The moment I saw that on Sora's stream (and how quickly Vivi switched when she realized) I knew she'd be worried about it. Even though it was just as obvious Sora loved it. 😂
It still boggles my mind that it took most of Hololive literally years to realize that Sora prefers being treated as an equal instead of some kind of saint. Just look at Iofi: she treats Sora as casually as can be and they get along wonderfully.
Hololive being such a tight-knit group was something that developed over time. (For example, the first time Gen 2 had their first full gen collab was TWO YEARS after their debuts) It’s only after Gamers/Gen 3 that they started to emphasize internal groups interaction albeit it’s not as though the girls only stayed on their own lane.
her seniority titles hella huge to be ignored by japanese culture she's THAT senpai who basically one of the kick creator of your national/international recognized brand name company you're in
A lot of people are quick to chime in that Sora prefers not to be held on a pedestal but the girls are aware, a lot of them have the same feeling in regards to their own kouhai and some of them will say so to said kouhai. It's a deeply ingrained cultural thing and it's probably why someone like Iofi was able to bond with Sora the way she did.
Sora's playfulness really comes out too when people act normally around her. Like what Marine said, in HoloGTA, some members casted aside her daisenpai status and we got her pole dancing with the cabaret gitls, running from the cops with Aki and then with the entire gang later on, and even wiggling her butt for Korone. Also, great catch, Kiriku. Vivi really did say "Takino Sora".
They think it's whatever if Vivi said it to someone like Towa Matsuri or even Fubuki, they didn't expect she say that to someone like Sora 😂 the King herself
Many Hololive members treat Sora like a goddess until they feel Shy when meeting Sora, but Sora actually prefers if other members treat Sora like a close friend, that's why Sora can be close to Yopi who talks to Sora not as Senpai - Kohai but a close friend
First time Lui did a collab with her it was an off collab at Choco's place. It was also sora's first off collab ever. Lui was apparently very very intimidated, despite the fact that Lui is educated, well travelled and quite skilled in her own right. You listen to her talk and not just the sound of her voice but the way she speaks you know she has her shit together
The reaction of newbies when interacting with Sora never loses its charm lol, I know that most people think that they should treat Sora 100% like the other girls, but personally I don't think it's bad at all, and I think it will never be like that, not completely, respect and admiration don't have an on and off button, this reaction, especially in the youngest, is completely natural and says a lot about the figure that Sora represents for them.
Sora is an S, just ask A-Chan but Marine’s assessment is correct she does welcome people being informal towards her since well…Sora doesn’t really care too much about title of being the Daisenpai she wants to just be friends with everyone.
This topic already born for years ago actually, Sora it self saying she afraid to make other's member's scared or something because of her.. that's why she's hard to get closer with the other's, she didn't want to treated like "A god" or something... and some of members said the same thing.. "Sora was a huge senpai (Dai-senpai) she was the first person who make Hololive alive, because of her we all here, she was the goddess who make the foundation for us" that's why all talent's was trully respect her even Holostars.. but in other's side some of em also confuse how to get close with sora, afraid to said a wrong word, or else.. marine was one of the person who also break that wall after 3-4 years she debut 😂In GTA she treat her like a junior and funny is she was right, they look so close together with it.. that make me glad Sora treat same with other's too from marine.
@@Narukami17 Sadly this is really Sora's fault for being stand offish and her being brought up very traditionally. The rest of the girls treated her as a seperate entity that they don't know too well. That said she is letting loose more and more, especially now that she is an adult. Her "rapper clothing" aka hoodie and baseball cap was a part of that as is the GTA roleplay. It helps the others connect with her a bit more personally. Same with that song, she, suisei, Azki, Calli, and Irys did that had moaning in it. She claimed she didn't know the lyrics, also none of the other girls said they did the moaning and most said they didn't know who did, so I assume that means she did it. Recently, she and Raden actually went to an opera in Tokyo
2:21 Vivi want to be able to call sora with "Sora chan" like what marine did? And FYI Marine can call her "Sora-Chan" was need 3-4 year.🗿 she's been close with Sora was from near stream before GTA and getting more closer on GTA because she was together with her for a weeks, There's a time she got ask why she not close with sora a years ago she said "Blame the management! they make a talent that really hard to get close with!" it refer about the management is like want to avoid these two in one frame 🤣but Sora actually want to get closer with marine, From begining Sora actually didn't want to get treat like "A god" or something, that make her said on kabakura Miko stream gen 0 "in these years, actually i also want to be close with you.. i even okay with a lewd jokes, But why you not come to talk to me marine?" Even with Azki too, She close with Azki and called her AzkiChi was need a years too! XD from Puyo" tournament when she win the tournament even beat the Hidden boss Sui (But saddly she got real backslash from other's fans antis because of she's to strong, after all her hardwork 😔) in that stream actually suisei have a stream about teach Azki to play puyo".. and Sui have a urgent things that can't do the collab and she remember she got beat by marine at practice and choose marine to change her to teach Azki, that's why Marine close wit Azki from that and GTA also bring 2 Goddess from hololive live with marine for a week together! 😂maybe the management will hate it, but in other's side im glad marine can be that close with these two, after years! :' (
I also know Sora wants to be treated like that. It’s weird to say this but she really tries to fit in with others but everyone sees her as a great senpai you shouldn’t defy. Like lewd jokes the members make. No one does it with her. Ya it makes me feel sad she’s left out but what marine said is what have been feeling since the beginning. When I saw the clip of her saying “I wanted senpai’s too” it made me kinda sad. The only person who treats her as a member is iofi. That Christmas event also she tried really hard but everyone treats her like a god who you shouldn’t disrespect. Even Suisei or Miko or matsuri are all big top senpai but no they treatment very different
This topic already born for years ago actually, even when sora got asked "who is her senpai then?" sora in sec saying "Kizuna ai chan!" Sora it self saying she afraid to make other's member's scared or something because of her.. that's why she's hard to get closer with the other's, she didn't want to treated like "A god" or something... and some of members said the same thing.. "Sora was a huge senpai (Dai-senpai) she was the first person who make Hololive alive, because of her we all here, she was the goddess who make the foundation for us" that's why all talent's was trully respect her even Holostars.. i can't blame that tho, but in other's side some of em also confuse how to get close with sora, afraid to said a wrong word, or else, even marine was scared to say a lewd jokes on her or something.. but glad she was okay with it and already close with her. funny is? Marine was way close with The Goddess of NIji, or Sora ver from NIji, Mito rather than with Sora it self 😂
@@Narukami17 Thing is Mito is the Daisempai for Niji and she isn't treated the same way at all. it comes down to Sora's personality and decision to be seperate. Had she decided to be forward and friendly and not stand offish and told the girls to be less formal cause after all she was a highschool girl and she should be calling them senpai.
Sora wants to be treated like the other girls but most of them are worried about possible disrespect in her direction. Basically they all treat her with kid gloves and I think it makes her feel lonely, in a way. I see her reactions at times like she is anticipating something that doesn’t show up. Don’t get me wrong, she isn’t angry, just probably feels a bit left out.
I know they're joking for the content, but at the same time I really wonder if they don't realize that Sora just wants to be spoken to casually like everyone else
They do, but I think they are kind of hardwired to Japanese curtesy tradition where you must treat the most senior member of the workplace with the upmost respect.
Sora is WAY too senior to overcome years and years of manual programming from their culture, at least not immediately. She's pretty good at getting where she wants eventually but she has to collab with them before the other person gains the comfort to start speaking less formally (and some just don't, period). Most of the other Hololive OGs are easy enough for people to overcome junior/senior with but someone who is the literal foundation of the company? That takes a lot of time.
this topic already born for years ago actually, Sora it self saying she afraid to make other's member's scared or something because of her.. that's why she's hard to get closer with the other's, she didn't want to treated like "A god" or something... and some of members said the same thing.. "Sora was a huge senpai (Dai-senpai) she was the first person who make Hololive alive, because of her we all here, she was the goddess who make the foundation for us" that's why all talent's was trully respect her even Holostars.. but in other's side some of em also confuse how to get close with sora, afraid to said a wrong word, or else, even marine was scared to say a lewd jokes on her or something.. but glad she was okay with it and already close with her. funny is? Marine was way close with The Goddess of NIji, or Sora ver from NIji, Mito rather than with Sora it self 😂
I checked the original stream and i dont know japanese but i just know the others were so hilarious man. Its a literal yuri fest over there go check the stream out if you havent amd thank you for subbing this. Had me laughing out loud 😂
@jackhoward8 oh absolutely. Basically Riona confesses she used to have a crush on Niko but she's trying to erase those feelings and Niko likes dependable oneesan like chihaya but she finds vivi cute but Vivi is like a wall and will never return the love. Marines's reaction is amazing and hilarious dude
The moment I saw that on Sora's stream (and how quickly Vivi switched when she realized) I knew she'd be worried about it. Even though it was just as obvious Sora loved it. 😂
It still boggles my mind that it took most of Hololive literally years to realize that Sora prefers being treated as an equal instead of some kind of saint. Just look at Iofi: she treats Sora as casually as can be and they get along wonderfully.
The senior culture is strong japanese..
Even if you're older, you still require to give respect towards your younger senior
Tbf, Sora senpai/ senior aura just too strong, even when she not intentionally trying too
Hololive being such a tight-knit group was something that developed over time. (For example, the first time Gen 2 had their first full gen collab was TWO YEARS after their debuts) It’s only after Gamers/Gen 3 that they started to emphasize internal groups interaction albeit it’s not as though the girls only stayed on their own lane.
her seniority titles hella huge to be ignored by japanese culture
she's THAT senpai who basically one of the kick creator of your national/international recognized brand name company you're in
The senpai aura is very strong
Sora just wants to be included in the shenanigans~
She wants to instigate shenanigans given the opportunity, the GTA roleplay thing of her being a pole dancer was one of those.
I have the feeling that still a lot of members think of her as a seiso god-like figure.
Just within a couple of weeks, Vivi has already learned she's accidently joined a comedian group. :P
Looking at Sister Noel respectfully 😮
Amen🙏
A lot of people are quick to chime in that Sora prefers not to be held on a pedestal but the girls are aware, a lot of them have the same feeling in regards to their own kouhai and some of them will say so to said kouhai. It's a deeply ingrained cultural thing and it's probably why someone like Iofi was able to bond with Sora the way she did.
It also helps that iofi is Indonesian and they don't do any such honourifics thus it;s easier for her to slide by the customs.
Subaru : "OMAEEE!!!"
I'm think Vivi is confessing this to the wrong people lol
Anyone confessing anything to this group are confessing to the wrong people.
2:35 There we go. Embrace it.
Sora's playfulness really comes out too when people act normally around her. Like what Marine said, in HoloGTA, some members casted aside her daisenpai status and we got her pole dancing with the cabaret gitls, running from the cops with Aki and then with the entire gang later on, and even wiggling her butt for Korone.
Also, great catch, Kiriku. Vivi really did say "Takino Sora".
They think it's whatever if Vivi said it to someone like Towa Matsuri or even Fubuki, they didn't expect she say that to someone like Sora 😂 the King herself
Idol ❌
Comedian ✅
This shows how much level respect they have of 'honor n respect'
on this kind of topics, Marine is so accurate, i remembered her talk with subaru
Many Hololive members treat Sora like a goddess until they feel Shy when meeting Sora, but Sora actually prefers if other members treat Sora like a close friend, that's why Sora can be close to Yopi who talks to Sora not as Senpai - Kohai but a close friend
First time Lui did a collab with her it was an off collab at Choco's place. It was also sora's first off collab ever. Lui was apparently very very intimidated, despite the fact that Lui is educated, well travelled and quite skilled in her own right. You listen to her talk and not just the sound of her voice but the way she speaks you know she has her shit together
Love the reverence they all have for Sora XD
Marine demonstrating once again her unerring insight into her close coworkers.
"Takino Sora?"
Did she really say Takino Sora? lmao
Sofa-chan - respect, founder, the first Holomem
Yagoo - Am I a joke to you?
🤣
Sora also just wants to be treated equally 🙏
Vivi is comedian 100%
are you a comedian?
-3rd gen comedian
There are a lot of weird etiquette rules in Japanese, but the lines at least seem more clear cut than the etiquette rules in English
The reaction of newbies when interacting with Sora never loses its charm lol, I know that most people think that they should treat Sora 100% like the other girls, but personally I don't think it's bad at all, and I think it will never be like that, not completely, respect and admiration don't have an on and off button, this reaction, especially in the youngest, is completely natural and says a lot about the figure that Sora represents for them.
Especially in Japan with their culture of honourifics and respect.
at least she didnt get the "ja teke da ne", but still 💀
Marine knows
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Sora is an S, just ask A-Chan
but Marine’s assessment is correct she does welcome people being informal towards her since well…Sora doesn’t really care too much about title of being the Daisenpai she wants to just be friends with everyone.
This topic already born for years ago actually, Sora it self saying she afraid to make other's member's scared or something because of her.. that's why she's hard to get closer with the other's, she didn't want to treated like "A god" or something... and some of members said the same thing.. "Sora was a huge senpai (Dai-senpai) she was the first person who make Hololive alive, because of her we all here, she was the goddess who make the foundation for us" that's why all talent's was trully respect her even Holostars.. but in other's side some of em also confuse how to get close with sora, afraid to said a wrong word, or else.. marine was one of the person who also break that wall after 3-4 years she debut 😂In GTA she treat her like a junior and funny is she was right, they look so close together with it.. that make me glad Sora treat same with other's too from marine.
@@Narukami17 Sadly this is really Sora's fault for being stand offish and her being brought up very traditionally. The rest of the girls treated her as a seperate entity that they don't know too well.
That said she is letting loose more and more, especially now that she is an adult. Her "rapper clothing" aka hoodie and baseball cap was a part of that as is the GTA roleplay. It helps the others connect with her a bit more personally. Same with that song, she, suisei, Azki, Calli, and Irys did that had moaning in it. She claimed she didn't know the lyrics, also none of the other girls said they did the moaning and most said they didn't know who did, so I assume that means she did it.
Recently, she and Raden actually went to an opera in Tokyo
2:21 Vivi want to be able to call sora with "Sora chan" like what marine did? And FYI Marine can call her "Sora-Chan" was need 3-4 year.🗿
she's been close with Sora was from near stream before GTA and getting more closer on GTA because she was together with her for a weeks, There's a time she got ask why she not close with sora a years ago she said "Blame the management! they make a talent that really hard to get close with!" it refer about the management is like want to avoid these two in one frame 🤣but Sora actually want to get closer with marine, From begining Sora actually didn't want to get treat like "A god" or something, that make her said on kabakura Miko stream gen 0 "in these years, actually i also want to be close with you.. i even okay with a lewd jokes, But why you not come to talk to me marine?" Even with Azki too, She close with Azki and called her AzkiChi was need a years too! XD from Puyo" tournament when she win the tournament even beat the Hidden boss Sui (But saddly she got real backslash from other's fans antis because of she's to strong, after all her hardwork 😔) in that stream actually suisei have a stream about teach Azki to play puyo".. and Sui have a urgent things that can't do the collab and she remember she got beat by marine at practice and choose marine to change her to teach Azki, that's why Marine close wit Azki from that and GTA also bring 2 Goddess from hololive live with marine for a week together! 😂maybe the management will hate it, but in other's side im glad marine can be that close with these two, after years! :' (
Marine wondering if Sora's an M lol.
I also know Sora wants to be treated like that. It’s weird to say this but she really tries to fit in with others but everyone sees her as a great senpai you shouldn’t defy. Like lewd jokes the members make. No one does it with her. Ya it makes me feel sad she’s left out but what marine said is what have been feeling since the beginning.
When I saw the clip of her saying “I wanted senpai’s too” it made me kinda sad. The only person who treats her as a member is iofi.
That Christmas event also she tried really hard but everyone treats her like a god who you shouldn’t disrespect. Even Suisei or Miko or matsuri are all big top senpai but no they treatment very different
This topic already born for years ago actually, even when sora got asked "who is her senpai then?" sora in sec saying "Kizuna ai chan!" Sora it self saying she afraid to make other's member's scared or something because of her.. that's why she's hard to get closer with the other's, she didn't want to treated like "A god" or something... and some of members said the same thing.. "Sora was a huge senpai (Dai-senpai) she was the first person who make Hololive alive, because of her we all here, she was the goddess who make the foundation for us" that's why all talent's was trully respect her even Holostars.. i can't blame that tho, but in other's side some of em also confuse how to get close with sora, afraid to said a wrong word, or else, even marine was scared to say a lewd jokes on her or something.. but glad she was okay with it and already close with her.
funny is? Marine was way close with The Goddess of NIji, or Sora ver from NIji, Mito rather than with Sora it self 😂
@@Narukami17 Thing is Mito is the Daisempai for Niji and she isn't treated the same way at all. it comes down to Sora's personality and decision to be seperate.
Had she decided to be forward and friendly and not stand offish and told the girls to be less formal cause after all she was a highschool girl and she should be calling them senpai.
Sora wants to be treated like the other girls but most of them are worried about possible disrespect in her direction. Basically they all treat her with kid gloves and I think it makes her feel lonely, in a way. I see her reactions at times like she is anticipating something that doesn’t show up. Don’t get me wrong, she isn’t angry, just probably feels a bit left out.
lmao
Is Vivi in Hololive?
Dev_is
She's one of the latest Hololive debutants from the Dev_IS Flow Glow group.
I know they're joking for the content, but at the same time I really wonder if they don't realize that Sora just wants to be spoken to casually like everyone else
They do, but I think they are kind of hardwired to Japanese curtesy tradition where you must treat the most senior member of the workplace with the upmost respect.
Senpai Kouhai dynamic is hard to overcome in a Japanese workplace setting
Sora is WAY too senior to overcome years and years of manual programming from their culture, at least not immediately. She's pretty good at getting where she wants eventually but she has to collab with them before the other person gains the comfort to start speaking less formally (and some just don't, period). Most of the other Hololive OGs are easy enough for people to overcome junior/senior with but someone who is the literal foundation of the company? That takes a lot of time.
i think ReGloss as a whole knows that and is a lot more casual with Sora than the rest of JP.
this topic already born for years ago actually, Sora it self saying she afraid to make other's member's scared or something because of her.. that's why she's hard to get closer with the other's, she didn't want to treated like "A god" or something... and some of members said the same thing.. "Sora was a huge senpai (Dai-senpai) she was the first person who make Hololive alive, because of her we all here, she was the goddess who make the foundation for us" that's why all talent's was trully respect her even Holostars.. but in other's side some of em also confuse how to get close with sora, afraid to said a wrong word, or else, even marine was scared to say a lewd jokes on her or something.. but glad she was okay with it and already close with her.
funny is? Marine was way close with The Goddess of NIji, or Sora ver from NIji, Mito rather than with Sora it self 😂
I checked the original stream and i dont know japanese but i just know the others were so hilarious man. Its a literal yuri fest over there go check the stream out if you havent amd thank you for subbing this. Had me laughing out loud 😂
yuri fest?
Yea.Its practically a love wagon 😂 @@jackhoward8
@jackhoward8 oh absolutely. Basically Riona confesses she used to have a crush on Niko but she's trying to erase those feelings and Niko likes dependable oneesan like chihaya but she finds vivi cute but Vivi is like a wall and will never return the love. Marines's reaction is amazing and hilarious dude