These guys ride a ton of miles on many sleds and give non biased reviews, yet MOST people giving an opinion here, probably haven't ridden the opposition at all out of stubborn and short sighted brand dedication. Good job Snowtrax!! Show me the good and let me decide for myself.
You did not mention, the 650 is calibrated to run on 87 octane fuel. That, on top of the increased fuel efficiency, makes for major savings at the pump. 👍🏼
That's a huge plus for me though my 2006 Yamaha Attack runs way to rich so I add about 2 gallons of E-85 to every tank then fill with 87 Octane.. A few years ago Polaris sleds had a switch to change the timing curve for low octane or high octane gas.. which I thought was a good idea
Most of the newer Polaris sleds have a resistor behind the left side panel that you unplug and switch positions for regular or premium fuel little (small yellow plug/ box)
@@northerntoyota7584 850 was no flop. Its was a MASSIVE success. Problems from the first year were taken care of better than any manufacturer ever has. There isnt a single sled on the market that doesnt suffer from some small problem from time to time. The 850, statistically, is among the best on the market. I know, because ive seen the actual numbers.
Luke, excellent video. Great job walking us thru the new Matrix. Having rode them myself, your comments are right on par with what I experienced riding it. See you on the trail!
@@bradyvanvliet7721 No. Most likely Doo will make a 650 quick. Probably be more durable and better on fuel and oil by 20%. Kinda thought doo would make the 650 first actually.
@@pavmentsurfer13 No because ski doo launched it first! 😂😂. In all reality no, because every company is trying to play catch up with ski doo. Look over history and you’ll see every innovation ski doo has made, Polaris has copied 2-4 years later down the road. Ski doo innovates, Polaris copies. It’s as simple as that.
I bought the new Matryx Assault 146 with the 650. Gas mileage is awesome 83 miles on 3.8 gallons of gas with several pulls in-between up to 70 mph and driving between 25-45 mph with an average around 30 MPH.. Not broken in yet either
Thank for the thorough review about the changes and riding/handling/build qualities. I do think this 650 is going to be a very popular engine. In talking about the standard equipment on an INDY XC Launch Edition, @6:11, you say it gets the standard PIDD gauge. That is the previous GPS gauge that was introduced in MY15 when the AXYS was introduced. None of the Polaris documentation agrees with you on this. It shows the Message Center (non GPS) gauge for the Launch Edition.
After few days of heavy You tube reseach, I bought an Indy 137 Launch850! in big part due to you guys!( and a little grunge at BRP). looking fwd to the winter!
They look like an Awsome sled, but are missing one thing. Once I switched to a four stroke, I swore I’d never go back to a two stroke. I know everyone has an opinion, but that’s mine. For the type of riding that I do.... I think I’ll stay with Ski-doo
Agree 100% with you Luke. The 850 etc comes out a runs against the 800s. Skidoo guys don’t comment about that. But Polaris comes out with a 650. Skidoo guys are butt hurt saying it’s not in the 600 class because it’s a 650.🤷♂️
Great job showcasing all the great new additions to the Polaris fleet. Darn it, I Snow Checked a 2020 SBA last spring . I love it ,but will have to wait till next spring to upgrade to Matryx.
I asked about this on Polaris’s IG and they didn’t respond back. To me the tunnel and bulkhead look very similar to the Axys. I think it’s just different plastics, suspension, etc. It doesn’t really make sense to call it a new chassis, but it’s just for marketing purposes. Axys isn’t outdated at all so I was expecting this.
There alot of similarities and alot of differences. Front and rear suspensions are the same. No difference. Bulkhead and tunnel is slightly different. Everything bolted TO the chassis including the whole over structure is COMPLETELY different. At the end of the day though the only thing that matters is how it works. Is it better than the AXYS... yes... alot. How they got there is of secondary concern, at least for me.
I hope ALL the major oems develop & utilize a trail map & rider buddy link system. AND I mean one that ALL sleds can link to. I ride Doo. My friends ride poo. It'd be great to have interconnectivity
If download the ride command app on your phone, your friends can see you on their screens. (when in cell service). If you buy a trail tech GPS gauge, you can see your friends and they can see you. Most people dont know that Polaris owns trailtech and their GPS gauges are ride command compatible
@@Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations they should forget about the "Aston-Martin inspired" headlights and come up with something more appealing for 2022. Matryx chassis itself looks awesome though.
at 1:21 the 84mm stroke of the Patriot 650 is the same as the Patriot 850. The cylinder bore of the Patriot 650 is 74.8mm for 650cc, while the Patriot 850 has a 85mm bore, 840cc.
You ever ride in tight twisty trails for a continuous 6 or 7 miles , never excedeing 25 mph? These trails are all over. Ride with grandkids or newbies?
Put a go pro on your sled. Video for 1/2 hour. Likely majority of your riding is low rpm, this goes for racers also. Most riding is in low/mid range. Watch a Mx/sx race. Very seldom are they at wot wide open throttle.
Polaris makes good handling sleds.. If they can match Skidoo gasoline and oil Economy I would be interested.. I would like to race in Cross Country races.. which is limited to 600 CC's I think the 650 would be a no go .. Also I see Polaris is playing catch up to Skidoos Luggage racks and storage capacity ..
@CHARLES HANSEN I have a 2006 Yamaha Attack they do allow them to race .. I think I would have a huge advantage on the Lake Races.. It really is Heavy and Top Heavy the skid gave out so I bought a Team Fast Air Suspension for it.. they people at USXAC told the Yamaha was too old and heavy to be completive .. then they told me that with the aftermarket Suspension it would not be legal .. My other sled is a 2014 Skidoo Renegade 800 they don't allow 800 two strokes and the 2014 Renegade folds like an Accordion if you ride it hard.. I need to order some braces for it that will help a little ..
@@bedlambikes Hmm the4 only accessory that I have for my Doo it a gas can .. I was meaning to get a luggage case and have not done it yet.. Not enough snow in my area to ride the last two years.. Maybe everything will be on sale at the end of the season .. My Local Power Sports dealer must of had over 50 new sleds on the show room floor yet two weeks ago
I don’t give ANY credit to test riders who call an engine a “motor”. They are NOT motors they are ENGINES!! And where is the direct injected engines from Polaris? AXYS is in no way better handling than a Ski-Doo XRS. The Polaris sleds are still loud and make loys of noise. The doo ETEC ENGINES are sewing machine smooth with super responsive clutching thanks to innovative pDrive clutch. Poo still with P-85 clutch 35 yr old technology
I am interested in a newer sled but I am not sure which I would go with. I would be more of a 80% trail 20% off trail rider. I am a fan of Polaris. It's not that I don't like any of the others I just have grown up on Polaris and have always had good luck. What Polaris would you recommend for someone that mainly rides trails but wants the capability to go off trail if I ever get the chance? Thanks for any insight on this. I have been really wanting the switchback assault but I am not a 50/50 rider so I wasn't sure if that would be the sled for me.
Let’s get a review on the Arctic Cat zr 6000 R XC. Cat is selling it as a trail sled in the 600 class. With its longer front arm, the rear skid handles much better than regular slide action. Would love to see what you guys think about it.
They took the Ayxs and made it more like a Ski Doo, color options not there, no XCR 137, put Velocities on with a soft calibration, I don’t get it. I like the 650 idea but you can keep the fancy gauge as I ride to get away from tech. How about focus on better suspension options for heavier people or people that ride aggressively.
how can the 650 be more efficient than e tec? the base design is destined to spit out gas through the exhuast port due to it not being direct injected as the e tec. smells like bs to me
Since the Matryx platform corners flatter, does it approach the handling of the current Cat ProCross chassis? I'm mainly asking about the front suspension.
I've heard the seat is 1 inch lower as well. If this is true tall guys won't like this. Can someone tell me if they really did make this sled for short people?
i have a 600 carb Polaris. I get same gas mileage as the Skidoo SDI 600 and 4stroke 1200 skidoo.. Now I'm leaned out on the edge all the time. But I arg 16mpg. I just watch my egt's and jet up or down accordingly. I can get 164 miles on a ten gallon tank. and use 1.2 liters of oil on that same drive.
So there is no way new technology can improve things? What if skidoo engineers had agreed with your comment and just given up on Etec? The 650 is a NEW motor. Its NOT the old 600... so yes, it is entirely believeable that it could have better fuel economy than the old 600 and possibly even Skidoos 600R. Time will tell.
Kathleen Cahill look for Levi LaVallee’s channel. I think he said Thursday is a video doing direct comparison on Rush and Pro S to these sleds. I’ve had both sleds 2010 and 2015. Everyone I’ve ever spoken to is nervous and says they’ll rebuild their motor. I hope it goes well and I need to be able to get a rack and saddle bags for camping too. Thanks good luck 😊❤️🇺🇸❄️☃️🛷⛺️
@@memez_ar_dreamz9177 Itll be interesting to see, I know they go on about how reliable the Poo 850 is, but I know more than a few guys that have constant ECM issues.
There is now 700 class. And, classes arent determined by horsepower. Its by engine displacement. Its funny that everyone was so impressed with the 850 Etec when it came out and "beat" everyone elses 800's. Now Polaris does the same thing in the 600 class and people are all up tight about it.
Been a Polaris guy for years and years. Last 2 sleds have been Doo’s bc of how lacking Polaris has been. I was so excited to see what Polaris was coming out with this year and by all means, I like what I’m seeing. But... they’ve overpriced themselves by a long shot. A similarly equipped SkiDoo is easily $1500 less than a VR1. Base model 850’s are nearly $2000 less. The “you get what you pay for” adage is simply just not true or valid argument. Give us new awesome tech in comparison with SkiDoo and we’ll start talking again. Until then, I’m going to save money and enjoy a new SkiDoo that’s just as nice for less cost.
Also- I like the idea of the 650 a lot. The 600’s are under-powered by today’s standards. Whereas the 850’s are the game changing area of torque. A true 140hp 650 motor would be a sweet spot for a lot of people. While the 850’s with the extra 25hp are really what most people who aggressive trail ride want (myself included).
New awesome tech? You mean like a 7 inch GPS enabled display that can track other riders in your group WITHOUT cell coverage, climate controlled hot grips? Fully customizable gauge screens? Other than Etec, tell me what technology skidoo does better than polaris right now?
@@pavmentsurfer13 Your bias is so obvious but here let’s lay out everything doo does better or first. Shot starting, flex edge track, short tunnel, better fuel economy, less expensive sleds, faster sleds, better fit and finish, turbo, reliability, and many many more. Oh and let’s not forget the most important one, SALES.
Ernie Ferguson You might want to get that looked into because my 600r runs about 22 mpg all year long. Quick stats for my sled: 19 600r renegade 137” 1.25” and it’s ridden balls the wall all 2500 miles a year
Obviously and it should be. Better engine, better chassis, better lighting, better electronics, better ordering options including far more choices in models and suspension, color choices and more track options, better included storage, enclosed footholds, much better running boards, and a confident front end Ski Doo can only dream of. Why do you think their new Pilot X ski isn't available on the 2020.5 models? It's STILL not giving them the results they were hoping for. Both fine machines, but Polaris is the industry sales leader now in 2 stroke trail sleds and their 2020 sales reflected that. And they just improved the machine big time. My last 4 brand new sled purchases were 3 Ski Doo's and one Cat. I'll be on a VR1 next winter.
@@ES-pr8bt Sorry, no... the new Skidoo gauge is really nice. But the Polaris gauge is better in every way. Ive spent alot of time with both now. I would pick the skidoo gauge over the new 7S from Polaris.
When they put the 650 in the rush platform then we’ll talk. Till then I don’t even wanna hear about it. And once again it is not the 600 class if it has 140 hp. I race sleds that one will race with the 700s.
Polaris Patriot motors have 2 fuel type settings that are configured thru the message center or gauge. 91 octane non ethanol fuel(91 octane or higher and NO ethanol) this setting will offer maximum performance. The other setting must be used for fuel that has less than 91 octane. It also should be used for fuel that contains ethanol. Polaris recommends a minimum of 87 octane fuel and no more than 10% ethanol, when using the proper Fuel Type Setting. No current 2 stroke Fuel injection Polaris motors use wiring changes or plugs to set fuel type.
closer look.... maybe open a side panel. New "platfrom," but we can't see it naked. Every year Polaris talks about their newest stuff but they never show the change. Lets see the chassis without the plastic. just like the pro cc rear skid. never showed or talked about the skid. Even you guys didn't show or talk about it till you got demo. I mean you said it was there, but never said what changed. You got in there with the rmotion x. why not the Polaris? contact obligations? Let snow check pass, then show more? go to Polaris website. not there either. just a generic pic of the sled. market your stuff correctly please.
The Pro CC skid was ALL NEW. There was no reason to talk abotu what was "different" because everything was different. In the case of R-Motion X, it looks the same but has numerous changes... so we talk about them. Dont know if you remember when Skidoo released the XS platform... but it was EXACTLY the same as the xp but wiht new plastic. The Matryx shares common parts with the XC, but has a bunch of new as well. We talk about it all the time.
This is a weird comment considering NO storage areas on ANY sled built today are lockable. Why would it all of a sudden be some huge problem? at least it takes some effort to remove the seat. Any other storage area is just a door with a quick latch.
@@pavmentsurfer13 I'm not concerned about the contents in the storage area, I'm thinking about people stealing the seat and selling it online (easy grab and $$$ sell). A tool-free removable part like a seat can make your ride very uncomfortable, if you are staying overnight someplace and don't find your seat there. If somebody takes a bogie wheel (which happened to friends overnight at motel) you can ride back to trailer. Somebody takes a side panel you can ride home. Yes, there other parts that can be removed but required tools and more time to do. Sometimes a specific part is more of a inconvenience than somebody stealing the whole sled. If there is way to engineer a specific part like this seat with a simple unique lock that is better engineering.
@@MarketParkIt problem with a key lock in outdoor conditions would be challenge. polaris offered lockable storage back in 04 i think, other problem polaris did not offer key blanks so customers could not get extras made
If it was true it's that they aren't needed very often, Polaris and Artic cat shops are swamped from all of the recalls and breakdowns. Too bad Yamaha is hooking up with Artic cat.
I just can't stand the Headlight look on the Matrix. The accent Light area should have been where the head Lights went. I can't handle the "THIN" body work. ESP at 6' 270lbs. For the Price!! I'll keep Driving the Yam/Cat and My 20 year old Polaris's. You'all always say. handles so Flat. Every time a new sleds comes out. Well ya. Your in Fluffy snow. Try Ice Oval racing one of these sleds.Still tights. until a rider takes out the high center of gravity. Snowmobile industry is going to go into a decline. #1 Over Priced!! #2 Still a snowmobile and require's a lot of Parts and Maintenance . Esp with a 500 mile belt life. Polaris needs to up the anti to 5000 mile belt change. And a 10 000 mile engine warranty or 6 years. Which ever comes first. Or just reduce the price to real world people prices. That would attract people back.
I love two strokes as much as anyone. My buddies have 850's, and they are remarkable machines. But on our 1200 mile trips, I'm not carrying a gallon of oil with me. Also, for the substantial investment it requires to get into one of these machines, I want to know it's gonna last 15000+ miles. The manufactures claim "4-stroke reliability" from the new powerplants, but ridin hard for that many miles, the two strokes will require more maintenance to achieve it. I will not even consider a two stroke any more, so they are leaving people like me completely out.
Polaris simply no longer has the appeal it desires with poor reliability over the years. But, my god, they are beautiful. If they had 4-stroke engines on the menu .... several snowmobilers would change manufacturers. In short, Polaris likes to do as it pleases, without listening to consumers. That's why we don't see many of them.
Actually, polaris reliability has been above average the past few seasons. Ive seen the industry numbers. And no, polaris doesnt ignore consumers. They listen to them very closely, this new sled is a prime example. More storage, better wind protection, better accessory integration, easier to see and use gauge, better hot grips... all things consumers have been asking for. They develop new platforms to give the consumer better ride and handling. A new motor to give the consumer more power and better economy. There will be a 4 stroke. But you dont just grab a 4 stroke motor off the shelf and slap it in a chassis. It takes years to develop a motor that works and still fits in the chassis without sacrificing ride and handling.
I have had better luck with my Polaris's reliability than other brands I have bought over the years and I love my axys ,I hope they didn't change much on this one other than the wind protection and hot grips cause other than that I thought the axys was damm near perfect for the type of riding my family does wich is mostly u.p. trail riding
.....Its still August and yet I'm waiting for the first frost and watching SnowTrax. Some of us have sledding in our blood 365 days a year.
bedlambikes and one fourth
Yep up to make midnight runs to snow
These guys ride a ton of miles on many sleds and give non biased reviews, yet MOST people giving an opinion here, probably haven't ridden the opposition at all out of stubborn and short sighted brand dedication. Good job Snowtrax!! Show me the good and let me decide for myself.
Id give you a hug if I could. Lol
Did you just say Non Biased? That’s a load of hogwash. Lol.
You did not mention, the 650 is calibrated to run on 87 octane fuel. That, on top of the increased fuel efficiency, makes for major savings at the pump. 👍🏼
That's a huge plus for me though my 2006 Yamaha Attack runs way to rich so I add about 2 gallons of E-85 to every tank then fill with 87 Octane..
A few years ago Polaris sleds had a switch to change the timing curve for low octane or high octane gas.. which I thought was a good idea
Most of the newer Polaris sleds have a resistor behind the left side panel that you unplug and switch positions for regular or premium fuel little (small yellow plug/ box)
@@007.3l The new one's its actually done through the gauge. But the maps are premium 91 octane or premium E-85/non ethanol 89 octane.
Who the hell runs 87...lmfao...dude if a few bucks is gunna break ya at the pump ur in the wrong sport 👊👊👍
@@mikemyers9389 Ummmm, high mile, money conscious, touring- hunting and trapping types.
I used to buy a new sled every two years... now I'm getting back into it and these videos provide very good information.
Thanks!!
Should be called the Polaris Channel
James Matthews lol! Polaris isn't very popular here in the north east. No 4 stroke, and their 850 was a flop
@@northerntoyota7584 ???? I've ridden over 40,000 miles here in the Northeast and they are everywhere.
James Matthews Polaris has not been beating the competition over the past few years
@@northerntoyota7584 850 was no flop. Its was a MASSIVE success. Problems from the first year were taken care of better than any manufacturer ever has. There isnt a single sled on the market that doesnt suffer from some small problem from time to time. The 850, statistically, is among the best on the market. I know, because ive seen the actual numbers.
@@northerntoyota7584 how so what is wrong with 850, please explain your expert opinion
"5 inches is a big deal." Just throwing that out there
that's what she said
Lol
Luke, excellent video. Great job walking us thru the new Matrix. Having rode them myself, your comments are right on par with what I experienced riding it. See you on the trail!
One year from now, likely crowned as the Real World Snowmobile of the Year
If you disagree with their thoughts on their comparisons all the time why come here and bitch. Grow up
Well when Polaris hands them the biggest yellow envelope(if you know what I mean) we all can pretty much figure out why.
I snowchecked mine this sled will be the best yet. assault 650 with the 1.5 ice storm blue and silver.
Hope you enjoy it bro!
Anything on the RAS X fellas?? Side by side would be valuable for those looking to snow check
Rode a 21 xrs few weeks back. It's very impressive. Front end stays planted extremely well. It literally wont ski lift at any speed.
Soon be time for new episodes. Can’t wait. Looking forward to trying out the new Matrix. Might be my next ride for 2022 650 is big enough for me now
what about your 019 850 that blew up or were you just blowing smoke you never owned one right
Thanks for the review - greatly appreciated. Just impatiently waiting on my VR1 850....
Awesome!!
Can't WAIT for the new RMK!!!
Agree with Luke, Axys chassis is the best on the market. Now this new design along with a new 650. Can’t wait to own one🤘👍
that 650 is really a game changer! great review SnowTrax!
Maybe the competition will come out with a 700. lol! wtf!
@@bradyvanvliet7721 Because the competition came out with a 900 to counter skidoos 850 when they did the same thing right?
@@bradyvanvliet7721 No. Most likely Doo will make a 650 quick. Probably be more durable and better on fuel and oil by 20%. Kinda thought doo would make the 650 first actually.
@@pavmentsurfer13 No because ski doo launched it first! 😂😂. In all reality no, because every company is trying to play catch up with ski doo. Look over history and you’ll see every innovation ski doo has made, Polaris has copied 2-4 years later down the road. Ski doo innovates, Polaris copies. It’s as simple as that.
I bought the new Matryx Assault 146 with the 650. Gas mileage is awesome 83 miles on 3.8 gallons of gas with several pulls in-between up to 70 mph and driving between 25-45 mph with an average around 30 MPH.. Not broken in yet either
Thank for the thorough review about the changes and riding/handling/build qualities. I do think this 650 is going to be a very popular engine.
In talking about the standard equipment on an INDY XC Launch Edition, @6:11, you say it gets the standard PIDD gauge. That is the previous GPS gauge that was introduced in MY15 when the AXYS was introduced. None of the Polaris documentation agrees with you on this. It shows the Message Center (non GPS) gauge for the Launch Edition.
Thanks for updating us David.
After few days of heavy You tube reseach, I bought an Indy 137 Launch850! in big part due to you guys!( and a little grunge at BRP). looking fwd to the winter!
Awesome!!
They look like an Awsome sled, but are missing one thing. Once I switched to a four stroke, I swore I’d never go back to a two stroke. I know everyone has an opinion, but that’s mine. For the type of riding that I do.... I think I’ll stay with Ski-doo
What did u ride before u got the 4 stroke? Where do u ride?
Kathleen Cahill I ride in New Brunswick, Canada. Groomed trails only. I had a 600etec before my 1200
Agree 100% with you Luke. The 850 etc comes out a runs against the 800s. Skidoo guys don’t comment about that. But Polaris comes out with a 650. Skidoo guys are butt hurt saying it’s not in the 600 class because it’s a 650.🤷♂️
Because no 600 should be rocking 140+ hp. Especially so when the 850 version of that same sled has 160 hp.
Would you say the new matrix is warmer to ride because of the new design?
Great job showcasing all the great new additions to the Polaris fleet. Darn it, I Snow Checked a 2020 SBA last spring . I love it ,but will have to wait till next spring to upgrade to Matryx.
do u think well get deeper discounts at dealers for machines now with the virus?
Maybe they will go back to $8.000 like they should b ! Nothing on a snowmobile justify the price
You ask and you shall receive glad you guys got the video out
Man... really got me re-thinking snowchecking a '21 Rengade XRS
Well polaris is junk so you can be calm
You won't be disappointed just set it up properly, great videos by Accelerated Technologies on proper set up
Don’t Dooo. Unless your 70 or older
@@kevinowens1732 what does age have to do with anything?
Exactly what tunnel and frame changes makes it different from the axys? Engine mounting position? Drivetrain angles? Steering and suspension geometry?
Interesting questions sounds like you would have to test ride one not buy one via snow check having never ridden it ..
It's got a new headlight wow
I asked about this on Polaris’s IG and they didn’t respond back. To me the tunnel and bulkhead look very similar to the Axys. I think it’s just different plastics, suspension, etc. It doesn’t really make sense to call it a new chassis, but it’s just for marketing purposes. Axys isn’t outdated at all so I was expecting this.
There alot of similarities and alot of differences. Front and rear suspensions are the same. No difference. Bulkhead and tunnel is slightly different. Everything bolted TO the chassis including the whole over structure is COMPLETELY different. At the end of the day though the only thing that matters is how it works. Is it better than the AXYS... yes... alot. How they got there is of secondary concern, at least for me.
Me with my 1989 phazer be like: 😯
1987 inviter here
Back when Yamaha was innovating.
Yep
I hope ALL the major oems develop & utilize a trail map & rider buddy link system. AND I mean one that ALL sleds can link to. I ride Doo. My friends ride poo. It'd be great to have interconnectivity
If download the ride command app on your phone, your friends can see you on their screens. (when in cell service). If you buy a trail tech GPS gauge, you can see your friends and they can see you. Most people dont know that Polaris owns trailtech and their GPS gauges are ride command compatible
I love the new sleds but its just hard to get over the bug eye looking headlights. Hoping it'll grow on me over time.
It's been a few months and it hasn't grown over me yet....
@@Pascal_Robert--Rc_Creations they should forget about the "Aston-Martin inspired" headlights and come up with something more appealing for 2022. Matryx chassis itself looks awesome though.
Can't wait to purchase one of these RIGZ😉
Love the 650 Indy 129. It roars next to our 600s.
at 1:21 the 84mm stroke of the Patriot 650 is the same as the Patriot 850. The cylinder bore of the Patriot 650 is 74.8mm for 650cc, while the Patriot 850 has a 85mm bore, 840cc.
Correct...only bore is different from 850.
I can skip the electronics stuff. However the 650 impressive.
Who drives at 25mph??
that just where the mpg is the highest which is great for marketing....it will still be better on fuel at higher speeds but just not as much....
You ever ride in tight twisty trails for a continuous 6 or 7 miles , never excedeing 25 mph? These trails are all over. Ride with grandkids or newbies?
Put a go pro on your sled. Video for 1/2 hour. Likely majority of your riding is low rpm, this goes for racers also. Most riding is in low/mid range. Watch a Mx/sx race. Very seldom are they at wot wide open throttle.
Responsible adult riders on tight trails do.
Awesome video,Thanks guys
Will this new design fix the bad drive bearing issue behind the secondary clutch?
Soon as they stop buying China bearings
Can't wait to get my 2021 850 Maytrix Assault!!
Polaris makes good handling sleds.. If they can match Skidoo gasoline and oil Economy I would be interested.. I would like to race in Cross Country races.. which is limited to 600 CC's I think the 650 would be a no go ..
Also I see Polaris is playing catch up to Skidoos Luggage racks and storage capacity ..
@CHARLES HANSEN I have a 2006 Yamaha Attack they do allow them to race .. I think I would have a huge advantage on the Lake Races.. It really is Heavy and Top Heavy the skid gave out so I bought a Team Fast Air Suspension for it..
they people at USXAC told the Yamaha was too old and heavy to be completive .. then they told me that with the aftermarket Suspension it would not be legal ..
My other sled is a 2014 Skidoo Renegade 800 they don't allow 800 two strokes and the 2014 Renegade folds like an Accordion if you ride it hard.. I need to order some braces for it that will help a little ..
The new Polaris bags are better sealed, remove even easier and don't look Euro Metro like the LinQ stuff.
@@bedlambikes Hmm the4 only accessory that I have for my Doo it a gas can .. I was meaning to get a luggage case and have not done it yet.. Not enough snow in my area to ride the last two years.. Maybe everything will be on sale at the end of the season .. My Local Power Sports dealer must of had over 50 new sleds on the show room floor yet two weeks ago
Mike Skidmore but popo takes the cake with the gauge
I don’t give ANY credit to test riders who call an engine a “motor”. They are NOT motors they are ENGINES!! And where is the direct injected engines from Polaris? AXYS is in no way better handling than a Ski-Doo XRS. The Polaris sleds are still loud and make loys of noise. The doo ETEC ENGINES are sewing machine smooth with super responsive clutching thanks to innovative pDrive clutch. Poo still with P-85 clutch 35 yr old technology
I am interested in a newer sled but I am not sure which I would go with. I would be more of a 80% trail 20% off trail rider. I am a fan of Polaris. It's not that I don't like any of the others I just have grown up on Polaris and have always had good luck. What Polaris would you recommend for someone that mainly rides trails but wants the capability to go off trail if I ever get the chance? Thanks for any insight on this. I have been really wanting the switchback assault but I am not a 50/50 rider so I wasn't sure if that would be the sled for me.
Let’s get a review on the Arctic Cat zr 6000 R XC. Cat is selling it as a trail sled in the 600 class. With its longer front arm, the rear skid handles much better than regular slide action. Would love to see what you guys think about it.
I heard there stuck in the Litter..🤷♂️
They took the Ayxs and made it more like a Ski Doo, color options not there, no XCR 137, put Velocities on with a soft calibration, I don’t get it. I like the 650 idea but you can keep the fancy gauge as I ride to get away from tech. How about focus on better suspension options for heavier people or people that ride aggressively.
Get the Launch version,, no fancy gauge or Hi-end shocks.
Hi can you do a track length ride comparison on the matryx
What if the touch screen gets wet? Will it still work? 🤔
It's no secret you love Polaris. But it's understandable.
how can the 650 be more efficient than e tec? the base design is destined to spit out gas through the exhuast port due to it not being direct injected as the e tec. smells like bs to me
Remember it’s Polaris claiming like they do so much other garbage. They are just trying to build up hype for their sled s
@@nsa6790 probably
Since the Matryx platform corners flatter, does it approach the handling of the current Cat ProCross chassis? I'm mainly asking about the front suspension.
For the new 650 are the hp numbers from it running on 87 octane or 91?
Anybody know when production starts on the new matryx sleds i have an assault on order.
I've heard the seat is 1 inch lower as well. If this is true tall guys won't like this. Can someone tell me if they really did make this sled for short people?
Hmmmm... Levi might have a little bit input 😉😂
The seat is 1 inch lower, yes. But you wont notice it. Non of our crew could tell the difference.
Why not just make a 600,700, and a 850? 125 hp, 145 hp, and a 170 hp sled.
I own a 600 Polaris and 600 skidoo and I don’t believe Polaris could ever have better fuel economy than the skidoo with the gas the current 600 burns
i have a 600 carb Polaris. I get same gas mileage as the Skidoo SDI 600 and 4stroke 1200 skidoo.. Now I'm leaned out on the edge all the time. But I arg 16mpg. I just watch my egt's and jet up or down accordingly.
I can get 164 miles on a ten gallon tank. and use 1.2 liters of oil on that same drive.
I can put 120 miles on my 800 before i need gas. If thats not enough for you, you go for ling ass rides or have it pinned too much.
So there is no way new technology can improve things? What if skidoo engineers had agreed with your comment and just given up on Etec? The 650 is a NEW motor. Its NOT the old 600... so yes, it is entirely believeable that it could have better fuel economy than the old 600 and possibly even Skidoos 600R. Time will tell.
Who cares about gas mileage? It’s not a commuter car. Let er eat!
Kathleen Cahill you sound like my kind of woman lol.
So you're saying I could just but a 650 and bore it out to a 850?
Don't they have heated seats too?
Matthew Sommerfeld an available option
What’s different in the actual chassis and or suspension that makes it corner and handle better than a Rush or Pro S ?
Mobile Winter Camp My guess would be nothing. Keep your Pro-S I’m keeping mine.
Kathleen Cahill look for Levi LaVallee’s channel. I think he said Thursday is a video doing direct comparison on Rush and Pro S to these sleds. I’ve had both sleds 2010 and 2015. Everyone I’ve ever spoken to is nervous and says they’ll rebuild their motor. I hope it goes well and I need to be able to get a rack and saddle bags for camping too. Thanks good luck 😊❤️🇺🇸❄️☃️🛷⛺️
And how much does all this wonderfulness cost ?
Should do a review of a 600 144 rmk
How are they in the powder?
If the Matrix is so good, why aren't the pro's racing them?
XCR's are still 600cc and axys frames.
With the new 650 is there a map through the gauge to run on 91 non ethanol?
Two fuel settings, same as before: 91 octane non ethanol, or everything else: (87/89/91 octane with ethanol)
so the 650 will be the fastest 600? …hmmm....ITS NOT A 600!
rideswift don't worry in typical poo fashion it'll blow up before it reaches its max speed
Cat takes crap about their 800 not running with the 850s, cuz its not an 850. This will be Poos only "600 class" sled very soon.
@@memez_ar_dreamz9177 Itll be interesting to see, I know they go on about how reliable the Poo 850 is, but I know more than a few guys that have constant ECM issues.
rideswift It’s hard to deny that poo has the highest failure rate out of anyone in the industry
And how much will all this modern wonderfulness from Roseau cost us ?
14-16,000 for the assault
Old wrench...you can afford it.
140 hp that puts it in the 700 class. Not the 600 class. I think the 700s are due to come back. They were the perfect size.
math also puts it in the 700 class...............
There is now 700 class. And, classes arent determined by horsepower. Its by engine displacement. Its funny that everyone was so impressed with the 850 Etec when it came out and "beat" everyone elses 800's. Now Polaris does the same thing in the 600 class and people are all up tight about it.
OMG yes!
O man. That sled looks good
I'm hoping for a COVID-19 Special
there's a good bet somebody will try and get DOOM to run on the 7S display on one of those Matryx sleds lol
Been a Polaris guy for years and years. Last 2 sleds have been Doo’s bc of how lacking Polaris has been. I was so excited to see what Polaris was coming out with this year and by all means, I like what I’m seeing. But... they’ve overpriced themselves by a long shot. A similarly equipped SkiDoo is easily $1500 less than a VR1. Base model 850’s are nearly $2000 less. The “you get what you pay for” adage is simply just not true or valid argument.
Give us new awesome tech in comparison with SkiDoo and we’ll start talking again. Until then, I’m going to save money and enjoy a new SkiDoo that’s just as nice for less cost.
Also- I like the idea of the 650 a lot. The 600’s are under-powered by today’s standards. Whereas the 850’s are the game changing area of torque. A true 140hp 650 motor would be a sweet spot for a lot of people. While the 850’s with the extra 25hp are really what most people who aggressive trail ride want (myself included).
New awesome tech? You mean like a 7 inch GPS enabled display that can track other riders in your group WITHOUT cell coverage, climate controlled hot grips? Fully customizable gauge screens? Other than Etec, tell me what technology skidoo does better than polaris right now?
@@pavmentsurfer13 Your bias is so obvious but here let’s lay out everything doo does better or first. Shot starting, flex edge track, short tunnel, better fuel economy, less expensive sleds, faster sleds, better fit and finish, turbo, reliability, and many many more. Oh and let’s not forget the most important one, SALES.
I'll believe the fuel mileage when I see it. 850 and 600r etec are better than anything else out there on fuel
My 600r gets nowhere near the mileage that my 600etec got. Same sled platform about 6-7 miles to the gallon less.
@@ernieferguson9513 This is a New Motor .. but the E-Tech simply is great no raw fuel going out the exhaust ports..
Ernie Ferguson You might want to get that looked into because my 600r runs about 22 mpg all year long. Quick stats for my sled: 19 600r renegade 137” 1.25” and it’s ridden balls the wall all 2500 miles a year
Let me guess. The shootout winner for 2021 is going to be the Polaris.
Obviously and it should be. Better engine, better chassis, better lighting, better electronics, better ordering options including far more choices in models and suspension, color choices and more track options, better included storage, enclosed footholds, much better running boards, and a confident front end Ski Doo can only dream of. Why do you think their new Pilot X ski isn't available on the 2020.5 models? It's STILL not giving them the results they were hoping for.
Both fine machines, but Polaris is the industry sales leader now in 2 stroke trail sleds and their 2020 sales reflected that. And they just improved the machine big time.
My last 4 brand new sled purchases were 3 Ski Doo's and one Cat.
I'll be on a VR1 next winter.
@@ES-pr8bt Do you Ski Doo riders ever get tired of trolling or is it just in your nature??
@@208SledHead There too busy jacking there Ski-poodle that looks like a Strung out Ostrich..
@@ES-pr8bt Sorry, no... the new Skidoo gauge is really nice. But the Polaris gauge is better in every way. Ive spent alot of time with both now. I would pick the skidoo gauge over the new 7S from Polaris.
@@ES-pr8bt "Miles" ahead eh? smh..
hey luke why didn’t you name any of your kids “Moe”?
When they put the 650 in the rush platform then we’ll talk. Till then I don’t even wanna hear about it. And once again it is not the 600 class if it has 140 hp. I race sleds that one will race with the 700s.
Rush is dead, discontinued. They only carry that RUSH rear suspension on the switchback going into 2020.
What 700 class?
Polaris Patriot motors have 2 fuel type settings that are configured thru the message center or gauge.
91 octane non ethanol fuel(91 octane or higher and NO ethanol) this setting will offer maximum performance.
The other setting must be used for fuel that has less than 91 octane. It also should be used for fuel that contains ethanol. Polaris recommends a minimum of 87 octane fuel and no more than 10% ethanol, when using the proper Fuel Type Setting.
No current 2 stroke Fuel injection Polaris motors use wiring changes or plugs to set fuel type.
closer look.... maybe open a side panel. New "platfrom," but we can't see it naked. Every year Polaris talks about their newest stuff but they never show the change. Lets see the chassis without the plastic. just like the pro cc rear skid. never showed or talked about the skid. Even you guys didn't show or talk about it till you got demo. I mean you said it was there, but never said what changed. You got in there with the rmotion x. why not the Polaris? contact obligations? Let snow check pass, then show more? go to Polaris website. not there either. just a generic pic of the sled. market your stuff correctly please.
The Pro CC skid was ALL NEW. There was no reason to talk abotu what was "different" because everything was different. In the case of R-Motion X, it looks the same but has numerous changes... so we talk about them. Dont know if you remember when Skidoo released the XS platform... but it was EXACTLY the same as the xp but wiht new plastic. The Matryx shares common parts with the XC, but has a bunch of new as well. We talk about it all the time.
@@pavmentsurfer13 Hey Luke. Have tried the 2021 renegade xrs yet? I'm curious what you think about the ras x.
There's something about a mercury...
Nice Polaris add lol
Yeah, when we did the Skidoo, Yamaha and Arctic cat new model stories people said exactly the same thing. Get over it man.
First!
The matrix is a lazy man sled
I hope that removable seat is lockable? Which I bet it isn't. Anybody else see a problem with that?
Can you lock anything now? No
This is a weird comment considering NO storage areas on ANY sled built today are lockable. Why would it all of a sudden be some huge problem? at least it takes some effort to remove the seat. Any other storage area is just a door with a quick latch.
@@pavmentsurfer13 I'm not concerned about the contents in the storage area, I'm thinking about people stealing the seat and selling it online (easy grab and $$$ sell). A tool-free removable part like a seat can make your ride very uncomfortable, if you are staying overnight someplace and don't find your seat there. If somebody takes a bogie wheel (which happened to friends overnight at motel) you can ride back to trailer. Somebody takes a side panel you can ride home. Yes, there other parts that can be removed but required tools and more time to do. Sometimes a specific part is more of a inconvenience than somebody stealing the whole sled. If there is way to engineer a specific part like this seat with a simple unique lock that is better engineering.
@@KliqDon1983 You get what I'm saying.
@@MarketParkIt problem with a key lock in outdoor conditions would be challenge. polaris offered lockable storage back in 04 i think, other problem polaris did not offer key blanks so customers could not get extras made
It’s starting to look like a Yamaha
Touch screen? There’s no way I’d take off my gloves in minus 40°C temp out on the land.
he said it’s glove friendly, open ur ears
@@gibsonf06 I use mittens, gloves are too cold, lol
I'd rather run a sled that doesn't break down which leaves Polaris and Artic cat out
Is it true that Bombardier and Yamaha is shutting down their service departments?
If it was true it's that they aren't needed very often, Polaris and Artic cat shops are swamped from all of the recalls and breakdowns. Too bad Yamaha is hooking up with Artic cat.
A 2 stroke Polaris is probably ok if you only ride a couple thousand km a season....
It looks...
Ugly.
New lights look like 2016 ski-doo
You're joking. Ski Doo still running on Thomas Edison bulb technology.
That would be a good thing. The new Skidoos are not very pretty
so mean mean like a Halogen yellow bulb?
whitepinehost they modeled the new doos after your face so is say pretty accurate
I just can't stand the Headlight look on the Matrix. The accent Light area should have been where the head Lights went. I can't handle the "THIN" body work. ESP at 6' 270lbs. For the Price!! I'll keep Driving the Yam/Cat and My 20 year old Polaris's. You'all always say. handles so Flat. Every time a new sleds comes out. Well ya. Your in Fluffy snow. Try Ice Oval racing one of these sleds.Still tights. until a rider takes out the high center of gravity.
Snowmobile industry is going to go into a decline. #1 Over Priced!! #2 Still a snowmobile and require's a lot of Parts and Maintenance . Esp with a 500 mile belt life. Polaris needs to up the anti to 5000 mile belt change. And a 10 000 mile engine warranty or 6 years. Which ever comes first. Or just reduce the price to real world people prices. That would attract people back.
Second
Still no 4 stroke. Disappointing.
Not to people who love 2 strokes.
I love two strokes as much as anyone. My buddies have 850's, and they are remarkable machines. But on our 1200 mile trips, I'm not carrying a gallon of oil with me. Also, for the substantial investment it requires to get into one of these machines, I want to know it's gonna last 15000+ miles. The manufactures claim "4-stroke reliability" from the new powerplants, but ridin hard for that many miles, the two strokes will require more maintenance to achieve it. I will not even consider a two stroke any more, so they are leaving people like me completely out.
Polaris uglee platform
I'm a diehard Green blooded CAT guy, but the Matryx is a beauty !!
Pos snowmobile thing is garbage brought one home and took it back boggy and not as good as an assult
Polaris simply no longer has the appeal it desires with poor reliability over the years. But, my god, they are beautiful. If they had 4-stroke engines on the menu .... several snowmobilers would change manufacturers. In short, Polaris likes to do as it pleases, without listening to consumers. That's why we don't see many of them.
Actually, polaris reliability has been above average the past few seasons. Ive seen the industry numbers. And no, polaris doesnt ignore consumers. They listen to them very closely, this new sled is a prime example. More storage, better wind protection, better accessory integration, easier to see and use gauge, better hot grips... all things consumers have been asking for. They develop new platforms to give the consumer better ride and handling. A new motor to give the consumer more power and better economy. There will be a 4 stroke. But you dont just grab a 4 stroke motor off the shelf and slap it in a chassis. It takes years to develop a motor that works and still fits in the chassis without sacrificing ride and handling.
I have had better luck with my Polaris's reliability than other brands I have bought over the years and I love my axys ,I hope they didn't change much on this one other than the wind protection and hot grips cause other than that I thought the axys was damm near perfect for the type of riding my family does wich is mostly u.p. trail riding
@@KliqDon1983 Then don't watch their shows.