJ-nu8qi75% of Americans agree there should tougher gun laws, but because the NRA lobby and bribe American politicians on both sides, no strong gun laws have been introduced because the NRA feel tougher legislation will hurt gun sales.
@@mrbubblebuns3994 I know education in the USA is very poor compared to other developed nations, but are you seriously claiming the civil war had nothing to do with slavery? My word, what right wing politician approved your history books as a child?
Just starting the video and Im hoping to hear Jesse explain how he failed the USSF's psychological test. lol
Coaching is the problem that comes at youth from both sides. On the one hand, you have the high school system and most of the coaches are not well trained. The other side of it is the clubs where you have a coaching culture that talks down the American game, placing an artificial ceiling on development of their players. The rub is the high school coaches who seek more training will be trained by those club coaches and will then perpetuate that culture.
Very disappointed we got Gregg instead of Jessie
The computer field can teach us a lot about the problems in the American soccer pipeline. The process can't produce a good product when the raw materials used are substandard. It's GIGO.
Playing Youth Soccer in the '70's our coaches were "off the boat" real soccer players. Now we have parent coaches (with a license) who NEVER played at a significant level and getting PAID. They NEVER get fired, zero overview of coaches! JUST A FREE FOR ALL MONEY MAKING MACHINE.
It's too slanted to upper middle-class, there's no Street ball, not enough Latino influence
I have lived for almost two decades across the street from a large playfield and except for the few times when teachers from a nearby school forced their kids play, never once did any kids in the area use any of the field for a game. By the way, I live 1-kilometer from the border with a major inner city and about 100-meters from a bus stop. Unfortunately, in the USA there is very little interest in the sport outside of organized suburban pay -to-play leagues.
I was born in Argentina. Back there we start playing 5 man soccer at 5yo at local neighborhood clubs. When you are about 10yo you age out and you have to go try out at the big club’s youth programs to start playing 11 man soccer. Every single professional club has a youth academy, if you get picked, then you go through the academy until you become pro or you don’t. The problem here is that the MLS teams dont have youth academies. Everything is very randomly put together. In argentina is not about how much money your parents have its about talent. You dont pay through your time in the youth academies. If you have the talent they develop you with the hope you will become a pro, that includes meals and in some cases when kids come from afar they have boarding schools within the Clubs.
The problem in the USA has nothing to do with politics or race or any of that. I get so tired of people blaming everything on race or money. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS NO PRO FOOTBALL RELEGATION SYSTEM OR YOUTH ACADEMIES. There is absolutely no soccer system. The MLS is just a entertainment league. Start looking at Argentina and Brazil youth systems thats where the money is at. Argentina and Brazil are geographically big countries like the USA. The results are on the table. Brazil has 5 WC Argentina has 3. Argentina has about 6 U20 WC and we have produced some of the most talented players to ever played the game. Argentina’s GDP is terrible and we still are able to produce some of the best players in the world. I encourage you to go down to those two countries and study the youth academy system. I believe the USA has everything needed to be a Soccer Powerhouse. It just needs to be developed and it needs to be investing.
Argentina is the best example right now of how a coach can improve a team. and even a team with the goat. if the USA doesn't use that FACT to our advantage then we're doomed! I loved seeing Scaloni work his magic the last 2 years!
pay to play....thats how it works here...riquelme tevez messi maradonna would never happen here in USA, their parents were broke...lol
@@dragsterairide4459 its just a matter of getting MLS teams to invest in that type of program. In the end its all about Benji.
@@estebanparodi-mr1ne MLS Next is their version of that, it's $5000 a year to play 8-10 games against the other next teams, and they are awful teams, they are so bad they aren't allowed to play state cup...it's a joke
@@mrbubblebuns3994 Relegation will not work in the USA. There are limited fan bases, TV & other media will refuse to provide any coverage and until there is a sufficient culture like that in other parts of the world (perhaps in 20-30 years) implementing relegation would mean the death of the American leagues. At the present, MLS depends entirely on wealthy individuals and media coverage to allow it to exist. If you are a fan from Europe, and you have interest in, say American lacrosse, how do you start a league where only a handful of people care about the sport, hardly any billionaires or millionaires want to fund your teams, and where the local media have no interest in covering your game? Right now, unless the local team is doing well, the local fans do not support it thru bad times which means with relegation a team does not get a chance to be better, it would just fold and within a couple of years the entire league. This has already happened three times already and MLS is so far, thanks to no relegation, been able to survive and grow.
As a Leeds United fan, I miss JM. I love his style of play and I honestly believe we would still be in the premier League if we had kept this man. But we have the 49'ers takeover official so I'm super excited! MOT until I die
Are you insane? He’s done untold damage to Leeds United. Tactically inept. Terrible signings. Awful system. Unfit team. He’s put us back years.
The progress made by Bielsa was trashed by Marsch. He even ripped the heart of the training centre and replaced rest accommodation with a media centre. Side before self - he was not. Moving in the right direction again but relegation was a heavy price to pay.
Okay first of all, I do want to say I'm very excited since the 49'ers take over and Paraag's interview was awesome. Marcelo was going to get us relegated boys. Jesse saved us on the last day. What happened after Jesse left? Javier and Big Sam were horrible, not Jessie. We would still be in the premier League if we didn't fire JM. My opinion, now piss off and let's get our ass back up on the first asking.
I’d find another sport Princess! He tactics were absolutely woeful, playing narrow, running around like 12 year olds and the players weren’t fit! He was full of it, never shut up rattling! You can’t make ice cream out of bull shite! He tried, glad the clown is gone. mot⚽️
The biggest issue in America is that MLS wants to run only its way... they should be absolutely working WITH USL to build soccer. Create the Tiers and build teams all over. USL is doing it, but MLS is trying to push them out
What do folks thk @ marsh as the usmnt coach? He engenders more confidence that Berhalter I thk…
American Soccer...where aggressive mediocrity is seen as a savior and worthy of a talk spot.
17:00 Mexican Americans are like - nah we support our grannies country.
what is this thing you're doing with your hands rog
How about just leave it alone! Rooney was tearing up up the MLS in his older retirement years ! Let that sink in
Staying as a soccer-hating country might save a lot of money and stresss.
The quiet part out loud:
“The US NEEDS RELEGATION”
Evidenced in his mentioning of: the Dutch have 7 levels, England has 11 - meanwhile US college players stay stagnant ….
Relegation, relegation, relegation, MLS stakes aren’t real, it’s the reason baseball and basketball have lost the interest of so many viewers: “player management” 👎 for 2/3rds of a season😵💫😵💫
So what happens in MLS? Bc there is no natural “waterfall” , the MLS opts to get foreign players rather than trusting their own…. All to put the MLS’s self preservation first before players and the country’s representation on international tournaments….
There ALWAYS been a Pro League to play in. Seria A, Bundesliga etc...
Marsch's biggest mistake was continuing to start Bamford at striker, god he was awful, and missed so many shots that would have helped keep Leeds up.
Right now the US gets its 3rd/4th tier athletes in soccer. We have to get the top athletes to think its viable option for them. Right now its mostly a suburban sport with little option for poor kids. Imagine if the world operated like that. There would be no messi or ronaldo. Neither one of them could have afforded to play here growing up.
The reason you are not good enough is because of all the coaching. American kids need to play with their peers without any adult supervision.........that's how they will learn the game, their strengths and weaknesses will be exposed, and they will figure out what skills they need to work on by themselves. The more you organize the more you will stifle the players. I know parents are not going to like it, but you can't coach and organize your way to success in the areas where it really counts.
If we couldn’t afford someone who coached in EU, JM should’ve gotten the job instead of GB
I’d argue we’re also not sophisticated enough from a parent perspective either…
Limiting the pool of players because of cost and the lower I.Q. of American developmental coaches are the main reasons we don’t grow as a soccer nation. America rewards mediocrity.
facts
LOL, what all of you don’t seem to realize is that in the USA, academies by professional teams need very special teaching exemptions from standard US law. It is ILLEGAL for any child age 10-thru-16 year-old not to be in a regular middle/high school or certified home school program. This stems from the high number of dropouts/ school truancy issues in 1980s & 1990s. A youth program like those in Europe would shut down, those in charge might be arrested, and the parents fine up to $1,500 with the possibility of having their kids taken away from them. Therefore, US sport academies cost a LOT of money to operate to meet the school standards. No one in the US is going to pay for a bunch of kids to attend without getting something in return - hence pay-to-play!
Very interesting but in the US you have to get past the parents
It’s a shame Jesse talked so much of how lower levels in European football allow for talent to flow upward and yet mentioned nothing about USL, NISA, other lower leagues, or the US adopting Pro/Rel, which would help a lot with our youth development
Pro/Rel?
@@lajohnson1ly Promotion and Relegation
@@myfasmarine well, duh. 🙂
@@lajohnson1ly 😀
yeah i like the usl championship it is a good watch
Gegen pressing scholar 😂😂😂😂😂
Jesse, don’t ever go back to the Prem. The German style of coaching doesn’t work there. I’m sure you’ve seen that by now. You should try your craft in Spain. While they aren’t as physical, they are always open to tactical experimentation. Their technical abilities will also be less of a headache
Jurgen Klopp did ok didn’t he?
@@johnmurzycki5148 that’s the only example people have these days. Name 5 other coaches who put a stamp on the Prem. Klopp is a complete anomaly. If you say Tuchel too, I’m going to laugh at you
@@Warum.2439klopp is special and generational just fact. There will never be a manager like him in the next century. With the way he plays and what he brings. Think about it. He goes to struggling banter clubs and make them look world class. Dortmund were 11th on the brink of bankruptcy. He came in and made them compete and even beat Bayern to some league trophies. Now they banter again. Same thing with liverpool. They slip and banter also would be prone to fighting with relegation(look at what happened with leister after they held on to that same guy for to long). Then klopp comes in and starts winning. Truly special. Trust me once klopp leaves liverpool they’ll be relegated if they keep those owners😂
@@sushipizza4439 yeah I was saying Klopp is special. Again, no one can name a manager with German background that’s done well in Prem besides Klopp
@@sushipizza4439how do you go from saying a bunch of straight facts, to completely ruining everything by saying FSG without Klopp would relegate Liverpool. That’s insane
No shot he pulled ODP outta the bag 😂 that program was such a joke and the regional/national camps were so annoying to go to. “Hey guys! Premier talents, go hang out in the old dorm rooms with 0 AC in the middle of the summer, first sessions in 10!”
Would you not say that the MLS is failing to produce players due to the lack of meaningful games? There is no risk and reward. If they would follow the same suit as every other league in the world and have relegation and promotion then it might harden out a few more gems. Maybe then it will stop being seen as a retirement league
Just MLS. Not "The MSL". And we don't really want to be European - our families left there for a reason.
With no promotion or relegation the MLS feels like it’s inches away from giving out participation trophies.
@@davidorourke8101 It's just MLS not the MLS. You're basically saying "The Major League Soccer". Sorry - but that drives me crazy.
Promotion and relegation will never work in the US in any sport.
Just because Europe does it, does not mean that we have to do it.
@@mrbubblebuns3994 Shouldn't all games be meaningful?
One of the reasons MLS seems less intense is because there is no scrutiny of the players, not because there is no relegation.
Major sports media here in the states don't even mention MLS.
There are no tv shows entirely dedicated to talking about MLS players or the matches on big sports media.
Players can go out in public after a humiliating loss - if they are even recognized - without being mobbed or threatened.
I'm sure they all want to win and hate losing. But the intensity is lacking because no one really cares about MLS.
Americans aren't into it, Europeans and wanna be Europeans think it's a joke, and we all know how everyone South of the border feels about it.
The league is still growing and it needs to be profitable to become relevant in our sports market.
@@mrbubblebuns3994 Relegation will not work in the USA. There are limited fan bases, TV & other media will refuse to provide any coverage and until there is a sufficient culture like that in other parts of the world (perhaps in 20-30 years) implementing relegation would mean the death of the American leagues. At the present, MLS depends entirely on wealthy individuals and media coverage to allow it to exist. If you are a fan from Europe, and you have interest in, say American lacrosse, how do you start a league where only a handful of people care about the sport, hardly any billionaires or millionaires want to fund your teams, and where the local media have no interest in covering your game? Right now, unless the local team is doing well, the local fans do not support it thru bad times which means with relegation a team does not get a chance to be better, it would just fold and within a couple of years the entire league. This has already happened three times already and MLS is so far, thanks to no relegation, been able to survive and grow.
How about ECNL? Wonder how Jessie feels about ECNL….
It doesn't matter how technical a coach is, but his man management and motivational skills are vitallly important. Most professional players are already highly skilled otherwise they wouldn't be in the squad. You have to give them belief and get them to want to run through brick walls for you and their teammates.
They go hand in hand and Marsch is a great example of that. Clearly a decent guy and the players at Leeds obviously liked him. Tactically was no where near the level required for the Prem.
To focus only on the MLS when talking about US soccer development, especially for young players, and not mention the USL at all is to show you're clueless.
Jesse makes Ted Lasso look like football genius !
Jesse is great communicator no doubt, its sincere, its questionable that he can deliver as a coach -He didn't get that while at Leeds, the patterns was obvious and his players performed the same over again. His overly positive take I think takes away from what he missed on the field. Criticism is necessary and it is not negative but made negative by insecure self esteem. USA is mediocrity and does not like criticism, USA needs relegation, it fits the culture. The standard of american soccer is exposed when back up players of the national team cant deliver against small countries like panama. That is not a negative take against panama... The national team should be having matches against brazil, argentina, urguay, chile but simply they arent. As american you must love competition but USSF is avoiding it.
I do agree with much of your statement, but that team that Panama took out in pens had a good percentage of players who aren't even backups... well down, closer to 4,5,6 on the depth chart. GK Matt Turner is the only top player as he mostly sits at Arsenal and needs reps. It's actually a good sign though. Historically we had only a few top stars playing in Europe, but now have a good number of young players/backups are actually making European rosters and are not available to be released. Getting to be where very few MLS players will make the top 23. None of the starting 11. Nation's League came about and killed that tournament being played right before GC, actually being synced w/ the international calendar. US Soccer has chosen to emphasize it, so Gold Cup has no priority for our program except to perhaps find a diamond in the rough down the food-chain. Fortunately U.S.A. will be in the next Copa playing the exact teams you mentioned. 100% need to do that permanently.
I'm assuming this interview was ironic. Virtually every single player at Leeds regressed during his time there other than some of the U-21's who weren't directly under him. He was a constant stream of empty corporate motivational blather and was completely found out. I'm an American and a fan of the USMNT as well as Leeds but this is not the guy.
Touché. Marsch is a communicator, a leader, but not a coach. MOT.
Bielsa gave the players confidence to play and Jesse took that out of them.
Jesse 2030
If America did the same thing they did il in Europe we would likely be one of the best teams on the world but many many many talents don’t see the sport as an option, for many it really isn’t.
Hahaha. Whaaaaat?
But lets not adapt to the English way of play.. we need to follow the German or Spanish/Italian way of play.
Stop saying RIGHT
So happy we got rid of him in Leeds, thank god 🙏
Worst manager Leeds ever had
Absolute fraud.
There is no player development problem, there has been good,steady, demonstrable progress with player development. There is a HUGE problem with COACHING development, meaning, our coaches, for the most part suck! Until the b.s. nepotism, and blatantly crap politics end at the top ends, this will go on,and on
The worst manager in Leeds history
i disagree with Jesse's philosophy when it comes to player development... Tracking people's race and zip code where they grew up??? But that's my personal opinion. I'm pretty sure he used to root for freddy adu
i lost all respect for jesse marsch no wonder he got sacked from Leeds
Great interview