"I can debate with 10 people who are knowledgeable but I will be defeated by the ignorant, because ignorant people will never understand the basic of knowledge" (Imam Syafi'i)
@@jerusalem5646 shut up you s tupid brother muhammed was talking the truth as it is and he answered all of the repeated questions from that i gnorant kid that obviously trying to get an attention and to be known.
@@mirsalondon8829 The addition of diacritical marks in a mushaf ( manuscipt) does not change the content in the manuscript! *SMH* This is not even a valid criticism of the preservation! Do you know why they were added in the first place? And that we have mushafs without them?
@@nuhashahmed7692 well said brother diacritical marks are added to facilitate the reading of the Quranic text in a specific way and to pronounce words correctly with a correct intonation that the prophet used to read or recite these people doesn't know anything about our language and they lack the basic knowledge of our language yet you find them argue against our religion as if they spent 20 years studying it they differ about language of their bibles yet they want to argue against the Quran with zero knowledge in the first place.
Wallahi I love brother Muhammad Hijab may Allah SWT protect and preserve him and the entire Dawah team .... Ameen Ya Rabb Brother Muhammad Hijab protected the Honour of The Noble Glorious Qur'an and proved that every mode of The Noble Glorious Qur'an is protected and Preserved by Allah SWT
I enjoyed the whole 3 part series of this conversation and to be honest I did learn quite a lot. Got nothing against Chris, and in fact he has some interesting questions (although its quite clear he's trying to find errors rather than genuinely learn about Islam), but Mohammed addresses those questions very eloquently. The final portion around the imposition of western definitions and criteria for scholarly texts was very interesting as well and a very valid point made by Mohammed. Pigmentation of skin is 100% a factor, both historically and in current times (post-colonialism).
It's got nothing to do with pigmentation; Hijab himself has clarified his usage of the term "white man" refers to the archetypical Western (post-)colonial mindset. Racism has no place in the heart of a Muslim.
this was pretty amazing from our brother hijab , a specially trying to explain something that complicated to someone who's not Arab ,while nearly all the main, major sources of it it's in a very casical Arabic جزاك الله خيرا
I like what Hijab is saying. If I don't like the definition of a werd or term, i can reject it, or eye can change it. If eye give an analogy and it doesn't werk out, I can give another analogee without admitting I was wrong. So too, I can spell werds anyway I want to and not be rong because the dictionary was written by a white man who has never been Afreaka.
The issue is, white western scholarship often has biased views based on western morality such as liberalism etc which other countries do not agree with. It’s a genuine point.
No, it puts primacy of logic and proof. You adopt racism to avoid confronting the fact claiming there's a perfectly preserved single Koran is illogical when there's 37 Arabic Korans, at least.
@@hboi965 which of the 37 books, that you claim are identical, should I read? All you can do is ad hom and deflect like a coward. Address the points or stay quiet?
@@josm1481 the definition of "perfect" is not a fact, its a subjective term, hijab was right, because thabari is very great scholar too and he has very clear explanation what the "perfect" mean, and just because it is differ from the western (which mostly white) schoolar definition, doesnt mean thabari wrong, thats the hijab point, its not about the race
@@mbaharuddindstaba1320 no, perfect is an absolute. When you are wrong about basic definitions then you are going to be wrong about everything else. And Hijab is a racist coward, who hates white people and liberalism but refuses to leave a predominantly white, liberal country. That's the acid test of how fake his and all Western Ms views are. Complaining but staying. Like a teenager to their parents.
He was not sincere so many times, with Shamsi, with Raihan, Hamza, Paul and now Hijab. This issue he raised was dismantled many times by Raihan & Hamzah and then Paul. Not surprised he's doing it again
@@mirsalondon8829 I believe he said more sense. Let me tell you in Asian, most white people believe they are better, superior than us. Because they colonised most Asian countries. And he knows that race superiority comes from Britain and US. Which is why Black Matters issues comes from.
It is very good perception by Br Hijab about the about western definitions/ scholarship and why we dont need to accept them just because a shite person wrote it.
Charles Murray, leader of race realism has his books reviewed very favorably by people like Bill Clinton. Sam Harris and many other popular figures have circulated and supported his views to various extents. This is just one example. The fact the white dude wants to be offended instead of understanding what MH is saying is frustrating. Yes it’s wrong to make any sort of value judgements based on race (MH agrees here) but people still do anyways, especially through channels that are deemed to be objective and free of bias, such as academia (here the dude fails to understand this) He even says academia is the least racist place. Omg Hijab was literally citing for him eugenics programs of hitler that had their start in United States. In fact it was American books on race by anthropologist and academics that influenced hitler the most. Instead of trying to cry and be offended this guy could’ve learned something. I say this as someone who doesn’t like Mohammed Hijab too.
I get what Hijab means when hes saying "Why should we listen, or accept, something as truth because it's a white man" but it comes off wrong because he doesn't explain, thats why it comes off as racist. He's not saying because they are white men he rejects them, hes asking as to "Why" should I accept them just because they are white. 4:44 he touches on it here.
I love mohammed hijab but for me this was the one and only time I have seen him triggered and border line losing control of himself. I dont believe Chris said anything that provocative to get that reaction from Mr Hijab. Mohammed was beautifull in everything he said (like always) but normally he would say the word western and then use the word white in a softer way. I felt sorry for chris because i dont think he deserved that tbh. Mr Hijab could never do wrong in my eyes but I just wanted to point that out.
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Someone is being cited @8:11 and you’re rejecting them partly because of the color of their skin. With all due respect, you are forgetting that we have an issue with their ideology, not their skin color. How about you just say: “Westerners” or “Orientalists” or something like that instead of being so insensitive.
Because they belong to the greater western civilization, and because in Islam we have different standards and this imperial intellectual dominance is tied to a history of colonialism where white men imposed (still continue to impose their worldview/paradigm on the rest for the world such as with supranational organizations and liberal universities)
I understand what Chris is trying to say however in Islam these variants are identified and traced back to the Prophet Muhammed pbuh and also these variants do not contradict each other. Praise be to Allah. Unlike the other books which contradict themselves.
He was also trying to find out if all possible variants were preserved, not just those we have today. If a variant was disregarded or conflicted, but was not considered during the unification, there could well be conflicts which have been edited out. Decent debate though
Even after Hijab beautifully summed up and put to bed any criticisms at the end, Chris still in his arrogants tried to force down his definitions and terminologies. Chris why does the world have to bend to the authority of western (majority white authority, just to clear things I am not saying because of someone's skin they are wrong or we reject it however I am pointing this out to show you this race thought history shows a lot of bias and especially this race when it comes to academic discussions. Hijab means white authority not white skin, not because the color of there skin makes them wrong but that they show a lot of bias towards it, you see the difference or you still think this is a racist? lol) so why do we have to bend to the thoughts and feelings of western scholarship? Why is that the only place you are taking your knowledge from? There are thousands if not millions of other academics in other regions races and ideologies that also have definitions and thoughts about the same words but have different interpretations. How do you decided who is speaking more of the truth. This is what hijab was trying to point out to you. The world doesn't have to accept the wests terms because what gives them that authority? nothing, they are not god, they are super subjective. It must be objective more like 1+1=2 and not something like "perfect" means something is smooth so its perfect, but someone else can just say no for what the object is even though it isn't smooth its perfect for what it was made to be.... both completely subjective, so now if that object isn't smooth is it not perfect or is it perfect cause its exactly what is suppose to be?. So that is why you must broaden your scope. Honestly Chris you weren't here to learn and that was apparent, you did say yourself you came to debate, but all your motives were so bias because since you cant sleep because the bible wasn't preserved which you admitted, and now that you beliefs and salvation has come to question, instead of rethinking your outlook you are trying to bring down others scripters to make yourself feel better about your own. Even if other scripters weren't preserved, that doesn't then make yours "more" of the truth???! Yours has holes, contradictions, preservation issues, rethink your beliefs first rather than trying to attack others cause you seem to be loosing in both your own home ground and the visitors.
Arabs and Turks are the only races not to slave traded since the 7th century. What skin colour were the last known slaves in the GSBs home country of Egypt?
@@josm1481 what did he say was racist, all he is asking is why do we “ONLY” have to accept western scholarship? (Which is predominately white males, and if you look at history what they did to the world colonial wise who have forced there views on to others) Why do we have to accept terms and ideologies that are filled with clear bias and historical atrocities. You never understood the conversation from the start. You hear one thing that sounds weird take it out of context and scream racism. You and your views are weak so that’s why you have to latch in to your emotional views cause you can’t back up your intellectual one’s. Have a good day mate, I’m not gonna waste my time with someone who didn’t understand the conversation in the first place.
Your wrong tho your clearly watching on 2x speed , it was Chris that made a big deal out of it , Br Hijab was literally about to finish his point before Chris started complaining. He’s the one who deviated
it was going well until Chris could not grasp facts about the scholars race. HIjab was stating a fact doesnt matter what color they are its just a fact western scholars he was refering to were mostly white but Chris took it from a perspective of racism.
Coz we understand what he really means. If you mean preservation by only one to one copy with no variation no we dont have that. Our preservation has more wider range. All variation thats has been verified that it came from the prophet are acceptable and uthmanic codex act as the center guidelines for all other mode of recitation.
@@weretron hahahahahaha so you as a muslim are telling me that you never grew up with all your muslim family and friends telling you that 'Every quran is the same, word for word, dot for dot?' Not a single imam or teacher of islam or scholor ever said it? Brother, learn when you been lied to and for all those muslims that believed this lie for more than 1000 years. You yourself have probably debated or conversated or even said those same very words yourself. Be honest with yourself.
@@enkisuumeria2263 everthing is still the same as it came from the prophet. I can recite the Quran in 3modes, my brother can recite it in 4modes. One of the mode is prophet Muhammad(pbuh) stantard recitation mode. We can also chose to read it in harf or warsh. And we can translate it too. If you can understand the Quran entirely all of those variation in readings and modes they all have the same definition and it has never change word for word, dot for dot since it came frome the prophet himself.
@@weretron well we know thats not true because the breastfeeding verse is missing and so is the stoning so that shows straight away it has not been preserved. Plus you did not answer my question. I asked has no muslims ever said to you 'word for word and dot for dot' which now adnand rashid, mansur, hamza and now mimi hijab have all changed their view on this. There are 7 modes in all but there are more than 30 different arabic qurans whith words and spellings changed. Just like all the muslims in the world, thanks you for not answering my question and rambling about you and your brother. I really wanted to know about your biography instead of the answer to my question.
@@enkisuumeria2263 all Quran printing company must verify thier writing with a council in medina before being printed. Every page must pass at least 500hufaz. Difference in wording are all still within inside the allowed vocabulary. Like for word smart, clever, brilliance whats the difference? King, owner, conquerer of the judgement day. Whats the different in that? Who are you to convince the fish that the water of the ocean is blue? Each of those different recitation only to accomodate the tongue of their local reader. The difference in wording that being used never change the core meaning that are based in the uthmanic codex. I can write "you are stupid" in 10 different language does it ever change the meaning that you are being stupid?
Honestly I feel this is why Hijab struggles to converse with Shamsi. He does possess knowledge but within that knowledge is plenty of pride and arrogance. He went on a tangent about race and white men controlling history and racial eugenics etc but it started with him bringing race into the conversation by saying why should he accept the white man's definition of a word in the dictionary of the language he argues in. He's says to Shamsi that we are in the western world so we must adapt to their ways with the way we push forward our direction from the Quran and Islam but then wants to lose it over a word description by getting mad that a white man gave the description of the word. I don't even understand why lost it and then went all over the place. "Call me a racist call the police so what".... wth 😂
Mashala the patience of Hijab with this hypocrite, dude forces himself to be convinced for something doesn’t exist. The hadiths are explaining all the things he says, Hadith explains ahruf/qira’a and the guy says but no there are more than one way, Yes dude it’s more than one as Hadith states. The ones who are authorized say the one variant is enough like Tabari, then what is your argument
He won't let hijab answer, soon as hijab begins to answer his question he starts talking, and when he does listen he listens to reply not understand very disingenuous.
Muslim daie in the park should bar the Indian hate preacher and expel him from the frame. The Church gives green cards to Indians and Africans of various cultures, along with their devoted followers. Though they may have diverse identities, they work together to spread their message. They incessantly criticize Islam but fail to showcase its positive qualities to the inquisitive.
@@Talebat_Alferdawse that's still a discriminatory comment that does not support truth... It's like saying don't question anyone even if the group is wrong... Because your not the same culture... Racism isn't a logical argument
The victors write the history. If Europeans conquered certain lands or people, doesn’t that give them the advantage of writing history more favorable to themselves?
I think this guys an agent, way too much free time and incentive to learn hadeeths and names of narrators just to refute/provoke Islam/Muslims. Intelligence agencies hire people who are able to learn new languages and cultures quickly, he fits that profile. Doesn’t seem like he’s a devout Christian, never talks about his beliefs, has a very sharp eye for details but still kinda clumsy since he’s not fluent in Arabic or the science of hadeeth. He’s a mini dajjal, there to cause doubts or provoke Muslims, beware U.K. muslims.
Just avoid this guy Chris, he is clearly a troll and not someone who wants to learn or cares to debate. What a liar. Does he think Muslims open our books or hold them during your prayers..? No, we use memorization and we correct each other even if a letter or pronunciation is not done properly this to my knowledge doesn't exist in Christianity.
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by good deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
Lol. Every Prophet(PBUT) was Muslim. If they followed their scriptures and their scriptures were preserved they would automatically harken to the message of the Quran. Allah made us into different groups(nations/religions) of people, but Allah's revelation brings us together.
Not at all your ignorane is the only then lost show us one bit of peservation of the bible ot or nt period you have none our weakest hadith is much better peservation that the enterity of the whole scripture
Hijab wiped the floor with Chris .... Is this the "best" Christians can conjure up and dump in the park? Totally destroyed chris it's embarrassing .... especially when race was bought up .... 🤣🤣🤣 chris was rattled and his weak arguments fell apart as soon as Hijab started naming famous well read Scholars of Islam ....
Hijab has totally lost the plot.whatever he's doing is not Dawah.does he go to the park to spread the msg or argue with ppl.all this time wasted arguing with this guy could have been spent guiding ppl who need guidance.all this can be discussed in a debate ,why waste time in the park? Its more important to Hijab to be right than actually use the time to spread the msg
Stephen, you sound like a strange individual. You claim he has "lost the plot" because he's not inviting people to Islam, but he's doing better than that... He is teaching people about Islam. Teaching what they were previously ignorant about, and clearing any confusions and misconceptions they may have, and thus the chances of them accepting Islam is far greater than merely handing out leaflets, an invitation card or preaching from the pulpit. If you haven't got anything beneficial to share, or commend Hijab for his hard work and effort, especially during the month of fasting, then I suggest you keep your mouth shut, because your toxic bile isn't welcome.
@@gurutruthspeak598 but there is a way to teach.thats why u have good teachers n bad teachers.there is a way to engage ur audience.especially if its one on one then u need to guage the type of person ur talking to n change ur approach.untimately the aim is to give guidance but when u get confrontational or go on tangents then the other person puts up a wall n ur msg does not go thru.not critiquing Hijabs motivation ,just his methods.of course if u think im just spewing bile ,then pay no attention to me.successfull communication includes body language,tone of voice etc.the msg is fine but what about the delivery?
Numbers 23:19 New International Version 19 God is not human,(A) that he should lie,(B) not a human being, that he should change his mind.(C) Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise(D) and not fulfill. GOD ALMIGHTY SAYS: THAT HE CAN NOT BE A HUMAN. PAGAN CHRISTIANS SAY : GOD BECAME A HUMAM . WHOM TO BELIEVE????
What he's saying isn't racist it's just the reality race plays in scholarship, he's not saying being one race or another is better or worse at all he's saying being one race doing scholarship about another race it's very likely your work has been influenced in some way from your culture... I think you are missing the point that this works both ways and the only reason he's saying "white" is because that's predominantly the race of western academia which is being applied to the east which is predominantly a different race. Muhammad's point about race applies to eastern scholarship about the west also and very clearly stated at: 11:34 "you have to appreciate there can be a bias that has to do with race, there can be a bias that has to do with placement and geography"
His point still stands. Why does he have to accept a white man’s definition of what perfect preservation means? He literally explained to him 2 major Islamic scholarly opinions on perfect preservation and he rejects that and pushes a western definition on him?
Hijab isn’t a racist- it’s clear as day he isn’t. What he’s saying is true. Most of the hyper rationalist language and rhetoric that is used to disparage Islam and other groups/ideologies are products of Western thinkers who happen to be white. “The white savior” complex for example, is a term used to illustrate how White people of the past implicitly considered themselves superior to their colored counterparts. They would often cite how colored people weren’t civilized, how they were savage, backwards, and needed to be taken out of the jungle so to speak. This still happens to this day. Colored people are deemed as more backwards, that we don’t take care of our women, that we need the “white savior” to come to our lands and show us the way. None of this is being racist. It’s the reality of history. Look at secular liberalism for example. It’s the most violent religion in the planet today but no one ever seems to realize it. Why ?
@@mswimboo I’m not trying to explain something he didn’t explain.. he explained it clear enough for me to understand his meaning but not for you so I tried to help, his choice of words aren’t ones Id use simply because you need to be clear when using those terms which is very hard to do so Id settle for “western scholarship would potentially have an unconscious bias on topics outside western culture” or something. Using terms like “white” or “black” aren’t inherently racist you just need to be extremely accurate in your speech afterwards and not talk to people who can’t comprehend what you’re saying which the other guy did multiple times in this interaction and others in the past sadly. He even clearly states he doesn’t reject or accept the scholarship based on the colour of the skin he looks at the merit of the work itself but he’s saying you have to be aware of the bias that would naturally be there.
When we use the word white man that refers tothe countries of the West, especially Europe and America, And precisely politics and culture We are not talking about racism,
"I can debate with 10 people who are knowledgeable but I will be defeated by the ignorant, because ignorant people will never understand the basic of knowledge" (Imam Syafi'i)
Exactly without lies !slam dies.
!zlam is intellectually bankrupt
This is a clear example of why this dude lost his job as a school teacher… he utters such nonsense.. and now it’s racism 🤦🏼♀️
@@jerusalem5646 shut up you s tupid brother muhammed was talking the truth as it is and he answered all of the repeated questions from that i gnorant kid that obviously trying to get an attention and to be known.
syed zukarbain syed, what?! re phrase what you are saying for everybody to understand. So what is it you are trying to say?
@@defendthefaith2415 He is upset because M.Hijab said "PRESERVATION IS NOT THAT THERE'S NO VARIANTS". thus proving quran is not preserved
To be honest I think Chris doesn't want to learn he is only trying to find error in the Qur'an simply because the Bible was not preserved..
Yes he clearly said that in first part of this video series
@@mirsalondon8829 The addition of diacritical marks in a mushaf ( manuscipt) does not change the content in the manuscript! *SMH* This is not even a valid criticism of the preservation! Do you know why they were added in the first place? And that we have mushafs without them?
@@nuhashahmed7692 well said brother diacritical marks are added to facilitate the reading of the Quranic text in a specific way and to pronounce words correctly with a correct intonation that the prophet used to read or recite these people doesn't know anything about our language and they lack the basic knowledge of our language yet you find them argue against our religion as if they spent 20 years studying it they differ about language of their bibles yet they want to argue against the Quran with zero knowledge in the first place.
Pasulay Jeng, the question is, is the qurans presserved?
Chris schooled the GSB to the point all the GSB had was racism. He's an embarrassment.
He is ignorant of cultural empiricism / orientalism and its influence on academic bias against the Islamic tradition
Wallahi I love brother Muhammad Hijab may Allah SWT protect and preserve him and the entire Dawah team .... Ameen Ya Rabb
Brother Muhammad Hijab protected the Honour of The Noble Glorious Qur'an and proved that every mode of The Noble Glorious Qur'an is protected and Preserved by Allah SWT
وفقكم الله لما يحبه و يدرضاه.
وفقكم الله لما يحبه و يرضاه
I enjoyed the whole 3 part series of this conversation and to be honest I did learn quite a lot. Got nothing against Chris, and in fact he has some interesting questions (although its quite clear he's trying to find errors rather than genuinely learn about Islam), but Mohammed addresses those questions very eloquently. The final portion around the imposition of western definitions and criteria for scholarly texts was very interesting as well and a very valid point made by Mohammed. Pigmentation of skin is 100% a factor, both historically and in current times (post-colonialism).
It's got nothing to do with pigmentation; Hijab himself has clarified his usage of the term "white man" refers to the archetypical Western (post-)colonial mindset. Racism has no place in the heart of a Muslim.
this was pretty amazing from our brother hijab , a specially trying to explain something that complicated to someone who's not Arab ,while nearly all the main, major sources of it it's in a very casical Arabic
جزاك الله خيرا
I like what Hijab is saying.
If I don't like the definition of a werd or term, i can reject it, or eye can change it. If eye give an analogy and it doesn't werk out, I can give another analogee without admitting I was wrong. So too, I can spell werds anyway I want to and not be rong because the dictionary was written by a white man who has never been Afreaka.
The issue is, white western scholarship often has biased views based on western morality such as liberalism etc which other countries do not agree with. It’s a genuine point.
No, it puts primacy of logic and proof. You adopt racism to avoid confronting the fact claiming there's a perfectly preserved single Koran is illogical when there's 37 Arabic Korans, at least.
@@josm1481 Qirat? Why do you speak about something you’ve skim read on islamphobic websites. Don’t speak on things you don’t understand. Read a book.
@@hboi965 which of the 37 books, that you claim are identical, should I read?
All you can do is ad hom and deflect like a coward. Address the points or stay quiet?
@@josm1481 the definition of "perfect" is not a fact, its a subjective term, hijab was right, because thabari is very great scholar too and he has very clear explanation what the "perfect" mean, and just because it is differ from the western (which mostly white) schoolar definition, doesnt mean thabari wrong, thats the hijab point, its not about the race
@@mbaharuddindstaba1320 no, perfect is an absolute. When you are wrong about basic definitions then you are going to be wrong about everything else.
And Hijab is a racist coward, who hates white people and liberalism but refuses to leave a predominantly white, liberal country. That's the acid test of how fake his and all Western Ms views are. Complaining but staying. Like a teenager to their parents.
"Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe." (QS 2:6)
12:00 the old man was so pressed he called for backup! another grandpa lol
There is a confusion in the beginning. Hijab means white authority not white skin.
No, he's a vile racist and he made the clear.
What skin colour were the last known slaves in Egypt, his own country as he put it?
He means White as in Europeans as in Roman's copying Jewish scriptures to make Bible
His insincere shock and pretending that he's insulted about the race issue is actually hilarious. He knows exactly what Hijab is saying
Na brother, I think he was sincere and was genuinely CLEARLY offended.
@@Discrete222 ye possibly bit still I think he knew where Hijab was coming from...
He was not sincere so many times, with Shamsi, with Raihan, Hamza, Paul and now Hijab. This issue he raised was dismantled many times by Raihan & Hamzah and then Paul. Not surprised he's doing it again
Mohamed hijab sounds racist IMO …..
@@mirsalondon8829 I believe he said more sense. Let me tell you in Asian, most white people believe they are better, superior than us. Because they colonised most Asian countries. And he knows that race superiority comes from Britain and US. Which is why Black Matters issues comes from.
The guy looks like the actor of the Game Night cop. 😂
It is very good perception by Br Hijab about the about western definitions/ scholarship and why we dont need to accept them just because a shite person wrote it.
Charles Murray, leader of race realism has his books reviewed very favorably by people like Bill Clinton. Sam Harris and many other popular figures have circulated and supported his views to various extents. This is just one example.
The fact the white dude wants to be offended instead of understanding what MH is saying is frustrating. Yes it’s wrong to make any sort of value judgements based on race (MH agrees here) but people still do anyways, especially through channels that are deemed to be objective and free of bias, such as academia (here the dude fails to understand this)
He even says academia is the least racist place. Omg Hijab was literally citing for him eugenics programs of hitler that had their start in United States. In fact it was American books on race by anthropologist and academics that influenced hitler the most.
Instead of trying to cry and be offended this guy could’ve learned something. I say this as someone who doesn’t like Mohammed Hijab too.
I get what Hijab means when hes saying "Why should we listen, or accept, something as truth because it's a white man" but it comes off wrong because he doesn't explain, thats why it comes off as racist.
He's not saying because they are white men he rejects them, hes asking as to "Why" should I accept them just because they are white. 4:44 he touches on it here.
I love mohammed hijab but for me this was the one and only time I have seen him triggered and border line losing control of himself. I dont believe Chris said anything that provocative to get that reaction from Mr Hijab. Mohammed was beautifull in everything he said (like always) but normally he would say the word western and then use the word white in a softer way. I felt sorry for chris because i dont think he deserved that tbh. Mr Hijab could never do wrong in my eyes but I just wanted to point that out.
Why couldn't Hijab do wrong? He is human like us all.
I like how the old man in the back looks.
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@16:19 this hahahah 😂
He uses hadith from Bukhari to try to prove that Quran is not preserved. Think about the logic of that.
🤣🤣🤣
They shouldn't debate him he is not sincere.
"2+2 = 4" and that's quick mafs 16:38
Very good hijab 👍👍
Someone is being cited @8:11 and you’re rejecting them partly because of the color of their skin. With all due respect, you are forgetting that we have an issue with their ideology, not their skin color.
How about you just say: “Westerners” or “Orientalists” or something like that instead of being so insensitive.
Because they belong to the greater western civilization, and because in Islam we have different standards and this imperial intellectual dominance is tied to a history of colonialism where white men imposed (still continue to impose their worldview/paradigm on the rest for the world such as with supranational organizations and liberal universities)
I understand what Chris is trying to say however in Islam these variants are identified and traced back to the Prophet Muhammed pbuh and also these variants do not contradict each other. Praise be to Allah. Unlike the other books which contradict themselves.
He was also trying to find out if all possible variants were preserved, not just those we have today. If a variant was disregarded or conflicted, but was not considered during the unification, there could well be conflicts which have been edited out. Decent debate though
They either look at the Qu'ran with christian lenses or western lenses. They subject western way of thinking to a middle eastern text.
Shaky McShakingson is back !
Even after Hijab beautifully summed up and put to bed any criticisms at the end, Chris still in his arrogants tried to force down his definitions and terminologies. Chris why does the world have to bend to the authority of western (majority white authority, just to clear things I am not saying because of someone's skin they are wrong or we reject it however I am pointing this out to show you this race thought history shows a lot of bias and especially this race when it comes to academic discussions. Hijab means white authority not white skin, not because the color of there skin makes them wrong but that they show a lot of bias towards it, you see the difference or you still think this is a racist? lol) so why do we have to bend to the thoughts and feelings of western scholarship? Why is that the only place you are taking your knowledge from? There are thousands if not millions of other academics in other regions races and ideologies that also have definitions and thoughts about the same words but have different interpretations. How do you decided who is speaking more of the truth. This is what hijab was trying to point out to you. The world doesn't have to accept the wests terms because what gives them that authority? nothing, they are not god, they are super subjective. It must be objective more like 1+1=2 and not something like "perfect" means something is smooth so its perfect, but someone else can just say no for what the object is even though it isn't smooth its perfect for what it was made to be.... both completely subjective, so now if that object isn't smooth is it not perfect or is it perfect cause its exactly what is suppose to be?. So that is why you must broaden your scope. Honestly Chris you weren't here to learn and that was apparent, you did say yourself you came to debate, but all your motives were so bias because since you cant sleep because the bible wasn't preserved which you admitted, and now that you beliefs and salvation has come to question, instead of rethinking your outlook you are trying to bring down others scripters to make yourself feel better about your own. Even if other scripters weren't preserved, that doesn't then make yours "more" of the truth???! Yours has holes, contradictions, preservation issues, rethink your beliefs first rather than trying to attack others cause you seem to be loosing in both your own home ground and the visitors.
Stop defending the vile racist.
@@josm1481 😂😂😂, I don’t think you understand the term but okie have a nice life
@@rumi- I do. He's a racist and very clearly so. He couldn't help himself.
If you didn't see it you're a racist too.
Arabs and Turks are the only races not to slave traded since the 7th century. What skin colour were the last known slaves in the GSBs home country of Egypt?
@@josm1481 what did he say was racist, all he is asking is why do we “ONLY” have to accept western scholarship? (Which is predominately white males, and if you look at history what they did to the world colonial wise who have forced there views on to others) Why do we have to accept terms and ideologies that are filled with clear bias and historical atrocities. You never understood the conversation from the start. You hear one thing that sounds weird take it out of context and scream racism. You and your views are weak so that’s why you have to latch in to your emotional views cause you can’t back up your intellectual one’s. Have a good day mate, I’m not gonna waste my time with someone who didn’t understand the conversation in the first place.
Hijab did not engaged with the argument of preservation of Islam instead brought out race card
Your wrong tho your clearly watching on 2x speed , it was Chris that made a big deal out of it , Br Hijab was literally about to finish his point before Chris started complaining. He’s the one who deviated
it was going well until Chris could not grasp facts about the scholars race. HIjab was stating a fact doesnt matter what color they are its just a fact western scholars he was refering to were mostly white but Chris took it from a perspective of racism.
Hijab doesn't know what ahruf and qirat means 😅
How is no muslim talking about mimi hijab confirming no presevation.
Noboday? Blind fools.
Coz we understand what he really means. If you mean preservation by only one to one copy with no variation no we dont have that. Our preservation has more wider range. All variation thats has been verified that it came from the prophet are acceptable and uthmanic codex act as the center guidelines for all other mode of recitation.
@@weretron hahahahahaha so you as a muslim are telling me that you never grew up with all your muslim family and friends telling you that 'Every quran is the same, word for word, dot for dot?' Not a single imam or teacher of islam or scholor ever said it? Brother, learn when you been lied to and for all those muslims that believed this lie for more than 1000 years. You yourself have probably debated or conversated or even said those same very words yourself.
Be honest with yourself.
@@enkisuumeria2263 everthing is still the same as it came from the prophet. I can recite the Quran in 3modes, my brother can recite it in 4modes. One of the mode is prophet Muhammad(pbuh) stantard recitation mode. We can also chose to read it in harf or warsh. And we can translate it too. If you can understand the Quran entirely all of those variation in readings and modes they all have the same definition and it has never change word for word, dot for dot since it came frome the prophet himself.
@@weretron well we know thats not true because the breastfeeding verse is missing and so is the stoning so that shows straight away it has not been preserved.
Plus you did not answer my question. I asked has no muslims ever said to you 'word for word and dot for dot' which now adnand rashid, mansur, hamza and now mimi hijab have all changed their view on this.
There are 7 modes in all but there are more than 30 different arabic qurans whith words and spellings changed.
Just like all the muslims in the world, thanks you for not answering my question and rambling about you and your brother. I really wanted to know about your biography instead of the answer to my question.
@@enkisuumeria2263 all Quran printing company must verify thier writing with a council in medina before being printed. Every page must pass at least 500hufaz. Difference in wording are all still within inside the allowed vocabulary. Like for word smart, clever, brilliance whats the difference? King, owner, conquerer of the judgement day. Whats the different in that? Who are you to convince the fish that the water of the ocean is blue? Each of those different recitation only to accomodate the tongue of their local reader. The difference in wording that being used never change the core meaning that are based in the uthmanic codex. I can write "you are stupid" in 10 different language does it ever change the meaning that you are being stupid?
Honestly I feel this is why Hijab struggles to converse with Shamsi. He does possess knowledge but within that knowledge is plenty of pride and arrogance. He went on a tangent about race and white men controlling history and racial eugenics etc but it started with him bringing race into the conversation by saying why should he accept the white man's definition of a word in the dictionary of the language he argues in. He's says to Shamsi that we are in the western world so we must adapt to their ways with the way we push forward our direction from the Quran and Islam but then wants to lose it over a word description by getting mad that a white man gave the description of the word. I don't even understand why lost it and then went all over the place. "Call me a racist call the police so what".... wth 😂
Mashala the patience of Hijab with this hypocrite, dude forces himself to be convinced for something doesn’t exist.
The hadiths are explaining all the things he says, Hadith explains ahruf/qira’a and the guy says but no there are more than one way, Yes dude it’s more than one as Hadith states.
The ones who are authorized say the one variant is enough like Tabari, then what is your argument
He won't let hijab answer, soon as hijab begins to answer his question he starts talking, and when he does listen he listens to reply not understand very disingenuous.
Muslim daie in the park should bar the Indian hate preacher and expel him from the frame. The Church gives green cards to Indians and Africans of various cultures, along with their devoted followers. Though they may have diverse identities, they work together to spread their message. They incessantly criticize Islam but fail to showcase its positive qualities to the inquisitive.
Why did Hijab derail the conversation by making it about race?
This Chris guy trying to teach Muslims their religion.
Dam hijab this was embarrassing to watch....
I think he means western scholars. And he use white men because most of western people are white ... He doesn't mean their skin
@@Talebat_Alferdawse that's still a discriminatory comment that does not support truth...
It's like saying don't question anyone even if the group is wrong... Because your not the same culture...
Racism isn't a logical argument
The victors write the history. If Europeans conquered certain lands or people, doesn’t that give them the advantage of writing history more favorable to themselves?
History is scientific method. The GSB lost this badly.
I think this guys an agent, way too much free time and incentive to learn hadeeths and names of narrators just to refute/provoke Islam/Muslims. Intelligence agencies hire people who are able to learn new languages and cultures quickly, he fits that profile. Doesn’t seem like he’s a devout Christian, never talks about his beliefs, has a very sharp eye for details but still kinda clumsy since he’s not fluent in Arabic or the science of hadeeth. He’s a mini dajjal, there to cause doubts or provoke Muslims, beware U.K. muslims.
lol
CHRIS THE CLOWN
Why this is denying the reality?
Just avoid this guy Chris, he is clearly a troll and not someone who wants to learn or cares to debate. What a liar. Does he think Muslims open our books or hold them during your prayers..? No, we use memorization and we correct each other even if a letter or pronunciation is not done properly this to my knowledge doesn't exist in Christianity.
the xtian face of lies?
Muhamed hijab talking foolishly again
Hijab got schooled, and then got personal 😂
This was terrible, may Allah guide the white man ameen Im white 2
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Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
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Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by good deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
Lol. Every Prophet(PBUT) was Muslim. If they followed their scriptures and their scriptures were preserved they would automatically harken to the message of the Quran.
Allah made us into different groups(nations/religions) of people, but Allah's revelation brings us together.
Hijab lost this one
Not at all your ignorane is the only then lost show us one bit of peservation of the bible ot or nt period you have none our weakest hadith is much better peservation that the enterity of the whole scripture
Hijab wiped the floor with Chris ....
Is this the "best" Christians can conjure up and dump in the park?
Totally destroyed chris it's embarrassing .... especially when race was bought up .... 🤣🤣🤣
chris was rattled and his weak arguments fell apart as soon as Hijab started naming famous well read Scholars of Islam ....
Hijab has totally lost the plot.whatever he's doing is not Dawah.does he go to the park to spread the msg or argue with ppl.all this time wasted arguing with this guy could have been spent guiding ppl who need guidance.all this can be discussed in a debate ,why waste time in the park? Its more important to Hijab to be right than actually use the time to spread the msg
Stephen, you sound like a strange individual. You claim he has "lost the plot" because he's not inviting people to Islam, but he's doing better than that... He is teaching people about Islam. Teaching what they were previously ignorant about, and clearing any confusions and misconceptions they may have, and thus the chances of them accepting Islam is far greater than merely handing out leaflets, an invitation card or preaching from the pulpit.
If you haven't got anything beneficial to share, or commend Hijab for his hard work and effort, especially during the month of fasting, then I suggest you keep your mouth shut, because your toxic bile isn't welcome.
@@gurutruthspeak598 but there is a way to teach.thats why u have good teachers n bad teachers.there is a way to engage ur audience.especially if its one on one then u need to guage the type of person ur talking to n change ur approach.untimately the aim is to give guidance but when u get confrontational or go on tangents then the other person puts up a wall n ur msg does not go thru.not critiquing Hijabs motivation ,just his methods.of course if u think im just spewing bile ,then pay no attention to me.successfull communication includes body language,tone of voice etc.the msg is fine but what about the delivery?
Numbers 23:19
New International Version
19 God is not human,(A) that he should lie,(B)
not a human being, that he should change his mind.(C)
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise(D) and not fulfill.
GOD ALMIGHTY SAYS: THAT HE CAN NOT BE A HUMAN.
PAGAN CHRISTIANS SAY :
GOD BECAME A HUMAM .
WHOM TO BELIEVE????
lGets caught in his wrongful interpretations I have no time for his BS answers and questions
I'm white and Muslim I think hijab really wrong here just stupid argument
I totally agree with you and I am half white
What he's saying isn't racist it's just the reality race plays in scholarship, he's not saying being one race or another is better or worse at all he's saying being one race doing scholarship about another race it's very likely your work has been influenced in some way from your culture... I think you are missing the point that this works both ways and the only reason he's saying "white" is because that's predominantly the race of western academia which is being applied to the east which is predominantly a different race.
Muhammad's point about race applies to eastern scholarship about the west also and very clearly stated at: 11:34 "you have to appreciate there can be a bias that has to do with race, there can be a bias that has to do with placement and geography"
His point still stands. Why does he have to accept a white man’s definition of what perfect preservation means? He literally explained to him 2 major Islamic scholarly opinions on perfect preservation and he rejects that and pushes a western definition on him?
Hijab isn’t a racist- it’s clear as day he isn’t. What he’s saying is true. Most of the hyper rationalist language and rhetoric that is used to disparage Islam and other groups/ideologies are products of Western thinkers who happen to be white.
“The white savior” complex for example, is a term used to illustrate how White people of the past implicitly considered themselves superior to their colored counterparts. They would often cite how colored people weren’t civilized, how they were savage, backwards, and needed to be taken out of the jungle so to speak.
This still happens to this day. Colored people are deemed as more backwards, that we don’t take care of our women, that we need the “white savior” to come to our lands and show us the way.
None of this is being racist. It’s the reality of history. Look at secular liberalism for example. It’s the most violent religion in the planet today but no one ever seems to realize it. Why ?
@@mswimboo I’m not trying to explain something he didn’t explain.. he explained it clear enough for me to understand his meaning but not for you so I tried to help, his choice of words aren’t ones Id use simply because you need to be clear when using those terms which is very hard to do so Id settle for “western scholarship would potentially have an unconscious bias on topics outside western culture” or something. Using terms like “white” or “black” aren’t inherently racist you just need to be extremely accurate in your speech afterwards and not talk to people who can’t comprehend what you’re saying which the other guy did multiple times in this interaction and others in the past sadly.
He even clearly states he doesn’t reject or accept the scholarship based on the colour of the skin he looks at the merit of the work itself but he’s saying you have to be aware of the bias that would naturally be there.
why cant bro hijab be more simple and more kinder to non muslims, we see other da'ees have better etiquette than hijab
Wasn’t Mohammed White?
Brown
When we use the word white man that refers tothe countries of the West, especially Europe and America,
And precisely politics and culture We are not talking about racism,
Yes Mohammed was white
@@yassinekhalfi stop 🛑 fooling yourself… deep down your racist.. if you don’t like the appearance of a person skin colour
The several Quran variants were burned by Uthman.. so how can you be so sure your Quran is preserved? Stop lying🤣