Seriously, I was wondering why there were so many video dislikes. Unfortunately for many people, anger comes before reason; they ignore 90% of what you guys said.
Just like they were "understanding" of TMartin illegally taking money from children? Or the dude who smacked the other dude in the face because he said something they didn't like? How honourable of them.
His (Pewdiepie) videos were already a month old. Media and Disney didn't wake up one morning and thought "oh shit Pewdiepie's anti-semitic", they were pressured by WSJ. WSJ themselves admited that both companies only acted after the Journal had enquire them.
Well that's the point really. I was super confused the day I heard that Disney wanted to hire PewDiePie. I was thinking why is a company known for their children's cartoons wanting to hire a guy who constantly yells "F*** my *ss" in two different languages, and then some on top of that. It's obvious to everyone now that they are like any company just looking to make money in everything they can until someone complains.
All these people shouting "hypocrite" that either 1) don't watch the whole video/only want to hear one side of it, or 2) don't take into the account that, in comedy, there is such a fine, ever-changing line based on so many things. People can make jokes in private that they can't make in public. They're not saying PewDiePie is making more offensive jokes than they do, but PewDiePie has a different line than Funhaus as determined by these other companies and media, and they're saying that in this case, the media and Disney have perceived that he crossed his line. So why don't you 1) watch the whole video, 2) try to see the whole picture rather than just saying "Funhaus, you make offensive jokes, you're hypocrites."
Battleballs Not at all, everyone is entitled to their opinion, all I'm saying is that, in reading a lot of the comments, it feels like a lot of people aren't watching the whole video because they really seem to touch on both sides throughout the video
My thoughts exactly.... For some reason the dumbest comments are as "top comments". This thumbnail sure attracted a bunch of people who probably don't watch them or didn't watch the video till the end
Okay, here is a hypothetical for you FunHaus. The Wallstreet Journal finds all the clips of you guys making sexist, racist and offensive comments on your shows (of which there are plenty). They write and article AND also email Rooster Teeth and RUclips and complain how you are racists and misogynists. Suddenly you are under fire from other news outlets and more people are writing that RT should stop supporting you. You come back saying all the statement are jokes and should not be taken seriously and the answer the WSJ is "It can be jokes, but it normalizes racism and misogyny." What do you do? Fight against the claim and continue doing what you want to do creatively? Or become sanitized and not allowed to make any more "offensive jokes"?
SynergetiCat or they could try and make better jokes. Instead of going for shock try being funny like funhaus. Also RT is a very different organisation than Disney (Disney founded by an antisemite and more sensitive to the charge).
I agree, If Wallstreet Journal did the same thing to Funhaus they would react the same way as Pewdiepie. I believe there are plenty of jokes or content could be taken out of Funhaus video as some kind of attack towards certain group, if Funhaus is the biggest channel on youtube. I believe I will keep enjoy Funhaus on other content but not this podcast. :(
***** I don't know about that. Funhaus might come across like they just say anything but you'd probably be surprised how much they probably censor themselves
He's said in so many videos over the last few months that the media takes everything out of context, and edits videos in such a way that he makes fun of them taking things out of context, like when he watches a Hitler speech in a soldier uniform, and then, whaddya know, it gets taken out of context.
Lawrence doesn't think it's ill attempt of WSJ? He doesnt think or is not sure if they did it for personal gain? He says this stuff is happeneing all the time, it's just how it is? Didn't you know that the WSJ were knocking on PewDiePie's door after this whole thing exploded and got media coverage, and offered him their platform for a statement? Yeah let that sink in. PewDiePie has millions of viewers DAILY while the WSJ site has 250k viewers daily even tho their site is 40% their income source. And THEY offered HIM a platform to address this topic. Don't you get it? They did this whole thing ONLY for personal gain, to get clicks. They don't care that they are literally destroying jobs and the hard work of hundreds of people. And now imagine my surprise listening to Lawrence trying to defend the WSJ by not aknowledging WSJs ill attempt. It was attempt at character assassination, like PewDiePie said in his response vid. Like the media is doing with Trump now. I am shocked you don't see that.
Did literally anybody actually listen to the fucking podcast? I swear like people just commented ASSUMING the worst, when all these guys said was that they don't think hes an anti-Semite, and this was simply a shitty fucking joke that has obvious anti-Semitic connotations that could easily be interpreted as such. They almost immediately say this is a complex situation. Am I missing something??
Yeah, the difference is Funhaus aren't with Maker Studios, so they're kinda not worried about saying the shit they do, regardless of whether it's funny
FH also said that Pewdiepie going on the defensive was unjustified, but it absolutely is when you consider the absolute zeitgeist going on in the Media against Pewdiepie; especially given the number of times that outlets like WSJ, polygon, Vice, Vox, Salon, etc. have gone after Pewdiepie, and have also generally mocked and ridiculed RUclips culture before
There is a thin line between jokes and insults - and that line is called 'intention'. Pewdiepies initial primary intention was for laughter, even if it was insensitive. That is much different than an initial primary intention of persecution, sprinkled with "humor". So in this particular case of the Pewds I think its been way overblown. He's just some silly Swed trying to be funny; who doesn't have the luxury of being born in a laughable and naturally odd country - like Canada
not only was his intention laughter, his intention was to show how with a bit of money (arround 5 bucks actually) you can make anyone say whatever the fuck you want. if he has to be careful about the jokes he makes because of the amount of viewers he has, also does the wallstreet journal for the same reason. but media does that all the time, they put money and make ppl say whatever they want. i see why they didnt like pewdies video, he was showing how ez it is to do what they do all the time.
steveme49 Maybe everyone calling him a Nazi is making an intended joke so everyone whining about people calling Pewdiepie a Nazi should just stop being offended little snowflakes at harmless jokes.
Can I also add that it wasn't just pewdiepie working on his show, over 100 people were working on it so WSJ didn't just provide a mild inconvenience to him they made loads of people lose there jobs so they can get a few clicks on a shitty article, Lawrence used to ride articles so he'll never go against them
mgrey24 that's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that in their attempt to bring down the big bad pewdiepie all they did was cause him a minor inconvenience and put 100 people out of a job
Whether you like it or not it was a story. What would context have added to this. It would have have still been all several instances that PDP made anti-semitic remarks. People are seemingly having problems with the fact that because they are'jokes' or don't have nefarious intent, they are still anti-semitic. Nothing changes with the added context of it being jokes. He still said/did these things.
Dan Lodder oh no all those temp jobs for a 3 month production that hadnt even started. what will all the medoa industry people do to fill that time period. oh just get a different 3 month job in the thousands of productions going on in that time period.
Dear Lawrence Not gonna lie, I don't know how to feel about this podcast. Lawrence, typically you do use 'outrage' humour within your videos, tame even though it might be, It could be say that PewDiePie does the same thing. Unlike him, you've clearly stated that you put on a 'persona' to get most of your jokes across from "Outrage Lawrence" & "Quintessential Gamer Lawrence" to "Laptop Lawrence" back in the Inside Gaming days. In all fairness I can bet my bottom dollar that he does the same, tuning the dial up a few notches so he can get his jokes across. But I digress, as I'm well aware Funhaus know, comedy is a art form. There are certain rules and standards people must follow in order to be "comedians", a certain level of respect and understanding is needed to play with the nuances of comedy and BECAUSE of this I think that one of it's greatest attributes is the fact that "Everything is on the table", there are no limits when It comes to art of comedy. It's a tool that can be used to entertain, inform and even humanise concepts and ideals that are way above most peoples levels of understanding. It's a way of creating a profound level of respect for topics of a taboo nature, because of the way comedians address them. Unfortunately for PewDiePie its clear that he doesn't have this ability as he states in his video (My Response)- "I would consider myself a *rookie* comedian". I'm surprised that going off the track record of Funhaus & Machinima/inside gaming videos that you took a fairly negative stance on this topic. Honestly I thought that you would be hitting this discussion with something of a more intellectual approach
"Why don't you watch the whole video?" I did, I watched the 1:11:19 of actually genuine discussion to which I gave my own opinions and views about the topic at hand. Then I watched the next 10 minutes and nine seconds. of Hard Nettin'. Unless Adams opinions about the mom for TailSpin have anything to add to the previous discussion. Your comments are null and void.
i think Lawrence forgot to mention that one of the main reasons pewds took this as an attack rather than just media coverage was the fact that he made a specific video on the fact that media ignores context for their own gain or agenda, and at the end of that video he showed a Hitler speech, which was supposed to represent how the mainstream media is nowadays. The media then released another "article" ONLY showing the Hitler speech from said video (and other videos) once again completely ignoring the context. Furthering the point of why pewds thought he was attacked, rather than just being neutrally covered in an article.
What the fuck is going on? Did I watch a different video? They've been nothing but respectful towards PewDiePie, I don't know what people are so butt hurt about.
2 Spooky 4 Me wtf no thats not what they're doing nor for that reason. They are acknowledging both sides of the argument and as a matter of fact, its mentioned multiple times that they are more biased towards pewdiepie's defense because they themselves make content that could be interpreted in a similar way
Have to ask, why the hell do they need to defend him? Honestly, I feel like the people complaining already have a preconditioned bias towards the media. As someone who came into this video not really caring about Pewd and not living on every word the media spurts out, they remained pretty neutral on the whole matter.
I agree with what you guys said, but would like to point out a few things I think you may have missed: 1. After the "DEATH TO ALL JEWS" sign was revealed, the guys said and the video showed "subscribe to keemstar". I think that is of great importance and gives you the full context, esspecialy knowing keemstar's past and his and pewdiepie's relationship. 2. At 54:55, He did. In the "my response" video he stated how he understands the reason why maker cut him loose, and that's why he is concentrated on the media coverage side of things. 3. Maker studios also owns idddubz, and he is much more uncensored then pewdiepie, so why isn't he being under fire. This plys into the idea that the "media" (even though it's stupid to generalize, just like the "goverment". Literally milions of people work in it.) or let's say then WSJ had some reasons to target him. 4. On a side note, the video they showed has pewdiepie looking at hitler and nodding. In the sam video where he does that, he is making fun of how this can and could be edited out and just shown as anti-semetic and pro-Nazi...and it actually happened! 5. Whatch his new video "I KILL HITLER", and tell me it's not funny. Yes, all things subjective, but that is a well thought out video. (new edit) I might edit new arguements and opinions in here but won't change the existing. Would love to here thoughts form anyone, but especially you guys, gals and Benson.
I've watched funhaus/ Inside Gaming for years and though I don't remember specifics (it all blurs together) I could say quite certainly that they would have said far worse at times. Uber solider could be an example. They turned a regular solider into a mass murderer that hated people of all religions and aimed for their death. The Sexist character they created in their "Legendary" gameplays, all very funny but I would argue far more offensive. It's all jokes, the media is the problem here.
Marko Erlic I don't find most of his videos funny. Saying "Watch it and tell me it's not funny" weakens your argument. It's completely subjective. Adding "subscribe to Keemstar" doesn't make the video okay either. It's like saying "I'm not racist but..." and the proceding in saying something racist. The first comment doesn't disregard what was said after.
Thaff Eelwen Though I agree that the media is the problem. When was the last time you read the WSJ? I know it has been years ever since I had to read it for a class assignment. They are the ones profiting from PewDiePie's misfortunes, if that's what you want to call this whole thing. Though I garantee his views have sky rocketed lately.
1. The "Watch his video" part wasn't an arguement, just a suggestion and yes, it's subjective. But I was telling that to the Funhaus crew, because they even said they like his humour, so the following video after all this shit storm kind of is really relevant because it broadens the context in which he functions. They acknowledge his houmor and see the parallels, so my suggestion to watch the video makes sense. 2. "The first comment doesn't disregard what was said after", in this case...it does. Keemstar said stupid, racist things in the past months, he also gave pewdiepie a ot of crap in his videos and tried to "expose" him with his "journalistic mojo". So therefore it makes sense because he was connecting anti-semetic statement with keemstar, implying he is the guy who would be fine with these kinds of statements.
Everyone in the comments talking about how hypocritical everyone was. Really, the only kinda hypocritical person was James when he kept referring to PewDiePies jokes as "shitty" and low effort when often times he (and FH in general) exploits the same low effort racism/sexism/shock jokes.
Merrick Cassian Actually he was only referring to the "antisemitic" joke as "shitty" in that people who heard about it that weren't part of his intended audience wouldn't have understood how to joke should be interpreted so the underlying joke or message of what he was saying, wasn't funny for those who don't watch is content.
Not true at all. The joke was so extremely obvious in that video, there is absolutely no way someone could watch it and not realize it's a joke. They might think it's not funny and get offended, but there is no way to misconstrued that as something someone seriously believes and anyone who tries making that horrible wishy washy argument looks like a fool. That wasn't james argument at all.
Except they actually do it well. They're experienced comedians. Pewdiepie is just now making his first forays into being purely comedic, unlike the Funhaus guys.
Uh. Sorry to break it to you, but Funhaus are not "experienced comedians." If anything, they're experienced entertainers. Which is exactly what PewDiePie is as well. Your personal preference to Funhaus' humor is meaningless.
Exactly. As much as i love Funhaus, they really tackled this issue in a supposed 'neutral' manner, but came of extremely shilly. Also talking about how there's a conspiracy regarding mainstream media when in reality, there isn't. MSM is fucking disingenuous and cancerous...
To James point, Lots of people found it funny. In fact, if we're speaking in general terms, looking at the comments of that video, the MAJORITY found it funny. People understood it was a joke and in the context of the video it was hysterical. Great podcast though :)
Battleballs Fair point. I guess I should clarify, I don't actually know what the comments on that video were before it got taken down. I assumed it was mostly positive still. I only saw the comments the day after the video was released. Most people are getting a little tired of the whole SJW mentality. Disney had every right to do what they did. That being said, Pewds didn't do anything more than any other comedian out there. I'm not trying to dog the Funhaus crew either, I honestly believe they're playing devils advocate. They've made arguably worse jokes than Pewdiepie ever has lol. That's humor though. Some find it funny. Some don't. If you get offended by a joke, that's fine. Go be offended lol. Just don't ruin the good fun of the humor.
They aren't arguing against that. They're just saying specifically disney was not okay with it and they were a good chunk of pewdiepies revenue. They think he breached his contract with that joke that's all.
Ok lol. I'll correct you. You're wrong lol. Not trying to be a dick but, 32:35. "Again, my own perspective but, he probably thought, "I'm going to try and make a joke." but no one found it funny. Not really. I mean no one found it funny." Granted, James said it's from his own perspective. And I get he's speaking in very broad general terms. But if we're speaking in broad general terms, lets be honest about it. MOST people found it funny. A few people did not. Which goes back to my other comment, if you want to be offended that's fine. Go be offended. Just don't ruin the light heartedness of everyone else that was mature enough to understand the context and understand it was a joke. Humor is subjective. Not everything has to be found funny by everyone. That being said, I'm really not knocking Funhaus. I love their podcasts. Mainly for reasons like this. They play devils advocate. Which is refreshing. I mean, how many times have they made an off colored joke? lol. They get humor. I'm not mad or salty. Just adding to his point.
Couldn't agree more. I mean, Disney had every single right to do what they did. I can't say I would have done the same, but it's their business. Whatever they're doing now is working lol. I think an even bigger question though is, why the hell would Disney be working with Pewds in the first place if they didn't want dark humor? lol. I honestly believe they're just caving into the pressures of the SJW mentality. If we start censoring humor or caving into the scrutiny of humor that a small minority don't find funny, we're in danger of losing a portion of what we considered free speech. Yes there a repercussions for our actions. But when did we start deeming a strain of humor "bad"? Scary times man lol.
Goose Boose ???They were saying Pewds made a joke, had the right to make a joke even if found insensitive, but he had to know that it would have backlash in the current society. He couldn't expect to remain good standing with big companies while maintaining a very niche humor with edgy jokes
I agree Funhaus makes similar offensive jokes, but Funhaus isn't as big and isn't funded by a "family friendly" business, Disney. Rooster Teeth doesn't care if Funhaus makes these jokes, and obviously their advertisers/audience don't either.
the difference is that they aren't nearly as influential and don't have a contract with a company like Disney. Also a big portion of the discussion what about the way the situation was handled on either "side" and not about the joke itself
Richard Spencer is a horrible person, but violence isn't the answear for someone with bad ideas. one of the few times I've ever been put off by you guys. thank you for talking about semi serious stuff from time to time, you guys are a great part of my daily routine.
Shane Pelling while I respect your opinion, here's a quote from him "America was, until this last generation, a white country, designed for ourselves and our posterity. It is our creation and our inheritance, and it belongs to us, Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!" and than used the Nazi Salute in front of around 300 people
Mjolk I also think Richard Spencer is a sack of shit but people don't deserve to be assaulted due to their opinions. If "it's okay to punch a Nazi" gets popular, who decides who is considered a Nazi and where does it stop? Violence due to difference of opinion is the ironic starting point of fascism.
Mjolk Watch the video, he raises his glass and then a few people in the audience throw up the nazi (roman) salute. Hes just a media bitch anyway, ive never met one person who likes him and ive been deep into all sorts of online underbellies. His movement (the alt right) was used for political reasons during the election to make people feel negatively towards trump voters. Now the word alt-right is thrown around more than hipster. Its just an empty media term to try and vilify people.
No Lawrence, its not enough context. Not in that case, and not in the other cases the journal mentioned. They even took a screenshot of him pointin his arm up, he could've been doing just anything. Take the context away like you are doing and boom, you have a hitler child. I dont even like pewdiepie but this was some weird as fuck attack on him. If he has enough viewers that he has to be careful about the jokes he makes, the wallstreet journal should be careful about the statements they publish for the same reason. But if you consider media to be fucked up manipulators like i do, they are clearly the bad guys here, because pewdie's video was just showing how with a very small little bit of money you can make someone say whatever you want... doesnt that tell you something? about the media? no? Cus thast what they do all the time... maybe thats why they didnt like pewdie's video?...
Just like half way into the video after a long day, but I have to side with many of the comments on this one. Lawrence repeatedly harps on the "context" issue but so far takes each of Felix's statements out of context, seemingly in defense of The Journal. It seems the issue is that Lawrence falls on the side of "I didn't find this funny, so it's an anti-Semitic statement", which is a semi-valid argument, but seeing as comedy is entirely subjective, that's where his stance fails. In these weak points, James is somehow the voice of reason. The "double-down" argument is also flawed because of what they said at the very beginning of the podcast: He's a guy and his statements are a result of him finding the need to rephrase because his explanations aren't quite as precise as they are/being taken how he interprets them in his own mind. These arguments only work out of context which Felix has tackled numerous times (ironically, sometimes in the cited WSJ examples) and they perpetuate the stigma of RUclipsrs not being comedians and the double standard that legitimate comedians (also Funhaus) are somehow able to make such inflammatory statements in jest. Coming from Funhaus in particular, this as a whole is pretty ridiculous and worrying as a viewer. I'll weather as much of this floundering debate as I can and edit as these issues get resolved/more issues arise.
Hebrew Hand by their logic if I don't find their misogynistic jokes funny, then they're misogynists. I guarantee you if funhaus were under the microscope like pewdiepie was they would be singing a different toon.
Goldyn One It really does reduce my appreciation for them that they cannot see this very simple truth. I'm sorry if Funhaus does anything other than support Pewdiepie in this regard, they are absurd hypocrites.
Goldyn One this is spot on, all the jokes made about asians, blacks, mexicans all those are racial humour, So in Lawrence's argument they are now racists, misogynists and probably a host of other things. If they are ever put under the microscope like pewdiepie they would have far more "offensive" jokes then in Felix's case. Also if lawrence was going to go so in depth on the issue he should have done more research, and found out that whilst yes they did ask for a comment/statement from Felix it was days after the story had blown up. now of course they are allowed to discuss these issues but if they get things wrong they should take the criticism in and continue, but by the looks of all the comments so far pointing things out to them the next comments show will feature a salty Lawrence defending himself and pseudo insulting the audience but at this point in time what should you expect.
I've literally never watched a pewdiepie video barring his "response" and some collars with other YTers. Their take on it is pretty embarrassing, if they'd have spent 10 minutes researching the issue they wouldn't have said most of the things they said, and don't even get me started on the hypocrisy.
No offence to Funhaus I absolutely love them, but they are not the biggest channel on RUclips. They don't bring billions of views every video. They aren't really worth reporting on because they aren't well known. Pewdiepie was targeted because of his fame and influence. What does Funhaus influence? I'll tell you its a fraction of what Pewdiepie influences.
I feel like all of funhaus should be on pewdiepies "side" if anything there jokes are very similar to him whether they are anti-Semitic, misogynistic etc, WSJ are slanderous arseholes who deserve all the hate they are getting, I'm not the biggest pewdiepie fan but I know a witch hunt when I see one, just watch H3H3 as well who explains it and if it makes it anymore credible he's a Jew
Pewds is just the perfect target; blonde haired, blue eyed, most popular youtuber making nazi jokes that aren't very funny. I didn't hear shit about Keemstars tyrades on the news.
Does no one see how if the WSJ never went to Disney/MakerStudios then they would have never severed ties with Pewdiepie? I firmly believe that Disney/Maker wouldn't care if that joke was in the video, because they know that it's not anti-semite at heart. (It's pretty easy to see when you don't take things out of context) It's only because the WSJ went to Disney/Maker with their ridiculous out-of-context accusations that they severed ties with Pewdiepie. Why does no one think about or at least acknowledge this possibility?
DeadPixel They did, Funhaus said its strictly business. Yes, if WSJ never went to Disney/Maker, they potentially might not have dropped PewDiePie. But Disney wants to keep its reputation (and its money) so they cut and run the moment some third party mentioned Anti-Semitism from one of their ties. Disney's got a lot of money and everyone's waiting to jump at the chance to sue them.
I'm jewish and no jewish person that I've spoken to that watches Pewdiepie is offended by his Nazi jokes. They're jokes, some are funnier than others but they are still jokes. People who don't know what they are talking about just want to be offended about something. It's interesting that it's mostly non-jews that are calling him an anti-semite.
Wtf Lawerence, you are drawing some ridiculous parallels and removing context even when you say context is important. You say "very direct anti-Semitic statements" but they are not, it was in the context of a joke. You are just taking out of context, I'm really pissed off. Also it seems like you guys didn't read or watch much, maybe Lawerence did, but then everyone else can't make a honest opinion because they aren't as informed as him and he obviously to the medias side of this. Regardless of "jokes" that pewdiepie made or whether you agree or disagree on how appropriate it was, the media is performing an absolute hit job.
ian schramm They mostly covered wether it was ok for Disney to fire pewdiepie like that or not.. but that was absolutely clear form the begging and it got even more clear when Felix released his response video.. he said he knows it was wrong, he is sorry and he's ok with consequences. what they SHOULD have talked about is the fact that media is basically trying to do everything they can to direct people out from pewdiepie and RUclips in general. yet they follow the same pattern that media wants them to follow and talk about wrong things
Dude, what? You're complaining about context while at the same time complaining of not understanding the context. Lawrence said that to note the perspective of others and how this could be taken.
I love how people refer to "the media" as if it were an actual entity. Johnny F. Media, CEO of The Media is performing an assassination on pewdiepie's public image. Golly gee, The Media are bad guys!
You guys are my favorite channel on youtube, but I don't understand how Lawrence can't see the hypocrisy in what he's saying. If Pewdiepie shouldn't be making those jokes, then Funhaus should end, because you guys go way farther.
the idea is that pewdiepie worked for disney and Funhaus works with rooster teeth, Pewdiepie should have been expected to be dropped by disney eventually by making these jokes because there a family friendly company, rooster teeth is not and so funhaus does not have to be family friendly so they can say such jokes. to put it simply, Pewdiepie is not anti semetic, he is allowed to make such jokes, the media is wrong for twisting it like they did, but disney has every right to drop him and it made smart buisness sense since he was bringing in bad media. They probably didn't want the face of their maker division to be someone who says such jokes, since they want themselves to be mostly viewed in a good light.
At no point did PewDiePie dispute the reason as to why Disney dropped him (so I don't know why this was discussed as much as it was). The real issue is the dishonest reporting on the part of the Wall Street Journal, where they went out of their way to paint him as an anti-Semite by using clearly out-of-context clips; even from a video where PewDiePie was mocking the way in which the media take his clips out-of-context. But the most they made about this point was Lawrence - in regards to the malevolent intentions of the Wall Street Journal video - saying "Ok...so this tips their hand a little bit...". So it felt like their position was "I don't think he's an anti-Semite...but the joke was in poor taste, he has only himself to blame, and the media weren't particularly unfair" when I feel it should have been: "I don't think he's an anti-Semite...even though the joke was perhaps in poor taste and it's not a surprise that Disney dropped him, the dishonest way in which some media outlets have utterly ignored the importance of context is infuriating - and who would know about the importance of context regarding Jew/Nazi/sexist/racist jokes than us?". I still appreciated the podcast though.
Jonathan Tinsley don't get me wrong, I didn't think there was anything wrong with pewds joke and I thought it was really funny but I guess people weren't ready for that side of felix's humor
Titus Orelius what do you mean against Pewdiepie? They agreed that Pewdiepie probably isn't an antisemite. Most of what they talked about is "business practices". FH doesn't work for Disney so they don't have to worry about protecting a Titan brand name that focuses on mass inclusion of separate ideologies to maximize consumerism. But Pewdiepie does and it seems that Disney was already severing ties with MCN. The didn't directly make any decision as to what side they are on. They just attempted to add their own commentary on the matter because of the parallels they drew to their content just like you did. And I hope that you read this thoughtfully because I watch this stuff for the intelligent discussion on entertainment and not to draw conclusions.
I know it's a persona in the gaming videos blah blah blah, but it always surprises me how eloquent, well structured and fair the conversation Lawrence puts out in dude soup is. Don't get me wrong I like everyone's input, but Lawrence stands out for me. Keep it up!
The FunHaus cast is significantly more social justice warriors than I like. Lawrence grew up in the south, hates anything traditional, and believes in his own "self-enlightened" progressivism. I infinitely prefer gaming videos to podcasts that have this kind of idiotic bias.
to what Elise said at like 14 minutes, he probably meant the video of him dressing up as a Nazi was the thing that was political since he was talking about RUclips content cops (I forgot the real name)
If WSJ writers lost their shit over Pewdiepie's potential or perceived racism, I wonder how they'd react to the old IG vids and a couple on this channel? Bruce, James, and Adam have all said something that border on racist in their content. Whoever wrote that article would be supremely triggered if they ever found FH/IG...
My dream was to become a Funhaus first commenter, "first!" I would whisper to myself in my dreams... unfortunately I only became a successful entrepreneur.... my mother will never be proud now.
Does it make you guys worry about all of your racist, sexist and other bigoted humour? Because right now you're operating within a bubble of acceptance for that sort of behaviour, with your fans mostly being young teenage boys; they think that stuff is funny..... but has there been a conscious choice to shift your humour away from that? Because it was getting pretty rampant for a while, like 5th grade boys testing the boundaries... but I've also noticed you guys catching yourselves just before it gets too out of hand lately. And if it has been a conscious decision, is that because you feel its a danger to sponsorships/plans for furthering your brand in the future?
BrensJoint Catching themselves before they get out of hand? Have you seen the Disney princess GTA video where they call every woman fat and Adam asks if Ariel can fight back? They definitely have not been censoring themselves recently...
AngrySmurf that's worrying.. because the maturity level is straight out of middle school... I miss the old Inside Gaming days.. I used to actually tell people about their channel... now I'm too ashamed, I only watch as a last resort when super bored... Neebs Gaming all the way these days!
Just a quick off-topic comment. Good on you Lawrence. I could tell you were struggling through your sickness. Bravo for keeping up with the quality standard you guys set. Edit: Also I had the exact same disgusted face Adam had when Lawrence was quoting the group that loves gadget.
Kudos to Funhaus for taking the time to examine the incident and consider the circumstances. Even if they didn't arrive at what you thought was the "right" conclusion, at least they took the time to try to understand the situation and make an informed judgement. As an audience that's all you can ask for.
FUnhaus and especially lawrence could you please also add more to the "death to all jews" content? Pewds also asked if they would say "subscribe to keemstar" so the "death to all jews" joke wasn't the only joke in that "order". Edit: Also that scared pewdiepie season 2 got cancelled because of this and it didn't just affect a pewds but all of the people working on it.
While that is true, the point still stands that it's not really a tasteful joke, even with the punchline. I mean, I found it funny, but it's not something little kids and their parents would find funny or family friendly, so you can see why disney weren't happy with it
So first off, hello comment show and section. I'm getting a strong vibe that James and Elyse were the only ones to see every video put out from Pewdiepie and watched them all the way. They understand and clarify what was said or the certain situation that was being mentioned. However, our lovely dork Lawrence doesn't seem so informed. Or at least comes off like that. You mentioned the "hitler wasn't wrong" part of the video, but that wasn't from Pewds. That was another video he put in from someone else. I feel like he skimmed articles and some clips and got his info there. Also that "the image is enough context" line is gold. It's not enough context and here's an example why: Bruce himself in one gta video was making some rather crude jokes about women and their place. Now we can take that clip of Bruce saying that joke there, which we the audience know it's a joke because we watched the video, we post that with an article of Bruce's commentary about women. Behold a shit storm. Now according to Papa Lawrence, the image and what they gave was enough context. With that we can only assume "wow Bruce is a dick to girls." Because, that's what the context given is. We all know it's not though as we can out and actually look up evidence and do research. Btw being a dick because you're sick isn't okay dude. I mean c'mon at 34:24 the look on Adam and James' face says enough. End of comment. Too long for the show but still I felt like putting this out there.
For Fucks Sake! For the people asking hypothetically, "What would you do if all this happened to you?" Stop it. Rooster Teeth is not Disney, the jokes Funhaus make are far more thought out and comically applied than that one particular joke Felix made and last but not least.....ROOOSTER TEEETH IS NOT DISNEEEEEY!!!!! The jokes made by Rooster Teeth (Bernie, Gus, all of AH, and more) are a million times worse than the jokes on Funhaus. Rooster Teeth wouldn't give two shits about what Wall Street Journal would have to say. Honestly, think people :[
I want to say thank you for handling the topic of PewDiePie in the media in the manner that you did. There was legitimate conversation on this cast that pointed out MANY great points. Your candor, analogies, and understanding pointed out the exact reason that when I open RUclips FunHouse is the first place I check for a freshly posted video. Keep up the good work guys... and gal.
I love how Adam is scrambling to do anything to break the tension in the air from 34:24 until 36:09. James has some pretty good crazy eye going on too when he knows the ship is going down, but the show must go on.
How are these guys in the comments freaking out, FunHaus even said they have a lot of parallels with Pewdiepie with pushing what's okay and not. Neither one of them are racist, they both are entertainers, the issue with Pewdiepie is he works with Disney, Funhaus is with Rooster Teeth. Rooster Teeth has never been for kids necessarily, Disney is for family and kids. In short, neither one are racist, it was a bad joke, that's it. Get over yourselves people in the comments. Edit: I don't necessarily mean Disney is for kids 100%, but they are much more clean and family oriented than other companies. That's all I meant.
Yeah it was totally funny when funhaus made fun of whites, blacks, asians but when pewdiepie made a joke about jews that wasn't cool, I get it now thanks funhaus
The weird thing to me are people who dislike the video for their opinions even though they each have slightly different takes on the situation, they just don't feel the need to shout or argue endlessly to make sure theirs is the dominant one.
i really don't understand why people are angry in the comments , me personally i agree with some of the things they said and a lot of other things i don't , this will never change the fact that Bruce have an awesome beard.
I've been subscribed to you guys for a while but this was the first bowl of Dude Soup I've ever experienced and I actually really liked it. Good insights combined with Funhaus' typical schtick made it worth my time. You're helping this depressed college kid stay happy. Keep up the good work guys, I love you all.
I think the reason i love this channel so much is because throughout the week I get to watch this crude humor that appeals to my sense of humor, but then once a week I get to see that the 17 year old goons I normally see are actually intelegent adults capable of thinking and forming both opinions and arguments about a wide range of topics. I just appreciate these podcasts because so often on youtube and television we see these characters people portray and we get the idea in our head that that character is actually them but with shows like these podcasts we can see another facet of some of my favorite charters, and it helps me come back to reality about the content I'm watching.
Pewdiepie's jokes were talking out of a context for most of the article when involving pictures, clips, and quotes. WSJ has been gunning for the kid's neck for quite sometime because his name has POWER. He should've doubled down on his personal statement tho. Lawrence, I love you bro, but you were mad hypocritical from time to time about jokes with or without context in this *bowl of Dude Soup* but you also made the fantastic point that he's under GODKING DISNEY CHRIST so the rules are different. The issue is quite complicated, and so are the arguments & summarization. I deeply appreciate the wide spectrum of viewpoints provided in this episode on the topic. #FuckWSJ
Why so many dislikes? I agree with what Laurence said. The joke Felix made was undoubtedly a joke, but just a tasteless one. Funhaus aren't being hypocrites, they deliver racist/edgy jokes much better than the ending to the controversial video Felix made and that's at least my opinion. If you guys don't like what Funhaus has to say on the issue and you think they are being hypocritical then either stop watching them or be sure to remind them of "their opinions" next time- or honestly , whenever they make a tasteless joke. You aren't going to stop watching them though because you need your Funhaus edgy humor fix, but just keep all this in mind before you get dislike happy.
i think the dislikes stem from Lawrence's lack of context being used throughout with his point about it being irrational for pewdiepie to think the WSJ is not going in on him, because in the WSJ video (in my opinion) the cuts make it seem like pewdiepie is crazy anti-semetic when a lot were taken out of context which was the very thing that Lawrence was emphasizing. but also its all about context from both sides and the arguments in the comments i think stem from either people without context but think they do and the people who do have all the context
Telling someone to stop watching because you disagree is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess we don't need a rating system then right? If you don't like it, don't watch it! Only put yourself in your own bubble of videos that completely agree with you and have zero conflicting opinions! Perfect!
Shock Wire I actually agree with that as well. I guess I just wish people were more understanding to the fact that this is a podcast by people who don't focus on podcasts. Lawrence's main goal was to get to the point of the relationship of Disney and Pewdiepie being as such where regardless of the context, it wouldn't work out.
DeadPixel Disliking because of a conflicting opinion just happens to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Disliking a video is more than just a small counter statement or arguing a small point, it is dismissing an entire video as unpleasant and overall un-enjoyable. What actually makes me angry is the lack of thought that goes into the "hypocritical" statements behind the dislikes. It makes me beg the question of whether not anyone even actually did watch the fucking video. This shit happened with H3H3 where Ethan did a video that had a small mention of something controversial and the related group got offended and disliked the entire video on that basis and then he uploaded another video mentioning the counter group and then they got offended and did the exact same thing. I wish this didn't happen, but you are right. It does happen and people can dislike for any reason. Funhaus's biggest point here was that Pewdiepie's joke that was clearly a joke (even if tasteless) would never be accepted by Disney under any circumstance. But people wanted to get to offended and take sides that they couldn't see the main point of the video only the small portion that offended them. "Funhaus are hypocrites" is about the most retarded thing to see in the comments after watching the whole video and the idea of having a video disliked for such a stupid reason in and of itself is stupid. But hey, that's just my opinion. Don't take it too hard buddy. All of this is just something people should think about BEFORE they dislike...not after.
I thoroughly enjoy watching dude soups with these type of topics. Seeing all of the opinions of the group of y'all talking reminded me of my friends and I when we discuss topics. For example, everyone thinks their own way but accept and respect others opinion. Love y'all and keep on keeping on.
Sometimes Lawrence's arrogance can get under my skin. Love him most of the time, but as soon as he believes he's right about something, he pushes his ideas way too much. It's like he thinks he's the only one that can be logical about complex situations.
I feel like 90% of the people leaving comments saying Funhaus is being hypocritical just watched the first 10min of the show, got triggered and didn't actually listen to their arguments.
I like seeing an emotional podcast! Where they all have different opinions even if they are slightly or completely different! Comments are a tiny bit toxic but I think that was always going happen with what you are talking about. I liked this though! Thanks guys!
I feel like they didn't actually read the article that WSJ put out. Everything the the WSJ used in their article was presented with 0 context and was presented with an obvious bias against him.
You guys are missing some context on the "death to all jews" stunt as well, Pewdiepie got them to hold up the sign and say "subscribe to Keemstar". It is still undoubtedly a controversial joke but this adds a bit more depth to what would otherwise just be a tasteless reference as you said. It shows that the joke was a bit of satire in reference to the whole Keemstar racism scandal, making a sort of parody message that, out of context, would be seen as an antisemitic message on behalf of Keemstar. Ironically though, through the misconstruction of context it has been presented as evidence of Pewdiepie's own opinions.
Great video, I appreciate the discussion and points you brought up. Much more level-headed than what I've heard so far. There's a lot of good jokes on this channel but if people don't watch these eps they're really missing out. I also appreciate that everyones shirts are different color schemes and makes you look like power rangers. A+ keep fighting the good fight
I fucking hate all the people defending PewDiePie and ripping on Funhaus. All these actions by PewDiePie and Funhaus have the intentions of being JOKES, get that through your heads. True, some of these jokes, especially from Funhaus may go to far, but having someone as big as PewDiePie to post a video with "Anti-Semitic" content. I liked Jame's point of, if you're that much of a worldwide star (working with Disney) you should take the time to think about how something in your video might have gone too far especially for multi-million amounts of viewers. Now I wonder if any of you bashing Funhaus even watched the entire video. Just my view of the issue, but I'd love to hear everyone's opinion!
Ewoksson I never said "Jew jokes aren't allowed" or "edgy jokes are allowed" so learn when to quote people properly. And the point I'm trying to get across is that PewDiePie was trying to make a joke which came across as being offensive because a viewership that doesn't typically experience his humor or behavior. So seeing something that was a dark joke on a channel that was supposed to be affiliated with Disney was shocking to people. I'm just saying that PewDiePie should have taken more consideration to what he was posting while in a contract with Disney. I recently watched his response video and have gained more respect for him, though I don't personally like his content, I think he's a good human being. Also, I don't think that Funhaus should be receiving flak for a video that thousands of other popular RUclipsrs are doing to try and actually show more in depth what is going on and their own opinion on the topic.
Horseinapool it's only "anti Semitic" if you take it out of context and the WSJ did this so blatantly its disgusting, if they would have mentioned the context and said it was "anti Semitic" anyway it would be different but reading the article from WSJ made me feel like they just hate pewdiepie and we're looking for anything to discredit him. Funhaus and especially Lawrence defending WSJ saying the "context doesn't matter" is so ridiculously hypocritical I'm surprised they could even think like that. They have literally made a video were they joke about domestic abuse for a solid 8-9 mins. There's plenty of stuff were they have "went over the line" but even the idea of "the line" is so subjective. Long story short I felt very disappointed and genuinely frustrated that funhaus didn't feel the need to defend pewdiepie for simply making a "bad joke" which a lot of people found quite funny.
Kellen McGurkin I agreed with PewDiePie in his response video where the WSJ is afraid of RUclips personalities and YT in general because they're afraid that people will leave their shit site and watch RUclips videos instead of reading articles. So I agreed with him that the WSJ was taking things out of context. Also, I meant that the joke had a "anti-Semitic" interpretation, not that it was anti-Semitic. I believe that Funhaus was saying that the context didn't matter at times because they were talking about how he should have had a mora obligation to think about what he was posting to a viewership that was outside his own, especially one in which Disney represented. I think it's sad that Disney was forced on a business side to cut ties with PewDiePie even though I don't care to watch his content. Also, Funhaus was saying that you have to look at the context of a joke to understand if it's just a joke or if it's meant to carry power behind it. For the most of the video they keep a neutral stance looking at both sides but a lot of times they support PewDiePie but still believe that he should've known what he was posting. And I didn't mean "bad joke" I thought it was quite funny attached to Keemstar's name.
Battleballs Don't remember hearing anything political stances of PewDiePie, Funhaus, and all the viewers of RUclips, but ok. I did say that the media is against RUclipsrs and RUclips in general because they don't like how people can gain their news from videos rather than reading their own trash articles. I do agree that the media is against "Pewds" and other RUclipsrs, just like media and general entertainment stars today, actors for example
I like James points on why Disney could be at fault for some of what just happened. In my opinion this is stupid, Pewdiepie has always had that "edgy" comedy which he states is amateur and is only targeted for the sole reason to bring in money. I don't agree with the joke he made, was tasteless especially in this political climate like Adam said. But you can't blame disney for having to leave Pewdiepie behind.
I can't stress enough how eloquent they were in describing the issue while painting a bigger picture about our media. One of my courses that I took in college was about the evolution of media. This quickly led to freedom of the press and the way news, as well as journalism has changed. I remember something really cool my professor said about journalism and the media in general. It was that we need to come to an understanding that every person has a bias. People have their own agendas and at the end of the day it's about money, because that's what matters. I think the news/media has reached a really personal level and I think that some individuals get the impression that some of the people on tv or writers for news or blog outlets are somehow more morally righteous and would never do anything wrong, whatever that may be. What I'm personally seeing is that exaggerations, or spicy headlines, are the big thing right now. Now that we've transitioned to the internet, you would've thought that maybe journalism would be more in the citizens hands, and they could form an opinion after looking at how the media handles the situation, rather than the situation itself. It's a complicated time for sure. TLDR: Don't be afraid to question what you read or see.
You literally say all the same jokes? Can you try to be any more hypocritical? I'm pretty sure you've made made dozens of videos ripping into women or other races
James and Bruce were on Pewd's side. Elyse and Lawrence were just saying they understood why Disney and the WSJ did what they did, whereas Adam didn't seem to understand why people made the Pewds-Disney connection. None of them were against Pewdiepie. In fact, they acknowledge all the parallels to their own content.
_ Hans _ did you watch the whole podcast, he was part of branch under Disney yet they just say Disney because it's the big name plus Walt Disney was a anti Semite himself so they can't exactly say they are the perfect business
Dan Lodder Yes but its still disney. Disney doesnt see him branched, they see him as a part of their brand. The walt disney thing is exactly why they cut him. theyre trying to get away from that past stuff. I think disney is petty but you cant call funhaus hypocrites when they work for roosterteeth under freaking burnie who makes a offensive jokes on the daily
This is the most sensible, honest reaction to pewdiepie yet, and I am so glad you guys did this. I'm still upset with pewdiepie, personally it was too far for me and it'll be a good long while before I'd be able to think of him without a grimace, but I recognize that this entire situation is ridiculously complicated, and you guys covered all based. Thank you so much for this.
I just recently picked up on the Dude Soup podcasts and I absolutely love them haha. Weirdly, I love to hear the members of funhaus expressing their opinions and just going over topics. It's very cool to hear them so eloquently express what they think and not just hear like 10 minute clips. Thanks FH!
For the love of all that is holy: listen to the whole podcast BEFORE you comment.
I love how this comment got buried
Seriously, I was wondering why there were so many video dislikes. Unfortunately for many people, anger comes before reason; they ignore 90% of what you guys said.
Am sorry Bruce, most of this lot.Just read the title and got angered. They miss the points of the 80 mins of the programs.
Bruce Greene holy fuck this podcast is assblasted
I feel this lends credibility to Adam's statement "How many people even read past the headline?"
I'm pretty sure no one sitting there is against pewdiepie so I don't know what y'all are mad about
Exactly lol.
Ya they seem understanding of both sides. PewDiePie is allowed to make the joke. But Disney is completely in the right to get rid of him.
Just like they were "understanding" of TMartin illegally taking money from children? Or the dude who smacked the other dude in the face because he said something they didn't like? How honourable of them.
That's not a mistake, just because it's a joke doesn't mean it's not antisemitic.
These people are fucking idiots.
His (Pewdiepie) videos were already a month old. Media and Disney didn't wake up one morning and thought "oh shit Pewdiepie's anti-semitic", they were pressured by WSJ. WSJ themselves admited that both companies only acted after the Journal had enquire them.
Thats what happens when the media learns something that can get people to pay attention to it
Well that's the point really. I was super confused the day I heard that Disney wanted to hire PewDiePie. I was thinking why is a company known for their children's cartoons wanting to hire a guy who constantly yells "F*** my *ss" in two different languages, and then some on top of that. It's obvious to everyone now that they are like any company just looking to make money in everything they can until someone complains.
All these people shouting "hypocrite" that either 1) don't watch the whole video/only want to hear one side of it, or 2) don't take into the account that, in comedy, there is such a fine, ever-changing line based on so many things. People can make jokes in private that they can't make in public. They're not saying PewDiePie is making more offensive jokes than they do, but PewDiePie has a different line than Funhaus as determined by these other companies and media, and they're saying that in this case, the media and Disney have perceived that he crossed his line. So why don't you 1) watch the whole video, 2) try to see the whole picture rather than just saying "Funhaus, you make offensive jokes, you're hypocrites."
thank you
Michael Mckelvey A
Preach.
No. Because internet.
Battleballs Not at all, everyone is entitled to their opinion, all I'm saying is that, in reading a lot of the comments, it feels like a lot of people aren't watching the whole video because they really seem to touch on both sides throughout the video
This podcast is going to be gold for the next comment response video.
My thoughts exactly.... For some reason the dumbest comments are as "top comments". This thumbnail sure attracted a bunch of people who probably don't watch them or didn't watch the video till the end
Asura_14
Right? All these inane comments with absolutely no comprehension of the points made in the video.
MrHorris yep Lawrence is gonna have a new asshole
Butt stuff
Okay, here is a hypothetical for you FunHaus. The Wallstreet Journal finds all the clips of you guys making sexist, racist and offensive comments on your shows (of which there are plenty). They write and article AND also email Rooster Teeth and RUclips and complain how you are racists and misogynists. Suddenly you are under fire from other news outlets and more people are writing that RT should stop supporting you. You come back saying all the statement are jokes and should not be taken seriously and the answer the WSJ is "It can be jokes, but it normalizes racism and misogyny."
What do you do?
Fight against the claim and continue doing what you want to do creatively?
Or become sanitized and not allowed to make any more "offensive jokes"?
SynergetiCat or they could try and make better jokes. Instead of going for shock try being funny like funhaus. Also RT is a very different organisation than Disney (Disney founded by an antisemite and more sensitive to the charge).
SynergetiCat they'll use the excuse they aren't famous enough and that their influence isn't broad enough to encourage that behaviour
I agree, If Wallstreet Journal did the same thing to Funhaus they would react the same way as Pewdiepie. I believe there are plenty of jokes or content could be taken out of Funhaus video as some kind of attack towards certain group, if Funhaus is the biggest channel on youtube. I believe I will keep enjoy Funhaus on other content but not this podcast. :(
Thing is, if they had 50 Mill subscribers, they would be doing the same type of content they do right now.
Paul Steed humour is subjective. To some prople, their humour IS the best comedy
i only imagine if Funhaus had 50 Millions subs..... the media would freak out everytime they released a video
edit: spelling
they would probably be a lot more self aware and responsible though and since Joel died there hasn't been half as many jew jokes
***** I don't know about that. Funhaus might come across like they just say anything but you'd probably be surprised how much they probably censor themselves
+Azrael have you seen The Know covering this story? it was a little hypocritical
This exactly why they'll never have 50 million subs. They're a niche channel, most people don't like crude jokes like they make
This ain't leddit m8.
Well, truth is, Pewdiepie was doing it to point out that the media takes everything out of context.
And they did.
He's said in so many videos over the last few months that the media takes everything out of context, and edits videos in such a way that he makes fun of them taking things out of context, like when he watches a Hitler speech in a soldier uniform, and then, whaddya know, it gets taken out of context.
I have never disagreed more with Lawrence's stance on an issue. Quintessential gamer I don't know who you are anymore.
Lawrence doesn't think it's ill attempt of WSJ? He doesnt think or is not sure if they did it for personal gain? He says this stuff is happeneing all the time, it's just how it is?
Didn't you know that the WSJ were knocking on PewDiePie's door after this whole thing exploded and got media coverage, and offered him their platform for a statement? Yeah let that sink in. PewDiePie has millions of viewers DAILY while the WSJ site has 250k viewers daily even tho their site is 40% their income source. And THEY offered HIM a platform to address this topic. Don't you get it? They did this whole thing ONLY for personal gain, to get clicks. They don't care that they are literally destroying jobs and the hard work of hundreds of people.
And now imagine my surprise listening to Lawrence trying to defend the WSJ by not aknowledging WSJs ill attempt. It was attempt at character assassination, like PewDiePie said in his response vid. Like the media is doing with Trump now.
I am shocked you don't see that.
KubusSc7 I honestly don't know why they don't understand this, you would think they'd see this, it's not biased, it is literally what's happening
they realyl should watch Sargon of Akkad's videos. His journalism is 10 time sbetter than any paid journalist of the establishment right now.
No shit, a company wants to make a profit? I don't believe you.
Did literally anybody actually listen to the fucking podcast? I swear like people just commented ASSUMING the worst, when all these guys said was that they don't think hes an anti-Semite, and this was simply a shitty fucking joke that has obvious anti-Semitic connotations that could easily be interpreted as such. They almost immediately say this is a complex situation. Am I missing something??
No you're not. Don't ever look for logic in the comment section on a youtube video.
PissLovinBoy I think the problem here is that Funhaus/inside gaming has said/done far worse than Pewdiepie ever has in the name of comedy
Yeah, the difference is Funhaus aren't with Maker Studios, so they're kinda not worried about saying the shit they do, regardless of whether it's funny
FH also said that Pewdiepie going on the defensive was unjustified, but it absolutely is when you consider the absolute zeitgeist going on in the Media against Pewdiepie; especially given the number of times that outlets like WSJ, polygon, Vice, Vox, Salon, etc. have gone after Pewdiepie, and have also generally mocked and ridiculed RUclips culture before
Sorry but how is any of that a problem or something to be missed? (@Trevman and Gedgemondo)
There is a thin line between jokes and insults - and that line is called 'intention'.
Pewdiepies initial primary intention was for laughter, even if it was insensitive. That is much different than an initial primary intention of persecution, sprinkled with "humor".
So in this particular case of the Pewds I think its been way overblown.
He's just some silly Swed trying to be funny; who doesn't have the luxury of being born in a laughable and naturally odd country - like Canada
Kyle Jasvins how do you even survive on the internet?
Kyle Jasvins that sucks
not only was his intention laughter, his intention was to show how with a bit of money (arround 5 bucks actually) you can make anyone say whatever the fuck you want. if he has to be careful about the jokes he makes because of the amount of viewers he has, also does the wallstreet journal for the same reason. but media does that all the time, they put money and make ppl say whatever they want. i see why they didnt like pewdies video, he was showing how ez it is to do what they do all the time.
steveme49 Maybe everyone calling him a Nazi is making an intended joke so everyone whining about people calling Pewdiepie a Nazi should just stop being offended little snowflakes at harmless jokes.
...? the wall street journal is not a youtube comediant. They make ''news''.
Can I also add that it wasn't just pewdiepie working on his show, over 100 people were working on it so WSJ didn't just provide a mild inconvenience to him they made loads of people lose there jobs so they can get a few clicks on a shitty article, Lawrence used to ride articles so he'll never go against them
So journalists shouldn't report on stories because of the people that might be affected? That's rational.
mgrey24 that's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that in their attempt to bring down the big bad pewdiepie all they did was cause him a minor inconvenience and put 100 people out of a job
Whether you like it or not it was a story. What would context have added to this. It would have have still been all several instances that PDP made anti-semitic remarks. People are seemingly having problems with the fact that because they are'jokes' or don't have nefarious intent, they are still anti-semitic. Nothing changes with the added context of it being jokes. He still said/did these things.
Dan Lodder oh no all those temp jobs for a 3 month production that hadnt even started. what will all the medoa industry people do to fill that time period. oh just get a different 3 month job in the thousands of productions going on in that time period.
mgrey24 EVERYTHING changes with context. What are you talking about?
Dear Lawrence
Not gonna lie, I don't know how to feel about this podcast. Lawrence, typically you do use 'outrage' humour within your videos, tame even though it might be, It could be say that PewDiePie does the same thing. Unlike him, you've clearly stated that you put on a 'persona' to get most of your jokes across from "Outrage Lawrence" & "Quintessential Gamer Lawrence" to "Laptop Lawrence" back in the Inside Gaming days. In all fairness I can bet my bottom dollar that he does the same, tuning the dial up a few notches so he can get his jokes across.
But I digress, as I'm well aware Funhaus know, comedy is a art form. There are certain rules and standards people must follow in order to be "comedians", a certain level of respect and understanding is needed to play with the nuances of comedy and BECAUSE of this I think that one of it's greatest attributes is the fact that "Everything is on the table", there are no limits when It comes to art of comedy.
It's a tool that can be used to entertain, inform and even humanise concepts and ideals that are way above most peoples levels of understanding. It's a way of creating a profound level of respect for topics of a taboo nature, because of the way comedians address them.
Unfortunately for PewDiePie its clear that he doesn't have this ability as he states in his video (My Response)- "I would consider myself a *rookie* comedian". I'm surprised that going off the track record of Funhaus & Machinima/inside gaming videos that you took a fairly negative stance on this topic. Honestly I thought that you would be hitting this discussion with something of a more intellectual approach
Lemings732 Try watching the whole video next time
Ethan Spira I did to be honest pal, not gonna lie
Battleballs true, always a good idea to be careful
Why don't you watch the whole video
"Why don't you watch the whole video?" I did, I watched the 1:11:19 of actually genuine discussion to which I gave my own opinions and views about the topic at hand. Then I watched the next 10 minutes and nine seconds. of Hard Nettin'. Unless Adams opinions about the mom for TailSpin have anything to add to the previous discussion. Your comments are null and void.
i think Lawrence forgot to mention that one of the main reasons pewds took this as an attack rather than just media coverage was the fact that he made a specific video on the fact that media ignores context for their own gain or agenda, and at the end of that video he showed a Hitler speech, which was supposed to represent how the mainstream media is nowadays. The media then released another "article" ONLY showing the Hitler speech from said video (and other videos) once again completely ignoring the context. Furthering the point of why pewds thought he was attacked, rather than just being neutrally covered in an article.
I found the video fucking hilarious by the way, if James said no one found it funny, how are you guys still in business
Because some of their content is good? Oh by the way putting *fucking* in a sentence doesn't make you tough kid.
Putting "Hail Satan" in your bio doesn't make you tough "kid".
copy pasterino what? where did you get the impression he was trying to be tough? lol
Because they are funny.
Stop spamming you triggered little flower.
What the fuck is going on? Did I watch a different video? They've been nothing but respectful towards PewDiePie, I don't know what people are so butt hurt about.
Just angry people who wanted Funhaus to sit around for an hour and yell "AW MAN FUCKIN MEDIA, RIGHT? YEA FUCK THE MEDIA, MEDIA IS LITERALLY HITLER."
2 Spooky 4 Me wtf no thats not what they're doing nor for that reason. They are acknowledging both sides of the argument and as a matter of fact, its mentioned multiple times that they are more biased towards pewdiepie's defense because they themselves make content that could be interpreted in a similar way
RUclipsUsers Suck said the most accurate account ever.
Have to ask, why the hell do they need to defend him? Honestly, I feel like the people complaining already have a preconditioned bias towards the media. As someone who came into this video not really caring about Pewd and not living on every word the media spurts out, they remained pretty neutral on the whole matter.
Fuck PewDiDude, he's a hack, anyway.
I agree with what you guys said, but would like to point out a few things I think you may have missed:
1. After the "DEATH TO ALL JEWS" sign was revealed, the guys said and the video showed "subscribe to keemstar". I think that is of great importance and gives you the full context, esspecialy knowing keemstar's past and his and pewdiepie's relationship.
2. At 54:55, He did. In the "my response" video he stated how he understands the reason why maker cut him loose, and that's why he is concentrated on the media coverage side of things.
3. Maker studios also owns idddubz, and he is much more uncensored then pewdiepie, so why isn't he being under fire. This plys into the idea that the "media" (even though it's stupid to generalize, just like the "goverment". Literally milions of people work in it.) or let's say then WSJ had some reasons to target him.
4. On a side note, the video they showed has pewdiepie looking at hitler and nodding. In the sam video where he does that, he is making fun of how this can and could be edited out and just shown as anti-semetic and pro-Nazi...and it actually happened!
5. Whatch his new video "I KILL HITLER", and tell me it's not funny. Yes, all things subjective, but that is a well thought out video. (new edit)
I might edit new arguements and opinions in here but won't change the existing. Would love to here thoughts form anyone, but especially you guys, gals and Benson.
^^^^^^^^ pls everyone upvote this ^^^^^^
I've watched funhaus/ Inside Gaming for years and though I don't remember specifics (it all blurs together) I could say quite certainly that they would have said far worse at times. Uber solider could be an example. They turned a regular solider into a mass murderer that hated people of all religions and aimed for their death. The Sexist character they created in their "Legendary" gameplays, all very funny but I would argue far more offensive.
It's all jokes, the media is the problem here.
Marko Erlic I don't find most of his videos funny. Saying "Watch it and tell me it's not funny" weakens your argument. It's completely subjective. Adding "subscribe to Keemstar" doesn't make the video okay either. It's like saying "I'm not racist but..." and the proceding in saying something racist. The first comment doesn't disregard what was said after.
Thaff Eelwen Though I agree that the media is the problem. When was the last time you read the WSJ? I know it has been years ever since I had to read it for a class assignment. They are the ones profiting from PewDiePie's misfortunes, if that's what you want to call this whole thing. Though I garantee his views have sky rocketed lately.
1. The "Watch his video" part wasn't an arguement, just a suggestion and yes, it's subjective. But I was telling that to the Funhaus crew, because they even said they like his humour, so the following video after all this shit storm kind of is really relevant because it broadens the context in which he functions. They acknowledge his houmor and see the parallels, so my suggestion to watch the video makes sense.
2. "The first comment doesn't disregard what was said after", in this case...it does. Keemstar said stupid, racist things in the past months, he also gave pewdiepie a ot of crap in his videos and tried to "expose" him with his "journalistic mojo". So therefore it makes sense because he was connecting anti-semetic statement with keemstar, implying he is the guy who would be fine with these kinds of statements.
Lawrence, no matter the situation, you can never have 'enough' context.
Everyone in the comments talking about how hypocritical everyone was. Really, the only kinda hypocritical person was James when he kept referring to PewDiePies jokes as "shitty" and low effort when often times he (and FH in general) exploits the same low effort racism/sexism/shock jokes.
Merrick Cassian Actually he was only referring to the "antisemitic" joke as "shitty" in that people who heard about it that weren't part of his intended audience wouldn't have understood how to joke should be interpreted so the underlying joke or message of what he was saying, wasn't funny for those who don't watch is content.
Not true at all. The joke was so extremely obvious in that video, there is absolutely no way someone could watch it and not realize it's a joke. They might think it's not funny and get offended, but there is no way to misconstrued that as something someone seriously believes and anyone who tries making that horrible wishy washy argument looks like a fool. That wasn't james argument at all.
Except they actually do it well. They're experienced comedians. Pewdiepie is just now making his first forays into being purely comedic, unlike the Funhaus guys.
Uh. Sorry to break it to you, but Funhaus are not "experienced comedians."
If anything, they're experienced entertainers. Which is exactly what PewDiePie is as well. Your personal preference to Funhaus' humor is meaningless.
Exactly. As much as i love Funhaus, they really tackled this issue in a supposed 'neutral' manner, but came of extremely shilly. Also talking about how there's a conspiracy regarding mainstream media when in reality, there isn't. MSM is fucking disingenuous and cancerous...
To James point,
Lots of people found it funny. In fact, if we're speaking in general terms, looking at the comments of that video, the MAJORITY found it funny. People understood it was a joke and in the context of the video it was hysterical. Great podcast though :)
Battleballs Fair point. I guess I should clarify, I don't actually know what the comments on that video were before it got taken down. I assumed it was mostly positive still. I only saw the comments the day after the video was released. Most people are getting a little tired of the whole SJW mentality. Disney had every right to do what they did. That being said, Pewds didn't do anything more than any other comedian out there. I'm not trying to dog the Funhaus crew either, I honestly believe they're playing devils advocate. They've made arguably worse jokes than Pewdiepie ever has lol. That's humor though. Some find it funny. Some don't. If you get offended by a joke, that's fine. Go be offended lol. Just don't ruin the good fun of the humor.
They aren't arguing against that. They're just saying specifically disney was not okay with it and they were a good chunk of pewdiepies revenue. They think he breached his contract with that joke that's all.
Ok lol. I'll correct you. You're wrong lol. Not trying to be a dick but, 32:35. "Again, my own perspective but, he probably thought, "I'm going to try and make a joke." but no one found it funny. Not really. I mean no one found it funny." Granted, James said it's from his own perspective. And I get he's speaking in very broad general terms. But if we're speaking in broad general terms, lets be honest about it. MOST people found it funny. A few people did not. Which goes back to my other comment, if you want to be offended that's fine. Go be offended. Just don't ruin the light heartedness of everyone else that was mature enough to understand the context and understand it was a joke. Humor is subjective. Not everything has to be found funny by everyone.
That being said, I'm really not knocking Funhaus. I love their podcasts. Mainly for reasons like this. They play devils advocate. Which is refreshing. I mean, how many times have they made an off colored joke? lol. They get humor. I'm not mad or salty. Just adding to his point.
So more than once technically. Twice actually lol.
Couldn't agree more. I mean, Disney had every single right to do what they did. I can't say I would have done the same, but it's their business. Whatever they're doing now is working lol. I think an even bigger question though is, why the hell would Disney be working with Pewds in the first place if they didn't want dark humor? lol. I honestly believe they're just caving into the pressures of the SJW mentality. If we start censoring humor or caving into the scrutiny of humor that a small minority don't find funny, we're in danger of losing a portion of what we considered free speech. Yes there a repercussions for our actions. But when did we start deeming a strain of humor "bad"? Scary times man lol.
This is just infuriating to watch.
Because it's hypocritical.
Goose Boose
???They were saying Pewds made a joke, had the right to make a joke even if found insensitive, but he had to know that it would have backlash in the current society. He couldn't expect to remain good standing with big companies while maintaining a very niche humor with edgy jokes
That's literally Funhaus you just described.
I agree Funhaus makes similar offensive jokes, but Funhaus isn't as big and isn't funded by a "family friendly" business, Disney. Rooster Teeth doesn't care if Funhaus makes these jokes, and obviously their advertisers/audience don't either.
the difference is that they aren't nearly as influential and don't have a contract with a company like Disney. Also a big portion of the discussion what about the way the situation was handled on either "side" and not about the joke itself
Richard Spencer is a horrible person, but violence isn't the answear for someone with bad ideas. one of the few times I've ever been put off by you guys. thank you for talking about semi serious stuff from time to time, you guys are a great part of my daily routine.
Shane Pelling while I respect your opinion, here's a quote from him
"America was, until this last generation, a white country, designed for ourselves and our posterity. It is our creation and our inheritance, and it belongs to us, Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!" and than used the Nazi Salute in front of around 300 people
Mjolk Even if he said that, you don't have the right to punch him yet.
Mjolk I also think Richard Spencer is a sack of shit but people don't deserve to be assaulted due to their opinions. If "it's okay to punch a Nazi" gets popular, who decides who is considered a Nazi and where does it stop? Violence due to difference of opinion is the ironic starting point of fascism.
Mjolk
Watch the video, he raises his glass and then a few people in the audience throw up the nazi (roman) salute.
Hes just a media bitch anyway, ive never met one person who likes him and ive been deep into all sorts of online underbellies. His movement (the alt right) was used for political reasons during the election to make people feel negatively towards trump voters.
Now the word alt-right is thrown around more than hipster. Its just an empty media term to try and vilify people.
HenTheBen
When is kick a commie gonna start trending. If one sort of political violence is ok then all political violence is ok
I can't wait for Lawrence to read these comments in the comments show and get pissed at everybody.
Battleballs what is at stake in your opinion?
Lawrence "WSJ provides enough context in their journalism" Sonntag
Tuck Cuckerson LOL This is gold man
No Lawrence, its not enough context. Not in that case, and not in the other cases the journal mentioned. They even took a screenshot of him pointin his arm up, he could've been doing just anything. Take the context away like you are doing and boom, you have a hitler child. I dont even like pewdiepie but this was some weird as fuck attack on him. If he has enough viewers that he has to be careful about the jokes he makes, the wallstreet journal should be careful about the statements they publish for the same reason. But if you consider media to be fucked up manipulators like i do, they are clearly the bad guys here, because pewdie's video was just showing how with a very small little bit of money you can make someone say whatever you want... doesnt that tell you something? about the media? no? Cus thast what they do all the time... maybe thats why they didnt like pewdie's video?...
mchepen exactly
mchepen the screenshot of him pointing his arm up was actually done right after he joked about the media pulling that action out of context xD
Just like half way into the video after a long day, but I have to side with many of the comments on this one. Lawrence repeatedly harps on the "context" issue but so far takes each of Felix's statements out of context, seemingly in defense of The Journal. It seems the issue is that Lawrence falls on the side of "I didn't find this funny, so it's an anti-Semitic statement", which is a semi-valid argument, but seeing as comedy is entirely subjective, that's where his stance fails. In these weak points, James is somehow the voice of reason. The "double-down" argument is also flawed because of what they said at the very beginning of the podcast: He's a guy and his statements are a result of him finding the need to rephrase because his explanations aren't quite as precise as they are/being taken how he interprets them in his own mind. These arguments only work out of context which Felix has tackled numerous times (ironically, sometimes in the cited WSJ examples) and they perpetuate the stigma of RUclipsrs not being comedians and the double standard that legitimate comedians (also Funhaus) are somehow able to make such inflammatory statements in jest.
Coming from Funhaus in particular, this as a whole is pretty ridiculous and worrying as a viewer. I'll weather as much of this floundering debate as I can and edit as these issues get resolved/more issues arise.
Hebrew Hand by their logic if I don't find their misogynistic jokes funny, then they're misogynists. I guarantee you if funhaus were under the microscope like pewdiepie was they would be singing a different toon.
Goldyn One It really does reduce my appreciation for them that they cannot see this very simple truth.
I'm sorry if Funhaus does anything other than support Pewdiepie in this regard, they are absurd hypocrites.
Goldyn One this is spot on, all the jokes made about asians, blacks, mexicans all those are racial humour, So in Lawrence's argument they are now racists, misogynists and probably a host of other things. If they are ever put under the microscope like pewdiepie they would have far more "offensive" jokes then in Felix's case. Also if lawrence was going to go so in depth on the issue he should have done more research, and found out that whilst yes they did ask for a comment/statement from Felix it was days after the story had blown up. now of course they are allowed to discuss these issues but if they get things wrong they should take the criticism in and continue, but by the looks of all the comments so far pointing things out to them the next comments show will feature a salty Lawrence defending himself and pseudo insulting the audience but at this point in time what should you expect.
Get a load of angry seinfeld up here.
pew die pie fanboys salty
leon Someno why?
leon Someno you don't have to watch pewdiepie apart from the video in question and the response to know he's right and the media are on a witch hunt
Not really. I defend him despite not liking his content.
You guys are stupid af. He said his fans are salty, not that everyone commenting criticism is a salty pewds fan.
I've literally never watched a pewdiepie video barring his "response" and some collars with other YTers. Their take on it is pretty embarrassing, if they'd have spent 10 minutes researching the issue they wouldn't have said most of the things they said, and don't even get me started on the hypocrisy.
Lawrence virtue signaling hard in this video.
Projection. We all know what kind of anime he likes... and I like it too :P
You should see his Twitter.
Cute buzzword. Did you hear that one recently on Facebook? Thought you'd find a way to use it?
Halosheep If you don't know what it means, doesn't invalidate its meaning my guy
yeah Laurence is kind of a giant fart sniffing liberal...
Lawrence should have taken a day off. Boy was he on edge.
God forbid WSJ gets pointed to pretty much any of your videos.
"Deranged youtuber cultists promote incest, racism, sexual deviancy. and use swastika-esque symbol as their logo!"
No offence to Funhaus I absolutely love them, but they are not the biggest channel on RUclips. They don't bring billions of views every video. They aren't really worth reporting on because they aren't well known. Pewdiepie was targeted because of his fame and influence. What does Funhaus influence? I'll tell you its a fraction of what Pewdiepie influences.
My reaction is somewhere between "cool story bro" and "no shit, captain obvious", not sure how to reply to that.
I feel like all of funhaus should be on pewdiepies "side" if anything there jokes are very similar to him whether they are anti-Semitic, misogynistic etc, WSJ are slanderous arseholes who deserve all the hate they are getting, I'm not the biggest pewdiepie fan but I know a witch hunt when I see one, just watch H3H3 as well who explains it and if it makes it anymore credible he's a Jew
i'm surprised they didn't do Rule 34 Pewdiepie,
oh wait, nobody wants to see a Naked Nazi,
lol salt
I'm pretty sure an authentic picture of Hitler naked would sell for millions.
This is going to be fun,
Big Boss Can't wait for all the salty tears to flood in.
I wouldn't mind a quick peek at a naked Himmler
Pewds is just the perfect target; blonde haired, blue eyed, most popular youtuber making nazi jokes that aren't very funny. I didn't hear shit about Keemstars tyrades on the news.
Does no one see how if the WSJ never went to Disney/MakerStudios then they would have never severed ties with Pewdiepie? I firmly believe that Disney/Maker wouldn't care if that joke was in the video, because they know that it's not anti-semite at heart. (It's pretty easy to see when you don't take things out of context) It's only because the WSJ went to Disney/Maker with their ridiculous out-of-context accusations that they severed ties with Pewdiepie.
Why does no one think about or at least acknowledge this possibility?
DeadPixel They did, Funhaus said its strictly business. Yes, if WSJ never went to Disney/Maker, they potentially might not have dropped PewDiePie. But Disney wants to keep its reputation (and its money) so they cut and run the moment some third party mentioned Anti-Semitism from one of their ties. Disney's got a lot of money and everyone's waiting to jump at the chance to sue them.
I'm jewish and no jewish person that I've spoken to that watches Pewdiepie is offended by his Nazi jokes. They're jokes, some are funnier than others but they are still jokes. People who don't know what they are talking about just want to be offended about something. It's interesting that it's mostly non-jews that are calling him an anti-semite.
Wtf Lawerence, you are drawing some ridiculous parallels and removing context even when you say context is important. You say "very direct anti-Semitic statements" but they are not, it was in the context of a joke. You are just taking out of context, I'm really pissed off.
Also it seems like you guys didn't read or watch much, maybe Lawerence did, but then everyone else can't make a honest opinion because they aren't as informed as him and he obviously to the medias side of this.
Regardless of "jokes" that pewdiepie made or whether you agree or disagree on how appropriate it was, the media is performing an absolute hit job.
ian schramm They mostly covered wether it was ok for Disney to fire pewdiepie like that or not.. but that was absolutely clear form the begging and it got even more clear when Felix released his response video.. he said he knows it was wrong, he is sorry and he's ok with consequences. what they SHOULD have talked about is the fact that media is basically trying to do everything they can to direct people out from pewdiepie and RUclips in general. yet they follow the same pattern that media wants them to follow and talk about wrong things
put what i was thinking into words so i didnt have to write it, thankyou sir
Watch the damn video.
Dude, what? You're complaining about context while at the same time complaining of not understanding the context. Lawrence said that to note the perspective of others and how this could be taken.
I love how people refer to "the media" as if it were an actual entity.
Johnny F. Media, CEO of The Media is performing an assassination on pewdiepie's public image. Golly gee, The Media are bad guys!
You guys are my favorite channel on youtube, but I don't understand how Lawrence can't see the hypocrisy in what he's saying. If Pewdiepie shouldn't be making those jokes, then Funhaus should end, because you guys go way farther.
the idea is that pewdiepie worked for disney and Funhaus works with rooster teeth, Pewdiepie should have been expected to be dropped by disney eventually by making these jokes because there a family friendly company, rooster teeth is not and so funhaus does not have to be family friendly so they can say such jokes.
to put it simply, Pewdiepie is not anti semetic, he is allowed to make such jokes, the media is wrong for twisting it like they did, but disney has every right to drop him and it made smart buisness sense since he was bringing in bad media. They probably didn't want the face of their maker division to be someone who says such jokes, since they want themselves to be mostly viewed in a good light.
At no point did PewDiePie dispute the reason as to why Disney dropped him (so I don't know why this was discussed as much as it was). The real issue is the dishonest reporting on the part of the Wall Street Journal, where they went out of their way to paint him as an anti-Semite by using clearly out-of-context clips; even from a video where PewDiePie was mocking the way in which the media take his clips out-of-context. But the most they made about this point was Lawrence - in regards to the malevolent intentions of the Wall Street Journal video - saying "Ok...so this tips their hand a little bit...". So it felt like their position was "I don't think he's an anti-Semite...but the joke was in poor taste, he has only himself to blame, and the media weren't particularly unfair" when I feel it should have been: "I don't think he's an anti-Semite...even though the joke was perhaps in poor taste and it's not a surprise that Disney dropped him, the dishonest way in which some media outlets have utterly ignored the importance of context is infuriating - and who would know about the importance of context regarding Jew/Nazi/sexist/racist jokes than us?". I still appreciated the podcast though.
dude watch the video.
+ Rosspieyoyo If you're referring to me, I watched the entire video before even thinking about commenting..
sensback "This channel should end because they have different views than me herp derpity derp."
I appreciate your guys' ability to debate both sides of the argument
The really funny thing is fiverr is an Israeli company.
I think pewds was trying to be edgy like idubez and it kinda blew up in his face
Jonathan Tinsley don't get me wrong, I didn't think there was anything wrong with pewds joke and I thought it was really funny but I guess people weren't ready for that side of felix's humor
Is anyone really surprised these guys would side against Pewdiepie? They showed long ago they have a very strong SJW/Toxic Feminist worldview.
Titus Orelius what do you mean against Pewdiepie? They agreed that Pewdiepie probably isn't an antisemite. Most of what they talked about is "business practices". FH doesn't work for Disney so they don't have to worry about protecting a Titan brand name that focuses on mass inclusion of separate ideologies to maximize consumerism. But Pewdiepie does and it seems that Disney was already severing ties with MCN. The didn't directly make any decision as to what side they are on. They just attempted to add their own commentary on the matter because of the parallels they drew to their content just like you did. And I hope that you read this thoughtfully because I watch this stuff for the intelligent discussion on entertainment and not to draw conclusions.
Titus Orelius are you stupid? when were they against pewdiepie?
...Did you even WATCH the podcast?...
Well at least Milo's Career is done, that's one upside in the past few days.
if funhaus are sjw's, then literally everyone is an sjw
I know it's a persona in the gaming videos blah blah blah, but it always surprises me how eloquent, well structured and fair the conversation Lawrence puts out in dude soup is. Don't get me wrong I like everyone's input, but Lawrence stands out for me. Keep it up!
The FunHaus cast is significantly more social justice warriors than I like. Lawrence grew up in the south, hates anything traditional, and believes in his own "self-enlightened" progressivism. I infinitely prefer gaming videos to podcasts that have this kind of idiotic bias.
Then dont watch the podcasts?
Actually I think Bruce is the least "SJW"-y.
If I where you, I'd watch other podcasts.
You're basically saying that they're entitled to be morons. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Nicholas Hurtz go look up how Adam treated gamergate
J.K. "Peds is a fascist" Rowling is 'destroying' Piers Morgan? Okay, mate...
to what Elise said at like 14 minutes, he probably meant the video of him dressing up as a Nazi was the thing that was political since he was talking about RUclips content cops (I forgot the real name)
PopcornShrimp youtube heroes
If WSJ writers lost their shit over Pewdiepie's potential or perceived racism, I wonder how they'd react to the old IG vids and a couple on this channel? Bruce, James, and Adam have all said something that border on racist in their content. Whoever wrote that article would be supremely triggered if they ever found FH/IG...
Agito Makishima Is that a threat or something? xD
That Guy What? Im no threat. I don't own a fake news machine. 😂
"RoosterTeeth cuts ties with Lawrence Sonntag over misogynistic comments towards coworker during podcast."
Lawrence becomes a supermodel level diva when sick, feel better man
59:42 Lawrence hits the nail on the head.
The only reason pewdiepie gets treated so differently (both negatively and positively) is because he's a solo act, he's just easier to vilify
My dream was to become a Funhaus first commenter, "first!" I would whisper to myself in my dreams... unfortunately I only became a successful entrepreneur.... my mother will never be proud now.
Does it make you guys worry about all of your racist, sexist and other bigoted humour? Because right now you're operating within a bubble of acceptance for that sort of behaviour, with your fans mostly being young teenage boys; they think that stuff is funny..... but has there been a conscious choice to shift your humour away from that? Because it was getting pretty rampant for a while, like 5th grade boys testing the boundaries... but I've also noticed you guys catching yourselves just before it gets too out of hand lately.
And if it has been a conscious decision, is that because you feel its a danger to sponsorships/plans for furthering your brand in the future?
BrensJoint Catching themselves before they get out of hand? Have you seen the Disney princess GTA video where they call every woman fat and Adam asks if Ariel can fight back? They definitely have not been censoring themselves recently...
AllBart yeah true.. I should have said 'more often lately' because it's definitely still happening
They've said in the past that their audience skews towards the mid to late 20's. Not teens.
AngrySmurf that's worrying.. because the maturity level is straight out of middle school... I miss the old Inside Gaming days.. I used to actually tell people about their channel... now I'm too ashamed, I only watch as a last resort when super bored... Neebs Gaming all the way these days!
WATCH THE VIDEO DIPSHIT
Just a quick off-topic comment. Good on you Lawrence. I could tell you were struggling through your sickness. Bravo for keeping up with the quality standard you guys set.
Edit: Also I had the exact same disgusted face Adam had when Lawrence was quoting the group that loves gadget.
Kudos to Funhaus for taking the time to examine the incident and consider the circumstances. Even if they didn't arrive at what you thought was the "right" conclusion, at least they took the time to try to understand the situation and make an informed judgement. As an audience that's all you can ask for.
FUnhaus and especially lawrence could you please also add more to the "death to all jews" content? Pewds also asked if they would say "subscribe to keemstar" so the "death to all jews" joke wasn't the only joke in that "order".
Edit: Also that scared pewdiepie season 2 got cancelled because of this and it didn't just affect a pewds but all of the people working on it.
While that is true, the point still stands that it's not really a tasteful joke, even with the punchline. I mean, I found it funny, but it's not something little kids and their parents would find funny or family friendly, so you can see why disney weren't happy with it
Gedgemondo :D pewdipie isn't for little kids though
Gedgemondo :D pewdipie has never been family friendly
but I would still guess a large part of his audience are kids (under 18).
Mech288 well thats there fault he has stated many times his content is not for kids
So first off, hello comment show and section. I'm getting a strong vibe that James and Elyse were the only ones to see every video put out from Pewdiepie and watched them all the way. They understand and clarify what was said or the certain situation that was being mentioned. However, our lovely dork Lawrence doesn't seem so informed. Or at least comes off like that. You mentioned the "hitler wasn't wrong" part of the video, but that wasn't from Pewds. That was another video he put in from someone else. I feel like he skimmed articles and some clips and got his info there. Also that "the image is enough context" line is gold. It's not enough context and here's an example why:
Bruce himself in one gta video was making some rather crude jokes about women and their place. Now we can take that clip of Bruce saying that joke there, which we the audience know it's a joke because we watched the video, we post that with an article of Bruce's commentary about women. Behold a shit storm. Now according to Papa Lawrence, the image and what they gave was enough context. With that we can only assume "wow Bruce is a dick to girls." Because, that's what the context given is. We all know it's not though as we can out and actually look up evidence and do research.
Btw being a dick because you're sick isn't okay dude. I mean c'mon at 34:24 the look on Adam and James' face says enough.
End of comment. Too long for the show but still I felt like putting this out there.
For Fucks Sake! For the people asking hypothetically, "What would you do if all this happened to you?" Stop it. Rooster Teeth is not Disney, the jokes Funhaus make are far more thought out and comically applied than that one particular joke Felix made and last but not least.....ROOOSTER TEEETH IS NOT DISNEEEEEY!!!!! The jokes made by Rooster Teeth (Bernie, Gus, all of AH, and more) are a million times worse than the jokes on Funhaus. Rooster Teeth wouldn't give two shits about what Wall Street Journal would have to say. Honestly, think people :[
I want to say thank you for handling the topic of PewDiePie in the media in the manner that you did. There was legitimate conversation on this cast that pointed out MANY great points. Your candor, analogies, and understanding pointed out the exact reason that when I open RUclips FunHouse is the first place I check for a freshly posted video. Keep up the good work guys... and gal.
I love how Adam is scrambling to do anything to break the tension in the air from 34:24 until 36:09. James has some pretty good crazy eye going on too when he knows the ship is going down, but the show must go on.
The media took it all out of context.
How are these guys in the comments freaking out, FunHaus even said they have a lot of parallels with Pewdiepie with pushing what's okay and not. Neither one of them are racist, they both are entertainers, the issue with Pewdiepie is he works with Disney, Funhaus is with Rooster Teeth. Rooster Teeth has never been for kids necessarily, Disney is for family and kids. In short, neither one are racist, it was a bad joke, that's it. Get over yourselves people in the comments.
Edit: I don't necessarily mean Disney is for kids 100%, but they are much more clean and family oriented than other companies. That's all I meant.
Yeah it was totally funny when funhaus made fun of whites, blacks, asians but when pewdiepie made a joke about jews that wasn't cool, I get it now thanks funhaus
The weird thing to me are people who dislike the video for their opinions even though they each have slightly different takes on the situation, they just don't feel the need to shout or argue endlessly to make sure theirs is the dominant one.
Alan Turner hi
Lawrence was my favorite before this podcast.
Lawrence was always my least favorite. Now he's even further down.
I made a succesfull childrens book series, and now every stupid thing i say will be supported by thousands of people
- jk rowling
i really don't understand why people are angry in the comments , me personally i agree with some of the things they said and a lot of other things i don't , this will never change the fact that Bruce have an awesome beard.
think about it....
I might be super triggered if they don't come down on the side of Felix on this.
But then I am a total cretin.
I've been subscribed to you guys for a while but this was the first bowl of Dude Soup I've ever experienced and I actually really liked it. Good insights combined with Funhaus' typical schtick made it worth my time. You're helping this depressed college kid stay happy. Keep up the good work guys, I love you all.
I think the reason i love this channel so much is because throughout the week I get to watch this crude humor that appeals to my sense of humor, but then once a week I get to see that the 17 year old goons I normally see are actually intelegent adults capable of thinking and forming both opinions and arguments about a wide range of topics. I just appreciate these podcasts because so often on youtube and television we see these characters people portray and we get the idea in our head that that character is actually them but with shows like these podcasts we can see another facet of some of my favorite charters, and it helps me come back to reality about the content I'm watching.
Oh boy there's a lot of salt here.
FH has seemed really on edge with each other lately. And it makes me sad.
Pewdiepie's jokes were talking out of a context for most of the article when involving pictures, clips, and quotes. WSJ has been gunning for the kid's neck for quite sometime because his name has POWER. He should've doubled down on his personal statement tho.
Lawrence, I love you bro, but you were mad hypocritical from time to time about jokes with or without context in this *bowl of Dude Soup* but you also made the fantastic point that he's under GODKING DISNEY CHRIST so the rules are different.
The issue is quite complicated, and so are the arguments & summarization. I deeply appreciate the wide spectrum of viewpoints provided in this episode on the topic.
#FuckWSJ
Why so many dislikes? I agree with what Laurence said. The joke Felix made was undoubtedly a joke, but just a tasteless one. Funhaus aren't being hypocrites, they deliver racist/edgy jokes much better than the ending to the controversial video Felix made and that's at least my opinion. If you guys don't like what Funhaus has to say on the issue and you think they are being hypocritical then either stop watching them or be sure to remind them of "their opinions" next time- or honestly , whenever they make a tasteless joke. You aren't going to stop watching them though because you need your Funhaus edgy humor fix, but just keep all this in mind before you get dislike happy.
i think the dislikes stem from Lawrence's lack of context being used throughout with his point about it being irrational for pewdiepie to think the WSJ is not going in on him, because in the WSJ video (in my opinion) the cuts make it seem like pewdiepie is crazy anti-semetic when a lot were taken out of context which was the very thing that Lawrence was emphasizing. but also its all about context from both sides and the arguments in the comments i think stem from either people without context but think they do and the people who do have all the context
Telling someone to stop watching because you disagree is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guess we don't need a rating system then right? If you don't like it, don't watch it! Only put yourself in your own bubble of videos that completely agree with you and have zero conflicting opinions! Perfect!
Shock Wire I actually agree with that as well. I guess I just wish people were more understanding to the fact that this is a podcast by people who don't focus on podcasts. Lawrence's main goal was to get to the point of the relationship of Disney and Pewdiepie being as such where regardless of the context, it wouldn't work out.
DeadPixel Disliking because of a conflicting opinion just happens to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Disliking a video is more than just a small counter statement or arguing a small point, it is dismissing an entire video as unpleasant and overall un-enjoyable. What actually makes me angry is the lack of thought that goes into the "hypocritical" statements behind the dislikes. It makes me beg the question of whether not anyone even actually did watch the fucking video.
This shit happened with H3H3 where Ethan did a video that had a small mention of something controversial and the related group got offended and disliked the entire video on that basis and then he uploaded another video mentioning the counter group and then they got offended and did the exact same thing. I wish this didn't happen, but you are right. It does happen and people can dislike for any reason.
Funhaus's biggest point here was that Pewdiepie's joke that was clearly a joke (even if tasteless) would never be accepted by Disney under any circumstance. But people wanted to get to offended and take sides that they couldn't see the main point of the video only the small portion that offended them. "Funhaus are hypocrites" is about the most retarded thing to see in the comments after watching the whole video and the idea of having a video disliked for such a stupid reason in and of itself is stupid.
But hey, that's just my opinion. Don't take it too hard buddy. All of this is just something people should think about BEFORE they dislike...not after.
I thoroughly enjoy watching dude soups with these type of topics. Seeing all of the opinions of the group of y'all talking reminded me of my friends and I when we discuss topics. For example, everyone thinks their own way but accept and respect others opinion. Love y'all and keep on keeping on.
Did the whole scandal not make you guys scared of seeing "we get it and that's it", etc. reported on out of context? I know I was.
I don't get why people keep saying the title is click bait.... they talked about the issue they addressed?
Sometimes Lawrence's arrogance can get under my skin. Love him most of the time, but as soon as he believes he's right about something, he pushes his ideas way too much. It's like he thinks he's the only one that can be logical about complex situations.
I feel like 90% of the people leaving comments saying Funhaus is being hypocritical just watched the first 10min of the show, got triggered and didn't actually listen to their arguments.
I like seeing an emotional podcast! Where they all have different opinions even if they are slightly or completely different! Comments are a tiny bit toxic but I think that was always going happen with what you are talking about. I liked this though! Thanks guys!
I feel like they didn't actually read the article that WSJ put out. Everything the the WSJ used in their article was presented with 0 context and was presented with an obvious bias against him.
You guys are missing some context on the "death to all jews" stunt as well, Pewdiepie got them to hold up the sign and say "subscribe to Keemstar". It is still undoubtedly a controversial joke but this adds a bit more depth to what would otherwise just be a tasteless reference as you said. It shows that the joke was a bit of satire in reference to the whole Keemstar racism scandal, making a sort of parody message that, out of context, would be seen as an antisemitic message on behalf of Keemstar. Ironically though, through the misconstruction of context it has been presented as evidence of Pewdiepie's own opinions.
Boy, this next Comments show should be good!
Great video, I appreciate the discussion and points you brought up. Much more level-headed than what I've heard so far. There's a lot of good jokes on this channel but if people don't watch these eps they're really missing out. I also appreciate that everyones shirts are different color schemes and makes you look like power rangers. A+ keep fighting the good fight
The knowing looks shared by Adam and James really set the tone for the video for me.
I fucking hate all the people defending PewDiePie and ripping on Funhaus. All these actions by PewDiePie and Funhaus have the intentions of being JOKES, get that through your heads. True, some of these jokes, especially from Funhaus may go to far, but having someone as big as PewDiePie to post a video with "Anti-Semitic" content. I liked Jame's point of, if you're that much of a worldwide star (working with Disney) you should take the time to think about how something in your video might have gone too far especially for multi-million amounts of viewers. Now I wonder if any of you bashing Funhaus even watched the entire video. Just my view of the issue, but I'd love to hear everyone's opinion!
Ewoksson I never said "Jew jokes aren't allowed" or "edgy jokes are allowed" so learn when to quote people properly. And the point I'm trying to get across is that PewDiePie was trying to make a joke which came across as being offensive because a viewership that doesn't typically experience his humor or behavior. So seeing something that was a dark joke on a channel that was supposed to be affiliated with Disney was shocking to people. I'm just saying that PewDiePie should have taken more consideration to what he was posting while in a contract with Disney. I recently watched his response video and have gained more respect for him, though I don't personally like his content, I think he's a good human being. Also, I don't think that Funhaus should be receiving flak for a video that thousands of other popular RUclipsrs are doing to try and actually show more in depth what is going on and their own opinion on the topic.
Horseinapool it's only "anti Semitic" if you take it out of context and the WSJ did this so blatantly its disgusting, if they would have mentioned the context and said it was "anti Semitic" anyway it would be different but reading the article from WSJ made me feel like they just hate pewdiepie and we're looking for anything to discredit him. Funhaus and especially Lawrence defending WSJ saying the "context doesn't matter" is so ridiculously hypocritical I'm surprised they could even think like that. They have literally made a video were they joke about domestic abuse for a solid 8-9 mins. There's plenty of stuff were they have "went over the line" but even the idea of "the line" is so subjective. Long story short I felt very disappointed and genuinely frustrated that funhaus didn't feel the need to defend pewdiepie for simply making a "bad joke" which a lot of people found quite funny.
Kellen McGurkin I agreed with PewDiePie in his response video where the WSJ is afraid of RUclips personalities and YT in general because they're afraid that people will leave their shit site and watch RUclips videos instead of reading articles. So I agreed with him that the WSJ was taking things out of context. Also, I meant that the joke had a "anti-Semitic" interpretation, not that it was anti-Semitic. I believe that Funhaus was saying that the context didn't matter at times because they were talking about how he should have had a mora obligation to think about what he was posting to a viewership that was outside his own, especially one in which Disney represented. I think it's sad that Disney was forced on a business side to cut ties with PewDiePie even though I don't care to watch his content. Also, Funhaus was saying that you have to look at the context of a joke to understand if it's just a joke or if it's meant to carry power behind it. For the most of the video they keep a neutral stance looking at both sides but a lot of times they support PewDiePie but still believe that he should've known what he was posting. And I didn't mean "bad joke" I thought it was quite funny attached to Keemstar's name.
Ewoksson ikr
Battleballs Don't remember hearing anything political stances of PewDiePie, Funhaus, and all the viewers of RUclips, but ok. I did say that the media is against RUclipsrs and RUclips in general because they don't like how people can gain their news from videos rather than reading their own trash articles. I do agree that the media is against "Pewds" and other RUclipsrs, just like media and general entertainment stars today, actors for example
I like James points on why Disney could be at fault for some of what just happened. In my opinion this is stupid, Pewdiepie has always had that "edgy" comedy which he states is amateur and is only targeted for the sole reason to bring in money. I don't agree with the joke he made, was tasteless especially in this political climate like Adam said. But you can't blame disney for having to leave Pewdiepie behind.
Despite what the comment section says, I like this piece. keep it up funhaus!
I absolutely love James in dude soup videos, he becomes a different person it's amazing to watch.
I wanna hear "sick-Larry" imitate Morgan Freeman.
First Ashley and now Lawrence, why are they so triggered over a joke?
You guys are all complaining about Funhaus being offensive in the past but yet you are returning and watching their content.
Exactly because their point is it's a joke and doesn't matter....
Poor Elyse in the background...
WHERE ALL WOMAN BELONG
If WSJ watched Funhaus, this channel wouldn't exist anymore.
I can't stress enough how eloquent they were in describing the issue while painting a bigger picture about our media.
One of my courses that I took in college was about the evolution of media. This quickly led to freedom of the press and the way news, as well as journalism has changed.
I remember something really cool my professor said about journalism and the media in general. It was that we need to come to an understanding that every person has a bias. People have their own agendas and at the end of the day it's about money, because that's what matters.
I think the news/media has reached a really personal level and I think that some individuals get the impression that some of the people on tv or writers for news or blog outlets are somehow more morally righteous and would never do anything wrong, whatever that may be.
What I'm personally seeing is that exaggerations, or spicy headlines, are the big thing right now. Now that we've transitioned to the internet, you would've thought that maybe journalism would be more in the citizens hands, and they could form an opinion after looking at how the media handles the situation, rather than the situation itself.
It's a complicated time for sure. TLDR: Don't be afraid to question what you read or see.
You literally say all the same jokes? Can you try to be any more hypocritical? I'm pretty sure you've made made dozens of videos ripping into women or other races
James and Bruce were on Pewd's side. Elyse and Lawrence were just saying they understood why Disney and the WSJ did what they did, whereas Adam didn't seem to understand why people made the Pewds-Disney connection. None of them were against Pewdiepie. In fact, they acknowledge all the parallels to their own content.
they acknowledge it several times actually.
Dan Lodder So Dan, if you made thoses types of you jokes, would you connect with a family friendly company like Disney?
No, right? Because its stupid.
_ Hans _ did you watch the whole podcast, he was part of branch under Disney yet they just say Disney because it's the big name plus Walt Disney was a anti Semite himself so they can't exactly say they are the perfect business
Dan Lodder Yes but its still disney. Disney doesnt see him branched, they see him as a part of their brand. The walt disney thing is exactly why they cut him. theyre trying to get away from that past stuff. I think disney is petty but you cant call funhaus hypocrites when they work for roosterteeth under freaking burnie who makes a offensive jokes on the daily
this is a confusing podcast.....
These guys throw shade whenever the chance comes up. Do I sense some workplace hostility?
This is the most sensible, honest reaction to pewdiepie yet, and I am so glad you guys did this. I'm still upset with pewdiepie, personally it was too far for me and it'll be a good long while before I'd be able to think of him without a grimace, but I recognize that this entire situation is ridiculously complicated, and you guys covered all based. Thank you so much for this.
You need a reality check.
I just recently picked up on the Dude Soup podcasts and I absolutely love them haha. Weirdly, I love to hear the members of funhaus expressing their opinions and just going over topics. It's very cool to hear them so eloquently express what they think and not just hear like 10 minute clips. Thanks FH!