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Have been eagerly waiting for this discussion given all the discourse around the film. Fruitful discussion and good panel as always. I love how all your panel members ( based on the content I watched till date ) are calm, open to opinions, don't try hard to rub off their opinions on to others yet firmly convey their point, basically good speakers and especially good listeners, which I notice most of the panel members in many other settings generally lack. Good panels like these serve the main purpose of having discussion and makes it very pleasant for the listeners. Really appreciate the panel's interview etiquette and definitely the team's pick.
P.S - Personal review in the reply section of this comment. If anyone is interested, check it out.
These are my thoughts after watching the movie and this discussion.
Before that, a little dive into my perspective before watching the film.
I wanted to watch Baby in theaters but for some reason I couldn't. After seeing people's polarizing opinions, senseless reactions on the social media and director's grief in interviews that his sincere attempt and good intentions have been misunderstood by the audience, I empathized with the director. On top of that, one of the critics called it a feminist film, all this made the film a must-watch for me. From what i gathered reg the story outline from the director's interview - It is about is about childhood love, the guy fails 10th, turns into an auto-driver but the girl goes on to pursue engineering, where due to an unusual incident in her life and the usual real-life-like bad influences, she chooses to cheat on her boyfriend as she thought, that was the only way out. Coz she had no one to turn to and definitely not her boyfriend as he is very aggressive, abusive and all. Finally she confesses to her boyfriend but the boyfriend keeps on saying that his love is true and all but lacks the maturity to accept her. This is the brief I gathered from a couple of his interviews. After all this discourse I initially felt this is feminist film, on paper it felt like one. Reason I thought this is a feminist story is, this story has a space for a girl to make a mistake. I felt like this story finally treated a girl like a human, where any human irrespective of gender makes a mistake. See, feminism is about equality, and nowadays it is mostly centered around equality in opportunities. But equality should be beyond opportunities like perceiving one gender's mistake as human and the other's as a sin is condemn-able. I liked how this story has touched this point. Again we don't know if this was the director's core intention as he mentioned in an interview that storyline developed from the horrible Salem incident. I also drew parallels in my mind to the Malayalam film 'Hridhayam', a coming-of-age story of Arun, who made bad decisions in college, hurted two women Darshana and Maya who genuinely loved him. He was almost very close to cheating Darshana and Maya( reg Maya in that scene where he asks her to come to a hotel, but her senior understands his intentions and saves Maya, I used the word save because Arun never loved Maya, her existence to him was to justify his ego and insecurity and revenge over Darshana). When Arun marries and Darshana doesn't move on, I read so many comments like she's clingy and generalising it to women. But very surprising here in Baby movie, when Anand doesn't move on, it is conceive as true love. When Arun marries, he welcomes life. But when Vaishnavi married, audience called her a cheat and what-not! Typical hypocrisy I thought and blamed the audience for totally for not understanding the film( before watching the film just based on their reactions and director's interview)
Now let's dive into the after-thoughts.
I loved how the director established the Vaishnavi's and Anand's characters in the first half, especially their weakness( couldn't think of the apt word here, consider it as innate human emotional limitation instead like a negative shade), weakness as in if you see Vaishnavi's character, she liking a rich lifestyle is both aspirational but also sort of a weakness, which is established in a scene where she leaves her friend, Kusuma on their way to home from college when Viraj offers her a lift. He kinda insulted or ignored Kusuma in a not-so-polite way by only offering lift to Vaishnavi. If Vaishnavi were someone who didn't find cars and all interesting, she would decline the lift at the moment although she likes him because she doesn't want her friend to feel left out.
Similarly in Anand's character, he has established from the beginning through his mother's character that he does lack certain empathy, ( I'm not saying a 10th class boy who lost his father must act like a mature adult, just trying to interpret the director's writing) and one more brilliant point is, Anand is a Trivikam's fan, i.e he cinematic in real life. He fails to acknowledge that those cinematic writings which he deeply admires which, may not be close to reality, are seeping into his world-view. The director keeps establishing the fact that his admiration translates more into a world-view which is drifting away from reality rather than into poetry. I mean we know for a fact how few people who deeply admire cinema are like, they are more dramatic, more punch-lines, more poetry, too much reading into normal situations, weird interpretations out of no-where. His trait was established in the first half and also seemed consistent in the 2nd half. He also establishes that he is short-tempered, verbally abusive, also if he is lil off balance for a long time, he might cause serious harm as well.
Now, what personally didn't work for me(other than the points mentioned in the pod) is mainly the inconsistency in the character arcs especially Anand and Viraj. Viraj, according to the director, is a manipulative guy, who uses flattery and his financial status i.e gifts as a means to manipulate Vaishnavi. Such a guy, who behaves absurdly like blackmailing her and all, he initially cries when she offers to come to his home and then immediately behaves like a psycho forcing her to wear a saree and all. I can't wrap my head around the fact that a character like him who did want what Vaishnavi offered as a means of settlement, why the hell did he cry? Such a disconnect.
But the major disconnect was Anand's character arc, who comes off as someone who has borderline personality disorder, how does he become such a calm person in the second half .Ala manushulu maara koodadhu ani kaadu, maarpu machide gaani . Again going back to the Hridhyam example, there is change in Arun's character because he has witnessed two deaths, Maya's father and Selva and also mainly because of a strong influence like Selva and the community around. But, here, what has transformed a guy like Anand? Given his background and limited exposure to the world, who is not okay with his girlfriend going to pub, abusing his girlfriend, who gets frustrated when Vaishnavi doesn't lift calls, has anger issues, is suddenly okay with the concept of break in a relationship, just after one argument in the interval. Real-life characters antunnapudu, second-half lo kooda real life lo unnatu unadali kada. Other than his rage where he takes a knife to kill her, I felt the character arc is inconsistent.
Also I felt there were few unnecessary dialogues which seemed like director taking side( whether he did intentionally or not), which could have been avoided or modified given the sensitivity of story the director chose. For example in that scene, where Anand realizes and feels guilty after his mother's death. He compares his mother's love and Vashnavi's and says a line, 'Idhi prema ra ledha adhi prema aa ra'. Despite his young age, it boils down to his lack of empathy and incapability to look after his mother, isn't it his choice to give your time and attention a girl his loved rather than to his mother who was always kind and had no fault other than being born deaf and mute. What is the point of venting it on Vaishnavi? Suppose she did cheat him intentionally. Even then he don't have any right to blame Vaishnavi completely for how he treated his mom. Ofc this dialog shows his immaturity to realize what went wrong from his side. The last part of second half is mostly filled with such dialogs, saturating with only Anand's perspective, which seemed like the director took side but all those dialog just reflect his immaturity. Obviously there was no proper justice done to Vaishnavi's character, this cannot be definitely defended under the umbrella of subtlety. The director could have definitively done a better job here.
The director starting off the film with Anand and closing with Anand( despite Vaishnavi's long stare) and the quote reg first love's impact, doesn't fit off well why in the first place he wanted to explore the Salem incident and the character's not-so-mature behavior given their age. Is this a story about him exploring what might have been in the girl's perspective in the Salem's incident or is it about first love and it's deep impact till last breath. I feel he could have blended these both only if he took us into Vaishnavi's head in the second half.
Now coming to the point of why it was perceived by the audience the way it was perceived(my opinion). The primary mistake made by makers is how they cut the trailer. The trailer cut is really taking a side. What else would you expect the audience to perceive given the trailer. Second, was obvious the film itself, not giving voice to Vaishnavi's character in the second half and saturation of Anand's perspective towards the end. Third, marketing of the film when it released on OTT. The notifications reg the movie were mostly again in Anand's and Viraj's victimization favor. I feel when you chose a sensitive topic like this extra care has to be taken in the marketing perpective, ofc not all reactions can be gauged and controlled but these were the factors which the makers could control, right? Atleast after OTT release. Also not to forget that they have been in cinema and this is not the first film where there is suddenly hypocrisy around women. More care would have been highly appreciated.
I have no hate towards the director, this is purely personal opinion and perspective, voicing out because and for the love of cinema, Telugu cinema. In fact I have so much respect towards the director for his journey and how he has re-invented himself from 'Hrudhaya Kaleyam' to 'Baby', with a National Award awarding film like 'Color Photo' in his credit. More power to him. Just the negativity towards Vaishnavi the character and especially the actor in real life is very disturbing, and what I felt is, it totally not the audience who are at fault.
Thank you for this, team! Effective and lovely one as always.
P.S: Sorry for such a lengthy comment. But whoever has made this far thank you so much for your time and patience. I'll work on my writing skills next time. I really don't have any energy left to edit and make it concise this time.
@@sree_G Thanks for the kind words. Hridayam analogy was on point.
Couple of points i wanted to highlight here :
1. Viraj is basically a mondi pilladu . Vadiki kavalsindi dorike daaka edaina chestadu. Anduke bordeline pyschotic annam .
2. Irrespective of the marketing and trailer, director cinema lone side theskunnadu.
@@ChitraAlochana Yeah, I totally agree with your second point that director took a side in the movie. I personally felt that too. The reason I'm giving the director benefit of doubt is coz of his intentions. To add to your argument, he has confessed in Film Companion interview that he has a problem with procrastination and he wrote dialogs/scenes just before the shoot. He also said there's no script for this film. Although they are very human traits, I felt he could be more responsible with a film like this. Actually, the marketing and trailer add more to argument that he has taken side. I agree he has failed with maintaining a neutral perspective in Baby. There's no doubt about it. The reason I'm giving him a benefit of doubt is his intentions, they seemed good despite his improper execution due to his own limitations. I had a hope, maybe if he didn't procrastinate like he confessed and if script was ready before the film, it wouldn't the same. Didn't want to jump into conclusion that he did take side intentionally in this movie. I wanted to wait for his future projects to decide on that. Coz no one's intentions can be hidden for longer, especially with filmmakers.
And, thanks a lot for patiently reading such a long comment!
@Sree_G Appreciate you taking time in watching the whole discussion and then spending even more in writing down your thoughts, very elaborately and with such passion. Really appreciate your love for Telugu Cinema as well.
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Lot of scope for interpretation.Sai Rajesh anna manchi writer 🫡
Some thoughts of director that are being ignored,
1) slut-shamed women can also have a happy ending(of course because of good parents)
2) it's Anand's choice to be pathetic at the end
3)vaishu also is not that happy with current marriage as anand is her first n true love
Pruthvi and Mounika are to the point and it is white washing done throughout the film and you got it right and Thanks for highlighting this and director clearly took stand for Anand and he was never with Vaishnavi. Sandy and Missamma got it totally wrong
Sai Rajesh oka type of audience ke chala connect ayya la dialogues rasaruu,,,maadhi B center 2weeks continue house full
Ee movie lo Sita ane character story ni nadipinchindi. Asalu director emo vaishnavi ki sympathy teyyaboyi anand ki tecchadu kaani chuste Sita ee movie ni nadipistundi. So sita is main character who played games with 3 characters. Aamene Viashnavi ki groom chesindi, aamene intimate avvamani suggestion icchindi, video record chesindi, time vacchinappudu send chesindi..
Live lo chusetapudu ardam kale kani, nenu 14 jul ki fdfs kella baby ki, appatinundi social media enno videos chusa kani kallu theripinchindi ante CA ne 🫡🩷
Ironically, Sai Rajesh underwriting/unclear communication is what is driving the film to more audiences due to polarising responses. It feels similar to companies or people posting typos/misinformation intentionally so that people will comment and engage more. Though, in this case. It's probably unintentional.
Correctly said
This is first time .. I felt u totally u got it wrong...everywhere it's shaded..he has shown fair on both sides.. ammai aasha padindi crush la anthe .. she wants to share her life only with Anand.. ammai Naku ekkada negative anipinchaledu...Naku em kalagaledu sympathy Anand meda.. infact vyshnavi pain is more visible than Anand's pain..last lo anand ki okadike pain aa em matladutunnaru bhayya... vyshnavi ki inkokaditho kapuram chestu unte aa ammai pain meku artam kaleda ..intha clear ga undi..sandy has good points...misamma made sense . Viraj character is real... N the way he behaved is not convinience of director...he is real.. everything in this movie happens is real.. execution u may question..
Meku viraj charector real endhu anipinchadantey because you liked the charectar of vaishnavi...think again if not you will clearly notice that viraj is just there to establish that visnavi is manipulated by some other guy that's it...his charector has no consistency
@@MuniManohar-xz9hx kaadu..viraj lanti vallu epuduu untaru .. they always manipulate girls to have love r sex r watever ..valla soft male ego boost kosam enni manipulations aina chestaru ...vallaki okasari sex aithe their ego get satisfied
Men usually shout in the movie theaters women don’t. But it doesn’t take away the mindset where they are coming from.
Highly Misandric Gynocentric discussion.
Viraj didn't blackmail her. She blackmailed Viraj with fake case despite kissing him with out consent.
He kept video for protection.
Baby cinema oka nibba nibbi cinema anukunte anthakante pedha nibba nibbila discussion eh ee video😂
And one thing you guys missed …….Last scene lo Vaishu inti bayata oka customer vachi Auto naduputhunna Anand ni “Babu, bus-stand ki vastava??” ani aduguthadu….Did director want to convey that Anand bathuku bus-stand ayyindhi ani ?? 😂😂too much meta ga think chesadu SaiRazesh😂😂
"Ee vishayam director ki thelusa?" 😂
I don't think proud should normalize liking someone and loving someone else bruh
King cinema dialogue "nee burra lo kuda chetta undi adi paper meeda Inka chettaga thayaravthundi"😂..... Just for fun guys
Omg seriously how can anand likes it when she says dabba phone and praise iphone given by psycho viraj ??? Seriosuly ?? In which angle he has to enjoy when she praises iphone and says dabba phone given by him.. omg omg cant believe
So anand insecure unte.. vaishnavi pakkana vaadini gokinda ??? Seriosuly ??? Anand is not insecure all he said was not to go to pubs as he knows ppl get spoiled when goes to pubs, he used L word after so much frustation as he get irritated when vaishnavi said dabba dabba phone n number of times.. all he has is anger issues thats not insecure
pruthvi ki cinemakanna Sai Rajesh ante ekva hate/kopam unnattu undi
Starting lo disclaimer ivvadaniki kuda kaaranam ade. Hatred laaga bayatiki vasthe adi naa thappu. Na disappointment/rage anedi directed towards the film kaani evarini personal ga uddeshinchi aithe kaadu.
@@PruthviEshwarPhotography understood u bro, ala portray aithundi,
Pruthvi was clear that director is missleading audience with his interviews.
Who is misamma and mounikaal and akhil? Do they have any socials or RUclips channels?
Darr chudaleda inkem chusaru bro cinephiles antaru
chusina cinema meedha vaadi interpretation isthe vaadni cinephile antaaru...cinemalu chusevadni kaadu.....
My view is director knowingly did took the side of anand and he dont want to say it openly because then the women may tolly reject this movie... movie lo cheppakunda interviews lo chepthey evvarki telusthadi.we cant trust endhukantey mari inni loose ends undavu if was really trying to do a balanced movie.
Director chala interviews lo cheppadu idhi salem lo jarigina oka incident ni base cheskoni story thayaru chesaru ani...oka ammayi two-timing chesthe vallidharu kalisi aameni murder chesaru ani...alanti point meedha story prepare chesthe aa ammayi bad avadam natural plus indhulo murder kuda chupinchaledhu society ki wrong message velthundhi ani...chanipoyinattu chupisthe maybe vaishnavi character meedha sympathy vachundedhi...vaishnavi's side teeskovali ante aame chesindhi correct ani chupinchali..how is it possible? Anand & viraj ki last lo okesari thelisi aameni attack chestharu as per the real incident ante aame iddarni mosam chesinatte kadha..ikkada valla side aa veella side aa ani kadhu, story line prakaram script ready cheskunnaru..in fact anand's mother chanipoyinappudu athani meedha kopam vasthundhi evariki ayina thalli ni assalu pattinchukoledhu ani
Sandy worst judgement.. anand asalu college ki vadu anadu.. adi pubs ani change avutunte appudu antaadu.. funny you are not understood the movie but talking about it 😂😂😂😂😂
Inta discussion avasarama mv mida ?
Cut to 10 years later..
The realization: A age lo foolishness untadi.. ilane untayi discussions..
It's 100% clear that Director jst played a victim card in his interviews to maintain his dignity in the society, poor writing and extremely bad direction
Sandy ane vyakthi evaraithe ee video lo unnaro vaariki clear ga chepthuna ee nibba cinema lo anand ane character ki ekkada insecurity ledhu, he was genuine and honest towards his girlfriend anthe. inka nuvvu 28 mins daggara annav kadha heroine CLG lo join avuthunnappudu hero heroine madhya dooram perigi pothundi ani anand anadu heroine vaishnavi antundhi . 45 mins varaku ee video chusanu ee video kurchoni matlade vallaki assalu ee chinna nibba cinema gurinche discussion cheyadam chethakatledu anipinchindi , malli ee channel peru chitralochana what a pity . all the independent minds stay away from this bull shit
Bro, Anand Ane character genuine eh, alane vaadi insecurity kuda genuine eh....
Prithvi bhayya inkosaari movie chusthe artham aithadi emo nee independent brain ki Anand insecurities. Andaru ammailu okate Ani dialog deggara kanipinchaleda insecurity neeku?
And let us be better people and nachakapothe nachaledu Ani cheppu.. woke nibba Ani anavasaramaina language enduku
@@sandilya041 bro all anand said throughout the movie was "vaishnavi na pilla ra" which indicates that he was possessive towards her and it was not his insecurity, and also around 28th minute of the discussion you said that "CLG join ayithe tanaki vaishnavi ki madhya dooram peruguthundi emo ani Anand bhayapaddadu " kaani akkada bhayam vyaktham chesindhi vaishnavi appudu hero ne thanani comfort chestadu .hero tells her not to go to the pub! thats only because he doesn't like the pub culture and he feels vaishnavis life might get spoiled due to bad influences if she goes to such places( which eventually did happen in the movie) , inka heroine eh vachi nenu pub ki vellina thaagina ani direct ga cheppinappudu insecurity tho unde person ayithe ala react avvadu enduku vellinav evaditho padukunnav ani aduguthadu . intha cheppina kuda anand dhi insecurity ne ani nuvvu feel ayithe nuvvu alaage feel avvu, nenu maathram avvanu.
@@vipinchandra3336 bhaiya woke nibba anetatuvanti padhanni records lonchi tholaginchatam jarigindhi , Inkasari aa cinema chusentha shakthi naa independent brain ki ledhu. And naaku gurthu unnantha varaku andharu "ammailu" okate ani hero annaledhu anukunta andharu ani common ga annadu without mentioning any gender so your statement justifying heroes insecurity goes wrong , hero just doesnt like the pubculture and he tells heroine not to go there just like teenage lo unnappudu mana parents manalni mandhu cigerate ki dooramga undamani cheppinatlu daani insecurity kaadhu concern antaru. Migilina explanation Vere reply lo pettanu chaduvukondi and when you guys are quoting something accurate ga quote cheyandi appudu cheppedhaniki ardham untadhi.
@@prithvikumar5857 So, Anand em chepte, ade cheyyali antav Vaishnavi, enduku ante vadu cheppindi correct ayyindi last ki, anthena? Vadu naa pilla ra ante chaala? Anand ki Vaishanvi thappa vere prapancham eh telidu, Pub ki eltondi antey, adi possessiveness ah, concern ah? And nuvvu annate, Vaadu ade ante antadu direct ga...L word vadathadu ame meeda. Dani meaning enti ?
"quoting something accurate ga quote cheyandi appudu cheppedhaniki ardham untadhi."? _ Neeku ide vartistundi. Naaku gurtu unnatavaraku ani antunnav nuvve, how accurate is that?. And Anand antaadu, Andaru ammayilyu okate ani....
Anand oka insecure person, idi director eh kaadu annadu, nuvvu vachi defend chestunnav ikkada vadini...anyways.
I felt anands dialogues in second half is cringe..