Hi all at the NRM - and thanks for Thomas Spain for presenting this one so well (wagons really do deserve more love than they get!). I was wondering, was the chaldron wagon at Locomotion the last of its kind in service? I was really surprised at the fact it was used into the 1970s!
Very instructive, although could only scratch the surface in the time given. The reason for the private owners and railways attraction for hand brake only coal wagons is another topic. The long use of dumb buffers in non Chaldron wagons is another topic. Shunting by non locomotive means such as horses, ropes and powered capstone as well as the conversion of agricultural tractor designs as rubber tyred wagon shunters are all others I would think would interest many.
@@KYZ__1 A number of chaldrons at Seaham Harbour soldiered on into the 1970s. Until 1969, they were often hauled by Seaham Harbour 0-4-0ST No. 18 Lewin of 1877. They were used for collecting the coal that had spilled from the staithes while loading ships - their small size being ideal for the purpose. No. 18 and a number of Seaham Harbour chaldrons were preserved by Beamish museum by the mid-1970s, while the NRM's chaldron once adorned Gaunless Bridge.
My Dad led a wagon restoration group of volunteers at the Bluebell Railway because he saw a niche in the railway. Everyone else was restoring coaches, engines, the station, p-way etc, but wagons form such an important part of the atmosphere of a heritage railway.
I remember watching coal trains as a kid, they seemed to go on forever. Steam hauled in earliest memory, then various diesels. In hindsight it was incredible that main lines were vulnerable to the mechanical frailties of any one of thousands of such wagons, but as coal ran almost everything there was no alternative.
I enjoyed that look at wagons. One method of shunting not mentioned was movement by heavy horses. I guess it was more popular in smaller shunting yards & sidings. To facilitate this wagons had hooks on the side frames on which to hitch a tow rope. Whether elephants were ever used out in the colonies I can't say although I've seen a photo of one moving an aircraft in a Royal Naval airfield out in the Far East. Only yesterday I saw some still photos of chaldron wagons forming trains. This was on a video of the Doon Valley Railway in Ayrshire.
Was lucky enough to see a wild Anthony coulls in his what he said is his happy place, the Thorpe light railway. Think I made him feel like a celebrity because I took a picture with him at the end of filming the trains he was driving and he said he was loving it 😂
I'm from Ilkeston and a few people reckon the the Eight plank wagon on the roundabout might not actually be an actual Stanton wagon. They think it is one that the Council found somewhere and then just painted Stanton on the side.
Also the Shipley wagons shown at 6:45 are also from Ilkeston The Shipley pit later became home to the American Adventure Theme Park. Which went bust around 20 years ago.
What a great video and please do more on wagons, (steel, stone, cement, for instance) and coaching stock including mail. The explanation of loading and unloading is particularly helpful, such as the bottom doors on the Stanton wagon.
I miss the old short wheelbase wooden coal trucks, seeing them being fly shunted into the sidings by our school and counting them going slowly past. The last private owner I saw (late 1950s) was bearing the pre-pool legend of Hurst Nelson of Motherwell.
Very interesting indeed. Really like the NER 20T wagon and have a few of the Slaters 00 kits to build so your close up shots of that will help greatly. With my OCD (and getting into wagon kit building now that RTR prices are just ridiculous) is all the details on the wooden wagons eg that striker place on the side door for when it hits the door spring fastened to the wagon chassis. Bet the pint on those lasted about 2 mins. And all the small clips, plates, fixings and corner metal protections. I always wondered how (what machine?) they lifted the wagons from one end so the coal slides out the end door? Cheers
I’ll be honest, coal wagons can be a fairly interesting subject. Modellers of any scale or type can buy existing wagons or make their own. I’ve done a branded wagon out of Lego with the intent to make one of the Stanton wagon, and I own once Bachmann OO wagon I need to get more of.
Man, seeing that black and white footage of the shunter running after the wagon to set the brakes in a hump yard looks so wrong and impractical to a US viewer. It's not even like *OLD* old footage - it looks like it could have easily been shot somewhere in the 40s or 50s when that sort of thing was considered an ancient practice confined to the first railroads in the 1800s by US standards. Ladders were built on the side of the cars here such that a worker on the ground could simply step on as the car rolled by and then he'd just ride the thing until he needed to stop and the brake wheel would be right there easily within arm's reach and he'd turn down the brakes and stop the car from rolling.
Did the British railway system develop a "per diem" system of wagon rental like in the States. That's how it worked here, and still does. An empty car can be used by any railroad to serve any customer, and it may not return for years. I once saw a Pennsylvania R.R. car in Minneapolis ten years after the company ceased existing.
For the Westinghouse system but I believe British trains used vacuum braking with the locomotive producing low pressure in the brake lines and pulling the brakes off the wheels.
Thanks for this - it was a great video on a fascinating subject. The fact that some industries were large enough to justify specialist carriages like this is remarkable, and helps us better understand how things worked. Much appreciated!
Thank you, while there is almost always something new to learn about railways the goods operations (including the efforts in time of war) are sorely neglected.
Really enjoyed this episode. Thanks. As another staple of rail freight operations, any chance of covering milk and / or beer wagons / tankers at some future point?
Did you enjoy the Tour de Coal Wagon? If you have any questions for Thomas, ask away!
Its sometihng different and intresting.
Hay Thomas can you get one then best besides you of course to do a video on the LNWR 790 Hardwick please?
Hi all at the NRM - and thanks for Thomas Spain for presenting this one so well (wagons really do deserve more love than they get!). I was wondering, was the chaldron wagon at Locomotion the last of its kind in service? I was really surprised at the fact it was used into the 1970s!
Very instructive, although could only scratch the surface in the time given.
The reason for the private owners and railways attraction for hand brake only coal wagons is another topic.
The long use of dumb buffers in non Chaldron wagons is another topic.
Shunting by non locomotive means such as horses, ropes and powered capstone as well as the conversion of agricultural tractor designs as rubber tyred wagon shunters are all others I would think would interest many.
@@KYZ__1 A number of chaldrons at Seaham Harbour soldiered on into the 1970s. Until 1969, they were often hauled by Seaham Harbour 0-4-0ST No. 18 Lewin of 1877. They were used for collecting the coal that had spilled from the staithes while loading ships - their small size being ideal for the purpose.
No. 18 and a number of Seaham Harbour chaldrons were preserved by Beamish museum by the mid-1970s, while the NRM's chaldron once adorned Gaunless Bridge.
My Dad led a wagon restoration group of volunteers at the Bluebell Railway because he saw a niche in the railway. Everyone else was restoring coaches, engines, the station, p-way etc, but wagons form such an important part of the atmosphere of a heritage railway.
private owner wagons are sorely under represented in heritage
Private owner wagons are what come to mind for me when I think of British goods stock. I absolutely love the way they look!
I remember watching coal trains as a kid, they seemed to go on forever. Steam hauled in earliest memory, then various diesels. In hindsight it was incredible that main lines were vulnerable to the mechanical frailties of any one of thousands of such wagons, but as coal ran almost everything there was no alternative.
I enjoyed that look at wagons. One method of shunting not mentioned was movement by heavy horses. I guess it was more popular in smaller shunting yards & sidings. To facilitate this wagons had hooks on the side frames on which to hitch a tow rope. Whether elephants were ever used out in the colonies I can't say although I've seen a photo of one moving an aircraft in a Royal Naval airfield out in the Far East. Only yesterday I saw some still photos of chaldron wagons forming trains. This was on a video of the Doon Valley Railway in Ayrshire.
Very interesting thank you. Would love to see more on wagons!
Was lucky enough to see a wild Anthony coulls in his what he said is his happy place, the Thorpe light railway. Think I made him feel like a celebrity because I took a picture with him at the end of filming the trains he was driving and he said he was loving it 😂
This channel is a gem. More please! 😃
thankyou an interesting change from the usual famous locomotives
More unusual things are in the pipeline!
The stanton wagon has a sister wagon that lives in the middle of the roundabout on static display in ilkeston.
Note the upward extension of the buffer housing on the end tippler of the Stanton wagon...to prevent the body shifting.
I'm from Ilkeston and a few people reckon the the Eight plank wagon on the roundabout might not actually be an actual Stanton wagon. They think it is one that the Council found somewhere and then just painted Stanton on the side.
Also the Shipley wagons shown at 6:45 are also from Ilkeston The Shipley pit later became home to the American Adventure Theme Park. Which went bust around 20 years ago.
@@williamhall667 you seen it at the moment? Bit of metal on the side has fell off and a buffer had been ripped out. Sad really.
@@webby19262 I drive past it most day's but hadn't noticed. I usually watching the traffic.
What a great video and please do more on wagons, (steel, stone, cement, for instance) and coaching stock including mail. The explanation of loading and unloading is particularly helpful, such as the bottom doors on the Stanton wagon.
Another fascinating video. So much so that I've subscribed after enjoying two videos like this one!
I would love to see a similar video on the progression of coaches!
Definitely wagon bonanzas must be a much regular thing.
Excellent episode!
Very good video. The narrator seems to have escaped, via a time warp, from the 1970s!
Great video, very enjoyable, but, you missed out the post war standard 16ton mineral wagon!
Love the Wagon Bonanza, very interesting wagons
Thanks for that video fascinating!
Thank you for another great video!
I miss the old short wheelbase wooden coal trucks, seeing them being fly shunted into the sidings by our school and counting them going slowly past. The last private owner I saw (late 1950s) was bearing the pre-pool legend of Hurst Nelson of Motherwell.
Very interesting, can there be more videos about rolling stock at some point
It was most interesting and fascinating. I enjoyed it very much albeit being a Swedish train buff and not from the UK.
Superb production...
Very interesting indeed. Really like the NER 20T wagon and have a few of the Slaters 00 kits to build so your close up shots of that will help greatly. With my OCD (and getting into wagon kit building now that RTR prices are just ridiculous) is all the details on the wooden wagons eg that striker place on the side door for when it hits the door spring fastened to the wagon chassis. Bet the pint on those lasted about 2 mins. And all the small clips, plates, fixings and corner metal protections. I always wondered how (what machine?) they lifted the wagons from one end so the coal slides out the end door? Cheers
Interesting to watch the video.
Really interesting, thank you!
I’ll be honest, coal wagons can be a fairly interesting subject. Modellers of any scale or type can buy existing wagons or make their own. I’ve done a branded wagon out of Lego with the intent to make one of the Stanton wagon, and I own once Bachmann OO wagon I need to get more of.
Would've been cool if he could have demonstrated how the hopper doors worked or at least their operation on the NER wagon
Shildon Waggon Works, but some of the best railway waggons used throughout the world
I was wondering if the BR 16 ton mineral wagon should have been in there as an intermediate stage between the po wagon and the MGR?
i remember coal wagons having a white diagonal stripe on one end. What was that for?
Denoted which end the door was, as seen on BR 16T mineral wagons. A white 'V' shape in the centre of the wagon side denoted bottom-opening doors.
Man, seeing that black and white footage of the shunter running after the wagon to set the brakes in a hump yard looks so wrong and impractical to a US viewer. It's not even like *OLD* old footage - it looks like it could have easily been shot somewhere in the 40s or 50s when that sort of thing was considered an ancient practice confined to the first railroads in the 1800s by US standards. Ladders were built on the side of the cars here such that a worker on the ground could simply step on as the car rolled by and then he'd just ride the thing until he needed to stop and the brake wheel would be right there easily within arm's reach and he'd turn down the brakes and stop the car from rolling.
Did the British railway system develop a "per diem" system of wagon rental like in the States. That's how it worked here, and still does. An empty car can be used by any railroad to serve any customer, and it may not return for years. I once saw a Pennsylvania R.R. car in Minneapolis ten years after the company ceased existing.
I am guessing that the hopper wagon where not designed to carry crushed coal rather than lumps of coal
Why was that 2nd wagon that you showed banned? What was wrong with it to cause that to happen?
The chaldrons (first wagon) were banned from the railway network in 1914, but before that could be seen coupled with the NER (second) wagon.
Well done Thomas , my question is , what is the time frame for that last wagon that you showed us ?
Built 1964, withdrawn c1995.
@@BulleidPacific34053 thanks for that
I remember when "wagon" was spelled "waggon." Yep, I'm old.
All too often overlooked part of the railway scene.
troublesome trucks
The locomotive provides air pressure to release the brakesnot to set them.
For the Westinghouse system but I believe British trains used vacuum braking with the locomotive producing low pressure in the brake lines and pulling the brakes off the wheels.
@@davidmann8504 not on the MGR wagons they were air braked. Vacuum brakes work exactly in the way you described.
I didn't expect this to be nearly as interesting as it was, so thank you to Thomas Spain for his presentation. His passion for these wagons was clear!
More Wagon Stuff Please i Like that so much
Thanks for this - it was a great video on a fascinating subject.
The fact that some industries were large enough to justify specialist carriages like this is remarkable, and helps us better understand how things worked.
Much appreciated!
Can you do a video on colliery to local coal yard. The distribution of house coal probably affected everyone over the age of 55 in the UK.
Marvellous. Interesting presentation and a really good museum.
Thank you, while there is almost always something new to learn about railways the goods operations (including the efforts in time of war) are sorely neglected.
FASCINATING STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really enjoyed this episode. Thanks. As another staple of rail freight operations, any chance of covering milk and / or beer wagons / tankers at some future point?
Very interesting a well done.
MEDIC!
Really interesting to see why things are how they are. Thanks and Greetings from Germany!
I love seeing rolling stock. Absolutely loved the snowplow. Would very much love to see more such episodes!