It's my skill that holds me back on the endurobike . However, some terrain just feels less like I got lucky on my DH bike. Some guys ride king Kong on trail and enduros just fine. I got away with it a few times myself. I enjoy myself more on the big bike in terrain like that. I feel like the buffer it provides is worth it for me.
One of the things I started to realize once I began racing DH is that DH Bikes are meant for DH Racing, they love steep fast tech. Enduro Bikes love Bike Parks. Obviously Freeride DH Bikes are built specific for that but not all of us are hitting rampage sized stuff.
DH bikes are always gonna be faster on the gnarlier shit, but since I personally don't ride the gnarlier shit every day, and I still want a bike that I can actually ride somewhere other than down a hill, my 160mm enduro ride is enough for me. Also, I think regular whips and opposite whips is a person to person thing, as in, your dominant direction is regular. That's the way it is in skateboarding at least.
I’m pretty sure that regulate whips are whipping in the same direction as whichever foot you have forwards. If you ride left foot forwards you whip towards the left.
Where are you guys getting your bikes from? I want to order off their site but the obvious is "out of stock" only shoos that sell evil bikes is a state away.
Haha yeah Went to whis last weekend and totally destroyed my Commencal Meta. Fork leaks oil, front wheel needs a true, headset and linkage need to be serviced
A playful bike with DH tires is the perfect park bike IMO. Of course, I generally stick to flow trails and ride slow. I’m sure that a DH bike would be awesome for tech & going fast.
I just visited my first Bike Park last week. Sun Peaks! My bike of choice: my Norco Fluid trail bike. 😜 I need to change the rear tire to a proper chunky tire and not an easy rolling tire. It slid out a couple times on angled jumps which was really sketchy. I will for sure want better brakes before going on the steeps if I want my fat ass stopped by something other than trees. Braking bumps were a little painful too near the bottom.
first time ever at whistler I rode my mates dh bike, the next week I bought a 2nd hand Devinci Spartan I rode it all over whistler and didn't find out till later that it had blown Pike forks. Enduro bikes are so capable now its not even necessary to have fun at a bike park, although on the dh I felt super stable and faster
Something I feel is often overlooked in the DH versus Enduro bike is longevity and abuse. Enduro bikes can absolutely handle any bike park these days, but I have found that 1x12 drivetrains really suffer when used on a regular basis at a bike park. With such long derailleur cages they are extremely susceptible to poor shifting performance when the hanger gets slightly bent. For that reason alone I still have a DH bike for bike park duties. Sure a slightly bent hanger can be straightened but if you don't have any other bike to ride you are SOL while your ride is in the shop.
This is a good point, I noticed my DH bike I rented only had a few gears in the back. But my enduro at home has 11 and I can never get it adjusted quite right. Simpler is better when you only need a few gears and definitely don't want to have a shifting malfunction getting speed for a jump or drop. Plus, the park was brutal on me and the bike. I think I'll just rent when I go.
Downhill bikes are awesome but only really useable where you have reliable uplift / chairlifts. Can't really pedal up the hills with em. For that reason, I could never own a DH (as I can only really afford a single bike) so enduro has to be the choice 👌🏻
You really push the wrecker on the bike park! Great to see that. How do you feel about the larger wheel on the rear? I know the YT is not super boost, but it would be fun for you to run 27.5 in the rear and compare it to the 29er rear. In the bike park the low bottom bracket shouldn't be as much of an issue.
I did Whistler in 2017 on a 2014 Trance. Even did a run of Top of the World! 10 days later my hands and body were wrecked, but boy did we have some fun!
You should check your light parameters, as the bright spots and dark shadows are a bit extreme, also consider higher framerates, but that's probably just personal taste
It was a high contrast day, not much you can do about it except get a camera with a better dynamic range. I also don't like high frame rates, I prefer 24.
Whistler looks so fun I think I might go next year for the first time in the summer season. Would you say the cases on A-Line are pretty forgiving or harsh.
Definitely forgiving, at least compared to Dirt Merchant. But the jumps are big, make no mistake. The camera doesn't do them justice. I thought I would go to Whistler and smash A-line, but I actually had way more fun on Crank It Up. That's a really long trail with _tons_ of jumps! It doesn't get nearly as much camera time on RUclips though.
Practice on crank it up and then move over to A-line. Did that with my girlfriend to work on her confidence. In the end end, she nearly cleared all jumps on A-line
what did you think about the Norco, was better than the evil. I'm having a hard time deciding between the Norco and the wreckoning what do you think I should get.
Last year me and my friend brought The da Vinci Wilson and a giant glory things to boost master and Wesley showing us 26 in Isn't dead both have dj bikes as well nothing like riding a downhill bike it's like a monster truck places me and my friend ride a dh bike is necessary if anyone knows Cannock chase in the UK then there is some gnarly shit in that place if you know where to look I understand why people are switching to Endura bikes DH is sometimes overkill unless you are doing rampage or hardline or doing 10m stair Gaps on the street or just chilling in Utah then dh bike is necessary
Regular and irregular depends on what foot you have forward! Not everyone has the right foot forward. So basically the judges at competitions will look at your foot Position
And Norco just dropped the new Range. Yeah you can ride park. My custom 2020 Reign Carbon 180-160mm does everything at the park. Second season 1-2 park days a week, zero issues.
No, i think it’s because of the foot Positioning. Tailwhipping is easier to the direction where the back foot can give more power to. It gives you more momentum. (Right foot back-> tailwhip clockwise)
that depends on a lot of things like your willingness to go even when you're scared, but also not be fearless, and also the terrain you practice on if you practice riding a dirt road you might never get there, but on trails and easier parks it's really up to your comfort and how good you are at picking up new skills.
Just saying you definitely done need a down hill bike I had fun on my 120 trail bike sooooo I'm just saying have fun on what you got. I did you get a new YT Capra and its a lot of fun but still.
i personally feel that dh bikes arent fully necesarry at most bikes park. At my bike park you need a dh bikes since its only chunk and no jumps but at Whistler you don't have to have one.
The exposure in this video is a little different compared to your other videos! It’s a little difficult to watch when it gets bright out. But good runs!
Yeah you can easily ride an enduro in Whistler because the trails are manicured and it is not steep. Do the same thing in the alps, you will not gonna survive there for a week. Also i easily cracked my Norco Sight in Whistler while my Gambler has 200 bikepark days in Chatel, Les Gets, Verbier and Whistler.
Why not just write "my enduro bike in this video has 170mm of front travel" in the description ? I clicked your "evil wreckoning V3 link and had to advance to 5:37 into that video just to find out what the front travel is on your enduro bike which is the main content of this video. Without googling further, I still do not know how much travel your rear shock shown in this video has. Next time, I will not click on your additional video link and simply google the "Evil Wreckoning V3" to find the information that is of upmost relevance to this video. The content is great and keep up the good work. See you at the Whistler Mountain Bike Park.
Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a comment, and like the video for the mighty RUclips algorithm 🙏
Pretty hard to justify a dh bike these days… always good riding with you Nic!
Agreed and it was a super fun couple of days!
It's my skill that holds me back on the endurobike . However, some terrain just feels less like I got lucky on my DH bike.
Some guys ride king Kong on trail and enduros just fine. I got away with it a few times myself.
I enjoy myself more on the big bike in terrain like that. I feel like the buffer it provides is worth it for me.
I got to say I love both of your channels and thank you both for making these good videos.
I would still happily take a DH bike, if only to save my poor hands!
My 1285 wheel based, 63 degree HA, 36lb, 170/166 travel Commencal Meta AM 29 agrees. DH bikes are obsolete unless you are full on racing WC tracks.
One of the things I started to realize once I began racing DH is that DH Bikes are meant for DH Racing, they love steep fast tech. Enduro Bikes love Bike Parks. Obviously Freeride DH Bikes are built specific for that but not all of us are hitting rampage sized stuff.
DH bikes are always gonna be faster on the gnarlier shit, but since I personally don't ride the gnarlier shit every day, and I still want a bike that I can actually ride somewhere other than down a hill, my 160mm enduro ride is enough for me. Also, I think regular whips and opposite whips is a person to person thing, as in, your dominant direction is regular. That's the way it is in skateboarding at least.
I’m pretty sure that regulate whips are whipping in the same direction as whichever foot you have forwards.
If you ride left foot forwards you whip towards the left.
@@bigcheese9020 oh I do opposite whips all the time then I ride left foot forward and whip out to the right
The whole look of these evil bikes make me want one more and more. Plus hearing they are quiet and jumpy bikes are a major bonus!
I have an evil myself, and they are insanely poppy
I agree I just got a wreckoning its fucking awesome.
Waiting for them to come back in stock sucks
I just got a following last week, and it is everything I hoped it would be. Best bike I have ever ridden, and it looks sweet!
Where are you guys getting your bikes from? I want to order off their site but the obvious is "out of stock" only shoos that sell evil bikes is a state away.
let's just take a moment to recognise the quality of this man's tabletops
Nick is the most wholesome dude
Haha what a gay comment.
This has to be one of my favorite videos you've done. Amazing riding! Cool to get a different view of BCpov too. Great cornering!
I find myself wanting a dh bike just to keep my enduro nicer. Park days absolutely thrash everything
Haha yeah
Went to whis last weekend and totally destroyed my Commencal Meta. Fork leaks oil, front wheel needs a true, headset and linkage need to be serviced
I like how you casually speak while doing crazy riding... XD
DH bike all the way for me in the park except for creekside trails, feels safer and in more control doesn't get defected.
DH bikes take a beating at Whistler and weight is not as much an issue. Could get expensive with an Enduro.
i just love the feel of DH bikes. my favorite is the the yt tues just like every yt bike
Regular whip is swinging your back end to the same side as your front foot
A playful bike with DH tires is the perfect park bike IMO. Of course, I generally stick to flow trails and ride slow. I’m sure that a DH bike would be awesome for tech & going fast.
love your name
It probably rolls a lot faster because it’s 29 vs 27.5?
Just bought mine yesterday, I'm in love with a bike🤣🤣🤣
So fast in the techy stuff. 👏👏👏
I’ve been loving my wreckoning at the park this year! So much fun!
Damn you’re fast in those gnarly sections!!#goals
Super interesting video, does this mean you’re gonna sell the dh now?
🤷♂️
@@VanCan 🤔 I’ll buy it if you do
I just visited my first Bike Park last week. Sun Peaks! My bike of choice: my Norco Fluid trail bike. 😜
I need to change the rear tire to a proper chunky tire and not an easy rolling tire. It slid out a couple times on angled jumps which was really sketchy. I will for sure want better brakes before going on the steeps if I want my fat ass stopped by something other than trees. Braking bumps were a little painful too near the bottom.
Nice..I am thinking about the new Insurgent as my new "downhill bike"..comparison to the Wreckoning would be nice :-)
I went that route. Ditched the canfield Jedi and went for a Insurgent. We´ll see this season.
Can’t wait to watch this
Ride my Giant Reign, even used my XC Giant Anthem Pro at DH park.
Fresh morning VanCan. 😍
Awesome video. Whistler blue trails are like the UKs red trails 😂. Nic, do you no longer have your specialized enduro?
first time ever at whistler I rode my mates dh bike, the next week I bought a 2nd hand Devinci Spartan I rode it all over whistler and didn't find out till later that it had blown Pike forks. Enduro bikes are so capable now its not even necessary to have fun at a bike park, although on the dh I felt super stable and faster
Something I feel is often overlooked in the DH versus Enduro bike is longevity and abuse. Enduro bikes can absolutely handle any bike park these days, but I have found that 1x12 drivetrains really suffer when used on a regular basis at a bike park. With such long derailleur cages they are extremely susceptible to poor shifting performance when the hanger gets slightly bent. For that reason alone I still have a DH bike for bike park duties. Sure a slightly bent hanger can be straightened but if you don't have any other bike to ride you are SOL while your ride is in the shop.
This is a good point, I noticed my DH bike I rented only had a few gears in the back. But my enduro at home has 11 and I can never get it adjusted quite right. Simpler is better when you only need a few gears and definitely don't want to have a shifting malfunction getting speed for a jump or drop. Plus, the park was brutal on me and the bike. I think I'll just rent when I go.
Good point. I usually ride single speed in parks
Another Lunch Break video :o First 50toVegan now you.
Thanks for making it more enjoyable :)
YT Industies for life
Downhill bikes are awesome but only really useable where you have reliable uplift / chairlifts. Can't really pedal up the hills with em. For that reason, I could never own a DH (as I can only really afford a single bike) so enduro has to be the choice 👌🏻
Thats why you need to come to the bike park
You really push the wrecker on the bike park! Great to see that. How do you feel about the larger wheel on the rear? I know the YT is not super boost, but it would be fun for you to run 27.5 in the rear and compare it to the 29er rear. In the bike park the low bottom bracket shouldn't be as much of an issue.
Wrecker eats it aaaaaalll
Wondering how it compares to a Transition Spire bike
8 minutes in to the video it just it Me… that is one quiet bike!
Sick riding on that wreckoning :) How tall are you? torn between the new insurgent with 27.5s and a wreckoning....I'm 6'1''
I did Whistler in 2017 on a 2014 Trance. Even did a run of Top of the World! 10 days later my hands and body were wrecked, but boy did we have some fun!
I love the whistler videos! How long are you staying for??
My S5 stumpjumper is just as long as a modern DH bike, but it has trail suspension, so I'm curious to see how it performs in the park
You should check your light parameters, as the bright spots and dark shadows are a bit extreme, also consider higher framerates, but that's probably just personal taste
It was a high contrast day, not much you can do about it except get a camera with a better dynamic range. I also don't like high frame rates, I prefer 24.
@@VanCan I ain't no expert but i can suggest u check the boostmaster tutorial that just dropped, maybe u can find enlightenment there
you need your DH rig for Cypress shuttle laps
Guys are sending it
I just want to ride at Whistler some day, I don't care if it's on a city e-bike!
LOL, same!
So book the ticket and I will show you around bro
Whistler looks so fun I think I might go next year for the first time in the summer season. Would you say the cases on A-Line are pretty forgiving or harsh.
lessgoooooo
Definitely forgiving, at least compared to Dirt Merchant. But the jumps are big, make no mistake. The camera doesn't do them justice. I thought I would go to Whistler and smash A-line, but I actually had way more fun on Crank It Up. That's a really long trail with _tons_ of jumps! It doesn't get nearly as much camera time on RUclips though.
Practice on crank it up and then move over to A-line. Did that with my girlfriend to work on her confidence. In the end end, she nearly cleared all jumps on A-line
Great video 🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
time for an xc bike next :D
what did you think about the Norco, was better than the evil. I'm having a hard time deciding between the Norco and the
wreckoning what do you think I should get.
I’m not much of a park rider but great watch…
Legit video! I’m now pretty confident my Yeti SB165 can handle the park. Thanks mate!
Of course it can 🤷🏼♂️
The 165 is designed for the park
Trust me, I realize that. Can’t help but be skeptical when all I’ve ridden in parks is a DH rig.
Awesome video 🤩👌
Whissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssslerrrr !!!!!
Last year me and my friend brought The da Vinci Wilson and a giant glory things to boost master and Wesley showing us 26 in Isn't dead both have dj bikes as well nothing like riding a downhill bike it's like a monster truck places me and my friend ride a dh bike is necessary if anyone knows Cannock chase in the UK then there is some gnarly shit in that place if you know where to look I understand why people are switching to Endura bikes DH is sometimes overkill unless you are doing rampage or hardline or doing 10m stair Gaps on the street or just chilling in Utah then dh bike is necessary
Red Tues in Pinkbike buy & sell section soon? 😂
Regular and irregular depends on what foot you have forward!
Not everyone has the right foot forward.
So basically the judges at competitions will look at your foot Position
But which one is which 🤔
@@VanCan tailwhip: easier to tailwhip clockwise with your right foot in the back
Ahh I know about tail whip directions. I’m talking about moto whips.
@@VanCan I think that doesn’t matter what it is, i think it’s the same procedure
And Norco just dropped the new Range. Yeah you can ride park.
My custom 2020 Reign Carbon 180-160mm does everything at the park. Second season 1-2 park days a week, zero issues.
hey, are you ever planning on going back to a capra as your main bike?
Great video, Schleyer is one trail that ticks the DH bike box?
yes
Whistler is TOP
Was the Enduro better at the park?
was the wreckoning stable?
I’m gonna be at Whistler on July 2! Are you still gonna be there?
Did you get to use the enduro at wbp? Curious if you have any thoughts on comparison
sick
Sick video 😍 I love a video 🤘🏼💨
Ps- sorry I’m French gays, ( désolé de l’écrire)
Guys*
@@fazza2104 gay means happy in the U.K.. true story. 🤣
Do u need as full face helmet to ride at whistler bike park?
Yummmmmmmyyyyyy
POV you ride an enduro bike and are faster then everyone at the bike park on a dh bike
reg and oppo for whips is whatever is more and less comfortable for the rider
No, i think it’s because of the foot Positioning.
Tailwhipping is easier to the direction where the back foot can give more power to. It gives you more momentum. (Right foot back-> tailwhip clockwise)
how are the TRP brakes mate !? thinking of changing out my hopes for a pair?
I like them a lot. Lighter pull like Shimano but still some modulation
Can you ride a dirt jumper at whistler bike park?
Can you please do a cable tidy on your bars my ocd is going crazy seeing those long cables haha
Maybe they’re long for a reason 🧐
Next decade: every 1 using trail bikes now
2 decades later: xc
which flip chip setting do you prefer on your bike?
X-Low
Hey VanCan, what is the trail at 3:50 which leads into Fade to Black?
Ninja cougar
@@VanCan Thanks!
Love it Can!!
How long would it realistically take to ride these trails like you? If you’re basically a beginner. But willing to practice 2-3 times a week
that depends on a lot of things like your willingness to go even when you're scared, but also not be fearless, and also the terrain you practice on if you practice riding a dirt road you might never get there, but on trails and easier parks it's really up to your comfort and how good you are at picking up new skills.
how does a DH casing roll faster... ill give you the 29s roll faster.
now you know what it is like to be bcpov
What GoPro are you using?
Hero 9
@@VanCan looks so smooth, but maybe that's your great riding 🤔
Just saying you definitely done need a down hill bike I had fun on my 120 trail bike sooooo I'm just saying have fun on what you got. I did you get a new YT Capra and its a lot of fun but still.
That's what this video is about
i personally feel that dh bikes arent fully necesarry at most bikes park. At my bike park you need a dh bikes since its only chunk and no jumps but at Whistler you don't have to have one.
Sell the DH bike and get a hardtail for your second bike
Why would u wanna get rid of a dh bike over some enduro bike. They are still no where close to replacing DH bike in literally everyone else’s book.
The exposure in this video is a little different compared to your other videos! It’s a little difficult to watch when it gets bright out. But good runs!
you can ride whistler on a hardtail, just depends how fast you want to go.
Rider skill > bike. A good rider can make a bike but a bike can’t make a good rider IMO. Barelli ran a-line on a cross bike a few years back lol.
my buddy rode a gt hardtail at a bike park
i rode a 80 mm department store bike at boyne highlands bike park
Yeah you can easily ride an enduro in Whistler because the trails are manicured and it is not steep. Do the same thing in the alps, you will not gonna survive there for a week. Also i easily cracked my Norco Sight in Whistler while my Gambler has 200 bikepark days in Chatel, Les Gets, Verbier and Whistler.
Why not just write "my enduro bike in this video has 170mm of front travel" in the description ? I clicked your "evil wreckoning V3 link and had to advance to 5:37 into that video just to find out what the front travel is on your enduro bike which is the main content of this video. Without googling further, I still do not know how much travel your rear shock shown in this video has.
Next time, I will not click on your additional video link and simply google the "Evil Wreckoning V3" to find the information that is of upmost relevance to this video.
The content is great and keep up the good work. See you at the Whistler Mountain Bike Park.
Camera setting seem a bit over exposed on this one, but great video non-the less
Why do you feel the need to whip the bike every single time u leave the ground?
Sell the tues
Title - "Can You Ride An Enduro Bike at Whistler Bike Park?
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Meanwhile here I am wanting to go there with my Hard tail or a good trail bike
Sell that DH bike!!
In these days doesn’t really matter I would say
stumpy EVO?
U seem like u would need a 29 er dh buke
Man, make that tire eat dirt until you have to do the same!
It's annoying how often everyone just rides A-Line...Film other trails we never see