It’s pretty clear the 4080 12GB (re-named 4070ti) was supposed to be a 4070, and this 4070 was supposed to be a 4060/4060ti. Nvidia tried to smoke screen everyone and assume we’re all stupid.
@@protogen_boi Nvidia doesn’t even believe that. The 4070 available at MSRP does not bode well for the next quarter's financial report, with last quarter’s report showing steep declines in revenue from their gaming segment. I suspect they’re getting too high off the AI supply and tried to pull a fast one to get us gamers to help fund their AI efforts. Though If you ignore gamers, things are just peachy keen over at Nvidia.
based on the die sizes and how performance dropped off a cliff compared to the 4090, the 4080 16gb should've been a 4070 Ti, the 4080 12gb should've been a 4070, and this 4070 should've been a 4060, they're just moving the product stack up in name and charging you more for it
Also this lovely inflation thing doesn't help, the 3070 MSRP of $499 would be $587 now thanks to inflation. (but the 4070 should have been faster, since every other 70 series was faster than the previous gen 80, not the same speed, without frame gen and dlss3 cheating)
@@michaeldmorrison nah youre way off, the 3070MSRP is way lower taking inflation into account, if you take inflation into account from like the last decade or longer, all the prices should be about 25-50% of what they are. its a scam bro, nvidia and AMD both.
After a nearly 20 year run with Nvidia, I finally decided that they are treating us as consumers with contempt with their specs and prices and just bought my first Radeon card in years. I also hope Intel does well with their ARC cards, especially when their second generation cards release next year.
Sounds like a good idea, except all the software and driver issues from AMD, RT tanking in Minecraft (maybe due to collusion but it's still a thing) and AMD cards notoriously die sooner than Nvidia. And you can't even go to the used market because they're largely half-dead mining cards and there's no way to know which ones are. If I was buying now I'd probably still buy Nvidia, but something moderate from last gen like 3060 or 3060 Ti, and just let that hold me over.
@@patsk8872 So far my new card has been good in the games I've played on it, but to be fair, I've only had it for a short time yet. But my purchase was made on principle and hopefully it proves to be good going forward. Time will tell. Competition in the market is so important.
@@patsk8872 i've used my 6800 xt for over 1.5 years now without any issues. It also has way more vram than the 3080 and thus is probable to age better (especially with AMD fine wine drivers). Unless you're going to need it for workloads other than gaming where nvidia excels (or maybe need nvenc) you should probably go AMD. Better rasterization performance at the same price and ray tracing is shit anyway. FSR may not be as visually good as DLSS (not fake frames), but with the extra FPS without upscaling the outcome will likely still be greater.
@@redpilljesus please share me ur experience , im thinking in gettin one but some complaints about noise and coil whine , i want a silent gpu , also about drivers and temps
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Yes, total contempt for their consumer base. Dropping the tier naming a level to milk the consumer. I'm sitting on a RTX2080 and not sure what I am going to do in the midterm for GPU upgrading. Maybe sit on it some more and see how the 7900XT matures. In the meantime - Flat game at 1080p with RT and VR game with settings on low but pushing high SS with VR-FSR on top. It'll do.
I think his was always planned. Tell ppl there are 2 different 4080 so everyone yells at them. Make it so you Rename it 4070 TI… and done. That Card is still just a lower Class Card. Its the 4070. Not the 4070 TI. But they can take more Money for it by doing so and they know many ppl dont know enough about whats up so they know the real Fanboys will defend it since its kinda good enough. Of corse thats just my Idea but i am certain they planned this from the Start. There is no Way they thought 2 different 4080 would be acceptable while he second one was more than 20% worse with less VRAM as well. No. They knew what they where doing in my Opinion.
I’ve been PC gaming for 20+ years and I’ve always enjoyed buying new hardware. The prices of the 4000 series cards are just ridiculous and I’m not upgrading until they sort the pricing out. I’ve got other hobbies I can spend my money on or places I would like to visit. Nvidia is simply shafting us.
I hope 4060/4060ti is the big wake up call for NVIDIA to realize people want more VRAM, if people just suck it up or buy 4070 instead, price/performance will simply continue to deteriorate.
Well, unfortunately, it would take more than just lower than average sales on the lower tier of their cards to really push them to be more considerate of the consumer. Having comparable quality competition would be a better way. Nvidia doesn't care if you skip the 40 series and buy the 50 series... They care if you skip the 40 series and buy AMD.
Remember Apple old playbook with 16Gb storage for entry and next one is 64Gb? I would be surprise if 4060 turn out to be good. The only card Nvidia want to sell you is 4080/4090 and they'll make sure to make other card look absurdly undesirable
VRAM costs a lot. And Nvidia isn't the one making every single part of the GPU so certain things cost more to them than others in terms of revenue versus margins. No "gamer" here actually bothers looking at the actual investment information Nvidia puts out, which basically shows you that they've already cut their margins really low and revenue's down. What you're getting right now is a really good deal but go ahead and be unreasonable, maybe they'll finally decide gamers aren't worth it and just shut down the product line.
@@rewardilicious nvidia reported record revenues during 3000 gen cuz they sold shit to miners, they have much higher margins selling 4000 at msrp compared to selling 3000 at msrp which was the plan. And you can't judge their margins based off financial reports dude.
im worried about the 4060ti [to have same perf of 3070ti or faster] coming with 8GB of Vram. its gonna be dead on arrival with the price tag they're going with.
@@phoenixrising4995 Nah, i say the 4060 will probably cost that much. The rtx 4050 will probably cost $300 which is still wayyy to much. The 6gb of vram makes the rtx 4050 a $200 card if not lower.
A 30 class 😂. I'm not convinced there will be one. Even when what will it look like? $300 for a model with 2gb vram 😂. Probably not even worth for HW transcoding in a Media Server, because of the price...
The 4070 was for sure going to be their 60 class GPU, the 4080 12GB (Now rebranded the 4070 Ti) was supposed to be the 70 class card. We will see Nvidia do this from time to time when they think they have a high enough performing card that they can use a smaller die size or an even more cutdown variant of a chip because they don't need to compete. Just look at the kepler architecture, they released the cutdown models for the 600 series or cards then released the full fat kepler cards with the 700 series.
too true, the marketers and accountants really squeeze as hard as they are able. Absolutely requires a competitor to have the market force to create better outcomes for the consumers.
@@kuma-bw1we research and development costs money higher priority and smaller silicon which results in more gpu cores costs money nvidia is majority of market, so they have more money Since it works as a feedback loop of selling more product, to get more money, which allows making better product...nvidia has the lead and momentum. It makes it hard for other companies to compete, and if they can't make something better, they can lower the price to compete with nvidia to give a better deal, but they can only lower so much before the gpu costs more to make than they get for selling it, so there's limits to that too. It makes it very hard to catch up for a company that is behind. You can google what % of the market each company has.
The rtx 4070 is a 50Ti class card, marketed as a 70 class card sold at 80 class price. The rtx 4070Ti is a 60 class card, marketed as a 70Ti class card, sold at 90 class price. The rtx 4080 is a 70 class card, marketed as an 80 class card sold at insane amount of money. The rtx 4090 is an 80 class card, marketed as a 90 class card, sold at ludicrous amount of money The upcoming RTX 4060Ti is a 50 class card, marketed as a 60Ti class card, sold at 70 class price.
I don't blame em though, waiting a year and a half to finally get my 3070ti at msrp took A LOT of patience haha. Glad I did though considering how the 40 series has turned out
We need both AMD and Intel to be strong competition to Nvidia if we want these continuous price increasing shenanigans to stop. I recently bought a new gaming monitor (went up from 1080p144 to 1440p165), and I made sure that the thing supports Gsync and Freesync, so that I'm no longer bound to one manufacturer.
Most monitor nowadays will have Freesync certified, even if they are not Gsync certified they are compatible with Gsync. Gsync/Freesync is a thing of the past, not something you should care anymore. Regardless, you can limit your fps to your 'liking'. Even for competitive games, it's wise to limit your fps to have consistence latency. I play in Vsync 120hz Valorant, perform no different than high fps.
@@tryfergoodra552 Yes you would benefits from higher fps if that's the case. In my case, my monitor is 120hz, so I basically just use Vsync it will limit to 120fps. In case you want to use adaptive sync(gsync/freesync), set fps limite 3 fps lower than your monitor refresh rate, for example 141fps to 144hz monitor, to avoid fps fluctuate above 144hz which cause screen tearing. As for the latency difference between vsync/rtss/nvidia or amd fps software limiter, many YT channel has covered that like linus tech/hardware unboxed/optimum tech. It's not a big deal for me, human reaction is way bigger factor than that few millisecond latency. Another advantage is, you will have lower power consumption and lower temperature, along with stable frametime.
@@GregoryShtevensh Yeah I know. From what I heard on Radeon is that you can simply undervolt to make some respectable gains in cooling but I don't know much about how well it works on Radeon as I recently got into undervolting for my 2070 for which it does work great.
@@Pazo139 unundervolted my 6800xt to 900mv I have 1-2% less Performance and 80W! less powerdraw . I cooled the Referenz Design To 55-60 degree😄. For AMD Card ist a Special Tool you can modify the GPU BIOS without flashing it. Windows Loads the modified Bios from your File instead of the Card. So you can undervolt the vram / Board easy,too
To be honest after alchemist from intel, I'm hoping they can shake up the market just enough to whip nvidia back into giving a good deal for once. Battlemage looks exciting let's all hope intel are quick learners
Intel ARC actually has a very competitve ray tracing implementation against Nvidia's 3060 or even 3060Ti in some cases. It also has the VRAM one would expect from AMD. All the while not chopping the memory bandwidth bus like a moe. Nvidia has decided it wants to be Apple including their melting 12-pin dongles.
People like you just want others to make Nvidia give better deals so you can buy Nvidia for cheaper. That's why we're in this shitty market, the consumers are simply not logical and do not support better value products they just simp for one company brainlessly 🤡
Supposedly 4070 Ti-4080 performance (in DX12 / Vulkan specifically) in 2024, same year RDNA 4 and the 50 Series likely arrive? Better be VERY good pricing.
@@LucidStrike with the way things are going, they could be priced at only "okay" levels, and still be a W, because you KNOW Nvidia's jacking up the 5000 series price tags, and AMD would be like $50 less.
tbh, i really agreed with your comment saying this card should be 500$ since it will destroy the market of mid range. Nvidia can just let out 4070 Super at this point with 16 Gigs in same price (600 $).
@@vextakes considering how peps now ditched out Nvidia harder, it probably happen. That unless if China really gonna poke Taiwan so TSMC production got disturbed, that would be different shitshow (no political, but its strongly related).
In Sweden - 4090 $2230, 4080 $1540, 4070ti $1110, 4070 $750. 7900XTX $1450, 7900XT $1240. I dont think the $750 looks that bad in terms of price. The 7900XT is 41% faster at 4k for a 93% price increase, not sure that sounds good either? I rather buy the 4070 if so. But if you live in US and dont have to pay these prices for a card, sure I understand. Many of us dont wont to spend $3000 on a computer, so going to 4070ti instead is a lot of money for many. So the 750 is a good buy for them, since its cheapest. The 6800xt 3080 cards etc are soon all sold out, so even if they are good value now, when they sell out there is no option.
Given the trend in AI and the memory demand related to it I bought a 3090 for £725 as I wanted memory over out and out performance (or power efficiency for that matter). Entry level now needs to be 12 GB, mid 16GB and top 24 GB+ IMO. (Not for specifically for AI reason but 1440P/4K becoming more common)
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Jesus fucking Christ. I'm in aus and it's not even that bad here. But bloody hell even here the 6950xt is still in (what I'd imagine limited) stock for like the same price as a 4070. There is NO value in recent gens. So I feel you but... Man 1300!? What's your gov' doing? Have you guys been hit with an extra 20% inflation?
PC gaming in general is becoming too pricey. If someone only wants to play games, and doesn't need modding, buying a console is probably the way to go.
0:53 I love that you pointed out that the 70 class card used to match or exceed the previous gen flagship. So many people have short term memories and think the prices are fine.
@@spzHades I dont know what you are all doing with your gpu, that drivers are crushing. I have 6800 for a half of a year and had 0 crashes. And always have last drivers
If Nvidia really wants to wait people out hoping to force them to buy $300+ GPU with only 8GB of VRAM, I hope Nvidia ends up waiting years for these to sell through. I'm sure investors will be asking question when discrete sales drop from 1.5-1.8G$/quarter to well under 1G$ thanks to on-going sales slowdown. On the plus side, the A750 looks more promising than ever with the April drivers.
Low sales is to be expected. For the most part nvidia investor no longer care much how gaming sales are doing. If they are concerned about something it is how those mining will affect sales going forward not gaming. If anything nvidia current pricing of 40 series is about addressing shareholder/investor concern.
@@devil8975 If the 8GB cards were intended for mining, Intel's A750 with twice as much memory bandwidth as similarly priced 8GB cards should have been flying off the shelves. They aren't.
Mixed with some models of the 6800 XT and the 6950 Xt being found at or below 599. The 4070 is in a very tight spot. If they released it at the same MSRP at the 3070, it would've probably done much better.
and AMD has node shrink mass-market cards coming down the pipe. all nvidia has done this gen is highlight how amd feature support is superior at the high end and less cpu intensive at the low end. no shortage means customers can shop smart. whoops!
@@toad7395 Misconception. A mid range card costs the amount a company deems profitable, this means after factoring in fixed and variable cost, which have both gone up significantly across the board over the past 3 years. Do you honestly think that Nvidia is leaving tons of money on the table for not using more attractive prices and that they'd earn more at 300$ for the 4070?
Yeah I'm a little underwhelmed. I currently have a 1660 Super that I'm looking to upgrade - my main motivation there is that it has 3 video outputs and I've got 4 monitors so I want a card that can drive all 4 without weird dongles and what not. To me the 3060 or 3070 just aren't fast enough to make me feel like upgrading. The 4070 is a big enough jump but $599 is just too steep. $399 or maybe even $449 and I'd have one on the way to my house right now. Now I'm waffling between maybe buying an AMD 6700 XT to hold me over or just making do and waiting out AMD's or even Intel's next product release to see where those products land value-wise.
As an upgrade from 30-series? Even arguably 20-series? That ain’t it, chief. As an upgrade from 10-series or earlier? Hell yeah (and it’s what I’m doing). The 4070 in particular is a very enticing upgrade, and one I pulled the trigger on upgrading from my GTX 1080 in my main rig, for its TDP alone relative to the other cards SINCE the 1080, for people (like me) running on a 650W PSU (which I will be upgrading eventually as well, but not quite yet).
I'm in a similar boat. Used to have a 1080TI (paired with a 9900k), upgraded to a 7900xt and also got myself a 13700k and I'm extremely happy lol. The CPU upgrade was forced because I bricked my mobo (it had several issues before that I always thought were GPU or even PSU related despite getting an EVGA GQ 1000W supply less than a year ago) and the CPU upgrade made me even more happy because of work-related tasks. I went up from 1440p witth averages as low as 1440p 45 to 4k 60+ and even triple digits which is crazy.
First time in my life buying all amd setup, surprised how well it goes. Just let the market decided, is good that people are avoiding the new 40 series nvidea cards
And the CRAZY thing is that most of these new cards are ONLY hitting 4k/60fps or 1440p/120 using 'AI UPSCALINGING'. So they're STILL REALLY only rendering games at an internal resolution of 1080p, or lower...
1080p is optimal for gaming, change my mind... If the screens are too big, it takes too much effort for your eyes to travel, tiring your eyes out, and not only that, but while you're moving your eyes to look at the health-bar, most of the rest of your game is out of your field of view, making it harder for you to see that rocket coming at you from your peripheral vision... 1080p has all the information you need, at the perfect size where your peripheral vision can catch anything happening on-screen, regardless of what you're actually looking at... It's the most ideal for gaming performance. 1440p is just a bit too big, and obviously anything above that is WAY too big.
Everything you spoke about in this video is what the entire consumer base is thinking more or less. The cards and PC parts are going through the roof. They forget PC gamers need money for life, medical needs, insurance, savings, loving expenses, and even games because if you buy a PC to game you'll want to have money for games.
@@tropicvibe not now sadly the closet thing is a 1630. And thats basically a 1050ti selling for more than a 1050ti did back in the day. best entry level is like a r9 290x or 8GB variant be it the 8GB 290x that is harder to find or the R9 390X 8GB which is easy to find for like 100 bucks orso. give about 1650 super levels of performance maybe better or worse depending on the game, but it does require modded drivers because AMD is terrible with supporting their products once released so the official drivers for it are basically useless for most modern games. but the modded drivers are very good, much better than AMD official drivers they have for new cards. so it is a valid option imo that has good value for the money and can play any game at nice settings on 1080p.
Exactly this. Nvidia forgets that GPUs are a luxury buy, not a necessity for life. If they are too expensive we will gladly buy from cheaper competition or go without and buy consoles or Steam Deck instead.
AMD aren't doing much at the moment, and I bet as soon as they come out with their next few cards they will drop the ball straight away. The 6800 XT is still mostly £550+ in the UK, more often around £650, and some still £750 SOMEHOW.
@@Blue-jn1ph Yes I've been hearing, and it's been annoying me haha. Shops in the UK still think the damn things are worth £700 I'm looking at the Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT Pulse at Overclockers, and its £650, and it says SAVE 21% WOW! The price without the saving is £818.99. That damn card should be less than £500 now, without a saving. Simply can't pay that much for a 2 year+ old card. It was £600 on launch.
To think that they were going to sell that thing for like 900 bucks as a 4080 variant. Imagine what the 4070 would look like then! It would be insanity! It would barely be beating it's predecessor. Maybe they thought they could barely beat out it's predecessor and then claim that it had DLSS 3 and better Ray Tracing and that simply because it beat the last gen card's value ever so slightly, that it would be a win after two years.
5:12 Their asterisk is that the 20 series comparison is only 20 series whereas the 79% is 20 30 and 40 series, so they have 3 generations of card owners who have "used" those features once vs one generation in the 20 series.
I am one of those people, but we wouldn't have if we didn't have to. I was desperate during the mining bubble and GPU shortage. The 3060 Ti was the only acceptable compromise at the time, lower end cards were just as expensive, and higher end cards would cost an arm and a leg. Work demanded GPU rendering to save time.
@@KelvinKMS And now you have Generative AI driving up the costs by competing for production time at TSMC .... How do you compete against corporations willing to spend $35,000 on a H100? If Nvidia can't make decent money on a 4070 the reality is they won't sell them at all because they can make something else that's more profitable ..... Just like you are going to take the job that pays you the most money, Nvidia is going to take the job that pays them the most money and right now that "employer" is Generative AI
@@KelvinKMS 3060 Ti's (at least the not shit tier ones) were going for around $600-$700 in the EU until the 40 series launch, where they dropped off now by a hundred or so.
The whole 4000-series is way overpriced and should have the prices dropped, i think they should drop the MSRP to something like this: 4090 $999 USD 4080 $749 USD 4070 ti $449 USD 4070 $329 USD I would actually feel like buying a 4000-series card if the prices were anything like that.
I agree with all the prices except the 4090 which is fine at 1599$ since that is only a little bit more expensive than last gen's 3090. Also, at that price, the 4090 will literally destroy AMD in every way and the top end AMD cards would be worthless unless they drop the price significantly. The 4080 is fine at 799$ and 4070Ti is fine at 599$ and 4070 is fine at 499$. These are all according to the MSRPs of last gen and if the prices were like this, all the 40 series cards would be sold out.
What good deals? Lol. Good deals compared to the absolutely dreadful prices we’ve had in the last few years - but prices are still abysmal compared to historic price trends.
@@vezz9913 Nvidia is overall actually cheaper here, besides 6700XT and below those usually are. but even the 3070 being a lot cheaper than the 6800, the thing is, the 6800 is a lot better about 200-300% better in a lot of cases especially with RTX. so the 3070 is still not worth it at all just because it doesnt have enough Vram for most games, especially with RTX. so id rather pay 500 for a 6800 vs 350 for a 3070.
DLSS is the new standard but ray tracing is still a gimmick. DLSS allows lower budget cards to perform better allowing people with mid level PC's to enjoy better quality at the cost of latency but lets be real if you are not competing at esports levels in fps games the latency that frame generation creates is a none issue for 99.99% of gamers.
When it comes to VRAM, they couldn't put more VRAM in the 4070, because it has a 192 bit bus, which means it can have up to 6x 32 bit GDDR6 chips and you get up to 2GB per GDDR6 chip. 12GB is the maximum.
The memory interface doesn't get inside the card by magic. It's put there by Nvidia. Nvidia decided that it couldn't have more than 12GB on purpose, by design.
@@AnotherAnonymousFag But then the die size would be bigger, the price would be higher(even though Nvidia has been massively overpricing their GPUs since the gtx 1000 series), so will the power consumption, which further increases price. And I'm not defending Nvidia with this, I'm just stating that there is a limitation.
@@ivankovachev8835 All of these limitations are imposed by Nvidia. This is done entirely on purpose. Nvidia designs the card. None of this is a strange accident.
@@AnotherAnonymousFag They can have a bigger memory bus, but then the card costs more and consumes more power. Same with AMD, the 7900XTX could have had 512 bit bus and competed with the 4090, but it would have consumed 600W and costed a lot more The 4070Ti could have had a 256 bit bus, but it would have consumed as much as, if not more than the 4080, unless you clock it lower. The 4070 could have had 256 bit bus, but it would have consumed over 250W or had lower performance due to lower clock speeds. And in all those cases both power and price go up, and those two are very negative. If people want hardware to last, tell sony and microsoft to never make a new console again and to developers to stop making better graphics. Also stop buying overpriced GPUs, because people have been doing it since 2012 when it comes to Nvidia, exception being the gtx 700 series. And since 2019 when it comes to AMD, exception being the Radeon VII.
Remember back in 2018 . This Nvidia enginner was debating with me about how DLSS is better than Native resolution and I basically challenged him to the point he was speechless . I said that Nvidia don't want to spend money producing a GPU which can truly handle native 4k and above so they came out this "fake " resolution to upsale gamers . Nothing will ever beat the sharpness of a true 4k image . Once there's drop in pixel count it's inferior period !! I think FSR is better not because of image quality per say but the fact that it's software driven . FSR could be the reason why a lot of Pascal owners don't see the need to upgrade to 4000 series because they have a resolution upscaler in modern games which brings GTX1000 series to life . Shame on Nvidia for making DLSS hardware driven to get gamers to upgrade from Pascal to new generation . I believe that there no reason why frame generation and DLSS 3.0 can't work on 3000 series.
I don't use dlss/fsr. 1440p on 4k is worth to try before dlss/fsr. If ideal fps lands between 1440p and 4k, I will switch to lower graphic setting instead. The artifacts produced by "AI upscaling" are unbearable for me, I would prefer soften image than weird image.
The only benefit I see in DLSS is the anti-aliasing. It's way better than TAA. Some games have very poor implementation of TAA even at native 4K. Games like Death Stranding and Horizon Zero Dawn looks better with DLSS. Now if somehow they can update those games to use DLAA it's going to be even better.
still not regretting my 3070. Cant tell the difference between high and ultra so 1440p high settings with dlss and I aint experiencing these vram problems. Still, I'll join in the complaining anyway since it will benefit me in the long run if Nvidia receives enough backlash to lower prices or deliver better products
It is just bs that before the next generation 70 class card even launched, the 3070 is being bottlnecked at max graphics and higher resolution in modern games, even thought the GPU has plenty of rasterization and performance to run at those quality settings and resolution but is just limited by it's total amount of VRAM.
There's 2 things playing out on prices, what got em so high is crypto, but what's keeping em this high is the massive loss of purchasing power from printing trillions upon trillions of dollars world wide during covid. Hard to blame nvidia for selling a product for more when the currency itself is worth less. It's not a coincidence that all necessities are up big time, that housing is going out of control or that gpu prices are skyhigh. If you want to point fingers, point it at your governments.
Hypocritically, I bought it, and at the same time I'm happy that no-one else wants to buy it. I had some weird circumstances that made the 4070 the most sensible choice this time. But if I didn't have the weird combination of needing an upgrade with a low tdp, good RT and compatibility with certain special applications, I would totally team up with those getting an AMD-card, waiting for Intel Battlemage, or holding out in order to make Nvidia see that they need to lower the price to performance ratio when the 50-series launches.
Rocking a 12 gig 3060. Should be ok for a little bit for me at 1440. Definitely will be looking at amd or Intel if Nvidia keeps this up by the time I upgrade.
Picked up a used 3080 for $430 a few months back. It seems like an even more solid decision looking back now. I hope Nvidia gets their heads out of their asses with pricing on the 50 series. If not I guess I'll try out an AMD card if their prices are better next gen.
@@KelvinKMS I've got my 3080 running 1870 mhz at 850 mv, so it draws about 240 watts during normal gaming. I couldn't care less about dlss 3.0 personally.
This isn't a big deal as it's just a return to the norm. Video card scalping or selling above MSRP wasn't a normal thing until the 20 series. 60/70 series were always well stocked once they released. I picked up a 1080ti on release day from Newegg without trouble and a bit over a week later decided I wanted to SLI so went right back to Newegg for the 2nd.
man im using a 1080ti... havent upgraded my pc at all for 5 years, obviously it's starting to catch up to me but i can still hang with video games but Recently i realized when it comes to productivity i cant hang lol. I can barely run unreal engine 5. Which led me to choosing a card and i can't decide what 40 series to buy because everyone is saying they're bad value lol
I just built my first pc early this year, and in december i ordered a 7900 xtx. Because i knew it was gonna take a lot of time for it to arrive i ended up buying a used 6700xt, after using the card for over a month and seeing how much better it was than my laptop 1070 i decided it was gonna be enough for me to wait for next gen and hope for better prices (or for current prices to drop). As soon as i realized how overpriced these premium cards are (by looking at how good my 300$ used one was), i decided to vote with my wallet despite picking all my parts for a much bigger card. Let's see if they learn and how they will price the next gen.
AT THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN AND WANT A 600$ ISH CARD YOU WILL BUY THE RX 6950XT ITS WAY FASTER AND HAS 16GB VRAM IF YOU WANT A 300$ CARD GET A RX 6700XT IF YOU WANT CHEAPER LOOK TO RX 5700 OR GTX 1080 TI
I think you put it very correctly. People who want to spend money no matter what won't buy a 4070, they'll look at 4080s and up. So those people are out of the market for it. Then people who want a budget build with a good gpu probably don't want to spend 600 either and are waiting for a 4060/ti class. So in the end, this cards is marketed towards....No one in particular? Too cheap for high end people, too expensive for most mid range people.
I'm at a point in my life where I can afford whatever card I want (software dev with extensive experience), but I absolutely refuse to pay the absolutely ridiculous prices they are charging..I refuse to be gouged. These MSRP prices are still just taking the royal ****. I'll stick with my 2070 and 2060 cards till there is either something sensible/killer in the high end, or I have no choice lol.
@@FOXDUDETV I live in Bulgaria, where we have torrents to downlad every game we need without payng a coin. Buying an console and pay 60 eu for every game is not a valid option for us.
@@FOXDUDETV I have had consoles, and I don't use them. I also have a steamdeck with a steam dock, ps5 controller etc....I barely use it. I prefer my seated PC with mouse.and keyboard, and without nerfed graphics.
@@derrick2181 I could do the same, but the prices are still being milked on the back of the crypto phase, and nvidia's desire for higher profits. RTX 4080 for $1200 MSRP ? That's double the price of a GTX 1080 at launch. So when we look at a RTX 4070 for $600 that isn't even a flag ship card, it's an utter joke price. Things change in life, but I'm just not paying it lol. I'll buy myself more 3D printers, a brand new car, but I will NOT be scalped.
@@matthewwain9958 Understandable, but the nerfed graphics for most gamers' wallets are on the PC side atm. Most gamers are priced out of good graphics if they stick to PC, and those who aren't still have to deal with shader stutter and possibly Vram issues.
not only do I not care about ray tracing I don't care about 4k either so 1440p rasterisation is fine for me and in this area my 2080ti is still fine. Hilariously it runs raytracing overdrive mod with the optimisation mod in.cp2077 just fine too.
@@PiggyByt3 sure go for it just look for the model that cost 599 (had the 3060ti TUF, very silent but later changed it for the founder's edition, just for looks but tuf is generally cooler in thermals and noise because of the triple fan).
@@maniau woah! nice! there is a lot of noice for the 4070FE, but its affordable though! I am looking forward for the Aorus 4070 as well, so im choosing between TUF and Aorus 4070 , teeh eee
Honestly (I own a 4080, it was a good deal on Sale here in Australia) they should have made the 4080/70i/70 more powerful/higher performance. The 4090 does well not because of price, but because of the generational leap forward! They're creating a situation where every card you look at (especially in the US) leave you wondering if you should just go up a tier. So that eventually stops at the 4090. For me the 4090 was just too expensive in Australia and a 4080 on sale was the sweet spot. But even now theyre asking 1200AU for a 70ti but 1100AUD for the 70 non ti. Why on earth would anyone buy that? 1000 dollara is alot of money here! Its a weeks wages (more than if you're on minimum wage) and nobody looking to make sacrifices in performance to save money is going to jaw drop at a $1000+ card Edit: Unless the performance warrents it, as the 4090 is still one of the best selling GPUs even in Australia, its just we're selling more 4080s than the USA by comparison due to our pricing
And a bit more VRAM wouldn't have hurt. 20gb on the 4080, 16gb on the 70ti, more rasterisation on all cards below the 4090 by 10% even... that's basically all they needed
As a fellow Aussie, AMD is the undisputed king both in terms of time being sold out at Aussie retailers despite cheaper online prices from US available, and by price to performance. Just like most people here own a PS5 and so its price is inflated compared to the Xbox Series, so it is with Nvidia and AMD. The 6750xt at 630AUD sold out everywhere except CentreCom within 6 hours. You can't get 6800 or 6800xt local at all anymore. 6950xt at 1250 from JW is also almost sold out, despite being a much smaller market.
@@ilyadonskikh1868yeah fair enough. If you're talking last Gen that's probably true at the moment at least. But that is also available stock to begin with as much as it is sales. Just look of Marketplace and you will see alot more Nvidia cards for sale than AMD. And as long as you can get a 4080 for the same price as a 7900xtx, people will opt for the 4080. Again on marketplace, you see people asking to swap their 7900 cards for 4080s but dont see anyone asking to swap the other way around. Although Ive considered it personally because even with 16gb of VRAM and using a 1440p monitor, I'm still worried about VRAM over time
Same for different reasons. I'm coming up from an ancient system that finally absolutely demands an upgrade. I went with the 7900XTX as the current reasonable top of the line. NVidia can keep their overpriced stuff.
I don't know how are sales in other parts of the world but in Romania the card is hard to find. My order was rejected twice in two different stores because it was out of stock. Here the cheapest models cost €625. I don't think it will get any cheaper than that, prices were always high in Europe.
Excellent talking points. We need to be scrutinising this stuff a lot more in reviews and discussion or both NVIDIA and AMD will keep thinking they can aggressively ramp up prices each generation for only standard generational improvements. It's completely unsustainable.
And it turns out, except for the high end 4090, people STILL aren't using RT. Because it's not supported in most games, and it still takes an unacceptably large performance hit. Not a single person I know that has a 4080 or 4070ti uses RT. The gaming Cafe places I know actually permanently disable it, and won't let it run on their systems. Because they were getting so many people bitching about how bad it performed. RT is really worthless.
One thing people might be forgetting is that the 4090 is a really good card for 3D artists. We need that extra VRAM for rendering and the 4090 is basically twice as fast as the 3090.
Cant they bring back gtx series with more vram and no rtx cores with more reasonable prices?I mean i have an rtx 3070 but i had rtx off in almost every game because i prefer better fps in games and the only game i wanted to try it was RE4 remake and the game crashed because of the 8gb vram
nVidia just went bonkers with the price tag of the 4000 series. The 4090 is without a doubt the most powerful GPU and you get fast and big VRAM (and raw power in rasterization). And even that thing sold .... meh. Enthusiasts grabbed it, but that's about it. The 4080 is basically an overpriced 7900 XTX and AMD currently has a much better (even if unknown) reputation of getting more performance out of the cards over time (see LTT). Then, there is the 4070 Ti. It has 12GB of VRAM at a price point of 880€. Making it slower than a 7900 XT, more expensive and with 8GB of VRAM less than the AMD competitor. Now, the 4070 (let's call it 4070 Ti - because the 4070 Ti most likely was the planned 4080 "12G") delivers even less performance, an incredibly limited VRAM at a price point of a whole PS5 or XBox. This is hilarious - considering a 4070 NOW costs the SAME as a 6950 XT (650€) while a 6900 XT is already faster. The 4070s will age like milk considering their low VRAM (just look at the 3070 vs. 6800 XT now) and its price vs. performance point. nVidia surely knows how to build GPUs - so does AMD (and Intel very soon). But what I really, really hate about nVidia is that they give you JUST the amount of performance for what you are ready to spend and depending on that, you will be forced to pay again soon after when a part of their graphics cards is outdated. A 4070 Ti with 16GB of GDDR6 (not even the X variant) for 380€ would sell like fresh bread. You must understand that the XX70 series are and have always been mid-tier GPUs.
he right....nvidia have all the cards in played we are just waiting amd turn and make their move since they have history making mistakes by releasing 7900xt and 7900xtx only cards and forgot entire midrange line up cause amd does not care for budget users anymore and delays of fsr3...all that stuff is way worse than arc770 putting more faith in releasing than AMD waited since december just 2 cards without no software and incomplete support of drivers then amd stop updating older gen for entire 2 months
I really wanna upgrade my pc, but are unsure what to do. Buy an 2 year old amd 6800xt/6900xt or wait for the 7800xt? Is amd even releasing an 7800xt? Where does it fit in the portfolio? Even an 20% performance increase would be too close to an 7900xt. I have to say, that I'm not buying and nvidia card this gen. I'm not supporting this price policy.
I`m happy that i got a 3060 with 12 gb of vram since at least the performance is not capped but i think it`s my last Nvdia GPU and i`m going to get a Radeon next since i don`t give a shit about Ray Tracing and i`m not willing to pay my entire salary for a GPU that won`t last me even 3 years
You pretty much nailed the situation. Customers of the 70 and 60 series cards are looking for value. Many just don't have the budget to entertain a card in the 600 dollar range. I don't know who this 4070 is supposed to be for.
My two cents on the pricing, only cause it has been seen before. They are doing the exact same thing they did with the 10 series and 20 series. The 10 series had a good price:performance value, and then crypto exploded causing people to buy up and resell high. Nvidia even got in trouble for failing to properly express how much of their sells ended up being for crypto, then used it as a reason to not only get more buy-ins to their stock, but then turn around and sell the 20 series which wasn't even all that much of a gain in performance over the 10 series until the 20 supers came out. Even then you were better off keeping a 10 series over getting a 20 series cause the big 'feature' wasn't even something many games had until far after the launch. The price:performance of the 20 series was abysmal too. Then the 30 series comes out and everyone is stunned by the price, back to days of old when you could get a high performance card for an affordable price, but again the Crypto boom was happening and due to poor attempts on sellers part, most of these ended up going to either crypto miners or scalpers with only a small handful ending up in gamers hands. Prices go up exponentially and Nvidia can't keep up with demand. Fast forward to 40 series, and we are seeing the same thing happen again that happened with 20 series. The prices of the card aren't really matching the performance aside from the highest end of the spectrum. The cuda count reductions from 90 (16384) to 80 (9728) (60%) to 70 (5880) (36%) is ridiculous compared to 30 series 90 (10496), 80 (8960) (85%), 70 (6144) (59%). It is almost as if they had horrible yields that require them to cut the GPU down further than usual and they are then trying to recoup the cost on a product that doesn't really fit the bill it should be at. Does the 4080 perform as good as or better than a 3090? Yes, but this is the kind of generational leap you are expecting in performance. Your 2nd/3rd tier card should be performing as well as, if not better than, your prior flagship without the price hike. I'm not counting the Ti in this yet as those cards typically don't come out until much later in the release cycle (IE 4090 Ti, 4080Ti, 4070 Ti). I am saying this as a 4080 owner, but also as someone who upgraded from a 1080 GTX that literally died. I almost went AMD this GPU round, but saw that their initial offering wasn't really what I was expecting it to be. Had I not gotten nearly a $175 mark off on the 4080 due to being a restock I probably would have had a 7900xtx instead.
I'm fine for 1440p gaming with my 3070, I'm waiting to see where they will be at with ray tracing at the time of the 50xx. It still seems to be far from usable ( in a decent price range ) right now so I might as well just stick with my ryzen 3600 and rtx3070, then get a complete new build when they figured it out and we get lots good games supporting all that stuff
@@bankaispirits i was thinking about upgrading cpu and mobo next year since my r5 3600 still performance pretty good on most games and definitely get a way better cpu than the 5600
I am using my trusty 1080 Ti until we get graphics cards again that don't use as much wattage as a washing maschine, doesn't get as hot as a toaster, are not as huge as a literal brick and won't cost 1000$+. But that's probably just wishful thinking.
I have money for a gpu but i refuse to upgrade, no meaningful perormance gain for the money, i can barely sell my 3070 for 400 usd and what do i get for 600 800 usd? 10-30 + fps?
So I hate to be that guy but after seeing a ton of videos about gpu prices, one does have to ask because no one else does: why are people complaining about gpu prices? If the gpu(pc in general) is making you money..then it's an investment..other wise it's a luxury/entertainment purpose..I'm only asking cause...no one else is....I could spit this question even more but I'm lazy and don't feel like it..thanka
Will Nvidia lower the price? NOPE! They will hold out until the bitter end. Bitter for the consumer, because in this game of chicken, the consumer has always been the one who blinks, so Jensen sees no reason they wouldn't blink again.
I still haven't bothered upgrading from my 1080ti, only had slight struggles with cyberpunk (although this was a little after release so optimisation was meh). That being said I'm still sticking with 1080p so I'm gonna be fine for a while ahah
I remember the days when high graphics topped out at $300 but there where more manufacturers too. Now with only 3 players its tough to get good pricing.
so, which card do i need to buy to play comfortably on 1440 ultrawide? coming from 1050 ti - RTX 4070 - RX 6800XT - RTX 3080 10 GB - RTX 3070 Ti i'm considering to buy either of that since i want to play comfortably in ultrawide 1440p
@@АнаниГълъбов I probably playing mostly racing games, single player one like rdr2, etc something like that, mostly single player one Multiplayer one it'll be quite rare, probably only testing some games and mostly I'll play normal Minecraft
Just got reccomended this and good stuff. I've been wanting to build a PC for a bit from my 2600x and 1070ti but the GPU market is just so trash rn. Either good cards come out that are instantly sold out or you can easily find the cards for near msrp but are priced horrendously. At this point I feel like I'm just going to make new build with the same GPU, reap the benefits on CPU bound esports titles and just wait.
It's almost always more worth to just buy 1-2 entire gens behind the current top. Sure you won't be able to max the newest games but you'll save a lot of money on the gaming hobby. Still rocking GTX 1060 6gb on 144hz and it does me just fine
It's not a typical to get a large jump in price/perf between generations. It's half the generations since 600 series. There are two outliers, 30 series and 900 series. Which both fixed a architectural mistake that hampered previous generation. 10 and 30 series jumped to a node that offered cheaper transistors. And with 10 series the die shrink came with a significant boost in clock speed 1070 was able to clock 50% higher than 980 ti because of the die shrink that didn't cost too much. 40 series jumped to node that offered more expensive memory controllers and a bit cheaper compute, yes if you over double the cost of silicon the parts that don't shrink get more expensive. And there wasn't a large architectural change to fix any kind of imbalance that exists to limit the performance in existing games. With increase in wafer costs each price point needs a smaller GPU to fit its cost target, while the most expensive GPU can still use as much silicon as manufacturing offers. Now the huge jump for 4090 in terms of performance comes simply by fact that it uses twice as expensive silicon compared to 3090, and 3090 used silicon designed for 3080 price point. What we should expect from 50 series. Well TSMC offers 25% more expensive wafers for 3nm compared to 4nm. The SRAM scales by only 5%, the memory controllers don't scale either, only thing that scales is pure logic transistors. And there's rumors that 3GB memory chips become available in about year and a half. So 50% increase in memory capacity at given bus width. So hopefully each of the current price tier gets 50% increase in memory capacity. Oh and the top-end is designed for workstations and rest of the lineup is designed for laptops. And with laptops the size does matter which limits the number of memory chips at given tier in addition to bus width.
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It’s pretty clear the 4080 12GB (re-named 4070ti) was supposed to be a 4070, and this 4070 was supposed to be a 4060/4060ti. Nvidia tried to smoke screen everyone and assume we’re all stupid.
they're still being bought soo...
For real
@@protogen_boi Nvidia doesn’t even believe that. The 4070 available at MSRP does not bode well for the next quarter's financial report, with last quarter’s report showing steep declines in revenue from their gaming segment. I suspect they’re getting too high off the AI supply and tried to pull a fast one to get us gamers to help fund their AI efforts. Though If you ignore gamers, things are just peachy keen over at Nvidia.
based on the die sizes and how performance dropped off a cliff compared to the 4090, the 4080 16gb should've been a 4070 Ti, the 4080 12gb should've been a 4070, and this 4070 should've been a 4060, they're just moving the product stack up in name and charging you more for it
@@memethief4113 That's true, a real "4080" class card should have been at least 5-10% closer to the 4090.
It just blows my mind that the MSRP for the 1070 was in the 300's and now the 4070 is like 600
Nope. 1070 usually cost more than 400. I bought 1060 6gb for a bit over 300, 1060 3gb was cheaper, like 230
Also this lovely inflation thing doesn't help, the 3070 MSRP of $499 would be $587 now thanks to inflation. (but the 4070 should have been faster, since every other 70 series was faster than the previous gen 80, not the same speed, without frame gen and dlss3 cheating)
@@michaeldmorrison nah youre way off, the 3070MSRP is way lower taking inflation into account, if you take inflation into account from like the last decade or longer, all the prices should be about 25-50% of what they are. its a scam bro, nvidia and AMD both.
@@deivytrajan well its a shame you continously bought over msrp during a period where you could get cards for sale under msrp
@@deivytrajan I don't know about the 1070, but I bought a 970 for 330€ and now the 4070 costs 670€...
Its safe to say avoid midrange in this generation unless you using 900 series era
I do wonder how AMD midrange will fair. It all depends on the price range at this point as well.
GTX 980ti user here, still not upgrading 😊
@@Deliveredmean42 who knows but for me use 6700xt i do skip that probably
@@Deliveredmean42there's always a better performance amd at the same price as nvidia card. If we're talking mid range or lower
@@terang5189 Very. Who knows if the rx 7700 card will be good this gen. Gotta see them reviews as usual.
After a nearly 20 year run with Nvidia, I finally decided that they are treating us as consumers with contempt with their specs and prices and just bought my first Radeon card in years. I also hope Intel does well with their ARC cards, especially when their second generation cards release next year.
Sounds like a good idea, except all the software and driver issues from AMD, RT tanking in Minecraft (maybe due to collusion but it's still a thing) and AMD cards notoriously die sooner than Nvidia. And you can't even go to the used market because they're largely half-dead mining cards and there's no way to know which ones are. If I was buying now I'd probably still buy Nvidia, but something moderate from last gen like 3060 or 3060 Ti, and just let that hold me over.
@@patsk8872 So far my new card has been good in the games I've played on it, but to be fair, I've only had it for a short time yet. But my purchase was made on principle and hopefully it proves to be good going forward. Time will tell. Competition in the market is so important.
@@patsk8872 i've used my 6800 xt for over 1.5 years now without any issues. It also has way more vram than the 3080 and thus is probable to age better (especially with AMD fine wine drivers).
Unless you're going to need it for workloads other than gaming where nvidia excels (or maybe need nvenc) you should probably go AMD. Better rasterization performance at the same price and ray tracing is shit anyway. FSR may not be as visually good as DLSS (not fake frames), but with the extra FPS without upscaling the outcome will likely still be greater.
@@patsk8872 Just bought a brand new 6950 XT from Best Buy for $649. Didn't have to mess with used, mined-on. And it came with TLoU Part I. Score.
@@redpilljesus please share me ur experience , im thinking in gettin one but some complaints about noise and coil whine , i want a silent gpu , also about drivers and temps
And of course, let us never forget that this was probably going to be the 4070 ti before Nvidia had to backtrack on their 4080 situation
Yeah, imagine how bad this 4060...... sorry 70 would've been otherwise.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Yes, total contempt for their consumer base. Dropping the tier naming a level to milk the consumer. I'm sitting on a RTX2080 and not sure what I am going to do in the midterm for GPU upgrading. Maybe sit on it some more and see how the 7900XT matures. In the meantime - Flat game at 1080p with RT and VR game with settings on low but pushing high SS with VR-FSR on top.
It'll do.
yeah they probably just underclocked it to artificially reduce performance so it doesnt compete with the 4080 so wel
I think his was always planned. Tell ppl there are 2 different 4080 so everyone yells at them. Make it so you Rename it 4070 TI… and done.
That Card is still just a lower Class Card. Its the 4070. Not the 4070 TI. But they can take more Money for it by doing so and they know many ppl dont know enough about whats up so they know the real Fanboys will defend it since its kinda good enough.
Of corse thats just my Idea but i am certain they planned this from the Start. There is no Way they thought 2 different 4080 would be acceptable while he second one was more than 20% worse with less VRAM as well. No. They knew what they where doing in my Opinion.
Nah It was always going to be a 4070. Even Nvidia wont make a 4070ti that is 10% on the 3070... They're bad but not that stupid
I’ve been PC gaming for 20+ years and I’ve always enjoyed buying new hardware.
The prices of the 4000 series cards are just ridiculous and I’m not upgrading until they sort the pricing out. I’ve got other hobbies I can spend my money on or places I would like to visit.
Nvidia is simply shafting us.
I hope 4060/4060ti is the big wake up call for NVIDIA to realize people want more VRAM, if people just suck it up or buy 4070 instead, price/performance will simply continue to deteriorate.
name brand 2060 is still over 300 new unless you buy a off brand
Well, unfortunately, it would take more than just lower than average sales on the lower tier of their cards to really push them to be more considerate of the consumer. Having comparable quality competition would be a better way. Nvidia doesn't care if you skip the 40 series and buy the 50 series... They care if you skip the 40 series and buy AMD.
Remember Apple old playbook with 16Gb storage for entry and next one is 64Gb? I would be surprise if 4060 turn out to be good. The only card Nvidia want to sell you is 4080/4090 and they'll make sure to make other card look absurdly undesirable
VRAM costs a lot. And Nvidia isn't the one making every single part of the GPU so certain things cost more to them than others in terms of revenue versus margins. No "gamer" here actually bothers looking at the actual investment information Nvidia puts out, which basically shows you that they've already cut their margins really low and revenue's down. What you're getting right now is a really good deal but go ahead and be unreasonable, maybe they'll finally decide gamers aren't worth it and just shut down the product line.
@@rewardilicious nvidia reported record revenues during 3000 gen cuz they sold shit to miners, they have much higher margins selling 4000 at msrp compared to selling 3000 at msrp which was the plan. And you can't judge their margins based off financial reports dude.
im worried about the 4060ti [to have same perf of 3070ti or faster] coming with 8GB of Vram. its gonna be dead on arrival with the price tag they're going with.
4050 6GB of VRAM for $400 USD mark my words. 😂😂
Completely agreed. I'm still on an RTX3060, heavily overclocked and that has 12GB ram. I'd expect a 4060ti to have 12gb minimum!
@@wibblewobble1934 nope it will be 8GB Nvidia needs to segment their cards at the expense of us of course
@@phoenixrising4995 Nah, i say the 4060 will probably cost that much. The rtx 4050 will probably cost $300 which is still wayyy to much. The 6gb of vram makes the rtx 4050 a $200 card if not lower.
@@phoenixrising4995 LOL! Right! I will actually be laughing when that comes to fruition. I wouldn't even doubt it.
I remember the excitement and optimism around the 30 series launch. I couldn't care less about this generation of cards.
A 30 class 😂. I'm not convinced there will be one. Even when what will it look like? $300 for a model with 2gb vram 😂. Probably not even worth for HW transcoding in a Media Server, because of the price...
@@roopeyhe is talking about the rtx 3000 series
@@zenkrypt6577 Oh man. Where was my mind. Sorry about that. I thought he was taking about a possible 4030. Man 😂
I also remember the dread and anxiety after the 30 series launch and people were pissed off about the mining craze.
Because you can’t afford a high end gpu. Rtx 4090 is insanely good gpu
The 4070 was for sure going to be their 60 class GPU, the 4080 12GB (Now rebranded the 4070 Ti) was supposed to be the 70 class card. We will see Nvidia do this from time to time when they think they have a high enough performing card that they can use a smaller die size or an even more cutdown variant of a chip because they don't need to compete. Just look at the kepler architecture, they released the cutdown models for the 600 series or cards then released the full fat kepler cards with the 700 series.
too true, the marketers and accountants really squeeze as hard as they are able. Absolutely requires a competitor to have the market force to create better outcomes for the consumers.
why don't amd compete?
@@kuma-bw1we research and development costs money
higher priority and smaller silicon which results in more gpu cores costs money
nvidia is majority of market, so they have more money
Since it works as a feedback loop of selling more product, to get more money, which allows making better product...nvidia has the lead and momentum. It makes it hard for other companies to compete, and if they can't make something better, they can lower the price to compete with nvidia to give a better deal, but they can only lower so much before the gpu costs more to make than they get for selling it, so there's limits to that too. It makes it very hard to catch up for a company that is behind. You can google what % of the market each company has.
The rtx 4070 is a 50Ti class card, marketed as a 70 class card sold at 80 class price.
The rtx 4070Ti is a 60 class card, marketed as a 70Ti class card, sold at 90 class price.
The rtx 4080 is a 70 class card, marketed as an 80 class card sold at insane amount of money.
The rtx 4090 is an 80 class card, marketed as a 90 class card, sold at ludicrous amount of money
The upcoming RTX 4060Ti is a 50 class card, marketed as a 60Ti class card, sold at 70 class price.
@Void Flesh Exactly
Imagine buying the 8GB RTX 3070 for $1000+ during the pandemic lul
* cough! * Yea... Imagine.. who would be stupid enough...
don’t remind me..
Imagine snagging a 3090 ASUS TUF for $2.5k+ tax over a year ago and still having it sealed😅
A friend of mine bought one for € 1500.........
I don't blame em though, waiting a year and a half to finally get my 3070ti at msrp took A LOT of patience haha. Glad I did though considering how the 40 series has turned out
We need both AMD and Intel to be strong competition to Nvidia if we want these continuous price increasing shenanigans to stop. I recently bought a new gaming monitor (went up from 1080p144 to 1440p165), and I made sure that the thing supports Gsync and Freesync, so that I'm no longer bound to one manufacturer.
Most monitor nowadays will have Freesync certified, even if they are not Gsync certified they are compatible with Gsync. Gsync/Freesync is a thing of the past, not something you should care anymore. Regardless, you can limit your fps to your 'liking'. Even for competitive games, it's wise to limit your fps to have consistence latency. I play in Vsync 120hz Valorant, perform no different than high fps.
As long as it's Freesync and Gsync compatible, you will be able to use both. Good choice there.
@@lonerprofile how you limit the fps , also if ur %1 lows are over 120 isnt better to have fps unlocked?
@@tryfergoodra552 Yes you would benefits from higher fps if that's the case. In my case, my monitor is 120hz, so I basically just use Vsync it will limit to 120fps. In case you want to use adaptive sync(gsync/freesync), set fps limite 3 fps lower than your monitor refresh rate, for example 141fps to 144hz monitor, to avoid fps fluctuate above 144hz which cause screen tearing. As for the latency difference between vsync/rtss/nvidia or amd fps software limiter, many YT channel has covered that like linus tech/hardware unboxed/optimum tech. It's not a big deal for me, human reaction is way bigger factor than that few millisecond latency. Another advantage is, you will have lower power consumption and lower temperature, along with stable frametime.
Freesync can be used with both nvidia and amd. Only Gsync is the exclusive to nvidia.
"bUt ThE pOwEr DrAw"
I mean the power draw is good though, as is heat.
But yeah it's not the best sales point so much as a nice to have
@@GregoryShtevensh Yeah I know. From what I heard on Radeon is that you can simply undervolt to make some respectable gains in cooling but I don't know much about how well it works on Radeon as I recently got into undervolting for my 2070 for which it does work great.
@@Pazo139 unundervolted my 6800xt to 900mv
I have 1-2% less Performance and 80W! less powerdraw .
I cooled the Referenz Design To 55-60 degree😄.
For AMD Card ist a Special Tool you can modify the GPU BIOS without flashing it.
Windows Loads the modified Bios from your File instead of the Card.
So you can undervolt the vram / Board easy,too
@@marvin700 Nice!
Btw the power draw in the 4070 ti is awesome
To be honest after alchemist from intel, I'm hoping they can shake up the market just enough to whip nvidia back into giving a good deal for once. Battlemage looks exciting let's all hope intel are quick learners
Intel ARC actually has a very competitve ray tracing implementation against Nvidia's 3060 or even 3060Ti in some cases. It also has the VRAM one would expect from AMD. All the while not chopping the memory bandwidth bus like a moe. Nvidia has decided it wants to be Apple including their melting 12-pin dongles.
People like you just want others to make Nvidia give better deals so you can buy Nvidia for cheaper. That's why we're in this shitty market, the consumers are simply not logical and do not support better value products they just simp for one company brainlessly 🤡
Supposedly 4070 Ti-4080 performance (in DX12 / Vulkan specifically) in 2024, same year RDNA 4 and the 50 Series likely arrive? Better be VERY good pricing.
Battlemage is going to be insane. A770 is almost comparable to 3070 after recent software updates.... for a shit ton less.
@@LucidStrike with the way things are going, they could be priced at only "okay" levels, and still be a W, because you KNOW Nvidia's jacking up the 5000 series price tags, and AMD would be like $50 less.
tbh, i really agreed with your comment saying this card should be 500$ since it will destroy the market of mid range. Nvidia can just let out 4070 Super at this point with 16 Gigs in same price (600 $).
Lol that might happen
I wouldn't be surprised if they do a super series this generation... its an even number Gen... 20 had it, 30 didn't, this Gen might, next Gen won't
@@vextakes considering how peps now ditched out Nvidia harder, it probably happen.
That unless if China really gonna poke Taiwan so TSMC production got disturbed, that would be different shitshow (no political, but its strongly related).
@HDMC therapper Stop trying to numerically reason this lmao, its because rtx 20 and 40 series are both awful 😂
In Sweden - 4090 $2230, 4080 $1540, 4070ti $1110, 4070 $750. 7900XTX $1450, 7900XT $1240. I dont think the $750 looks that bad in terms of price. The 7900XT is 41% faster at 4k for a 93% price increase, not sure that sounds good either? I rather buy the 4070 if so. But if you live in US and dont have to pay these prices for a card, sure I understand. Many of us dont wont to spend $3000 on a computer, so going to 4070ti instead is a lot of money for many. So the 750 is a good buy for them, since its cheapest. The 6800xt 3080 cards etc are soon all sold out, so even if they are good value now, when they sell out there is no option.
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Given the trend in AI and the memory demand related to it I bought a 3090 for £725 as I wanted memory over out and out performance (or power efficiency for that matter). Entry level now needs to be 12 GB, mid 16GB and top 24 GB+ IMO. (Not for specifically for AI reason but 1440P/4K becoming more common)
Well DLSS puts off pressure on vram
@@HybridHumaan and ray tracing puts it back on again. DLSS is not a reason to not just want more VRAM. It helps, but shouldn't be depended on.
What "entry level" a GT710?
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the cheapest rtx 4070 variant here in New Zealand is $1300.. it's getting to the point where upgrading is nearly impossible.
yeah the NZ market has stubbornly resisted price decreases post cypto boom. Not really sure why.
@@GeneticDrifter damn hobbits and crypto mining, dwarfs are better
Jesus fucking Christ. I'm in aus and it's not even that bad here. But bloody hell even here the 6950xt is still in (what I'd imagine limited) stock for like the same price as a 4070. There is NO value in recent gens. So I feel you but... Man 1300!? What's your gov' doing? Have you guys been hit with an extra 20% inflation?
@@GeneticDrifter But that's not Nvidia's fault that's the fault of your local suppliers
PC gaming in general is becoming too pricey. If someone only wants to play games, and doesn't need modding, buying a console is probably the way to go.
0:53 I love that you pointed out that the 70 class card used to match or exceed the previous gen flagship. So many people have short term memories and think the prices are fine.
Yes the prices are not good for Nvidia, but AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity
Yep bought an rx 7900xt... never experienced so many driver crashes. I am surprised on how much power this card has but how bad the drivers are
@@spzHades "so much" is how many?
haha, well said
@@spzHades I dont know what you are all doing with your gpu, that drivers are crushing. I have 6800 for a half of a year and had 0 crashes. And always have last drivers
If Nvidia really wants to wait people out hoping to force them to buy $300+ GPU with only 8GB of VRAM, I hope Nvidia ends up waiting years for these to sell through. I'm sure investors will be asking question when discrete sales drop from 1.5-1.8G$/quarter to well under 1G$ thanks to on-going sales slowdown.
On the plus side, the A750 looks more promising than ever with the April drivers.
Low sales is to be expected. For the most part nvidia investor no longer care much how gaming sales are doing. If they are concerned about something it is how those mining will affect sales going forward not gaming. If anything nvidia current pricing of 40 series is about addressing shareholder/investor concern.
I honestly think those 8 gb cards are literally sold for the mining market that nvidia doesn't want to admit they continue to cater to.
Want more vram? Just buy amd and stop complaining…
@@deivytrajan I'm not interested in paying much over $200 for a GPU and AMD isn't doing any better in the VRAM department in that price range.
@@devil8975 If the 8GB cards were intended for mining, Intel's A750 with twice as much memory bandwidth as similarly priced 8GB cards should have been flying off the shelves. They aren't.
They're charging 80 class prices for a 60 class card. It's just insulting.
Mixed with some models of the 6800 XT and the 6950 Xt being found at or below 599. The 4070 is in a very tight spot. If they released it at the same MSRP at the 3070, it would've probably done much better.
the 4070 is a 4060 at best. it should cost $300. the 4070ti should be like $600 and the 4080 should be like $800
@@jb3960 Its how mid range cards are supposed to be (300 - 400 dollars) . Don't get brainwashed by nvidia raising prices lmao
and AMD has node shrink mass-market cards coming down the pipe. all nvidia has done this gen is highlight how amd feature support is superior at the high end and less cpu intensive at the low end. no shortage means customers can shop smart. whoops!
@@toad7395 Misconception. A mid range card costs the amount a company deems profitable, this means after factoring in fixed and variable cost, which have both gone up significantly across the board over the past 3 years. Do you honestly think that Nvidia is leaving tons of money on the table for not using more attractive prices and that they'd earn more at 300$ for the 4070?
that 6950 is allot of bang for $ the right now, and basically the same price as the 4070, new , name brand cards
Yeah I'm a little underwhelmed. I currently have a 1660 Super that I'm looking to upgrade - my main motivation there is that it has 3 video outputs and I've got 4 monitors so I want a card that can drive all 4 without weird dongles and what not.
To me the 3060 or 3070 just aren't fast enough to make me feel like upgrading. The 4070 is a big enough jump but $599 is just too steep. $399 or maybe even $449 and I'd have one on the way to my house right now. Now I'm waffling between maybe buying an AMD 6700 XT to hold me over or just making do and waiting out AMD's or even Intel's next product release to see where those products land value-wise.
As an upgrade from 30-series? Even arguably 20-series? That ain’t it, chief.
As an upgrade from 10-series or earlier? Hell yeah (and it’s what I’m doing). The 4070 in particular is a very enticing upgrade, and one I pulled the trigger on upgrading from my GTX 1080 in my main rig, for its TDP alone relative to the other cards SINCE the 1080, for people (like me) running on a 650W PSU (which I will be upgrading eventually as well, but not quite yet).
Same, upgrading from the 980 rn with the 4070. Gonna be insane to see the difference lol
as well from gtx1060, 6950xt was too long for my case and i dont want 2 extra cables into my case
I'm in a similar boat. Used to have a 1080TI (paired with a 9900k), upgraded to a 7900xt and also got myself a 13700k and I'm extremely happy lol. The CPU upgrade was forced because I bricked my mobo (it had several issues before that I always thought were GPU or even PSU related despite getting an EVGA GQ 1000W supply less than a year ago) and the CPU upgrade made me even more happy because of work-related tasks. I went up from 1440p witth averages as low as 1440p 45 to 4k 60+ and even triple digits which is crazy.
AMD really lookin good now, I hope the new generation ARC can compete with AMD and NVIDA.
First time in my life buying all amd setup, surprised how well it goes. Just let the market decided, is good that people are avoiding the new 40 series nvidea cards
And the CRAZY thing is that most of these new cards are ONLY hitting 4k/60fps or 1440p/120 using 'AI UPSCALINGING'. So they're STILL REALLY only rendering games at an internal resolution of 1080p, or lower...
1080p is optimal for gaming, change my mind...
If the screens are too big, it takes too much effort for your eyes to travel, tiring your eyes out, and not only that, but while you're moving your eyes to look at the health-bar, most of the rest of your game is out of your field of view, making it harder for you to see that rocket coming at you from your peripheral vision... 1080p has all the information you need, at the perfect size where your peripheral vision can catch anything happening on-screen, regardless of what you're actually looking at... It's the most ideal for gaming performance.
1440p is just a bit too big, and obviously anything above that is WAY too big.
Everything you spoke about in this video is what the entire consumer base is thinking more or less. The cards and PC parts are going through the roof. They forget PC gamers need money for life, medical needs, insurance, savings, loving expenses, and even games because if you buy a PC to game you'll want to have money for games.
yeah with how much everything like cpu and gpu costs. you cant even feel good about a build imo. its just so much money.
Is there even such a thing anymore as an entry level card? How is an average newcomer supposed to afford this
@@tropicvibe not now sadly the closet thing is a 1630. And thats basically a 1050ti selling for more than a 1050ti did back in the day.
best entry level is like a r9 290x or 8GB variant be it the 8GB 290x that is harder to find or the R9 390X 8GB which is easy to find for like 100 bucks orso. give about 1650 super levels of performance maybe better or worse depending on the game, but it does require modded drivers because AMD is terrible with supporting their products once released so the official drivers for it are basically useless for most modern games. but the modded drivers are very good, much better than AMD official drivers they have for new cards. so it is a valid option imo that has good value for the money and can play any game at nice settings on 1080p.
Are loving expenses brothels ?
Exactly this. Nvidia forgets that GPUs are a luxury buy, not a necessity for life. If they are too expensive we will gladly buy from cheaper competition or go without and buy consoles or Steam Deck instead.
Inflation yo. $600 when 1080 released is $754.57 now. Blame the government, not Nvidia.
AMD aren't doing much at the moment, and I bet as soon as they come out with their next few cards they will drop the ball straight away. The 6800 XT is still mostly £550+ in the UK, more often around £650, and some still £750 SOMEHOW.
Fr. I legit just want a 7600xt that doesn’t cost more than £280 - but i don’t even have faith in them to do that at this point lmao.
@@mommaduck79 Yeah they seem to just be shafting everyone now. I thought my Vega 64 was expensive at £500, but everything these days takes the piss
Damn, AMD cards have been such a great value here in the U.S.
@@Blue-jn1ph Yes I've been hearing, and it's been annoying me haha. Shops in the UK still think the damn things are worth £700
I'm looking at the Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT Pulse at Overclockers, and its £650, and it says SAVE 21% WOW! The price without the saving is £818.99. That damn card should be less than £500 now, without a saving.
Simply can't pay that much for a 2 year+ old card. It was £600 on launch.
@@Blue-jn1ph The USA gets the best deals when it comes to PC parts in general
It’s hilarious how little most people actually care about Ray tracing….but good job nvidia keep holding onto that
The 4070ti should have been the 4070 for $600..
Yup
To think that they were going to sell that thing for like 900 bucks as a 4080 variant. Imagine what the 4070 would look like then! It would be insanity! It would barely be beating it's predecessor. Maybe they thought they could barely beat out it's predecessor and then claim that it had DLSS 3 and better Ray Tracing and that simply because it beat the last gen card's value ever so slightly, that it would be a win after two years.
for 400
60 class card named as 70 class while being priced at 80 class
5:12 Their asterisk is that the 20 series comparison is only 20 series whereas the 79% is 20 30 and 40 series, so they have 3 generations of card owners who have "used" those features once vs one generation in the 20 series.
I tried ray tracing once in Cyberpunk and then had to turn it down to bare minimum with my 2070s. So yeah.. Once for like 10 seconds.
I would rather buy a RX6800XT with 16 GB Vram. It will last longer, for sure.
I honestly expected worse seeing as people were freely paying $600-$650 for the 3060 Ti as recently as last year.
Because crypto mine.
I am one of those people, but we wouldn't have if we didn't have to. I was desperate during the mining bubble and GPU shortage. The 3060 Ti was the only acceptable compromise at the time, lower end cards were just as expensive, and higher end cards would cost an arm and a leg. Work demanded GPU rendering to save time.
@@KelvinKMS And now you have Generative AI driving up the costs by competing for production time at TSMC .... How do you compete against corporations willing to spend $35,000 on a H100? If Nvidia can't make decent money on a 4070 the reality is they won't sell them at all because they can make something else that's more profitable ..... Just like you are going to take the job that pays you the most money, Nvidia is going to take the job that pays them the most money and right now that "employer" is Generative AI
@@KelvinKMS 3060 Ti's (at least the not shit tier ones) were going for around $600-$700 in the EU until the 40 series launch, where they dropped off now by a hundred or so.
The whole 4000-series is way overpriced and should have the prices dropped,
i think they should drop the MSRP to something like this:
4090 $999 USD
4080 $749 USD
4070 ti $449 USD
4070 $329 USD
I would actually feel like buying a 4000-series card if the prices were anything like that.
I agree with all the prices except the 4090 which is fine at 1599$ since that is only a little bit more expensive than last gen's 3090. Also, at that price, the 4090 will literally destroy AMD in every way and the top end AMD cards would be worthless unless they drop the price significantly. The 4080 is fine at 799$ and 4070Ti is fine at 599$ and 4070 is fine at 499$. These are all according to the MSRPs of last gen and if the prices were like this, all the 40 series cards would be sold out.
I’m glad there’s good deals on some of last generations cards. The current stuff is just painful to look at.
only last gen amd current gen nvidia is not discounted at all and still above msrp
or last gen nvidia sorry
What good deals? Lol. Good deals compared to the absolutely dreadful prices we’ve had in the last few years - but prices are still abysmal compared to historic price trends.
@@mommaduck79 I’d say around 500 (in my area) and around the mid 400 used sometimes for a 6800xt is solid
@@vezz9913 Nvidia is overall actually cheaper here, besides 6700XT and below those usually are. but even the 3070 being a lot cheaper than the 6800, the thing is, the 6800 is a lot better about 200-300% better in a lot of cases especially with RTX. so the 3070 is still not worth it at all just because it doesnt have enough Vram for most games, especially with RTX. so id rather pay 500 for a 6800 vs 350 for a 3070.
DLSS is the new standard but ray tracing is still a gimmick. DLSS allows lower budget cards to perform better allowing people with mid level PC's to enjoy better quality at the cost of latency but lets be real if you are not competing at esports levels in fps games the latency that frame generation creates is a none issue for 99.99% of gamers.
When it comes to VRAM, they couldn't put more VRAM in the 4070, because it has a 192 bit bus, which means it can have up to 6x 32 bit GDDR6 chips and you get up to 2GB per GDDR6 chip. 12GB is the maximum.
The memory interface doesn't get inside the card by magic. It's put there by Nvidia. Nvidia decided that it couldn't have more than 12GB on purpose, by design.
@@AnotherAnonymousFag But then the die size would be bigger, the price would be higher(even though Nvidia has been massively overpricing their GPUs since the gtx 1000 series), so will the power consumption, which further increases price.
And I'm not defending Nvidia with this, I'm just stating that there is a limitation.
@@ivankovachev8835 All of these limitations are imposed by Nvidia. This is done entirely on purpose. Nvidia designs the card. None of this is a strange accident.
@@AnotherAnonymousFag They can have a bigger memory bus, but then the card costs more and consumes more power.
Same with AMD, the 7900XTX could have had 512 bit bus and competed with the 4090, but it would have consumed 600W and costed a lot more
The 4070Ti could have had a 256 bit bus, but it would have consumed as much as, if not more than the 4080, unless you clock it lower.
The 4070 could have had 256 bit bus, but it would have consumed over 250W or had lower performance due to lower clock speeds.
And in all those cases both power and price go up, and those two are very negative.
If people want hardware to last, tell sony and microsoft to never make a new console again and to developers to stop making better graphics.
Also stop buying overpriced GPUs, because people have been doing it since 2012 when it comes to Nvidia, exception being the gtx 700 series. And since 2019 when it comes to AMD, exception being the Radeon VII.
Remember back in 2018 . This Nvidia enginner was debating with me about how DLSS is better than Native resolution and I basically challenged him to the point he was speechless .
I said that Nvidia don't want to spend money producing a GPU which can truly handle native 4k and above so they came out this "fake " resolution to upsale gamers . Nothing will ever beat the sharpness of a true 4k image .
Once there's drop in pixel count it's inferior period !!
I think FSR is better not because of image quality per say but the fact that it's software driven .
FSR could be the reason why a lot of Pascal owners don't see the need to upgrade to 4000 series because they have a resolution upscaler in modern games which brings GTX1000 series to life .
Shame on Nvidia for making DLSS hardware driven to get gamers to upgrade from Pascal to new generation .
I believe that there no reason why frame generation and DLSS 3.0 can't work on 3000 series.
I don't use dlss/fsr. 1440p on 4k is worth to try before dlss/fsr. If ideal fps lands between 1440p and 4k, I will switch to lower graphic setting instead. The artifacts produced by "AI upscaling" are unbearable for me, I would prefer soften image than weird image.
The only benefit I see in DLSS is the anti-aliasing. It's way better than TAA. Some games have very poor implementation of TAA even at native 4K. Games like Death Stranding and Horizon Zero Dawn looks better with DLSS. Now if somehow they can update those games to use DLAA it's going to be even better.
still not regretting my 3070. Cant tell the difference between high and ultra so 1440p high settings with dlss and I aint experiencing these vram problems. Still, I'll join in the complaining anyway since it will benefit me in the long run if Nvidia receives enough backlash to lower prices or deliver better products
It is just bs that before the next generation 70 class card even launched, the 3070 is being bottlnecked at max graphics and higher resolution in modern games, even thought the GPU has plenty of rasterization and performance to run at those quality settings and resolution but is just limited by it's total amount of VRAM.
And if you bought that GPU during all the market nonsense, you paid a lot of money for it. You shouldn't be experiencing any of that for that cost.
There's 2 things playing out on prices, what got em so high is crypto, but what's keeping em this high is the massive loss of purchasing power from printing trillions upon trillions of dollars world wide during covid. Hard to blame nvidia for selling a product for more when the currency itself is worth less. It's not a coincidence that all necessities are up big time, that housing is going out of control or that gpu prices are skyhigh. If you want to point fingers, point it at your governments.
Hypocritically, I bought it, and at the same time I'm happy that no-one else wants to buy it. I had some weird circumstances that made the 4070 the most sensible choice this time. But if I didn't have the weird combination of needing an upgrade with a low tdp, good RT and compatibility with certain special applications, I would totally team up with those getting an AMD-card, waiting for Intel Battlemage, or holding out in order to make Nvidia see that they need to lower the price to performance ratio when the 50-series launches.
I agree, but please stop ignoring inflation. 1080 for 599 is in fact more expensive than 599 today
gtx 1080 sold for 450-550$ in most markets
and inflation existed before 10 series aswell
Rocking a 12 gig 3060. Should be ok for a little bit for me at 1440. Definitely will be looking at amd or Intel if Nvidia keeps this up by the time I upgrade.
big brain buy
the 4090 should be at 1099 to 1199€ at max and the 4080 at 799€ to 899€ at max.
Picked up a used 3080 for $430 a few months back. It seems like an even more solid decision looking back now. I hope Nvidia gets their heads out of their asses with pricing on the 50 series. If not I guess I'll try out an AMD card if their prices are better next gen.
30 series only cons are use more power and no DLSS 3.0
@@KelvinKMS I've got my 3080 running 1870 mhz at 850 mv, so it draws about 240 watts during normal gaming. I couldn't care less about dlss 3.0 personally.
DLSS RTX are still gimmicky, even today, and I have a 4090. DLSS & frame gen are not as good as native. It's noticeable too
This isn't a big deal as it's just a return to the norm. Video card scalping or selling above MSRP wasn't a normal thing until the 20 series. 60/70 series were always well stocked once they released. I picked up a 1080ti on release day from Newegg without trouble and a bit over a week later decided I wanted to SLI so went right back to Newegg for the 2nd.
This. Somehow seeing gpu on store shelves now becoming a proof those thing are not selling during non mining season.
man im using a 1080ti... havent upgraded my pc at all for 5 years, obviously it's starting to catch up to me but i can still hang with video games but Recently i realized when it comes to productivity i cant hang lol. I can barely run unreal engine 5. Which led me to choosing a card and i can't decide what 40 series to buy because everyone is saying they're bad value lol
The 40 series has led me to recommending RDNA2. I’ve talked several nvidia people to switch.
So currently running a 2060 on a 10600k. Just bought a 13600k. Ddr4 Board. What should I upgrade to? A 4090 and 4080 is out of my price range.
The fact that 6800xt now matches the 3080, and then the 6950xt costs roughly the same as 4070
@@critcri How much better is it then, what do you mean it doesn't because they are neck and neck
@@jonboy602 6%
@@walter1824 it matches it but it's 6% slower. I understand. I'm an AMD fan and owner btw.
I just built my first pc early this year, and in december i ordered a 7900 xtx. Because i knew it was gonna take a lot of time for it to arrive i ended up buying a used 6700xt, after using the card for over a month and seeing how much better it was than my laptop 1070 i decided it was gonna be enough for me to wait for next gen and hope for better prices (or for current prices to drop). As soon as i realized how overpriced these premium cards are (by looking at how good my 300$ used one was), i decided to vote with my wallet despite picking all my parts for a much bigger card. Let's see if they learn and how they will price the next gen.
I got a 3090 24gb model on sell for 600$ right before the 4090 came out. im happy with the buy most def better than the 2070super i had
Congrats that’s an awesome deal
AT THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN AND WANT A 600$ ISH CARD YOU WILL BUY THE RX 6950XT ITS WAY FASTER AND HAS 16GB VRAM IF YOU WANT A 300$ CARD GET A RX 6700XT IF YOU WANT CHEAPER LOOK TO RX 5700 OR GTX 1080 TI
I think you put it very correctly. People who want to spend money no matter what won't buy a 4070, they'll look at 4080s and up. So those people are out of the market for it. Then people who want a budget build with a good gpu probably don't want to spend 600 either and are waiting for a 4060/ti class. So in the end, this cards is marketed towards....No one in particular? Too cheap for high end people, too expensive for most mid range people.
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I'm at a point in my life where I can afford whatever card I want (software dev with extensive experience), but I absolutely refuse to pay the absolutely ridiculous prices they are charging..I refuse to be gouged. These MSRP prices are still just taking the royal ****. I'll stick with my 2070 and 2060 cards till there is either something sensible/killer in the high end, or I have no choice lol.
Until then, you can drop 500 freedom bucks on a console and check out how good we have it right now.
@@FOXDUDETV I live in Bulgaria, where we have torrents to downlad every game we need without payng a coin. Buying an console and pay 60 eu for every game is not a valid option for us.
@@FOXDUDETV I have had consoles, and I don't use them. I also have a steamdeck with a steam dock, ps5 controller etc....I barely use it. I prefer my seated PC with mouse.and keyboard, and without nerfed graphics.
@@derrick2181 I could do the same, but the prices are still being milked on the back of the crypto phase, and nvidia's desire for higher profits. RTX 4080 for $1200 MSRP ? That's double the price of a GTX 1080 at launch. So when we look at a RTX 4070 for $600 that isn't even a flag ship card, it's an utter joke price. Things change in life, but I'm just not paying it lol. I'll buy myself more 3D printers, a brand new car, but I will NOT be scalped.
@@matthewwain9958 Understandable, but the nerfed graphics for most gamers' wallets are on the PC side atm. Most gamers are priced out of good graphics if they stick to PC, and those who aren't still have to deal with shader stutter and possibly Vram issues.
not only do I not care about ray tracing I don't care about 4k either so 1440p rasterisation is fine for me and in this area my 2080ti is still fine. Hilariously it runs raytracing overdrive mod with the optimisation mod in.cp2077 just fine too.
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Hello there! I want to seek advice, if should i grab 4070 FE , or save up more for 4070ti? or 4080FE? what do you highly suggest sir Vex?
either a 4070 or save up for a 4090, ignore the 70ti (same vram and bus limitation) and 80 at all cost.
@@maniau 4090 is a bit hard for me to save up, it will took months! hehehe! soo prolly gonna grab 4070 though? is TUF 4070 good?
@@PiggyByt3 sure go for it just look for the model that cost 599 (had the 3060ti TUF, very silent but later changed it for the founder's edition, just for looks but tuf is generally cooler in thermals and noise because of the triple fan).
@@maniau woah! nice! there is a lot of noice for the 4070FE, but its affordable though! I am looking forward for the Aorus 4070 as well, so im choosing between TUF and Aorus 4070 , teeh eee
I like this idea of pooling together info from multiple sources to inform viewers. Very cool
Does the rtx 4070 is a good card 1080p resolution?? I have no interest to upgrade my monitor for another year and my gtx 1080 is kinda old now.
Honestly (I own a 4080, it was a good deal on Sale here in Australia) they should have made the 4080/70i/70 more powerful/higher performance. The 4090 does well not because of price, but because of the generational leap forward! They're creating a situation where every card you look at (especially in the US) leave you wondering if you should just go up a tier.
So that eventually stops at the 4090.
For me the 4090 was just too expensive in Australia and a 4080 on sale was the sweet spot. But even now theyre asking 1200AU for a 70ti but 1100AUD for the 70 non ti.
Why on earth would anyone buy that? 1000 dollara is alot of money here! Its a weeks wages (more than if you're on minimum wage) and nobody looking to make sacrifices in performance to save money is going to jaw drop at a $1000+ card
Edit: Unless the performance warrents it, as the 4090 is still one of the best selling GPUs even in Australia, its just we're selling more 4080s than the USA by comparison due to our pricing
And a bit more VRAM wouldn't have hurt.
20gb on the 4080, 16gb on the 70ti, more rasterisation on all cards below the 4090 by 10% even... that's basically all they needed
As a fellow Aussie, AMD is the undisputed king both in terms of time being sold out at Aussie retailers despite cheaper online prices from US available, and by price to performance. Just like most people here own a PS5 and so its price is inflated compared to the Xbox Series, so it is with Nvidia and AMD. The 6750xt at 630AUD sold out everywhere except CentreCom within 6 hours. You can't get 6800 or 6800xt local at all anymore. 6950xt at 1250 from JW is also almost sold out, despite being a much smaller market.
@@ilyadonskikh1868yeah fair enough.
If you're talking last Gen that's probably true at the moment at least. But that is also available stock to begin with as much as it is sales.
Just look of Marketplace and you will see alot more Nvidia cards for sale than AMD. And as long as you can get a 4080 for the same price as a 7900xtx, people will opt for the 4080.
Again on marketplace, you see people asking to swap their 7900 cards for 4080s but dont see anyone asking to swap the other way around.
Although Ive considered it personally because even with 16gb of VRAM and using a 1440p monitor, I'm still worried about VRAM over time
Hopefully Intel Battlemage can give Nvidia the squeeze at the low-mid end. Along with AMD gang banging from behind.
@@GregoryShtevensh in 1440p you won’t have issues with 16gb of vram for a while.
This whole generation has convinced me to go with the 7900XTX since my msi aero 1060 is finally giving out in 4K.
Same for different reasons. I'm coming up from an ancient system that finally absolutely demands an upgrade. I went with the 7900XTX as the current reasonable top of the line. NVidia can keep their overpriced stuff.
I don't know how are sales in other parts of the world but in Romania the card is hard to find. My order was rejected twice in two different stores because it was out of stock. Here the cheapest models cost €625. I don't think it will get any cheaper than that, prices were always high in Europe.
Excellent talking points. We need to be scrutinising this stuff a lot more in reviews and discussion or both NVIDIA and AMD will keep thinking they can aggressively ramp up prices each generation for only standard generational improvements. It's completely unsustainable.
Im use RX570 4GB for 5 years now should I wait for upcoming RX7000 mid range or just go for RX6600?
I would point out.. most people that bought 40 series.. bought it for RT. Of course they would represent a higher amount of RT use.
Yeah I did... But also Reflex and DLSS3.0... features in general
I know i did. Mid range 30 series cards still have awesome rasterised performance.
I don't use RT and I have a 4090.
And it turns out, except for the high end 4090, people STILL aren't using RT.
Because it's not supported in most games, and it still takes an unacceptably large performance hit.
Not a single person I know that has a 4080 or 4070ti uses RT.
The gaming Cafe places I know actually permanently disable it, and won't let it run on their systems. Because they were getting so many people bitching about how bad it performed.
RT is really worthless.
One thing people might be forgetting is that the 4090 is a really good card for 3D artists. We need that extra VRAM for rendering and the 4090 is basically twice as fast as the 3090.
Cant they bring back gtx series with more vram and no rtx cores with more reasonable prices?I mean i have an rtx 3070 but i had rtx off in almost every game because i prefer better fps in games and the only game i wanted to try it was RE4 remake and the game crashed because of the 8gb vram
nVidia just went bonkers with the price tag of the 4000 series. The 4090 is without a doubt the most powerful GPU and you get fast and big VRAM (and raw power in rasterization).
And even that thing sold .... meh. Enthusiasts grabbed it, but that's about it.
The 4080 is basically an overpriced 7900 XTX and AMD currently has a much better (even if unknown) reputation of getting more performance out of the cards over time (see LTT).
Then, there is the 4070 Ti. It has 12GB of VRAM at a price point of 880€. Making it slower than a 7900 XT, more expensive and with 8GB of VRAM less than the AMD competitor.
Now, the 4070 (let's call it 4070 Ti - because the 4070 Ti most likely was the planned 4080 "12G") delivers even less performance, an incredibly limited VRAM at a price point of a whole PS5 or XBox.
This is hilarious - considering a 4070 NOW costs the SAME as a 6950 XT (650€) while a 6900 XT is already faster.
The 4070s will age like milk considering their low VRAM (just look at the 3070 vs. 6800 XT now) and its price vs. performance point.
nVidia surely knows how to build GPUs - so does AMD (and Intel very soon). But what I really, really hate about nVidia is that they give you JUST the amount of performance for what you are ready to spend and depending on that, you will be forced to pay again soon after when a part of their graphics cards is outdated. A 4070 Ti with 16GB of GDDR6 (not even the X variant) for 380€ would sell like fresh bread.
You must understand that the XX70 series are and have always been mid-tier GPUs.
he right....nvidia have all the cards in played we are just waiting amd turn and make their move since they have history making mistakes by releasing 7900xt and 7900xtx only cards and forgot entire midrange line up cause amd does not care for budget users anymore and delays of fsr3...all that stuff is way worse than arc770 putting more faith in releasing than AMD waited since december just 2 cards without no software and incomplete support of drivers then amd stop updating older gen for entire 2 months
I really wanna upgrade my pc, but are unsure what to do. Buy an 2 year old amd 6800xt/6900xt or wait for the 7800xt?
Is amd even releasing an 7800xt?
Where does it fit in the portfolio? Even an 20% performance increase would be too close to an 7900xt.
I have to say, that I'm not buying and nvidia card this gen. I'm not supporting this price policy.
I`m happy that i got a 3060 with 12 gb of vram since at least the performance is not capped but i think it`s my last Nvdia GPU and i`m going to get a Radeon next since i don`t give a shit about Ray Tracing and i`m not willing to pay my entire salary for a GPU that won`t last me even 3 years
You pretty much nailed the situation. Customers of the 70 and 60 series cards are looking for value. Many just don't have the budget to entertain a card in the 600 dollar range. I don't know who this 4070 is supposed to be for.
My two cents on the pricing, only cause it has been seen before. They are doing the exact same thing they did with the 10 series and 20 series. The 10 series had a good price:performance value, and then crypto exploded causing people to buy up and resell high. Nvidia even got in trouble for failing to properly express how much of their sells ended up being for crypto, then used it as a reason to not only get more buy-ins to their stock, but then turn around and sell the 20 series which wasn't even all that much of a gain in performance over the 10 series until the 20 supers came out. Even then you were better off keeping a 10 series over getting a 20 series cause the big 'feature' wasn't even something many games had until far after the launch. The price:performance of the 20 series was abysmal too.
Then the 30 series comes out and everyone is stunned by the price, back to days of old when you could get a high performance card for an affordable price, but again the Crypto boom was happening and due to poor attempts on sellers part, most of these ended up going to either crypto miners or scalpers with only a small handful ending up in gamers hands. Prices go up exponentially and Nvidia can't keep up with demand. Fast forward to 40 series, and we are seeing the same thing happen again that happened with 20 series. The prices of the card aren't really matching the performance aside from the highest end of the spectrum. The cuda count reductions from 90 (16384) to 80 (9728) (60%) to 70 (5880) (36%) is ridiculous compared to 30 series 90 (10496), 80 (8960) (85%), 70 (6144) (59%). It is almost as if they had horrible yields that require them to cut the GPU down further than usual and they are then trying to recoup the cost on a product that doesn't really fit the bill it should be at.
Does the 4080 perform as good as or better than a 3090? Yes, but this is the kind of generational leap you are expecting in performance. Your 2nd/3rd tier card should be performing as well as, if not better than, your prior flagship without the price hike. I'm not counting the Ti in this yet as those cards typically don't come out until much later in the release cycle (IE 4090 Ti, 4080Ti, 4070 Ti). I am saying this as a 4080 owner, but also as someone who upgraded from a 1080 GTX that literally died. I almost went AMD this GPU round, but saw that their initial offering wasn't really what I was expecting it to be. Had I not gotten nearly a $175 mark off on the 4080 due to being a restock I probably would have had a 7900xtx instead.
I have a 2080 ti. Is it worth it to upgrade yet? Or should I wait? I paid a lot of money for my 2080 ti.
not worth, just wait.
12gb vram. Nvidia still skimping.
I'm fine for 1440p gaming with my 3070, I'm waiting to see where they will be at with ray tracing at the time of the 50xx. It still seems to be far from usable ( in a decent price range ) right now so I might as well just stick with my ryzen 3600 and rtx3070, then get a complete new build when they figured it out and we get lots good games supporting all that stuff
same cpu but i got the 3060ti for 1440p gaming. i’ll probably even skip the 50series aswell and see how it goes in the future
Upgrade your cpu atleast, to a 5600, you don't wanna bottleneck your gpu (I got a 3070 as well)
@@bankaispirits yeah I was thinking about doing that a few weeks ago, but I'm not sure how much performance I would gain
@@fallingcurse9208 you'd gain a good 5-10% boost, not much, so maybe just go with ya plan and wait
@@bankaispirits i was thinking about upgrading cpu and mobo next year since my r5 3600 still performance pretty good on most games and definitely get a way better cpu than the 5600
I am using my trusty 1080 Ti until we get graphics cards again that don't use as much wattage as a washing maschine, doesn't get as hot as a toaster, are not as huge as a literal brick and won't cost 1000$+. But that's probably just wishful thinking.
Also the 1080 Ti has 11 GB Vram. Why tf did they turn that down?
I just upgraded from a 980ti to a 1080ti, I'm probably set for the next 5 years.
I have money for a gpu but i refuse to upgrade, no meaningful perormance gain for the money, i can barely sell my 3070 for 400 usd and what do i get for 600 800 usd? 10-30 + fps?
So I hate to be that guy but after seeing a ton of videos about gpu prices, one does have to ask because no one else does: why are people complaining about gpu prices? If the gpu(pc in general) is making you money..then it's an investment..other wise it's a luxury/entertainment purpose..I'm only asking cause...no one else is....I could spit this question even more but I'm lazy and don't feel like it..thanka
Will Nvidia lower the price? NOPE! They will hold out until the bitter end. Bitter for the consumer, because in this game of chicken, the consumer has always been the one who blinks, so Jensen sees no reason they wouldn't blink again.
The RTX narrative is falling apart. But stupid consumers lapped it up because they are....well, stupid.
I still haven't bothered upgrading from my 1080ti, only had slight struggles with cyberpunk (although this was a little after release so optimisation was meh). That being said I'm still sticking with 1080p so I'm gonna be fine for a while ahah
600 USD for the 1080 in 2016 is $754.57 today. Still far from $1200 for the 4080 but just wanted to make the comparison a little fairer.
I remember the days when high graphics topped out at $300 but there where more manufacturers too. Now with only 3 players its tough to get good pricing.
so, which card do i need to buy to play comfortably on 1440 ultrawide? coming from 1050 ti
- RTX 4070
- RX 6800XT
- RTX 3080 10 GB
- RTX 3070 Ti
i'm considering to buy either of that since i want to play comfortably in ultrawide 1440p
Depends on game you playng.
@@АнаниГълъбов I probably playing mostly racing games, single player one like rdr2, etc something like that, mostly single player one
Multiplayer one it'll be quite rare, probably only testing some games and mostly I'll play normal Minecraft
@@BiyaneshaMaster I will go for 4070.
@@АнаниГълъбов why?
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Just got reccomended this and good stuff. I've been wanting to build a PC for a bit from my 2600x and 1070ti but the GPU market is just so trash rn. Either good cards come out that are instantly sold out or you can easily find the cards for near msrp but are priced horrendously. At this point I feel like I'm just going to make new build with the same GPU, reap the benefits on CPU bound esports titles and just wait.
Im in the same boat as you
It's almost always more worth to just buy 1-2 entire gens behind the current top. Sure you won't be able to max the newest games but you'll save a lot of money on the gaming hobby. Still rocking GTX 1060 6gb on 144hz and it does me just fine
A content creator doesn't want just av1 encoding, they want VRAM too. The more the better, Resolve being an example
Good point. Intel Arc A770 would be a good budget/mid-range choice.
It's not a typical to get a large jump in price/perf between generations. It's half the generations since 600 series. There are two outliers, 30 series and 900 series. Which both fixed a architectural mistake that hampered previous generation. 10 and 30 series jumped to a node that offered cheaper transistors. And with 10 series the die shrink came with a significant boost in clock speed 1070 was able to clock 50% higher than 980 ti because of the die shrink that didn't cost too much.
40 series jumped to node that offered more expensive memory controllers and a bit cheaper compute, yes if you over double the cost of silicon the parts that don't shrink get more expensive. And there wasn't a large architectural change to fix any kind of imbalance that exists to limit the performance in existing games.
With increase in wafer costs each price point needs a smaller GPU to fit its cost target, while the most expensive GPU can still use as much silicon as manufacturing offers. Now the huge jump for 4090 in terms of performance comes simply by fact that it uses twice as expensive silicon compared to 3090, and 3090 used silicon designed for 3080 price point.
What we should expect from 50 series. Well TSMC offers 25% more expensive wafers for 3nm compared to 4nm. The SRAM scales by only 5%, the memory controllers don't scale either, only thing that scales is pure logic transistors. And there's rumors that 3GB memory chips become available in about year and a half. So 50% increase in memory capacity at given bus width.
So hopefully each of the current price tier gets 50% increase in memory capacity. Oh and the top-end is designed for workstations and rest of the lineup is designed for laptops. And with laptops the size does matter which limits the number of memory chips at given tier in addition to bus width.