It is entirely believable that she could have made a very nice smooth landing on the water without doing much damage to the aircraft at all and it would've gradually filled up and sank without breaking up. Anybody remember Sully and the 2009 crash of US Airways Flt 1549 into the Hudson River? He put that thing down so beautifully didn't damage it a bit and he did so with no engines. Amelia was an excellent and extremely experienced pilot so no doubt she may have pulled it off!
If they crashed fairly close to Howland Island, whether the plane would have settled fairly intact would have depended to a large degree on the sea conditions where they crashed. If the USS Itasca was close to the island, there s/b a publication recording the sea state the Itasca experienced at that time. In my mind, that would be another clue in whether or not this might be Earhart's plane.
Last thing I read was they were thought they heard a radio transmission from her after she had crashed now assuming she crashed on dry land somewhere that might explain the possible radio transmission but if she made a water landing I don't see how she's going to be able to make a radio transmission after the fact
@@pontiacfan76 she would have to have the left engine running in order to keep the battery charged so there for she did not crash, she landed with the plane intact this is the only way earheart could have used the radio between 2nd of July through the the 6th July, she landed on Gardner Iland on the reef
They said they're not going to and keep searching if it proves not to be her plane, and I think they've got the skills and technology to eventually find it regardless. Remember what Martin said, in spite of the common perception there have only been 5 actual searches of the waters by capable people with equipment that could handle it, it's only the islands that have been gone over inch by inch countless times.
Fantastic interview! My dad was Air Force and I have always held such an interest in all things aviation…. This is such a great and exciting development ! Amelia Earhart’s story has been so endearing . By the way…. 3rd graders in Texas are learning about Amelia Earhart! My grandson has quizzed me about her!
Many World War 2 U.S. Aircraft planes as well as Japanese planes were found in these very waters - Hopefully this is NOT one of them and is THE actual Amelia Earhart plane !
This is her plane...No other aircraft was ever reported missing in the area. In fact, not many aircraft have flown in the area...it is off the beaten track.
It's not her plane, they have 100% evidence she tried to make contact over the next 4 days. How could she have done that if this is her plane? Her Electra would have sunk in less than an hour. Either way it's been months & we've heard nothing more about this. That's because they found it wasn't hers. That's a WW2 fighter plane. An Electra wings do not sweep back like this. No about of time sitting on the sea floor, woukd do this. She landed on Gardner Island. Next to the SS Norwhich City.
I really hope this is The Plane! What a wonderful discovery it would be. There definitely needs to be a follow up and I'm going to keep tuned to it. It surely looks like it could be a plane and the tail section is for me, the most favorable part. Good Luck Romeo Brothers!!
I'd love it if this were Amelia's plane and we could finally have some real answers to this enduring mystery. But I am hard pressed to believe that it would look that intact after almost 90 years on the ocean floor. But, I will look forward to hearing more about it.
I think it could be intact. The water is so cold at those depths so there isn't much decay, as long as the currents aren't particularly strong. It can be really calm down there.
No. It isn't unidirectional as if an elephant stepped on it but omnidirectional, it is *hydraulic* pressure. A thin aluminum sheet (aircraft skin) gets, say, 10 tons from the outside, it *also* gets exact same 10 tons from the inside. If you submerge a plane at any deep slowly so it gets filled with water, it will not be crushed at all.
Most young Americans don't even know who Amelia is which is a tragedy that they aren't taught in school about how significant she was in history for women
The only reason she was significant to be honest is because she had a rich promoter for a husband. She was a mediocre female aviator at best during a time when there were some phenomenal female aviators that got completely passed over by the media because of her husbands promotions of herfly
yeah she might of had a good promoter, and there were so many talented female pilots but she had the funding and attempted it first so dont hate on her for her
I think there are more important things to discuss in history class. Earhart is still famous because we all love unsolved mysteries, not because she did anything significant.
Impressive job regardless if it’s her plane or not. It sounds like it’s in the right general area to be plausible. Logic is sound. Looking forward to seeing more images.
The Itasca log of her radio contact with the ship put the Japanese hypothesis and the Nikumaroro Island hypothesis to bed. Each time she radioed the Itasca she was louder and clearer (closer) and this is what was happening to the point where she said..(we must be on you but cannot see you). This was a 5 out of 5 in loud and clear that the radio operator throw off his headphones and ran on deck to see the plane. The Japanese Hypothesis puts her 500 miles northwest at this very time. The Itasca radio operator would not have heard her at all. Amelia cannot be in two places at the same time so the factual, taken in real time, July 2, 1937 radio log on the Itasca is what is in fact "FACTUAL"!! She also told the Itasca she was low on fuel to two radio operators on the Itasca, one heard her say "30 minutes of fuel flying time left, the other heard only "we are low on fuel". Either way Nikumaroro/Gardner Island is 4 hours flying time south from where she was heard loud and clear by the Itasca near Howland Island. There is no way in hell see had the fuel to fly 4 more hours south. ( Sorry TIGHAR). She spent her last few gallons of fuel lookin for her destination , Howland Island. I have said for years the plane is about 12 to 25 miles northeast of Howland Island on the ocean floor in 18000 feet of water. If they got these scans there then there is a good chance that is her plane. The wings could have been bent back when she landed on the ocean or damaged then bent back as the two huge Pratt and Whitney engines and "gravity" pulled the filled by now with water plane to the ocean bottom.The orange blob we see to our left and front of plane may be one of the engines pulled off as the plane went down in the water.
Very thorough report…Good Job ✅ I am 100% convinced this is Amelia Earharts Lockheed Electra ;] I’m So Excited!! The Next Stage of this Adventure will be Outstanding!!
I hate to disappoint you but it is NOT her plane. I wish it were. She would not have overshot Howland by almost 100 miles. When she said she was low on fuel it was low on fuel for finding Howland. She had always planned (with help from Gene Vidal) that if she got to Howland and couldn't find it she would still have enough fuel to head WNW to the Gilbert Islands. That was her plan. The south wind would have pushed her further north to the Marshall Islands where she did land. The photo that came out showing her and Noonan on Jaluit is in fact authentic. The islanders have been saying exactly what is in the photo since 1945. EXACTLY. Earhart, Noonan, Koshu Maru towing a barge with her plane on the barge. Many eye witnesses place her there and then on Saipan where the prison was. Marines on Saipan saw her plane there as well, and later destroyed. Admiral Nimitz, 3 Marine Generals all confirmed she was on Saipan. Sorry but that is not her plane. I'm sure that is what they will discover when they go back.
@@RobertLack How do you explain that the photo you speak of, originating in a travel book, supposedly of her and Noonan, but published in "1935". Two long years B 4 she vanished??? The brothers said they took the Sonar 100 miles off Howland because they don't want to reveal where they looked They also never say if east/west/north/south of Howland. They are not going to say where they looked, it's their secret. They did say they were going back. There are no marine witnesses', no generals no admiral's either. The other so called eye witnesses were all 3 hand. Somebody had a cousin, that had a brother- in-law that had a sister that was married to someone that saw her🤣🤣🤣. The "preponderance" of evidence (that is what our courts use when no physical evidence is available) show she most likely ran out of fuel looking for her destination, Howland Island, killed when crashing into the ocean or drowned shortly after.. The radio logs of the Itasca prove this. You should read them word for word. You need to drop the Japanese BS, it's just not factual/true.
I have a thought for the Romeo Brothers do you think the other piece yellowish color next to the plane could be the nose also on the right side of the plane it looks like you can see partial engine with a smashed Wing possibly in one area
the difficulty with finding the Malaysian flight is that it diverted from its flight plan so the search area is so large insane!!! amelia would be the easiest to find just on the flight plan
Chuckling at the thought of a black box on the plane, the idea for a black box was first put forth in 1954 by Dr. David Warren so not real likely there would've been one on her plane LOL.
@@susanbrooks9317transistors hadn't even been invented yet the electronics in her radio used vacuum tubes. There was no technology that even the military had back then to equate to the black boxes we have. My mom got her pilot's license in 1929 there were no electronics available to anyone yet. There were hardly even any instruments in the plane.
Tony & Lloyd Romeo…We SaLute You Gentleman ;] Outstanding Work…I am Convinced that this is Amelia Earharts Lockheed Electra and this is going to be the Biggest Story of 2024 & I Predict that Amelia Earhart will be Time Magazines Person of the Year for 2024 ;] This is So Exciting!! Thank you Good Sirs…You are My New HEROS!!
I was relating my comment to them finding a plane on the ocean floor with sonar. A lot of planes went down over the pacific. It could be a war plane.@@billybarnes9208
The brothers say there is no record of any planes going down where they looked. It was a hot war zone?? OK, tell me the names of the major battles that took place just off Howland Island Dec. 1941 to Aug. 1945. You won't be able to because there were none.
@@UncleTerry Yes, we are all aware of that, that's why the brothers said they are going back for a closer look. I'm still waiting for someone to name the major battles off of Howland Island during WW2. Fact is Howland Island was never a hot war zone. After Midway, June 4 , 1942 the Japanese did not try to take any Islands East of Midway. Anybody following WW2 should know this.
Certainly is a good prospect. The leading edge of front wings probably encountered a force large enough swing them back a little then add crushing depth, could distort them a bit. But the tail seems to the most promising along with the oversll size of the Sonar hit.
Im indifferent on this I hope for the best but i thought id read or seen somewhere a theory that earhart was alive and set up camp somewhere on a shore but ultimately died waiting for rescue, wasnt some of her belongings as well as human remains found in that camp area.
What is the hold up ? The U.S. Navy and other marine oriented organizations have improved tremendously over the decades so much that they should have found this Amelia Earhart plane long ago - What has happened is that many of the World War 2 U.S. military planes and the Japanese planes too have been found - Years / Decades have gone by the 1940s - 50s - 60s - 70s - 80s - 90s - 00s - 10s - teens and now the 20s - They have had the sonar and deep sea vehicles all this time getting better years after year ! Was it already found years ago ? Coluld have they already found the plane without knowing it ? And they could not identify it because the letter markings and other things wore off over the years ?????
As an example look at what was done as far as recovery, and preservation, with the CSS Hundley in CHARLESTON, SC . Depending on its condition, it is Salvageable. My question is why did they not have photography equipped submersible available to verify any sonar hits they found ?
Looks to me like the fuselage might be resting in a ditch, and the wing mounts over time have decayed and are now pointing slightly upward. It's a stretch, I know.
I hope it is her plane, it would mean so much to everyone and the history about what happened. Amelia is a distant relative and I've always been interested in her story!
From under water sonar I have seen this looks to be her plane. It's very similar. But so many years have past and could it have survived and be so intact.
There was military bombing of Howland Island Dec 8 1941 by a fight of twin engine Japanese Bombers that may have had a twin tail design not sure of the size or exact craft used but if the crash is that close to the island then there is a possibility that it could be a Japanese plane.
@@stinker43 They had several combat operations in that area throughout the first two years of the war. Look up the Mitsubishi G3M, the sonographe of the aircraft falls more in line with the Mitsubishi g3m
This is a fantastic presentation, thank you! I've been interested in Ameila Earhart for decades, and I will be following this very closely (got on the Instagram account). I have a good feeling about this.
So if she crashed at sea, how do we explain the SW radio transmissions picked up by so may people of her distress calls? The details about how the navigator was seriously hurt, and how those calls would have been possible, when the radio needed the engine running to work, how would that be possible if she went down at sea?
If it’s her plane on the bottom of the ocean, then those distress calls aren’t possible, therefore they never happened. Also, the US Navy asked basically anyone with a radio to listen to certain frequencies that Amelia was using, which also means that anyone with a transmitting radio could have faked those distress calls. I can imagine kids or teens having a laugh in the garage or on their Dad’s boat. If she did land on an island, how come her plane has never been found so far? The theory is that it would have ultimately slipped into the water, but the waters around Gardner Island for example have been thoroughly searched.
Not to mention PanAm radio Finding listing posts The the USCGC Istaska, listing post on the Marshalls and in Hawwii all proven crediable. They triangled her postion to around Gardner for 5 days. Those are some professionable experianced and crediable radio operators
Mark Martin rocks....I rode Triumph Bonneville 650's for over 40 years, plus an electronics/mechanics techy type for the past 55 years....sounds like my kinfd of guy. If you see this Mark, I'm in Hudson FL a couple hours away it sounds like... Hoping the Romeo brothers can get back out there with a nice high resolution high-powered towed sonar array which would probably be able to get them some very clear images! If it is her plane, and if it turned out structurally it might be able to survive being recovered, I'm betting somewhere in the range of a $30-50 million cost. The huge survey and engineering, custom fabrication expenses, the huge time and materials effort to get underneath it hoping to lift it up, and I think Mark's guess of how long it would take to raise it was very conservative I would think something in the order of 40 to 60 hours at the pulling speed they would have to keep it down to from that depth. 15,000 feet in 60 hours would be 250 feet per hour - probably still too fast. Heck the cost to recover the Concordia went over $800 million and it was sitting half out of the water already LOL. Wondering if Robert Ballard might want to jump in on this. This story totally intrigues me especially since my mother was one of the first 99 pilots in the United States and learned to fly from one of the instructors that taught Amelia Ehrhart. I believe she may have even met her once or twice at Douglas Field in Long Island where she did her flying.
because open minded intelligent types, coming upon new information, sometimes renew the effort. Been there done that more than once in my time lol.@@user-dx2kw1mf8e
That sonar image doesn’t compel me to think that could be her and there are likely a ton of airplanes down on the sea floor in that area of the world from WW2. The location of this airplane also contradicts the existence of the radio calls she made after the plane went down. It’s believed that she landed on a reef or an island and the airplane was intact enough to fire off radio calls. If she ditched in the middle of the ocean and the aircraft quickly sunk, it would have been impossible. I hope they raise the cash to pursue this though and it isn’t some publicity stunt to pay their bills with.
21:34 Q: is image near Nikumaroro / Gardner? 22:30 Tony very dismissive of Gardner theories - 400 miles away. Itasca, near Howland, received clear transmission (clear = close) 23:41 image location NOT within Howland line-of-sight ... 32:58 visited Kongsberg, saw similar images from other wrecks 41:13 next steps? 2024, maybe 2025 44:31 continue discussion with Mark Martin
I feel like with all the homework and the sonar. It seems likely. It's something closer than most discoveries that have been discussed. The vertical stabilizers are extremely exciting. Also that aluminum could very well be mostly intact after 80 years. It's cold and it's in a bed of the ocean floor.
If that sonar image is indeed Earhart's plane, the only way to verify is a clear photo of the plane's number which was located under a wind and not on the tail.
Robert Ballard found the "Titanic" . Clive Cussler wrote his book "raise the Titanic" years before the wreck was found. He did find the "Hunley" though, and her raised to the surface where she lies in a preservation museum!
How many lochead electras were lost in the pacific and also the lockhead had multiple military versions of aircraft that would look like the electra and b25 Mitchel could look similar even though I think the Mitchel is much bigger. The Japanese also had twin tail aircraft of similar size.
You have to send a dive team down to get the numbers off the plane first before you start bringing the plane up to the service this could be a waste of time
question. would the tail and wing numbers still be partially readable? If the remote sub could take clear enough pictures to be identified as an Electra regradless of serial numbers, that alone should be reason enough to bring it up. I mean how many Electras are there on the bottom of the ocean in that area
No at first i thought it looked more like an old mig because of the sweaped wings but then I'm thinking the wings could be broken off so now i don't know but it would be nice to find them and know what happened to them.
Jar of freckle cream! LOL! Ric Gillespi has to be roaring mad with that statement. Ric is convinced she was there. I think that he has milked it for all it's worth. But an interesting hypothesis.
OK, I listened to the Romeo brothers and got the impression that this is a money making project, first and foremost. No credible researcher would jump to conclusions, but Tony Romeo repeatedly states this is "Amelia's plane" and the resting place of two people. The reason is clear: they need money. I noticed they didn't address my question at all...the first or the second time. I think everyone should listen to Amelia's niece's advice. Spend money on something that will benefit humanity.
I there was a story back so many years ago that said they found a body and the bones had odd markings on it.. they figured it out later that it was because of coconut crabs… and they believe the body was her… has that story been busted?
Money plays a big part. Spending 💰 money on a hundred what ifs and they still don't find it is a total waste. That's one reason we haven't been back to the moon. NASA has been gutted and spending that amount wasn't desired after achieving initial goal.
Yes I hate negative people. This and will be a great and successful historical event . Thank these 2 brothers what a great find ! As big as a ave event as Titanic
The right wing is broken from its mounting. The plane would sink sideways and the right side hit the bottom first The left wing looks like it’s still attached. The engine from the right wing is detached from the wing.
Seriously? No one asked them whether or not they’ve considered trying to (help) find MH370??? Is that not more important anyhow? Oh, besides money of course.
I don't think it's an anchor because it doesn't match the exact shape of large vessel anchors. The sides are straighter on those claws. This sonar image matches old school anchors of a much smaller scale but doesn't explain the thickness of it. So I'm still leaning towards it being an airplane. Let's see whose plane it is. The first deep sea vision expedition was from September to December. I hope they are able to go out the same months this year.
JB, WFLA producers : For future reference 1) Earhart is pronounced airhart - nor earhart 2) Gardner / Kremins has been known as Nikumaroro since 1979 3) target was Howland - not Howard! - Island
Ths swept wing does not bother me at all. Likely that could havd gotten pushed back when it hit wing first, then nose etc. It could also be upside down. Not like it would go down in a landing attitude. It eojkd have been carrying significant speed when it impacted.
Whats the latest update? While they were there Did they try to dive the image? If not why not? Did they have an underwater drone available? If so was it used? If not why not? The world wonders...
Based on the picture there is absolutely nothing to confirm or suggest that it is a Lockheed Electra, on the contrary it looks like something else entirely. The engines are a very prominent part of the Electra, there is nothing... at all where the engines should be... only the location and wishful thinking support the theory, not this picture.
Remember the back part could of been eaten away giving the look of swept back, but the 3 uprights on rear is clearly visible, and there isn’t anything with swept back and 3 uprights. Its could actually be her plane, that would be amazing, but i would be lying if i said it will suck now knowing it’s over or could be
Great Podcast, i too think it is Amelia's plane, has to be right ? , as no other plane in that location, from that time, so near to Howland island - with twin stabilisers?? - go figga i think they've found Amelia - well really hope so as they seem cool dudes, very proff, the Romeo Bros, as is Mark here too & JB.👏👏👏👏👏👏
I don't understand why they would share that they think it's Amelia's and not the coordinates. It's not full of treasure. If it's proven to be Amelia's than the historical value makes it property of the United States per the Vienna Convention. This sounds like a fraudulent attempt to raise funds.
You are telling me that amateur souvenir hunters are going out into the South China Sea and going 15000 to 16000 feet down to the bathypelagic-zone to collect souvenirs from a hundred year old plane with no monetary value? As far as I know there are only 3 manned submersibles that can reach that depth. @@stearman456
This howland island is so close to the area of ww2 combat hundreds of planes went down in the pacific and only one Lockheed Electra. I still want a definitive answer Keeping fingers crossed. Bring Amelia home
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It is entirely believable that she could have made a very nice smooth landing on the water without doing much damage to the aircraft at all and it would've gradually filled up and sank without breaking up. Anybody remember Sully and the 2009 crash of US Airways Flt 1549 into the Hudson River? He put that thing down so beautifully didn't damage it a bit and he did so with no engines. Amelia was an excellent and extremely experienced pilot so no doubt she may have pulled it off!
It is more than believable, it is highly likely.
If they crashed fairly close to Howland Island, whether the plane would have settled fairly intact would have depended to a large degree on the sea conditions where they crashed. If the USS Itasca was close to the island, there s/b a publication recording the sea state the Itasca experienced at that time. In my mind, that would be another clue in whether or not this might be Earhart's plane.
Last thing I read was they were thought they heard a radio transmission from her after she had crashed now assuming she crashed on dry land somewhere that might explain the possible radio transmission but if she made a water landing I don't see how she's going to be able to make a radio transmission after the fact
She could fly an airplane ok, she just had lots of problems taking off and landing when there were crosswinds.
@@pontiacfan76 she would have to have the left engine running in order to keep the battery charged so there for she did not crash, she landed with the plane intact this is the only way earheart could have used the radio between 2nd of July through the the 6th July, she landed on Gardner Iland on the reef
I hope the Romeo Brothers don't give up on this investigation. In my heart I think they found her plane.
They said they're not going to and keep searching if it proves not to be her plane, and I think they've got the skills and technology to eventually find it regardless. Remember what Martin said, in spite of the common perception there have only been 5 actual searches of the waters by capable people with equipment that could handle it, it's only the islands that have been gone over inch by inch countless times.
This was so fascinating! Thank you JB, Mark, and the Romeo brothers.
Marc Martin the days of the Titan submarine will always be remembered because of you. So happy to see you again.❤
Ditto, he seems like a man whose opinions are worthy of respect. The fact that he says he's maybe 75% sure it's Earhart's plane is VERY encouraging.
Fantastic interview! My dad was Air Force and I have always held such an interest in all things aviation…. This is such a great and exciting development ! Amelia Earhart’s story has been so endearing . By the way…. 3rd graders in Texas are learning about Amelia Earhart! My grandson has quizzed me about her!
Many World War 2 U.S. Aircraft planes as well as Japanese planes were found in these very waters - Hopefully this is NOT one of them and is THE actual Amelia Earhart plane !
I don't believe in coincidences...the double stabilizer and the proximity to Howland are undeniable. I strongly feel this is the plane...
This is her plane...No other aircraft was ever reported missing in the area. In fact, not many aircraft have flown in the area...it is off the beaten track.
It's not her plane, they have 100% evidence she tried to make contact over the next 4 days. How could she have done that if this is her plane? Her Electra would have sunk in less than an hour. Either way it's been months & we've heard nothing more about this. That's because they found it wasn't hers. That's a WW2 fighter plane. An Electra wings do not sweep back like this. No about of time sitting on the sea floor, woukd do this. She landed on Gardner Island. Next to the SS Norwhich City.
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I really hope this is The Plane! What a wonderful discovery it would be. There definitely needs to be a follow up and I'm going to keep tuned to it. It surely looks like it could be a plane and the tail section is for me, the most favorable part. Good Luck Romeo Brothers!!
I'd love it if this were Amelia's plane and we could finally have some real answers to this enduring mystery. But I am hard pressed to believe that it would look that intact after almost 90 years on the ocean floor. But, I will look forward to hearing more about it.
I think it could be intact. The water is so cold at those depths so there isn't much decay, as long as the currents aren't particularly strong. It can be really calm down there.
@@paulweeldreyer7457 that answers my question as to why it may not have disintegrated after all these years!
i was wondering that as well
The extreme pressure at that depth would have crushed it.
No. It isn't unidirectional as if an elephant stepped on it but omnidirectional, it is *hydraulic* pressure. A thin aluminum sheet (aircraft skin) gets, say, 10 tons from the outside, it *also* gets exact same 10 tons from the inside. If you submerge a plane at any deep slowly so it gets filled with water, it will not be crushed at all.
Adjusted for image warpage, it looks like it could be an Electra. The tail section certainly looks like it.
The fact that Martin seems so optimistic is very encouraging, he's a man who knows s lot about these things.
Most young Americans don't even know who Amelia is which is a tragedy that they aren't taught in school about how significant she was in history for women
The only reason she was significant to be honest is because she had a rich promoter for a husband. She was a mediocre female aviator at best during a time when there were some phenomenal female aviators that got completely passed over by the media because of her husbands promotions of herfly
my kids are 16 and 14 and they know who amelia is for sure
yeah she might of had a good promoter, and there were so many talented female pilots but she had the funding and attempted it first so dont hate on her for her
I think there are more important things to discuss in history class. Earhart is still famous because we all love unsolved mysteries, not because she did anything significant.
@@Brinta3she was the first woman to ACTUALLY fly over the Atlantic that’s pretty cool
I found this story super fascinating
Impressive job regardless if it’s her plane or not. It sounds like it’s in the right general area to be plausible. Logic is sound. Looking forward to seeing more images.
If its NOT a lost ship's anchor its definitely an aircraft.
The Itasca log of her radio contact with the ship put the Japanese hypothesis and the Nikumaroro Island hypothesis to bed. Each time she radioed the Itasca she was louder and clearer (closer) and this is what was happening to the point where she said..(we must be on you but cannot see you). This was a 5 out of 5 in loud and clear that the radio operator throw off his headphones and ran on deck to see the plane. The Japanese Hypothesis puts her 500 miles northwest at this very time. The Itasca radio operator would not have heard her at all. Amelia cannot be in two places at the same time so the factual, taken in real time, July 2, 1937 radio log on the Itasca is what is in fact "FACTUAL"!! She also told the Itasca she was low on fuel to two radio operators on the Itasca, one heard her say "30 minutes of fuel flying time left, the other heard only "we are low on fuel". Either way Nikumaroro/Gardner Island is 4 hours flying time south from where she was heard loud and clear by the Itasca near Howland Island. There is no way in hell see had the fuel to fly 4 more hours south. ( Sorry TIGHAR). She spent her last few gallons of fuel lookin for her destination , Howland Island. I have said for years the plane is about 12 to 25 miles northeast of Howland Island on the ocean floor in 18000 feet of water. If they got these scans there then there is a good chance that is her plane. The wings could have been bent back when she landed on the ocean or damaged then bent back as the two huge Pratt and Whitney engines and "gravity" pulled the filled by now with water plane to the ocean bottom.The orange blob we see to our left and front of plane may be one of the engines pulled off as the plane went down in the water.
Very thorough report…Good Job ✅ I am 100% convinced this is Amelia Earharts Lockheed Electra ;] I’m So Excited!! The Next Stage of this Adventure will be Outstanding!!
I hate to disappoint you but it is NOT her plane. I wish it were. She would not have overshot Howland by almost 100 miles. When she said she was low on fuel it was low on fuel for finding Howland. She had always planned (with help from Gene Vidal) that if she got to Howland and couldn't find it she would still have enough fuel to head WNW to the Gilbert Islands. That was her plan. The south wind would have pushed her further north to the Marshall Islands where she did land. The photo that came out showing her and Noonan on Jaluit is in fact authentic. The islanders have been saying exactly what is in the photo since 1945. EXACTLY. Earhart, Noonan, Koshu Maru towing a barge with her plane on the barge. Many eye witnesses place her there and then on Saipan where the prison was. Marines on Saipan saw her plane there as well, and later destroyed. Admiral Nimitz, 3 Marine Generals all confirmed she was on Saipan. Sorry but that is not her plane. I'm sure that is what they will discover when they go back.
@@RobertLack How do you explain that the photo you speak of, originating in a travel book, supposedly of her and Noonan, but published in "1935". Two long years B 4 she vanished??? The brothers said they took the Sonar 100 miles off Howland because they don't want to reveal where they looked They also never say if east/west/north/south of Howland. They are not going to say where they looked, it's their secret. They did say they were going back. There are no marine witnesses', no generals no admiral's either. The other so called eye witnesses were all 3 hand. Somebody had a cousin, that had a brother- in-law that had a sister that was married to someone that saw her🤣🤣🤣. The "preponderance" of evidence (that is what our courts use when no physical evidence is available) show she most likely ran out of fuel looking for her destination, Howland Island, killed when crashing into the ocean or drowned shortly after.. The radio logs of the Itasca prove this. You should read them word for word. You need to drop the Japanese BS, it's just not factual/true.
@@RobertLackthe image has been debunked stop spreading this narrative
Thank you Clive Cussler and NUMA! Too bad you couldn't have a part of this possible discovery -i think you would have enjoyed it!
I have a thought for the Romeo Brothers do you think the other piece yellowish color next to the plane could be the nose also on the right side of the plane it looks like you can see partial engine with a smashed Wing possibly in one area
the difficulty with finding the Malaysian flight is that it diverted from its flight plan so the search area is so large insane!!! amelia would be the easiest to find just on the flight plan
true very true -
This can be a huge find like Ballard with RMS Titanic!
Chuckling at the thought of a black box on the plane, the idea for a black box was first put forth in 1954 by Dr. David Warren so not real likely there would've been one on her plane LOL.
Perhaps her plane was outfitted with military information that wasn't available to everyone else ?
Maybe?
@@susanbrooks9317transistors hadn't even been invented yet the electronics in her radio used vacuum tubes. There was no technology that even the military had back then to equate to the black boxes we have. My mom got her pilot's license in 1929 there were no electronics available to anyone yet. There were hardly even any instruments in the plane.
Tony & Lloyd Romeo…We SaLute You Gentleman ;] Outstanding Work…I am Convinced that this is Amelia Earharts Lockheed Electra and this is going to be the Biggest Story of 2024 & I Predict that Amelia Earhart will be Time Magazines Person of the Year for 2024 ;] This is So Exciting!! Thank you Good Sirs…You are My New HEROS!!
This is a possibility. Just one note, do you have any idea how many planes went down during WW2? That was a very hot zone.
Not to even mention all of private and commercial losses over the years .
May God bless everyone 🙏
I was relating my comment to them finding a plane on the ocean floor with sonar. A lot of planes went down over the pacific. It could be a war plane.@@billybarnes9208
The brothers say there is no record of any planes going down where they looked. It was a hot war zone?? OK, tell me the names of the major battles that took place just off Howland Island Dec. 1941 to Aug. 1945. You won't be able to because there were none.
@@tomtransport just because theres no record of any aircaft going down in that area, doesn't mean there any unreported craft that did go down
@@UncleTerry Yes, we are all aware of that, that's why the brothers said they are going back for a closer look. I'm still waiting for someone to name the major battles off of Howland Island during WW2. Fact is Howland Island was never a hot war zone. After Midway, June 4 , 1942 the Japanese did not try to take any Islands East of Midway. Anybody following WW2 should know this.
Certainly is a good prospect. The leading edge of front wings probably encountered a force large enough swing them back a little then add crushing depth, could distort them a bit. But the tail seems to the most promising along with the oversll size of the Sonar hit.
Im indifferent on this I hope for the best but i thought id read or seen somewhere a theory that earhart was alive and set up camp somewhere on a shore but ultimately died waiting for rescue, wasnt some of her belongings as well as human remains found in that camp area.
That theory came from TIGHAR. They shoved her about 400 miles away to Gardner Island where she died a castaway, possibly eaten by giant crabs
I truly believe this is her plane🙏🙏
There’s only one way to find out. Go down there and take a closer look.
What is the hold up ? The U.S. Navy and other marine oriented organizations have improved tremendously over the decades so much that they should have found this Amelia Earhart plane long ago - What has happened is that many of the World War 2 U.S. military planes and the Japanese planes too have been found - Years / Decades have gone by the 1940s - 50s - 60s - 70s - 80s - 90s - 00s - 10s - teens and now the 20s - They have had the sonar and deep sea vehicles all this time getting better years after year ! Was it already found years ago ? Coluld have they already found the plane without knowing it ? And they could not identify it because the letter markings and other things wore off over the years ?????
As an example look at what was done as far as recovery, and preservation, with the CSS Hundley in CHARLESTON, SC . Depending on its condition, it is Salvageable.
My question is why did they not have photography equipped submersible available to verify any sonar hits they found ?
Because YOU weren't willing to PAY FOR IT.
This is no anchors this is Amelia's plane !!! With right engine separated from wing .
HeyJB...the place is named "HOWLAND" (Island) not "Howard".
If she was looking for HOWARD ISLAND, No wonder she got lost! ...... She was supposed to fly to HOWELAND ISLAND!
And if she was looking for HOWELAND ISLAND, no wonder she got lost! She was supposed to fly to HOWLAND ISLAND!
Mabey she was looking for one of the lost Three Stooges" Moe Howard, Curly Howard or the dreded Shemp Howard😉😉
WOW!! They remembered her navigator! :D
Good point, too often people talk about it like she was the only one lost.
The wings of the object on the seabed look swept to me. The Electra wings are straight.
Was thinking the same thing 🤓
Looks to me like the fuselage might be resting in a ditch, and the wing mounts over time have decayed and are now pointing slightly upward. It's a stretch, I know.
The brothers that did the sonar search explain this, are you paying attention at all??
These wings are swept back. AMELIAS PLANES WINGS WERESTRAIGHT OUT.
I hope it is her plane, it would mean so much to everyone and the history about what happened. Amelia is a distant relative and I've always been interested in her story!
I hope she has finally been found. Best of luck to these guys. The dedication and research (not to mention investment) will hopefully pay off.
This is fantastic. It certainly is a plane which one they will find that out very soon. Well done fellas.👏🏼👏🏼
Thank goodness! So thankful they're not giving the coordinates! Ppl are too ignorant to be trusted w/something so important!!
I wouldn't worry about that. Not too many people who have the means to go 16,000 feet deep in the ocean.
@@paulweeldreyer7457 or to travel to that part of the Pacific
Wait the angle is distorted. The wings maybe straight. This is an Electra.
Why don't they send down one of the exercises to see if that is her plane. Most likely their remains will still be inside if not ripped open.
Emursables
there would be no remains to be found after 90 years, How many bodys or skelletons did Ballard find on the Titanic....None
From under water sonar I have seen this looks to be her plane. It's very similar. But so many years have past and could it have survived and be so intact.
There was military bombing of Howland Island Dec 8 1941 by a fight of twin engine Japanese Bombers that may have had a twin tail design not sure of the size or exact craft used but if the crash is that close to the island then there is a possibility that it could be a Japanese plane.
Mitsubishi G3M
LEFT COMMENT ABOVE
Did one of the Japanese planes go down?
@@stinker43
They had several combat operations in that area throughout the first two years of the war. Look up the Mitsubishi G3M, the sonographe of the aircraft falls more in line with the Mitsubishi g3m
Mitsubishi 63m. Vertical tail fin are not out at the end.
Wing span is 84 ft straight also
Not Japanese
This is a fantastic presentation, thank you! I've been interested in Ameila Earhart for decades, and I will be following this very closely (got on the Instagram account). I have a good feeling about this.
wouldn't the pressure so deep crush the plane into a little block of metal?
Only sealed vessels, like submarines, get crushed at depth. This plane would be flooded, so the pressure is equal inside and out.
@@keithschrack not the fool tanks
It does look like an aircraft..I hope they find out it is Amelia's plane , be great to finally have a mystery solved!
So if she crashed at sea, how do we explain the SW radio transmissions picked up by so may people of her distress calls? The details about how the navigator was seriously hurt, and how those calls would have been possible, when the radio needed the engine running to work, how would that be possible if she went down at sea?
If it’s her plane on the bottom of the ocean, then those distress calls aren’t possible, therefore they never happened.
Also, the US Navy asked basically anyone with a radio to listen to certain frequencies that Amelia was using, which also means that anyone with a transmitting radio could have faked those distress calls. I can imagine kids or teens having a laugh in the garage or on their Dad’s boat.
If she did land on an island, how come her plane has never been found so far? The theory is that it would have ultimately slipped into the water, but the waters around Gardner Island for example have been thoroughly searched.
Not to mention PanAm radio Finding listing posts The the USCGC Istaska, listing post on the Marshalls and in Hawwii all proven crediable. They triangled her postion to around Gardner for 5 days. Those are some professionable experianced and crediable radio operators
I'm very serious about James Cameron! No one has been deeper than Cameron, And i'm pretty sure the sub he designed will go that deep
It doesn't even need to be a man sub. Any deep sea drone that's able to take high rez images is more than enough to verify that's the plane.
Mark Martin rocks....I rode Triumph Bonneville 650's for over 40 years, plus an electronics/mechanics techy type for the past 55 years....sounds like my kinfd of guy. If you see this Mark, I'm in Hudson FL a couple hours away it sounds like...
Hoping the Romeo brothers can get back out there with a nice high resolution high-powered towed sonar array which would probably be able to get them some very clear images! If it is her plane, and if it turned out structurally it might be able to survive being recovered, I'm betting somewhere in the range of a $30-50 million cost. The huge survey and engineering, custom fabrication expenses, the huge time and materials effort to get underneath it hoping to lift it up, and I think Mark's guess of how long it would take to raise it was very conservative I would think something in the order of 40 to 60 hours at the pulling speed they would have to keep it down to from that depth. 15,000 feet in 60 hours would be 250 feet per hour - probably still too fast. Heck the cost to recover the Concordia went over $800 million and it was sitting half out of the water already LOL. Wondering if Robert Ballard might want to jump in on this. This story totally intrigues me especially since my mother was one of the first 99 pilots in the United States and learned to fly from one of the instructors that taught Amelia Ehrhart. I believe she may have even met her once or twice at Douglas Field in Long Island where she did her flying.
because open minded intelligent types, coming upon new information, sometimes renew the effort. Been there done that more than once in my time lol.@@user-dx2kw1mf8e
How long does it take to know for sure if this is her plane?
That sonar image doesn’t compel me to think that could be her and there are likely a ton of airplanes down on the sea floor in that area of the world from WW2. The location of this airplane also contradicts the existence of the radio calls she made after the plane went down. It’s believed that she landed on a reef or an island and the airplane was intact enough to fire off radio calls. If she ditched in the middle of the ocean and the aircraft quickly sunk, it would have been impossible.
I hope they raise the cash to pursue this though and it isn’t some publicity stunt to pay their bills with.
That TIGHAR theory is nonsense!!
If they can I least find any serial number it might at least be traced
@@colinsmith9208 I don't think so
21:34 Q: is image near Nikumaroro / Gardner? 22:30 Tony very dismissive of Gardner theories - 400 miles away. Itasca, near Howland, received clear transmission (clear = close) 23:41 image location NOT within Howland line-of-sight ... 32:58 visited Kongsberg, saw similar images from other wrecks 41:13 next steps? 2024, maybe 2025 44:31 continue discussion with Mark Martin
Loved this program!!!!
Is this going to be like the Al Capone vault thing
Very little chance the aircraft would crash, sink, and then remain intact.
JB..I've been really following the whole alien\ufo news unraveling.. Wish u would cover that more!!!!! Loves U!!
Its HOWLAND Island.
not
Howard Island.
wow rough landing! looks like the whole forward cockpit broke off from the main wings..
I feel like with all the homework and the sonar. It seems likely. It's something closer than most discoveries that have been discussed. The vertical stabilizers are extremely exciting. Also that aluminum could very well be mostly intact after 80 years. It's cold and it's in a bed of the ocean floor.
Can the image be cleaned up? Have U plans to send mini-subs to clarify image.
If that sonar image is indeed Earhart's plane, the only way to verify is a clear photo of the plane's number which was located under a wind and not on the tail.
This really looks so promising. But until they go down and verify we will not know for sure. But it looks very promising
Robert Ballard found the "Titanic" . Clive Cussler wrote his book "raise the Titanic" years before the wreck was found. He did find the "Hunley" though, and her raised to the surface where she lies in a preservation museum!
Also I've seen what salt air does to a car, I can't imagine being in saltwater would do in 85 yrs.
How many lochead electras were lost in the pacific and also the lockhead had multiple military versions of aircraft that would look like the electra and b25 Mitchel could look similar even though I think the Mitchel is much bigger. The Japanese also had twin tail aircraft of similar size.
OK so what is next - - ? Are we going to hear more about this AMELIA EARHART plane found ? This is been going on 87 years !
You have to send a dive team down to get the numbers off the plane first before you start bringing the plane up to the service this could be a waste of time
question. would the tail and wing numbers still be partially readable? If the remote sub could take clear enough pictures to be identified as an Electra regradless of serial numbers, that alone should be reason enough to bring it up. I mean how many Electras are there on the bottom of the ocean in that area
No at first i thought it looked more like an old mig because of the sweaped wings but then I'm thinking the wings could be broken off so now i don't know but it would be nice to find them and know what happened to them.
Tony, let me be the cook, sweep floors, clean toilets, anything to be on that return expedition!
Jar of freckle cream! LOL! Ric Gillespi has to be roaring mad with that statement. Ric is convinced she was there. I think that he has milked it for all it's worth. But an interesting hypothesis.
Were there other planes lost in the area?Whats next maybe flight 19?
OK, I listened to the Romeo brothers and got the impression that this is a money making project, first and foremost. No credible researcher would jump to conclusions, but Tony Romeo repeatedly states this is "Amelia's plane" and the resting place of two people. The reason is clear: they need money.
I noticed they didn't address my question at all...the first or the second time.
I think everyone should listen to Amelia's niece's advice. Spend money on something that will benefit humanity.
I there was a story back so many years ago that said they found a body and the bones had odd markings on it.. they figured it out later that it was because of coconut crabs… and they believe the body was her… has that story been busted?
That image looks like it is slanted to port, which would change how it looks on sonar.
Why the heck doesn't the military submarines use their equipment to check?
Military subs can't go nearly deep enough.
Money plays a big part.
Spending 💰 money on a hundred what ifs and they still don't find it is a total waste.
That's one reason we haven't been back to the moon. NASA has been gutted and spending that amount wasn't desired after achieving initial goal.
So why is it taking so long to get to the bottom of this latest sonar sighting?
I wish you could ask Mark about my James Cameron suggestion...
It looks like it was rotating counter clockwise when it hit the seabed.
Hey JB, how many Electras of this size / variant were manufactured and flying at the time?? Thanx ... ! Firoz Khimji, Airline Pilot
The tail section is what’s convincing to me.
How close to land was this found
They said it was within a hundred miles which doesn’t tell us much 😂
Yes I hate negative people. This and will be a great and successful historical event . Thank these 2 brothers what a great find ! As big as a ave event as Titanic
😮How many planes on record have crashed in that vicinity in the past 85 years?
The right wing is broken from its mounting. The plane would sink sideways and the right side hit the bottom first
The left wing looks like it’s still attached. The engine from the right wing is detached from the wing.
The Japanese may well know what happened to her.
not
Seriously? No one asked them whether or not they’ve considered trying to (help) find MH370??? Is that not more important anyhow? Oh, besides money of course.
I don't think it's an anchor because it doesn't match the exact shape of large vessel anchors. The sides are straighter on those claws. This sonar image matches old school anchors of a much smaller scale but doesn't explain the thickness of it. So I'm still leaning towards it being an airplane. Let's see whose plane it is. The first deep sea vision expedition was from September to December. I hope they are able to go out the same months this year.
Will they bring it up? Or just have documentation that it is there?
if it is the Earhart plane, they will have to bring some part of it up to prove it. Otherwise rummors abound will start that they fake it
Wing angle of the image is incompatible with her Electra.
JB, WFLA producers : For future reference 1) Earhart is pronounced airhart - nor earhart 2) Gardner / Kremins has been known as Nikumaroro since 1979 3) target was Howland - not Howard! - Island
Ths swept wing does not bother me at all. Likely that could havd gotten pushed back when it hit wing first, then nose etc. It could also be upside down. Not like it would go down in a landing attitude. It eojkd have been carrying significant speed when it impacted.
Whats the latest update?
While they were there
Did they try to dive the image?
If not why not?
Did they have an underwater drone available?
If so was it used?
If not why not?
The world wonders...
The A-10 Warthog is STILL using 2 vertical stabilizers 🙂
I’m trying to vote and can’t understand JN
Based on the picture there is absolutely nothing to confirm or suggest that it is a Lockheed Electra, on the contrary it looks like something else entirely.
The engines are a very prominent part of the Electra, there is nothing... at all where the engines should be... only the location and wishful thinking support the theory, not this picture.
How long do you think this plane would have lasted before it swapped and sunk
Remember the back part could of been eaten away giving the look of swept back, but the 3 uprights on rear is clearly visible, and there isn’t anything with swept back and 3 uprights. Its could actually be her plane, that would be amazing, but i would be lying if i said it will suck now knowing it’s over or could be
Great Podcast, i too think it is Amelia's plane, has to be right ? , as no other plane in that location, from that time, so near to Howland island - with twin stabilisers?? - go figga i think they've found Amelia - well really hope so as they seem cool dudes, very proff, the Romeo Bros, as is Mark here too & JB.👏👏👏👏👏👏
Congrats! Compelling stuff! If not her plane, whose?
I don't understand why they would share that they think it's Amelia's and not the coordinates. It's not full of treasure. If it's proven to be Amelia's than the historical value makes it property of the United States per the Vienna Convention. This sounds like a fraudulent attempt to raise funds.
Because amateur “souvenir hunters” would destroy it before it could be properly surveyed.
You are telling me that amateur souvenir hunters are going out into the South China Sea and going 15000 to 16000 feet down to the bathypelagic-zone to collect souvenirs from a hundred year old plane with no monetary value? As far as I know there are only 3 manned submersibles that can reach that depth. @@stearman456
Mitsubishi G3M. Did these guys check with the Japanese historians about losses in the area? Probably not.
It might be hers .But all we want to know is it hers.😅 We have been hearing people talking about it for years 😂.
This howland island is so close to the area of ww2 combat hundreds of planes went down in the pacific and only one Lockheed Electra. I still want a definitive answer Keeping fingers crossed. Bring Amelia home
we will see.... it is in the right general location where they went down.. still might not be it though
Swept wings? Looks like the shape of a ships anchor.