The difference between the Mets signing him and any other team, is the Mets owner can pay him his entire contract rn, and not feel it at all, he can break even every year on the Mets for what he spends and what he makes and not care at all, because he doesn’t need to make money off of them
You’re worth what the market says you’re worth and there were at least 3 teams at or over 700 million. Soto’s contact is 1/3 longer than Othani’s and he’s also a unicorn in how young he is. Soto is objectively worth what he got.
Ohtani did not enter a bidding war, if he did it would have gotten egregious. It’s an overpay but probably by 20-25% and that’s purely off a production standpoint, the signing changes the perspective in NY for fans AND players, you can rationalize that.
I’m back, Peter insinuating that the Mets aren’t little brother anymore is good enough for me. Amazes me that this contract was that much but oh well. I hope Cohen ends up handcuffing himself with payroll as a Phillies fan.
I agree is worth more than Soto’s WAR value. But players like him aren’t available in FA, it’s a culture statement of winning. And comparing it to Ohtani. It is for 5 more years. For a younger player and basically some can be considered deferred value with how far in the future he gets the money.
As a Mets fan... The Mets had to overpay so players in the MLB know The Mets ownership means business; we want to be a winning organization; that's the dream. Because the Mets are in a tough league, their mountain is a lot harder than the Yankees; this isn't the AL where shit is sweet. The Mets had to overpay to reach the Dodgers Braves Padres Phillies because those are teams who consistently in the playoffs, and the Mets players have to prove that.
Not a Mets or Yankees fan (with respect to both), but I actually think the Yankees will be competitive with the next moves they make, maybe more than the Mets because of the culture that the Yankees have. If you watch both teams, even though the Yankees have lopsided talent with one great hitter and some great pitching and the others are questionable, they still have the Yankees culture of being a behemoth (my team’s fans hate the Yankees like a lot of people, but this fact is true).
Juan Soto is now a Met. Next season, Juan will shatter Pete Alonso’s single-season franchise record with 54 home runs. In 2026, Juan will shatter Barry Bonds’ single-season record with 74 home runs. If Juan needs 562 more home runs, he will shatter Barry’s all-time record with 763 career home runs.
Soto signing for this amount is far less detrimental to the state of the game than the Dodgers buying every free agent under the sun, so I don't know why the vibes were so different here compared to the Snell signing.
Before I listen to a word of this, i’m gonna guess Peter is gonna say something along the lines of “The Yankees are screwed”. I will come back to see if I was correct after.
He’s a White Sox fan, I believe (though maybe he’s abandoned them). I think he meant had no allegiance in this situation, since his team is obviously uninvolved in it-and arguably uninvolved in Major League Baseball™️. I admire people who are huge baseball fans, but don’t actually root for a specific team. At a minimum, they probably sleep better than the rest of us! 😆
Comparing to Shohei's is just pointless. He wasn't going anywhere else. Was Shohei open to go to LA, Mets, Yankees, Boston, Toronto? No. He wasn't. The bidding war wasn't there. The leverage wasn't there.
Jack hates players making money more than the owners sad to see. He always mentions their needs to be a correction in the market but absolutely doesn't burn the Rockies for charging 15$ for a Miller Lite
I don't view the Mets better than the Yankees because they took the Dodgers to 6, the Dodgers came out the NLDS in 5 games with hardly any rest while the Yankees got a rested Dodgers team
@JayzBeerz What does that have to do with this? they were comparing records in the playoffs. The only reason the Mets had 1 more win vs the Dodgers than the Yankess is because the Yankees faced starters 1 2 3 while the Mets faced 1 bullpen 2
@JayzBeerz Fake excuses? the Dodgers set a record by scoring the most runs in the NLCS, they demolished the Mets. Even though the Yankees won less game, they atleast kept it close
I’m sorry but the notion that is somehow a “mistake” is insane, you had 4 of the sharpest offices in baseball going to 700, maybe they happen to know more than you? And of course, even if the fair value is ~600, cohen has more money than God, and legacy is expensive.
I’m tired of hearing about Ohtani being so great! Let me blow your mind for a minute… Soto has a better career batting average on base percentage and OPS than Ohtani! soto is 26 entering his prime he will get better, Ohtani hit 257 when he was 26… also outside of this past year Ohtani only had 100 RBIs once! Let’s stop acting like Ohtani is perfect. Great hitter.
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Jack went straight to hating, respect lmaoo
He said what a lot of us thought
@@vicvsvictor2652 he said nothing but facts though
The difference between the Mets signing him and any other team, is the Mets owner can pay him his entire contract rn, and not feel it at all, he can break even every year on the Mets for what he spends and what he makes and not care at all, because he doesn’t need to make money off of them
With the payroll they run it’s likely he’s losing money every year
They’ll be a global brand within a half a decade. Smart investment.
@@lilluch3988they were very profitable this season actually
@@lilluch3988 and? He’s could lose hundreds of millions every year and still be a billionaire when be dies
@@samjgollings8664 yes ur right I’m not sure why u thought I was arguing that Steve Cohen will go poor
6:39 Peter didn’t like that at all😂
Diehard Mets fan here. Love this podcast. Honest opinion and respect for the team.
You’re worth what the market says you’re worth and there were at least 3 teams at or over 700 million. Soto’s contact is 1/3 longer than Othani’s and he’s also a unicorn in how young he is. Soto is objectively worth what he got.
As a mets fan we never had a hitter like this in our history and most mets fan is hoping for 1 world series title
i just don’t understand how it’s 40% over market value when you compare it to the values of players that produce half the production
Damn, seeing Peter in this much pain is just rough 😭😭😭
Ohtani did not enter a bidding war, if he did it would have gotten egregious. It’s an overpay but probably by 20-25% and that’s purely off a production standpoint, the signing changes the perspective in NY for fans AND players, you can rationalize that.
I’m back, Peter insinuating that the Mets aren’t little brother anymore is good enough for me. Amazes me that this contract was that much but oh well. I hope Cohen ends up handcuffing himself with payroll as a Phillies fan.
I’m devastated
I agree is worth more than Soto’s WAR value. But players like him aren’t available in FA, it’s a culture statement of winning. And comparing it to Ohtani. It is for 5 more years. For a younger player and basically some can be considered deferred value with how far in the future he gets the money.
For this signing to be considered a success, the Mets will need to win 3 WS during the duration - MINIMUM!
Everyone will pitch around him and he will become the new WALK KING...
Hooray 😂
As a Mets fan... The Mets had to overpay so players in the MLB know The Mets ownership means business; we want to be a winning organization; that's the dream. Because the Mets are in a tough league, their mountain is a lot harder than the Yankees; this isn't the AL where shit is sweet. The Mets had to overpay to reach the Dodgers Braves Padres Phillies because those are teams who consistently in the playoffs, and the Mets players have to prove that.
Not a Mets or Yankees fan (with respect to both), but I actually think the Yankees will be competitive with the next moves they make, maybe more than the Mets because of the culture that the Yankees have. If you watch both teams, even though the Yankees have lopsided talent with one great hitter and some great pitching and the others are questionable, they still have the Yankees culture of being a behemoth (my team’s fans hate the Yankees like a lot of people, but this fact is true).
Othani was 3 years older than Soto is.
parking at intuit dome $80 but tickets to get in the game are still around $35
Juan Soto is now a Met. Next season, Juan will shatter Pete Alonso’s single-season franchise record with 54 home runs. In 2026, Juan will shatter Barry Bonds’ single-season record with 74 home runs. If Juan needs 562 more home runs, he will shatter Barry’s all-time record with 763 career home runs.
You're obviously kidding, right?
Nope. I’m dead serious.
A future HOF dont deserve 51 millon per year? Are you guys serious? A HOF PLAYER DESERVE HOF MONEY, PERIOD!!!
My take on the future of the contracts is going to be like the NFL the next “big fish” will always top the previous one
120 million was light on the estimate to be honest.
No money deferred is crazy, OVERPAID
Cry
Soto signing for this amount is far less detrimental to the state of the game than the Dodgers buying every free agent under the sun, so I don't know why the vibes were so different here compared to the Snell signing.
Life is good. LFGM
Before I listen to a word of this, i’m gonna guess Peter is gonna say something along the lines of “The Yankees are screwed”. I will come back to see if I was correct after.
It better correct. Because greed is going to kill this sport.
Only Roki can take this sting away. But it doesn’t appear in any of the four involved with Soto have a chance with Roki
Jack is so based.
Jack you don’t root for any team? That’s wild
He’s a White Sox fan, I believe (though maybe he’s abandoned them). I think he meant had no allegiance in this situation, since his team is obviously uninvolved in it-and arguably uninvolved in Major League Baseball™️. I admire people who are huge baseball fans, but don’t actually root for a specific team. At a minimum, they probably sleep better than the rest of us! 😆
Great player Big signing but we need to fix dat adventurous BP
Comparing to Shohei's is just pointless. He wasn't going anywhere else. Was Shohei open to go to LA, Mets, Yankees, Boston, Toronto? No. He wasn't. The bidding war wasn't there. The leverage wasn't there.
Peter where should we go from here?
Ohtani and Jordan, sure. Global figures, revolutionary in their sports, loved by most people. Lebron is closer to Soto than to those 2 guys.
He actually gets $880 million.
Jack hates players making money more than the owners sad to see. He always mentions their needs to be a correction in the market but absolutely doesn't burn the Rockies for charging 15$ for a Miller Lite
Let’s Go Mets!!! Times are changing fellas. Nobody is worth the money these guys get. Cohen is going to spend a lot more. Enjoy the ride.
I don't view the Mets better than the Yankees because they took the Dodgers to 6, the Dodgers came out the NLDS in 5 games with hardly any rest while the Yankees got a rested Dodgers team
Mets swept the Yankees 4 games. 😂
@JayzBeerz What does that have to do with this? they were comparing records in the playoffs. The only reason the Mets had 1 more win vs the Dodgers than the Yankess is because the Yankees faced starters 1 2 3 while the Mets faced 1 bullpen 2
@@allelujah1210the only game the Yankees won was the bullpen game. Stop the fake excuses.
Maybe the Mets are better because they didn't completely embarrass themselves like The Yankees did when they imploded in Game 5
@JayzBeerz Fake excuses? the Dodgers set a record by scoring the most runs in the NLCS, they demolished the Mets. Even though the Yankees won less game, they atleast kept it close
Poor peter
I’m sorry but the notion that is somehow a “mistake” is insane, you had 4 of the sharpest offices in baseball going to 700, maybe they happen to know more than you? And of course, even if the fair value is ~600, cohen has more money than God, and legacy is expensive.
I’m tired of hearing about Ohtani being so great! Let me blow your mind for a minute… Soto has a better career batting average on base percentage and OPS than Ohtani! soto is 26 entering his prime he will get better, Ohtani hit 257 when he was 26… also outside of this past year Ohtani only had 100 RBIs once! Let’s stop acting like Ohtani is perfect. Great hitter.
Mike king getting 200 mil?
Just my two cents, but this is a product of a broken MLB.
Oh no baseball’s most special boy isn’t the highest paid player anymore baseball is ruined
As a METS fan,I NEVER EVER saw us as the little brother!!!!
Okay your delusional lmao
@ Someone could call you a loser or a retard,but it means nothing to your psyche and the way you carry yourself unless you accept.
Because ultimately,it is not what others think of you but what you think of yourself. May sound corny to some,but it is so so so true.
I would know. And to say otherwise is delusional. LGM!!!❤️❤️❤️