The whole question of justice in fallout always brings me back to the end of Boondock Saints. "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principals which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions. They are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost."
I purified The Family's den with my flame thrower and spent a few minutes arranging their corpses in funny poses for amusement. They were cooked, but not eaten.
Half way through your video, once the quest was finished and you started talking about vampirism and cannibalism, when you mentioned about how the Family could've evolved a defense against the toxicity of the blood, it reminded of how modern humans became lactose tolerant. Originally humans couldn't drink milk beyond being a toddler. But about 10,000BC a mutation starting taking hold of the human race in which people could start drinking normal milk longer into their lives until eventually they could drink milk for their entire lives. That means today's lactose intolerant people are actually more closer to original humans than the lactose tolerance are. So I can drink milk so I could consider myself a mutant by Fallout's the Family mechanics of evolution.
Lora Elstad When I posted my comment I was thinking how long it’d be before someone would say that. It was a Strong reference. Lol. But then again, if lactose tolerant people are mutants and suddenly start demanding the milk of human kindness, does that makes those people super mutants without the need for FEV? 🤔
Lora Elstad Starting off with my juvenile side: Super Mutants forcing the milking process of us? Given their (lack of) intelligence, save for a small number of them, they’ll likely try to milk both men and women. Yeah somebody shoot me now. Oh and I just got a horrific vision of human milking farms now. Yeah, in the Fallout universe we humans are well and truly screwed. On serious note: if we’re talking about your average healthy human of today just suddenly going cold turkey cannibalism, later to vampirism, then yeah I can understand how improbable it is, especially being in Washington DC the Family would very likely be descendants of a civilized family from pre-war DC. However, I’d like to think of it like this: what if the gene for lead tolerance leading to allowing the continued drinking of blood was already present but, pre-war no one did that so the gene wasn’t active? People with the gene were nothing but carriers. Then, the bombs dropped, 200 years later and 3, maybe 4 generations later and the desperation of the survivors looking for food kickstarted the gene leading to some people being able to drink blood? After all, the Family is only a small group. There’s no definitive answer as to how many people in the Fallout universe have this gene/mutation but I’ll be willing to bet it’s not the entire USA, let alone the whole planet affected. I would think that situation is perfectly plausible.
The funny thing is, that scientist believes that over 65% of the population is still lactose intolerant.So you can kind of tell the other 35% developed this ability because of nutritional necessity something they weren't getting from other foods or milk;(most everyone can drink goats milk because of the low lactose).You could argue that in the Wasteland the FEV and radiation have caused a mid-level mutation in some humans to help with processing toxins and like lactose tolerance, it affects less than a majority because they have managed to find various food items, which could still cause some other mutations.
You forget about him saying he would become hungry and his sister would hold him until the hunger went away. So he was dealing with the hunger his whole life. I think the anger giving him seizures where he blacks out but I think he truly did kill them. And consider if your a cannibal you "know" to tell the guard that and he lets you in. Plus the family comes from all over the waiste's how did they gather? Maybe there is some connection they all share.
He called it the hunger only after meeting the family. The seizures would be something his sister would recognize since she saw it the day of the attack. Since her first experience of seeing this in her brother was violence she would conclude that her brother is going to become violent again and would hold him to stop him from doing any harm.
I killed them. All of them. And not just the men, but the women, and the children to. They're animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I hate them. -Anakin Skywalker.
I'm fairly certain cannibals don't need to exclusively eat human flesh. It seems more like they just lose their sanity if they go too long without "feeding".
But Ian went insane and needed human flesh to eat when he was a kid and never tasted human flesh. It just snapped into him, and apparently it also happened for a great deal of the Family if not all of them. Again, there is the question of possible mutation to think about. And don't try to be logical with how mutations work...this is Fallout, the science of radioactive mutation is 100% innacurate
I always found the ending of this quest a bit disappointing. I was hoping there would be some way to do a bit of detective work and uncover the truth behind the death of Ian's parents. What's even more disappointing is Lucy's reaction. Now I feel that staying with the Family may be a better option for Ian, since his own sister seems to care for him so little.
When Lucy says she "had almost forgotten about it", she means the LETTER, not her brother! She's forgotten the reason she sent the Wanderer was a dumb letter now that she knows most of her family is dead
She cares about her brother, she was the person stopping him from going psycho during years, which also bring a point: Ian survived YEARS without human flesh/blood. It's not a need for survival, it's a mental or psylochical sikeness, and I think putting Ian out of the psycho con in the metro might prevent him from assuming its normal, that he can't fight the hunger, that he must eat. As for the family, I chose the killing opotion, but only after being sure that Ian was back in Areu, he hasn't embrace this sikeness, he can be saved, not the others. In fact if it is a contagious mental/physical sikeness, it's best to put an end to it, letting humans eat each other is not a good evolution path. That said, I would have been fine with the truth ending...if I knew it was possible (yeah I missed the dialogue, dumb me)
Yeah that biological factor (and the "Since your body lacks the way to extract blood as we do" line) is why i am incline to believe the mutant theory, both with the Family and with Andale (maybe even why Andale is able to inbreed while avoiding the disorders that should come with it). Also why i do believe that Ivan does have the Hunger, if the mutation is real then Vance wouldn't be recruiting an random person with a medical problem. But yeah i agree, it's not justice but it is the logical option for the well being of Arefu and if it is a mutation is real then it's better to have the Family (now on blood packs) alive too.
@@johnanderson3899 or you could consider the utility of a person biologically designed to prey on other people as a way to counteract raiders, slavers, hell, even other mutants like feral ghould and super mutants. Genocide really shouldnt be the go to, maybe, especially cause this mutation could be like. Idk hella useful, medically speaking.
@@giannacollins1608 and what happens when Paradise Falls and Evergreen Mills are wiped out and the BoS along with the Regulators push any remaining raiders/slavers out? The family will prey on innocent people. Eliminate them now and preserve their corpses to study this mutation, which I think is still counterproductive to humanity’s future survival. Maybe develop gene therapy to neutralize it.
@@giannacollins1608 using gene therapy to fix abnormal behavior such as cannibalism and hematophagia isn’t eugenics. Eugenics is about euthanizing people with “inadequate” genes. If someone has this mutation, but doesn’t give in to his urges at all, he’s no threat. These people act on their urges, which is why they should be eliminated.
I got myself evicted. When I first played FO3 I didn’t understand how the game worked. I found Arefu before I found Megaton. I lived in the West’s house cuz it was the only place I knew of with a bed. Stored all my stuff in their closet for most of the game. When I finally found the family I made Arefu and the family allies, then went back and killed the family. I tried to go home to my / the West’s, shack but was super surprised when the people of Arefu tried to kill me. Had to move my 900 pounds of shit to a new house in several trips while avoiding getting shot. Oops.
Holy shit! Finding Arefu before finding Megaton is honestly impressive lol. It’s fun hearing about stories from people playing the game in unconventional ways.
"What do you need citizen?" -Ian the Imperial Guard "Welcome to Best Defense!" -Ian a shopkeeper of the Imperial City "Have you heard news from the other provinces?" -Ian the random citizen of the Empire
kuru was transferred when someone who already had those prions was eaten, not just from eating any random person. it's the same as eating any other tainted meat.
Not exactly. Prions are in everyone and they don’t do anything in small numbers but eating someone adds any prions they had to you and once you reach a critical mass of prions they start turning some of your other proteins into more prions and like Ox said prions cause a whole mess of issues including Kuru. You may have heard of Mad Cow Disease, that is a Prion based disease too.
@07:32, I'm surprised Vance doesn't know that in some Vampire tales, at least on Interview with a Vampire, vampires can not drink the blood of the dead.
You didn’t mention the fact that Ian took a blow to the head immediately before his first incident. He was then exposed to a high stress situation before snapping. I believe the high stress of being attacked at night may have caused the second incident with the parents.
Christopher Louis - Have a look at another of Oxhorns vids on it ruclips.net/video/xmccrzvJcxc/видео.html Lore friendly all the way back to earlier fallouts. Think "Soylent Green for the wastelands". The question you really should be asking though is where is all the squirrel bits coming from. Have you EVER seen a squirrel in fallout? Personally I was expecting to find the "All Squirrel" but the size of a Deathclaw. Just remember to bring nuts, be they yours or others :)
Once I found Lucy snuffed and laid out on the floor near Burke's shack. I think she glitched over a hand rail somewhere and fell to her death xD but I RP'd that she was killed by Burke after she turned down his advances :P
It was the Brahmin, not Ian's parents. Evan didn't even know about the deaths. So what exactly were the town's people upset about? Not murder, but the death of their Brahmin
because the West family was still in their house like everyone else. King had no idea they were dead because he was trying to make sure no raiders would attack
The family had been coming by to get blood from the Brahmin and would scare the settlers to keep them inside and in a real situation killing a towns source of food and income means they have to move or die.
I do believe you missed one detail in your segment on the potential mutation of the members of The Family that adds a level of depth into the conversation regarding what they are or may be. In the first video, The Family 1, at the 14:30 mark, there is a description of the injuries to the West family parents: "The bite marks on the neck appear to be from a human or humans with sharpened incisors or canines." This raises the question of, do these people file or sharpen their own teeth, and are otherwise human? Are these people born with teeth already sharper or shaped differently than a normal human? I find it odd that the description in the game would mention this on the injuries, yet no visual evidence or text/dialogue with anybody in The Family mentions any sort of teeth sharpening or even as a visual indicator of somebody being one of them. It may be nothing, but I found it rather interesting nonetheless.
As someone who is involved with biochemistry and neurotransmitters I really liked that you included prion diseases in the ending argument against cannibalism. I can tell you did your homework so props to you. As someone who briefly studied prions I would just like to clarify a few things, mainly towards the end of my comment. Prions are diseased proteins that have, as you have said, misfolded into a more thermodynamically stable state, when something is in a stable state it usually prefers to stay that way. What is really interesting about prions is that the healthy form of the protein actually occurs naturally in our body, they are called prion precursor proteins. Our DNA is hard coded to make these precursor proteins, we know the gene that performs this function. It is also important to keep in mind that the precursor protein is SIGNIFICANTLY higher in concentration in the brain and cerebral spinal fluid(CSF). Here's how prions work in a nutshell: when a healthy form of the precursor protein comes into contact with a prion, the healthy precursor protein will be contorted into the diseased form. A big reason why they are deadly is that prions tend to aggregate and form small clusters, it is important to state that smaller oligomers of 6-8 prions have been found to have the highest neurotoxicity. This is because the smaller clusters are more easily able to squeeze themselves in between axon terminals (the space between neurotransmitter cells) and disrupt normal neuron cell functions; they are therefore considered to be more dangerous. So your body essentially provides the fuel for prions to keep on making prions from your healthy precursors until the patient dies from neurological complications. Well why not just cook the meat then? Unfortunately prions are resilient, stable, and can withstand conditions that usually cause normal proteins to denature, or lose their function(means cooking meat will not reliably destroy prions, these are tough mfkers). The cases of Kuru were bad in New Guinea because their form of funeral cannibalism included consuming brain material. Prions can get pretty serious pretty quickly if brain material is involved. A quick reminder that the precursor is SIGNIFICANTLY higher in the brain and CSF. This means this is where the prions will accumulate the most. So you can imagine the horrible positive feedback loop this produced not only from a bioaccumulation perspective but from a population perspective. You are right that Kuru was confined to New Guinea and was only found in humans BUT other animals are definitely not immune to prions and have transmitted them to humans. The first prion disease to be identified were scrapies found in goats in 1732. Other prion diseases include Mad Cow's disease in cows and subsequently Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) in humans if they consume the diseased beef and have symptoms, presumably because they used recycled cow materials as cow feed which probably had brain material. From a scientist's point of view, thank you for doing your homework on the subject! I feel like you did it justice for a general audience.
In one of my profiles I had The Family leave Arefu alone. When I happened to drop by the town one day, I heard gunshots and shouting. I made it up the bridge in enough time to see a yoa gui kill EVERYONE in the town. Soooo, it's better to give the town a guard.
i think that bit before the Hemotaphage that Vance says, around 22:47... i think that's from Interview with the Vampire. I think it's LeStat's monologue to Louie. it's kinda sexy to actually hear it.
@@niggashlong619 The first revolvers were made in the 1830's and many revolvers, like those made by Colt, were used during the American Civil War, which was during Lincoln's Presidency.
Don't worry, I'm with the Institute, we will look after you and you will never have to worry about gears grinding again, it will feel just like a bad memory...memory...memory...
Ian is back in arefu and the town now has some new nightwalker "friends" to help them sleep at night. Best stuff all around, except Ian thinks his sister cares about him even though she evidently forgot all about him and the letter she wanted to send him. I believe the truly immoral part of this whole situation is how she forgets her own loved ones
I just want to add that in the previous episode if you have a high enough strength that you can use it to gain the passcode for ians terminal from karl the merchant.
This whole quest area is probably one of the better places to get money in the base game early on. Between the sugar bombs and blood packs, you can rack up a nice stash before your barter skill is up enough to walk away with some good deals from vendors.
@@leahcimolrac1477 he also mispronounced the word "heinous" in the previous episode. I don't pretend to be a linguist or anything, but...."high-ay-knee-us?!" This guy covers the lore well, but not the best narrator by any means. It's almost as if he makes no use of the almost limitless resources available these days. It never clicked to him while sounding out "heinous" that no one in the history of anything has ever described a crime as "high-ay-knee-us" and he never stopped to go, "oooooooh. 'Hey-nus!' I have heard of heinous crimes."
My mom has hemochromotosis crazy I didn't think I'd hear about it in this video she also has praphoria, the mad kings disease, which makes her alergic to the sun, so she's literally a vampire,
Evan King, the loot he gives you is entirely random, it could be caps, ammo, junk, food, chems anything but a weapon( and certainly not just booze). Thousands of hours of play have proven this to me.
I remember scouring all the locations where they said the family could be but I couldn’t find them, I eventually got all paranoid and annoyed but when I finally found them I went in brandishing a shotgun expecting to fight and the entire time I was on edge and when I realized I made it through without fighting and still did good I was suprised
I had no idea Oxhorn was still making videos! I loved his machinima videos "Oxhorns short shorts". I loved Hat the turtle and everything you made. Glad to know you're still in the RUclips game ❤
The problems of cannibalism really runs rampant in the wasteland... I feel bad for the normal/non-"vampire" cannibals. They're trying to survive but they're getting seriously sick because of it.
I would agree that subsistence cannibalism is morally wrong, and that survival cannibalism is understandable but still objectionable. But, I would argue that the ritual cannibalism of the Oceanic tribes can't be condemned as morally wrong. Yes they can have consequences if done with excessive regularity as with the tribe noted in the video, but especially with endocannibalism no living individual is being preyed on for food. Love the video and always been fascinated in this part of humanity
But do we know the origin of these practices? Did they start eating dead tribesmembers because it was a year with a food shortage and it just lasted long enough to become common practice? Why did it become a ritual in the first place? Was it subsistence or survival that evolved?
Vance's intelligence and dismissal of the Lone Wanderer and humanity's intellect, as well as his rejection of, and illusory transcendence over humanity are possibly a reference to Hannibal's character from "The Silence of the Lambs."
There's no way in hell that Ian wasn't the one to kill that one asshole trying to steal the Brahmin. With the Cannibalism perk, we see that they do share a strange connection with one another. It's also a wide variety of people, with greately differing temperments - one that even Vance, while admitting he has the aptitude to change peoples mindsets, could not have gotten without extrodinary skill in manipulation. Keep in mind - he has to keep them together. This in my mind, debunks the Seziure theory; plus that's just..not how that works. If it is a seziure, then it's a different form, one that cannot be related too strongely to a real world seziure. Another person brought up the hunger thing, something that Ian admits to having. It COULD be psychosis, as i also saw here, but the only real way to control that in the world of Fallout is by doing what they do. Vance is, also, a very open indiviual, and seems almost..relieved, in my eyes, that they can just drink blood from blood packs. It is possible that he slowly grew wanting more, a whole bodys worth; it could also be a simple supply and demand dillema. You also said yourself that the speech check to go and talk to him is really easy. Perhaps he wants to open up to people more? After all, he truly does believe this is something outside of there control. Of course, half of this is pretty strong, and half is me examining him from a theraputical side. I really wish we had more information, some things just do not add up. If he has dreams about it, im 99% certain he actually did eat his parents. Side note, the knocking on the door is actually a vampire thing. They cannot go into someones house without express permission from the owner in some fiction, so it's probably just Vance taking that and applying it in a benifical way - if he can get in then, well - easier feeding. But overall the best outcome is for everyone to work together, so on that, we agree.
That whole "knocking on the door thing" is ironic, in the Sims vampires can get the skill to bypass locked doors and go through a window in bat form. Vlad has no problem breaking into houses and makes himself at home.
One correction. Being infected with prions can only happen when eating the brain. Eating any other parts of the body should be fine as long as cooked properly. (This is not an endorsement of cannibalism).
I like that you had to deal with two different cannibal communities in this game, giving it a more black and white comparison. I chose to let them live on and continue to try to cope with their affliction, although I wouldn't mind killing Karl. He's a big problem waiting to happen. I wonder if my choices would have been different if the town of Andale wasn't included in the game
The town get the Family as new protectors, and the Family gets all the bloodpacks they can drink. Way I see it, from a Wasteland perspective, it's a win win all around. Makes me wish their were more quest that could end without any shootouts. Not judt in Fallout as a whole, but a lot of rpg games.
OXHORN?! how the heck are you man! I haven't watched your content since the machinimas ended. I'm glad to see you're still at it you legend. Keep it up!
at 45:50 after passing a speach check to 3 dog to give the info on where is dad you can still take the gnr quest but the reward is the key to that cell
It's weird hearing such an adult voice out of Ian, in the german version he realy sounds like a child. But sadly the cut in violence can sometimes be game breaking
It is worthwhile to note that there are genetic variations that protect against Kuru and vCJD in our world, and that these protective genes are over-expressed in some cultures with a long history of cannibalism.
THEY MADE AN OXHORN MOD SETTLER! My god this is amazing! You reeeeeaally need to do the voice acting for it! (Fallout 4 mod Xbox one) I want a person you running around my settlements! Lolol
I remember when Kens wife Braille gave me a tin can as a cookie the first time I played this game and I had to pause it I was laughing so hard. That woman is nuts and I love her for it. I would’ve loved to have Vance or a family member join me as a companion for resolving this situation, but that wasn’t to be. It was fun regardless though.
shouting and throwing bottles is a also a very good way to make people angry and come out of their homes to defend themselves, making it easy for the family members to feed without breaking in arefu's houses
In my play through, I stealthily killed all the of the other members of the Family, snuck up behind Vance with my stealth suit, took out my shocksword, turned on The Game by Motorhead, stood up, and proceeded to have an epic sword fight.
just pointing out the prions that are present in consumption of human flesh that would lead to kuru are only of the brain, not of other parts of the body - and even so african tribes who practice cannibalism as a ritual to their dead have developed a resistance to kuru and neuro-degenerative disorders.
The boy has some serious psychological problems. (or maybe he really is a vampire) Either way it is best he stays with the other cannibals so they can keep an eye on him
I would have liked to send Ian to Megaton to live with Lucy. She was his best friend before, why not have them continue to be a team? The Family can still protect Arefu, the town can grow again, and the Family can feed without killing anyone.
I remember when I was 19 and I had my wisdom teeth pulled, how anyone can have a blood drinking fetish is beyond me...let's just say the taste got old REAL quick.
2 things: 1. Can you reverse-pickpocket Vance's Longcoat? (For those that want to test it for me, it's done by giving him armor with better stats - he equips the better armor and the other armor is in his inventory, no available to take) 2. I thouht Kuru was only from eating brain.
Ox, I'm curious why you said part of the best ending was to have Ian stay with the Family. If your theory about Ian having seizures is true, Vance just used the poor boy and he's not a vampire at all. Wouldn't that mean the best option would be to send him back to Arefu?
Another thing that could've happened to Evan when he was 10 is a anemia iron deficiency which explains the passing out, headache, and blurry vision as for him being feral and ripping a guys throat I don't think anemia or a stroke could explain that
I dont think it is a seizure either....I think the frenzy like condition of the so called vampire is actually a form of fugue(see Mini-DSM 5). One of the main systems is violent episodes where the subject totally blacks out and wakes up covered in blood.
I figured it was a berserker state. These were people who, when reaching a high rage level, would black out and become extremely violent. They would not feel pain and would rage until they passedout, doing massive damage to the enemy.
Not to sound like a complete asshat, but I have just a tiny bit of a correction about Kuru, it doesn't actually propagate by eating human flesh/meat but is contracted by consuming brain tissue that has been contaminated with prions (which develop 3-10 days postmortem) thus causing brain and nervous system changes similar to Creutzfeldt-Jakob (Mad Cow) disease. (cited in the link below) Anyhow, I hope that I helped you in some little way and I look forward to your next Video. I've actually been known to sit down with a Pint of ice cream and a bottle of Johnnie Walker (Double Black) whilst watching Scotch and Smokerings medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001379.htm
Going by everything that is seen in this quest line there is the important point from your own observations, when examining the west family you notice that the bite mark is different. I believe the right option is to keep Ian with the family and have them defend Arefu. As he needs help for his mental condition - meditation, contemplation and guidance would help and also they understand that there is the chance that he could have a turn . after all what is the alternative? he is right about Lucy, she isn't that bothered about him - after all she forgets that he could be dead and doesn't bother trying to visit him. He would be left alone with a group of people that would have no clue as to what he is capable of. Also I believe that the ability to change is an important factor, unlike raiders who would just carry on killing, the family agree that there is a better way. This also works in the situation where there is no mutation, if its going to end up killing them it may as well be in a way that doesn't harm other people.
i always choose to have Arefu donate Blood in return for protection, i think it's the best result and i love being able to sell Blood to Vance in return for 15 caps a pack, it's what i think is the best outcome, peaceful and beneficial to both sides.
lol who doesn't remove the green tint? just like we commonly remove the orange tint in NV, it saturates everything and makes the games look like utter crap. FO4 had a problem with color correction too. Bethesda should just... knock it off already, it doesn't look good.
A correction about prion diseases and kuru: first of all, prions can occur naturally in any one of us at any time for an unknown reason. People are not more likely to develop them because they are cannibals. You can only get it from eating if the thing you ate had them, and that goes for any creature that can have prions, be it a cow, deer, elk, or human. Deer have been found to have them in my county, which is why I don't really recommend people making venison products from local deer right now. (Wolves, btw, cannot contract prions diseases, which makes sense because their role in the ecosystem is picking off the sick and weak, and that would certainly include animals with prion diseases. They are nature's prion cleanup crew, and we've eliminated them from most of America and Europe because we had no idea they were that important.) Also, there's less risk, though never zero, if you do not eat any of the central nervous system. The whole reason it was a problem in Great Britain was that they were grinding up the unattractive bits, including the central nervous system, and feeding it to other cows, infecting them. So even if the risk wasn't high, assuming no part of the CNS was ground into meat, it was still too prevalent. And it's not just humans- I believe some cats also got it in that outbreak, because the lower-quality meat in their food was derived from many parts all ground up, including bits of the CNS. It is now believed that the Fore people (I've only ever heard it pronounced as foray, btw, although that could be wrong as it's not exactly a term I hear regularly since college and not all that frequently in college, because prion diseases weren't the focus of any of my classes.) originally contracted the prions from a certain species of fruit bats they considered a delicacy. The disease was then spread because of their practice of funerary cannibalism, where the brain was eaten by the women and children, infecting them. The risk of spreading prion diseases in a population through cannibalism is actually fairly low unless the right, or wrong, things all come into play. That said, a prey item that every single person involved in butchering, cooking, and eating it is susceptible to any contagious disease it happens to have is obviously not ideal. Human flesh is apparently very nutritious for humans, but the disease risk offsets that. Moreover, if you allow people to start to see other people as food, that can cause issues with people getting along peacefully. People may start to kill each other on pretexts just for the easy food, or rationalize killing people they don't like as "they're more valuable as food then they are alive." Governments could start to create crimes to have a convenient way to eliminate problematic people and turn them into a benefit. Given all the stories that China already forcibly harvests and sells organs from political prisoners, if the taboo against eating human flesh was removed they could easily turn that same mechanism into a means of eliminating all resistance while feeding their people. Frankly the U.S. could do it too, we already allow a form of slavery, even though it's not typically called that it's close enough for me, in the case of prison inmates and we imprison a shocking percentage of our population compared to other developed countries. And from there it's not a huge leap to deciding a previously minor crime is a now a major crime just to eliminate those who do it and get the reward of cheap meat, or making something that wasn't even a crime criminal towards the same end. (I can absolutely believe that there's politicians who would push for, for example, being a member of Antifa to be considered a serious crime and punishable by flesh-harvesting, or any number of other things. Once they're dead and eaten they can't protest you anymore, can they? And once the first proposal is made in an atmosphere where it won't be immediately rejected out of hand by everyone else, more will follow, and whichever side started it, the other side will be quick enough to follow. It'll be a new form of a war of attrition, which side's supporters can eat the other's faster?) That is why cannibalism should not be in any society's toolkit for any but civilization-ending disasters, in my opinion. It it's a matter of only a small percentage survives anyway it may not be as harmful, but otherwise it could create a very dark and dystopic path. And yes, I've spent far too much time thinking about this stuff and I'm not even sure why.
To be true I think Ian has split personality, when he gets hurt, he goes blood hungry as a defense from violence and he must have been angry after his sister left he could not control himself, I think this because of his comment on how she kept him from doing this. And if he had seizes (is that how it's spelled) How did the wastelander get his thought out of his neck.
I really wish Arefu didn't get so bothered by attacking The Family, it really threw me off when I first got the pop up saying they were now hostile towards me
Anyone else notice this quest kinda mirrors Tenpenny Tower? Ghouls are considered monsters by many humans regardless of sentience. However, if you help the Ghouls peacefully, the leader doesn't hold his end of the bargain. The Family are Cannibals. Our revulsion towards them is very understandable. But Vance is trying to help give his kind meaning in a world that despises them. Vance is a "monster" who doesn't necessarily wish to live like one. That's why Ian is there. He simply wishes to make sense of what he is and how to live in this world. Vance is definitely pretentious, but I get the sense that his motives for helping others are sincere. He also keeps his word if the Lone Wanderer helps Vance to find an alternative to killing people in order to feed. He doesn't slaughter the residents of Arefu. He even sends one of his own to help guard the place. The Ghoul Leader of Tenpenny Tower shows he really is a monster. Vance proves he isn't.
Ian still brutally murdered his parents. Even if things turned out ok between the family and Arefu, Ian should probably receive some sort of wasteland justice.
I had trouble with deciding what to do with Ian. I had doubts about the family’s intentions but he seemed better off there than all alone in the house his parents were killed in. At least with the Family he’d have someone to talk to and with the blood pack deal, he could be kept from harming anyone else in the future. The only thing that I felt conflicted about was that choosing this left him thinking his sister didn’t care about him.
The reaction to Lucy West and her response is how I think of this whole scenario, it's an after thought, it's not a good, fulfilling story. The scenario is copied from Modoc and the Ghost Farm, with a vampire coat of paint, and the resolution is unfulfilling. And, when you return to Lucy West, who begs and pleads with you to do all this for... when you return, she tells you she nearly forgot? No, this is not a good story. If the game doesn't care for the whole situation, why should I care?
[The Wonderful Adventures of Preston Garvey] SEASON 2 Recap of Season One: The Three Commonwealth factions, not including the NCR, they did fight though, defended the Commonwealth from the threat of Legate Lanius and his Legion. Third-in-command of the Legion, Charles Gannon, was kept alive with the Minutemen. Former Enclave scientist, Dr. John Dee, continued his research with the Minutemen. The Commonwealth returned to normal and stayed that way. Preston Garvey continued wandering around with the last remaining of the beloved Gunners, Gunner 2. Episode One: (The Castle) Dr. John Dee: If only we had a... Sturges: A? John Dee: If we are going to continue my research, we need to go to the C.I.T. ruins. Sturges: Theres nothing left there. John Dee: There’s a satellite that I need parts from. Sturges: What kind of satellite? John Dee: You wouldn’t understand. Sturges: Alright. Preston is going that direction if you want to go with him? John Dee: Is there anyone else? Sturges: Nope. John Dee: Fine. Where is he? Sturges: He’s at the Monument, just outside. John Dee: Great. (A monument was built in memory of the lost soldiers of the Battle for the Commonwealth, where they faced off against the Legion) Preston: Hey! John! My man! John Dee: Don’t touch me. Preston: Not my man. Okay. John Dee: So I have the coordinates of the satellite, it’s right he- (Preston and Gunner 2 are already walking away) John Dee: Do you even know where you’re going?! Preston: Everyone knows where that bomb went off. The Institute was there. John Dee: I kind of wish you had kept the Institute alive instead of those disgusting Brotherhood fools. Preston: It isn’t really like there’s a difference between them. They are both tyrants. John Dee: At least the Institute knew how to handle technology! (C.I.T. Ruins) Preston: Wait, stop. I see someone at the satellite. (There’s a man standing next to the satellite, when he attempts to even do anything with it, he disappears in blue light) John Dee: What! What was that?! Preston: Who knows? Let’s check it out! (Walks over to the satellite) Hmm. John Dee: Just don’t touch the- Preston: (Presses a few buttons and a wire) John Dee: He’s dead. For sure. Gunner 2: Preston! Be careful! Preston: (Looks at the two) Nothing is happening! John Dee: Hmm. Just back away from it and let me handle it. I don’t plan on going where that man went. Preston: Oh wait! Look, a blue wire. John Dee: Don’t touch the blue wire! Preston: (Touches the blue wire and disappears in a flash of blue) John Dee: Preston! Oh my. How are we going to get back now? Gunner 2: We could just go back to the Castle without him? We could tell the rest what happened? John Dee: And you’re going to defend us? Gunner 2: ... John Dee: Didn’t think so. This only leaves one other option. Let’s go get Preston. (Touches the blue wire and teleports away) Gunner 2: Oh man. Why? Why? Why?! (Acts frantically) I don’t know. Why! I don’t want to do this. Just do it. No. Go back to the- NEVERMIND! I’ll do it! (Gets ready to touch the blue wire) I can’t! I can. Take a deep breath. Do it for your friends. For Preston. For- (accidentally touches it and teleports away) (The group teleports into a dark room) Preston: Where are we? John Dee: Not sure yet. Gunner 2: (Teleports in) Preston: (Smiles) Glad you joined us, friend! Gunner 2: Why did I ever do this? Preston: I can’t answer that for you. (A speaker lies in the top corner of the room and they can hear faint words coming out) Speaker: (Whispering) So is that what I should say? {Yes} Are you sure? {Yes! Now do it!} Okay, okay. Ahem. YOU! LOBOTOMITE! Preston: (Looks around) Lobota what? Speaker: Lobotomite. I mean- LOBOTOMITE! Preston: I don’t know who that is. You sure you’re in the right speaker? Speaker: Am I? One moment, let me check. (Silence) {What are you talking about?! Yes you’re on the right speaker you idiot!} Don’t call me an idiot! I am one of the most intellectually intelligent beings on this planet. Who can compare? {A squirrel. A squirrel can compare.} Shut up! Anyways. Lobotomites. Welcome to Big Mou-(silence) Sorry about that. Welcome to Big Mount-(the speaker cuts out again) Preston: Well... There. We will end it. So do you like Season 2 so far? I love it already. Hope you guys enjoy it too. Have a suggestion? Leave a reply! Have a good day! :)
Cappy I just went to there today oh Cappy you're amazing ohhhhh I love those robot scientists they're so goofy also the doctor should probably like them and enjoy there company very much also since we're going NV skills science:100 speech:25 energy weapons:40 guns:20 survival:15 repair:75 sneak:20 barter:30 explosives:45 (that gonna be his main weapons explosives and energy weapons) lockpicking:15 melee weapons:7 medicine:75 unarmed:5 remember the skill he has high points in he probably studied his entire life
"My brain feels like less of a mess now... I think I may be seeing clearly for the first time in years." - Folks, Ian has finally stopped drinking, and is wearing those glasses.
Ians demeanor and story hint that he's young.but man did they pick the wrong voice to match. Dude sounds 50
B. Henry mods hes using mods
they change appearance
Nah, last I checked his vanilla face is the same
While the choice is odd, the voice actor was superb anyway. Every single character he voiced even.
Same with Wally Mack
The whole question of justice in fallout always brings me back to the end of Boondock Saints. "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principals which every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions. They are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost."
Thats not true tho. Cannibal cultures have murder as part of their faith...
Hahaha...” I’ve been saving this for an emergency.” *hands him a beer*
😂😂😂 true
I mean in a post apocalypse where are you gonna get medical grade anesthesia
The best they can do is getting slightly drunk
Based Harold
@@theodoreprovencio9097 Pretty sure what Evan meant was "if we get overrun, I might as well have one last drink". Idk, I could be wrong lmao
In a pinch, you can use booze as a disinfectant.
I purified The Family's den with my flame thrower and spent a few minutes arranging their corpses in funny poses for amusement. They were cooked, but not eaten.
Jetson George How can you just waste food like that??
You could say that they were all... expired.
Why leave all that iguana meat going to waste?
I guess they really *felt the burn*
@@anarchyantz1564 that fo1 ref
Half way through your video, once the quest was finished and you started talking about vampirism and cannibalism, when you mentioned about how the Family could've evolved a defense against the toxicity of the blood, it reminded of how modern humans became lactose tolerant. Originally humans couldn't drink milk beyond being a toddler. But about 10,000BC a mutation starting taking hold of the human race in which people could start drinking normal milk longer into their lives until eventually they could drink milk for their entire lives. That means today's lactose intolerant people are actually more closer to original humans than the lactose tolerance are. So I can drink milk so I could consider myself a mutant by Fallout's the Family mechanics of evolution.
Lora Elstad When I posted my comment I was thinking how long it’d be before someone would say that. It was a Strong reference. Lol. But then again, if lactose tolerant people are mutants and suddenly start demanding the milk of human kindness, does that makes those people super mutants without the need for FEV? 🤔
Lora Elstad Starting off with my juvenile side: Super Mutants forcing the milking process of us? Given their (lack of) intelligence, save for a small number of them, they’ll likely try to milk both men and women. Yeah somebody shoot me now. Oh and I just got a horrific vision of human milking farms now. Yeah, in the Fallout universe we humans are well and truly screwed.
On serious note: if we’re talking about your average healthy human of today just suddenly going cold turkey cannibalism, later to vampirism, then yeah I can understand how improbable it is, especially being in Washington DC the Family would very likely be descendants of a civilized family from pre-war DC. However, I’d like to think of it like this: what if the gene for lead tolerance leading to allowing the continued drinking of blood was already present but, pre-war no one did that so the gene wasn’t active? People with the gene were nothing but carriers. Then, the bombs dropped, 200 years later and 3, maybe 4 generations later and the desperation of the survivors looking for food kickstarted the gene leading to some people being able to drink blood? After all, the Family is only a small group. There’s no definitive answer as to how many people in the Fallout universe have this gene/mutation but I’ll be willing to bet it’s not the entire USA, let alone the whole planet affected. I would think that situation is perfectly plausible.
The MaskedGeek the radiation might have sped up the mutinous as well
huh....
*Gulps down a big swig of milk*
What about cheeeeeese???
The funny thing is, that scientist believes that over 65% of the population is still lactose intolerant.So you can kind of tell the other 35% developed this ability because of nutritional necessity something they weren't getting from other foods or milk;(most everyone can drink goats milk because of the low lactose).You could argue that in the Wasteland the FEV and radiation have caused a mid-level mutation in some humans to help with processing toxins and like lactose tolerance, it affects less than a majority because they have managed to find various food items, which could still cause some other mutations.
You forget about him saying he would become hungry and his sister would hold him until the hunger went away. So he was dealing with the hunger his whole life. I think the anger giving him seizures where he blacks out but I think he truly did kill them. And consider if your a cannibal you "know" to tell the guard that and he lets you in. Plus the family comes from all over the waiste's how did they gather? Maybe there is some connection they all share.
He called it the hunger only after meeting the family. The seizures would be something his sister would recognize since she saw it the day of the attack. Since her first experience of seeing this in her brother was violence she would conclude that her brother is going to become violent again and would hold him to stop him from doing any harm.
"OMG! You have to find my brother! He's all I have left!"
*Later*
"Oh, I almost forgot about it! Thanks!"
I killed them. All of them. And not just the men, but the women, and the children to. They're animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I hate them.
-Anakin Skywalker.
I'm that insane person who like Episode 1; Episode 2; and Episode 3.
Darth Fenrir489 Nooooooooo that's impossible!!!
It's treason then.
Why anakin you were the chosen one!!!
Gooooood Anakin .... Goooooooooooood
I'm fairly certain cannibals don't need to exclusively eat human flesh. It seems more like they just lose their sanity if they go too long without "feeding".
Perhaps human flesh is addictive?
Jerry McGhoulberry ive read stories that have said eating human can be addictive
KingBranden Right, because it's not eating human flesh is what makes them insane. XD
But Ian went insane and needed human flesh to eat when he was a kid and never tasted human flesh. It just snapped into him, and apparently it also happened for a great deal of the Family if not all of them. Again, there is the question of possible mutation to think about. And don't try to be logical with how mutations work...this is Fallout, the science of radioactive mutation is 100% innacurate
Could be a psychosis. Have you heard of Wendigo psychosis?
I laughed out loud when I first heard Ian's voice. One of those instances where the voice definitely doesn't match the character 😂😂😂
"We could use your help,it came out of nowhere!"-Scavenger
I thought Ian was a child
Ethan Goldsmith He's supposed to be a kid. Unfortunately, he sounds like a guy who just signed up for his AARP membership.
No, like a 5 yr old or so
Ethan Goldsmith Nah, he's supposed to be 15.
I always found the ending of this quest a bit disappointing. I was hoping there would be some way to do a bit of detective work and uncover the truth behind the death of Ian's parents. What's even more disappointing is Lucy's reaction. Now I feel that staying with the Family may be a better option for Ian, since his own sister seems to care for him so little.
Marta Tarasiuk what do you mean the truth? We know what happened to Ian's parents, he killed them.
Marta Tarasiuk that was the truth though... i mean have you seen some videos on cannibals. like the ones that arnt in a tribe
When Lucy says she "had almost forgotten about it", she means the LETTER, not her brother! She's forgotten the reason she sent the Wanderer was a dumb letter now that she knows most of her family is dead
@@shawnwolf5961 He clearly didn't. Did you ignore all the dialogue in the video or something?
She cares about her brother, she was the person stopping him from going psycho during years, which also bring a point: Ian survived YEARS without human flesh/blood. It's not a need for survival, it's a mental or psylochical sikeness, and I think putting Ian out of the psycho con in the metro might prevent him from assuming its normal, that he can't fight the hunger, that he must eat.
As for the family, I chose the killing opotion, but only after being sure that Ian was back in Areu, he hasn't embrace this sikeness, he can be saved, not the others. In fact if it is a contagious mental/physical sikeness, it's best to put an end to it, letting humans eat each other is not a good evolution path.
That said, I would have been fine with the truth ending...if I knew it was possible (yeah I missed the dialogue, dumb me)
Yeah that biological factor (and the "Since your body lacks the way to extract blood as we do" line) is why i am incline to believe the mutant theory, both with the Family and with Andale (maybe even why Andale is able to inbreed while avoiding the disorders that should come with it). Also why i do believe that Ivan does have the Hunger, if the mutation is real then Vance wouldn't be recruiting an random person with a medical problem.
But yeah i agree, it's not justice but it is the logical option for the well being of Arefu and if it is a mutation is real then it's better to have the Family (now on blood packs) alive too.
Destroy the source. The logical option is to stop the spread of mutations.
@@johnanderson3899 or you could consider the utility of a person biologically designed to prey on other people as a way to counteract raiders, slavers, hell, even other mutants like feral ghould and super mutants. Genocide really shouldnt be the go to, maybe, especially cause this mutation could be like. Idk hella useful, medically speaking.
@@giannacollins1608 and what happens when Paradise Falls and Evergreen Mills are wiped out and the BoS along with the Regulators push any remaining raiders/slavers out? The family will prey on innocent people. Eliminate them now and preserve their corpses to study this mutation, which I think is still counterproductive to humanity’s future survival. Maybe develop gene therapy to neutralize it.
@@brainconqueror8095 Lol u r just into eugenics and human suffering babey
@@giannacollins1608 using gene therapy to fix abnormal behavior such as cannibalism and hematophagia isn’t eugenics. Eugenics is about euthanizing people with “inadequate” genes. If someone has this mutation, but doesn’t give in to his urges at all, he’s no threat. These people act on their urges, which is why they should be eliminated.
I got myself evicted.
When I first played FO3 I didn’t understand how the game worked. I found Arefu before I found Megaton. I lived in the West’s house cuz it was the only place I knew of with a bed. Stored all my stuff in their closet for most of the game. When I finally found the family I made Arefu and the family allies, then went back and killed the family. I tried to go home to my / the West’s, shack but was super surprised when the people of Arefu tried to kill me. Had to move my 900 pounds of shit to a new house in several trips while avoiding getting shot. Oops.
I made a mod for that. That was the stupidest game mechanic. As if the people would not praise you for clearing out the family.
Holy shit! Finding Arefu before finding Megaton is honestly impressive lol. It’s fun hearing about stories from people playing the game in unconventional ways.
That voice actor for Ian... just... no.
Kristjan Brezovnik
Totally not what I expected...
"What do you need citizen?" -Ian the Imperial Guard
"Welcome to Best Defense!" -Ian a shopkeeper of the Imperial City
"Have you heard news from the other provinces?" -Ian the random citizen of the Empire
Voice actor is actually preatty good, but he was assign for the wrong character.
Easy there tiger I was doing my best
He is a great voice actor, just not right for that of a 15 or 16 year old.
kuru was transferred when someone who already had those prions was eaten, not just from eating any random person. it's the same as eating any other tainted meat.
Yeah, that sounded kinda funky to me
Thanks
I'm not as worried now.
acciDENTAL wow just wow
Not exactly. Prions are in everyone and they don’t do anything in small numbers but eating someone adds any prions they had to you and once you reach a critical mass of prions they start turning some of your other proteins into more prions and like Ox said prions cause a whole mess of issues including Kuru.
You may have heard of Mad Cow Disease, that is a Prion based disease too.
Honestly Ian should have had a younger voice actor. Considering his height I always thought of him more like 16-20. And his voice should portray that
@07:32, I'm surprised Vance doesn't know that in some Vampire tales, at least on Interview with a Vampire, vampires can not drink the blood of the dead.
You didn’t mention the fact that Ian took a blow to the head immediately before his first incident. He was then exposed to a high stress situation before snapping. I believe the high stress of being attacked at night may have caused the second incident with the parents.
Hmm... Thumbnail shows people eating "iguana bits on a stick"... yea sure not cannibals...
Christopher Louis TBF most people in the wasteland wouldn't know
Christopher Louis iguana bits is people
There’s a thing called “strange meat on a stick” in the game.
Christopher Louis - Have a look at another of Oxhorns vids on it ruclips.net/video/xmccrzvJcxc/видео.html Lore friendly all the way back to earlier fallouts. Think "Soylent Green for the wastelands". The question you really should be asking though is where is all the squirrel bits coming from. Have you EVER seen a squirrel in fallout? Personally I was expecting to find the "All Squirrel" but the size of a Deathclaw. Just remember to bring nuts, be they yours or others :)
Lora - Sorry, sometimes sarcasm is generally lost on the internet and in my defence it was gone 1am when I replied so probably tired lol
Once I found Lucy snuffed and laid out on the floor near Burke's shack. I think she glitched over a hand rail somewhere and fell to her death xD but I RP'd that she was killed by Burke after she turned down his advances :P
Lance Uppercut fhat happens sometimes. a character will glitch and fall to their deaths
It was the Brahmin, not Ian's parents. Evan didn't even know about the deaths. So what exactly were the town's people upset about? Not murder, but the death of their Brahmin
That essentially was murder. Take away a communities source of food and you pretty much sentence them to death.
because the West family was still in their house like everyone else. King had no idea they were dead because he was trying to make sure no raiders would attack
@@northernnightmare7986no it isn’t there’s severs food sources in fallout not only Brahmin so this seems not entirely thought out
The family had been coming by to get blood from the Brahmin and would scare the settlers to keep them inside and in a real situation killing a towns source of food and income means they have to move or die.
I do believe you missed one detail in your segment on the potential mutation of the members of The Family that adds a level of depth into the conversation regarding what they are or may be. In the first video, The Family 1, at the 14:30 mark, there is a description of the injuries to the West family parents:
"The bite marks on the neck appear to be from a human or humans with sharpened incisors or canines."
This raises the question of, do these people file or sharpen their own teeth, and are otherwise human? Are these people born with teeth already sharper or shaped differently than a normal human? I find it odd that the description in the game would mention this on the injuries, yet no visual evidence or text/dialogue with anybody in The Family mentions any sort of teeth sharpening or even as a visual indicator of somebody being one of them. It may be nothing, but I found it rather interesting nonetheless.
Was not expecting Ian to have that voice the way they were describing him as a kid
As someone who is involved with biochemistry and neurotransmitters I really liked that you included prion diseases in the ending argument against cannibalism. I can tell you did your homework so props to you. As someone who briefly studied prions I would just like to clarify a few things, mainly towards the end of my comment. Prions are diseased proteins that have, as you have said, misfolded into a more thermodynamically stable state, when something is in a stable state it usually prefers to stay that way. What is really interesting about prions is that the healthy form of the protein actually occurs naturally in our body, they are called prion precursor proteins. Our DNA is hard coded to make these precursor proteins, we know the gene that performs this function. It is also important to keep in mind that the precursor protein is SIGNIFICANTLY higher in concentration in the brain and cerebral spinal fluid(CSF). Here's how prions work in a nutshell: when a healthy form of the precursor protein comes into contact with a prion, the healthy precursor protein will be contorted into the diseased form. A big reason why they are deadly is that prions tend to aggregate and form small clusters, it is important to state that smaller oligomers of 6-8 prions have been found to have the highest neurotoxicity. This is because the smaller clusters are more easily able to squeeze themselves in between axon terminals (the space between neurotransmitter cells) and disrupt normal neuron cell functions; they are therefore considered to be more dangerous. So your body essentially provides the fuel for prions to keep on making prions from your healthy precursors until the patient dies from neurological complications. Well why not just cook the meat then? Unfortunately prions are resilient, stable, and can withstand conditions that usually cause normal proteins to denature, or lose their function(means cooking meat will not reliably destroy prions, these are tough mfkers). The cases of Kuru were bad in New Guinea because their form of funeral cannibalism included consuming brain material. Prions can get pretty serious pretty quickly if brain material is involved. A quick reminder that the precursor is SIGNIFICANTLY higher in the brain and CSF. This means this is where the prions will accumulate the most. So you can imagine the horrible positive feedback loop this produced not only from a bioaccumulation perspective but from a population perspective. You are right that Kuru was confined to New Guinea and was only found in humans BUT other animals are definitely not immune to prions and have transmitted them to humans. The first prion disease to be identified were scrapies found in goats in 1732. Other prion diseases include Mad Cow's disease in cows and subsequently Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) in humans if they consume the diseased beef and have symptoms, presumably because they used recycled cow materials as cow feed which probably had brain material. From a scientist's point of view, thank you for doing your homework on the subject! I feel like you did it justice for a general audience.
In one of my profiles I had The Family leave Arefu alone. When I happened to drop by the town one day, I heard gunshots and shouting. I made it up the bridge in enough time to see a yoa gui kill EVERYONE in the town. Soooo, it's better to give the town a guard.
Same happened to me when I chose that outcome, except it was a giant radscorpion.
Imagine getting wiped out by random wildlife and not The Family
i think that bit before the Hemotaphage that Vance says, around 22:47... i think that's from Interview with the Vampire. I think it's LeStat's monologue to Louie. it's kinda sexy to actually hear it.
Killed them all with Abes revolver. Was inspired after watching the Lincoln vampire slaying film. Do not regret it. one. damn. bit!
I assume you mean repeater as revolver were not made during Lincoln's presidency
@@niggashlong619 The first revolvers were made in the 1830's and many revolvers, like those made by Colt, were used during the American Civil War, which was during Lincoln's Presidency.
Yep wear Lincoln's hat and kill them with the Lincoln's repeater
I'd send him back to Arefu and have the family guard the place.
It's the best outcome definitely.
I left the family alive. I have always been about maximizing the amount of merchants I can trade with, keeps me from becoming a horder.
You know what really grinds my gears?
Wait! No! I didn't mean it that way, I'm totally not a synth, uhhhh
Quick Bob! They found out! Runnn
TIE Fighter I’m here!
TIE Fighter synth menace time to die
Dont worry im with the railroad. Ill keep you safe.
TIE Fighter Lets go the brotherhood is on its way "Brotherhood blasts through the wall" GO GO GO !!!!
Don't worry, I'm with the Institute, we will look after you and you will never have to worry about gears grinding again, it will feel just like a bad memory...memory...memory...
Ian is back in arefu and the town now has some new nightwalker "friends" to help them sleep at night. Best stuff all around, except Ian thinks his sister cares about him even though she evidently forgot all about him and the letter she wanted to send him. I believe the truly immoral part of this whole situation is how she forgets her own loved ones
ZBGameSlayer
I think she just forgot about sending you the letter, not her brother. Especially since she said she was involved in some busy times
@@tinaherr3856Busy Times = Drinking all day at Moriarty’s
I just want to add that in the previous episode if you have a high enough strength that you can use it to gain the passcode for ians terminal from karl the merchant.
"In war, justice is the first casualty"
I never thought to check that shack. You've discovered another secret that I didn't.
This whole quest area is probably one of the better places to get money in the base game early on. Between the sugar bombs and blood packs, you can rack up a nice stash before your barter skill is up enough to walk away with some good deals from vendors.
I am guessing the word is pronounced hemato-phage (blood eater), rather than hema-tuffage, but I could be wrong.
I thought so as well. I googled how to pronounce it before recording this video. I think I got it right.
the amount of words oxhorn pronounces incorrectly is really too high to keep track of, best to just go with it
@@oxhorn You probably didn’t though because you also mispronounced pugilism
@@leahcimolrac1477 he also mispronounced the word "heinous" in the previous episode. I don't pretend to be a linguist or anything, but...."high-ay-knee-us?!" This guy covers the lore well, but not the best narrator by any means. It's almost as if he makes no use of the almost limitless resources available these days. It never clicked to him while sounding out "heinous" that no one in the history of anything has ever described a crime as "high-ay-knee-us" and he never stopped to go, "oooooooh. 'Hey-nus!' I have heard of heinous crimes."
My mom has hemochromotosis crazy I didn't think I'd hear about it in this video she also has praphoria, the mad kings disease, which makes her alergic to the sun, so she's literally a vampire,
That moment when fallout get philosophical and oxhorn makes you question everything...
Evan King, the loot he gives you is entirely random, it could be caps, ammo, junk, food, chems anything but a weapon( and certainly not just booze). Thousands of hours of play have proven this to me.
I remember scouring all the locations where they said the family could be but I couldn’t find them, I eventually got all paranoid and annoyed but when I finally found them I went in brandishing a shotgun expecting to fight and the entire time I was on edge and when I realized I made it through without fighting and still did good I was suprised
Yeah, that's the voice of a fifteen year old boy.
When saying goodbye to Lucy, it almost sounds like she suddenly has a crush on you.
37:20 is he really making a home run
Vance looks like the lead singer of A-ha and he looks like he's about to start singing take on me.
I like that this questline makes bloodpacks from useless to useful
I had no idea Oxhorn was still making videos! I loved his machinima videos "Oxhorns short shorts". I loved Hat the turtle and everything you made. Glad to know you're still in the RUclips game ❤
T Dog well you have a ton of new videos to watch now!
The problems of cannibalism really runs rampant in the wasteland... I feel bad for the normal/non-"vampire" cannibals. They're trying to survive but they're getting seriously sick because of it.
I would agree that subsistence cannibalism is morally wrong, and that survival cannibalism is understandable but still objectionable. But, I would argue that the ritual cannibalism of the Oceanic tribes can't be condemned as morally wrong. Yes they can have consequences if done with excessive regularity as with the tribe noted in the video, but especially with endocannibalism no living individual is being preyed on for food.
Love the video and always been fascinated in this part of humanity
But do we know the origin of these practices? Did they start eating dead tribesmembers because it was a year with a food shortage and it just lasted long enough to become common practice?
Why did it become a ritual in the first place? Was it subsistence or survival that evolved?
Vance's intelligence and dismissal of the Lone Wanderer and humanity's intellect, as well as his rejection of, and illusory transcendence over humanity are possibly a reference to Hannibal's character from "The Silence of the Lambs."
"We've spent a lot of time and effort to make sure players get the best game experience out of fallout 3." -Todd Howard
*has two voice actors*
There's no way in hell that Ian wasn't the one to kill that one asshole trying to steal the Brahmin.
With the Cannibalism perk, we see that they do share a strange connection with one another. It's also a wide variety of people, with greately differing temperments - one that even Vance, while admitting he has the aptitude to change peoples mindsets, could not have gotten without extrodinary skill in manipulation. Keep in mind - he has to keep them together.
This in my mind, debunks the Seziure theory; plus that's just..not how that works. If it is a seziure, then it's a different form, one that cannot be related too strongely to a real world seziure.
Another person brought up the hunger thing, something that Ian admits to having. It COULD be psychosis, as i also saw here, but the only real way to control that in the world of Fallout is by doing what they do.
Vance is, also, a very open indiviual, and seems almost..relieved, in my eyes, that they can just drink blood from blood packs. It is possible that he slowly grew wanting more, a whole bodys worth; it could also be a simple supply and demand dillema.
You also said yourself that the speech check to go and talk to him is really easy. Perhaps he wants to open up to people more? After all, he truly does believe this is something outside of there control.
Of course, half of this is pretty strong, and half is me examining him from a theraputical side. I really wish we had more information, some things just do not add up. If he has dreams about it, im 99% certain he actually did eat his parents.
Side note, the knocking on the door is actually a vampire thing. They cannot go into someones house without express permission from the owner in some fiction, so it's probably just Vance taking that and applying it in a benifical way - if he can get in then, well - easier feeding.
But overall the best outcome is for everyone to work together, so on that, we agree.
That whole "knocking on the door thing" is ironic, in the Sims vampires can get the skill to bypass locked doors and go through a window in bat form. Vlad has no problem breaking into houses and makes himself at home.
One correction. Being infected with prions can only happen when eating the brain. Eating any other parts of the body should be fine as long as cooked properly. (This is not an endorsement of cannibalism).
I like that you had to deal with two different cannibal communities in this game, giving it a more black and white comparison. I chose to let them live on and continue to try to cope with their affliction, although I wouldn't mind killing Karl. He's a big problem waiting to happen. I wonder if my choices would have been different if the town of Andale wasn't included in the game
The town get the Family as new protectors, and the Family gets all the bloodpacks they can drink. Way I see it, from a Wasteland perspective, it's a win win all around. Makes me wish their were more quest that could end without any shootouts. Not judt in Fallout as a whole, but a lot of rpg games.
As a console gamer your mods that allow you to sprint and properly aim make me jealous. And why does the weather look so CLEAR?!
OXHORN?! how the heck are you man! I haven't watched your content since the machinimas ended. I'm glad to see you're still at it you legend. Keep it up!
at 45:50 after passing a speach check to 3 dog to give the info on where is dad you can still take the gnr quest but the reward is the key to that cell
It's weird hearing such an adult voice out of Ian, in the german version he realy sounds like a child.
But sadly the cut in violence can sometimes be game breaking
It is worthwhile to note that there are genetic variations that protect against Kuru and vCJD in our world, and that these protective genes are over-expressed in some cultures with a long history of cannibalism.
THEY MADE AN OXHORN MOD SETTLER! My god this is amazing! You reeeeeaally need to do the voice acting for it! (Fallout 4 mod Xbox one) I want a person you running around my settlements! Lolol
Ian did say they eat brahman to survive . 3:28
I remember when Kens wife Braille gave me a tin can as a cookie the first time I played this game and I had to pause it I was laughing so hard.
That woman is nuts and I love her for it.
I would’ve loved to have Vance or a family member join me as a companion for resolving this situation, but that wasn’t to be. It was fun regardless though.
Arkanep
Ken himself sarcastic bastard and love them both.
shouting and throwing bottles is a also a very good way to make people angry and come out of their homes to defend themselves, making it easy for the family members to feed without breaking in arefu's houses
"Now we need to tell Vance that arefu has accept our proposal"
-Oxhorn, 21:34
"Deal, we'll only eat the stupid ones..."
/Dr Lecter.
In my play through, I stealthily killed all the of the other members of the Family, snuck up behind Vance with my stealth suit, took out my shocksword, turned on The Game by Motorhead, stood up, and proceeded to have an epic sword fight.
just pointing out the prions that are present in consumption of human flesh that would lead to kuru are only of the brain, not of other parts of the body - and even so african tribes who practice cannibalism as a ritual to their dead have developed a resistance to kuru and neuro-degenerative disorders.
The boy has some serious psychological problems. (or maybe he really is a vampire) Either way it is best he stays with the other cannibals so they can keep an eye on him
I would have liked to send Ian to Megaton to live with Lucy. She was his best friend before, why not have them continue to be a team? The Family can still protect Arefu, the town can grow again, and the Family can feed without killing anyone.
I remember when I was 19 and I had my wisdom teeth pulled, how anyone can have a blood drinking fetish is beyond me...let's just say the taste got old REAL quick.
2 things:
1. Can you reverse-pickpocket Vance's Longcoat? (For those that want to test it for me, it's done by giving him armor with better stats - he equips the better armor and the other armor is in his inventory, no available to take)
2. I thouht Kuru was only from eating brain.
Ox, I'm curious why you said part of the best ending was to have Ian stay with the Family. If your theory about Ian having seizures is true, Vance just used the poor boy and he's not a vampire at all. Wouldn't that mean the best option would be to send him back to Arefu?
Another thing that could've happened to Evan when he was 10 is a anemia iron deficiency which explains the passing out, headache, and blurry vision as for him being feral and ripping a guys throat I don't think anemia or a stroke could explain that
I dont think it is a seizure either....I think the frenzy like condition of the so called vampire is actually a form of fugue(see Mini-DSM 5). One of the main systems is violent episodes where the subject totally blacks out and wakes up covered in blood.
I figured it was a berserker state. These were people who, when reaching a high rage level, would black out and become extremely violent. They would not feel pain and would rage until they passedout, doing massive damage to the enemy.
I choose the blood pack option with the guard it's just one of the best choices it's really the only thing that's right
Not to sound like a complete asshat, but I have just a tiny bit of a correction about Kuru, it doesn't actually propagate by eating human flesh/meat but is contracted by consuming brain tissue that has been contaminated with prions (which develop 3-10 days postmortem) thus causing brain and nervous system changes similar to Creutzfeldt-Jakob (Mad Cow)
disease. (cited in the link below)
Anyhow, I hope that I helped you in some little way and I look forward to your next Video.
I've actually been known to sit down with a Pint of ice cream and a bottle of Johnnie Walker (Double Black) whilst watching Scotch and Smokerings
medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001379.htm
Going by everything that is seen in this quest line there is the important point from your own observations, when examining the west family you notice that the bite mark is different.
I believe the right option is to keep Ian with the family and have them defend Arefu.
As he needs help for his mental condition - meditation, contemplation and guidance would help and also they understand that there is the chance that he could have a turn . after all what is the alternative? he is right about Lucy, she isn't that bothered about him - after all she forgets that he could be dead and doesn't bother trying to visit him. He would be left alone with a group of people that would have no clue as to what he is capable of.
Also I believe that the ability to change is an important factor, unlike raiders who would just carry on killing, the family agree that there is a better way.
This also works in the situation where there is no mutation, if its going to end up killing them it may as well be in a way that doesn't harm other people.
Vance is a psychic. He manipulated Ian to do so. hence his having no real memory of it, and Vance coincidentally "showing" up in the "nick of time."
i always choose to have Arefu donate Blood in return for protection, i think it's the best result and i love being able to sell Blood to Vance in return for 15 caps a pack, it's what i think is the best outcome, peaceful and beneficial to both sides.
YOU FORGET SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T TELL US IF THEY DROP A finger
This is interesting. As I recall, in my game Ian let Vance into the house. Vance killed the West's and had Ian drink their blood.
Is it me or does this fallout 3 video lacking a green tint?
tcghunter33 He might be using fellout, it's a mod that gets rid of it.
lol who doesn't remove the green tint? just like we commonly remove the orange tint in NV, it saturates everything and makes the games look like utter crap. FO4 had a problem with color correction too. Bethesda should just... knock it off already, it doesn't look good.
+Bobby Bologna Obsideon made New Vegas though.
Alyssa Ready on Bethesda’s engine
A correction about prion diseases and kuru: first of all, prions can occur naturally in any one of us at any time for an unknown reason. People are not more likely to develop them because they are cannibals. You can only get it from eating if the thing you ate had them, and that goes for any creature that can have prions, be it a cow, deer, elk, or human. Deer have been found to have them in my county, which is why I don't really recommend people making venison products from local deer right now. (Wolves, btw, cannot contract prions diseases, which makes sense because their role in the ecosystem is picking off the sick and weak, and that would certainly include animals with prion diseases. They are nature's prion cleanup crew, and we've eliminated them from most of America and Europe because we had no idea they were that important.) Also, there's less risk, though never zero, if you do not eat any of the central nervous system. The whole reason it was a problem in Great Britain was that they were grinding up the unattractive bits, including the central nervous system, and feeding it to other cows, infecting them. So even if the risk wasn't high, assuming no part of the CNS was ground into meat, it was still too prevalent. And it's not just humans- I believe some cats also got it in that outbreak, because the lower-quality meat in their food was derived from many parts all ground up, including bits of the CNS. It is now believed that the Fore people (I've only ever heard it pronounced as foray, btw, although that could be wrong as it's not exactly a term I hear regularly since college and not all that frequently in college, because prion diseases weren't the focus of any of my classes.) originally contracted the prions from a certain species of fruit bats they considered a delicacy. The disease was then spread because of their practice of funerary cannibalism, where the brain was eaten by the women and children, infecting them. The risk of spreading prion diseases in a population through cannibalism is actually fairly low unless the right, or wrong, things all come into play. That said, a prey item that every single person involved in butchering, cooking, and eating it is susceptible to any contagious disease it happens to have is obviously not ideal. Human flesh is apparently very nutritious for humans, but the disease risk offsets that. Moreover, if you allow people to start to see other people as food, that can cause issues with people getting along peacefully. People may start to kill each other on pretexts just for the easy food, or rationalize killing people they don't like as "they're more valuable as food then they are alive." Governments could start to create crimes to have a convenient way to eliminate problematic people and turn them into a benefit. Given all the stories that China already forcibly harvests and sells organs from political prisoners, if the taboo against eating human flesh was removed they could easily turn that same mechanism into a means of eliminating all resistance while feeding their people. Frankly the U.S. could do it too, we already allow a form of slavery, even though it's not typically called that it's close enough for me, in the case of prison inmates and we imprison a shocking percentage of our population compared to other developed countries. And from there it's not a huge leap to deciding a previously minor crime is a now a major crime just to eliminate those who do it and get the reward of cheap meat, or making something that wasn't even a crime criminal towards the same end. (I can absolutely believe that there's politicians who would push for, for example, being a member of Antifa to be considered a serious crime and punishable by flesh-harvesting, or any number of other things. Once they're dead and eaten they can't protest you anymore, can they? And once the first proposal is made in an atmosphere where it won't be immediately rejected out of hand by everyone else, more will follow, and whichever side started it, the other side will be quick enough to follow. It'll be a new form of a war of attrition, which side's supporters can eat the other's faster?) That is why cannibalism should not be in any society's toolkit for any but civilization-ending disasters, in my opinion. It it's a matter of only a small percentage survives anyway it may not be as harmful, but otherwise it could create a very dark and dystopic path. And yes, I've spent far too much time thinking about this stuff and I'm not even sure why.
This quest seems so incomplete. Like most of this goddamn game.
DBArtsCreators I would disagree, commie
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And you'd be wrong. As well as late as hell.
I solved the situation the first time by making Ian return to Arefu, and then I made the Family drink the bloodpacks and protect Arefu.
Vance reminds me of onision
so an aspiring cult leader
Oh no
To be true I think Ian has split personality, when he gets hurt, he goes blood hungry as a defense from violence and he must have been angry after his sister left he could not control himself, I think this because of his comment on how she kept him from doing this. And if he had seizes (is that how it's spelled) How did the wastelander get his thought out of his neck.
I really wish Arefu didn't get so bothered by attacking The Family, it really threw me off when I first got the pop up saying they were now hostile towards me
Anyone else notice this quest kinda mirrors Tenpenny Tower? Ghouls are considered monsters by many humans regardless of sentience. However, if you help the Ghouls peacefully, the leader doesn't hold his end of the bargain.
The Family are Cannibals. Our revulsion towards them is very understandable. But Vance is trying to help give his kind meaning in a world that despises them. Vance is a "monster" who doesn't necessarily wish to live like one. That's why Ian is there. He simply wishes to make sense of what he is and how to live in this world.
Vance is definitely pretentious, but I get the sense that his motives for helping others are sincere. He also keeps his word if the Lone Wanderer helps Vance to find an alternative to killing people in order to feed. He doesn't slaughter the residents of Arefu. He even sends one of his own to help guard the place.
The Ghoul Leader of Tenpenny Tower shows he really is a monster. Vance proves he isn't.
I'm surprised he didn't do the option where lucy goes back to arefu to take care of ian, I remember doing that in an old play through i had.
Ian still brutally murdered his parents. Even if things turned out ok between the family and Arefu, Ian should probably receive some sort of wasteland justice.
Oxhorn kuru is super rare, especially if you dont eat nervous tissue.
Quests like this makes me sympathize with the enclave.
I had trouble with deciding what to do with Ian. I had doubts about the family’s intentions but he seemed better off there than all alone in the house his parents were killed in. At least with the Family he’d have someone to talk to and with the blood pack deal, he could be kept from harming anyone else in the future. The only thing that I felt conflicted about was that choosing this left him thinking his sister didn’t care about him.
The reaction to Lucy West and her response is how I think of this whole scenario, it's an after thought, it's not a good, fulfilling story.
The scenario is copied from Modoc and the Ghost Farm, with a vampire coat of paint, and the resolution is unfulfilling. And, when you return to Lucy West, who begs and pleads with you to do all this for... when you return, she tells you she nearly forgot?
No, this is not a good story. If the game doesn't care for the whole situation, why should I care?
I just love that Ox has a High tec suit, but wears a normal hat.
[The Wonderful Adventures of Preston Garvey] SEASON 2
Recap of Season One: The Three Commonwealth factions, not including the NCR, they did fight though, defended the Commonwealth from the threat of Legate Lanius and his Legion. Third-in-command of the Legion, Charles Gannon, was kept alive with the Minutemen. Former Enclave scientist, Dr. John Dee, continued his research with the Minutemen. The Commonwealth returned to normal and stayed that way. Preston Garvey continued wandering around with the last remaining of the beloved Gunners, Gunner 2.
Episode One:
(The Castle)
Dr. John Dee: If only we had a...
Sturges: A?
John Dee: If we are going to continue my research, we need to go to the C.I.T. ruins.
Sturges: Theres nothing left there.
John Dee: There’s a satellite that I need parts from.
Sturges: What kind of satellite?
John Dee: You wouldn’t understand.
Sturges: Alright. Preston is going that direction if you want to go with him?
John Dee: Is there anyone else?
Sturges: Nope.
John Dee: Fine. Where is he?
Sturges: He’s at the Monument, just outside.
John Dee: Great.
(A monument was built in memory of the lost soldiers of the Battle for the Commonwealth, where they faced off against the Legion)
Preston: Hey! John! My man!
John Dee: Don’t touch me.
Preston: Not my man. Okay.
John Dee: So I have the coordinates of the satellite, it’s right he-
(Preston and Gunner 2 are already walking away)
John Dee: Do you even know where you’re going?!
Preston: Everyone knows where that bomb went off. The Institute was there.
John Dee: I kind of wish you had kept the Institute alive instead of those disgusting Brotherhood fools.
Preston: It isn’t really like there’s a difference between them. They are both tyrants.
John Dee: At least the Institute knew how to handle technology!
(C.I.T. Ruins)
Preston: Wait, stop. I see someone at the satellite.
(There’s a man standing next to the satellite, when he attempts to even do anything with it, he disappears in blue light)
John Dee: What! What was that?!
Preston: Who knows? Let’s check it out! (Walks over to the satellite) Hmm.
John Dee: Just don’t touch the-
Preston: (Presses a few buttons and a wire)
John Dee: He’s dead. For sure.
Gunner 2: Preston! Be careful!
Preston: (Looks at the two) Nothing is happening!
John Dee: Hmm. Just back away from it and let me handle it. I don’t plan on going where that man went.
Preston: Oh wait! Look, a blue wire.
John Dee: Don’t touch the blue wire!
Preston: (Touches the blue wire and disappears in a flash of blue)
John Dee: Preston! Oh my. How are we going to get back now?
Gunner 2: We could just go back to the Castle without him? We could tell the rest what happened?
John Dee: And you’re going to defend us?
Gunner 2: ...
John Dee: Didn’t think so. This only leaves one other option. Let’s go get Preston. (Touches the blue wire and teleports away)
Gunner 2: Oh man. Why? Why? Why?! (Acts frantically) I don’t know. Why! I don’t want to do this. Just do it. No. Go back to the- NEVERMIND! I’ll do it! (Gets ready to touch the blue wire) I can’t! I can. Take a deep breath. Do it for your friends. For Preston. For- (accidentally touches it and teleports away)
(The group teleports into a dark room)
Preston: Where are we?
John Dee: Not sure yet.
Gunner 2: (Teleports in)
Preston: (Smiles) Glad you joined us, friend!
Gunner 2: Why did I ever do this?
Preston: I can’t answer that for you.
(A speaker lies in the top corner of the room and they can hear faint words coming out)
Speaker: (Whispering) So is that what I should say? {Yes} Are you sure? {Yes! Now do it!} Okay, okay. Ahem. YOU! LOBOTOMITE!
Preston: (Looks around) Lobota what?
Speaker: Lobotomite. I mean- LOBOTOMITE!
Preston: I don’t know who that is. You sure you’re in the right speaker?
Speaker: Am I? One moment, let me check. (Silence) {What are you talking about?! Yes you’re on the right speaker you idiot!} Don’t call me an idiot! I am one of the most intellectually intelligent beings on this planet. Who can compare? {A squirrel. A squirrel can compare.} Shut up!
Anyways. Lobotomites. Welcome to Big Mou-(silence) Sorry about that. Welcome to Big Mount-(the speaker cuts out again)
Preston: Well...
There. We will end it. So do you like Season 2 so far? I love it already. Hope you guys enjoy it too. Have a suggestion? Leave a reply! Have a good day! :)
meh
Vargr Helsing
Meh
Cappy I just went to there today oh Cappy you're amazing ohhhhh I love those robot scientists they're so goofy also the doctor should probably like them and enjoy there company very much also since we're going NV
skills
science:100
speech:25
energy weapons:40
guns:20
survival:15
repair:75
sneak:20
barter:30
explosives:45
(that gonna be his main weapons explosives and energy weapons)
lockpicking:15
melee weapons:7
medicine:75
unarmed:5
remember the skill he has high points in he probably studied his entire life
amit gabay
Well, sorry to say, but it won’t actually be Big Mountain. You’ll see what it is. ;)
Oh YES... Please keep it going this is AWESOME!
Interesting theory, but Ian did explained that when he hunger takes hold of him, he *wants* to feed on his parents bodies.
Too much Bloodborne I bet
"My brain feels like less of a mess now... I think I may be seeing clearly for the first time in years." - Folks, Ian has finally stopped drinking, and is wearing those glasses.