These lawyer cannot compare the Life Esidimeni tragedy with these zama zamas. The two are incomparable. The patients at Life Esidimeni were under the state care but the same cannot be said with these criminals. The state will never be held liable for lives lost during the commission of a crime by those who lost their lives. There is no genocide here. It's just utter nonsense to try to pin responsibility and liability on the state.
A right to life goes with a responsibility to not endanger the lives of others by carrying dangerous weapons or by acting recklessly and disobeying constitutional rules and laws.
You are totally off the mark...lying to these communities is wrong...A person has voluntarily engaged in criminal activities and when the going gets tough and you are faced with death, you scream govt intervention to rescue you from your own mess. No ways no country in the world can allow that. The people who out themselves here are liable for their own actions.
Were these people employed by the government? What about the kingpins, the mine owners and all the people who were benefiting from these illegal activities? It’s easy to blame the state for everything, this time you people have got it wrong government did not send these people to these derelict mines.
Lawyers for Human Rights failed the south africans in many many ways before this incident: 1. Where were they when people were being rapped,abducted,robbed, terrorised, properties destroyed like theres no law or police in SA?( Check the documentaries...Riverlea etc) 2. The kids have died of suspected food poisoning....was there any word- loud out- show of solidarity to parents of the deceased? 3. Where are the LHR when people are being killed daily or in large numbers in many well known townships/ the issue of drug related murders,, extortion/ abductions, human trafficking,/ high unemployment, policing in the rural areas is 00/ clinics are a personal spaza shops to the Senior sister....same like the station commander etc 4. Lack of services( fith in some townships- no clean environments, lllegal dumping and sweage spillage...inhumane situations 5. Silence dies not mean stupid.....but gives the government the opportunity to be factual when responding to the demands that were/ are questionable: legal heads are preparing their HEADS for an interesting presentation
Why are you blaming government,this human rights people are not okay.Where u've been when illigal miners starting to put their life in danger?As a lawyer go and find ppl who hire this miners
Where are the owners of this mina as we aren't hearing anything about them. Also, what about the kingpins who are the instigators. We're not hearing anything about them.
How on earth a civic organization can defend criminality, what message are they sending out there to all those violate the law of the country, this journalist seem confused, both individuals have no clue of what they are talking about, These ppl break the law, ́ow so called civic representative is promiting criminality n criminals, It is not the responsibility of the state, they should never entertain the nonsense of rescuing criminals. Also there is no murder here ,,these individuals really are disullusion. They choose to act illegally so they must taste the outcome of criminality, there is no way a civic organization representative can utter such nonsensical statement, he is clueless of the role n responsibility of a civuc representative period, rather he must go n learn the obligation n responsibility of a civic member
It's not sad or painful. People made choices and now there is consequences. An eye for an eye. Criminals have no rights.The state is not responsible.... These people went down a ditch in the ground alone... To mine gold in an illegal mine while being illegally here in south Africa. Do your jobs and give the facts of the situation
This channel is looking one side of the matter, they must also condemn illegality. Your safety is your responsibility
Whatever this human rights lawyers are somoking is very strong
😂😂😂
Why state is accused...one who send this people must be arrested
When we talk, they say we are cruel but no one answered us, who sent them down there because is not the government ❓
These lawyer cannot compare the Life Esidimeni tragedy with these zama zamas. The two are incomparable. The patients at Life Esidimeni were under the state care but the same cannot be said with these criminals.
The state will never be held liable for lives lost during the commission of a crime by those who lost their lives.
There is no genocide here.
It's just utter nonsense to try to pin responsibility and liability on the state.
Amen!!!
True to that,we are abused
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A right to life goes with a responsibility to not endanger the lives of others by carrying dangerous weapons or by acting recklessly and disobeying constitutional rules and laws.
Kids died with food poisoning we never heard a word from human rights now they are vocal of the zama zama what a joke
what happened to rights of those that has benn raped and killed by this zama zamas?someone is trying to make a
fortune on this
Exactly they don’t talk about it and no one has been prisoned for this and no democracy for those women
You cant justify genociide, mass murders, and crimes against humanity with lies.
Not forgetting to mention the underground damage caused by the illegal mining activities to this country
You are totally off the mark...lying to these communities is wrong...A person has voluntarily engaged in criminal activities and when the going gets tough and you are faced with death, you scream govt intervention to rescue you from your own mess. No ways no country in the world can allow that. The people who out themselves here are liable for their own actions.
The people blaming the government I suspect they were benefiting from those zamazamas
Zamazamas terorised communities and you said nothing for that mxm
Could be
That's my thinking aswel
Thato watla potahe le human rights eo ya hao. Cap man o rata bo hero
My brother people are sleeping without foods when the government took money and use for these criminals
Were these people employed by the government? What about the kingpins, the mine owners and all the people who were benefiting from these illegal activities? It’s easy to blame the state for everything, this time you people have got it wrong government did not send these people to these derelict mines.
Ask the ANC
This guy says someone has to account for criminals 🤔 wow
Lawyers for Human Rights failed the south africans in many many ways before this incident:
1. Where were they when people were being rapped,abducted,robbed, terrorised, properties destroyed like theres no law or police in SA?( Check the documentaries...Riverlea etc)
2. The kids have died of suspected food poisoning....was there any word- loud out- show of solidarity to parents of the deceased?
3. Where are the LHR when people are being killed daily or in large numbers in many well known townships/ the issue of drug related murders,, extortion/ abductions, human trafficking,/ high unemployment, policing in the rural areas is 00/ clinics are a personal spaza shops to the Senior sister....same like the station commander etc
4. Lack of services( fith in some townships- no clean environments, lllegal dumping and sweage spillage...inhumane situations
5. Silence dies not mean stupid.....but gives the government the opportunity to be factual when responding to the demands that were/ are questionable: legal heads are preparing their HEADS for an interesting presentation
This is like me running from the cops and get hit by a car. Who do we blame?
Thank you SANCO
This guy is mad state never send anyone under ground whom are they working
Its not a mass murder but mass suicide
@@dimakatsomokgeledi3999 Yes, and you cant blame anyone.
Why are you blaming government,this human rights people are not okay.Where u've been when illigal miners starting to put their life in danger?As a lawyer go and find ppl who hire this miners
Have the countries of these zama zamas come to assist?
Never! Lesotho has long stated that they do NOT involve themselves in illegal activities.
Fokof…why they kept on interviewing these people?????
Crazy he said miners ..this are not miners bt illegally foreigners
Lots of talk but still no mention of the money's owner & their failed legal duties...🙄
Where are the owners of this mina as we aren't hearing anything about them. Also, what about the kingpins who are the instigators. We're not hearing anything about them.
This guy wearing chicken cap is always not happy
Police needs to investigate him
💯🤞🏼😂😂😂
This cap is irritating
This is madness 😮
This raise a question. Does SANCO benefit from this illegal mining?
This is thier salary for undermining the state and rule of law
So the miners are kept hostage by their own bosses and the human rights destroyer wants to blame the state?
They blame government they are benefiting from this .what do you want government to do.
SANCO buy him a cap
How on earth a civic organization can defend criminality, what message are they sending out there to all those violate the law of the country, this journalist seem confused, both individuals have no clue of what they are talking about,
These ppl break the law, ́ow so called civic representative is promiting criminality n criminals,
It is not the responsibility of the state, they should never entertain the nonsense of rescuing criminals. Also there is no murder here ,,these individuals really are disullusion. They choose to act illegally so they must taste the outcome of criminality, there is no way a civic organization representative can utter such nonsensical statement, he is clueless of the role n responsibility of a civuc representative period, rather he must go n learn the obligation n responsibility of a civic member
It's not sad or painful. People made choices and now there is consequences. An eye for an eye. Criminals have no rights.The state is not responsible.... These people went down a ditch in the ground alone... To mine gold in an illegal mine while being illegally here in south Africa. Do your jobs and give the facts of the situation
Is this boy or girl 😅😅😅😅
Again, the ANC is caught flat footed😂😂😂
That's wat actually happened
2:29 Is this a girl or a boy?
Gay
Haibo wena.you are talking nonsense
Crime does not pay ppl
It pays in SA because they protecting it