I love how utterly unphased and calm Mathew is about the entire torture scene in Six Hundred Strike, it's so funny to me how he's like "Well I feel like this is quite cathartic for Odysseus, he's getting out a lot!" and cracking jokes as Poseidon is getting stabbed over and over again. It's like tonal whiplash, it's so good.
I think that the canon interpretation of the beginning of 600 Strike is that Odysseus comes so close to death that he's not just haunted by the memories of the spirits anymore, but he's actually about to enter the underworld. But because he just manages to avoid death he comes back imbued with the strength of all of those souls, so he literally hits Poseidon with the strength of 600 men.
Ya, and also while they may blame his judgment to a degree, he is calling apon them to strike at the thing that killed them, so they are willing to help regardless
hard to say??? Jorge hasn't really spoken about 600 strikes much - there are a lot of popular fan theories, such as Ody's dormant divine blood awakening, Ares lending a hand, the spirits actively helping him, etc. but Jorge hasn't commented on anything yet.
@Dracon350 I'm drawing a distinction between the animatic Matthew watched in this video which portrayed the voices as flashbacks, and the livestream visuals which are confirmed canon and depicts the shades preparing to drag Ody into Hades. I suppose that is technically the end of GITW, but it does immediately lead into 600.
Let's recall Tiresia's words "I see you drew your FINAL breath" so yeah, for a second, for a moment, he collapses; he dies. And then "I see a man who gets to make it home alive...BUT IS NOT LONGER YOU" Ladies and gens, say your welcomes to the final form of Monster Odysseus. Perfection, it's perfection.
I saw someone else’s headcannon on another Epic video for why Poseidon is so affected by being stabbed that made a lot of sense: Since Gods are super powerful, they rarely get hurt that badly, so when they do, they act like babies about it.
I think that's also kinda canon, bc iirc there was a part in the Iliad when some gods were on the battlefield, one of the greeks hit Ares with a javelin or something and he went to Zeus to cry about it.
The God's and Titan's from Pantheons actually feel pain. Like when Prometheus was punished for stealing fire from the God's and giving it to the humans (in Greek mythology), he was bound to a cliff and every day and eagle would snip off some of his liver. It would regenerate back fast but he still felt it every day
Calypso did indeed imprison Odysseus for those 7 years, the only reason he could leave is because Zeus (and subsequently Hermes) told her she needed to let him go
She didn't imprison him, they were both stuck because "no one can come or go", which includes her. You're close enough though, so credit where credit is due!
@@karolinebergin9347 The song is not entirely accurate because calypso is the daughter of atlas so she is also imprisoned there because she was with her dad who was a titan during the titan war but she did her best to try and make it so Odysseus would want to stay
@@karolinebergin9347It’s less that she kept you imprisoned and more she forced you to do things against your will. Yes, he didn’t want to be there and he was stuck there, but so was she. She did however force him to love her and constantly tried to get him to sleep with her in Epic. In the actual Odyssey, she did SA him because he didn’t really want it and the power imbalance between a man and an all powerful goddess is really large. Just to clarify, I’m not excusing her in any way. She was manipulative and just overall not a good person but she didn’t imprison him.
Fun fact time: (First off, highly encourage you to check out the livestream. Won’t say anything from that in case you want to check it out. They went crazy). Now, The little Winion in Dangerous is voiced by Jorge’s sister. The Different Beast theme starts playing when Odysseus tells Poseidon to call off the storm, because he’s now the monster (a canon visual is Odysseus’ red glowing eyes meaning he turned into the Monster). “Maybe you could learn to forgive” is sung with the notes of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.” During the torture scene, very subtly, Tiresias’ theme plays in the back. All of his prophecies have come to pass.
It bears mentioning that humans actually COULD contest the gods in greek mythology. During the Illiad (story of the trojan war) Diomedes saw Aphrodite whisking wounded trojans to safety behind Troy's walls, and shoots her with an arrow to make her back off. Similarly he also shoots Ares, the freaking god of war. Theres also the tale of Sisyphus, where Sisyphus convinces his wife to not perform a proper burial for him and leverages that to convince Hades to give him another day to live so he can convince his wife to bury him properly. At which point Sisyphus refuses to return to the underworld and sneaks up on Thanatos when he comes to take Sisyphus back. Beats up a god and stuffs him into a bag. Or Arachne, who in some stories was a weaver so incredibly talented that she beat one of the gods in a competition and was then turned into a spider monster for the crime of surpassing a god. Basically, there is precedent for individual people overcoming gods.
@Sleepydemonart Yes she did, because Athena is the one Arachne was competing against. So drpending on which version of the myth you follow, either Arachne lost and Athena punishes her for her pride by turning her into a spider sobthat she can practise weaving forever, OR Arachne beat Athena and then Athena turned her into a spider bc 'Excuse tf out of you, Im a goddess, youre not allowed to beat me. Be a spider now, how dare you embarrass me.'
Idk if this is to imply they’re not really his friends for doing that but even his Mom was there lol (and Polites was undeniably his best friend as much as I love Eurylochus), we don’t exactly know how literal the scene is or if they were even there since he also hears them in Love in Paradise, but if anything it’s them saying it’s okay to let go not trying to kill him lmao
Most of the prophet’s remaining words came true: “I see you on the brink of death.” * Drowning in the ocean * “I see you draw your final breath.” * Those last air bubbles as the screen faded to black* “I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s _no longer you.”_ *Odysseus’ eyes turn red, just like the vision Tiresias showed him of the Monster he would become. * Odysseus “died”. The Monster took his place.
From what i remember, calypso’s curse is they nobody can leave her island. Including her. She’s trapped too. So while yes it is uncomfortable that she’s singing about loving Odysseus too much despite kidnapping him, she is also very lonely and longs for true love. She’s kinda doomed to a sad ending. So it is a conflicting song to me 😂you can’t help but feel a bit sorry for her.
Does kidnapping have another definition I'm not aware of? Because I'm pretty sure he just washed ashore there by chance and couldn't exactly leave because.. well, "no one can come or go"
No, in both the musical and the Odyssey proper, Odysseus just makes a raft and leaves, while Calypso is magically trapped, Odysseus was only trapped because of Calypso
@@HellIsForeverWithInfinite She _technically_ didn't kidnap him as it only fulfills the "Holding them captive" part of it, but I'd say it's still an accurate word
@@HellIsForeverWithInfinitenot kidnapping in the sense that she’s the reason he’s there. But it is implied in the og play that her magic (even if indirectly since she’s cursed) keeps him there. Also, in the play calypso is a lot more of a creep with odyssey and is trying to get him to sleep with her. In fact some interpretations of the play suggest she did compel Odysseus to sleep with her. So some argue she did ‘kidnap’ him because she loved him.
Odysious's last name is Adamides, just fyi. Edit 1: Poseidon is the god of horses becouse he created them from sea foam in an attempt to win a contest against Athena, Athena created the olive tree. Eddit 2: In greek mythology it is possible for mortals to beat Gods, Diomedes beat both Ares and Aphrodite in the Trojan War
You were right initially. Calypso DID trap him against his will for 7 years. She did abuse and manipulate him. The entirety of “I’m Not Sorry for Loving You” is her last ditch manipulation tactic which is why you picked up language used by abusers.
Calypso sided with the titans in the war against the gods. When the gods won, Zeus trapped her on her island with absolutely no one. She’s SUPER LONELY. When Zeus kills all of his remaining crew in thunder bringer, it’s supposed to be on his ship, which gets destroyed. He washes Ody onto Calypso’s island since he controls who comes and goes from there. Calypso initially thinks it’s an act of rare benevolence from Zeus toward her, but in reality it’s a punishment for Ody because his #1 character trait is “wife guy”. Zeus wants him to either get SA’ed by Calypso or to cheat on his wife when he eventually gets lonely enough. Neither he nor Calypso can leave of their own volition. Hermes goes to get Ody because he’s the messenger god sending a message for Zeus. Also, he’s picking up his great grandson. Either way, Calypso is super manipulative and creepy in her “love”(read: obsession) for Ody. Ody cares for her because it’s been 7 years and hating someone for that long would drive him crazy when he thinks it will be for the rest of his life.
Although many argue that odysseus was into circe, he was NOT into calypso. When he slept with her, it was described as “one willing, one unwilling.” And every day he cried on the beach of ithaca
She imprisoned him and really loves him, both things are true. The love may or may not be from a curse (versions vary) or just from isolation and him being the only man she's met for centuries, but she really does love him she just has NO idea how to do that properly and does very bad things with it.
As far as the Epic version, i dont feel like she loves him. I feel like she's attention-starved, and latched onto Odysseus. Shes more like, obsessed. I think this because she confessed her "love" before dude even was awake, and he immediately let her know he wasnt available, and he even wanted to kms bc of her, and she still kept pushing. Thats not love
For clarification before anybody else spreads annoying misinformation: Calypso was never cursed to fall in love with anyone who ends up on her island, that comes from the PJO books and is not in any of the myths whatsoever.
@@sylvirgiomanach1491 Infatuation is technically a form of love. A very twisted, delulu, and unhealthy love. It's not at all the proper love that people in a relationship have for each other. Thing is Calypso can't tell the difference and that's a major problem
You don't get it, Mathew! Odysseus gained a very important power, the power of PLOT! lol Also the only reason Calypso isn't more hated is because her voice is absolutely angelic and her songs SLAP, everything else about her boils my blood personally.
Hmm, fair, but Calypso as a character is one of my favorites because it's such an interesting moral quandary. What she did was indeed objectively wrong, however, consider: she's been trapped there alone since she was a little kid (at least according to Epic, original myth differs slightly), she's had little to no human interaction, no role models, no chance to actually become an adult, and her island provides everything she needs to survive in surplus, so it's not even like she has the challenges of survival to help her mature. Essentially, despite being well over a hundred years old, she's just a kid, and a neglected one at that. Trapped in a place that never changes with no one to talk to, who could just give up the only person theyve really known, with the knowledge that once theyre gone, you're alone again and you dont know for how long? Apologies about the minor essay, I get overly attached to lonely characters 🫠
15:58 Horses because when a wave comes in on a beach the sea foam looks like dust kicked up by running horses and earthquakes, my best guess is because earthquakes cause tsunamis
Ody is 1/8 god because he’s Hermes’ great grandson. Also, there are theories that Ares backed Ody on Athena’s behalf because she promised him more bloodshed if Ody made it back to Ithaca before Zeus beat the shit out of her (killed her?). Poseidon also lost the backing of Olympus (at least on the matter of Ody) when Athena convinced the other gods to let Ody free to go home.
It had been 20 years since the war, so its possible that they've changed to the point that their love has changed but as we can see in the song legendary penelope stayed true to her love but she is probably tired from having to stay strong as a queen and to her love odyssey when she had no idea if he was dead or alive not to mention the pressure from the suitors to choose a new husband and king.
It's not that a god has to have his weapon, it's that the weapon is a "god's weapon" it's strong enough to fight the other gods. Thus it's power and strength is strong enough to kill him. It was a "I can't kill you, but you can fall on your own sward" situation.
Calypso absouloutly imprisoned Odyseus. in the song love in paradise it was made very clear that Ody was NOT ok with Calypsos actions, including getting to the point he wanted to "delete himself"
So to note: Odysseus’ “last breath” that the prophet mentioned was at the end of Get in the Water - also Idk why this isn’t being shown that well in the animatics I’ve seen out so far, but the souls are supposed to be trying to drag Odysseus down to the underworld to die like they did… idk why that’s not always shown so well
2:45 There's 3 interpretations, 1 where he liked her but in Epic he never cheated with Circe- he's too loyal- so that interpretation is obviously thrown out the window
If I’m recalling correctly, Calypso is the daughter of a Titan and Zeus put her on the island to never, EVER see anyone ever again as part of a punishment for the war against the Titans. She is trapped on the island as much as Odysseus was - she was just alone for far, far longer and will remain alone long after he is dead.
No, you weren’t wrong about Calypso, she did imprison him. I’ve seen some people claim this isn’t the case based on the lore of the Odyssey but Athena tells us in Love in Paradise that “Seven years she’s (calypso) kept you trapped out of your control.”
1 : this is the direct sequel of god games from the wisdom saga in which Athena tried to convince the other gods to set Odysseus free from Calypso. (She’s the one who « fought » for him idk why Hermes didn’t just tell Odysseus it was her lmao he loves drama for sure) 2 : Odysseus is a half god actually Hermes is his « uncle » if we can call it that which explains why Hermes is always present for him. Hermes told him in Dangerous « I know if you dance with fate you’ll enhance your state » which implied that Odysseus would receive divine blessing for him to be able to make it through and how do we see it ? He’s showing signs of anger and distress which in Jorge’s words are what Ares’ quick thought causes so yeah I think that Odysseus was blessed by Ares cause Ares just can’t wait to see Odysseus fight the suitors lmao 3 : Just giving my own views on what’s happening with Poseidon I think he’s too stunned seeing Odysseus fight back to do anything at first and then he’s just too wounded and weak to act when Odysseus tortures him. Also to me Poseidon is that person who blames you for things that they do too so he blames Odysseus for being a monster here but he is one too and he also told him to be one 4 : For Calypso she did imprison him I think because If it wasn’t her why would Hermes need to talk to her to let Odysseus go ? They don’t owe her anything Hermes could’ve just told Odysseus that he could go and Odysseus would’ve said his goodbyes to Calypso if he wanted to. I also think that what she’s doing is definitely manipulation, she’s completely in the wrong although I do understand why she acts that way, she’s still not a good person no matter how you put it. Now we can all agree that her VA, Wangui has a magnificent voice which does make it hard to hate Calypso lmao
Why Ody could hurt Poseidon::::: Poseidon has, at least in Epic the Musical, only been able to use his godly powers IN the water. In the livestream animatic and in this one, Poseidon is on land, and also without a trident. The trident is a godly weapon, so it can hurt Poseidon. Poseidon could, in theory, wait him out. However, a fan theory I personally enjoy shares that because Gods don’t get hurt often (via mortals) - that when they do - they’re big babies about it.
Fun Fact: Greek Mythology is nothing but fanfiction. So Greek Poets, Apollodorus claims Odysseus had a son with Calypso, and Hesiod claims he had twins with her.
I love your Epic videos! They're so genuine and hilarious. I wanted to say Not Sorry For Loving You can be interpreted two different ways: one, it can be viewed through the lens of the Odyssey, where Calypso was holding him hostiage, or it can be viewed as Calypso's unrequited feelings for Odysseus, an example of this being, "I'm angry, and tired and restless, and sad; I'm stuck in the moments I swore that we had."
The second half really dose feel like it's about Calypso's unrequited feelings espesually the part of "I hate that I feel in love with you, how am I supposed to get over you" while the first is half feels like it is about Calypso holding him hostage.
4:13 personal head canon: Zeus is the one who controls who comes and goes from the island, while calypso can only control the nature on the island. That is why Athena went to Zeus to ask for odyssey’s freedom rather then just go to calypso like “let him leave or else” because otherwise she could have avoided the whole gods games debacle.
The reason Poseidon is able to get hurt when Odysseus is torturing him is because regardless of their immortality gods can be harmed by their own weapons.
As a certified Calypso hater (Wangui appreciator), you are not reading this incorrectly. She is someone who has kidnapped and imprisoned someone for years and forced them to stay on this island. She is manipulating him even in the last moments they have together to get him to love her but he's LOYAL.
People don't talk about Hermes songs because they're in-between songs. They aren't main event songs like Ruthlessness, Thunder Bringer or Done for. It's a shame but that's how it goes.
The fact that I understood that entire full speed ahead patreon/Instagram/discord/Spotify ramble at the start is just hilarious to me! This is what I get for being blind and having my voiceover screen reader at super speed!
Yeah so the gods in Greek mythology aren’t Omni-powerful, particularly strong mortals (although only Demi-gods except for a few exceptions) are capable of fighting back and even beating them. Normally Odysseus isn’t capable of this on his own but combining his power with that of the storm he’s able to, as Hermes said “enhance his state”, to a semi-divine level. That also why we hear the backing vocals of the crew, normally only immortals can summon backing vocals out of thin air. But interestingly enough the kind of stuttering and single line-essness of the backing vocals does suggest that it’s only temporary and not a permanent enhancement. This is just speculation from me but I’m 99% sure that the storm isn’t a creation of Poseidon’s that’s Aeolus’s domain. And that’s why he can’t stop odyssey from using it to his advantage, he’s using Aeolus’s storm against him. But he is the one that requested the storm from Aeolus so he’s the only one that can call it off. Just my theory.
from what i understand calypso was a prisoner on the island for i believe backing/supporting her father who i think was a titan. so oddy was more a cellmate than a captive of calypso. but the balance of power with her being a god/divine and being isolated made her uncomfortably clingy
Calypso did trap Ody in the context of Epic. It was hinted in Calypso's lines in "Love in Paradise" from the wisdom saga but was confirmed through Athena's lines in the same song.
Yes, Calypso is also a prisoner on the island. She is a minor goddess and the daughter of the Titan, Atas. There was a war between the Gods and Titans and she sided with her father, and afterwards, this was her punishment. Basically isolated forever on that island. So when Ody showed up, she was immediately infatuated. I think Zues also purposely placed him on the island to trap him. A monkey paw from him, choosing to save himself over his men.
Another thing to remember is that the Greek gods aren't omnipotent; they're as flawed as people and their stories, the myths, exists to teach mortals a lesson. The myths aren't actual representation of what the gods were like. And more importantly, the gods aren't all knowing (it's why the gods can't just find people immediately all the time) nor are they undefeatable. They can't unalive because last I checked, you can't kill the actual ocean (Poseidon as he's the personification of the ocean) or lightning or even wisdom. All the gods are personification of different things, physical things as well as just basic human emotions. Things we can't ever kill. But if you're clever enough, you can outsmart them. Not recommended though, the gods don't like to be disrespected. 😂
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my interpretation of why he was able to beat posidon, is he was just using the extreme wind force of the wind bag, also gods dont relly have powers they have authorities, theres also the fact that some gods powers are fully to do with their weapons, like zeus, his lighting was forged, so its not that far off to say that in that weakened state they would be unable to call on their authorities.
I’m SO GLAD you felt cringed out by calypso, i absolutely agree. Her backstory does not matter, she HELD HIM HOSTAGE. And yet you feel bad for her, because that’s how manipulators make you feel
For 600 strike i like to imagine that Poseidon is seeing if his lesson 'ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves' stuck and with the trident the last thing Odysseus said was ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves. Seemed more likely to me, to just see if the lesson stuck and see if Odysseus has changed or something. Because i feel like poseidon, a god, would be able to win if he really tried.
I agree with you because this wouldn't have made any sense if Poseidon lost to Odysseus like that. His whole entire power is based on the ocean/water and he could have just easily escaped by calling off the storm. Making Odysseus fall into the water, then proceed with drowning him. Also in trying to fight Poseidon who can literally flood his home, killing everyone that he tried so hard to get back to as punishment for not listening to him.
I rather see it as poseidons secret weakness being people who just keep complaining -he was only pist that ody didn't end his sun, because when the cyclops wasn't attackt, or if he was dead, then poseidin wouldn't have known about it but sinds ody left him alive, it means he went and cried about being blinded to his dad, wich poseidin hates -then, ody was stabbing him for probably like 2 days straight or so, while continiously complaining about how he was doing exactly like poseidon said he should, and about all his friends poseidon killed and i think poseidon had enough of the complaining and just wanted it to end
Calypso was the daughter of a Titan (Atlas, i believe) When the olympian Gods took over, all of the Titans were ..... enslaved. Atlas has to carry the Sky on his back and Calypso was exiled to an Island, alone. (And also heard of a Curse that she would fall in Love with Anyone who lands on her Island) So Yeah, messed up. She had no one to teach her how to love the right way. But she was also in ancient Greece, soooooooo not many Rolemodels there😅
While yes, Poseidon is powerful, Odysseus used a huge portion of Poseidon's own power to beat him. The wind bag was containing Poseidon's greatest storm. The trident was Poseidon's divine weapon.
Zeus exiled Calypso to Ogygia as punishment for siding with her father, Atlas, during the war between the Titans and Olympians. She was then cursed to always fall in love with the men who wash up on her island that she needs to heal to save their lives. I find Calypso to be a very tragic story honestly
you were right about calypso. she did imprison him and she is being manipulative, she dose have a reason (being alone for 100 years), but i don't think that matters
She didn't personally, but her curse is the reason he can't leave. She can't either, because she sided with the Titans in the war, Zeus (the great bitch) banished her to that island to which "No one may come or go."
@@DarkYashaRyokoThe lore in the Odyssey isn’t the same as in EPIC. Athena tells us in Love in Paradise that Calypso kept him captive: “seven years she’s kept you trapped out of your control”
from watching 500 strikes, there are somethings that I notice or at least have a guess so here we go : 1) People have this mistaken idea that gods in greek is invincible to mortals but the truth is they are not. There are several stories about gods and goddesses being hurt by mortals, for example diomedes stab aphrodite, heracles beating ares, dionysus fighting in the giant war while being a demigod. So while ody fighting poseidon never actually happened in the myth, the idea of ody beating poseidon by using the wind and stealing his weapon to hurt him is not unimaginable 2) Poseidon cannot wait out ody's torture simply because gods do not actually have tolerance for pain. Because they rarely got hurt, they feel pain even more, I mean just read the myth when zeus turned poseidon and apollo into mortal and you can see they neither have tolerance for pain and patience 3) My guess for Poseidon not using the water to stop ody's torture is probably because poseidon is not in water so he can't use water power, kinda like how any creature that moves fast in water either cannot move or move comparably slow outside of water (just a theory)
Ok regarding Calypso, I feel bad for in a lot of ways. She was alone for a VERY VERY long time and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. HOWEVER, when it comes to Odysseus I feel no sympathy whatsoever. Legit the first thing he said to her was that he had a wife. But I also think people are caught in the one or the other and don’t think about how it can be both. Im not saying it has to be, feel however you want about her that’s totally valid. I just wanted to put that out there cause I don’t think I’ve seen anyone talk about that… Anyways that’s all thanks for coming to my Ted talk 😅😂
Poseidon theoretically could just do the storm again. However, Odysseus is smart and would make sure he doesn't by making him swear on the river Styx not to do that. Cause the Styx will hold Posidonia to that oath.
Calypso is cursed to never leave the island. He's the only one she's seen in forever. She's cursed to love whoever gets trapped on the island. Sad. Let's feel sad for her... I mean...part of her thing is that she can charm people to love her, but still...
Poseidon is the god of horses cause there was a competition to create the perfect animal (I don't remember who was the judge), so Poseidon made the horse. The judge ended up not liking it, but Poseidon liked his animal too much and refined it a bit more until we have the horse that we know. 😊
I wish you watched the livestream…. Except the last song, those animations were A LOT more hype to react, especially the get in the water start and the end with the poseidon getting stabbed
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What happened to the Thunder and Wisdom saga???
@@midnightmn3602 He already made videos on those
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I love how utterly unphased and calm Mathew is about the entire torture scene in Six Hundred Strike, it's so funny to me how he's like "Well I feel like this is quite cathartic for Odysseus, he's getting out a lot!" and cracking jokes as Poseidon is getting stabbed over and over again. It's like tonal whiplash, it's so good.
@@ranyadavina4585 fr and then he goes on to make a huge deal over Odysseus sacrifising his crew lmao, I can't ever guess his reaction to anything
this comment has had me chuckling for like 2 minutes lmao
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@@MathewMcKenna I chalk it up to years and years of unhinged humor thrusted upon you via out of context gumball and SU clips..
Calypso is one of those characters where it's like, okay, I feel bad for you, but that doesn't excuse your actions.
THANK YOU I have been shouting this for a month! Humanization does not equal justification
I wish Mathew saw the commissioned part for Dangerous so he could see Hermes throwing it back 😭
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Hermes the God of throwing it back 😂
I was thinking the same thing
And the 600 strike
I think that the canon interpretation of the beginning of 600 Strike is that Odysseus comes so close to death that he's not just haunted by the memories of the spirits anymore, but he's actually about to enter the underworld. But because he just manages to avoid death he comes back imbued with the strength of all of those souls, so he literally hits Poseidon with the strength of 600 men.
Ya, and also while they may blame his judgment to a degree, he is calling apon them to strike at the thing that killed them, so they are willing to help regardless
hard to say??? Jorge hasn't really spoken about 600 strikes much - there are a lot of popular fan theories, such as Ody's dormant divine blood awakening, Ares lending a hand, the spirits actively helping him, etc. but Jorge hasn't commented on anything yet.
@Dracon350 I'm drawing a distinction between the animatic Matthew watched in this video which portrayed the voices as flashbacks, and the livestream visuals which are confirmed canon and depicts the shades preparing to drag Ody into Hades. I suppose that is technically the end of GITW, but it does immediately lead into 600.
Let's recall Tiresia's words "I see you drew your FINAL breath" so yeah, for a second, for a moment, he collapses; he dies. And then "I see a man who gets to make it home alive...BUT IS NOT LONGER YOU" Ladies and gens, say your welcomes to the final form of Monster Odysseus.
Perfection, it's perfection.
I saw someone else’s headcannon on another Epic video for why Poseidon is so affected by being stabbed that made a lot of sense: Since Gods are super powerful, they rarely get hurt that badly, so when they do, they act like babies about it.
I think that's also kinda canon, bc iirc there was a part in the Iliad when some gods were on the battlefield, one of the greeks hit Ares with a javelin or something and he went to Zeus to cry about it.
@ I find it funny that the God of War can’t take a hit. 😂
The God's and Titan's from Pantheons actually feel pain. Like when Prometheus was punished for stealing fire from the God's and giving it to the humans (in Greek mythology), he was bound to a cliff and every day and eagle would snip off some of his liver. It would regenerate back fast but he still felt it every day
I like that headcannon! 😂
Calypso did indeed imprison Odysseus for those 7 years, the only reason he could leave is because Zeus (and subsequently Hermes) told her she needed to let him go
She didn't imprison him, they were both stuck because "no one can come or go", which includes her. You're close enough though, so credit where credit is due!
@@HellIsForeverWithInfiniteshe did though: "7 years SHE'S kept you trapped out of your control"
@@karolinebergin9347 The song is not entirely accurate because calypso is the daughter of atlas so she is also imprisoned there because she was with her dad who was a titan during the titan war but she did her best to try and make it so Odysseus would want to stay
@Brendeneaston-ju3kf that doesn't apply to Epic's version clearly.
@@karolinebergin9347It’s less that she kept you imprisoned and more she forced you to do things against your will. Yes, he didn’t want to be there and he was stuck there, but so was she. She did however force him to love her and constantly tried to get him to sleep with her in Epic. In the actual Odyssey, she did SA him because he didn’t really want it and the power imbalance between a man and an all powerful goddess is really large. Just to clarify, I’m not excusing her in any way. She was manipulative and just overall not a good person but she didn’t imprison him.
Fun fact time:
(First off, highly encourage you to check out the livestream. Won’t say anything from that in case you want to check it out. They went crazy). Now,
The little Winion in Dangerous is voiced by Jorge’s sister.
The Different Beast theme starts playing when Odysseus tells Poseidon to call off the storm, because he’s now the monster (a canon visual is Odysseus’ red glowing eyes meaning he turned into the Monster).
“Maybe you could learn to forgive” is sung with the notes of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.”
During the torture scene, very subtly, Tiresias’ theme plays in the back. All of his prophecies have come to pass.
The only thing I didn't like from the livestream was the first animation for 600 strike. Other than that, it was fantastic
The "take your son and gouge his eyes" was in reference to what Odysseus did to Polyphemus all those years ago.
Greek gods very much can be (and many times were) hurt by mortals even with normal weapons but cannot be killed by them (or at least never have been).
It bears mentioning that humans actually COULD contest the gods in greek mythology. During the Illiad (story of the trojan war) Diomedes saw Aphrodite whisking wounded trojans to safety behind Troy's walls, and shoots her with an arrow to make her back off. Similarly he also shoots Ares, the freaking god of war. Theres also the tale of Sisyphus, where Sisyphus convinces his wife to not perform a proper burial for him and leverages that to convince Hades to give him another day to live so he can convince his wife to bury him properly. At which point Sisyphus refuses to return to the underworld and sneaks up on Thanatos when he comes to take Sisyphus back. Beats up a god and stuffs him into a bag. Or Arachne, who in some stories was a weaver so incredibly talented that she beat one of the gods in a competition and was then turned into a spider monster for the crime of surpassing a god. Basically, there is precedent for individual people overcoming gods.
WAAAAH i didnt know all that, it's so cool! :D
For Arachne, I'm pretty sure it was Athena who turned her in a spidermonster (or at least that the version of the myth I have read).
@Sleepydemonart Yes she did, because Athena is the one Arachne was competing against. So drpending on which version of the myth you follow, either Arachne lost and Athena punishes her for her pride by turning her into a spider sobthat she can practise weaving forever, OR Arachne beat Athena and then Athena turned her into a spider bc 'Excuse tf out of you, Im a goddess, youre not allowed to beat me. Be a spider now, how dare you embarrass me.'
@@wolfishpotato6978 I knew I was right! Thank you and I read the one where Athena got beaten.
You were not wrong about Calypso trapping Odysseus. Remember in the Wisdom Saga, Athena says "7 years she's kept you trapped out of your control".
19:20 in the official animation his "friends" were actually dragging him down with them
Idk if this is to imply they’re not really his friends for doing that but even his Mom was there lol (and Polites was undeniably his best friend as much as I love Eurylochus), we don’t exactly know how literal the scene is or if they were even there since he also hears them in Love in Paradise, but if anything it’s them saying it’s okay to let go not trying to kill him lmao
Posiden singing with his screams indicates that odysseus hears them as music to his ears and i love it
This entire saga is just in a constant loop in my head every day
Same, I sing the entire two hours of released songs at my job every day lol
Most of the prophet’s remaining words came true:
“I see you on the brink of death.” * Drowning in the ocean *
“I see you draw your final breath.” * Those last air bubbles as the screen faded to black*
“I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s _no longer you.”_ *Odysseus’ eyes turn red, just like the vision Tiresias showed him of the Monster he would become. *
Odysseus “died”. The Monster took his place.
Now we're nust waiting for "I see your palace covered in red. I see your wife with a man who is haunted. A man with a trail of bodies."
why did we skip until venge-
oh nvm we're talking about it
Mathew: ive never heard him shout
Odesseus in underworld saga:
WHOOOOOO!!!!🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉
3:02 you are not reading wrong it's actually what it is 😭😭
22:52 Gods have a low pain tolerance because they rarely get hurt
From what i remember, calypso’s curse is they nobody can leave her island. Including her. She’s trapped too. So while yes it is uncomfortable that she’s singing about loving Odysseus too much despite kidnapping him, she is also very lonely and longs for true love. She’s kinda doomed to a sad ending. So it is a conflicting song to me 😂you can’t help but feel a bit sorry for her.
Does kidnapping have another definition I'm not aware of? Because I'm pretty sure he just washed ashore there by chance and couldn't exactly leave because.. well, "no one can come or go"
No, in both the musical and the Odyssey proper, Odysseus just makes a raft and leaves, while Calypso is magically trapped, Odysseus was only trapped because of Calypso
@@HellIsForeverWithInfinite She _technically_ didn't kidnap him as it only fulfills the "Holding them captive" part of it, but I'd say it's still an accurate word
@@HellIsForeverWithInfinitenot kidnapping in the sense that she’s the reason he’s there. But it is implied in the og play that her magic (even if indirectly since she’s cursed) keeps him there. Also, in the play calypso is a lot more of a creep with odyssey and is trying to get him to sleep with her. In fact some interpretations of the play suggest she did compel Odysseus to sleep with her. So some argue she did ‘kidnap’ him because she loved him.
She didn't kidnap him, Zeus just punished him to be imprisoned there.
Odysious's last name is Adamides, just fyi.
Edit 1: Poseidon is the god of horses becouse he created them from sea foam in an attempt to win a contest against Athena, Athena created the olive tree.
Eddit 2: In greek mythology it is possible for mortals to beat Gods, Diomedes beat both Ares and Aphrodite in the Trojan War
Olive tree but close enough
@@kotlcbooknerd885 A crareless mistake on my part, thanks for correcting me.
@@AHorrorFanatic np it’s really easy to make the mistake
@@kotlcbooknerd885 Sorry for my late reply, I was studying for my finals, I jusy wanted to sat I appreciate it and hve a nice day/night.
9:56 sir,people talk about him.He has two sagas so of course people talk about Hermes.🙄
You were right initially. Calypso DID trap him against his will for 7 years. She did abuse and manipulate him. The entirety of “I’m Not Sorry for Loving You” is her last ditch manipulation tactic which is why you picked up language used by abusers.
Calypso sided with the titans in the war against the gods. When the gods won, Zeus trapped her on her island with absolutely no one. She’s SUPER LONELY.
When Zeus kills all of his remaining crew in thunder bringer, it’s supposed to be on his ship, which gets destroyed. He washes Ody onto Calypso’s island since he controls who comes and goes from there. Calypso initially thinks it’s an act of rare benevolence from Zeus toward her, but in reality it’s a punishment for Ody because his #1 character trait is “wife guy”. Zeus wants him to either get SA’ed by Calypso or to cheat on his wife when he eventually gets lonely enough.
Neither he nor Calypso can leave of their own volition. Hermes goes to get Ody because he’s the messenger god sending a message for Zeus. Also, he’s picking up his great grandson.
Either way, Calypso is super manipulative and creepy in her “love”(read: obsession) for Ody. Ody cares for her because it’s been 7 years and hating someone for that long would drive him crazy when he thinks it will be for the rest of his life.
Although many argue that odysseus was into circe, he was NOT into calypso. When he slept with her, it was described as “one willing, one unwilling.” And every day he cried on the beach of ithaca
She imprisoned him and really loves him, both things are true. The love may or may not be from a curse (versions vary) or just from isolation and him being the only man she's met for centuries, but she really does love him she just has NO idea how to do that properly and does very bad things with it.
As far as the Epic version, i dont feel like she loves him. I feel like she's attention-starved, and latched onto Odysseus. Shes more like, obsessed.
I think this because she confessed her "love" before dude even was awake, and he immediately let her know he wasnt available, and he even wanted to kms bc of her, and she still kept pushing. Thats not love
For clarification before anybody else spreads annoying misinformation: Calypso was never cursed to fall in love with anyone who ends up on her island, that comes from the PJO books and is not in any of the myths whatsoever.
@@IDontGotThis it's more like she was IN love with him
@@anonymoose6703 infatuated. Nothing about what she feels is real love.
@@sylvirgiomanach1491 Infatuation is technically a form of love. A very twisted, delulu, and unhealthy love. It's not at all the proper love that people in a relationship have for each other. Thing is Calypso can't tell the difference and that's a major problem
You don't get it, Mathew! Odysseus gained a very important power, the power of PLOT! lol
Also the only reason Calypso isn't more hated is because her voice is absolutely angelic and her songs SLAP, everything else about her boils my blood personally.
Hmm, fair, but Calypso as a character is one of my favorites because it's such an interesting moral quandary. What she did was indeed objectively wrong, however, consider: she's been trapped there alone since she was a little kid (at least according to Epic, original myth differs slightly), she's had little to no human interaction, no role models, no chance to actually become an adult, and her island provides everything she needs to survive in surplus, so it's not even like she has the challenges of survival to help her mature. Essentially, despite being well over a hundred years old, she's just a kid, and a neglected one at that. Trapped in a place that never changes with no one to talk to, who could just give up the only person theyve really known, with the knowledge that once theyre gone, you're alone again and you dont know for how long?
Apologies about the minor essay, I get overly attached to lonely characters 🫠
15:58
Horses because when a wave comes in on a beach the sea foam looks like dust kicked up by running horses and earthquakes, my best guess is because earthquakes cause tsunamis
Ody is 1/8 god because he’s Hermes’ great grandson. Also, there are theories that Ares backed Ody on Athena’s behalf because she promised him more bloodshed if Ody made it back to Ithaca before Zeus beat the shit out of her (killed her?). Poseidon also lost the backing of Olympus (at least on the matter of Ody) when Athena convinced the other gods to let Ody free to go home.
It had been 20 years since the war, so its possible that they've changed to the point that their love has changed but as we can see in the song legendary penelope stayed true to her love but she is probably tired from having to stay strong as a queen and to her love odyssey when she had no idea if he was dead or alive not to mention the pressure from the suitors to choose a new husband and king.
The guy who voices Hermes (Troy) he was in victorious as the hambone king in one episode
Wait are you serious omg I vaguely remember that. That’s crazy
OMG ACTUALLY
@@lunarialoonaticI know right!!!! I don’t remember how I found out but if you google him it will say he is from that episode of victorious
HE WHAT
Trollhunters out of context is great, you'll NEVER know whats going on XD
Oh my gosh, yessss
It's not that a god has to have his weapon, it's that the weapon is a "god's weapon" it's strong enough to fight the other gods. Thus it's power and strength is strong enough to kill him. It was a "I can't kill you, but you can fall on your own sward" situation.
I don't think even the weapon could kill him. I think it was more of a torture situation
Basically some GOD of War type levels of bad assery
Calypso absouloutly imprisoned Odyseus. in the song love in paradise it was made very clear that Ody was NOT ok with Calypsos actions, including getting to the point he wanted to "delete himself"
So to note: Odysseus’ “last breath” that the prophet mentioned was at the end of Get in the Water - also Idk why this isn’t being shown that well in the animatics I’ve seen out so far, but the souls are supposed to be trying to drag Odysseus down to the underworld to die like they did… idk why that’s not always shown so well
2:45 There's 3 interpretations, 1 where he liked her but in Epic he never cheated with Circe- he's too loyal- so that interpretation is obviously thrown out the window
I absolutely agree that Hermes has the best beats, the catchiest songs, and a great voice! Troy is so good!
Hermes is sung by troy who is a musician in his own right
“I’ve watched the previous sagas” and still missed a couple additions that give context to the latest saga lol
23:40 cutely giggles at a god being tortured
Who didn’t tbh😂
4:15 In her song she said her spell kept them there
If I’m recalling correctly, Calypso is the daughter of a Titan and Zeus put her on the island to never, EVER see anyone ever again as part of a punishment for the war against the Titans. She is trapped on the island as much as Odysseus was - she was just alone for far, far longer and will remain alone long after he is dead.
No, you weren’t wrong about Calypso, she did imprison him. I’ve seen some people claim this isn’t the case based on the lore of the Odyssey but Athena tells us in Love in Paradise that “Seven years she’s (calypso) kept you trapped out of your control.”
1 : this is the direct sequel of god games from the wisdom saga in which Athena tried to convince the other gods to set Odysseus free from Calypso. (She’s the one who « fought » for him idk why Hermes didn’t just tell Odysseus it was her lmao he loves drama for sure)
2 : Odysseus is a half god actually Hermes is his « uncle » if we can call it that which explains why Hermes is always present for him. Hermes told him in Dangerous « I know if you dance with fate you’ll enhance your state » which implied that Odysseus would receive divine blessing for him to be able to make it through and how do we see it ? He’s showing signs of anger and distress which in Jorge’s words are what Ares’ quick thought causes so yeah I think that Odysseus was blessed by Ares cause Ares just can’t wait to see Odysseus fight the suitors lmao
3 : Just giving my own views on what’s happening with Poseidon I think he’s too stunned seeing Odysseus fight back to do anything at first and then he’s just too wounded and weak to act when Odysseus tortures him. Also to me Poseidon is that person who blames you for things that they do too so he blames Odysseus for being a monster here but he is one too and he also told him to be one
4 : For Calypso she did imprison him I think because If it wasn’t her why would Hermes need to talk to her to let Odysseus go ? They don’t owe her anything Hermes could’ve just told Odysseus that he could go and Odysseus would’ve said his goodbyes to Calypso if he wanted to. I also think that what she’s doing is definitely manipulation, she’s completely in the wrong although I do understand why she acts that way, she’s still not a good person no matter how you put it. Now we can all agree that her VA, Wangui has a magnificent voice which does make it hard to hate Calypso lmao
Why Ody could hurt Poseidon:::::
Poseidon has, at least in Epic the Musical, only been able to use his godly powers IN the water. In the livestream animatic and in this one, Poseidon is on land, and also without a trident.
The trident is a godly weapon, so it can hurt Poseidon. Poseidon could, in theory, wait him out. However, a fan theory I personally enjoy shares that because Gods don’t get hurt often (via mortals) - that when they do - they’re big babies about it.
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!
The orange animatic for dangerous is also worth a watch! It really goes into hermes being a god of travelers.
Fun Fact: Greek Mythology is nothing but fanfiction. So Greek Poets, Apollodorus claims Odysseus had a son with Calypso, and Hesiod claims he had twins with her.
lol that’s fun to think about it that way 😂
I love your Epic videos! They're so genuine and hilarious. I wanted to say Not Sorry For Loving You can be interpreted two different ways: one, it can be viewed through the lens of the Odyssey, where Calypso was holding him hostiage, or it can be viewed as Calypso's unrequited feelings for Odysseus, an example of this being, "I'm angry, and tired and restless, and sad; I'm stuck in the moments I swore that we had."
The second half really dose feel like it's about Calypso's unrequited feelings espesually the part of "I hate that I feel in love with you, how am I supposed to get over you" while the first is half feels like it is about Calypso holding him hostage.
Not explained/cannon to the epic only the odyssey... posidon knew he couldn't kill him anyway as the fates ordained he would return home
Vengeance saga is over
Us: while we’re all waiting….waiting…. Waiting 😂
4:13 personal head canon: Zeus is the one who controls who comes and goes from the island, while calypso can only control the nature on the island. That is why Athena went to Zeus to ask for odyssey’s freedom rather then just go to calypso like “let him leave or else” because otherwise she could have avoided the whole gods games debacle.
The reason Poseidon is able to get hurt when Odysseus is torturing him is because regardless of their immortality gods can be harmed by their own weapons.
As a certified Calypso hater (Wangui appreciator), you are not reading this incorrectly. She is someone who has kidnapped and imprisoned someone for years and forced them to stay on this island. She is manipulating him even in the last moments they have together to get him to love her but he's LOYAL.
They are both victims of the gods, at least as presented in Epic
15:36 fun fact! The Greeks associated crashing waves as stampeding horses for some reason. Maybe the sound?
LOVE THIS SAGA! CANT WAIT FOR THIS REACTION!
The person that play Hermes has his own music his name is troy
People don't talk about Hermes songs because they're in-between songs. They aren't main event songs like Ruthlessness, Thunder Bringer or Done for. It's a shame but that's how it goes.
Depends where one is looking/at, I see a lot of people talking about the pair🤷
The fact that I understood that entire full speed ahead patreon/Instagram/discord/Spotify ramble at the start is just hilarious to me! This is what I get for being blind and having my voiceover screen reader at super speed!
Now that you're caught up... you should listen to the cut songs! (Man of the House, Ismarus, Your Light, Appetite, etc.)
If you love Hermes voice so much you should check out Troys other music, its all amazing and he deserves so much more recognition
Yeah so the gods in Greek mythology aren’t Omni-powerful, particularly strong mortals (although only Demi-gods except for a few exceptions) are capable of fighting back and even beating them.
Normally Odysseus isn’t capable of this on his own but combining his power with that of the storm he’s able to, as Hermes said “enhance his state”, to a semi-divine level. That also why we hear the backing vocals of the crew, normally only immortals can summon backing vocals out of thin air. But interestingly enough the kind of stuttering and single line-essness of the backing vocals does suggest that it’s only temporary and not a permanent enhancement.
This is just speculation from me but I’m 99% sure that the storm isn’t a creation of Poseidon’s that’s Aeolus’s domain. And that’s why he can’t stop odyssey from using it to his advantage, he’s using Aeolus’s storm against him. But he is the one that requested the storm from
Aeolus so he’s the only one that can call it off. Just my theory.
from what i understand calypso was a prisoner on the island for i believe backing/supporting her father who i think was a titan. so oddy was more a cellmate than a captive of calypso. but the balance of power with her being a god/divine and being isolated made her uncomfortably clingy
In the Wisdom saga, Athena says “Seven years she’s kept you trapped out of your control”. So in EPIC, she did keep him captive.
Calypso did trap Ody in the context of Epic. It was hinted in Calypso's lines in "Love in Paradise" from the wisdom saga but was confirmed through Athena's lines in the same song.
If you love Hermes, his singer is named Troy and he makes music.
Yes, Calypso is also a prisoner on the island. She is a minor goddess and the daughter of the Titan, Atas. There was a war between the Gods and Titans and she sided with her father, and afterwards, this was her punishment.
Basically isolated forever on that island. So when Ody showed up, she was immediately infatuated. I think Zues also purposely placed him on the island to trap him. A monkey paw from him, choosing to save himself over his men.
I haven't spent the last two days having hermes' 2 songs on loop, because I love hermes. He is ultimate hype man and he is so silly. I love him. 😂😂😍
nobody gonna see this so i'll just say it but odysseus is so hot here
…you’re not wrong
Another thing to remember is that the Greek gods aren't omnipotent; they're as flawed as people and their stories, the myths, exists to teach mortals a lesson. The myths aren't actual representation of what the gods were like.
And more importantly, the gods aren't all knowing (it's why the gods can't just find people immediately all the time) nor are they undefeatable. They can't unalive because last I checked, you can't kill the actual ocean (Poseidon as he's the personification of the ocean) or lightning or even wisdom.
All the gods are personification of different things, physical things as well as just basic human emotions. Things we can't ever kill. But if you're clever enough, you can outsmart them. Not recommended though, the gods don't like to be disrespected. 😂
I recommend listening to elana of avalor songs it's a Disney show the songs I offer are
1- Home for good
2-make them proud
3-somthing I would never do
4-someone special
5-dont look now
6- ready to ruel
It would be fun to watch love your videos btw
my interpretation of why he was able to beat posidon, is he was just using the extreme wind force of the wind bag, also gods dont relly have powers they have authorities, theres also the fact that some gods powers are fully to do with their weapons, like zeus, his lighting was forged, so its not that far off to say that in that weakened state they would be unable to call on their authorities.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS OMG SO EXCITED
"Is Hermes his chicken?" That just stuck with me 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Everyone loves Hermes.
Gods can be hurtby mortals, an example is Diomedes and Ares. (he was referenced in the first song)
I’m SO GLAD you felt cringed out by calypso, i absolutely agree. Her backstory does not matter, she HELD HIM HOSTAGE. And yet you feel bad for her, because that’s how manipulators make you feel
For 600 strike i like to imagine that Poseidon is seeing if his lesson 'ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves' stuck and with the trident the last thing Odysseus said was ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves. Seemed more likely to me, to just see if the lesson stuck and see if Odysseus has changed or something. Because i feel like poseidon, a god, would be able to win if he really tried.
I agree with you because this wouldn't have made any sense if Poseidon lost to Odysseus like that. His whole entire power is based on the ocean/water and he could have just easily escaped by calling off the storm. Making Odysseus fall into the water, then proceed with drowning him. Also in trying to fight Poseidon who can literally flood his home, killing everyone that he tried so hard to get back to as punishment for not listening to him.
I rather see it as poseidons secret weakness being people who just keep complaining
-he was only pist that ody didn't end his sun, because when the cyclops wasn't attackt, or if he was dead, then poseidin wouldn't have known about it
but sinds ody left him alive, it means he went and cried about being blinded to his dad, wich poseidin hates
-then, ody was stabbing him for probably like 2 days straight or so, while continiously complaining about how he was doing exactly like poseidon said he should, and about all his friends poseidon killed
and i think poseidon had enough of the complaining and just wanted it to end
Calypso was the daughter of a Titan (Atlas, i believe)
When the olympian Gods took over, all of the Titans were ..... enslaved. Atlas has to carry the Sky on his back and Calypso was exiled to an Island, alone.
(And also heard of a Curse that she would fall in Love with Anyone who lands on her Island)
So Yeah, messed up. She had no one to teach her how to love the right way. But she was also in ancient Greece, soooooooo not many Rolemodels there😅
In the Odyssey Odysseus was trapped by Calypso and was assaulted by her but she really loved him. Calypso cant leave so she keeps others from leaving
'i'm not the one who fought for you'
'oh who did?'
Matthew. YOU LITERALLY SAW ATHENA FIGHTING FOR HIM LIKE TWO SONGS AGO.
Just to give you context on how long he has been away from home. Mythological 20 YEARS which was mentioned in Legendary!
While yes, Poseidon is powerful, Odysseus used a huge portion of Poseidon's own power to beat him. The wind bag was containing Poseidon's greatest storm. The trident was Poseidon's divine weapon.
Odysseus looking like a wet stray dog is honestly so on brand
Zeus exiled Calypso to Ogygia as punishment for siding with her father, Atlas, during the war between the Titans and Olympians. She was then cursed to always fall in love with the men who wash up on her island that she needs to heal to save their lives. I find Calypso to be a very tragic story honestly
you were right about calypso. she did imprison him and she is being manipulative, she dose have a reason (being alone for 100 years), but i don't think that matters
She didn't personally, but her curse is the reason he can't leave. She can't either, because she sided with the Titans in the war, Zeus (the great bitch) banished her to that island to which "No one may come or go."
@@DarkYashaRyokoThe lore in the Odyssey isn’t the same as in EPIC. Athena tells us in Love in Paradise that Calypso kept him captive: “seven years she’s kept you trapped out of your control”
Am I the only one who wants to see Mathew react to Alien Stage?😅
In "Love in Paradise" Calypso says that no one can come or ego from her island, so yeah, it was imprisonment
from watching 500 strikes, there are somethings that I notice or at least have a guess so here we go :
1) People have this mistaken idea that gods in greek is invincible to mortals but the truth is they are not. There are several stories about gods and goddesses being hurt by mortals, for example diomedes stab aphrodite, heracles beating ares, dionysus fighting in the giant war while being a demigod. So while ody fighting poseidon never actually happened in the myth, the idea of ody beating poseidon by using the wind and stealing his weapon to hurt him is not unimaginable
2) Poseidon cannot wait out ody's torture simply because gods do not actually have tolerance for pain. Because they rarely got hurt, they feel pain even more, I mean just read the myth when zeus turned poseidon and apollo into mortal and you can see they neither have tolerance for pain and patience
3) My guess for Poseidon not using the water to stop ody's torture is probably because poseidon is not in water so he can't use water power, kinda like how any creature that moves fast in water either cannot move or move comparably slow outside of water (just a theory)
Epic follows the rules of the video game in Jorge's head, so all gods have some limits
Ok regarding Calypso, I feel bad for in a lot of ways. She was alone for a VERY VERY long time and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. HOWEVER, when it comes to Odysseus I feel no sympathy whatsoever. Legit the first thing he said to her was that he had a wife. But I also think people are caught in the one or the other and don’t think about how it can be both. Im not saying it has to be, feel however you want about her that’s totally valid. I just wanted to put that out there cause I don’t think I’ve seen anyone talk about that… Anyways that’s all thanks for coming to my Ted talk 😅😂
Poseidon theoretically could just do the storm again. However, Odysseus is smart and would make sure he doesn't by making him swear on the river Styx not to do that. Cause the Styx will hold Posidonia to that oath.
FOR THE LAST TIME, WATCH THE LIVESTREAMS 😭🙏
"Use the farts, Luke" was actually the funniest joke I've heard all day
Calypso is cursed to never leave the island. He's the only one she's seen in forever. She's cursed to love whoever gets trapped on the island.
Sad. Let's feel sad for her... I mean...part of her thing is that she can charm people to love her, but still...
Poseidon is the god of horses cause there was a competition to create the perfect animal (I don't remember who was the judge), so Poseidon made the horse. The judge ended up not liking it, but Poseidon liked his animal too much and refined it a bit more until we have the horse that we know. 😊
Random but your nails are slaying today
I wish you watched the livestream…. Except the last song, those animations were A LOT more hype to react, especially the get in the water start and the end with the poseidon getting stabbed
Can I just say YOUR HAIR LOOKS AMAZING!