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1. You come before you 2. The opposite of December 3. Tear from the red 4. The Tropic Rot 5. Versions Agree they don't get enough credit and you come before you is an absolute masterpiece front to back.
Visions and tropic rot took me forever to realize the genius of those two records. After many listenings those two are just masterpieces. But to be clear I am a poison the well fan to the core. My wifi password which I had a friend do in needle point is poison the well. Great band miss them very much.
I’m glad I found your comment. I’ve been a PTW fan since 2000 and while my music palette is very dynamic and I love experimental albums and music I never got into tropic rot or versions but I never really forced myself to listen to them from start to finish and lately as I’ve gotten older I’ve been revisiting some albums I slept on so I’m going to relisten to those albums.
@@afterstars honestly give it an honest listen straight through even as just background music. Parts will just grab you an drag you in. It has non of the usual hardcore tropes.
S+ = Tear From The Red S = The Opposite of December...A Season of Separation & You Come Before You A = The Tropic Rot A- = Versions Tear is probably my favorite album of all time, every single song is beyond bliss. Same as The Opposite of December, just not on the same level as Tear, likewise with You Come Before You. There other albums haven't grabbed me as much as their first 3. Perfect band though, easily one of my all-time fav's
Bro, thank you so much for this review and just shining more light to PTW. You’re absolutely right that they have become forgotten in the modern metal core scene like a lot of good early bands have. The genre has just changed so much and really PTW was already pushing and sitting on the boundary of it early on. I agree with so much of what you said overall for the albums, but I did find it super interesting how different our highlight songs were or at least ones mentioned as deep cuts and so on. I also really like the Distance Makes the Heart Grow Fonder EP as well, “Lost in Silence” was the first metalcore song I ever downloaded and heard off SoulSeek and it changed everything for me🙂
Yep that was it for me too. I was in some record store a long time ago and they were playing this album and I was walking around, and then Apathy came on and I finally ran to the front and said who is this? I bought the CD and that was it. That song even today sends me over the edge.
Amazing band I remember reading about them in rock sound "they are like converge meets cave in meets shai hulud".Thing I loved about them was they could tour with ANYONE due to how wide their sound was first time I saw them they were with Funeral for a friend, also seen them with the bronx, avenged sevenfold and umm lostprophets (we wont go there), also seen them with bleeding through. Great great band!
As the years go on honestly Versions might be their best record, musically and creatively it's incredibly unique and it still sounds unlike any other record in the genre
I've been a PTW fan for 18 years, and my list is very different than it used to be... As of now: 1. You Come Before You 2. Versions 3. The Opposite of December 4. Tear From The Red 5. The Tropic Rot 6. Distance Makes The Heart Grow Fonder People hate Versions, but it is such a unique album that sounds like nothing else out there.
My friends and I were instant fans of it when it released our freshman year of high school. Its hard to see it get looked over so much, it’s incredibly memorable due to how unique it is!
Aw Poison the Well. Now they bring back fond memories. The year was 2003. I was in the last few days of 10th grade when the Deftones self titled album dropped right before the school year ended. What an exciting time. The Deftones were coming to Hard Rock Live in Orlando in November and there was a band called Poison the Well that was opening for them. We had never heard of them up until then so we found some CDs to familiarize ourselves. 🤯 My god. A new world of music opened up to me. And I’m not really realizing it until now, but before this I was mostly an old school metal fan and a “NuMetal” fan. Poison the Well was my intro into a more hardcore scene and I’ve seen them a handful of times.
I remember when Opposite of December dropped everyone was loosing their shit over it and by the time Tear from the Red hit they were stupidly popular - I saw them on just before YCBY dropped and it was sold out iirc. People seem to have forgotten about them these days though, dunno if its because the more experimental stuff like Tropic Rot turned people off. Seriously amazing band and everything they put our was top notch. Sick live too.
Some solid choices here. When I first heard Tear from the red I didn't like it because it seemed softer than opposite of December and was trash talking it to the CD store clerk. A month later I loved it. Now it's one of my favorite albums ever.
Absolutely correct these guys are under appreciated when people talk about metalcore. This video makes me want to go and check out versions and tropic rot because I haven't heard anything after the first 3. You come before you is a masterpiece though and opposite is a classic too.
@MetalTrenches I know you said they may be good because of a nostalgia factor, but I'll say this, I didn't grow up listening to them, nor did I get introduced to metal through them, and yet I still love them so much, so I think they're just good in general, I actually love the spoken word stuff in their earlier albums
With some of your tier lists, I feel like we have lived the same life 😂😂 I felt entirely identical to you with regards to PTW and Converge in particular. You Come Before You is unfathomable in songwriting, form, production, and lyrics. Perfection every second.
@@MetalTrenches I'll have to look that up next. All these albums were so good at different parts of my life. As a whole, I think Versions might be their best.
This is honestly so hard. YCBY might be tied with TOOD for me. It’s just difficult. Those first three full lengths are honestly perfect. You’re right though that they’re not nearly as heavily regarded as they should be.
Since I became obsessed with this band recently, here's my ranking: #5:) Versions (2007) #4:) You Come Before You (2003) #3:) Tear From The Red (2002) #2:) The Tropic Rot (2009) #1:) The Opposite Of December...A Season Of Separation (1999)
@@MetalTrenches Oh I think it's a great album, but at times, I get a little bored with it, while Opposite of December, Tear From the Red, and Tropic Rot keep it pumping
1. Versions 2. The Tropic Rot 3. You Come Before You 4. Tear From The Red 5. Opposite of December 6. Distance Makes The Heart Grow Fonder Zero bad albums; in fact, 1-5 are five of the best albums ever written
@@MetalTrenches I would love to see an update of your ETID ranking after the new album comes out. I looked up the thing you had a gripe with Keith about, I am pretty leftist but that was a dickish move. Keith seems really kind otherwise
It was the first CD of theirs I bought. It holds a special place for me even if it’s not my favourite from them in the scope of their whole discography.
Nagaina is so great. I sing my kid Pamplemousse as a bedtime song. 1. You come before you 2. The opposite of december 3. Distance makes the heart grow fonder 4. Versions 5. Tropic rot 6. Tear from the red
Really cool video. Poison the Well has been one of the few truly originative metalcore bands in my book. Interesting to see that you ranked You Come Before You as the only S-Tier LP. I did not expect that. For me, The Opposite Of December is no doubt their defining S-Tier record. Tropic Rot and, yes, even Tear From The Red are both A-Tier. I think Tear From The Red is very good in its own right; it is just the only LP where Poison the Well have repeated themselves. Everything else is somewhere around B, even though I completely agree that B-Tier for Poison the Well is much higher than B-Tier for most other metalcore bands. Versions also features some stellar tracks.
You come before you has always been one of my favorite albums of all time. So glad I got it on red wax for my bday. The emotions in this album are so visceral. The anger in the vocals is so unmatched and the low sad points are riveting. I agree with this list totally 💯
Definitely agree with the top 2. The other 3 could swap around with each other depending on my mood. Definitely no bad album though. Part of me wants to hear them make another album, but part of me is also happy that they stopped there
Poison The Well are Titans! The most underrated band, legendary. I’ve listened to them for 20 years. Versions is my favorite album because it’s experimental and is so unique. I love Breathing’s for the Birds. Each one of their albums are special, so anyone of them could be ranked highest. We need a reunion and possibly a new album? Cannot praise this band enough.
I agree definitely don’t feel Versions and Tropic get enough respect. I actually think Tropic is the most consistent. Behind all the chaos the songwriting is awesome, so clever. Without you and one other is an absolute masterpiece
Ok so im not really into metalcore much, i stick more to death metal and black metal but man Opposite of December just fucking does it for me. I dont know if its the bleakness, or what but that album is just perfect in my eyes and makes me want to seek out more metalcore like it but I could really use some help cuz everytime i search for more metalcore im always put off by what i hear and revert back to my usual genre fare instead. Does anyone have any recommendations, i know Opposite is considered a landmark album and super influential in the genre so I would really like to hear more stuff in the same vein, as opposed to the standard mtv emo kid bs that the genre unfortunately became associated with years ago.
I know this comment is a year old, but no-one has given you any suggestions so I thought I'd offer some... Hopesfall (up to and including 'the satellite years') Check out 'No Wings To Speak Of' EP especially. Breach - It's Me God Hugely influential band from the 90s. I would argue they changed the direction of heavy music, especially post-hardcore and metalcore. Everybody wanted to sound like Breach after this album. I think that Poison the Well even used the same engineer / studio so they could get a similar sound for 'The Tropic Rot'. There is no clean singing on this thing, and it's very abrasive. They are not mentioned enough when people talk about this genre, for sure. Will Haven - El Diablo, WHVN, Carpe Diem, but most of their albums are solid. They're not really a metalcore band, but they have some similar 'vibes' to bands like Poison the Well, but darker. Again, no clean singing but their vocalist, Grady, has an absolutely insane voice. One of the best aggressive screaming styles in all of metal as a whole, in my opinion. Shai Hulud - Hearts Once Nourished... their album from 97 was really influential, and I think it still sounds excellent today. Some random honourable mentions: Snapcase, Deadguy, Bane, Earth Crisis, Eighteen Visions, Coalesce, Unsane, Botch, Converge (obviously, everybody knows them). Hopefully there's something new for you there...
The comment before gives some really good suggestions. I would add Zao to this. Maybe start with "Fear is what keeps us here" since it is basically black metal disguised as metalcore.
I guess I fully agree. Maybe I'd put The Tropic Rot one rank above tho. Really an amazing album. Just as you PTW has been my main band/entry point for metalcore music. Then I discovered Envy and went on loving post-hardcore/screamo even more, so put PTW aside a little bit. But I'm still listening PTW at least two or three times a month LOL. + It's inspiring music, makes you want to take the guitar and record some shit.
they're a weird band for me because I like what I've heard, but I didn't listen to them for a long time, and I'm actually getting into all their stuff now because I've started listening to a cd of there's I've had for like 20 years
Opposite Of December will always be top for me but all of their albums are great in their own way. I agree, TFTR is their weakest record and the one I listen to the least. I also hated “Versions” when it first came out but man, took a few years but I love that album now. Tropic Rot is great too. Have you heard their I/II/III EP? All consist of b-sides from the Versions sessions and actually is better than the album in my opinion.
How about a boy sets fire ranking? This video triggered my memorynof them, as you come before you and after the eilogy were probably the two biggest pre-metalcore metalcore albs i remember from this time.
I’ve been wanting to but the reality is that they are pretty one of a kind. I don’t come across many bands that sound much like them. More often it’s bands with a KSE or AILD thing going on.
@@MetalTrenches It's because they're wrongly identified as metalcore in the first place and that's likely why no one brings them up in your example - they don't have much in common with those bands. If you want to find bands like them look at post-hardcore and screamo. They're far closer in sound, style and approach to Orchid (with their EP and debut) and later Glassjaw (later albums) and at times, Deftones, as you stated, than either of those two bands, or bands like them. I'm always going to hammer this point. In terms of sound, approach and aesthetics, they're not metalcore, they're a post-hardcore band.
@@krisnaylor I concede that they are not really "metalcore" which is why I avoided that term in the review, but to say they have nothing in common with those bands is just wrong. There's a reason why Sam Carter is a guest on the album. The influences are clear. Honestly I wouldn't call them post-hardcore either though. That's more like Touche Amore.
One of the greatest punk bands of all time. Imo, the Metalcore label they were stuck with is terrible, it was never consistent, they're a punk band, with Opposite of December being far closer to Screamo and drawing inspiration from punk bands like the softer side of Amebix. There's honestly not much metal there; even the chugging riffs where beng used by Hardcore bands at the time. Maybe it's because I wasn't cognisant of hardcore in the 90s, but as someone who was a teenager in the 00s, metalcore was always associated with bands like Trivium with clearly had a thrash or Gothernberg influence and a metal aesthetic. I never understood the conflation, in what world is Opposite of December the same overall genre as Ascendacny or City of Evil. You Come Before You and onwards, had a completely different style, and again I'd never call it metalcore, instead being experimental post-hardcore like what Glassjaw became in the late 00s. I could even here a twangy country influence in Versions, they were playing around with the foundation set on You Come Before You. The difference between Opposite of December and later albums is largely seen in the guitar work which moves away the types of modes that were used on the first. This is why people didn't like it, it's the exact same thing that happened with Alexisonfire, they went away from the modes they were playing in on their debut and started to resemble more of a hardcore band in sound. There's a difference in production styles and aesthetic approach but it largely comes down to the guitarists being pulled towards different interval patterns. Opposite of Decemember and You Come Before You are all-time great, Versions is decent, never liked Tear from the Red and think is Tropic Rot is god-awful but that's just my opinion. Glad to hear people still talking about them.
One of my all time fav's. I actually have an interview with Chris Hornbrook on here. If you know the early history of metalcore in the late 90's with the likes of Zao, Earth Crisis, Converge, etc. that WAS what metalcore was in the early days. It just evolved later on into more of the popular KSE style. I have a hard time calling them punk, although of course those bands were all influenced heavily by the hardcore scene. This is still metalcore, it's just the earliest version. Honestly the "hardcore kids" get mad if you call this hardcore cuz to them that's stuff like Black Flag. It's kind of like how death metal includes all sorts of different sounding bands that represent different eras regions, etc.
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1. You come before you
2. The opposite of December
3. Tear from the red
4. The Tropic Rot
5. Versions
Agree they don't get enough credit and you come before you is an absolute masterpiece front to back.
I’d switch 1 and 2 personally but besides that my order as well.
You Come Before You is GOD TIER.
THE GOAT
Their finest. I agree. Best songs. Best flow from track to track.
Visions and tropic rot took me forever to realize the genius of those two records. After many listenings those two are just masterpieces. But to be clear I am a poison the well fan to the core. My wifi password which I had a friend do in needle point is poison the well. Great band miss them very much.
I’m glad I found your comment. I’ve been a PTW fan since 2000 and while my music palette is very dynamic and I love experimental albums and music I never got into tropic rot or versions but I never really forced myself to listen to them from start to finish and lately as I’ve gotten older I’ve been revisiting some albums I slept on so I’m going to relisten to those albums.
@@afterstars honestly give it an honest listen straight through even as just background music. Parts will just grab you an drag you in. It has non of the usual hardcore tropes.
S+ = Tear From The Red
S = The Opposite of December...A Season of Separation & You Come Before You
A = The Tropic Rot
A- = Versions
Tear is probably my favorite album of all time, every single song is beyond bliss. Same as The Opposite of December, just not on the same level as Tear, likewise with You Come Before You. There other albums haven't grabbed me as much as their first 3. Perfect band though, easily one of my all-time fav's
Agree I’ll put the third album S tier but your list is perfect besides that
Tear from the Red was awfully low on his ranking. While Opposite of December is my favorite, there’s almost no gap between the first 3 for me.
Bro, thank you so much for this review and just shining more light to PTW. You’re absolutely right that they have become forgotten in the modern metal core scene like a lot of good early bands have. The genre has just changed so much and really PTW was already pushing and sitting on the boundary of it early on. I agree with so much of what you said overall for the albums, but I did find it super interesting how different our highlight songs were or at least ones mentioned as deep cuts and so on. I also really like the Distance Makes the Heart Grow Fonder EP as well, “Lost in Silence” was the first metalcore song I ever downloaded and heard off SoulSeek and it changed everything for me🙂
One of my all time fav's. Be sure to check out my interview with Chris as well.
The song that did it for me was apathy is a cold body, that sent me into a well of poison….man that song is so dynamic and melodic, wet dirty and dark
Yep that was it for me too. I was in some record store a long time ago and they were playing this album and I was walking around, and then Apathy came on and I finally ran to the front and said who is this? I bought the CD and that was it. That song even today sends me over the edge.
The Tropic Rot never gets the love it deserves. There's some absolutely monster songs on that album, even if overall it doesn't touch YCBY
Amazing band I remember reading about them in rock sound "they are like converge meets cave in meets shai hulud".Thing I loved about them was they could tour with ANYONE due to how wide their sound was first time I saw them they were with Funeral for a friend, also seen them with the bronx, avenged sevenfold and umm lostprophets (we wont go there), also seen them with bleeding through. Great great band!
One of my favorites. Maybe check out the interview I did with Chris Hornbrook.
As the years go on honestly Versions might be their best record, musically and creatively it's incredibly unique and it still sounds unlike any other record in the genre
1. December
2.YCBY
3.TFTR
4. Versions
5. Tropic
You can’t go wrong with them though and any of the top three could be interchangeable IMO
I feel the same. Opposite of December is my favorite, but the first 3 are almost interchangeable for me.
I've been a PTW fan for 18 years, and my list is very different than it used to be...
As of now:
1. You Come Before You
2. Versions
3. The Opposite of December
4. Tear From The Red
5. The Tropic Rot
6. Distance Makes The Heart Grow Fonder
People hate Versions, but it is such a unique album that sounds like nothing else out there.
My friends and I were instant fans of it when it released our freshman year of high school. Its hard to see it get looked over so much, it’s incredibly memorable due to how unique it is!
No way you put DMTHGF at the bottom
Aw Poison the Well. Now they bring back fond memories.
The year was 2003. I was in the last few days of 10th grade when the Deftones self titled album dropped right before the school year ended. What an exciting time.
The Deftones were coming to Hard Rock Live in Orlando in November and there was a band called Poison the Well that was opening for them. We had never heard of them up until then so we found some CDs to familiarize ourselves.
🤯 My god. A new world of music opened up to me. And I’m not really realizing it until now, but before this I was mostly an old school metal fan and a “NuMetal” fan. Poison the Well was my intro into a more hardcore scene and I’ve seen them a handful of times.
You come before You
Tear from the Red
Opposite of December
Versions
Tropic Rot
I remember when Opposite of December dropped everyone was loosing their shit over it and by the time Tear from the Red hit they were stupidly popular - I saw them on just before YCBY dropped and it was sold out iirc. People seem to have forgotten about them these days though, dunno if its because the more experimental stuff like Tropic Rot turned people off. Seriously amazing band and everything they put our was top notch. Sick live too.
Some solid choices here. When I first heard Tear from the red I didn't like it because it seemed softer than opposite of December and was trash talking it to the CD store clerk. A month later I loved it. Now it's one of my favorite albums ever.
1. You come before you
2. The Tropic Rot
3. The opposite of December
4. Tear from the red
5. Versions
Absolutely correct these guys are under appreciated when people talk about metalcore.
This video makes me want to go and check out versions and tropic rot because I haven't heard anything after the first 3.
You come before you is a masterpiece though and opposite is a classic too.
Yeah check out the later stuff it's all good
@MetalTrenches I know you said they may be good because of a nostalgia factor, but I'll say this, I didn't grow up listening to them, nor did I get introduced to metal through them, and yet I still love them so much, so I think they're just good in general, I actually love the spoken word stuff in their earlier albums
With some of your tier lists, I feel like we have lived the same life 😂😂 I felt entirely identical to you with regards to PTW and Converge in particular. You Come Before You is unfathomable in songwriting, form, production, and lyrics. Perfection every second.
I would only switch Tear and Tropic, but I agree there is no bad PTW album
Hell yea Bro! YCBY absolutely blew my mind. I'm going to the Jan 19th show where they're playing it in its entirety. I can't wait!!!
I went to the 1/5 show its great you won’t be disappointed
Wow never saw this. Looking forward to seeing your picks.
One of my all time favorites. Have an interview with Chris too.
@@MetalTrenches I'll have to look that up next. All these albums were so good at different parts of my life. As a whole, I think Versions might be their best.
This is honestly so hard. YCBY might be tied with TOOD for me. It’s just difficult. Those first three full lengths are honestly perfect.
You’re right though that they’re not nearly as heavily regarded as they should be.
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Since I became obsessed with this band recently, here's my ranking:
#5:) Versions (2007)
#4:) You Come Before You (2003)
#3:) Tear From The Red (2002)
#2:) The Tropic Rot (2009)
#1:) The Opposite Of December...A Season Of Separation (1999)
You go sit in the corner and relisten to YCBY until it is #1 😂 Naw jk welcome to the fold!
@@MetalTrenches Oh I think it's a great album, but at times, I get a little bored with it, while Opposite of December, Tear From the Red, and Tropic Rot keep it pumping
1. Versions
2. The Tropic Rot
3. You Come Before You
4. Tear From The Red
5. Opposite of December
6. Distance Makes The Heart Grow Fonder
Zero bad albums; in fact, 1-5 are five of the best albums ever written
I don’t think I have ever clicked on a notification faster.
lol for good reason. Love these guys, and Chris is just the coolest to talk to.
@@MetalTrenches I would love to see an update of your ETID ranking after the new album comes out. I looked up the thing you had a gripe with Keith about, I am pretty leftist but that was a dickish move. Keith seems really kind otherwise
@@tpags7398 Yeah man. A bridge too far. And yes, that is HIGH on my list for this year.
Versions is criminally underrated
For me (I included the EP’s too):
TFTR
YCBY
Versions
Tropic
OOD
I/II/III
Distance makes
Always happy to see people still commenting on this video. Such an under-respected band.
Tear From the Red is still pretty great and holds up well (no pun intended)!
It was the first CD of theirs I bought. It holds a special place for me even if it’s not my favourite from them in the scope of their whole discography.
I think I broke my cd copy of Versions. Its not their best but I was overjoyed for their return.
Are you into The Bled, I feel they are similar, talented band, vastly underrated
Found In The Flood and Pass The Flask are so good
@@MetalTrenches heat fetish slaps too.
Agree 100% on You Come Before You. I remember people hating it at the time. I never understood it.
They were bad ass live too. Wish they'd make another album. Tropic Rot is very underrated, some of their best songs on that album.
Nagaina is so great. I sing my kid Pamplemousse as a bedtime song.
1. You come before you
2. The opposite of december
3. Distance makes the heart grow fonder
4. Versions
5. Tropic rot
6. Tear from the red
The Opposite of December should be S-tier, IMO. Along with Vision of Disorder’s Imprint, that album basically kicked off melodic metalcore.
Really cool video. Poison the Well has been one of the few truly originative metalcore bands in my book. Interesting to see that you ranked You Come Before You as the only S-Tier LP. I did not expect that. For me, The Opposite Of December is no doubt their defining S-Tier record. Tropic Rot and, yes, even Tear From The Red are both A-Tier. I think Tear From The Red is very good in its own right; it is just the only LP where Poison the Well have repeated themselves. Everything else is somewhere around B, even though I completely agree that B-Tier for Poison the Well is much higher than B-Tier for most other metalcore bands. Versions also features some stellar tracks.
Thanks. Yeah it’s just by a very small margin.
You come before you has always been one of my favorite albums of all time. So glad I got it on red wax for my bday. The emotions in this album are so visceral. The anger in the vocals is so unmatched and the low sad points are riveting. I agree with this list totally 💯
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Definitely agree with the top 2. The other 3 could swap around with each other depending on my mood. Definitely no bad album though. Part of me wants to hear them make another album, but part of me is also happy that they stopped there
Poison The Well are Titans! The most underrated band, legendary. I’ve listened to them for 20 years. Versions is my favorite album because it’s experimental and is so unique. I love Breathing’s for the Birds. Each one of their albums are special, so anyone of them could be ranked highest. We need a reunion and possibly a new album? Cannot praise this band enough.
Agreed. Check out my interview with Chris. Unfortunately he was pretty adamant that a reunion will not be happening.
@@MetalTrenches they’re back now though right?
I agree definitely don’t feel Versions and Tropic get enough respect. I actually think Tropic is the most consistent. Behind all the chaos the songwriting is awesome, so clever. Without you and one other is an absolute masterpiece
@@dedaelus Unfortunately no
@@MetalTrenches they’re on the bill for furnace fest i noticed yesterday which was a nice shock
Ok so im not really into metalcore much, i stick more to death metal and black metal but man Opposite of December just fucking does it for me. I dont know if its the bleakness, or what but that album is just perfect in my eyes and makes me want to seek out more metalcore like it but I could really use some help cuz everytime i search for more metalcore im always put off by what i hear and revert back to my usual genre fare instead. Does anyone have any recommendations, i know Opposite is considered a landmark album and super influential in the genre so I would really like to hear more stuff in the same vein, as opposed to the standard mtv emo kid bs that the genre unfortunately became associated with years ago.
100%
I know this comment is a year old, but no-one has given you any suggestions so I thought I'd offer some...
Hopesfall (up to and including 'the satellite years') Check out 'No Wings To Speak Of' EP especially.
Breach - It's Me God
Hugely influential band from the 90s. I would argue they changed the direction of heavy music, especially post-hardcore and metalcore. Everybody wanted to sound like Breach after this album. I think that Poison the Well even used the same engineer / studio so they could get a similar sound for 'The Tropic Rot'. There is no clean singing on this thing, and it's very abrasive. They are not mentioned enough when people talk about this genre, for sure.
Will Haven - El Diablo, WHVN, Carpe Diem, but most of their albums are solid. They're not really a metalcore band, but they have some similar 'vibes' to bands like Poison the Well, but darker. Again, no clean singing but their vocalist, Grady, has an absolutely insane voice. One of the best aggressive screaming styles in all of metal as a whole, in my opinion.
Shai Hulud - Hearts Once Nourished... their album from 97 was really influential, and I think it still sounds excellent today.
Some random honourable mentions:
Snapcase, Deadguy, Bane, Earth Crisis, Eighteen Visions, Coalesce, Unsane, Botch, Converge (obviously, everybody knows them).
Hopefully there's something new for you there...
The comment before gives some really good suggestions. I would add Zao to this. Maybe start with "Fear is what keeps us here" since it is basically black metal disguised as metalcore.
Opposite of December is one of the best albums of all time. Period.
I think a PTW x Murder By Death Collab album would go HARD AF
The Tropic Rot has no fillers!
I guess I fully agree. Maybe I'd put The Tropic Rot one rank above tho. Really an amazing album. Just as you PTW has been my main band/entry point for metalcore music. Then I discovered Envy and went on loving post-hardcore/screamo even more, so put PTW aside a little bit. But I'm still listening PTW at least two or three times a month LOL. + It's inspiring music, makes you want to take the guitar and record some shit.
they're a weird band for me because I like what I've heard, but I didn't listen to them for a long time, and I'm actually getting into all their stuff now because I've started listening to a cd of there's I've had for like 20 years
For me the longer their records are the more they drag a bit, which is why ATFTR is my favorite. Tropic Rot is pretty good though
Miss this band so much !!! no shai hulud review ?
Maybe at some point
@@MetalTrenches hell yeah
Honestly I do not play lots of Poison the Well but when I do I get reminded of how good they were.
Yeah man they kinda get slept on. Low key legends
Disagree on TFTR. But, that's my nostalgia talking as it was the first album I heard so I give it so much forgiveness.
I mean there's not a bad album here so it's all good.
Opposite Of December will always be top for me but all of their albums are great in their own way. I agree, TFTR is their weakest record and the one I listen to the least. I also hated “Versions” when it first came out but man, took a few years but I love that album now. Tropic Rot is great too. Have you heard their I/II/III EP? All consist of b-sides from the Versions sessions and actually is better than the album in my opinion.
Actually after all of these years I don’t think I have. I’ll have to check it out.
Pamplemousse is such a bad ass song. One of my top 3 PTW songs ever. So sick. Also the drums on Cinema, bad as fuck.
Thank you for this
Always a pleasure to talk PTW
How about a boy sets fire ranking? This video triggered my memorynof them, as you come before you and after the eilogy were probably the two biggest pre-metalcore metalcore albs i remember from this time.
Very underrated. Can’t go with them!
Horns and tails, man. Horns and tails.
The song writing definitely changed a lot once Derek Miller left the band. Still great though!
My favorite album from them is tropic rot, such a unique sound. Underrated band
A Bands like poison the well would be nice
I’ve been wanting to but the reality is that they are pretty one of a kind. I don’t come across many bands that sound much like them. More often it’s bands with a KSE or AILD thing going on.
@@MetalTrenches It's because they're wrongly identified as metalcore in the first place and that's likely why no one brings them up in your example - they don't have much in common with those bands.
If you want to find bands like them look at post-hardcore and screamo. They're far closer in sound, style and approach to Orchid (with their EP and debut) and later Glassjaw (later albums) and at times, Deftones, as you stated, than either of those two bands, or bands like them.
I'm always going to hammer this point. In terms of sound, approach and aesthetics, they're not metalcore, they're a post-hardcore band.
@@krisnaylor I concede that they are not really "metalcore" which is why I avoided that term in the review, but to say they have nothing in common with those bands is just wrong. There's a reason why Sam Carter is a guest on the album. The influences are clear. Honestly I wouldn't call them post-hardcore either though. That's more like Touche Amore.
Spoken word? These guys cream modern artists still
POISON THE WELL
Nuff said 🤘🏻
Host sings like a bird too🐦 🐦⬛ ✨️
You just added a sub poison the well is the best
They truly were
Tear from the red is S tier for me
You forgot their 1st album bro
@@craiggolias7 that was an EP, bro
I feel Poison the well never was so risky. Cave in was more experimental and diverse
Cave in were so far ahead of the scene, I don’t think people were ready for it
While not as experimental as cave in. Tropic rot is super out there.
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One of the greatest punk bands of all time. Imo, the Metalcore label they were stuck with is terrible, it was never consistent, they're a punk band, with Opposite of December being far closer to Screamo and drawing inspiration from punk bands like the softer side of Amebix. There's honestly not much metal there; even the chugging riffs where beng used by Hardcore bands at the time.
Maybe it's because I wasn't cognisant of hardcore in the 90s, but as someone who was a teenager in the 00s, metalcore was always associated with bands like Trivium with clearly had a thrash or Gothernberg influence and a metal aesthetic. I never understood the conflation, in what world is Opposite of December the same overall genre as Ascendacny or City of Evil.
You Come Before You and onwards, had a completely different style, and again I'd never call it metalcore, instead being experimental post-hardcore like what Glassjaw became in the late 00s. I could even here a twangy country influence in Versions, they were playing around with the foundation set on You Come Before You.
The difference between Opposite of December and later albums is largely seen in the guitar work which moves away the types of modes that were used on the first. This is why people didn't like it, it's the exact same thing that happened with Alexisonfire, they went away from the modes they were playing in on their debut and started to resemble more of a hardcore band in sound. There's a difference in production styles and aesthetic approach but it largely comes down to the guitarists being pulled towards different interval patterns.
Opposite of Decemember and You Come Before You are all-time great, Versions is decent, never liked Tear from the Red and think is Tropic Rot is god-awful but that's just my opinion. Glad to hear people still talking about them.
One of my all time fav's. I actually have an interview with Chris Hornbrook on here. If you know the early history of metalcore in the late 90's with the likes of Zao, Earth Crisis, Converge, etc. that WAS what metalcore was in the early days. It just evolved later on into more of the popular KSE style. I have a hard time calling them punk, although of course those bands were all influenced heavily by the hardcore scene. This is still metalcore, it's just the earliest version. Honestly the "hardcore kids" get mad if you call this hardcore cuz to them that's stuff like Black Flag. It's kind of like how death metal includes all sorts of different sounding bands that represent different eras regions, etc.
The 1st 2 were the best
You Come Before You is a masterpiece though