fyi, All of the Greek New Testament originals were written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS with no spaces and probably no punctuation, and all of the earlier manuscripts are in this style, whether on parchment or papyrus. How the translators assigned upper cases, punctuation, chapter and verse divisions was up to them but nothing to do with the original intent
Great video! Love the contrast of the the views and letting people decide for themselves. Doing a personal study on the apostolic and love your explanation of Ephesians 4. You’re right, it doesn’t make sense to read back into Eph. 2 to interpret Eph 4 and change/invalidate the meaning. Keep it up bro 😎
I also believe that Timothy and Titus were brought up to be apostles. As they were assigned to appoint elders in their churches and before that they were on apostolic teams with Paul. The same with Silas I also do not see how people try to sensationalized the apostle so much when it was originally a Greek political word like eklesia was. The 12 original apostles: commissioned by Christ before His start of the churches Ephesians 4 apostles: commissioned or ordained by God and confirmed by other church elders after Jesus ASCENDED
The foundation has already been laid so to say that the modern day apostles have to relay a foundation is not the gospel. Through the original Apostles we get the the new testament. If the new apostles are laying foundations that are not of this biblical/word of God than they are not apostolic. I believe in sent one's but no offense to our brothers and sisters who are "apostles"they pale in comparison to the real truth/word of God. The idea that the church has been missing it for hundreds of years(according to the "new apostles")because they haven't had apostles revealing to them how to live the bible(which is pretty much what the Catholics believe about the Pope)is ludicrous at best. This is the problem that most Christians have with this new docterine.
That's an interesting perspective. The modern gift of apostle is building on the foundation laid by the apostle and old Testament Prophets which is Christ the cornerstone. Low case apostle, prophet evangelist, Pastor and teachers are equipping and edifying the body. And that will happen until Christ returns.
I disagree with your argument on the capital A apostle. Neither is anyone referred to anywhere in Scripture as Him with capital H except for God. So capital A or small a should not be anything to really take note of. That capital A is because of WHO they're referring to, just as every other reference to God is capitalized. Who is the Fear of Isaac? Once again, where else is fear capitalized anywhere else in the Bible as in that way?
@AnthonyWilson2273 Hebrews 3:1 is slightly limited in context to what apostle means and how men should function in it because of who it's written to and the message it's trying to convey.
It's show that Jesus is the only capital A apostle. Now other apostle are to be put on a pedestal. They were and are all servants of Christ and his mission. There are to many people think that the term apostle gives them so great position, however it's not a great position it's a great responsibility to give your life away for the sake of the Gospel. The modern misunderstanding of apostle stems from a unbiblical view of the apostles job of suffering and service to God. It's not a position of power but poverty so that others may know Jesus Christ.
The modern day apostles that I know are very humble men. They are all over social media promoting themselves as apostles. They just do the work of planting churches and equipping believers to live for the cause of Christ.
We all have to understand that the are different category of apostles . 1. Jesus Christ himself that's why Hebrews has uper case A. 2. The foundational apostles ...who built the church not buildings alone but through sound doctrine of Christ . 3. apostle in Paul category Why Paul ..he received and brought revelation ..layes doctrine he received by revelation from Christ ..reasons why he wrote many epistles. 4.modern apostles who are called ..by Christ Ephesians 4...these apostles build upon the doctrine layed by the.. foundational apostles'
WHY DO PEOPLE RAPE THE HOLY WORDS OF THE GREAT ONE YAHWEH MY HEAVENLY FATHER, TO FIND SELF SATISFACTION, NO ONE ALIVE CAN GIVE THEMSELVES THAT TITLE APOSTLE, DID YOU WALK WITH THE SAVIOR YAHSHUA, DID HE TEACH YOU IN PERSON? DID HE COME TO YOU AND SAID YOU ARE ONE OF MY APOSTLES, IF NOT JUST BE HAPPY WITH BEING A BELIEVER IN HIM YAHSHUA.
Jesus is still sending out apostles prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. These are the people who give up there lives for the gospel. Everyone is not willing to be homeless, penniless and sacrifice their life for the gospel of Jesus. So for those that have not been sent it would seem to be for self-satisfaction and not self-sacrifice. We still need and still have those who give up all for the gospel 🙏.
@@AnthonyWilson2273 YOU HAVE TO CALLED AND CHOSEN, AND AS LONG AS ONE CALL ON THE NAME OF PAGAN TITLE, GODS AND LORDS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO SENDING YOU, IF ONE DOESN'T CALL ON OR WORSHIP THE GREAT ONE YAHWEH MY HEAVENLY FATHER AND THE SAVIOR YAHSHUA, BY THEIR HOLY NAMES, BE CAREFUL OF THE GODS AND LORDS OF THIS WORLD,
@@AnthonyWilson2273are you sure? Today we have Apostolic Gifts and Prophetic Gifts that are given out since the day of Pentecost until even today. Why would there be both the Office of Apostle and Prophet coinciding with those who have Apostolic and Prophetic Gifts at the same time? Don’t you think that would cause confusion? Notice what Ephesians 4v11 actually says at the beginning. And he GAVE some to be Apostles and Prophets and then there is a pause. The word Gave is past tense. The word Gives would have been utilized in place of Gave which is past tense. Something to consider huh?
Here's a resource that will help you think through this subject of modern Day apostles
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@@simone56 thank you 😊
A year late but this is GOLD
Mike, I love it when you have people on your channel and allow them to speak without always interrupting them
fyi, All of the Greek New Testament originals were written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS with no spaces and probably no punctuation, and all of the earlier manuscripts are in this style, whether on parchment or papyrus.
How the translators assigned upper cases, punctuation, chapter and verse divisions was up to them but nothing to do with the original intent
Great video! Love the contrast of the the views and letting people decide for themselves. Doing a personal study on the apostolic and love your explanation of Ephesians 4. You’re right, it doesn’t make sense to read back into Eph. 2 to interpret Eph 4 and change/invalidate the meaning. Keep it up bro 😎
Thank you for your feedback. This is a controversial issue for many believer.
Dr. Brown ended that interview very professionally
Thanks so much for having him on. God bless you both
I also believe that Timothy and Titus were brought up to be apostles. As they were assigned to appoint elders in their churches and before that they were on apostolic teams with Paul. The same with Silas
I also do not see how people try to sensationalized the apostle so much when it was originally a Greek political word like eklesia was.
The 12 original apostles: commissioned by Christ before His start of the churches
Ephesians 4 apostles: commissioned or ordained by God and confirmed by other church elders after Jesus ASCENDED
Agreed 👍
I really enjoyed this.
Thank you so very much.
You do a great job
Thank you so much for this video. I now have clarity on the issue.
Thank you for watching
Key word is gifts not offices
Absolutely
The foundation has already been laid so to say that the modern day apostles have to relay a foundation is not the gospel. Through the original Apostles we get the the new testament. If the new apostles are laying foundations that are not of this biblical/word of God than they are not apostolic. I believe in sent one's but no offense to our brothers and sisters who are "apostles"they pale in comparison to the real truth/word of God. The idea that the church has been missing it for hundreds of years(according to the "new apostles")because they haven't had apostles revealing to them how to live the bible(which is pretty much what the Catholics believe about the Pope)is ludicrous at best. This is the problem that most Christians have with this new docterine.
That's an interesting perspective. The modern gift of apostle is building on the foundation laid by the apostle and old Testament Prophets which is Christ the cornerstone. Low case apostle, prophet evangelist, Pastor and teachers are equipping and edifying the body. And that will happen until Christ returns.
I disagree with your argument on the capital A apostle. Neither is anyone referred to anywhere in Scripture as Him with capital H except for God. So capital A or small a should not be anything to really take note of.
That capital A is because of WHO they're referring to, just as every other reference to God is capitalized. Who is the Fear of Isaac? Once again, where else is fear capitalized anywhere else in the Bible as in that way?
Read Hebrews 3:1
@AnthonyWilson2273 Hebrews 3:1 is slightly limited in context to what apostle means and how men should function in it because of who it's written to and the message it's trying to convey.
It's show that Jesus is the only capital A apostle. Now other apostle are to be put on a pedestal. They were and are all servants of Christ and his mission. There are to many people think that the term apostle gives them so great position, however it's not a great position it's a great responsibility to give your life away for the sake of the Gospel. The modern misunderstanding of apostle stems from a unbiblical view of the apostles job of suffering and service to God. It's not a position of power but poverty so that others may know Jesus Christ.
Would you have any true modern day apostle you could suggest to check out please.
The modern day apostles that I know are very humble men. They are all over social media promoting themselves as apostles. They just do the work of planting churches and equipping believers to live for the cause of Christ.
We all have to understand that the are different category of apostles .
1. Jesus Christ himself that's why Hebrews has uper case A.
2. The foundational apostles ...who built the church not buildings alone but through sound doctrine of Christ .
3. apostle in Paul category
Why Paul ..he received and brought revelation ..layes doctrine he received by revelation from Christ ..reasons why he wrote many epistles.
4.modern apostles who are called ..by Christ Ephesians 4...these apostles build upon the doctrine layed by the.. foundational apostles'
Yes you are exactly right 👂💪🙌🙏✝️
WHY DO PEOPLE RAPE THE HOLY WORDS OF THE GREAT ONE YAHWEH MY HEAVENLY FATHER, TO FIND SELF SATISFACTION, NO ONE ALIVE CAN GIVE THEMSELVES THAT TITLE APOSTLE, DID YOU WALK WITH THE SAVIOR YAHSHUA, DID HE TEACH YOU IN PERSON? DID HE COME TO YOU AND SAID YOU ARE ONE OF MY APOSTLES, IF NOT JUST BE HAPPY WITH BEING A BELIEVER IN HIM YAHSHUA.
Jesus is still sending out apostles prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. These are the people who give up there lives for the gospel. Everyone is not willing to be homeless, penniless and sacrifice their life for the gospel of Jesus. So for those that have not been sent it would seem to be for self-satisfaction and not self-sacrifice. We still need and still have those who give up all for the gospel 🙏.
@@AnthonyWilson2273 YOU HAVE TO CALLED AND CHOSEN, AND AS LONG AS ONE CALL ON THE NAME OF PAGAN TITLE, GODS AND LORDS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO SENDING YOU, IF ONE DOESN'T CALL ON OR WORSHIP THE GREAT ONE YAHWEH MY HEAVENLY FATHER AND THE SAVIOR YAHSHUA, BY THEIR HOLY NAMES, BE CAREFUL OF THE GODS AND LORDS OF THIS WORLD,
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@@AnthonyWilson2273are you sure? Today we have Apostolic Gifts and Prophetic Gifts that are given out since the day of Pentecost until even today. Why would there be both the Office of Apostle and Prophet coinciding with those who have Apostolic and Prophetic Gifts at the same time? Don’t you think that would cause confusion? Notice what Ephesians 4v11 actually says at the beginning. And he GAVE some to be Apostles and Prophets and then there is a pause. The word Gave is past tense. The word Gives would have been utilized in place of Gave which is past tense. Something to consider huh?
Yes I'm sure. It also says til we all come to the unity of the faith. We are not unified because these gift have been denied for far to long.