Between this and the in-shop elevator from Jay Bates, and I am thinking it is time to start buying some winches before all the RUclips woodworkers drive up the price/reduce the supply. Nice Project!
That’s not a bad idea. You can get this winch from Harbor Freight pretty cheap, might be time to stock up! Or of course you can use my affiliate link 😉
Agreed. The only improvement I could think of there would be a wee slot in the x-carve frame edge for the locks to drop into, so that the hinges can't be bumped out of the way.
Cool idea, Mark. Rather than tape on the floor -- which will eventually pull loose -- why not just hit the feet of the sawhorses with a bit of spraypaint. This will make a "Shadow" on the floor that you can use in future to put the legs back in the same spot.
Innovative! Couple of things though: 1. I worry about the racking of your CNC bed and keeping the bed true each time you bring it down. The extruded channels that make up your X-Carve bed and gantry aren't really meant for 'mobile' applications. 2. If you do think all is OK with #1, I'd flip the CNC around 180 degrees so that the gantry and motor were farther up the wall when in the 'home' position. Right now it looks like I'd walk by and hit my head on the motor if I wasn't watching. Your tracks probably aren't deep enough but I'd also think about trying to put the legs integral to the base so they could tuck up underneath and I didn't have to worry about the saw horses. With my luck "d have them occupied doing something else when I wanted to get out the CNC.
Have you seen those flip top sanding stations that people make, if you made one of those the sanding station could be the platform for the carve to sit in. The worktop is on a pivot the sanding machine is bolted and when you rotate it you have a plain flat worktop.
Nice job. You could, however, screw it to the wall and use it vertically when needed. Proper work-holding would be required. Chip-clearing would improve too. {Assumes the x-y drives are adequate or have controls (e.g., encoders) to compensate for sag}.
Great job! If you had the rails lower on the wall, you could just leave the back rollers engaged with the back edge of the table flush to the rails and never have to worry about them catching. And it seems like the front rollers aren't really needed as the hoist and back rollers are supporting and guiding the table up.
Nice work on the lift Mark, the problem solving process is always so rewarding, when you can solve the problems of course! One thought on the back, upper bearings, can they be mounted at a 45ish degree angle so you don't need the narrow piece of wood that fits in the track? The right angle should allow for the range of motion you need.
Funny thing - I’ve just been thinking about how to put similar machine out of the way, I like your idea so I may steel it. One thought using your first prototype is you cut the board just behind where the post of the roller is embedded and added a good solid hinge that might make it simpler, ie attach a short hinged piece to the table ( might be stronger?)
I played around with the idea of hinges for a while. I'm sure there is a solution in there somewhere, but I decided this was easier for my brain to wrap around.
Still coming. Right after I posted that first video I found out we were moving to a new state. Then 2020 happened. Having a camper is pretty low on the priority list at the moment. But I still have it and it's still coming.
Good concept as always, you are excellent at design. I know you are a Rockler guy, but Unistrut would be a far better product for the track and trolley wheels. I used Unistrut for my shop ceiling trolley system and works great at fraction of what Rockler charges. Available on Amazon, of course.
Very, very nice. I'm thinking I'd prefer to have it hit the max height and then rest the weight on a steel version of the door hinge helpers (maybe something spring loaded to pop once a set height is attained) to take the weight off the hoist in case it may lengthen the lifespan of the hoist and to not rely on that being the load bearer at all ...
Put some hooks on the now bottom of the X-Carve that attach to a matched set of hooks on the saw horse closest to the wall collapse saw horse and lift. Lift the X-Carve up further and pickup the second set of saw horses, collapse its legs and you will have created a storage space for then. Just eyeballing it you could probably hang the alu 2x4 frame on top of the hanging saw horses. Your whole framework could hang out of the way on the wall always ready to be lowered and used.
I am curious if you could use the x-carve if you hard mounted it to the wall ,,, it would seem to me that you would only need to worry about your work piece from falling off the spoilboard but many people screw it down anyway?
I have a OneFinity comings, and have looked at various alternative for a fold up table. For my table I am making a torsion box, two 3/4” pieces of plywood. Are there any specs open the channel in terms of what weight it can hold?
Very good idea and that took a little noodling to figure out I am sure. Would there be a way for you to mount foldable legs to the bottom of the x carve so that you could do away with the saw horses ? Just a thought. Thanks for the video.
Great idea! I have been looking for exactly this kind of solution. I'm curious if now after several months, would you modify any part of the design? Also, I wonder if you can easily slide the planer table over the aluminum extrusions, does the router vibrations cause the thing to shift at all during operation?? In other words, do you think there needs to be any additional supports or the like to stabilize the table during use?? Thanks again for a great video. From St Paul, Rick
I am wondering if making a piece with the wheels that stays in the tracks and the X-carve table is attached with hinges to fold down as the hoist goes up the wall? Then add some fold-out legs for the front and a set of those stops you use on the wall at the bottom of the tracks (where you put the "funnels") to take the weight of the other side when all the way down? This would remove the saw horses completely and also remove the need for the metal brackets in the back as the pivot point would be handled by the hinged part?
Also, could use garage door track and then use the locking pins you can get to lock doors as the locks in the track to position of the CNC when in the down and up position. I really like this idea for a number of large tools that take up table space but are not always in use. Even could do a wall of these for work tables that come down when you need assembly space, but then fold flat to the wall when you need more room in the shop.
Wouldn't be nice to have some sort of mobile base to put it under the cnc when is used? Like 2 legs divided on 2 parts, screwed to the wall under the cnc and when you need to use it you just need to unfold the hinges of the leg and you have all the length and support that you need
Interesting, but unless you want to move it, I'd have gone with a simple fold up desk option with fold down legs, with counter weight pulley system. Would be much simpler and quicker to do than the hoist and saw horses setup, with less that could go wrong... Though, some pulleys on either side could make it more full proof to be pulled up and resist racking and a counter weight with pulley could be set up on the ceiling to help slow how quickly it'll lower to the wall without needing you to use the strap accept when lowering it and bringing it out on top of the saw horses. So it's at least easier on you...
The reason for this is to get the unit up away from the lower usable walls pace. You'd lose the height of the x-carve in depth against the wall if it was just a folding table.
Hey Jeff! Short but relevant story for you. My grandmother is from Denmark. I told my mom I was thinking about naming our new puppy Skeet. My mom said that’s the only Danish word grandma ever used!
I’ve never used an X carve but a question - does the device need to be horizontal to be used? I’m thinking of a wall mounted panel saw, what about a wall mounted carve?
Not a bad setup. I did something similar in my last garage as it was very small and jam packed. I stored my table saw on a shelf that was attached to the wall with a french cleat. I used a winch mounted to the rafters to lift the saw up high enough to slide the shelf under it, then lowered it down onto the shelf. Here is a link to a forum post with a picture and a description in the next post (post 387 and 388), www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1845154&highlight=table#post1845154
That is crying out for 2 fixed fold out legs from the wall beneath it. I wouldn't want to tie up a pair of saw horse just to use the xcarve and if the legs folded from the wall, the back of the table wouldn't need to come away from the wall anymore.
My thoughts too. Legs hinged at the bottom, connected to the wall would pivot out and support the machine without any trouble, judging by the apparent height of the ceiling. Its got me thinking.....
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Jump ahead to 10:18 if you just can't wait to see this thing in action.
I like it; despite the fact that it lacks any unnecessary walnut.
Between this and the in-shop elevator from Jay Bates, and I am thinking it is time to start buying some winches before all the RUclips woodworkers drive up the price/reduce the supply. Nice Project!
That’s not a bad idea. You can get this winch from Harbor Freight pretty cheap, might be time to stock up! Or of course you can use my affiliate link 😉
Great idea! I like the simplicity of the door hinge safety mechanisms!
Agreed. The only improvement I could think of there would be a wee slot in the x-carve frame edge for the locks to drop into, so that the hinges can't be bumped out of the way.
Cool idea, Mark. Rather than tape on the floor -- which will eventually pull loose -- why not just hit the feet of the sawhorses with a bit of spraypaint. This will make a "Shadow" on the floor that you can use in future to put the legs back in the same spot.
What a cool concept! That frees up a TON of space for you!
wow, your t-bracket solution is really cool!
You are a genius! Way to stick with it and figure it out! I would have given up after the first problem
Really neat idea and good use of the Track Tubes.
This untied like a 100 knots in my head for mounting my X-Carve. Awesome video, thanks!!
Fuggin genius! Very well executed! I commend you, sir!
Free the floor space. Very nice and smart
I really like all the problem solving on this one Mark! Really great solution!!!
Innovative! Couple of things though: 1. I worry about the racking of your CNC bed and keeping the bed true each time you bring it down. The extruded channels that make up your X-Carve bed and gantry aren't really meant for 'mobile' applications. 2. If you do think all is OK with #1, I'd flip the CNC around 180 degrees so that the gantry and motor were farther up the wall when in the 'home' position. Right now it looks like I'd walk by and hit my head on the motor if I wasn't watching.
Your tracks probably aren't deep enough but I'd also think about trying to put the legs integral to the base so they could tuck up underneath and I didn't have to worry about the saw horses. With my luck "d have them occupied doing something else when I wanted to get out the CNC.
Outstanding, well done, my kind of "I can do that" guy.
A true MacGyver 👍 👏 👌
Have you seen those flip top sanding stations that people make, if you made one of those the sanding station could be the platform for the carve to sit in. The worktop is on a pivot the sanding machine is bolted and when you rotate it you have a plain flat worktop.
Awesome engineering and problem solving! Keep up the great work on your channel and podcast!
Great video Jay!
Nice idea .. glad the TrackTubes are coming in handy for you!
Mark, That is genius, and great to see the iterative process.
This is awesome, Mark! I love the thought process, testing and explanation of your reasoning. Looks like it works great.
I can tell you are an engineer, Mark. This application came out wonderfully.
Thanks for sharing. Felix
Very nice mark! Way to use that brain for more than chopping trees and being overall awesome.
Nice video Mark. Thanks for showing the issues and different iterations!
Nice job. You could, however, screw it to the wall and use it vertically when needed. Proper work-holding would be required. Chip-clearing would improve too. {Assumes the x-y drives are adequate or have controls (e.g., encoders) to compensate for sag}.
Great problem solving. Works like a charm.
Pretty cool design~!
just the idea I have been looking for.
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Pretty nice work, dude! That was brilliant! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
This is a pretty damn good solution. Really appreciate you sharing it with us!!
This is great!!!
No, you’re great. 💋
Great job! If you had the rails lower on the wall, you could just leave the back rollers engaged with the back edge of the table flush to the rails and never have to worry about them catching. And it seems like the front rollers aren't really needed as the hoist and back rollers are supporting and guiding the table up.
Well done!
Nice work on the lift Mark, the problem solving process is always so rewarding, when you can solve the problems of course! One thought on the back, upper bearings, can they be mounted at a 45ish degree angle so you don't need the narrow piece of wood that fits in the track? The right angle should allow for the range of motion you need.
Great job. 👍
Funny thing - I’ve just been thinking about how to put similar machine out of the way, I like your idea so I may steel it. One thought using your first prototype is you cut the board just behind where the post of the roller is embedded and added a good solid hinge that might make it simpler, ie attach a short hinged piece to the table ( might be stronger?)
I played around with the idea of hinges for a while. I'm sure there is a solution in there somewhere, but I decided this was easier for my brain to wrap around.
Nice job!
Yeah! That's really clever Mark.
Good idea. What ever happened to the camper renovation series. was looking forward to that.
Still coming. Right after I posted that first video I found out we were moving to a new state. Then 2020 happened. Having a camper is pretty low on the priority list at the moment. But I still have it and it's still coming.
Same idea as Jay Bates did the other week then right? Can’t remember if his was a Rockler thing though. Pretty cool regardless.
It would be cool if the mobile sanding station you make replaced the saw horse set up that way it would have a dual purpose.
Good concept as always, you are excellent at design. I know you are a Rockler guy, but Unistrut would be a far better product for the track and trolley wheels. I used Unistrut for my shop ceiling trolley system and works great at fraction of what Rockler charges. Available on Amazon, of course.
I’d be so pleased to receive this x-carve at home if it’s in the middle of your shop and disturbs you, Marc 😉.
Very, very nice. I'm thinking I'd prefer to have it hit the max height and then rest the weight on a steel version of the door hinge helpers (maybe something spring loaded to pop once a set height is attained) to take the weight off the hoist in case it may lengthen the lifespan of the hoist and to not rely on that being the load bearer at all ...
Put some hooks on the now bottom of the X-Carve that attach to a matched set of hooks on the saw horse closest to the wall collapse saw horse and lift. Lift the X-Carve up further and pickup the second set of saw horses, collapse its legs and you will have created a storage space for then. Just eyeballing it you could probably hang the alu 2x4 frame on top of the hanging saw horses. Your whole framework could hang out of the way on the wall always ready to be lowered and used.
Is that an Aeon laser under the cover? Great track designa!
Smart idea. I'm looking at doing something similar myself...
I hope this gave you some ideas then!
As others will comment, its likely that eventually you are going to warp and twist the gantry by hanging the cnc off that eye bolt.
I love the idea. 👍👍
Very cool 👍👍
Have you ever tried running the cnc on the wall? Work holding will probably be a pain but i don't see why it would'nt work.
I am curious if you could use the x-carve if you hard mounted it to the wall ,,, it would seem to me that you would only need to worry about your work piece from falling off the spoilboard but many people screw it down anyway?
I have a OneFinity comings, and have looked at various alternative for a fold up table. For my table I am making a torsion box, two 3/4” pieces of plywood. Are there any specs open the channel in terms of what weight it can hold?
Very good idea and that took a little noodling to figure out I am sure. Would there be a way for you to mount foldable legs to the bottom of the x carve so that you could do away with the saw horses ? Just a thought. Thanks for the video.
Possibly. But adding legs to the x-carve would add weight, and I'm not sure I could make foldable ones as solid as the sawhorses.
Great idea! I have been looking for exactly this kind of solution. I'm curious if now after several months, would you modify any part of the design? Also, I wonder if you can easily slide the planer table over the aluminum extrusions, does the router vibrations cause the thing to shift at all during operation?? In other words, do you think there needs to be any additional supports or the like to stabilize the table during use?? Thanks again for a great video. From St Paul, Rick
I am wondering if making a piece with the wheels that stays in the tracks and the X-carve table is attached with hinges to fold down as the hoist goes up the wall? Then add some fold-out legs for the front and a set of those stops you use on the wall at the bottom of the tracks (where you put the "funnels") to take the weight of the other side when all the way down? This would remove the saw horses completely and also remove the need for the metal brackets in the back as the pivot point would be handled by the hinged part?
Also, could use garage door track and then use the locking pins you can get to lock doors as the locks in the track to position of the CNC when in the down and up position.
I really like this idea for a number of large tools that take up table space but are not always in use. Even could do a wall of these for work tables that come down when you need assembly space, but then fold flat to the wall when you need more room in the shop.
Could you also use the cnc when its vertical or just very slightly tilted?
Wouldn't be nice to have some sort of mobile base to put it under the cnc when is used?
Like 2 legs divided on 2 parts, screwed to the wall under the cnc and when you need to use it you just need to unfold the hinges of the leg and you have all the length and support that you need
Awesome.
Interesting, but unless you want to move it, I'd have gone with a simple fold up desk option with fold down legs, with counter weight pulley system. Would be much simpler and quicker to do than the hoist and saw horses setup, with less that could go wrong...
Though, some pulleys on either side could make it more full proof to be pulled up and resist racking and a counter weight with pulley could be set up on the ceiling to help slow how quickly it'll lower to the wall without needing you to use the strap accept when lowering it and bringing it out on top of the saw horses. So it's at least easier on you...
The reason for this is to get the unit up away from the lower usable walls pace. You'd lose the height of the x-carve in depth against the wall if it was just a folding table.
Did you screw the tracks into the wall studs?
The right-side track is in a stud, but my whole shop is covered in osb sheeting, so it wasn't really necessary.
Now that it is perfect, you'll realize it's just as easy to use the new one for everything, and you'll sell this one. :o)
Very Nice!!!
Let the 2 wheels stay in the track, and put leg in the front, you Can Block the track a the bottom, if you get my ideas ok Jeff Denmark 🇩🇰
Hey Jeff! Short but relevant story for you. My grandmother is from Denmark. I told my mom I was thinking about naming our new puppy Skeet. My mom said that’s the only Danish word grandma ever used!
I’ve never used an X carve but a question - does the device need to be horizontal to be used? I’m thinking of a wall mounted panel saw, what about a wall mounted carve?
You probably have to compensate the weight of the gantry because of gravity :(
Great idea! question on the laser, where did you get the cover for it?! I have one in my shop and it just gets covered in dust when its not in use!
This is the one I bought. It's an outdoor furniture cover and I just made sure to find the right size. amzn.to/3clrfBY
@@GunflintDesigns Awesome thank! Never would have thought of that, just would have kept cleaning it off like a sucker haha
Well done brother!
Can the x-carve work handing on the wall?
I don't think the motors that move the router are powerful enough to move it through whatever it's cutting and to fight gravity...
Not a bad setup. I did something similar in my last garage as it was very small and jam packed. I stored my table saw on a shelf that was attached to the wall with a french cleat. I used a winch mounted to the rafters to lift the saw up high enough to slide the shelf under it, then lowered it down onto the shelf. Here is a link to a forum post with a picture and a description in the next post (post 387 and 388), www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1845154&highlight=table#post1845154
That is crying out for 2 fixed fold out legs from the wall beneath it. I wouldn't want to tie up a pair of saw horse just to use the xcarve and if the legs folded from the wall, the back of the table wouldn't need to come away from the wall anymore.
My thoughts too. Legs hinged at the bottom, connected to the wall would pivot out and support the machine without any trouble, judging by the apparent height of the ceiling. Its got me thinking.....
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How has this worked out long term? Did it ever knock your tram out of alignment or Motor issues slipping on the belts?