>"the instructors forego the customary pre-dive safety checks" Well, there you go. End of story. Human carelessness/recklessness is at the heart of every one of these kind of stories.
"We all know how to dive so let's skip the basics" needs to become "We all know how to dive, so we all know to conduct the dive brief and dive checks."
A tragic story. Certainly, this should have resulted in criminal charges. I mean, the dive center owners hid evidence that was vital to the investigation, and, lied to the investigators. Even in an accident investigation, that's a felony.
Reading a bit more about this... the same dive shop is also being investigated for another diving death. One where they rented gear to an uncertified person, who died. This explains the hiding of evidence in this case.
@@FluffyFerretFarm I don't know about the precise laws in the US, but in Germany the only person where lying during a criminal investigation is permitted (and indeed expected) is the person being accused.
This poor girl, imagine the horror of sinking to your death, not even being able to breathe because of the pressure on your body. Horrible, and for the instructor to lie to investigators is grotesque and unacceptable. That they didn't even take a light with them just from a layman's perspective is extraordinary, you wouldn't go into the woods at night without a torch, let alone the icy cold water. May Linnea Mills legacy ensure safety is prioritised in the future, RIP.
The title of this video is misleading. She wasn't crushed by the dry suit. Suit squeeze effects the skin, not the lungs. Suit squeeze pinches you; it doesn't crush you. Whether one is in a wet suit or a dry suit, the regulator compensates for the water pressure, allowing one to breath as the depth increases. If she wasn't able to inhale, she must have been out of air by that point.
@@seikibrian8641I see you must be more knowledgeable than those who investigated this event. Or perhaps something more nefarious is afoot. What say you?
@@billybuchanan385 I don't see any evidence of nefarious behavior here (unlike in the case of free diver Audrey Mestre, whose husband (deliberately?) caused her death), just incompetence. And I don't know if I'm more knowledgeable than the people who INVESTIGATED this event, just more so than one who REPORTED ON the event.
@@seikibrian8641 in video he said her second hand dry suit didnt have inflator hose, thus, she can't inflate her suit when descending and compensate for that air being compressed by the depth, thus the air in the dry suit is compressing her body if she doesnt put more air in. that's what I understand, but I'm no diver, so... I don't know, it doesnt make any sense. the air is expanding when ascending which I get, and thus making your suit more fat and introduces pressure on the body from the air in the suit, but then when descending you need to put more air, but then it's getting compressed by the depth pressure. wtf, actually. I didnt understand shit
@@abdool651 "... thus the air in the dry suit is compressing her body if she doesnt put more air in. that's what I understand, but I'm no diver..." Well, I AM a diver, and that's not how it works. Whether one adds air to the dry suit or not, the pressure ON THE BODY is the same. What changes is the volume of air between the dry suit and the skin, and that changes two things: how well the suit insulates against cold water, and how buoyant it is. Divers in wet suits wear an inflatable vest called a buoyancy compensation device to cover the second factor, and thicker wet suits to cover the first. But thicker wet suits only work for insulation up to a certain point before they become too bulky to be practical. Before I got my dry suit, I wore a two-piece wet suit made of 7mm-thick neoprene foam. Because it was a two-piece suit, I had 7mm of foam over my arms and legs, and 14mm over my torso. It kept me warm enough in Puget Sound's cold waters if I stayed above 30 feet, but deeper that that the water pressure compressed the foam to the point that it was too thin to provide protection. With the dry suit, I wear a fleece undergarment under the suit, and when I go deeper and the suit is compressed, I add air to reinflate it, keeping the insulating volume the same.
This video needs to be shown, in its entirety, in every single advanced dive class on the planet. All of my dive training was completed in the US military and I've been diving for over 15 years, but it isn't something I advertise when I go out with groups. I am often shocked and appalled at the carelessness of some civilian "master divers" and their lack of understanding for emergency situations. There is no Hollywood soundtrack to give you warning of the impending doom, death is simply around the corner, waiting in murky dark silence for you to make a small mistake without training on how to correct it. This poor girl was a casualty of multiple adults' hubris, and while I hope they lose sleep about it every night, I guarantee you they perform mental gymnastics to blame something other than themselves.
I am but a beginner diver compared to your qualifications with about 90 diving days (maybe 150-200 dives, would have to check logs) and i agree with your assessment. Many if not most people seem to get complacent and will skip routine checks, forgo minor maintenance or downright become cocky over time and as they gain experience. Now this is not an issue of diving in particular but, compared to other work and sports, diving is much, much less forgiving of mistakes. What happened to this young lady is a sad, preventable case of both negligence and carelessness from people who should have known better, teachers who should lead by example.
@@b4u992 One could accept it, take ownership of it, and resolve to change to ensure they never repeat their mistake. Maybe try to do something by way of giving back to the world to compensate for it...
this is why sometimes patience is a virtue and youthful excitement can be dangerous. if she had taken her time and slowed down and learned more, this could have been prevented. yes the trainer is culpable and the company is liable, but ultimately everyone has personal responsibility over their actions. always exercise discretion and train your conscientiousness to a laser focus so no detail is ever ignored
What a terrifying way to die, that poor young lady. Not to mention the survivor's guilt no doubt felt by the man that was forced to let her go to save himself.
Its what you MUST be prepared to do to be a life rescuer, SCUBA or cave diver, firefighter, EMT. Its something that was drilled into my head is that "there is no shame or dishonor in letting go a dead man to save a life." Ive personally watched machismo kill men as they tried to jump into jagged surf to save a screaming woman. Both of them were bashed against rocks by the tide and drowned themselves. They were called heroes but in reality it was testosterone and heroics clouding their judgement, instead of saving their own lives. The man who had prior lifesaving training who threw in floating debris INSTEAD of jumping in, saved the woman, and was able to run and get help from a local tug to pick her up. She wouldve died from exposure to the 40 degree water had he not made the hard decision to leave a screaming panicking woman. When I was a firefighter (in the 2010's) I also went to a site of a burning flipped over minivan where the pedestrians nearby watched a man dive in to help the burning (drunk) driver locked into his seat. He immediately was scorched with third degree burns and died a week later. Shame, needless additional death. Brains beats impulse or hormone led decision!
I don't disagree, but it's easy to use logic after the fact. And even if you know it's the right call to save your own life, any person with a conscience would still be haunted by guilt. @@cookie5535
@@phero2 Honestly yeah, makes one worry about him. Back when the US pulled out of Afghanistan my grand pa who served in the army ended up drinking himself into the hospital after the news broke. Can only imagine how that man feels.
the only way you would allow a person to dive with 20kg weight belt is if you wanted to kill her, because every person understand that if you take a dumbbell of 20kg and jump in the water you will drown, video simply misleading
Just stock female behaviour. People do not know biology anymore. Accountability and Responsibility are male traits because they are contrary to reproductive strategy .Which is protect and preserve women at all costs. Better an irresponsible idiot bearing children than the 40% of all women in the west today who don't. Fact is neither the victim nor the instructor should of been trying to do what they were doing.
Dry suit diving is a whole different ball game if you are used to a wet suit. Years ago , on my second dry suit dive, I found myself inverted heading for the surface feet first. My instructor was on the ball and quickly dumped the air from his own BCD and controlled my ascent. It seems a really bad idea to have someone new to dry suits training in water that deep, especially in poor light.
I’m from Norway (it’s cold) and we only use dry suit. Even in the summer. Never had a problem with buoyancy. Since you can use the dry suit as a bcd, it’s quite easy to have control over your buoyancy. Never even dived with a wet suit.
@@milk11111 You come across as an older person, this was a very young learner diver who had no idea what the difference between a wet suit and a dry suit was.
I have used both the neoprene and the thin nylon type. The issue with neoprene is they compress , a lot, from 1/4" down to about nothing. All buoyancy from the suit is lost at depth. My first dive, we went down a ledge into a canyon. At 80 feet I noticed I was dropping pretty fast so I bumped air into my BC, nothing, so I pressed the air into my BC fully until it started venting, by now I was at 100 feet and was still dropping. So I started filling my drysuit. It worked, stopped me and I leveled out. I was now at 120' my dive partner was chasing me and through all of the commotion I had used a lot of air. So I slowed my breathing and started moving up. About 60 feet my suit really started expanding and I was venting BC and drysuit full dump just to keep the ascent slow. I remember thinking if I had dropped my weights I would have never got myself slowed down or if i had somehow managed to get all of that air into my feet and was heading up feet first, I wouldn't be able to dump air and would have done an uncontrolled ascent. As it was valuable lessons were learned and lived to dive another 40 years. I use the nylon shell drysuit with warm undergarments nowadays.
We call scuba trainees 'duckies' because they can have a hard time starting a descent. Lazy instructors will overweight them to get them to the bottom efficiently, but 44lbs is an outrageous amount of weight to put on someone, though I've seen it happen. In a capacity as an assistant instructor I've seen two trainees plummet down 60ft without time to clear their ears. Then, in absurd pain, they start gunning their BC inflator trying to go back up, which would result in a far too rapid uncontrolled ascent. To save their lives I've had to wrestle them underwater to hold them under until I can simply pinch their noses and end the panic. I saved both from embolism/death, and have a bunch of scars on my face from the struggles. I consider them gashes of glory.
Good for you handling that under duress. I can't believe people who don't take every single precaution necessary to ensure others or their own safety when doing something that can kill you in multiple ways.
@@henrry889 you do not understand, what he say is not a precaution , the way he call instructor "lazy" is very rough miss because 20kg of extra weight will definitely sink a wearer. your oxygen tank with basic equipment alone weights around 15~ kg then you add 20kg of weight belt , for a woman of 50 kg means she weight 85 kg !!! she would torpedo to the bottom of ocean with her tiny water displacement. The video just irrational
I am a former U.S. Navy diver. That was such an easily preventable tragedy. I almost want to say somebody should have gone to jail as a result of the negligence that took place during that incident. Mishaps are almost always made up of a series of small negative events that could have been interrupted at some point and that chain of events leading to the unfortunate death of beautiful young woman would have been broken. The disgusting scrambling by those responsible, after the fact, to hide evidence of poor management of the so-called “instruction” dry-suit dive was outrageous and in my mind the very element that should have resulted in those responsible going to jail.
Just common sense tells this was one "charlie foxtrot" of major failures from the get go. I mean was there single safety step done right, instead of opposite of how it should be done? Not checking equipment being in proper shape on dry land? Check Not making sure use of it is learned in safe conditions? Check Running out of daylight just to make sure everything is harder? Check...
@@tuunaes Only ONE certified instructor instead of two. She skipped the required pool session with the rookie dry suit diver. This instructor told the girl that she knew someone that sold a drysuit - so the victim bought it (and the vendor did not go into details), but the negligent instructor (that was a rookie instructor, she was certified but no experience teaching) did not check out the used dry suit on behalf of her student. The assisent was NOT qualified as instructor. He helped the rookie (with the lead weight, likely neither he nor the victim knew what they did). The "qualified" instructor was already in the water by then and left the rookie to his care. And of course the instructor did not do her homework regarding the remote location: the lodge nearby was only open during the warm season, and the instructor should have informed part rangers about the event (and should have asked for permission - rangers would at least have told her they were on their own and maybe they would have required a safety plan).
It’s dusk. We’re going to dive dozens of feet below the surface with a newbie… Flashlights? No. Let’s just get on with the dive! -we’re all experienced ! 😮
I'm PADI Certified. I was fortunate to have instructors who were professional and serious about teaching. I cannot imagine that, if dry suits were part of the kit, my instructors would not have spent class time AND pool time to make sure everyone understood exactly how they work and what to do if something wasn't going as planned.
It's common with PADI. Worse certificate ever. Not enough hours, bad training, ... PADI always equal to problem underwater. I hate diving with american PADI they are no pro at all.
I'm also PADI certified. Had an excellent teacher who drilled safety into us during the classes. We also had extensive training when doing dry suits. I've seen some bad instructors, unfortunately, but I'm so glad we had a really great instructor who taught us well
It's just an exception. If you are an experienced diver and you look at the minimal diving request for PADI, you will see than the training is really cheap. There is not enough hours of diving if you compare to other training. Also not enough numbers of dives to do to be certified. If you dive a lot in the world, you will quickly figure out than PADI divers often equal to problem since they have not enough dives and still can go at depth than they shouldn't be allowed to (seeing their experience in diving). I think PADI should be revoked and changed with a new training. Too much accident related to PADI training. Yeah, you can have a wonderfull training experience with an amazing teacher. That doesn't change the fact of what is PADI and what are the minimal request asked to the divers in this training. This example is maybe the best one. The girl made a bunch of dives and can already do sub-zero dive with a dry suit. That make no sense at all. @@dianebrooks1859
@@Sombre____I took a scuba class at my college for fun and I really didn’t feel like I learned enough before the certification test. Thankfully I wasn’t medically clear to take the test (wasn’t allowed in open water due to motion sickness) and I also couldn’t equalize one of my ears so I wouldn’t be able too anyways. But yeah fully agree not enough hours are put in prior to certification. We had about 7 pool sessions by the end of the semester. 7. And they certified a ton of 20 year olds with 7 hours of diving experience.
Yep, sadly. It's really sad because diving is really fun. I hope you will manage to equalize your ears. Some people struggle to do it... you need to practice more. Don't push too much because you can get permanent tinnitus if you force too much with the valsava technics... @@OpossumOnTheMoon
I specifically remember being taught that you NEVER skip your pre dive safety check, and that there are profit driven dive guides and centers that are notorious for adding way too much weight to divers. That stuff is all supposed to be figured out in the dive pool. Lastly my instructors taught me that you don’t use a BCD in dry suit diving because the dry suit doubles as your BCD
Yup, never skip pre dive safety checks!! It's been a hot minute since I dove in a dry suit. Last I remember we did use a BCD. However air absolutely must be added to the dry suit to counteract the squeeze. Otherwise it's like a vacuum sucking you in a plastic bag to be paralyzed. The water pressure is intense!! I had a system for fiddling with both dry suit and BCD controls till I found what was a comfortable level of warmth, squeeze, and buoyancy. It's some of your preference, some of the pros/cons with that equipment, And some of the type of dive you are doing. We did wreck dives at 90ft in 40F water. It was a super fun set of dives but man, nothing beats Maui's beautiful blue, *warm* sea turtle filled waters hahahaha
@@dianebrooks1859 Honolulu was borderline cold for me. Prefer Cancun/Cozumel 2 hour flight, so far Red sea the best. I was diving in Honolulu a month ago excellent PADI center very caring & careful. They checked emergency weight release was working. Had the instructor checked that pre dive she would be alive!
You still have to dive with a BCD; air should only be added to a drysuit for comfort. If you use your drysuit as a BCD the feet of your suit will fill with air and you'll be stuck floating upside-down
@@JunbavNo, you dont have to use a bcd when using a drysuit. It adds complexity adjusting both at the same time. In my 20+ years of diving in arctic waters, i've only used a bcd once.
Woah, she did a deep dive without an inflator hose attached to the dry suit? That's nuts! Someone on Reddit hypothesized the "instructors" filled her dry suit with air before getting into the water then weighed her down heavily to make sure she'd be able to sink some. That would explain the insane 44 lbs and willingness to dive without the inflator hose. Still absolutely crazy dive to even attempt. I'm sure there's more to the story but to me those instructors basically murdered her. Either way this is awful. I'm so sorry for her and her family.
She had one TWO wetsuits the day before. Hence the shitload of weight in her BCD. Now she has a dry suit. Which ISN'T bouyant like neoprene. She jacked up her BCD right away, and had miles too much weight on. And sank. Wasn't crushed by her drysuit at all. It can't crush you!
"Someone on Reddit hypothesized the "instructors" filled her dry suit with air before getting into the water then weighed her down heavily " Sounds like a typical Redditor hypothesis.
It was the young guy Seth who filled her up with weight as he didn’t know her weight and he didn’t put them in easy bail out pockets but than again he’s not an instructor so it’s totally instructors fault
Your channel is so special. I have seen all these stories on other channels multiple times but once they reach your channel it's like hearing it for the first time. Your delivery and depth are the high water mark.
I truly thought negligence and incompetence this ugly was basically nonexistent these days. Genuinely made me feel ill. Tasteful presentation on an important topic, thanks WS. My heart goes out to the family
I’m a qualified PADI diving instructor, I’ve done just about every speciality course there is to take. I remember when I was doing my divemaster course the instructor used a dry suit. I’m in the UK and I was diving during the winter, it’s very cold even with a 7mm bottom with a 7mm jacket over that. I asked about a drysuit and the instructor said he wasn’t qualified to teach me and I must not use one until I have been fully trained, this was 30 years ago and it was great advice and I’m glad that the instructor had the confidence to tell me the facts. Drysuit diving is a whole other beast and is not something you just pick up.
I was told many years ago to avoid dry suit diving. Unless it was something that I wanted to do pretty much all the time and learn it from the bottom up just as I learned how to dive with a BCD. He made it clear that it's not something you just do for one dive or two. Dives because you want to dive in a cold place. Because of that I decided I didn't want anything to do with dry suits. It's hard enough just using a 7 mil wetsuit
@@BlondeQtie I never needed it as an instructor, I ended up teaching in Australia and Thailand but I got the impression to be a drysuit instructor there were more hurdles than 2 days of training.
@@BlondeQtie But to teach it takes way longer, this girl should never have been allowed to put it on. Any instructor I've ever met would have told her to take it off or at least asked about her experience level, I think you missed where I have said, even as a Dive Master training to be an instructor I was told I was not allowed to wear a Dry Suit during lessons until I was qualified to teach it, this was the standard of the shop I worked for.
As an ex military diver and instructor I have to say my experience with PADI has been less than stellar. I had occasion to talk to them about getting civilian PADI qualification as a diver using dry suits. Their arrogance about their process was incredible. I had hundreds of hours experience in many aspects of diving equipment. I had dived i every kind of water you can think of, from the Red Sea to the Arctic. Had used Standard Helmet suits, oxygen rebreathers, scuba tanks and surface demand, mixed gases and deep dives, but,according to PADI I knew nothing. In fact when I saw their safety routines I was surprised at the how poor they were compared to the way the military treats diving safety. I should also mention that on a couple of occasions I was involved in body recovery of PADI divers whilst stationed at the Diving School as an instructor. not impressed at all.
That's very strange, usually civilians like to take military experience better than that... By the way thank you for your service brother, I'm therefore it's better than myself and when I left the service and join the civilian ranks, I was given respect so that's a shame that they treated you that way...
Absolutely unbelievable on their part.. I like the fact that in the military things are hammered to the point where we call anyone who doesn’t know something so simple dumb. It ensures that mistakes are slim to null. Thanks for your service brother!
Arrogance goes hand in hand with ignorance, because they have nothing to learn (they think), so they stop listening and critically thinking. Arrogance also tends to be carried by people who are entirely dependent on appearances, and deep down know they lack the substance. It's a dangerous feedback loop when lives are on the line.
My brother and I were certified in grade school. I got NAUI but my brother was too young for NAUI to certify him so out instructor got him a PADI card instead because their requirements were more lax.
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Very sad story. I have been diving since 1974, previously used a dry suit in Lake Superior, and am a retired PADI Divemaster. I planned to go on training to be an Instructor but ran out of time and money. I don't know about current rules but when I bought my dry suit there was no rule that the diver be trained in using it before buying it. No rule that the diver be trained before using the dry suit. And I admit I had a dangerous uncontrolled ascent when air expanded in my legs and pulled me up upside down. This story is especially egregious that the Instructor concealed evidence and told a false scenario. It goes without saying that the Instructor should have cancelled her dive because she didn't have the necessary suit inflator hose. Letting a SCUBA diver dive without necessary equipment is analogous to letting a sky diver jump with a defective parachute. The SCUBA diver would have been angry she drove three hours for nothing but she would been alive to be angry.
"No rule that the diver be trained before using the dry suit" this is true. It appears she just didn't have any idea this drysuit was so different than a wetsuit... and the instructors didn't have a clue either. I read the instructor was the one who put the weights in her bcd. I think this makes them look even worse.
There are no laws regarding scuba gear. Anyone can buy and use scuba gear. If you want a shop to help you dive -- fill your tanks, take you out on their boat, etc -- they usually want to see that you're properly trained. But there's no one stopping anyone from buying scuba gear and jumping in the water.
@@andrews7911 "I read the instructor was the one who put the weights in her bcd. " Not exactly. Debbie Snow was the only instructor. Seth Liston was not an instructor; he was just a young guy that worked at the shop. He was not qualified to assist with students, but Debbie let him do so anyway -- just one standard she violated on a long list that day. It was Seth that loaded up Linnea with the weight. He thought he was being helpful, but the reality was that he was inexperienced and didn't know what he didn't know. The full responsibility for the incident, and for all the decisions for the class, falls on the one instructor.
@@IdRatherBeDiving-vr5gk”he didn’t know what he didn’t know” is not a reasonable excuse for him. he should have not acted beyond his scope of practice.
I've seen so many incidents like this, I'm so glad the PADI centre I trained at were pure professionals, no matter the level of experience or the type of dive everything was done with safety in mind, always do buddy predive checks
"I've seen so many incidents like this" You have??!? I've never seen an incident like this one, and neither have my fellow instructors. The list of standards violations in this one incident goes far beyond anything we could even have imagined before this happened. There was one other incident we know of that was almost as bad -- in terms of an instructor completely disregarding the safety of the students and violating a bunch of standards -- but still a distant second.
@IdRatherBeDiving-vr5gk keep track of hse prosecutions and legal actions egpress.hse.gov.uk/2023/01/25/diving-instructor-sentenced-after-student-dies-in-a-training-dive/
Absolute incompetency as well as horrible SOP. By starting a dive without proper procedures being followed (and without proper equipment - - a dive at dusk with NO LIGHTS???) sealed this poor woman's fate. I hope the company that was supposed to be supervising her before and during the dive are sued to oblivion. Unfortunately that does not bring this poor girl back.
@@jedgould5531 what bugs me is that she must have at least some experience diving. Using a third to a quarter of her weight in ballast should have struck her as odd. I snorkel sometimes and I know that once you exhale you are more or less neutral buoyant, I can't imagine that an air bottle adds much buoyancy. Not using lights at dusk should be odd. Doing training under poor conditions should have been a warning as well. The poor woman must have blindly trusted her instructor.
@@Skaldewolf it's an important side-lesson. Never trust anybody, even if they are certified. I heard BS already from a flight instructor and a climbing instructor. And various diving buddies (which is a reason why I mostly dive alone or with few people I can trust). When she was presented with a new piece of equipment, just reading the manual and watching a few instruction videos on youtube could have helped her to understand that the instructor is not qualified and acting dangerously, so reject the dive.
Sad true story. Excellent presentation, clear concise and accurate. As a PADI Master Instructor & Instructor Course Director, and taught nearly 400 courses of verious levels and types, I can say that newbe instructors not having super vision has been a real issue. I ru most course at my Dive Centers, and all of the other instructors had either gone basic to AI in my courses, or had work many with me as AI or DM
as a certified PADI OW diver, who has almost drowned on a dive, it’s truly the most terrifying thing that could ever happen to you. and without my instructors being there, i easily would’ve kept taking on water and sunk. i can’t imagine her terror knowing she wasn’t going to be able to be saved, no instructors even knowing of her drowning let alone knowing quickly enough to react. and the poor man who tried his best to save her.. this whole situation was avoidable and those responsible should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I did my first deep dive for Advanced in Poor Knights NZ. I got down to 40m with my instructor , performed a simple rope test fine. THEN got nitrogen narcosis really bad. I went super loopy, gulped in the air and started to run out. I didn't care one bit, I was happy as Larry to be dying. My instructor saw the signs, checked my gauge, forced me to take his secondary and escorted me to the surface with all the proper stops like a champ. All because he had so much air to spare. The guy saved my life. ps: never took another deep dive again. I was happy with 20m or so from then on.
My wife and I got certified by a great diver w over 20,000 dives. We got certified in LaPaz Mexico. Warm.... Done Cenotes, wrecks, shark and night dives all w no problems due to a great instructor who made sure we learned what was REALLY important. Thanks Andrea
in high school i used a shultz dry duck dry suit designed for surfing. super warm with thermal underwear under it. heard discontinued because of an incident a defect allowed it to fill with water and the surfer got very heavy. mine opened up spontaneously along a seam while in storage.
Waow. I found your channel after looking up videos re: Oceangate (great video btw) Since then I have binged all of your content. I didn't really know a lot about "underwater stuff" before this and have never tried diving, but your stories have really opened my eyes as to how unforgiving water can be!
Before the dive, you do a buddy check. You check that the hoses are connected and you check the weight system of your buddy so you know how to drop their weight. That's basic stuff that every beginner knows.
And ensure the weights ARE drop-able.... That to me was the killer decision. If those weights could have been dropped, she could have ascended. The weight dragged her down. Her only real shot I think after she got to around the 100ft mark would have been to ditch her BC entirely and buddy-breath off the second divers back-up reg to the surface. But I'm sure in the panic of an uncontrolled descent already at 100ft+ she didn't want to just ditch all her breathing equipment.
@@thesanfranciscoseahorse473 Seems like she was unconscious or semi-conscious by the time she got to 100ft as she already slid off the ledge by herself. I don't think she could've released her BC at that point.
Nice coverage of the story. It doesn’t take much effort to create your own hazards in diving. Thats why you have pre-dive safety. She wasn’t her own worst enemy that day. It was also those around her. Hard blow for her family too.
This video may have saved my life. I was SCUBA certified in the late 1960's and recently bought a used drysuit. I had no idea the suit could crush you. At one point, I heard about this incident and assumed it was fake because It seemed like you were under the same pressure in a wetsuit or dry. I still don't understand why its worse in the drysuit, but believe it can happen and have been told how to prevent it. And quick release weight belt just in case.
The only reason I can think is that in a wet suit, the pressure of the layer of water underneath it and next to your skin is equal to ambient pressure, so it doesn't squeeze you. In a dry suit the pressure of air inside it has to equal ambient pressure, for it to not squeeze you.
I was diving in Honolulu a month ago excellent PADI center very caring & careful. They checked emergency weight release was working & I could work it!. Had the instructor checked that pre dive she would be alive!
What a tragic case, it's awful thinking about the fear she must have experienced when she realised her BCD was fully inflated yet she was still sinking. And it's infuriating that the operators didn't face criminal charges for their negligence, what an insult to Linnea's family. To the divers among us: I'm curious to know if cutting a slit in Linnea's suit to allow air to escape would have helped her regain control so she could make for the surface. And if not, what *could* Bob have done to rescue her, or was she effectively doomed the moment she slipped off the ledge and started sinking?
@@hjhsdujh (a) that wasn't my question, and (b) it took two grown men to retrieve her body, even with a fully inflated BCD and no weight belt. Bob had zero chance of pulling her up on his own.
There was no air in her suit, that was part of the problem. Might it have allowed her to breathe? Maybe, but it also would have filled her suit with freezing cold water. And how do you cut completely through a suit being pressed to skin tight without also cutting through her?
Dry suits are more complicated, and much more expensive than wetsuits. However, dry suits open up so many more diving possibilities in the Great Lakes region. Nothing like the feeling after getting done with an hour long dive in 40 degree water, taking off the drysuit and undergarments, and being dry. Peeling off a wetsuit in the cold, with the wind blowing, is no fun. The cold just soaks right into you.
Shannon and Bob did everything they could to protect this poor girl. The fact that Shannon spoke up but Linnea put faith in the instructors word is heartbreaking.
I don’t quite understand how not being able to inflate the dry suit would cause it to crush the diver. Sure, it may compress the air around the body, but only to the same pressure that the body would experience anyway in a wetsuit. As long as the regulator is still providing pressurised air, why would the compression of the drysuit restrict breathing?
exactly. if you inflate your dry suit, you won't lower the pressure on your body, it is and will be the surrounding pressure. The squeeze is uncomfortable because your skin wants to follow the wrinkles the dry suit is forming when coming closer to your skin. however, I have no idea where the notion comes from that your breathing is restricted.
@@klauszweig6709 My best guess thinking about it was that the drysuit starts to become rigid from the pressure causing a lot of friction, kind of like the packaging on vacuum sealed things feels stiff. If that’s correct, calling it “crushing” is very confusing though.
@@flixelgato1288 yes. actually, after this was often discussed here and in related videos, I completely emptied my suit in 25m depth. breathing was not impaired at all. however, it felt uncomfortable on my skin and I got red stripes on my skin predominantly in the shoulder area.
@@klauszweig6709 Huh. So what was the actual problem in this incident then? Just that she sank too deep where they couldn’t go after her, and couldn’t be rescued in time? Rather than anything to do with her ability to breathe? (I don’t remember all the details)
It's not dangerous, if it's done properly. Just like driving a car isn't dangerous... unless your brakes aren't connected. A drysuit can be problematic if it's not connected properly.
It's not dangerous, just complicated compared to wetsuits and therefore needs training. a uninflatable drysuit is a nuisance but usually nothing dangerous. What happens sometimes, for example, is that the inflator hose doesn't lock properly and becomes unusable. Can be fixed under water with a bit of patience. And you have your BCD as backup, possibly with a second blather and often a SMB before you have to think about ditching weights or something.
it's painful that almost every story on this channel is reasonable preventable, but instead blood remains the ink of choice for penning new safety regulations. x.x
I'm confident that the notion of being squeezed by the drysuit is a misconception (maybe based on how it feels, but still a misconception). The air in the drysuit has the same pressure as the surrounding water, so the force exerted on the body surface is the same. The pressure required to inhale is supplied by the regulator. The only problem is the loss of control over one's buoyancy... The story, however, is terribly sad.
@@spartanthe300ththermopylae4 It does have effect on buoyancy, which is the critical one. A potential side effect is that the layers of clothing underneath the drysuit have more room to slide over each other, thus feeling less restrictive.
@@spartanthe300ththermopylae4 Well, the air in the suit forms a cushioning layer which distributes the pressure equally without hotspots. When compressed, hotspots may form underneath the wrinkles of the suit, valves etc. Plus the increased friction (could be directly between skin and the suit). All of this may cause discomfort or pain, which is reduced when more air is added. Nevertheless, the suit squeeze cannot generate more total pressure on the body in the fashion implied in the video.
I think there are a lot of armchair divers commenting here. You are right, a drysuit (or any other suit) will not squeeze you. Indeed, she could have sat on the bottom and breathed normally until her air ran out. The question is why she did not have removable weights. Nobody ever dives with weights in their pockets. There is always a quick detachable weight system. There is some obvious negligence at play here. In PADI, drysuit diving is a separate specialty course. Her instructors failed to train her and sent her to her death.
I have gone to 90 ft. in my drysuit without inflating it (forgot to hook up the inflator hose😳, couldn't find the hose & had to keep pace with my deep diving students). Very uncomfortable, but I could breathe,.... then again, I have 2500+ drysuit dives. Once I got to the bottom, I found the hose, hooked it up & got some relief. Also, a drysuit should NEVER be used for primary buoyancy, Just put enough air into the suit to take the squeeze off the suit, use the BC to control buoyancy.
Although I'm an experienced drysuit diver I have rolled off a boat without the inflater hose connected (totally my own fault) At 3 metres the boa constrictor like squeeze reminds you of the error of your ways and in that instance it was simply a matter of pumping air into the BCD and finning back up to the surface. That is where the training and experience kick in and knowing immediately what to do about it. I have a friend, also a highly experienced drysuit diver who did exactly the same thing but ended up on the bottom at 30 metres. He was highly familiar with the dive site and used to diving on his own and keen to get to the bottom to take photos. Well... He describes being locked into a rigid pose face down alone on the bottom, unable to reach for the BCD or Drysuit inflator hoses and only after an extreme effort of will slowly managing to grab the suits inflator hose and plugging it in. Back on the surface he stripped off and was covered from neck to feet with bruises. Some instructors seem to have ego issues and don't want to back out of leading a dive class even if it's not safe. I recall going to a shore dive with a friend and there was also an instructor with a class. When we got there it was raining, the wind had picked up and gusting with 1/2 metre waves crashing into the boat ramp. The vis would have been next to zero with a 30 minute tide window. Me and my friend just looked at each other, shrugged and aborted the dive. Our instructor friend on the other hand was determined to proceed. We told him he was nuts and left. We did find out later he canned the dive.
Question. In such a scenario where the infiltrator hose fails or won't connect, could you in an emergency just flood the dry-suit? Pop open a sleeve or the neck seal and flood the suit in order to ascend? At least, to get movement back if you've been locked into it by the reverse squeeze? Thoughts?
I love the channel and this was a well put together video but she wasn’t exactly crushed to death by her drysuit. More likely she became negatively buoyant, couldn’t recover and used up all her air in the panic. An uninflated drysuit will pinch your skin and cause bruising and discomfort but the water pressure outside and the air pressure in your lungs will still be equalised by your regulator providing compressed air. There would be no greater pressure in this scenario than diving at the same depth in a wetsuit. Also I spat out my tea when you said that padi is the most respected scuba diving certification agency in the world 😂
7:50 Not sure how I get here, but d@mn that's a story. Just remember, you're the best person to look out for yourself. If you ever have to say "well I...." stop, walk away.
Thank you for voherently and clearly explained what happend in this incident in 13 min. I was watching a 1+ hour video of this before dinding this but gave up after 15+ min.
Bob is a hero in this story. He risked his own life to try save Linnea whilst the "instructor" showed zero care for her pupils. Shame on PADI for their blatant cover up...this is a CRIME and an unnecessary death of a lovely young lady.
At our store we had a policy, if you rented a dry suit you had to be dry suit certified or undergo an in pool session with a dry suit certified instructor.
I qualified with BSAC. We trained twice a week for a year before we got to the dry suit part which took another three months in the pool before we could train in open water. It is absolutely unbelievable that this could have happened.
If you have a bad feeling in your gut, don't ignore it, especially when doing something potentially life ending. Even if the "authority" figure tells you otherwise, even if you feel silly for questioning their "experience." They're still human and capable of mistakes. Only proceed when you know what you're doing.
PADI stands for "Put Another Dollar In" and it charges you ridiculously high prices for the most basic trainings. The diving centers pay a super high royalty for PADI as it practically has no competitors. Its like what microsoft was in the early 2000s
I was NAUI certified years ago and even back then while some PADI instructors were respected, PADI had a reputation for being easier and more business-oriented. I was more concerned with safety, and never regretted my decision
@@lindaa9005 NAUI here too. Two of my dive buddies are PADI and we always talked about the differences in our training. I seemed to have way more class time, then written test, then endless pool dives then finally my open water. PADI friends seemed to zip through in no time. You don't meet many NAUI divers
Great video. Huge red flags. As a DiveMaster I’m shaking my head at the other ‘professionals’ Team teaching is invaluable. Even something as ‘basic’ as a DSD, my first 2/3 post DSD Leader certification I asked for an instructor to be present and act as my DM / safety diver just to gain experience and by happy within myself. My local center who I assist with. Every set of regs we have has a LPI hose drysuit regardless of the students or divers as certified for drysuit or not, if not then during the pre dive check, we still explain what it’s for, but then move it out the way so they can’t use it. A truly tragic incident and one which I hope is never repeated.
The title for this video is kind of sensationalistic and detracts from the real causes of tragedy, which were numerous and the dry suit contributed. But she died from drowning and was not "crushed" to death as the pressure regulator will provide air to the lungs at slightly higher pressure than the surrounding hydrostatic pressure. Had the diver been in the same scenario while improperly ballasted wearing a wetsuit they would not have been crushed by it.
@@accuratealloys You are wrong. Talk to some trained (and experienced drysuit divers) @williammccarty2078 is correct. Simply wearing a drysuit, inflated or not, will not change the hydrostatic pressure on your chest for which your breathing regulator should be correcting.
@williammccarty2078 is correct. Simply wearing a drysuit, inflated or not, will not change the hydrostatic pressure on your chest for which your breathing regulator should be correcting.
Similar thing happened to this newbie when I was being buddied by a PADI 'professional' off the Channel Islands. There are no guarantees & by the time you find out they're incompetent it's TOO late. Only good thing? When I grabbed the quick release it worked.
I was an SSI instructor for some years in the early 00s and trained as a PADI certifier to broaden my employability. Later, I qualified in onshore & offshore commercial operations including closed bell. I held DMT & A/LST certification. With all this, I can say PADI have woeful training standards in many respects. Examples - skipping the SAFETY CHECKS & the DIVE BRIEFING, not carrying a light source, no emergency response plan, no communications plan, no safety team response plan & REMOVING THE GIRL'S DOVE COMPUTER & not giving it to the EMTs or the investigators. These people should be in prison. These cowboy accidents explain why my insurance as a PADI instructor cost me 4 times as much as my insurance as an SSI instructor. Oh & 44lbs of weight. And blaming the dive buddy for the accident!
Not to mention all the ads. It was unusable without using brave browser as that had an ad blocker in it. All companies are pretty much part of globohomo and are pozzed. All we can hope for is a free speech platform with minimal ads
Nah, ruined by shitty parents who have no business being parents. Wanna blame companies like RUclips instead of just being a parent to their children, YT needs to do it for them apparently.
Padi is despised by most legitimate instructors...their training is substandard and PADI has many lawsuits against them...I have witnessed against PADI in lawsuits and am well aware of their substandard practices. I would never trust a loved one to a PADI sanctioned instructor.
I remember struggling to inflate my dry suit because of the gloves I was wearing and as I went down, it constricted me so much that it felt like my body was being squeezed into a vacuum seal. This happened to another person with us and they panicked. It's a lot of pressure
Tragic. Even training situation can end poorly. I was in Aberdeen Scotland when a pressure vessel transfer lock was not secured well and the saturation divers went from deep to shallow in seconds. Yikes.
As I said in another video about this: I simply can't understand how the instructors failed to note the importance of the drysuit inflator hose. This means the instructors themselves had no real experience diving drysuits themselves. We do not have such a thing as drysuit specialty courses in the Belgian diving federation, you usually go with an experienced drysuit diver for your first dives with it. It is unimaginable to me to do a buddycheck and tell my buddy it's fine that he / she has no inflator hose connected.
I'm from Missoula and rented equipment from Gull Diving once, not long before this incident. My buddy and I were getting like 8 tanks plus all the gear, Deb was helping us get everything. She seemed nice enough, a dive instructor in Montana, she was cool and seemed like a fun person to be around. I remember her being super chill...almost too chill. and as she was filling up the tanks, one of the tanks she had already filled blew a gasket I guess. It was loud AF and didnt stop till it emptied. Startled all of us! She set it aside, grabbed a different tank. My buddy Dave and I joked about how we were glad that didn't happen when we were underwater...I remember being in the parking lot and transferring weights or something in the parking lot from the back of her truck to ours..It all just seemed a bit unorganized and scattered. We joked again in the car about it all on the way home how chaotic that had felt but were happy to have our gear and be on the road......i remember when we found out about Linnea later on our jaws dropped as we realized it was Deb who was helping us with our gear that day. We were like oh damn, I have experienced that vibe before that was them on the beach...kinda rushed, scattered, adhd, yet positive expectation..Sooo sorry for Linnea, RIP. and her family.....and honestly Deb too. Holy shit, i cant imagine how heavy that would be to carry forever. God bless you all.
That has to be the most terrible feeling in the world, being right there trying to save someone but knowing that if you don't let them go you're going to die with them. I can only imagine what that would do to someone's psyche over time.
I use to dive under ice with the first generation dry suits. The inflater use to freeze open and blow up the suit and you would end up pinned up under the ice and if you were not fast enough to relief the pressure you couldn’t bend your arms anymore. Your neck seal would cut off the blood going to your brain and your airway. Your buddy would have to rip open your neck seal or cut your suit. They also had a problem with air in your legs when you were head down and you couldn’t right yourself to let the air out and you would bob to the surface feet first. Fun times diving at 40 below.
"This Girl is Crushed by Her Drysuit" No she drowned. A dry suit has the same pressure as the water around you, that pressure is countered by a regulator not a suit. They overloaded her with weight, and the BCD couldn't compensate so she sank and ran out of oxygen.
Ever thought about doing a story on the uss Arizona there probably wouldn’t be much of a plot but a lot of brave divers spent days recovering the deceased
In case anyone is wondering, criminal charges have not been filed. The incident occurred on federal land, i.e. the national park, so jurisdiction falls to the attorney general's office. The AG decided that proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a criminal act had occurred (negligent homicide?) would be very difficult with the evidence available. So no charges... yet. In comments on other videos about this incident, some people have been outraged that the AG refused to prosecute what the YT commenters claim is an "open & shut" case. I've had to point out to them that they watched a 10 minute YT video, while the AG not only has all the detailed evidence -- interviews, reports, etc -- but also has plenty of experience knowing how much evidence it takes to win a conviction. They're the legal experts and they make the decision that is best for the situation... even if it means the general public remains outraged. There is also the consideration that if criminal charges are brought and tried, but the defendant found not guilty, the case is over. By not filing charges, the case remains open for the possibility that charges could be filed later.
Not true. AGs tend to be political & do what's expedient to them or gives them publicity. Heaven forbid they have to actually do a little research to gain some expertise & actually do some WORK to try this case that is a clear case of one person that was responsible for the dive being negligent to the point that someone person died because of her reckless disregard for safety. I guess the diving community AGs area must not have enough clout to make it worth the time. The only good thing is that at least the family can pursue a civil claim against the dive shop (I'd say the instructor too but she is probably some broke-ass deadbeat) & PADI for their lack of oversight.
@@REB4444 "Not true. " Got it, so you are calling me a liar. Not sure which of the claims I made in my post you think is not true. I stated that: --- criminal charges have not been filed (this is a true statement) --- the incident occurred on federal land, so jurisdiction falls to the AG office (this is also true) --- the AG decided that getting a conviction would be difficult (this is a true statement... the AG did make this decision. I pulled this from my research of this incident conducted over the past two years.) --- some people have been outraged that the AG refused to prosecute (also true... although I got this from interpreting people's comments on this video and other videos about the incident) --- the AG has detailed information about the case that is not presented in this video or others (this is also true... again, research) --- if a defendant is found not guilty, the case is over; they cannot be tried again. (This is certainly true. It's a hallmark of our legal system in the US, called "double jeopardy". ) --- if charges are not filed, the case does remain open and charges can be filed later. (This is also true, another feature of our legal system.) So... you have called me a liar. I put a lot of effort into my comments on this video in the hope that I could provide people interested in this incident with useful information. If you're going to call me a liar, the least you could do is explain which of my statements you think is untrue. You'll be wrong, of course... but it's better that know you're wrong so you can work on improving yourself.
@@REB4444 "at least the family can pursue a civil claim against the dive shop (I'd say the instructor too but she is probably some broke-ass deadbeat) & PADI for their lack of oversight." Please try to keep up. The civil lawsuit was filed by the family almost three years ago, around May 2021. It was settled and closed almost a year ago, February 2023. All of this happened a long time ago, but we're glad you could finally join us and offer your advice.
PADI nowadays is more like a fast food chain than anything else. I did my AOW and my instructor didn't even answered some of my questions, he mostly wanted to look cool and "get to the point". I did RAID for a depth course instead of PADI and it was a good change. Even the manual signs make more sense.
But why did she have 44 pounds of lead? I dive in salt water with 10 pounds... Weight checks are taught in the OW certification and this was an ADV certification dive. That failure is what ultimately killed her in my opinion. She would have been able to become buoyant dispite the squeeze
She was a tiny girl that was loaded with 44 pounds in fresh water. There no way she did not know even on the surface there was a big issue. She had to be struggling to be buoyant even on the surface.
The negligence of this dive is unacceptable. This girl lost her life on her first dry suit dive should not have happened. Safety first instructors should be priority. SMH
The full court documents/transcripts are online and they're devastating to read along with absolutely infuriating. This poor girl trusted those people with her life.
A drysuit - especially trilam like this which is like canvas compared to crushed neo - requires training and practice and a custom fit if you don't like diving hanging by your boots. Seeing her without an inflator hose attached at 8:17 made me feel ill 😥We're always being crushed by 1kg/cm2 per 10m of water pressure no matter what, so in a squeeze we're not 'crushed' by the drysuit we've just lost the air gap that lets us move inside a non-stretchy suit cos air compresses super fast on the way down, hence adding more and dumping on the way up. I haven't had a problem yet(🤞) but if I do I'm hoping that pulling my neck seal open to flood the drysuit and create room to move before I'm shrink wrapped works - but with a small wing and criminal amount of weight that wouldn't have helped her here, nothing would, they basically murdered her with incompetence. This is just so tragic and infuriating and avoidable!
PADI is great for recreational divers like myself. I kitesurf and when no wind it’s fun to dive a reef . PADI locations know your skill level as it’s logged.
I've watched another video about this tragic death. The key points I took away from that video were: - First time ever the girl was told to use a dry suit (I had to google what that even means as I'm not knowledgeable about diving like that) - Drysuit was faulty, some hose missing that (if I understand correctly) was used to regulate the air within the suit? - She was fitted with too many leadweights making her unable to to "up", or even just "float" through swimming the waters. Unsure how you call that motion were you basically use that feet mition to stay above water with your head in a single position. - I'm uncertain, but they just used a normal air-mixture, meaning the dive was never going to be a deep one (above 40 ft or so if I am correct?) - Not gonna comment on the instructor because there's replies already that know far more and far better, but there all kinds of things to say there. Conclusion, and a tragic one at that. The girl pretty much just sank to whatever the "bottom" was for her to stand on, which at first was a ledge and at that point already she experienced as if her body was being restrained from movement. _I can only imagine how terrifying that feeling is to basically not being able to move. _Then the subsequent sliding off that ledge while completely helpless to try and save yourself. Even IF she could move and try to swim to counteract the weights, she just further plummeted lower and lower like a rock. Then with sufficient depth the air within the drysuit started to enact increasing pressure on her body too making it hard to even breathe. And to top it off the narcotic induction from going too deep with the wrong air-mix. _Just imagine being as helpless_ I can't say for sure ofcourse, but her passing out might actually be some form of peace so that she was out cold beforehand, but that might just be some wicked form hoping she didn't suffer as much as she did already. RIP LInnea, this case is arguably one of the most shocking ways to go and I'd rate it equal to John Jones' case in a way.
> Then with sufficient depth the air within the drysuit started to enact increasing pressure on her body too making it hard to even breathe. This is wrong... and the guy on the video doesn't know what he's talking about. Pressure inside a suit is the same as outside, there's no big difference to the wet suite, it doesn't squeeze you more than water pressure.
@@ValentinBartenev Yeah, that's really confusing to me, too - I don't have any drysuit experience, but I don't see how descending would make it hard to breathe. The whole point of the SCUBA regulator is that it matches the breathing air pressure to the outside pressure. I could see an issue on the way *up*, if the drysuit didn't have a working dump valve, and you ended up with 3 bar pressure on the inside while you were trying to breathe on the surface (but surely the seals on the suit aren't designed to hold much pressure from the inside). It sounds like this is "just" a case of overweighting at the surface because the drysuit had excessive bouyancy, and having no way to add bouyancy on the way down. No different from a failed BCD that way.
@@ValentinBartenev There are some better explanations buried in the comments. It's not that the suit "squeezes" you, exactly, it's that as the air gets compressed, increased contact between the suit and skin makes it harder to move, from simple friction. I can see where that would definitely make someone panic.
@@ValentinBartenev Okay, yeah I'm not gonna pretend I'm experienced or knowledgeable about how it works specifically. What I surmise, also with incorporation from comments, is that "in some way" you start to feel "heavy". Not sure if I can express myself better. If that is the experience one would feel, then I do certainly understand how that can be very frightening, like @user-gk says. At any rate, thanks for the explanation.
>"the instructors forego the customary pre-dive safety checks"
Well, there you go. End of story.
Human carelessness/recklessness is at the heart of every one of these kind of stories.
"We all know how to dive so let's skip the basics" needs to become "We all know how to dive, so we all know to conduct the dive brief and dive checks."
A tragic story. Certainly, this should have resulted in criminal charges. I mean, the dive center owners hid evidence that was vital to the investigation, and, lied to the investigators. Even in an accident investigation, that's a felony.
Lying in an accident investigation is a felony? 🤦🏼♂️ It's not even a felony to lie in a criminal investigation
@@FluffyFerretFarm perjury?
@@blackroberts6290i think it depends on who you lie to- where i live, you can lie to the police, but not the court.
Reading a bit more about this... the same dive shop is also being investigated for another diving death. One where they rented gear to an uncertified person, who died. This explains the hiding of evidence in this case.
@@FluffyFerretFarm I don't know about the precise laws in the US, but in Germany the only person where lying during a criminal investigation is permitted (and indeed expected) is the person being accused.
This poor girl, imagine the horror of sinking to your death, not even being able to breathe because of the pressure on your body. Horrible, and for the instructor to lie to investigators is grotesque and unacceptable. That they didn't even take a light with them just from a layman's perspective is extraordinary, you wouldn't go into the woods at night without a torch, let alone the icy cold water. May Linnea Mills legacy ensure safety is prioritised in the future, RIP.
The title of this video is misleading. She wasn't crushed by the dry suit. Suit squeeze effects the skin, not the lungs. Suit squeeze pinches you; it doesn't crush you. Whether one is in a wet suit or a dry suit, the regulator compensates for the water pressure, allowing one to breath as the depth increases. If she wasn't able to inhale, she must have been out of air by that point.
@@seikibrian8641I see you must be more knowledgeable than those who investigated this event. Or perhaps something more nefarious is afoot. What say you?
@@billybuchanan385 I don't see any evidence of nefarious behavior here (unlike in the case of free diver Audrey Mestre, whose husband (deliberately?) caused her death), just incompetence. And I don't know if I'm more knowledgeable than the people who INVESTIGATED this event, just more so than one who REPORTED ON the event.
@@seikibrian8641 in video he said her second hand dry suit didnt have inflator hose, thus, she can't inflate her suit when descending and compensate for that air being compressed by the depth, thus the air in the dry suit is compressing her body if she doesnt put more air in. that's what I understand, but I'm no diver, so... I don't know, it doesnt make any sense. the air is expanding when ascending which I get, and thus making your suit more fat and introduces pressure on the body from the air in the suit, but then when descending you need to put more air, but then it's getting compressed by the depth pressure. wtf, actually. I didnt understand shit
@@abdool651 "... thus the air in the dry suit is compressing her body if she doesnt put more air in. that's what I understand, but I'm no diver..."
Well, I AM a diver, and that's not how it works. Whether one adds air to the dry suit or not, the pressure ON THE BODY is the same. What changes is the volume of air between the dry suit and the skin, and that changes two things: how well the suit insulates against cold water, and how buoyant it is. Divers in wet suits wear an inflatable vest called a buoyancy compensation device to cover the second factor, and thicker wet suits to cover the first. But thicker wet suits only work for insulation up to a certain point before they become too bulky to be practical. Before I got my dry suit, I wore a two-piece wet suit made of 7mm-thick neoprene foam. Because it was a two-piece suit, I had 7mm of foam over my arms and legs, and 14mm over my torso. It kept me warm enough in Puget Sound's cold waters if I stayed above 30 feet, but deeper that that the water pressure compressed the foam to the point that it was too thin to provide protection. With the dry suit, I wear a fleece undergarment under the suit, and when I go deeper and the suit is compressed, I add air to reinflate it, keeping the insulating volume the same.
This video needs to be shown, in its entirety, in every single advanced dive class on the planet. All of my dive training was completed in the US military and I've been diving for over 15 years, but it isn't something I advertise when I go out with groups. I am often shocked and appalled at the carelessness of some civilian "master divers" and their lack of understanding for emergency situations. There is no Hollywood soundtrack to give you warning of the impending doom, death is simply around the corner, waiting in murky dark silence for you to make a small mistake without training on how to correct it. This poor girl was a casualty of multiple adults' hubris, and while I hope they lose sleep about it every night, I guarantee you they perform mental gymnastics to blame something other than themselves.
I am but a beginner diver compared to your qualifications with about 90 diving days (maybe 150-200 dives, would have to check logs) and i agree with your assessment. Many if not most people seem to get complacent and will skip routine checks, forgo minor maintenance or downright become cocky over time and as they gain experience. Now this is not an issue of diving in particular but, compared to other work and sports, diving is much, much less forgiving of mistakes. What happened to this young lady is a sad, preventable case of both negligence and carelessness from people who should have known better, teachers who should lead by example.
In my BEGINNER course, I'm at the bottom of the pool looking up and around at all times, making sure everyone else is doing ok. It's a military thing.
Well, I dunno what else you'd do. Accepting you caused someone's death through negligence probably doesn't make anything better lol
@@b4u992 One could accept it, take ownership of it, and resolve to change to ensure they never repeat their mistake. Maybe try to do something by way of giving back to the world to compensate for it...
this is why sometimes patience is a virtue and youthful excitement can be dangerous. if she had taken her time and slowed down and learned more, this could have been prevented. yes the trainer is culpable and the company is liable, but ultimately everyone has personal responsibility over their actions. always exercise discretion and train your conscientiousness to a laser focus so no detail is ever ignored
What a terrifying way to die, that poor young lady. Not to mention the survivor's guilt no doubt felt by the man that was forced to let her go to save himself.
Its what you MUST be prepared to do to be a life rescuer, SCUBA or cave diver, firefighter, EMT. Its something that was drilled into my head is that "there is no shame or dishonor in letting go a dead man to save a life." Ive personally watched machismo kill men as they tried to jump into jagged surf to save a screaming woman. Both of them were bashed against rocks by the tide and drowned themselves. They were called heroes but in reality it was testosterone and heroics clouding their judgement, instead of saving their own lives. The man who had prior lifesaving training who threw in floating debris INSTEAD of jumping in, saved the woman, and was able to run and get help from a local tug to pick her up. She wouldve died from exposure to the 40 degree water had he not made the hard decision to leave a screaming panicking woman. When I was a firefighter (in the 2010's) I also went to a site of a burning flipped over minivan where the pedestrians nearby watched a man dive in to help the burning (drunk) driver locked into his seat. He immediately was scorched with third degree burns and died a week later. Shame, needless additional death. Brains beats impulse or hormone led decision!
I don't disagree, but it's easy to use logic after the fact. And even if you know it's the right call to save your own life, any person with a conscience would still be haunted by guilt. @@cookie5535
That decision is an impossible ask, he needs to be watched carefully
@@phero2 Honestly yeah, makes one worry about him. Back when the US pulled out of Afghanistan my grand pa who served in the army ended up drinking himself into the hospital after the news broke. Can only imagine how that man feels.
@@phero2 lol
That instructor needs to serve prison time. She hid evidence of her incompetence.
the only way you would allow a person to dive with 20kg weight belt is if you wanted to kill her, because every person understand that if you take a dumbbell of 20kg and jump in the water you will drown, video simply misleading
Moreover she tried to shift the focus - that indicates consciousness of guilt.
Just stock female behaviour. People do not know biology anymore. Accountability and Responsibility are male traits because they are contrary to reproductive strategy .Which is protect and preserve women at all costs. Better an irresponsible idiot bearing children than the 40% of all women in the west today who don't.
Fact is neither the victim nor the instructor should of been trying to do what they were doing.
DEI kills. Many such cases.
@@mirrorblue100literally false lol
Dry suit diving is a whole different ball game if you are used to a wet suit. Years ago , on my second dry suit dive, I found myself inverted heading for the surface feet first. My instructor was on the ball and quickly dumped the air from his own BCD and controlled my ascent. It seems a really bad idea to have someone new to dry suits training in water that deep, especially in poor light.
She wasn’t receiving drysuit training, she was just doing the advanced open water course.
I’m from Norway (it’s cold) and we only use dry suit. Even in the summer. Never had a problem with buoyancy. Since you can use the dry suit as a bcd, it’s quite easy to have control over your buoyancy. Never even dived with a wet suit.
@@milk11111 You come across as an older person, this was a very young learner diver who had no idea what the difference between a wet suit and a dry suit was.
@@ragetobe You're probably right.
I have used both the neoprene and the thin nylon type. The issue with neoprene is they compress , a lot, from 1/4" down to about nothing. All buoyancy from the suit is lost at depth. My first dive, we went down a ledge into a canyon. At 80 feet I noticed I was dropping pretty fast so I bumped air into my BC, nothing, so I pressed the air into my BC fully until it started venting, by now I was at 100 feet and was still dropping. So I started filling my drysuit. It worked, stopped me and I leveled out. I was now at 120' my dive partner was chasing me and through all of the commotion I had used a lot of air. So I slowed my breathing and started moving up. About 60 feet my suit really started expanding and I was venting BC and drysuit full dump just to keep the ascent slow. I remember thinking if I had dropped my weights I would have never got myself slowed down or if i had somehow managed to get all of that air into my feet and was heading up feet first, I wouldn't be able to dump air and would have done an uncontrolled ascent. As it was valuable lessons were learned and lived to dive another 40 years. I use the nylon shell drysuit with warm undergarments nowadays.
We call scuba trainees 'duckies' because they can have a hard time starting a descent. Lazy instructors will overweight them to get them to the bottom efficiently, but 44lbs is an outrageous amount of weight to put on someone, though I've seen it happen. In a capacity as an assistant instructor I've seen two trainees plummet down 60ft without time to clear their ears. Then, in absurd pain, they start gunning their BC inflator trying to go back up, which would result in a far too rapid uncontrolled ascent. To save their lives I've had to wrestle them underwater to hold them under until I can simply pinch their noses and end the panic. I saved both from embolism/death, and have a bunch of scars on my face from the struggles. I consider them gashes of glory.
Being overweight can screw you in an emergency. It greatly contributed to her death.
no one asked for you to pat yourself on the back.
Good for you handling that under duress. I can't believe people who don't take every single precaution necessary to ensure others or their own safety when doing something that can kill you in multiple ways.
I like picturing you fighting to hold someone underwater. *Punch* *Punch* "This is for your own good..."
@@henrry889 you do not understand, what he say is not a precaution , the way he call instructor "lazy" is very rough miss because 20kg of extra weight will definitely sink a wearer. your oxygen tank with basic equipment alone weights around 15~ kg then you add 20kg of weight belt , for a woman of 50 kg means she weight 85 kg !!! she would torpedo to the bottom of ocean with her tiny water displacement. The video just irrational
I am a former U.S. Navy diver. That was such an easily preventable tragedy. I almost want to say somebody should have gone to jail as a result of the negligence that took place during that incident.
Mishaps are almost always made up of a series of small negative events that could have been interrupted at some point and that chain of events leading to the unfortunate death of beautiful young woman would have been broken.
The disgusting scrambling by those responsible, after the fact, to hide evidence of poor management of the so-called “instruction” dry-suit dive was outrageous and in my mind the very element that should have resulted in those responsible going to jail.
Just common sense tells this was one "charlie foxtrot" of major failures from the get go.
I mean was there single safety step done right, instead of opposite of how it should be done?
Not checking equipment being in proper shape on dry land? Check
Not making sure use of it is learned in safe conditions? Check
Running out of daylight just to make sure everything is harder? Check...
@@tuunaes Only ONE certified instructor instead of two. She skipped the required pool session with the rookie dry suit diver. This instructor told the girl that she knew someone that sold a drysuit - so the victim bought it (and the vendor did not go into details), but the negligent instructor (that was a rookie instructor, she was certified but no experience teaching) did not check out the used dry suit on behalf of her student.
The assisent was NOT qualified as instructor. He helped the rookie (with the lead weight, likely neither he nor the victim knew what they did). The "qualified" instructor was already in the water by then and left the rookie to his care. And of course the instructor did not do her homework regarding the remote location: the lodge nearby was only open during the warm season, and the instructor should have informed part rangers about the event (and should have asked for permission - rangers would at least have told her they were on their own and maybe they would have required a safety plan).
Agreed. Jail time seems prudent in this case.
@@abvmoose87 the hiding of paperwork and dive computer alone should basically guarantee it
It’s dusk. We’re going to dive dozens of feet below the surface with a newbie… Flashlights? No. Let’s just get on with the dive! -we’re all experienced ! 😮
What can possibly go wrong
And why bother doing a safety check before we start? We’re all experts!!
@@246kisses me slowly raises his hand. I dont know bout yall but im kinda a nooby
@chillstep4life It's "Newbie" smooth brain.
I really admire how Mr. WS can express outrage in such a subtle and nuanced way.
Mate... they decided to dive at night without lights? Like... wtf? And then no one went over her suit to make sure it's all ok? That's unbelievable.
Literally every additional minute of this video made me MORE uncontrollably angry than the minute before.
IT was not a night dive according to the video.
And no dive support team, and out of range or cell signal.....did this dive instructor do ANYTHING right?
@@PickleballMilo I always carry 2 lights, even on day dives. The secondary can be just small LED squeeze light to check gear or signal.
They’re in MONTANA
I'm PADI Certified. I was fortunate to have instructors who were professional and serious about teaching. I cannot imagine that, if dry suits were part of the kit, my instructors would not have spent class time AND pool time to make sure everyone understood exactly how they work and what to do if something wasn't going as planned.
It's common with PADI. Worse certificate ever. Not enough hours, bad training, ...
PADI always equal to problem underwater. I hate diving with american PADI they are no pro at all.
I'm also PADI certified. Had an excellent teacher who drilled safety into us during the classes. We also had extensive training when doing dry suits. I've seen some bad instructors, unfortunately, but I'm so glad we had a really great instructor who taught us well
It's just an exception. If you are an experienced diver and you look at the minimal diving request for PADI, you will see than the training is really cheap. There is not enough hours of diving if you compare to other training. Also not enough numbers of dives to do to be certified.
If you dive a lot in the world, you will quickly figure out than PADI divers often equal to problem since they have not enough dives and still can go at depth than they shouldn't be allowed to (seeing their experience in diving).
I think PADI should be revoked and changed with a new training. Too much accident related to PADI training.
Yeah, you can have a wonderfull training experience with an amazing teacher. That doesn't change the fact of what is PADI and what are the minimal request asked to the divers in this training.
This example is maybe the best one. The girl made a bunch of dives and can already do sub-zero dive with a dry suit. That make no sense at all.
@@dianebrooks1859
@@Sombre____I took a scuba class at my college for fun and I really didn’t feel like I learned enough before the certification test. Thankfully I wasn’t medically clear to take the test (wasn’t allowed in open water due to motion sickness) and I also couldn’t equalize one of my ears so I wouldn’t be able too anyways. But yeah fully agree not enough hours are put in prior to certification. We had about 7 pool sessions by the end of the semester. 7. And they certified a ton of 20 year olds with 7 hours of diving experience.
Yep, sadly. It's really sad because diving is really fun.
I hope you will manage to equalize your ears. Some people struggle to do it... you need to practice more. Don't push too much because you can get permanent tinnitus if you force too much with the valsava technics... @@OpossumOnTheMoon
I specifically remember being taught that you NEVER skip your pre dive safety check, and that there are profit driven dive guides and centers that are notorious for adding way too much weight to divers. That stuff is all supposed to be figured out in the dive pool. Lastly my instructors taught me that you don’t use a BCD in dry suit diving because the dry suit doubles as your BCD
Yup, never skip pre dive safety checks!!
It's been a hot minute since I dove in a dry suit. Last I remember we did use a BCD. However air absolutely must be added to the dry suit to counteract the squeeze. Otherwise it's like a vacuum sucking you in a plastic bag to be paralyzed. The water pressure is intense!!
I had a system for fiddling with both dry suit and BCD controls till I found what was a comfortable level of warmth, squeeze, and buoyancy. It's some of your preference, some of the pros/cons with that equipment, And some of the type of dive you are doing. We did wreck dives at 90ft in 40F water. It was a super fun set of dives but man, nothing beats Maui's beautiful blue, *warm* sea turtle filled waters hahahaha
@@dianebrooks1859 Honolulu was borderline cold for me. Prefer Cancun/Cozumel 2 hour flight, so far Red sea the best. I was diving in Honolulu a month ago excellent PADI center very caring & careful. They checked emergency weight release was working. Had the instructor checked that pre dive she would be alive!
You still have to dive with a BCD; air should only be added to a drysuit for comfort. If you use your drysuit as a BCD the feet of your suit will fill with air and you'll be stuck floating upside-down
You can also use a BCD you just have to remember to add air to your drysuit
@@JunbavNo, you dont have to use a bcd when using a drysuit. It adds complexity adjusting both at the same time. In my 20+ years of diving in arctic waters, i've only used a bcd once.
Woah, she did a deep dive without an inflator hose attached to the dry suit? That's nuts!
Someone on Reddit hypothesized the "instructors" filled her dry suit with air before getting into the water then weighed her down heavily to make sure she'd be able to sink some. That would explain the insane 44 lbs and willingness to dive without the inflator hose. Still absolutely crazy dive to even attempt. I'm sure there's more to the story but to me those instructors basically murdered her. Either way this is awful. I'm so sorry for her and her family.
She had one TWO wetsuits the day before. Hence the shitload of weight in her BCD. Now she has a dry suit. Which ISN'T bouyant like neoprene. She jacked up her BCD right away, and had miles too much weight on. And sank. Wasn't crushed by her drysuit at all. It can't crush you!
Well either you learn or you do not.
1.) Do not F around and find out!
2.) Never, ever cut corners!
3.) Death is only one negligent, poor choice away.
"Someone on Reddit hypothesized the "instructors" filled her dry suit with air before getting into the water then weighed her down heavily "
Sounds like a typical Redditor hypothesis.
@@IdRatherBeDiving-vr5gksounds plausible though
It was the young guy Seth who filled her up with weight as he didn’t know her weight and he didn’t put them in easy bail out pockets but than again he’s not an instructor so it’s totally instructors fault
Your channel is so special. I have seen all these stories on other channels multiple times but once they reach your channel it's like hearing it for the first time. Your delivery and depth are the high water mark.
👌🏻 thanks, I appreciate that
I truly thought negligence and incompetence this ugly was basically nonexistent these days. Genuinely made me feel ill.
Tasteful presentation on an important topic, thanks WS. My heart goes out to the family
Never understatement the stupidity or laziness of people.
I’m a qualified PADI diving instructor, I’ve done just about every speciality course there is to take. I remember when I was doing my divemaster course the instructor used a dry suit. I’m in the UK and I was diving during the winter, it’s very cold even with a 7mm bottom with a 7mm jacket over that. I asked about a drysuit and the instructor said he wasn’t qualified to teach me and I must not use one until I have been fully trained, this was 30 years ago and it was great advice and I’m glad that the instructor had the confidence to tell me the facts. Drysuit diving is a whole other beast and is not something you just pick up.
I was told many years ago to avoid dry suit diving. Unless it was something that I wanted to do pretty much all the time and learn it from the bottom up just as I learned how to dive with a BCD. He made it clear that it's not something you just do for one dive or two. Dives because you want to dive in a cold place. Because of that I decided I didn't want anything to do with dry suits. It's hard enough just using a 7 mil wetsuit
the specialty course for dry suits at PADI is just a weekend though?
@@BlondeQtie I never needed it as an instructor, I ended up teaching in Australia and Thailand but I got the impression to be a drysuit instructor there were more hurdles than 2 days of training.
@@ragetobe i meant to be a dry suit user it’s two days
@@BlondeQtie But to teach it takes way longer, this girl should never have been allowed to put it on. Any instructor I've ever met would have told her to take it off or at least asked about her experience level, I think you missed where I have said, even as a Dive Master training to be an instructor I was told I was not allowed to wear a Dry Suit during lessons until I was qualified to teach it, this was the standard of the shop I worked for.
As a Padi Divemaster, trained in drysuit and ice diving - this pisses me off.
Hope the people responsible spends decades in jail.
PADI instructor. Same.
As an ex military diver and instructor I have to say my experience with PADI has been less than stellar. I had occasion to talk to them about getting civilian PADI qualification as a diver using dry suits. Their arrogance about their process was incredible. I had hundreds of hours experience in many aspects of diving equipment. I had dived i every kind of water you can think of, from the Red Sea to the Arctic. Had used Standard Helmet suits, oxygen rebreathers, scuba tanks and surface demand, mixed gases and deep dives, but,according to PADI I knew nothing. In fact when I saw their safety routines I was surprised at the how poor they were compared to the way the military treats diving safety. I should also mention that on a couple of occasions I was involved in body recovery of PADI divers whilst stationed at the Diving School as an instructor. not impressed at all.
That's very strange, usually civilians like to take military experience better than that... By the way thank you for your service brother, I'm therefore it's better than myself and when I left the service and join the civilian ranks, I was given respect so that's a shame that they treated you that way...
Absolutely unbelievable on their part.. I like the fact that in the military things are hammered to the point where we call anyone who doesn’t know something so simple dumb.
It ensures that mistakes are slim to null.
Thanks for your service brother!
Yeah that's how the military has such aggressive dive tables that maximize bottom time, they adhere to the rules a lot better
Arrogance goes hand in hand with ignorance, because they have nothing to learn (they think), so they stop listening and critically thinking.
Arrogance also tends to be carried by people who are entirely dependent on appearances, and deep down know they lack the substance.
It's a dangerous feedback loop when lives are on the line.
My brother and I were certified in grade school. I got NAUI but my brother was too young for NAUI to certify him so out instructor got him a PADI card instead because their requirements were more lax.
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Thanks for the clarification- I had this tremendous sense of deja vu until I’d seen your comment!
I was so confused 😂 i came to the comments to see if it was just me. Was definitely worth watching again tho
I was also confused. I thought the previous video was really good. Does anyone know what the issue was?
There was a minor mentioned. RUclips placed an age restriction which killed the views. It was dead in the water, so the option was to fix it or leave it.
First time for me, great video!
I'm in no way an experienced diver, but the AMOUNT of red flags even before the dive had me GAGGED omg!
Total cluster F.
Very sad story. I have been diving since 1974, previously used a dry suit in Lake Superior, and am a retired PADI Divemaster. I planned to go on training to be an Instructor but ran out of time and money. I don't know about current rules but when I bought my dry suit there was no rule that the diver be trained in using it before buying it. No rule that the diver be trained before using the dry suit. And I admit I had a dangerous uncontrolled ascent when air expanded in my legs and pulled me up upside down. This story is especially egregious that the Instructor concealed evidence and told a false scenario. It goes without saying that the Instructor should have cancelled her dive because she didn't have the necessary suit inflator hose. Letting a SCUBA diver dive without necessary equipment is analogous to letting a sky diver jump with a defective parachute. The SCUBA diver would have been angry she drove three hours for nothing but she would been alive to be angry.
"No rule that the diver be trained before using the dry suit" this is true. It appears she just didn't have any idea this drysuit was so different than a wetsuit... and the instructors didn't have a clue either. I read the instructor was the one who put the weights in her bcd. I think this makes them look even worse.
There are no laws regarding scuba gear. Anyone can buy and use scuba gear. If you want a shop to help you dive -- fill your tanks, take you out on their boat, etc -- they usually want to see that you're properly trained. But there's no one stopping anyone from buying scuba gear and jumping in the water.
@@andrews7911 "I read the instructor was the one who put the weights in her bcd. "
Not exactly. Debbie Snow was the only instructor. Seth Liston was not an instructor; he was just a young guy that worked at the shop. He was not qualified to assist with students, but Debbie let him do so anyway -- just one standard she violated on a long list that day. It was Seth that loaded up Linnea with the weight. He thought he was being helpful, but the reality was that he was inexperienced and didn't know what he didn't know. The full responsibility for the incident, and for all the decisions for the class, falls on the one instructor.
@@IdRatherBeDiving-vr5gk”he didn’t know what he didn’t know” is not a reasonable excuse for him. he should have not acted beyond his scope of practice.
@@karlaart6971 Don't be condenscending it's not an excuse it's a fact and that doesn't excuse the person from wrongful death either
I've seen so many incidents like this, I'm so glad the PADI centre I trained at were pure professionals, no matter the level of experience or the type of dive everything was done with safety in mind, always do buddy predive checks
"I've seen so many incidents like this"
You have??!? I've never seen an incident like this one, and neither have my fellow instructors. The list of standards violations in this one incident goes far beyond anything we could even have imagined before this happened. There was one other incident we know of that was almost as bad -- in terms of an instructor completely disregarding the safety of the students and violating a bunch of standards -- but still a distant second.
@IdRatherBeDiving-vr5gk keep track of hse prosecutions and legal actions egpress.hse.gov.uk/2023/01/25/diving-instructor-sentenced-after-student-dies-in-a-training-dive/
Absolute incompetency as well as horrible SOP. By starting a dive without proper procedures being followed (and without proper equipment - - a dive at dusk with NO LIGHTS???) sealed this poor woman's fate. I hope the company that was supposed to be supervising her before and during the dive are sued to oblivion. Unfortunately that does not bring this poor girl back.
No lights! And she sank like a brick once over the ledge. Disastrously weighted. Her second dry suit dive!
@@jedgould5531 what bugs me is that she must have at least some experience diving. Using a third to a quarter of her weight in ballast should have struck her as odd. I snorkel sometimes and I know that once you exhale you are more or less neutral buoyant, I can't imagine that an air bottle adds much buoyancy. Not using lights at dusk should be odd. Doing training under poor conditions should have been a warning as well. The poor woman must have blindly trusted her instructor.
@@Skaldewolf it's an important side-lesson. Never trust anybody, even if they are certified.
I heard BS already from a flight instructor and a climbing instructor. And various diving buddies (which is a reason why I mostly dive alone or with few people I can trust).
When she was presented with a new piece of equipment, just reading the manual and watching a few instruction videos on youtube could have helped her to understand that the instructor is not qualified and acting dangerously, so reject the dive.
Terrifying and very, very tragic. Such a young, vibrant and enthusiastic life lost needlessly. RIP.
Bob did his best to save her he will live with this for the rest of his life. Sad story.
This is a classic cascade of events leading to someones death. How quickly one problem turns into 2, than 3 etc...
Sad true story. Excellent presentation, clear concise and accurate. As a PADI Master Instructor & Instructor Course Director, and taught nearly 400 courses of verious levels and types, I can say that newbe instructors not having super vision has been a real issue. I ru most course at my Dive Centers, and all of the other instructors had either gone basic to AI in my courses, or had work many with me as AI or DM
as a certified PADI OW diver, who has almost drowned on a dive, it’s truly the most terrifying thing that could ever happen to you. and without my instructors being there, i easily would’ve kept taking on water and sunk. i can’t imagine her terror knowing she wasn’t going to be able to be saved, no instructors even knowing of her drowning let alone knowing quickly enough to react. and the poor man who tried his best to save her.. this whole situation was avoidable and those responsible should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I did my first deep dive for Advanced in Poor Knights NZ. I got down to 40m with my instructor , performed a simple rope test fine. THEN got nitrogen narcosis really bad. I went super loopy, gulped in the air and started to run out. I didn't care one bit, I was happy as Larry to be dying. My instructor saw the signs, checked my gauge, forced me to take his secondary and escorted me to the surface with all the proper stops like a champ. All because he had so much air to spare. The guy saved my life.
ps: never took another deep dive again. I was happy with 20m or so from then on.
My wife and I got certified by a great diver w over 20,000 dives.
We got certified in LaPaz Mexico. Warm.... Done Cenotes, wrecks, shark and night dives all w no problems due to a great instructor who made sure we learned what was REALLY important.
Thanks Andrea
in high school i used a shultz dry duck dry suit designed for surfing. super warm with thermal underwear under it. heard discontinued because of an incident a defect allowed it to fill with water and the surfer got very heavy. mine opened up spontaneously along a seam while in storage.
Waow.
I found your channel after looking up videos re: Oceangate (great video btw)
Since then I have binged all of your content. I didn't really know a lot about "underwater stuff" before this and have never tried diving, but your stories have really opened my eyes as to how unforgiving water can be!
Welcome aboard. Yes it’s a full assault every time you enter the water.
>how unforgiving water can be!
It's basically like outer space but wet
I mean all of it is unbelievable, but the fact they didn't even do buddy checks... I'm just speechless.
Before the dive, you do a buddy check. You check that the hoses are connected and you check the weight system of your buddy so you know how to drop their weight.
That's basic stuff that every beginner knows.
And ensure the weights ARE drop-able.... That to me was the killer decision. If those weights could have been dropped, she could have ascended. The weight dragged her down. Her only real shot I think after she got to around the 100ft mark would have been to ditch her BC entirely and buddy-breath off the second divers back-up reg to the surface. But I'm sure in the panic of an uncontrolled descent already at 100ft+ she didn't want to just ditch all her breathing equipment.
@@thesanfranciscoseahorse473 Seems like she was unconscious or semi-conscious by the time she got to 100ft as she already slid off the ledge by herself. I don't think she could've released her BC at that point.
So i watching and I hear Missoula and gull dive and I'm literally 4 blocks from their right now.. Never heard of this story, rip young lady
Nice coverage of the story. It doesn’t take much effort to create your own hazards in diving. Thats why you have pre-dive safety. She wasn’t her own worst enemy that day. It was also those around her. Hard blow for her family too.
This video may have saved my life. I was SCUBA certified in the late 1960's and recently bought a used drysuit. I had no idea the suit could crush you. At one point, I heard about this incident and assumed it was fake because It seemed like you were under the same pressure in a wetsuit or dry. I still don't understand why its worse in the drysuit, but believe it can happen and have been told how to prevent it. And quick release weight belt just in case.
The only reason I can think is that in a wet suit, the pressure of the layer of water underneath it and next to your skin is equal to ambient pressure, so it doesn't squeeze you. In a dry suit the pressure of air inside it has to equal ambient pressure, for it to not squeeze you.
I was diving in Honolulu a month ago excellent PADI center very caring & careful. They checked emergency weight release was working & I could work it!. Had the instructor checked that pre dive she would be alive!
Love the articulate details on Waterline Stories. I can tell you are a good diver for sure.
Thanks!
Brilliant. Thanks for that😀👍🏻
What a tragic case, it's awful thinking about the fear she must have experienced when she realised her BCD was fully inflated yet she was still sinking. And it's infuriating that the operators didn't face criminal charges for their negligence, what an insult to Linnea's family.
To the divers among us: I'm curious to know if cutting a slit in Linnea's suit to allow air to escape would have helped her regain control so she could make for the surface. And if not, what *could* Bob have done to rescue her, or was she effectively doomed the moment she slipped off the ledge and started sinking?
Cutting her suit, why ? He should have grabbed her inflated his bcd, maybe dropped her weights, or his own weight, no problem
@@hjhsdujh (a) that wasn't my question, and (b) it took two grown men to retrieve her body, even with a fully inflated BCD and no weight belt. Bob had zero chance of pulling her up on his own.
Cutting her suit would it not have sucked water in and made it heavier? Idk she had 40 plus pounds of weight on
There was no air in her suit, that was part of the problem. Might it have allowed her to breathe? Maybe, but it also would have filled her suit with freezing cold water. And how do you cut completely through a suit being pressed to skin tight without also cutting through her?
@@dracobengalicarefully slicing instead of raggedly stabbing?
I remember watching this the first time but still just as enjoyable the second. Thanks again for more terrific storytelling of a really tragic tale.
I'm not a diver, but I had no Idea Dry Suits were so complicated.
Diving is complicated. That is why we need certification.
Dry suits are more complicated, and much more expensive than wetsuits. However, dry suits open up so many more diving possibilities in the Great Lakes region. Nothing like the feeling after getting done with an hour long dive in 40 degree water, taking off the drysuit and undergarments, and being dry. Peeling off a wetsuit in the cold, with the wind blowing, is no fun. The cold just soaks right into you.
Diving needs a lot of respect. Like flying or mountain climbing.
They really arnt... you just need to be able to inflate it and know what to do in an uncontrolled ascent. Not complicated.
You can die from nitrogen poison, pressure, drowning, suffocating and i'm sure other ways, so it's no surprise to me at all.
Shannon and Bob did everything they could to protect this poor girl. The fact that Shannon spoke up but Linnea put faith in the instructors word is heartbreaking.
who?
I don’t quite understand how not being able to inflate the dry suit would cause it to crush the diver. Sure, it may compress the air around the body, but only to the same pressure that the body would experience anyway in a wetsuit. As long as the regulator is still providing pressurised air, why would the compression of the drysuit restrict breathing?
exactly. if you inflate your dry suit, you won't lower the pressure on your body, it is and will be the surrounding pressure. The squeeze is uncomfortable because your skin wants to follow the wrinkles the dry suit is forming when coming closer to your skin. however, I have no idea where the notion comes from that your breathing is restricted.
@@klauszweig6709 My best guess thinking about it was that the drysuit starts to become rigid from the pressure causing a lot of friction, kind of like the packaging on vacuum sealed things feels stiff. If that’s correct, calling it “crushing” is very confusing though.
@@flixelgato1288 yes. actually, after this was often discussed here and in related videos, I completely emptied my suit in 25m depth. breathing was not impaired at all. however, it felt uncomfortable on my skin and I got red stripes on my skin predominantly in the shoulder area.
@@klauszweig6709 Huh. So what was the actual problem in this incident then? Just that she sank too deep where they couldn’t go after her, and couldn’t be rescued in time? Rather than anything to do with her ability to breathe? (I don’t remember all the details)
@@flixelgato1288 The only thing that comes to my mind is a failure of the breathing regulator or simply running out of air.
This is crazy i didn't know wearing a dry suit was so completed and dangerous. It a shame this young woman died
It's not dangerous, if it's done properly. Just like driving a car isn't dangerous... unless your brakes aren't connected.
A drysuit can be problematic if it's not connected properly.
It's not dangerous, just complicated compared to wetsuits and therefore needs training.
a uninflatable drysuit is a nuisance but usually nothing dangerous. What happens sometimes, for example, is that the inflator hose doesn't lock properly and becomes unusable. Can be fixed under water with a bit of patience. And you have your BCD as backup, possibly with a second blather and often a SMB before you have to think about ditching weights or something.
Its not. It basically an exterior BCD.
it's painful that almost every story on this channel is reasonable preventable, but instead blood remains the ink of choice for penning new safety regulations. x.x
Unless there are powerful vested commercial interests that prevent new regulations.
Every story on this channel are the slipups then
This story breaks my heart every time I hear it.
Condolences to her family and friends.
I'm confident that the notion of being squeezed by the drysuit is a misconception (maybe based on how it feels, but still a misconception). The air in the drysuit has the same pressure as the surrounding water, so the force exerted on the body surface is the same. The pressure required to inhale is supplied by the regulator. The only problem is the loss of control over one's buoyancy... The story, however, is terribly sad.
@PetrHosek if what you said were true, then adding more air to offset the "suit squeeze" would not have any effect at all - but it does.
@@spartanthe300ththermopylae4 It does have effect on buoyancy, which is the critical one. A potential side effect is that the layers of clothing underneath the drysuit have more room to slide over each other, thus feeling less restrictive.
@PetrHosek even if one did not wear any thermals under the drysuit, adding air to it would still offset the suit squeeze. So it does have an effect.
@@spartanthe300ththermopylae4 Well, the air in the suit forms a cushioning layer which distributes the pressure equally without hotspots. When compressed, hotspots may form underneath the wrinkles of the suit, valves etc. Plus the increased friction (could be directly between skin and the suit). All of this may cause discomfort or pain, which is reduced when more air is added. Nevertheless, the suit squeeze cannot generate more total pressure on the body in the fashion implied in the video.
I think there are a lot of armchair divers commenting here. You are right, a drysuit (or any other suit) will not squeeze you. Indeed, she could have sat on the bottom and breathed normally until her air ran out. The question is why she did not have removable weights. Nobody ever dives with weights in their pockets. There is always a quick detachable weight system. There is some obvious negligence at play here. In PADI, drysuit diving is a separate specialty course. Her instructors failed to train her and sent her to her death.
That was just so sad and terrible. 😳 Linnea should still be here.
Poor girl must've been terrified! 😢😢
I have gone to 90 ft. in my drysuit without inflating it (forgot to hook up the inflator hose😳, couldn't find the hose & had to keep pace with my deep diving students). Very uncomfortable, but I could breathe,.... then again, I have 2500+ drysuit dives. Once I got to the bottom, I found the hose, hooked it up & got some relief. Also, a drysuit should NEVER be used for primary buoyancy, Just put enough air into the suit to take the squeeze off the suit, use the BC to control buoyancy.
Although I'm an experienced drysuit diver I have rolled off a boat without the inflater hose connected (totally my own fault) At 3 metres the boa constrictor like squeeze reminds you of the error of your ways and in that instance it was simply a matter of pumping air into the BCD and finning back up to the surface. That is where the training and experience kick in and knowing immediately what to do about it. I have a friend, also a highly experienced drysuit diver who did exactly the same thing but ended up on the bottom at 30 metres. He was highly familiar with the dive site and used to diving on his own and keen to get to the bottom to take photos. Well... He describes being locked into a rigid pose face down alone on the bottom, unable to reach for the BCD or Drysuit inflator hoses and only after an extreme effort of will slowly managing to grab the suits inflator hose and plugging it in. Back on the surface he stripped off and was covered from neck to feet with bruises.
Some instructors seem to have ego issues and don't want to back out of leading a dive class even if it's not safe. I recall going to a shore dive with a friend and there was also an instructor with a class. When we got there it was raining, the wind had picked up and gusting with 1/2 metre waves crashing into the boat ramp. The vis would have been next to zero with a 30 minute tide window. Me and my friend just looked at each other, shrugged and aborted the dive. Our instructor friend on the other hand was determined to proceed. We told him he was nuts and left. We did find out later he canned the dive.
Good for you - your intervention may have saved lives that day.
Question. In such a scenario where the infiltrator hose fails or won't connect, could you in an emergency just flood the dry-suit? Pop open a sleeve or the neck seal and flood the suit in order to ascend? At least, to get movement back if you've been locked into it by the reverse squeeze? Thoughts?
I love the channel and this was a well put together video but she wasn’t exactly crushed to death by her drysuit. More likely she became negatively buoyant, couldn’t recover and used up all her air in the panic. An uninflated drysuit will pinch your skin and cause bruising and discomfort but the water pressure outside and the air pressure in your lungs will still be equalised by your regulator providing compressed air. There would be no greater pressure in this scenario than diving at the same depth in a wetsuit. Also I spat out my tea when you said that padi is the most respected scuba diving certification agency in the world 😂
That last part cracked me up. Good old cash for certs isn't even in the top 3
PADI: Pay Another Dollar, Idiot
Yeah. My open water cert is from PDIC, and my instructor didn’t have the highest opinion of PADI. :p
7:50 Not sure how I get here, but d@mn that's a story. Just remember, you're the best person to look out for yourself. If you ever have to say "well I...." stop, walk away.
Remember: what you know keeps you alive, what you don't know will kill you
You could also say knowing some can get you into a bit of danger, but not knowing enough, you won't be able to get out of danger
Thank you for voherently and clearly explained what happend in this incident in 13 min. I was watching a 1+ hour video of this before dinding this but gave up after 15+ min.
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Bob is a hero in this story. He risked his own life to try save Linnea whilst the "instructor" showed zero care for her pupils. Shame on PADI for their blatant cover up...this is a CRIME and an unnecessary death of a lovely young lady.
Ummm.....it wasn't PADI that did a cover up, it was GULL Dive Centre
Such a terrifying way to go, and so tragically preventable.
At our store we had a policy, if you rented a dry suit you had to be dry suit certified or undergo an in pool session with a dry suit certified instructor.
Good scuba divers and instructors will tell you you should be trained in using a dry suit before using it in a dive
I qualified with BSAC. We trained twice a week for a year before we got to the dry suit part which took another three months in the pool before we could train in open water. It is absolutely unbelievable that this could have happened.
I too trained with BSAC, over 40 years ago. There was no serious training for the use of a dry suit then.
If you have a bad feeling in your gut, don't ignore it, especially when doing something potentially life ending. Even if the "authority" figure tells you otherwise, even if you feel silly for questioning their "experience." They're still human and capable of mistakes. Only proceed when you know what you're doing.
Very hard watch, this one. Thank you for your excellent, very informative expose’. Immense loss.
PADI stands for "Put Another Dollar In" and it charges you ridiculously high prices for the most basic trainings. The diving centers pay a super high royalty for PADI as it practically has no competitors. Its like what microsoft was in the early 2000s
Pay And DIve we say 😅
I dived under BSAC and that is mostly club diving, not dive centres. As a result its all money involvement unlike BSAC.
I was NAUI certified years ago and even back then while some PADI instructors were respected, PADI had a reputation for being easier and more business-oriented. I was more concerned with safety, and never regretted my decision
@@lindaa9005 NAUI here too. Two of my dive buddies are PADI and we always talked about the differences in our training. I seemed to have way more class time, then written test, then endless pool dives then finally my open water. PADI friends seemed to zip through in no time. You don't meet many NAUI divers
Great video. Huge red flags. As a DiveMaster I’m shaking my head at the other ‘professionals’
Team teaching is invaluable. Even something as ‘basic’ as a DSD, my first 2/3 post DSD Leader certification I asked for an instructor to be present and act as my DM / safety diver just to gain experience and by happy within myself.
My local center who I assist with. Every set of regs we have has a LPI hose drysuit regardless of the students or divers as certified for drysuit or not, if not then during the pre dive check, we still explain what it’s for, but then move it out the way so they can’t use it.
A truly tragic incident and one which I hope is never repeated.
What this comes down to in simple terms is incompetence, complacency and over-confidence...
The title for this video is kind of sensationalistic and detracts from the real causes of tragedy, which were numerous and the dry suit contributed. But she died from drowning and was not "crushed" to death as the pressure regulator will provide air to the lungs at slightly higher pressure than the surrounding hydrostatic pressure. Had the diver been in the same scenario while improperly ballasted wearing a wetsuit they would not have been crushed by it.
Yep, this video is not the best of the channel. And some fact don't match with the case report coming from the trial.
The regulator being functional doesn’t matter. The dry suit squeezing her prevented her from inhaling. It would be exactly like being vacuum sealed.
@@accuratealloys You are wrong. Talk to some trained (and experienced drysuit divers)
@williammccarty2078 is correct. Simply wearing a drysuit, inflated or not, will not change the hydrostatic pressure on your chest for which your breathing regulator should be correcting.
@williammccarty2078 is correct. Simply wearing a drysuit, inflated or not, will not change the hydrostatic pressure on your chest for which your breathing regulator should be correcting.
She had no ability to inflate the suit. She basically got vacuum sealed as mentioned.
Similar thing happened to this newbie when I was being buddied by a PADI 'professional' off the Channel Islands. There are no guarantees & by the time you find out they're incompetent it's TOO late. Only good thing? When I grabbed the quick release it worked.
Love this channel 👌
Thanks 👍🏻
I am a retired Master instructor with Padi. This was a preventable accident that never should have happened. Sad….
I was an SSI instructor for some years in the early 00s and trained as a PADI certifier to broaden my employability. Later, I qualified in onshore & offshore commercial operations including closed bell. I held DMT & A/LST certification.
With all this, I can say PADI have woeful training standards in many respects. Examples - skipping the SAFETY CHECKS & the DIVE BRIEFING, not carrying a light source, no emergency response plan, no communications plan, no safety team response plan & REMOVING THE GIRL'S DOVE COMPUTER & not giving it to the EMTs or the investigators. These people should be in prison.
These cowboy accidents explain why my insurance as a PADI instructor cost me 4 times as much as my insurance as an SSI instructor.
Oh & 44lbs of weight.
And blaming the dive buddy for the accident!
I hope this video reaches the right people.
All the random muted parts are ridiculous i hate what RUclips is turning into. Genuinely ruined by people who dont belong in the company.
Not to mention all the ads. It was unusable without using brave browser as that had an ad blocker in it.
All companies are pretty much part of globohomo and are pozzed. All we can hope for is a free speech platform with minimal ads
Which parts are muted?
Same question. I didn't notice anything muted (though I was listening at 1.5x). Possibly something has changed since this comment was posted?
Nah, ruined by shitty parents who have no business being parents. Wanna blame companies like RUclips instead of just being a parent to their children, YT needs to do it for them apparently.
Padi is despised by most legitimate instructors...their training is substandard and PADI has many lawsuits against them...I have witnessed against PADI in lawsuits and am well aware of their substandard practices. I would never trust a loved one to a PADI sanctioned instructor.
I remember struggling to inflate my dry suit because of the gloves I was wearing and as I went down, it constricted me so much that it felt like my body was being squeezed into a vacuum seal. This happened to another person with us and they panicked. It's a lot of pressure
She had 44lbs of weights on her belt and no quick releases, sounds like a homicide to me! Why was no one charged?
She did not have a weight belt. The weights were in pockets.
Your channel + cup of coffee? YES, please!
Oh dear deities when you erase the dive computer, there FOR SURE is malice involved.
Tragic. Even training situation can end poorly. I was in Aberdeen Scotland when a pressure vessel transfer lock was not secured well and the saturation divers went from deep to shallow in seconds. Yikes.
As I said in another video about this: I simply can't understand how the instructors failed to note the importance of the drysuit inflator hose. This means the instructors themselves had no real experience diving drysuits themselves. We do not have such a thing as drysuit specialty courses in the Belgian diving federation, you usually go with an experienced drysuit diver for your first dives with it. It is unimaginable to me to do a buddycheck and tell my buddy it's fine that he / she has no inflator hose connected.
When I was a newly certified diver I even know about the basic complexity of drysuit. An instructor who doesn't know is incompetent.
I'm from Missoula and rented equipment from Gull Diving once, not long before this incident. My buddy and I were getting like 8 tanks plus all the gear, Deb was helping us get everything. She seemed nice enough, a dive instructor in Montana, she was cool and seemed like a fun person to be around. I remember her being super chill...almost too chill. and as she was filling up the tanks, one of the tanks she had already filled blew a gasket I guess. It was loud AF and didnt stop till it emptied. Startled all of us! She set it aside, grabbed a different tank. My buddy Dave and I joked about how we were glad that didn't happen when we were underwater...I remember being in the parking lot and transferring weights or something in the parking lot from the back of her truck to ours..It all just seemed a bit unorganized and scattered. We joked again in the car about it all on the way home how chaotic that had felt but were happy to have our gear and be on the road......i remember when we found out about Linnea later on our jaws dropped as we realized it was Deb who was helping us with our gear that day. We were like oh damn, I have experienced that vibe before that was them on the beach...kinda rushed, scattered, adhd, yet positive expectation..Sooo sorry for Linnea, RIP. and her family.....and honestly Deb too. Holy shit, i cant imagine how heavy that would be to carry forever. God bless you all.
That has to be the most terrible feeling in the world, being right there trying to save someone but knowing that if you don't let them go you're going to die with them. I can only imagine what that would do to someone's psyche over time.
how was she so heavy that not only she could not swim but also someone else could not hold onto her?
I use to dive under ice with the first generation dry suits. The inflater use to freeze open and blow up the suit and you would end up pinned up under the ice and if you were not fast enough to relief the pressure you couldn’t bend your arms anymore. Your neck seal would cut off the blood going to your brain and your airway. Your buddy would have to rip open your neck seal or cut your suit. They also had a problem with air in your legs when you were head down and you couldn’t right yourself to let the air out and you would bob to the surface feet first. Fun times diving at 40 below.
Nice chick, turn the blame onto anyone else huh? She was the boss, the buck stops there. At the boss.
Hey I live in Missoula Montana, and it's Seeley Lake, not Lake Seeley. I graduated from Hellgate same as her.
"This Girl is Crushed by Her Drysuit" No she drowned. A dry suit has the same pressure as the water around you, that pressure is countered by a regulator not a suit. They overloaded her with weight, and the BCD couldn't compensate so she sank and ran out of oxygen.
air doesnt have the same pressure as water, it compresses more
@ It has the same pressure ad the water, because its being pressed by the water.
Ever thought about doing a story on the uss Arizona there probably wouldn’t be much of a plot but a lot of brave divers spent days recovering the deceased
I’ll take a look. Thanks for the suggestion
In case anyone is wondering, criminal charges have not been filed. The incident occurred on federal land, i.e. the national park, so jurisdiction falls to the attorney general's office. The AG decided that proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a criminal act had occurred (negligent homicide?) would be very difficult with the evidence available. So no charges... yet.
In comments on other videos about this incident, some people have been outraged that the AG refused to prosecute what the YT commenters claim is an "open & shut" case. I've had to point out to them that they watched a 10 minute YT video, while the AG not only has all the detailed evidence -- interviews, reports, etc -- but also has plenty of experience knowing how much evidence it takes to win a conviction. They're the legal experts and they make the decision that is best for the situation... even if it means the general public remains outraged.
There is also the consideration that if criminal charges are brought and tried, but the defendant found not guilty, the case is over. By not filing charges, the case remains open for the possibility that charges could be filed later.
Not true. AGs tend to be political & do what's expedient to them or gives them publicity. Heaven forbid they have to actually do a little research to gain some expertise & actually do some WORK to try this case that is a clear case of one person that was responsible for the dive being negligent to the point that someone person died because of her reckless disregard for safety. I guess the diving community AGs area must not have enough clout to make it worth the time. The only good thing is that at least the family can pursue a civil claim against the dive shop (I'd say the instructor too but she is probably some broke-ass deadbeat) & PADI for their lack of oversight.
@@REB4444 "Not true. "
Got it, so you are calling me a liar. Not sure which of the claims I made in my post you think is not true. I stated that:
--- criminal charges have not been filed (this is a true statement)
--- the incident occurred on federal land, so jurisdiction falls to the AG office (this is also true)
--- the AG decided that getting a conviction would be difficult (this is a true statement... the AG did make this decision. I pulled this from my research of this incident conducted over the past two years.)
--- some people have been outraged that the AG refused to prosecute (also true... although I got this from interpreting people's comments on this video and other videos about the incident)
--- the AG has detailed information about the case that is not presented in this video or others (this is also true... again, research)
--- if a defendant is found not guilty, the case is over; they cannot be tried again. (This is certainly true. It's a hallmark of our legal system in the US, called "double jeopardy". )
--- if charges are not filed, the case does remain open and charges can be filed later. (This is also true, another feature of our legal system.)
So... you have called me a liar. I put a lot of effort into my comments on this video in the hope that I could provide people interested in this incident with useful information. If you're going to call me a liar, the least you could do is explain which of my statements you think is untrue. You'll be wrong, of course... but it's better that know you're wrong so you can work on improving yourself.
@@REB4444 "at least the family can pursue a civil claim against the dive shop (I'd say the instructor too but she is probably some broke-ass deadbeat) & PADI for their lack of oversight."
Please try to keep up. The civil lawsuit was filed by the family almost three years ago, around May 2021. It was settled and closed almost a year ago, February 2023. All of this happened a long time ago, but we're glad you could finally join us and offer your advice.
PADI nowadays is more like a fast food chain than anything else. I did my AOW and my instructor didn't even answered some of my questions, he mostly wanted to look cool and "get to the point". I did RAID for a depth course instead of PADI and it was a good change. Even the manual signs make more sense.
But why did she have 44 pounds of lead? I dive in salt water with 10 pounds... Weight checks are taught in the OW certification and this was an ADV certification dive. That failure is what ultimately killed her in my opinion. She would have been able to become buoyant dispite the squeeze
And why wasn't the weight ditch-able.
She was a tiny girl that was loaded with 44 pounds in fresh water. There no way she did not know even on the surface there was a big issue. She had to be struggling to be buoyant even on the surface.
I went to diving school in the 90's and we spent a week in a swimming pool before going to the lake.
The negligence of this dive is unacceptable. This girl lost her life on her first dry suit dive should not have happened. Safety first instructors should be priority. SMH
The full court documents/transcripts are online and they're devastating to read along with absolutely infuriating. This poor girl trusted those people with her life.
A drysuit - especially trilam like this which is like canvas compared to crushed neo - requires training and practice and a custom fit if you don't like diving hanging by your boots. Seeing her without an inflator hose attached at 8:17 made me feel ill 😥We're always being crushed by 1kg/cm2 per 10m of water pressure no matter what, so in a squeeze we're not 'crushed' by the drysuit we've just lost the air gap that lets us move inside a non-stretchy suit cos air compresses super fast on the way down, hence adding more and dumping on the way up. I haven't had a problem yet(🤞) but if I do I'm hoping that pulling my neck seal open to flood the drysuit and create room to move before I'm shrink wrapped works - but with a small wing and criminal amount of weight that wouldn't have helped her here, nothing would, they basically murdered her with incompetence. This is just so tragic and infuriating and avoidable!
I don’t even know where to begin to start to try to express how messed up was the tragic situation that ended this young and vital life!!
AMAZING. This is a life-saving video. Pay attention.
PADI is great for recreational divers like myself. I kitesurf and when no wind it’s fun to dive a reef .
PADI locations know your skill level as it’s logged.
I've watched another video about this tragic death. The key points I took away from that video were:
- First time ever the girl was told to use a dry suit (I had to google what that even means as I'm not knowledgeable about diving like that)
- Drysuit was faulty, some hose missing that (if I understand correctly) was used to regulate the air within the suit?
- She was fitted with too many leadweights making her unable to to "up", or even just "float" through swimming the waters. Unsure how you call that motion were you basically use that feet mition to stay above water with your head in a single position.
- I'm uncertain, but they just used a normal air-mixture, meaning the dive was never going to be a deep one (above 40 ft or so if I am correct?)
- Not gonna comment on the instructor because there's replies already that know far more and far better, but there all kinds of things to say there.
Conclusion, and a tragic one at that.
The girl pretty much just sank to whatever the "bottom" was for her to stand on, which at first was a ledge and at that point already she experienced as if her body was being restrained from movement. _I can only imagine how terrifying that feeling is to basically not being able to move. _Then the subsequent sliding off that ledge while completely helpless to try and save yourself. Even IF she could move and try to swim to counteract the weights, she just further plummeted lower and lower like a rock. Then with sufficient depth the air within the drysuit started to enact increasing pressure on her body too making it hard to even breathe. And to top it off the narcotic induction from going too deep with the wrong air-mix. _Just imagine being as helpless_
I can't say for sure ofcourse, but her passing out might actually be some form of peace so that she was out cold beforehand, but that might just be some wicked form hoping she didn't suffer as much as she did already.
RIP LInnea, this case is arguably one of the most shocking ways to go and I'd rate it equal to John Jones' case in a way.
> Then with sufficient depth the air within the drysuit started to enact increasing pressure on her body too making it hard to even breathe.
This is wrong... and the guy on the video doesn't know what he's talking about. Pressure inside a suit is the same as outside, there's no big difference to the wet suite, it doesn't squeeze you more than water pressure.
@@ValentinBartenev Yeah, that's really confusing to me, too - I don't have any drysuit experience, but I don't see how descending would make it hard to breathe. The whole point of the SCUBA regulator is that it matches the breathing air pressure to the outside pressure. I could see an issue on the way *up*, if the drysuit didn't have a working dump valve, and you ended up with 3 bar pressure on the inside while you were trying to breathe on the surface (but surely the seals on the suit aren't designed to hold much pressure from the inside). It sounds like this is "just" a case of overweighting at the surface because the drysuit had excessive bouyancy, and having no way to add bouyancy on the way down. No different from a failed BCD that way.
@@ValentinBartenev There are some better explanations buried in the comments. It's not that the suit "squeezes" you, exactly, it's that as the air gets compressed, increased contact between the suit and skin makes it harder to move, from simple friction. I can see where that would definitely make someone panic.
@@ValentinBartenev Okay, yeah I'm not gonna pretend I'm experienced or knowledgeable about how it works specifically. What I surmise, also with incorporation from comments, is that "in some way" you start to feel "heavy". Not sure if I can express myself better.
If that is the experience one would feel, then I do certainly understand how that can be very frightening, like @user-gk says.
At any rate, thanks for the explanation.