"No, I mean, I know you think it's weird that he's a 40 year old possessing the body of a 10 year old, but his brain is atually that of a 10 year old, so he's not ACTUALLY a 40 year old, you see!? And also, he doesn't ACTUALLY get with her at that age, he just starts lusting for her when they're like, 4 year olds, but he only ACTUALLY starts liking her when they're like, teenagers! It's WAAAAY less weird, you know? And, and yeah, like, I know you'll say it sounds like grooming or something, but it's not like that man! I swear!" - Rudeus Defender, 2024 (probably) . All jokes aside though, don't get me wrong, Mushoku Tensei IS really good and incredibly well written. It's just ALSO undeniably very wrong, and that's kind of the whole point.
@@JodioJoestar-by8sn “liking pixels that look like children doesn’t mean I like children” Okay so explain to me in detail what you find attractive about this pixel that looks like a child
Yeah it is People are cancelling it without even reading the manga Their is no romace from where i heard and more of.... How a mother reincarnated to meet her family who is depressed after her death.
Master Roshi IS this argument, and Bulma is the exhibit A- Have no one watched Dragon Ball? Those who have understood and accepted it. Why get uncomfortable now? Now watching anime based SOLEY on Incest and “step sister in a washing machine” themes on the other hand…
It's definitely like jobless reincarnation but also at the same time much worse. Lmao And at the same time, there is a bit of an ethical debate situation when it comes to stuff like that. If you found yourself back in the form of your 8-year-old self or younger. Like how in jobless reincarnation the protagonist Rudy had to literally start back up from being an infant up to where he got to. At that point if you're dating girls around the time if you're now new physical age. Technically there shouldn't be as much of a problem with it. The issue is that you still have the consciousness of what you had as your former self which was already a grown adult. That's where it gets iffy. Although Jobless Reincarnation is much worse, because apparently Rudy is on some pedo stuff a portion of the time. Which is another reason why I never went back and finished it 😅. Lucky clap cheeks when he was 13 or so and of all people he did it with his cousin, which sadly in his somewhat defense wasn't really that big of a deal in like old European-esque cultures. Which he was reborn into. That being said, it's the fact that it gets worse after that. I thought he was going to find true love with the elf girl that he found when he was like 9 or something like that. And with the witch/mage girl who taught him magic. I did not think he was going to end up touching kids when he was at the point of being illegal adult around like 16 years old. Once I heard about that I got out and never looked back. And one of the few times I ever watched an anime that has a lot of fan service, almost just straight up nudity all the time for the female characters is High School DXD. And I admit, I was there on some prayer stuff. But I actually stuck around because I love the action and the fact that the drama was continuing to grow. Although I must have been one of like a million other people watching the series and just screaming at the protagonist to just say the girl's name that he was mainly in love with instead of calling her president all the time because she was a leader of their club in school. Which is extremely strange since he basically declared to the whole underworld that he was going to marry her. Including her brother who was literally the king devil. But held himself at a distance even though they sleep together while she's completely naked. And he's never gone the distance from just groping boobs to full on sex. I got a spoiler from the manga to find out that he does eventually get the goods from a few of the girls. But in one of those cases it was with his friend who's like an angel now, and apparently they can't have enjoyable sex. So they had to do it inside of like a bubble of muting magic or something. So they could enjoy themselves and stuff in that process basically to make a dragon-angel baby hybrid but after they got out they wouldn't remember anything about it. And at that point I got where the writing was going, but I also saw the ridiculousness of non-secular ideologies when it comes to procreation and religion. Because it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that you can't have sex and enjoy it. It's just about not over-indulging. However again I digress because I understand the piety ideal of it. Confusing AF. But still mostly understandable 😅😂😂😵💫🤦🏾♂️😂
average rudeus defender.(btw, im not talking about the ones who defend rudeus with stuff like "he's improved a lot as a person since ep 1" or "the story is peak" or "his character development is incredible." im talking about the ones who try to defend the action instead of the person. ive seen actual ppl trying to defend rudeus's actions, atleast the prior ppl understand rudeus was a terrible person and did some heinous shit, this latter group of people tho will actually try to defend his actions though!!!)
Ok but for real tho, since we can't really compare to it any real life experiences till when would a reincarnated person with the same memories be considered of the same age as his previous life ? Given that he is growing up normally with hormonal changes and mentality and environment chances when would he be simply not consider the person he once was. (Also let's not bring any morals into it, it's simply a discussion)
imo, when his current(physical) age is at least relative to his mental age(ie. the age he was in his past life). Hormonal changes are something they have to manage as best they can(esspecially learning self control, managing emotions ect), and their mentality is their responsibity, they are to be held accountable for their actions. obviously enviromental changes can impact their mental state and they may not be able to do any of the above things i mentioned, but that doesnt mean it justifies their actions(i wont go further than this, since then we'd have to get into different types of justification, and i dont wanna do that).
@@ThePr1nceOfNothing well yah that's the obvious answer but don't you think being given a new body, identity and environment will kinda merge your ages together, at soms point you'll just simply forget things or don't care about your past life. Do you think it's fine to let go of your previous life and let this new identity define you or do you think it's worth it to keep your morals or ideals from the previous life which might amount to nothing.
@@ishansharma2463 personally, i think it entirely depends on the person and what they want. some people may want to use their reincarnation to start anew. others may want to continue on the path they took before. and others might try to use their past to shape the future. As for me? More often than not, i'd keep my previouss ideals and morals, if my ideals and morals where so flimsy all it took was a new life for me to abandon them, then they werent my ideals or morals. because one of the things i hate most is a person who cant even keep their own ideals. So what if it amounts to nothing? Atleast at the end i know "I" chose that path and stuck with it to the end. whatever punishment, pain or torment is just a part of the package i chose to deal with. but that's just me, what about you?
This is why I love Norn and her role in the story. She's the only character with good morals that match the real world and she constantly wonders what the fuck is wrong with everybody else
The flipside of this is the annoying mfs who spam you with "The age of consent is 18" memes if you state that you find the Kanna scenes in Dragon Maid entertaining. I'm sorry that I find comedic scenes in a comedic show funny.
To be fair, when it comes to Mushoku Tensei (since it was mentioned in the chat), Rudeus does have the same mental age as his physical age. He does have more experiences but not his brain from the previous life. Like how he cries like a child in episode 23 of season 1 after Eris leaves him. He even says that he was just a brat acting grown up because of his previous life's memories in the last episode of season 2 when talking to Paul's grave. Not trying to justify his perversion though. Just making attention to what a lot of people seem to overlook.
I’ll be honest with you here. Just a casual enjoyer of MT ( I hate Rudy but like the story so I do still enjoy what it offers). However justification of his character and mental age just makes the MT fans more weird from our perspective. Rudy is written to be weird and flawed that’s all. Suppose a robber kills a person while robbing someone. Justifying the particular thief’s actions that he/she stole because they are poor and hungry so don’t punish them will only make your points weaker. Regardless of the reasoning what’s done is done and the judge has to make a decision based on the action. It’s hard to defend season 1 Rudy. I’m sure you know a lot more than me too on that subject.
@@pawnee2419 I do think Rudeus is a very flawed character. He's very inconsiderate and doesn't seem to regret his actions. Even when it comes to his "character growth", honestly, there isn't much. Mushoku Tensei is more about change than redemption. So even by the end of series, he's not very different when it comes to these things. But even then, it does kind of piss me off when people literally see Rudeus as a 40+ man when he really isn't anymore. It's to okay for people to criticize Rudeus (as they should). But why use the dumb argument of saying that it's wrong because he's old? It's wrong because the shit he does is wrong.
Rudeus literally thinks of lewding his mother the moment he was born and opened his eyes. The hell do you mean he has the same mental age as his physical age. Babies do not have the mental capacity to think like that.
Rudeus was literally thinking of lewding his mother the moment he was reincarnated. Hell do you mean he has the same mental age as his physical age, babies don’t have the mental capacity to do that. Ignoring the fact that Rudeus’s mental image of himself was his old fat neet self.
@@israel.s.garcia Let me tell you it is simply his inner monologue. Regardless of his mental age when we see his scene with Eris. All the anime/casual viewers hear his thoughts through the VA who is portraying his inner voice as his past self. People are aware that he is a kid now but why put his past voice and still expect people not to feel like a kid’s body is being guided by the old creeps thoughts into doing those. You won’t hear novel readers talk about it cause we all can either skip his thoughts and skim through info or have our own version of his inner voice in our mind as a child like you mentioned. However in anime the people have to hear his Neet unemployed guy’s voice creeping on a kid Eris. Now tell me why do you think people won’t feel bothered about it? Even if you know facts for a change of pace, emotionally it is a hard scenario to push aside. Like you know that arranged marriages and political marriage were the norm back then for a reason however as a human being living in a modern era can you stomach the idea of being engaged as a kid to god knows who before you even had the idea of what the difference between opposite sex is. Hope that gives you a good idea of comparison. I just tried to portray what I think make the audience uncomfortable despite the claims and points MT fan bring to defend him.
Folks go defending Rudeus even though he's a pervert, but say nothing against this take. The character of Erased isn't acting creepy towards his childhood friend. He's driven by remorse and guilt, trying to save her from death. If anything, they act like friends in the "past". Romance only happens in the "present", between the MC and his co-worker who hides him from the police. She IS younder than him, but she's still an adult?
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Man was just digging his own grave deeper and deeper
It's convenient when they dig to hell on their own, saves on the legal process!
the "chotto mate" comes at the perfect time 0:39
40 yt old falling in love with 12 yr old, that's mushoku tensei😅
"No, I mean, I know you think it's weird that he's a 40 year old possessing the body of a 10 year old, but his brain is atually that of a 10 year old, so he's not ACTUALLY a 40 year old, you see!?
And also, he doesn't ACTUALLY get with her at that age, he just starts lusting for her when they're like, 4 year olds, but he only ACTUALLY starts liking her when they're like, teenagers! It's WAAAAY less weird, you know?
And, and yeah, like, I know you'll say it sounds like grooming or something, but it's not like that man! I swear!"
- Rudeus Defender, 2024 (probably)
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All jokes aside though, don't get me wrong, Mushoku Tensei IS really good and incredibly well written. It's just ALSO undeniably very wrong, and that's kind of the whole point.
@@urtoryu_dy_althraidn lmaoooo, that was so funny to read
The way I’ve argued with real anime fans that were trying to justify weird shit using these EXACT same arguments is crazy
"its fiction bro"
@@JodioJoestar-by8sn "YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING IT SEXUAL!!!"
@@JodioJoestar-by8sn “liking pixels that look like children doesn’t mean I like children”
Okay so explain to me in detail what you find attractive about this pixel that looks like a child
@@ayoidek6571 if you use that logic, then GTA player or DBD player already in jail bruh
@@Agravain-7 nah you’re just dumb, if you’re attracted to a pixelated kid, you like kids, because those pixelated kids have childish features
The wife is an school student is actually pretty wholesome, at least that’s what I’ve heard
Is it out now?
@@UraharaSato-kun dunno
Ok🙂
Yeah it is
People are cancelling it without even reading the manga
Their is no romace from where i heard and more of.... How a mother reincarnated to meet her family who is depressed after her death.
If that's the story then there's nothing wrong with that anime then
3:35 "Me too!" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 CHRIS HANSEN RIGHT HERE-
4:40 The background music is epic, lmao.
Bro summed up rudeus' dynamic with his wives in mushoku tensei 💀💀💀
Farm Content 🗿 Peak Series
Definitely mushoku tensei
Yaaaay you finally watched this one
*Rudeus has left the chat*
Fun fact: this video was made because of Tokyo Revengers
Twilight and imprinting tho
The situation would be very different if the gender was switched 😐😐😐
Master Roshi IS this argument, and Bulma is the exhibit A-
Have no one watched Dragon Ball? Those who have understood and accepted it. Why get uncomfortable now?
Now watching anime based SOLEY on Incest and “step sister in a washing machine” themes on the other hand…
IDC i'm watching that show
It's definitely like jobless reincarnation but also at the same time much worse. Lmao
And at the same time, there is a bit of an ethical debate situation when it comes to stuff like that. If you found yourself back in the form of your 8-year-old self or younger. Like how in jobless reincarnation the protagonist Rudy had to literally start back up from being an infant up to where he got to. At that point if you're dating girls around the time if you're now new physical age. Technically there shouldn't be as much of a problem with it. The issue is that you still have the consciousness of what you had as your former self which was already a grown adult. That's where it gets iffy. Although Jobless Reincarnation is much worse, because apparently Rudy is on some pedo stuff a portion of the time. Which is another reason why I never went back and finished it 😅. Lucky clap cheeks when he was 13 or so and of all people he did it with his cousin, which sadly in his somewhat defense wasn't really that big of a deal in like old European-esque cultures. Which he was reborn into. That being said, it's the fact that it gets worse after that. I thought he was going to find true love with the elf girl that he found when he was like 9 or something like that. And with the witch/mage girl who taught him magic. I did not think he was going to end up touching kids when he was at the point of being illegal adult around like 16 years old. Once I heard about that I got out and never looked back.
And one of the few times I ever watched an anime that has a lot of fan service, almost just straight up nudity all the time for the female characters is High School DXD. And I admit, I was there on some prayer stuff. But I actually stuck around because I love the action and the fact that the drama was continuing to grow. Although I must have been one of like a million other people watching the series and just screaming at the protagonist to just say the girl's name that he was mainly in love with instead of calling her president all the time because she was a leader of their club in school. Which is extremely strange since he basically declared to the whole underworld that he was going to marry her. Including her brother who was literally the king devil. But held himself at a distance even though they sleep together while she's completely naked. And he's never gone the distance from just groping boobs to full on sex. I got a spoiler from the manga to find out that he does eventually get the goods from a few of the girls. But in one of those cases it was with his friend who's like an angel now, and apparently they can't have enjoyable sex. So they had to do it inside of like a bubble of muting magic or something. So they could enjoy themselves and stuff in that process basically to make a dragon-angel baby hybrid but after they got out they wouldn't remember anything about it. And at that point I got where the writing was going, but I also saw the ridiculousness of non-secular ideologies when it comes to procreation and religion. Because it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that you can't have sex and enjoy it. It's just about not over-indulging. However again I digress because I understand the piety ideal of it. Confusing AF. But still mostly understandable 😅😂😂😵💫🤦🏾♂️😂
u gotta react to more cilvanis he funny asl, i reccomend "people who think bleach is the best anime"
Funniest thing about this are the jobless enjoyes trying to justify it.
average rudeus defender.(btw, im not talking about the ones who defend rudeus with stuff like "he's improved a lot as a person since ep 1" or "the story is peak" or "his character development is incredible." im talking about the ones who try to defend the action instead of the person. ive seen actual ppl trying to defend rudeus's actions, atleast the prior ppl understand rudeus was a terrible person and did some heinous shit, this latter group of people tho will actually try to defend his actions though!!!)
Ok but for real tho, since we can't really compare to it any real life experiences till when would a reincarnated person with the same memories be considered of the same age as his previous life ? Given that he is growing up normally with hormonal changes and mentality and environment chances when would he be simply not consider the person he once was. (Also let's not bring any morals into it, it's simply a discussion)
imo, when his current(physical) age is at least relative to his mental age(ie. the age he was in his past life).
Hormonal changes are something they have to manage as best they can(esspecially learning self control, managing emotions ect), and their mentality is their responsibity, they are to be held accountable for their actions.
obviously enviromental changes can impact their mental state and they may not be able to do any of the above things i mentioned, but that doesnt mean it justifies their actions(i wont go further than this, since then we'd have to get into different types of justification, and i dont wanna do that).
@@ThePr1nceOfNothing well yah that's the obvious answer but don't you think being given a new body, identity and environment will kinda merge your ages together, at soms point you'll just simply forget things or don't care about your past life. Do you think it's fine to let go of your previous life and let this new identity define you or do you think it's worth it to keep your morals or ideals from the previous life which might amount to nothing.
@@ishansharma2463 personally, i think it entirely depends on the person and what they want. some people may want to use their reincarnation to start anew. others may want to continue on the path they took before. and others might try to use their past to shape the future. As for me? More often than not, i'd keep my previouss ideals and morals, if my ideals and morals where so flimsy all it took was a new life for me to abandon them, then they werent my ideals or morals. because one of the things i hate most is a person who cant even keep their own ideals. So what if it amounts to nothing? Atleast at the end i know "I" chose that path and stuck with it to the end. whatever punishment, pain or torment is just a part of the package i chose to deal with. but that's just me, what about you?
This is why I love Norn and her role in the story. She's the only character with good morals that match the real world and she constantly wonders what the fuck is wrong with everybody else
wait, so Aqua dating a teenage Kana is Oshi No Ko is bad?
😂😂
The flipside of this is the annoying mfs who spam you with "The age of consent is 18" memes if you state that you find the Kanna scenes in Dragon Maid entertaining.
I'm sorry that I find comedic scenes in a comedic show funny.
You should watche anime hous it's good
To be fair, when it comes to Mushoku Tensei (since it was mentioned in the chat), Rudeus does have the same mental age as his physical age. He does have more experiences but not his brain from the previous life. Like how he cries like a child in episode 23 of season 1 after Eris leaves him. He even says that he was just a brat acting grown up because of his previous life's memories in the last episode of season 2 when talking to Paul's grave.
Not trying to justify his perversion though. Just making attention to what a lot of people seem to overlook.
I’ll be honest with you here.
Just a casual enjoyer of MT ( I hate Rudy but like the story so I do still enjoy what it offers).
However justification of his character and mental age just makes the MT fans more weird from our perspective.
Rudy is written to be weird and flawed that’s all.
Suppose a robber kills a person while robbing someone. Justifying the particular thief’s actions that he/she stole because they are poor and hungry so don’t punish them will only make your points weaker.
Regardless of the reasoning what’s done is done and the judge has to make a decision based on the action. It’s hard to defend season 1 Rudy.
I’m sure you know a lot more than me too on that subject.
@@pawnee2419 I do think Rudeus is a very flawed character. He's very inconsiderate and doesn't seem to regret his actions. Even when it comes to his "character growth", honestly, there isn't much. Mushoku Tensei is more about change than redemption. So even by the end of series, he's not very different when it comes to these things.
But even then, it does kind of piss me off when people literally see Rudeus as a 40+ man when he really isn't anymore. It's to okay for people to criticize Rudeus (as they should). But why use the dumb argument of saying that it's wrong because he's old? It's wrong because the shit he does is wrong.
Rudeus literally thinks of lewding his mother the moment he was born and opened his eyes. The hell do you mean he has the same mental age as his physical age. Babies do not have the mental capacity to think like that.
Rudeus was literally thinking of lewding his mother the moment he was reincarnated. Hell do you mean he has the same mental age as his physical age, babies don’t have the mental capacity to do that. Ignoring the fact that Rudeus’s mental image of himself was his old fat neet self.
@@israel.s.garcia Let me tell you it is simply his inner monologue.
Regardless of his mental age when we see his scene with Eris. All the anime/casual viewers hear his thoughts through the VA who is portraying his inner voice as his past self.
People are aware that he is a kid now but why put his past voice and still expect people not to feel like a kid’s body is being guided by the old creeps thoughts into doing those.
You won’t hear novel readers talk about it cause we all can either skip his thoughts and skim through info or have our own version of his inner voice in our mind as a child like you mentioned. However in anime the people have to hear his Neet unemployed guy’s voice creeping on a kid Eris.
Now tell me why do you think people won’t feel bothered about it? Even if you know facts for a change of pace, emotionally it is a hard scenario to push aside.
Like you know that arranged marriages and political marriage were the norm back then for a reason however as a human being living in a modern era can you stomach the idea of being engaged as a kid to god knows who before you even had the idea of what the difference between opposite sex is.
Hope that gives you a good idea of comparison. I just tried to portray what I think make the audience uncomfortable despite the claims and points MT fan bring to defend him.
Definitely Erased
Folks go defending Rudeus even though he's a pervert, but say nothing against this take.
The character of Erased isn't acting creepy towards his childhood friend. He's driven by remorse and guilt, trying to save her from death. If anything, they act like friends in the "past".
Romance only happens in the "present", between the MC and his co-worker who hides him from the police. She IS younder than him, but she's still an adult?
😂😂