Not a bad gain. Some quick back-of-the-napkin math says about 218HP and 231 lb-ft at the flywheel. Question being - is that a CARB-friendly tune or not?
What is the safest Honda Civic CVT torque number ? As we all know that if you put 50 lb increase it will probably cause a real problem in the mid and long term to the CVT.
Previous hondata videos have stated that they top out at about 350wtq before imploding so I’d stay at the 250 or under range if you’re looking for longevity with a mix of fun. PRL does have a cooler for the CVT that can help add longevity while maybe pushing around 300wtq. Obviously stock will have the best longevity but just make sure you’re not racing everyday and change the coolant every 25k for best results
It’s more accurate because it’s getting it from the actual hub of the wheel itself rather than transferring energy from the tire to a roller dyno like a mustang dyno which reads higher or lower.
A hub dyno is indeed much safer. First it’s safer for the operator and people in the shop, and second it is safer for the engine itself because roller dynos can actually mask preignition. Hub dynos are also more accurate because you don’t have any issues of wheel spin and it offers better, more repeatable back to back runs as well as letting the vehicles suspension articulate as it would while actually driving.
Besides the extra time in setting up the vehicle, it seems like the future of dynos... (i know they've been around a while). You don't have to make a pit in your floor for the roller, so you can move shops easier and cheaper, but they aren't as quick to setup as rolling a car on and strapping it down... Although. Unbolting 2 wheels might be eazier than getting on your knees multiple timez and cinching down 4x or more ratchet straps!
@@volvo09 There are plenty of roller dynos that don’t permanently install in the shop too-Mustang, Dynocom, Dynomax, etc. Many dyno companies actually produce and sell both types of dyno. There are inherent pros and cons of both types. Hub dynos take time and tools. For shops that do dyno days or offer dyno time by the hour for customers just to get data and not a full tune it’s better to use a roller dyno because you just pull up, strap it down and make the run. Hub dynos also typically handle less power. Our neighboring shop has an AWD hub dyno and the rear hubs will measure something silly like 5000+ HP but the fronts max out at like 1400. They also take up space that some shops don’t have where an in ground roller dyno can be better. Also for small shops dyno styles that run off a lift can be very useful because it’s a dual purpose tool, a dyno and a lift so the bay you install it inside of is more useful than just as a dyno Space. Cost is a factor as well because they aren’t cheap. Our shops dyno which has load control features cost around 35k and our sales rep had options going upwards of 50k initial cost, and not all shops can justify or handle that kind of cost. The more successful tunings shops though by and large have multiple dynos and will typically have a hub and a roller setup for different uses.
Trade it in. I had that engine in the 2022 civic sport sedan. The power is just not there. It made me feel bored on the road when i had it. But hey if you love it keep it then. I am only making a suggestion and an opinion. I got the 2022 Civic Sport Touring Hatchback instead. The power difference is night and day. Including everything else it comes with. You feel more confident on the road for sure then the 2.0 trim. Did you lease it or finance it?
@@christophervalle1999 depends how fast you can pay it down to sell it back. I can tell you what you need to do exactly if you give me more details. How much is the car in total with the interest going to cost you? Let’s start there.
I also just purchased this for my 2022 civic touring. Can’t wait to see how it works. Do you suggest getting any other parts to make it work at its best?
I thought that the 2.0L NA was the engine that had 158 HP and 138 lb.-ft. of torque? On the Motortrend article, you had mentioned the 1.5T which actually has 180 horsepower and 177 lb.-ft. of torque. Perhaps it was just a typo? I'm partially confused as which engine this tune is for.
I am going to buy a Honda Civic Hatch Sport Touring with the manual transmission. Planning on this summer if everything goes well. I don’t like to use credit so I will pay cash. Thus the delay. I saw your no lift shift feature. Are you capable of releasing a rev matching down shift feature, similar to the one in the upcoming SI or the Type R?
There is one 2020 civic 1.5 T CVT which makes 300 hp and 300 Newton torque in Canada. I watched his car with many drag and roll races on youtube and its 0-60 is around 6.2 seconds and quarter mile is 13.5 seconds. He says that his cvt is still running without any problems.
How are you guys still putting out this tuning software while your vendors are getting fined by the EPA for selling it? Not being sarcastic just genuinely curious.
Hondata makes you acknowledge their liability waiver that, if their tuning software is NOT street legal, you plan to use it for off-road use only. These Flashpros are CARB and EPA compliant and, if they aren't atm, will soon be.
The base engine (2.0 Naturally aspirated) is just a carryover. The only new feature it gets is an auto start/stop, but no mechanical improvements or power increases and I doubt they will offer any support for tuning this engine because they don’t offer a tuning option for it now as it stands. Really there isn’t a reason anyway, the gains would be very minimal and the market just isn’t there.
@@kennethpowers8995 I figured there’s something there since the k20c2 has i-vtec. It may only pump out 158hp but its still a 2 liter i-vtec motor. Ya compression is near the 11’s, has a redline of around 7k but we can’t fiddle with the vtec engagement point and tune it with I/H/E and up the revs a bit? On the sport you get the paddle shifters and with some more power and a tune will help a lot. But if there’s no market I get it 😔
@@warnerg80 - i agree the K20C2 is a great little engine it's just that people are so enamored with turbos these days. Just a tune on the 2.0 and programed to run 91 instead of 87 would make some nice gains. I'd buy it without question, can't speak for the rest of the K20C2 community.
@@warnerg80 You wouldn’t get but maybe 10whp or so with a tune on that setup. Yes it has good compression but that’s only because it’s a GDI engine. These NA earth dreams engines don’t really respond much to changes in AFR, only pickup a little power from timing changes, so you could see maybe 5-10 HP from playing with the advance. The iVtec in this engine isn’t the VTEC you think it is like the VTEC of old. It’s not a performance oriented system, and doesn’t switch to a high lift cam lobe like traditional VTEC. What you would pickup from playing with the VTEC settings in a tune is drivability not peak power because its only adjusting cam timing values. You could potentially get a little more power in the low and mid range RPM, but top end power wouldn’t be increased from changes in iVTEC settings on this motor. I’m not saying a tune would do nothing, but it wouldn’t do enough to warrant the average consumer spending $500+ on an interface to flash a basemap to the car. That’s why the market isn’t there. And realistically I don’t know why anyone would choose the 2L car when buying it if they have modifications on their mind when there is a proven turbocharged option in the same car for essentially the same price.
@@warnerg80 In a lot of ways too they are learning from the experiences with the 9G Accord Sport. It had a healthy K24 earth dreams motor that made a power curve almost identical to that of early J30 V6’s and was offered with either paddle shifters or a 6 speed manual. So Hondata offered a flash for it……and no one bought it. That basemap picks up about 10-15 HP for guys depending on their mods. And then premium fuel is required at that point.
I hope you like early transmission failure. Those CVTs are already weak and prone to slipping as they age. Honda may have restricted the torque on the motor to protect the transmission.
You don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re just speculating nonsense like most RUclips commenters. This video is for people that are interested in a tune if you’re scared about mechanical issues you have no business modifying your call. Any modification comes with some risk.
@@luism8130 I agree. That person does not know what they are talking about. I thought to myself uuuuhhh you do realize the 1.5 engine is in the new Integra and that cvt pushes 200 horses no problem safely right lol. So the 1.5 engine is perfectly safe to push to 200 or a little more. People do not know what they talkin about these days.
I own a 2017 ext cvt that currently has 151k miles and has been tuned on 28 psi since 38k miles. Not one issue with it, you will blow the motor before you break the trans in the 1.5 cvt civics..
Just ordered it for my 2022 Civic Touring. Looking forward to it!
I’m thinking about it. How’s it going for you so far. I’m just going for a minor boost in psi.
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Does it affect warranty??
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when you tune what kind of MPG do you get now? before and after
Stay tuned, no pun?
Ready to buy for my 22 sport hatch touring 😁
Not a bad gain. Some quick back-of-the-napkin math says about 218HP and 231 lb-ft at the flywheel. Question being - is that a CARB-friendly tune or not?
Any chance on an 11th Gen 2.0 tune & dyno run?
Buying a 2022 touring civic & off to the hondata website I go!
When can we expect updates on these results and real world testing 🤔
What is the safest Honda Civic CVT torque number ? As we all know that if you put 50 lb increase it will probably cause a real problem in the mid and long term to the CVT.
Previous hondata videos have stated that they top out at about 350wtq before imploding so I’d stay at the 250 or under range if you’re looking for longevity with a mix of fun. PRL does have a cooler for the CVT that can help add longevity while maybe pushing around 300wtq. Obviously stock will have the best longevity but just make sure you’re not racing everyday and change the coolant every 25k for best results
Are you guys going to make one for 2.0
I got the 2.0 , I was wondering if it’ll work on that as well ?
K tuner
Will this work for the new hatchback as well?
Wow is this a much safer way to dyno than with the rubber tires on? I have never seen this type of dyno
It’s more accurate because it’s getting it from the actual hub of the wheel itself rather than transferring energy from the tire to a roller dyno like a mustang dyno which reads higher or lower.
A hub dyno is indeed much safer. First it’s safer for the operator and people in the shop, and second it is safer for the engine itself because roller dynos can actually mask preignition. Hub dynos are also more accurate because you don’t have any issues of wheel spin and it offers better, more repeatable back to back runs as well as letting the vehicles suspension articulate as it would while actually driving.
Besides the extra time in setting up the vehicle, it seems like the future of dynos... (i know they've been around a while). You don't have to make a pit in your floor for the roller, so you can move shops easier and cheaper, but they aren't as quick to setup as rolling a car on and strapping it down... Although. Unbolting 2 wheels might be eazier than getting on your knees multiple timez and cinching down 4x or more ratchet straps!
@@volvo09 There are plenty of roller dynos that don’t permanently install in the shop too-Mustang, Dynocom, Dynomax, etc. Many dyno companies actually produce and sell both types of dyno. There are inherent pros and cons of both types. Hub dynos take time and tools. For shops that do dyno days or offer dyno time by the hour for customers just to get data and not a full tune it’s better to use a roller dyno because you just pull up, strap it down and make the run. Hub dynos also typically handle less power. Our neighboring shop has an AWD hub dyno and the rear hubs will measure something silly like 5000+ HP but the fronts max out at like 1400. They also take up space that some shops don’t have where an in ground roller dyno can be better. Also for small shops dyno styles that run off a lift can be very useful because it’s a dual purpose tool, a dyno and a lift so the bay you install it inside of is more useful than just as a dyno Space. Cost is a factor as well because they aren’t cheap. Our shops dyno which has load control features cost around 35k and our sales rep had options going upwards of 50k initial cost, and not all shops can justify or handle that kind of cost. The more successful tunings shops though by and large have multiple dynos and will typically have a hub and a roller setup for different uses.
This is more accurate.
Does this tune require premium gas ? If on regular 87 gas what's the HP difference?
They said high octane in the video
Is this going to void the warranty?
Of course it does
I heard if you can find a dealership to install it will not void warranty.
Any tunes available for the 2022 Honda Sport Hatchback 2.0l aspirated engine
Not as of now but maybe in the future stay tuned.
Trade it in. I had that engine in the 2022 civic sport sedan. The power is just not there. It made me feel bored on the road when i had it. But hey if you love it keep it then. I am only making a suggestion and an opinion. I got the 2022 Civic Sport Touring Hatchback instead. The power difference is night and day. Including everything else it comes with. You feel more confident on the road for sure then the 2.0 trim. Did you lease it or finance it?
@@Rip84LWfinanced a 2023 sport sedan, certified pre owned at 2k miles. How fast can I trade it in?
@@christophervalle1999 depends how fast you can pay it down to sell it back. I can tell you what you need to do exactly if you give me more details. How much is the car in total with the interest going to cost you? Let’s start there.
I also just purchased this for my 2022 civic touring. Can’t wait to see how it works. Do you suggest getting any other parts to make it work at its best?
Any updates? I’m getting a 22 Civic Touring and a tune is one of my first mods
I thought that the 2.0L NA was the engine that had 158 HP and 138 lb.-ft. of torque? On the Motortrend article, you had mentioned the 1.5T which actually has 180 horsepower and 177 lb.-ft. of torque. Perhaps it was just a typo? I'm partially confused as which engine this tune is for.
It says right on the description it's for the 1.5T.
@@Smellslikegelfling Yes, hoping for a response for them! Seems the numbers are mixed up.
@@philippfulg there’s a difference between crank power and whp
I am going to buy a Honda Civic Hatch Sport Touring with the manual transmission. Planning on this summer if everything goes well. I don’t like to use credit so I will pay cash. Thus the delay. I saw your no lift shift feature. Are you capable of releasing a rev matching down shift feature, similar to the one in the upcoming SI or the Type R?
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how does this tune shake out in 0-60?
Stay tuned for more videos coming soon.
Imagine if you add an exhaust and an intake on top of this tune… possible to hit 250hp?
No way it’ll make 250 to the wheel in the stock turbo
There is one 2020 civic 1.5 T CVT which makes 300 hp and 300 Newton torque in Canada. I watched his car with many drag and roll races on youtube and its 0-60 is around 6.2 seconds and quarter mile is 13.5 seconds. He says that his cvt is still running without any problems.
How are you guys still putting out this tuning software while your vendors are getting fined by the EPA for selling it? Not being sarcastic just genuinely curious.
Must be out of state with less restrictions I guess
Lmao, California?
Hondata makes you acknowledge their liability waiver that, if their tuning software is NOT street legal, you plan to use it for off-road use only.
These Flashpros are CARB and EPA compliant and, if they aren't atm, will soon be.
Is it manual or auto
This civic isn’t dropping power pass 5500.
I wonder y
When will we be able to upload this tune to the 11th gen ex?
Anything for the 11th gen 2.0 all motor?
The base engine (2.0 Naturally aspirated) is just a carryover. The only new feature it gets is an auto start/stop, but no mechanical improvements or power increases and I doubt they will offer any support for tuning this engine because they don’t offer a tuning option for it now as it stands. Really there isn’t a reason anyway, the gains would be very minimal and the market just isn’t there.
@@kennethpowers8995 I figured there’s something there since the k20c2 has i-vtec. It may only pump out 158hp but its still a 2 liter i-vtec motor. Ya compression is near the 11’s, has a redline of around 7k but we can’t fiddle with the vtec engagement point and tune it with I/H/E and up the revs a bit? On the sport you get the paddle shifters and with some more power and a tune will help a lot. But if there’s no market I get it 😔
@@warnerg80 - i agree the K20C2 is a great little engine it's just that people are so enamored with turbos these days. Just a tune on the 2.0 and programed to run 91 instead of 87 would make some nice gains. I'd buy it without question, can't speak for the rest of the K20C2 community.
@@warnerg80 You wouldn’t get but maybe 10whp or so with a tune on that setup. Yes it has good compression but that’s only because it’s a GDI engine. These NA earth dreams engines don’t really respond much to changes in AFR, only pickup a little power from timing changes, so you could see maybe 5-10 HP from playing with the advance. The iVtec in this engine isn’t the VTEC you think it is like the VTEC of old. It’s not a performance oriented system, and doesn’t switch to a high lift cam lobe like traditional VTEC. What you would pickup from playing with the VTEC settings in a tune is drivability not peak power because its only adjusting cam timing values. You could potentially get a little more power in the low and mid range RPM, but top end power wouldn’t be increased from changes in iVTEC settings on this motor. I’m not saying a tune would do nothing, but it wouldn’t do enough to warrant the average consumer spending $500+ on an interface to flash a basemap to the car. That’s why the market isn’t there. And realistically I don’t know why anyone would choose the 2L car when buying it if they have modifications on their mind when there is a proven turbocharged option in the same car for essentially the same price.
@@warnerg80 In a lot of ways too they are learning from the experiences with the 9G Accord Sport. It had a healthy K24 earth dreams motor that made a power curve almost identical to that of early J30 V6’s and was offered with either paddle shifters or a 6 speed manual. So Hondata offered a flash for it……and no one bought it. That basemap picks up about 10-15 HP for guys depending on their mods. And then premium fuel is required at that point.
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I hope you like early transmission failure. Those CVTs are already weak and prone to slipping as they age. Honda may have restricted the torque on the motor to protect the transmission.
You don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re just speculating nonsense like most RUclips commenters. This video is for people that are interested in a tune if you’re scared about mechanical issues you have no business modifying your call. Any modification comes with some risk.
@@HammerLeaf back in 2017 the civic cvt was put through a torcher test by Hondata. Their carb tune is completely safe in all aspects
@@luism8130 I agree. That person does not know what they are talking about. I thought to myself uuuuhhh you do realize the 1.5 engine is in the new Integra and that cvt pushes 200 horses no problem safely right lol. So the 1.5 engine is perfectly safe to push to 200 or a little more. People do not know what they talkin about these days.
I own a 2017 ext cvt that currently has 151k miles and has been tuned on 28 psi since 38k miles. Not one issue with it, you will blow the motor before you break the trans in the 1.5 cvt civics..
Ok....what octane??
Probably 91, because that is the highest octane you can get on pump gas in California. Unless they're using racing octane which I highly doubt.
@@hybridsnowleopard yeah, probably 91... Doubt that's 87. Don't think too many people are clamouring to plunk down for a flashpro just to run regular!
@@hybridsnowleopard - yeah he just said "higher octane".....why not just tell us? lol
@@mikea5205 most folks probably use 87 on the Honda Civic.
@@hybridsnowleopard 91 is the max in California? 93 is pretty common in NJ/NYC.
They better stop showing tuning. I thought the rpm act was gonna get rid of tuning
Wow these things are hot garbage.