How wonderful that we can watch Whirlwinds again. Props to everyone involved modelling these amazing machines. My Third favorite twin engine, WW2, British , Propeller driven fighter
FYI on the real one,at bomb release the left side dropped first then the right to stop adverse yaw due to the torque of the engines and props rotation.
Dehavilland built what this plane could have been it was called the hornet didn't see combat in ww2 but was a fighter bomber in Kenya and the Malaysian conflict! Beautiful aircraft two merlins fast for a piston engined fighter
The follow-on Westland Welkin is even weirder-looking. It, too, was pretty much a non-starter; there was no important role for it to play that couldn't be served by existing types.
Un bel et magnifique bimoteur-monoplace armer de ces 4 redoutables canons de 20 m/m, mais gâché par ces moteurs R-R Pelerine donc ils avait des problèmes chroniques de fiabilité! Malheureusement les Rolls-Royce Merlin était classer prioritaires aux Spitfires et hurricanes, c' est très dommage! Par contre pour cette vidéo c' est vraiment splendide merci beaucoup!!!
The Peregrine wasn't a 'handed engine', was it? I could see on the first takeoff attempt that it looked like it was bearing to the right pretty hard...
@@matydrum yes and speed.the vertical tail had a slight deflection in the opposite direction of the torque and also had more trim tab travel in that direction as well to offset the torque. Also when dropping bombs the opposite bomb dropped first to offset the trim as well even when dropped in pairs. What is not well known is that most of the fighter types of the day had the same offset tail even the single engine fighters. A few degrees opposite the torque was all that was needed.
@@rodneypayne4827 I saw offset tails on single engines of the era, but thx for the reply and the info on the whirlwind! I always like it, makes you wonder what would have happened if they equiped it with merlins! But as we say in France: given enough "if", you can fit Paris intoo a bottle! ;)
Barrie Rodliffe ...yes, but with the two stage supercharger of the more common Melin 61/63 the smaller bore of the Peregrine wouldn't be that powerful...
@@asierlekerika6583 Exactly, it made more sense for Rolls Royce to develop the Merlin and Griffon engines, the Peregrine was a good engine but just like the Vulture it would have taken too much away from the other engines Rolls Royce developed so well.
An under developed aircraft defeated by its constantly over heating and unreliable engines. Massive firepower and as fast as a Spitfire in 1940 Should have fitted with Merlin’s that were used on Defiant, death traps but would have meant considerably modifing the wing.
If this is representative of the aircraft's performance I am not surprised that they did not try and sort out the issues with the Peregrine engines - it does not appear to be much good in the turn, and it has problems with bringing its guns to bear. The RAF had the Mossie on the way, so did not need this plane after 1942.
The Whirlwind performed very well, the reason not many were made is that Rolls Royce concentrated on the Merlin and Griffon engines. The Peregrine was a development of the Kestrel and it worked just fine.
they used the rolls royce "peregrine" engine and unfortunately it was very troublesome but the plane was too light to take a merlin or...they couldn't divert any from spitfires/ hurricanes...other "innovations" also caused operational issues...otherwise the mossie may have been in second place....
yes your right the designer was an total control freak and pushed hard to keep all his "innovations of design" which effectively ruled out easy changes to the planes power units . worth reading the history of its birth. was painfull for the engineers.
Another British fighter betrayed by its engines. The Whirlwind was fast, could carry a good load and heavily armed, but stuck in middle to low altitude and also needed had a longer take-off and landing than Hurricane or Spitfire or Beaufighter.
A plane crippled by the RR Peregrine engine. The Peregrine was an orphan, development was always subordinate to the Merlin, with predictable results. Only a few Peregrine engines were produced and they were never reliable.
@@royperkins3851 The Peregrine while based on the Kestrel was stronger and could handle a lot more power, development of the peregrine and Vulture was stopped to concentrate on the Merlin and Griffon. If Rolls Royce had kept developing the peregrine it could well had reached 1,300 hp or considerably more.
Potentially a terrific fighter but came a little late and the jets were already taking over. Still a plane that one test pilot called the best plane he ever flew!
it first flew in 1938 and was operational in 1940 before retirement in 43. kohl is thinking of the dehavilland Hornet. a stripped down hotted up single seat mossie. winkle brown called it the nicest twin engine plane he ever flew.
riders in the scrub you'll by right about him thinking of the DH Hornet. The Whirlwind ofcourse only saw 116 units built due mainly to the very small run of Rolls Royce Peregrine engines built. Might have been better powered by Merlin, (definitely more powerful) but the wings/nacelles would've needed considerable alteration to their design and it wasn't considered necessary. Excellent fighter bomber and low level fighter though and a beautiful looking machine. WEW Petter was a genius.
Such a good looking aircraft, so underrated.
How wonderful that we can watch Whirlwinds again. Props to everyone involved modelling these amazing machines. My Third favorite twin engine, WW2, British , Propeller driven fighter
After the Blenheim and Mosquito
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Beaughfighter.
@@barrierodliffe4155 that's my fifth, Welkin my fourth
FYI on the real one,at bomb release the left side dropped first then the right to stop adverse yaw due to the torque of the engines and props rotation.
Dehavilland built what this plane could have been it was called the hornet didn't see combat in ww2 but was a fighter bomber in Kenya and the Malaysian conflict! Beautiful aircraft two merlins fast for a piston engined fighter
Just think how good it could have been if fitted with the right motors from the outset.
It just looks so good.
RR Merlin .....
New evidence reveals that its propellers were the issue.
your shooting has improved and great vid. !
Once again a great video, thanks a lot for this Steven!
The gear red lights would of course extinguish when the last gear locks up . . . nice to see the 'aircraft' in flight. Thanks
It looks strange, but in its own way beautiful.
+carroj9 needed merlins great airframe
carroj9 the airframe could not have accommodated Merlin's, let along Griffins
carroj9 get your facts right before regurgitating the same old bs about the UK being "short sighted". utter crap.
The follow-on Westland Welkin is even weirder-looking. It, too, was pretty much a non-starter; there was no important role for it to play that couldn't be served by existing types.
Un bel et magnifique bimoteur-monoplace armer de ces 4 redoutables canons de 20 m/m, mais gâché par ces moteurs R-R Pelerine donc ils avait des problèmes chroniques de fiabilité! Malheureusement les Rolls-Royce Merlin était classer prioritaires aux Spitfires et hurricanes, c' est très dommage! Par contre pour cette vidéo c' est vraiment splendide merci beaucoup!!!
vous avez probablement raison
Nice one. Not a bad plane for a doomed marqu. I noted the retracible rear wheel and the lack of need to allow for drift on take off.
Brilliant... and so long overdue
Just what I was hoping for! :D
That was quite spectacular
Crikey! That's brilliant
Gorgeous plane
er the whirl wind was at the begining of the war ,hornet right at the end ,pity it didnt get more proggression the whirly !
Me 262 with propellers
The Peregrine wasn't a 'handed engine', was it? I could see on the first takeoff attempt that it looked like it was bearing to the right pretty hard...
No,both engines run the in the same direction to save complexity and maintainece/logistics.
@@rodneypayne4827 really? That must generate so much torque! Woaw...
@@matydrum yes and speed.the vertical tail had a slight deflection in the opposite direction of the torque and also had more trim tab travel in that direction as well to offset the torque. Also when dropping bombs the opposite bomb dropped first to offset the trim as well even when dropped in pairs.
What is not well known is that most of the fighter types of the day had the same offset tail even the single engine fighters. A few degrees opposite the torque was all that was needed.
@@rodneypayne4827 I saw offset tails on single engines of the era, but thx for the reply and the info on the whirlwind! I always like it, makes you wonder what would have happened if they equiped it with merlins! But as we say in France: given enough "if", you can fit Paris intoo a bottle! ;)
With the modifications made to the late Merlins, the Peregrine would achieve 1250 hp or more...
Late Merlin's achieved over 2,000 hp.
Barrie Rodliffe ...yes, but with the two stage supercharger of the more common Melin 61/63 the smaller bore of the Peregrine wouldn't be that powerful...
@@asierlekerika6583
Exactly, it made more sense for Rolls Royce to develop the Merlin and Griffon engines, the Peregrine was a good engine but just like the Vulture it would have taken too much away from the other engines Rolls Royce developed so well.
Barrie Rodliffe Deninitely. It would have been a big mistake... but a beautiful "what if"...
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I like the Whirlwind and it is a shame more were not made
Great video! ✌😷
An under developed aircraft defeated by its constantly over heating and unreliable engines. Massive firepower and as fast as a Spitfire in 1940 Should have fitted with Merlin’s that were used on Defiant, death traps but would have meant considerably modifing the wing.
so no one on ground had a flak verling or even mg42 ?
If this is representative of the aircraft's performance I am not surprised that they did not try and sort out the issues with the Peregrine engines - it does not appear to be much good in the turn, and it has problems with bringing its guns to bear. The RAF had the Mossie on the way, so did not need this plane after 1942.
The Whirlwind performed very well, the reason not many were made is that Rolls Royce concentrated on the Merlin and Griffon engines. The Peregrine was a development of the Kestrel and it worked just fine.
Beautifull!
What did you use to get plane sounding so good in the flyby shots?
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Excellent, thank you.
lol the guy at the start veiwing by standing on top of the canvas roofed truck!
they used the rolls royce "peregrine" engine and unfortunately it was very troublesome but the plane was too light to take a merlin or...they couldn't divert any from spitfires/ hurricanes...other "innovations" also caused operational issues...otherwise the mossie may have been in second place....
riders in the scrub the airframe could not have accommodated Merlins
yes your right the designer was an total control freak and pushed hard to keep all his "innovations of design" which effectively ruled out easy changes to the planes power units . worth reading the history of its birth. was painfull for the engineers.
Teddy Petter was a genius who Gave us the English electric Lightning
And the Folland Gnat
NO FLAK?
Where do u get this Planes from?? I havê the modpack and it does not have this one
not part of vp modpack you have to install it, www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,37163.0.html
@@Steven197106 thank you Steve. Safe flight mi boy
LOL BRILLIANT RECOGNITION LETTERS ARS
Another British fighter betrayed by its engines. The Whirlwind was fast, could carry a good load and heavily armed, but stuck in middle to low altitude and also needed had a longer take-off and landing than Hurricane or Spitfire or Beaufighter.
It looks a bit like a British straight-wing prop 262
Maybe the Me 262 was a copy, after all it started with straight wings and a piston engine
A plane crippled by the RR Peregrine engine. The Peregrine was an orphan, development was always subordinate to the Merlin, with predictable results. Only a few Peregrine engines were produced and they were never reliable.
Reliable enough but never developed just like the Vulture because Rolls Royce were concentrating on the Merlin and Griffon.
They were the last gasp for the old kestrel and didn't really have anywhere to go! Rolls pushed it as far as it would go!
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The Peregrine while based on the Kestrel was stronger and could handle a lot more power, development of the peregrine and Vulture was stopped to concentrate on the Merlin and Griffon. If Rolls Royce had kept developing the peregrine it could well had reached 1,300 hp or considerably more.
Very realistic, except for the grass, which still looks flat like a pancake
Tis a pity the Peregrinnes where so troublesome fast as a Spitfire but unreliable
Not counter-rotating.
What map is this?
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Plane looks like a Mantis Prawn...
'ARS' not 'ASS', VERY British !
why SAS Modact? why not use CUP WAW instead?
+Lovinatorka I like to add my own mods, like new aircraft for testing
seems fair to me. have you thought about trying the ww1 planes in cup dof? they are pretty awesome!
双戦じゃん🤩💦
Potentially a terrific fighter but came a little late and the jets were already taking over. Still a plane that one test pilot called the best plane he ever flew!
Kohl423 ??? this plane flew in the early 1940s well before operational jets. it did quite well.
it first flew in 1938 and was operational in 1940 before retirement in 43. kohl is thinking of the dehavilland Hornet. a stripped down hotted up single seat mossie. winkle brown called it the nicest twin engine plane he ever flew.
riders in the scrub indeed. people do rather simplify matters to make their arguments on the internet..oh well c'est la vie 😋
Produced between 1940 - january 2942.
Operated by RAF between 1940 - 1943.
riders in the scrub you'll by right about him thinking of the DH Hornet. The Whirlwind ofcourse only saw 116 units built due mainly to the very small run of Rolls Royce Peregrine engines built. Might have been better powered by Merlin, (definitely more powerful) but the wings/nacelles would've needed considerable alteration to their design and it wasn't considered necessary. Excellent fighter bomber and low level fighter though and a beautiful looking machine. WEW Petter was a genius.