The bomb was described in details to show that although meruem was understimating the human race, all it took was a low-budget bomb thats common among leaders to take him down, its rather poetic.
Also the contrast between netero with his lifelong dedication and the kings perfect talent trough evolution, to a cheaply made underhanded mass destruction weapon really lets me think about who really is the villain.
true, plus i'm just gonna add this here since they never mention it, but they hint at it and it's important for the story. The bomb wasn't just a regular bomb, it was canonically a nuke, with radioactive fallout and a whole lotta radiation. It's such an important detail but a lot of people miss it because it's not ever straight out said to them.
@@unorevers7160 Meruem and Netero are both examples of individual strength (despite Meruem's claims otherwise). Knowledge, technology, and scientific reasoning are the ultimate example of communal and generational strength. Three hundred thousand years of human evolution, discovery, and advancement.
Everyone mention that, but as far as i can tell it doesn't demonstrate anything. Maybe It was completely casual and Togashi never even did it on purpouse. It's not a strong coincidence since the odds are 50% and 50%.
@@thetruesquad5059 Gon and Killua were trying to get the ball from Netero during the hunter arc. Killua kicked Netero's leg and Gon targetted his arm at point. Those were his weaknesses that Meruem had targeted throughout the fight. Gon Killua and Meruem are cut from the same cloth. They are talented and strong.
@@thetruesquad5059 Pretty much means that Netero had a subconscious bias which Meruem likely picked up on. May have been coincidental but I doubt it. Meruem saw the ever so slight bias in Netero's movements, and thus was able to punish him for it
To think that Netero's last trump card against Meruem wasn't something that is created by Nen, but it is something that all humans today fear and that it is something that any normal human can make. Humans in nature make the most God forbidden things on Earth. This also reminds me of that final battle in Parasyte: The Maxim.
It's cool that it reminds you of Parasyte because the main inspiration for Togashi to write this arcs of mutant alien ants was Parasyte. Very adequate.
El nen es mucho mas original y fuerte que una bomba atómica, me da la impresión que la bomba fue solo una forma de ironizar con respecto a las dictaduras, después en el manga se ve que el Nen puede ser mucho mas complejo, que lo mostrado hasta este episodio
@@eladiobardelli3001menos alluka, que no se sabe lo que es ni si es “nen”, una bomba atómica es bastante más fuerte y destructivo que nen, ya que produce muchísimo más fuerza para matar miles en un segundo. eso en casi todos los casos no se hace con nen
@@eladiobardelli3001No estoy seguro sobre eso de que es más "complejo". ¿Qué entendemos por complejo? Porque el NEN no existe en la realidad, las bombas atómicas sí: y son bastante, bastante complejas. Al final el NEN de un usuario ha podido ser perfeccionado a lo largo de su vida (en el caso de un humano, a lo mucho, 100 y pocos años), mientras que la bomba atómica es fruto de la evolución y avances científicos de la humanidad a o largo de miles de años. De tener que elegir, diría que la bomba es más compleja.
Meruem treat this fight like Gungi game without realizing that the opponent player could just flip the board and shoot you with a gun then take all the credits lol I remember hearing this words from YT channel The Normies
I think it’s always been a nice touch that no matter how talented or gifted you are, technology still folds you. Which pretty much shows that meruems whole superiority complex is build on nothing since if Netero failed they’d just nuke this whole country
You've seen the other comment saying in the Manga it was Malice instead of Evolution in the line "Humanity's infinite potential for Evolution." in japanese manga usually has Furigana which is a reading guide on how to pronounce Kanji character, which is done by having the Kana (hiragana or katakana) next to the Kanji. So in the manga for this scene had Netero said 悪意 and normally 悪意 would be pronounce as akui (あくい) and the furigana would have akui in kana next to the kanji but instead of that Togashi had put in the Kanji for evolution, 進化 (shinka). This obviously only works in text so the anime just had evolution (which is what was pronounced).
I've read this before. There's plenty of people (in the past myself included) misunderstanding the correct meaning of that word or Kanji, because at this point is a meme. But great job at explaining so many people, like myself in the past, who doesn't have any or much idea of the intricate Japanese writing system can get a clear picture of the meaning of this phrase. Or double meaning in this case.
I am Japanese. In Japanese manga, this scene is represented as a reading of the kanji meaning evolution next to the kanji meaning malice. This could not be expressed in the anime, so it seems to be translated only as evolution. I think many of us Japanese find in this expression a part of the wonderful expression of this work. I am one of them. The weapons we create for war are an evolution born of human malice, and Meruem, who was only a little older than a month old, was so superior that he was born with the awareness and pride of being the king to whom the entire species was entrusted. But Netero may have been the last to tell him that Meruem was not above human malice and evolution. *This information is provided by translation software.
What I love about that last scene is how, in an arc that has been repeatedly making a point of terror as a result of experiencing extremely powerful and malicious Aura, the greatest moment of fear is experienced by the character with the strongest Aura from a character who at that point had no Aura left at all, it was Netero's pure will and words that terrified Meruem.
YES, it was incredible that althought the visual representation makes us think that Netero is overflowing with dark aura, is just a choice by the author to represent malice intent or forebonding.
Always crazy to me how Meruem, an ant, treats the fight like a fun, self-entertaining game, and Netero, the human, is fighting to show the might of his race, his colony. The role reversal is part of what makes this fight so cool to me
I would say that both share both feelings, Netero says that he is also having fun as well, and Meruem clearly was trying to prove a point in regards to his Chimera Ant heritage.
But the plottwist is that Netero was ultimately playing for his own amusement. He could've just activated the bomb in other ways, but he wanted to fight the King for his selfish reasons. It was an ego thing but yeah Meruem found out at the end he was being the one being toyed with.
Lindsay’s line of “enhancing his own heart” is so freakin good. Hxh has been one of my favorite anime for years and hearing that makes me look at Netero’s power so differently. Because they mentioned the fact that when he had sensed that he had reached the limits of both his body and technique when he went into the mountains. Which is why spending years focusing on the emotions of gratitude for martial arts increased his power. And which also explains why he lost so much of his power as he got older. He contemplates when he stopped feeling grateful to his opponents. This loss of emotions for them explains why at the beginning of the arc when he was with Morel and Knov he said he was on the same level as them. It wasn’t until he met an opponent that helped him feel those emotions again did he regain the power he had lost.
he had to trap him in the hole, many thing could have gone wrong, without Komugi, he might not have been able to activate the bomb in a restricted area, which mean the king might have escape, second thing that could go wrong, the King survive the bomb just like he did, but pitou is able to cure the poison, 3rd thing that could have go wrong, Meruem have an hatsu that allow him to easilly escape or maybe he already eat pouf and can see clearly the trap with his spiritual message.
@@BucsFanO22 because he said it was checkmate from the beginning but it was far from it, it was only checkmate from the moment the battle started, but only from a viewer perspective, Netero had no way to know meruem didn't had anything to escape it
Best fight in anime, period. Lindsey was overwhelmed and shocked by the end, I get that. The first time it can left you speechless. Also, you are completly right about the editing not getting enough credit in this one. It's sublime and I have to concede it's the true protagonist of this episode. Every other production value is top tier but the editor/s putted everything together in a masterfully way.
This end of the episode is very reminiscent of a famous poem (which became a song) in Brazil called "The Rose of Hiroshima", and it is very interesting how Togashi used this in Hunter x Hunter as a clear reference to the bomb looking like a rose blooming, despite that many associate more with a mushroom - when it throws up the cloud of dust.
This fight is my favorite from the whole show to me its definitely peak everything from the directing, dialogue, animation, music,and how it shows both perspectives one of the best fights in anime I've seen in my time watching anime for a while this fight will always remember me of Hxh even though the Gon fight is memorable this one forsure will always stand out to me amazing episode and reaction.
Fun fact: in the manga, Netero's final words were a bit different. Instead of "you know nothing of humanity's potential for evolution", he said "you know nothing of humanity's potential for malice". And the bomb used is proof of this, as it grants an incredibly painful death and is extremely cheap to make, so it's basically "trash"
This is the same as the manga, the difference is that the manga being print was able to alter the statement to reflect the meaning of evolution and malice. When you have someone speaking that doesn't work but someone fluent would pick up on world play.
Specifically both malice and evolution is used in the manga. as in the way it's written was "Malice" but had a reading guide saying to pronounce it as evolution
I am SO TIRED of seeing this everywhere, from pretentious know it all people. Its BOTH evolution and malice, just like the person above me said. The reason as to why Togashi did this, is because NATURE has both evolution and malice, Survival of the fittest. And there is nothing more terrifying than intelligent species to the level of humans. Seriously, I doubt people even understand Hunter x Hunter in general. After years of HxH I believe only small percentage understands the writing of HxH in general, especially the Ant arc.
@@stanmarsh4566 Holy shit, you are so smart! Did you know that 99% of us here dont have a PHD in hxh lore and just want to know some cool facts? Maybe chill a bit with people sharing this cool fact, you are going to see it in just about every reaction video and none of us want post an entire Wikipedia article about it ^^
humans have infinite capacity for malice or evil, and right after that comes the bomb, which was created to exterminate humans in large quantities with extremely low cost and easy access.
Given the play on words of Malice and Evolution in Japanese, a better translation for Netero's line would have been "No idea of the boundless malice behind human evolution".
When you consider the significance of nuclear weapons in Japan, it's really something how the pinnacles of individual strength, Netero's decades of training and Meruem's natural power, were both absolutely nothing in the face of a cheap, mass produced bomb.
This is why Netero and Meruem are at the top of my favorite HxH characters. Their narrative importance and the way the fight itself tied into the themes of this arc was just phenomenal.
for me this fight it's one the best that I ever seen in a anime, it's awesome, this fight it's great not only for the good animation or movements, the construccion to get to this moment it is very well done, the background, the message that give, the importance of the battle for the characters, and the end, it's insane, I really love it
That train of thought the kind had about domesticating humans is very human like. Just like how we do it to animals and other nations. We’re not any better than the king in that aspect.
At 8:05 it looks like Netero is quite shocked at just losing a leg. Meruem tells him to close his wound but it *looks* like Netero is still a little too shocked to immediately take action against blood loss, so Meruem ask him "why are you not stopping the bleeding?" In reality Netero is feigning a state of surprise so he can intentionally lose some blood in order for his heart to stop beating faster once he needs to activate the miniature rose...Well Netero really was surprised, I think, but the inaction against his wound served as a sort of combative double entandre. The premise of this fight was interesting to me because Netero easily could've utilized Knov's portal ability to swap him out of the fight and immediately sub a nuke in. 10 nukes if he wanted. But as Netero stated he wanted to fight an opponent with the strength to defeat him. But not just fight him... I think if Netero ever found someone who could defeat him then he would forfeit his life. Maybe that's one of the conditions for his 100-type guanyin bodhisattva? Maybe another condition for it was to get the enemy to agree to the terms of the fight, the enemy must agree to defeat him without killing him? It's fun to speculate on that but anyways I think Netero is like Komugi in that regard. Their life is forfeit once they've been defeated.
hxh for me it is the best anime of all time, i like it so much how the story always can get a unespected way, even also different of the most comum plots of other animes, there is no plot twist here, just an realistic and unespected kind of view, that we cant know when the things ll happens and how it happens too, but always the story telling give us the best experience, with the best perspective that we could got of the trame, writting's master piece
One thing about Netero's shirt and the heart thing The shirt literally says "心", which means "heart" in both kanji and Chinese. Also Netero is the grand master of "心源流"(Shingen-ryū), which means Style That Originates From The Heart. Biscuit and Wing are also from Shingen-ryū
I really hope Togashi got his health back and continue this amazing masterpiece anime. HxH will be always one of my favorite anime because their are lot of things we can relate in this anime n i don't know how to express in word it brings out the best reality we living in this world that we can relate in this anime🔥🔥🔥🔥
Imagine trying to sell this to a video production company: "The big bad of the arc will not even interact with the main characters, and will be killed by nuke."
People like to goof about how in worlds that use fantasy power systems but seem to have at least some level of modern technology like Naruto or Harry Potter, fights may go quite differently if some of the characters would just bring a gun along. Netero basically took that advice to heart but just skipped straight to tactical nukes.
The sheer sickening thought that Meruem was this strong after only be alive for 40 days. Barely even touched on aura or nen, just raw power and playing board games
Netero says he wasn't alone because he had all human evolution with him. He transforms into the monster and Meruem becomes the human, an exchange of roles takes place. Absolute cinema
I might be misremembering parts of this, but i the manga the kanji used by Netero when talking about humanity's potential to Meruem, it could be read as both 'evolution' and 'malice'. So, yes, while the Ants can make a culmination of nature's evolution, they could never expect humans to be so petty as to develop a weapon capable of mass extinction with little to no restrictions tied to it.
You are right. In the Japanese manga, it is described as malice in large letters and evolution in ruby. I can't help but think that knowing this would change the interpretation.
What I really really like about this, and how it changes the perception of all the previous episodes on rewatch - is that Netero won upon landing in the palace. That was it, he already had checkmate. The whole operation of separating the Guard from Meruem so they can get away was done to sacrifice as little as possible. If Netero were killed in the palace, he would've blown up everyone including all the hypnotized civilians in front of the palace. That, and his desire to fight Meruem and see if he can win as his life's final act. But it's just so insane to think about the fact it was literally over the moment Netero came *close* to Meruem.
The sheer devastation of Zero Hand is even more disconcerting when you remember that as an emissive ability, it’s already lost 50% of the cost/benefit due to the weakening of aura separated from the body 😅
idk if they talk about this but netero loses the hand and leg that he wasnt using against gon and killua in the ball game. that was his bias that let the king win. netero always gave himself a handicap of those two limbs that it became the problem in a real fight.
This fight and this moment is fantastic because it shows how meruem wasnt as major of a threat as we the audience thought. Netero actually says "you understand nothing of the infinite potential for human EVIL" showing how compared to how terrible we can be he was just a baby with childish plans. And the fact that this moment was shown to us through a shonen anime, leaving us with zero expectations for a nuclear bomb is what makes this one of the greatest anime fights and moments, it literally used the medium itself to trick us into a false sense of worry.
This is still one of the best fights ever i agree. still every time i watch this fight i think to myself "ok but what if Netero got a heart attack in a shopping mall or something".
the manga had it both malice and evolution it had the benefit of using furigana. basically the sentence had malice, but the furigana (reading guide) says to pronounce it as evolution.
What? netero lost his arm? that never happened before? literally gon last arc, and Hisoka in the Heaven's Arena.. and the guy that bump on hisoka during the hunter exam.. I'm pretty sure no one would lose a limb ever again..lol
This is the kind of thing that even animations or well choreography fight cant achieve. You can throw the best animations out there, or create the best well choreography fight. Its still wont beat the dialogue, metaphor, and feeling. Yes the animations in this episode is still amazing, but you know what i mean.. with the kind of seasonal animation these days. Its just only HxH can do that, ive seen JJK trying so hard to do something similar, even Bleach and Naruto have tried it in their early days. And they failed in my opinion. Glad that Bleach and Naruto find their own formula, while JJK.. i still dont think so.
JJK’s human moments kinda always fail to land for me. But I’ve also realized that I find ‘pure’ battle shounen to be really boring tbh. Fights being a way of developing (or being secondary to) characters and their motives is always more gratifying but it must just be really challenging to do for how rare it is.
@@Horneto12 I can see how JJK's power system would be a step up in that regard but I still find it pretty unsatisfying. I do have some particular/overly strong opinions on this topic though which definitely influence my judgement, so I'm not trying to speak for everyone or what everyone should inclined to appreciate in things like this, but it just strikes me as being pretty ad hoc and arbitrary (and thus pretty inelegant). Like people just sort of being able to do things (due to inheriting cursed techniques or whatever) and those things never really having to meaningfully engage with what other people can do, etc, gives it a sense of unreality for me not unlike the more 'artificial' feeling power system of something like MHA where people are just born with certain specific powers and limitations for more or less completely unspecified reasons. Which if a system is a common unifying field or logic that can being everything together, actually makes the whole thing feel decidedly 'unsystematic' to me. HxH definitely has an element of that where people can do these highly specific contextual things, but that's all built up from a common unifying logic of people discovering their basic temperament or dispositions, and deliberately or rationally constructing a power for themselves via working out acceptable conditions and limitations to make the most out of whatever they have and their own personal biases. It not only feels more 'realistic' by factoring in all of those possible considerations, it also can be used to do a ton of character work. Obviously HxH is sort of in its own category, though. But where something like JJK seems to divert from HxH all seem to be choices that are decidedly less inspired, to me. I want to reiterate that I have some unusually strong opinions on this topic, though. For the past few years I've been working on my own power system to address all of the things I find most power systems are lacking (an aforementioned sense of 'realism' vs it just enabling you to do 'cool things' [or how I'd see such a thing anyways, lol]), tying it into broader considerations like the metaphysics of the world or how people understand questions of reality, etc. So since I'm so motivated to make really specific decisions in my own personal project that must also be reflected in how (perhaps unnecessarily) critical I am in how other people might decide to do things lol...
@@mb7626 i dont get it, what is human moments tho? I still find shounen battle entertaining if it done right tbh, for me Bleach is too predictable with the way how the fight going, just like DB maybe. Honestly JJK and Kny too. Only Naruto, FMAB, HxH and Mob Psycho that can make a shounen battle entertaining. The stake is high, unpredictable, fluid and its not just power ups here and there.
@@Horneto12 i find the power system really trying so hard to be Nen. They act like its some kind of complex power system while i find it work like chakra, very flexible with how they utilize it. And the fight.. with how narrator talk, is like HxH thats true. But not as clever, its just i find it unoriginal and not creative. So generic.
There is another sub version that people consider more accurate. Instead of "human's infinite potential for evolution" it says "human's infinite potential for malice" which makes more sense considering the poor man's rose explanation at the end 🌹
It's not more accurate. There's a double meaning in the manga using kanji and furigana that can't be easily translated or conveyed in the anime. But in the anime, he literally says Shinka, which means evolution and, in my opinion, fits better with the idea of evolving to be at the top of the food chain conveyed throughout the arc. The nuclear weapons, of course, represent the malice driving that evolution to dominate not only other species but other human groups as well.
In french that was translated as "infinite possibility of evil" , something like that. Another previous foreshadowing : Netero said someone should be sacrified when they were planning the attack, so long long ago, but we didnt think he would sacrifice himself at the time
@@chrollo114 et ce qui a de plus incroyable dans tout ça, c'est que les utilisateurs de Nen les plus puissants se sont fait buter par une arme humaine sans aucun Nen dedans. Dans ma tête ce qui n'avait pas de Nen était inoffensif, et en fait non 😅
I always loved how Netero "wins" this fight by basically appealing to his own, and humanity's, worst nature. You could make an argument that Netero accepted this mission for humanity's future, and I'm sure Netero thought about it. But during the fight Netero makes it clear that ultimately he's just doing it for his own satisfaction: he loves fighting and this will be the best fight of his life. And that same part of him that loves the idea of being challenged yet also, maybe paradoxically, absolutely hates to lose. So the nuclear bomb is a last spiteful "you didn't win" from the old devil.
Often overlooked is that it was human malice/evolution that saved the human race. Because humanity has no true king, instead a bunch of indivuduals that chase the position of king, humanity evolved through malice. The evil we inflict upon ourself, what if we influcted it upon an intruder, and enemy? In the end Meruem was the king of his species, but could not stack up to the sum total of humanity's archievements born out of our capacity for malice.
Nope. Unless it's proven in the manga we have seen no one who is stronger than meruem. He is the strongest character to this date excluding Alluka because she is just an exception tbf
I love how this arc always ask the question about the ants as monsters. are they monsters or have some humanity? in the end the top monster vs the top human fight but the former wins. however humanity is the worst monster. The best human lose but the worst monster win.
I'm pretty sure Netero said he is 50% at full strength because of old age. So that means there characters stronger than old netero. Tbh..... Ging, pariston, sylvia and Chrollo are probably stronger than Old Netero. Probably.....
It would have been really awkward if Meruem had killed Netero and Zeno back at the start of the battle when he walked between them. If he'd killed netero then thousands of people in the palace grounds and all the characters in the battle would have just gotten nuked.
The bomb is probably a thousand of times more powerful than Netero's Zero Hand. No matter how strong nen users are, they're still nothing compared to a small nuke. Of course not all of it will directly target the king so it's not a very efficient use of that much energy. So maybe the King has a shot! But the King certainly seemed to think he was fucked.
FASTEST CHARACTERS IN HXH 1. Mereum (mereum was jumping from pillar to pillar, while netero was just using his arms, yet he still able to outspeed netero) 2. Netero (this one is objectable since he was just moving his arms) 3. Killua (once he activate God Speed) 4. Will be revealed after a few episode (Spoiler) 5. Cheetu 6. Feitan
In this episode, Mereum LITERALLY states that Neteros praying movement, and I quote: "Far surpasses my speed". And then the rest of Netero movements are about equal to Mereums. So no, Mereum is not the fastest, Netero is.
@@maxdrags3115 You do realize that the praying movement was just the arms right? and mereum was still able to outspeed netero before he was able to do a prayer stance. so basically mereum is faster.
The bomb was described in details to show that although meruem was understimating the human race, all it took was a low-budget bomb thats common among leaders to take him down, its rather poetic.
yeah, the ants had no choice from the beginning
Also the contrast between netero with his lifelong dedication and the kings perfect talent trough evolution, to a cheaply made underhanded mass destruction weapon really lets me think about who really is the villain.
true, plus i'm just gonna add this here since they never mention it, but they hint at it and it's important for the story.
The bomb wasn't just a regular bomb, it was canonically a nuke, with radioactive fallout and a whole lotta radiation. It's such an important detail but a lot of people miss it because it's not ever straight out said to them.
@@unorevers7160 Meruem and Netero are both examples of individual strength (despite Meruem's claims otherwise). Knowledge, technology, and scientific reasoning are the ultimate example of communal and generational strength. Three hundred thousand years of human evolution, discovery, and advancement.
@@leandrodiaz5433 that's not true, but they had to play by the human rules
Meruem : Tell me my name.
Netero : 🙏☝️🤘🤛🤲🤞👌🫸🫷👋🖐🤚🤌👏🤜🙏🤛👈🙏🙌🙏👈🙏✌️🙏🤏🫱🙌🖐🤜✊️🫷🫴✋️
"You believe I cannot pray with a single arm?"
Always gives me chills.
Orar es pensar y el pensamiento humano es infinito
This is why Netero said a couple of chapters back that he couldnt see succes unless somebody is sacrificed. And it ended up being him, amazing writing
Yes, the arc is amazing upon rewatch. That line stuck to me.
Note that the arm and leg that Netero lost he used in the ball game against Gon and Killua. Trained his weak points, which Meruem saw in battle.
i was gonna say the same thing but didn't know how... grat comment!
Everyone mention that, but as far as i can tell it doesn't demonstrate anything. Maybe It was completely casual and Togashi never even did it on purpouse. It's not a strong coincidence since the odds are 50% and 50%.
Sorry what? What does this comment even mean
@@thetruesquad5059 Gon and Killua were trying to get the ball from Netero during the hunter arc. Killua kicked Netero's leg and Gon targetted his arm at point. Those were his weaknesses that Meruem had targeted throughout the fight. Gon Killua and Meruem are cut from the same cloth. They are talented and strong.
@@thetruesquad5059 Pretty much means that Netero had a subconscious bias which Meruem likely picked up on. May have been coincidental but I doubt it. Meruem saw the ever so slight bias in Netero's movements, and thus was able to punish him for it
To think that Netero's last trump card against Meruem wasn't something that is created by Nen, but it is something that all humans today fear and that it is something that any normal human can make. Humans in nature make the most God forbidden things on Earth. This also reminds me of that final battle in Parasyte: The Maxim.
It's cool that it reminds you of Parasyte because the main inspiration for Togashi to write this arcs of mutant alien ants was Parasyte. Very adequate.
El nen es mucho mas original y fuerte que una bomba atómica, me da la impresión que la bomba fue solo una forma de ironizar con respecto a las dictaduras, después en el manga se ve que el Nen puede ser mucho mas complejo, que lo mostrado hasta este episodio
@@eladiobardelli3001 Complejo si, pero mas fuerte??
@@eladiobardelli3001menos alluka, que no se sabe lo que es ni si es “nen”, una bomba atómica es bastante más fuerte y destructivo que nen, ya que produce muchísimo más fuerza para matar miles en un segundo. eso en casi todos los casos no se hace con nen
@@eladiobardelli3001No estoy seguro sobre eso de que es más "complejo". ¿Qué entendemos por complejo? Porque el NEN no existe en la realidad, las bombas atómicas sí: y son bastante, bastante complejas. Al final el NEN de un usuario ha podido ser perfeccionado a lo largo de su vida (en el caso de un humano, a lo mucho, 100 y pocos años), mientras que la bomba atómica es fruto de la evolución y avances científicos de la humanidad a o largo de miles de años. De tener que elegir, diría que la bomba es más compleja.
Meruem treat this fight like Gungi game without realizing that the opponent player could just flip the board and shoot you with a gun then take all the credits lol
I remember hearing this words from YT channel The Normies
Nen is like rock, paper, scissors. Unfortunately for Meruem, Netero was playing rock, paper, scissors, nuke.
I think it’s always been a nice touch that no matter how talented or gifted you are, technology still folds you. Which pretty much shows that meruems whole superiority complex is build on nothing since if Netero failed they’d just nuke this whole country
lmao
Made me chuckle, thanks
best description of the fight lmao
Hey thats unfair 😂
I love how netero's words about infinite possibility of human evolution can also be translated as "infinite possibility of human evil"
You've seen the other comment saying in the Manga it was Malice instead of Evolution in the line "Humanity's infinite potential for Evolution."
in japanese manga usually has Furigana which is a reading guide on how to pronounce Kanji character, which is done by having the Kana (hiragana or katakana) next to the Kanji.
So in the manga for this scene had Netero said 悪意 and normally 悪意 would be pronounce as akui (あくい) and the furigana would have akui in kana next to the kanji but instead of that Togashi had put in the Kanji for evolution, 進化 (shinka).
This obviously only works in text so the anime just had evolution (which is what was pronounced).
I've read this before. There's plenty of people (in the past myself included) misunderstanding the correct meaning of that word or Kanji, because at this point is a meme.
But great job at explaining so many people, like myself in the past, who doesn't have any or much idea of the intricate Japanese writing system can get a clear picture of the meaning of this phrase. Or double meaning in this case.
it depend on the traduction, french sub have Malice, personally i would have write malice/evolution
I am Japanese.
In Japanese manga, this scene is represented as a reading of the kanji meaning evolution next to the kanji meaning malice.
This could not be expressed in the anime, so it seems to be translated only as evolution.
I think many of us Japanese find in this expression a part of the wonderful expression of this work.
I am one of them.
The weapons we create for war are an evolution born of human malice, and Meruem, who was only a little older than a month old, was so superior that he was born with the awareness and pride of being the king to whom the entire species was entrusted.
But Netero may have been the last to tell him that Meruem was not above human malice and evolution.
*This information is provided by translation software.
What I love about that last scene is how, in an arc that has been repeatedly making a point of terror as a result of experiencing extremely powerful and malicious Aura, the greatest moment of fear is experienced by the character with the strongest Aura from a character who at that point had no Aura left at all, it was Netero's pure will and words that terrified Meruem.
YES, it was incredible that althought the visual representation makes us think that Netero is overflowing with dark aura, is just a choice by the author to represent malice intent or forebonding.
Always crazy to me how Meruem, an ant, treats the fight like a fun, self-entertaining game, and Netero, the human, is fighting to show the might of his race, his colony. The role reversal is part of what makes this fight so cool to me
I would say that both share both feelings, Netero says that he is also having fun as well, and Meruem clearly was trying to prove a point in regards to his Chimera Ant heritage.
But the plottwist is that Netero was ultimately playing for his own amusement.
He could've just activated the bomb in other ways, but he wanted to fight the King for his selfish reasons. It was an ego thing but yeah Meruem found out at the end he was being the one being toyed with.
Lindsay’s line of “enhancing his own heart” is so freakin good. Hxh has been one of my favorite anime for years and hearing that makes me look at Netero’s power so differently.
Because they mentioned the fact that when he had sensed that he had reached the limits of both his body and technique when he went into the mountains. Which is why spending years focusing on the emotions of gratitude for martial arts increased his power. And which also explains why he lost so much of his power as he got older. He contemplates when he stopped feeling grateful to his opponents. This loss of emotions for them explains why at the beginning of the arc when he was with Morel and Knov he said he was on the same level as them. It wasn’t until he met an opponent that helped him feel those emotions again did he regain the power he had lost.
people often ask "why didn't Netero bring more Hunters!!", this is why LOL. the mission was checkmate from the beginning.
he had to trap him in the hole, many thing could have gone wrong, without Komugi, he might not have been able to activate the bomb in a restricted area, which mean the king might have escape, second thing that could go wrong, the King survive the bomb just like he did, but pitou is able to cure the poison, 3rd thing that could have go wrong, Meruem have an hatsu that allow him to easilly escape or maybe he already eat pouf and can see clearly the trap with his spiritual message.
@@gizel4376 How is this in response to the op? None of what you said is relevant.
@@BucsFanO22 because he said it was checkmate from the beginning but it was far from it, it was only checkmate from the moment the battle started, but only from a viewer perspective, Netero had no way to know meruem didn't had anything to escape it
@@gizel4376 That's a long winded way of saying it was checkmate from the very beginning..
Best fight in anime, period.
Lindsey was overwhelmed and shocked by the end, I get that. The first time it can left you speechless.
Also, you are completly right about the editing not getting enough credit in this one. It's sublime and I have to concede it's the true protagonist of this episode. Every other production value is top tier but the editor/s putted everything together in a masterfully way.
This end of the episode is very reminiscent of a famous poem (which became a song) in Brazil called "The Rose of Hiroshima", and it is very interesting how Togashi used this in Hunter x Hunter as a clear reference to the bomb looking like a rose blooming, despite that many associate more with a mushroom - when it throws up the cloud of dust.
This fight is my favorite from the whole show to me its definitely peak everything from the directing, dialogue, animation, music,and how it shows both perspectives one of the best fights in anime I've seen in my time watching anime for a while this fight will always remember me of Hxh even though the Gon fight is memorable this one forsure will always stand out to me amazing episode and reaction.
Fun fact: in the manga, Netero's final words were a bit different. Instead of "you know nothing of humanity's potential for evolution", he said "you know nothing of humanity's potential for malice".
And the bomb used is proof of this, as it grants an incredibly painful death and is extremely cheap to make, so it's basically "trash"
This is the same as the manga, the difference is that the manga being print was able to alter the statement to reflect the meaning of evolution and malice. When you have someone speaking that doesn't work but someone fluent would pick up on world play.
Specifically both malice and evolution is used in the manga. as in the way it's written was "Malice" but had a reading guide saying to pronounce it as evolution
I am SO TIRED of seeing this everywhere, from pretentious know it all people. Its BOTH evolution and malice, just like the person above me said.
The reason as to why Togashi did this, is because NATURE has both evolution and malice, Survival of the fittest.
And there is nothing more terrifying than intelligent species to the level of humans.
Seriously, I doubt people even understand Hunter x Hunter in general.
After years of HxH I believe only small percentage understands the writing of HxH in general, especially the Ant arc.
@@stanmarsh4566 Holy shit, you are so smart! Did you know that 99% of us here dont have a PHD in hxh lore and just want to know some cool facts? Maybe chill a bit with people sharing this cool fact, you are going to see it in just about every reaction video and none of us want post an entire Wikipedia article about it ^^
humans have infinite capacity for malice or evil, and right after that comes the bomb, which was created to exterminate humans in large quantities with extremely low cost and easy access.
One of the best episodes in history.
It's already the best
Netreo pulled one of the biggest "You didn't win" in anime history.
Great episode and the arc only gets better.
Given the play on words of Malice and Evolution in Japanese, a better translation for Netero's line would have been "No idea of the boundless malice behind human evolution".
I like this take
This is one of the greatest fights in anime history. Netero’s conclusion was done perfectly.
When you consider the significance of nuclear weapons in Japan, it's really something how the pinnacles of individual strength, Netero's decades of training and Meruem's natural power, were both absolutely nothing in the face of a cheap, mass produced bomb.
This is why Netero and Meruem are at the top of my favorite HxH characters. Their narrative importance and the way the fight itself tied into the themes of this arc was just phenomenal.
for me this fight it's one the best that I ever seen in a anime, it's awesome, this fight it's great not only for the good animation or movements, the construccion to get to this moment it is very well done, the background, the message that give, the importance of the battle for the characters, and the end, it's insane, I really love it
That train of thought the kind had about domesticating humans is very human like. Just like how we do it to animals and other nations. We’re not any better than the king in that aspect.
Mureum:I shall not repeat myself.
Also Mureum:Always repeating the word he said earlier😂😂😂😂
At 8:05 it looks like Netero is quite shocked at just losing a leg. Meruem tells him to close his wound but it *looks* like Netero is still a little too shocked to immediately take action against blood loss, so Meruem ask him "why are you not stopping the bleeding?" In reality Netero is feigning a state of surprise so he can intentionally lose some blood in order for his heart to stop beating faster once he needs to activate the miniature rose...Well Netero really was surprised, I think, but the inaction against his wound served as a sort of combative double entandre.
The premise of this fight was interesting to me because Netero easily could've utilized Knov's portal ability to swap him out of the fight and immediately sub a nuke in. 10 nukes if he wanted. But as Netero stated he wanted to fight an opponent with the strength to defeat him. But not just fight him... I think if Netero ever found someone who could defeat him then he would forfeit his life. Maybe that's one of the conditions for his 100-type guanyin bodhisattva? Maybe another condition for it was to get the enemy to agree to the terms of the fight, the enemy must agree to defeat him without killing him? It's fun to speculate on that but anyways I think Netero is like Komugi in that regard. Their life is forfeit once they've been defeated.
hxh for me it is the best anime of all time, i like it so much how the story always can get a unespected way, even also different of the most comum plots of other animes, there is no plot twist here, just an realistic and unespected kind of view, that we cant know when the things ll happens and how it happens too, but always the story telling give us the best experience, with the best perspective that we could got of the trame, writting's master piece
"Ant King, you believe i cannot pray with a single arm ?" One of the coldest lines in anime history for me
One thing about Netero's shirt and the heart thing
The shirt literally says "心", which means "heart" in both kanji and Chinese.
Also Netero is the grand master of "心源流"(Shingen-ryū), which means Style That Originates From The Heart.
Biscuit and Wing are also from Shingen-ryū
I really hope Togashi got his health back and continue this amazing masterpiece anime. HxH will be always one of my favorite anime because their are lot of things we can relate in this anime n i don't know how to express in word it brings out the best reality we living in this world that we can relate in this anime🔥🔥🔥🔥
This man should watch this work by himself😂
Imagine trying to sell this to a video production company: "The big bad of the arc will not even interact with the main characters, and will be killed by nuke."
Probably my fave anime fight of all time for me 🥹🙏🏾
People like to goof about how in worlds that use fantasy power systems but seem to have at least some level of modern technology like Naruto or Harry Potter, fights may go quite differently if some of the characters would just bring a gun along. Netero basically took that advice to heart but just skipped straight to tactical nukes.
The sheer sickening thought that Meruem was this strong after only be alive for 40 days. Barely even touched on aura or nen, just raw power and playing board games
WRONG thumbnail sir! It is 126 not 127.. better fix it cause this episode quite popular.
blame Lindsay this time! She does the tumbnails
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Netero says he wasn't alone because he had all human evolution with him. He transforms into the monster and Meruem becomes the human, an exchange of roles takes place. Absolute cinema
Another bit of foreshadowing. When Netero was playing with Gon and Killua, he was using just one leg and one hand
I might be misremembering parts of this, but i the manga the kanji used by Netero when talking about humanity's potential to Meruem, it could be read as both 'evolution' and 'malice'. So, yes, while the Ants can make a culmination of nature's evolution, they could never expect humans to be so petty as to develop a weapon capable of mass extinction with little to no restrictions tied to it.
You are right. In the Japanese manga, it is described as malice in large letters and evolution in ruby.
I can't help but think that knowing this would change the interpretation.
Top 3 episode definitely
And just think, some people still argue that this anime is not one of the best shonen out there.......
finally, i waited so long for my favorite fight
What I really really like about this, and how it changes the perception of all the previous episodes on rewatch - is that Netero won upon landing in the palace. That was it, he already had checkmate.
The whole operation of separating the Guard from Meruem so they can get away was done to sacrifice as little as possible. If Netero were killed in the palace, he would've blown up everyone including all the hypnotized civilians in front of the palace.
That, and his desire to fight Meruem and see if he can win as his life's final act.
But it's just so insane to think about the fact it was literally over the moment Netero came *close* to Meruem.
The sheer devastation of Zero Hand is even more disconcerting when you remember that as an emissive ability, it’s already lost 50% of the cost/benefit due to the weakening of aura separated from the body 😅
I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THE REACTION FOR 131
a bomb, welfin despite trying to lie said the truth
idk if they talk about this but netero loses the hand and leg that he wasnt using against gon and killua in the ball game. that was his bias that let the king win. netero always gave himself a handicap of those two limbs that it became the problem in a real fight.
This fight and this moment is fantastic because it shows how meruem wasnt as major of a threat as we the audience thought. Netero actually says "you understand nothing of the infinite potential for human EVIL" showing how compared to how terrible we can be he was just a baby with childish plans. And the fact that this moment was shown to us through a shonen anime, leaving us with zero expectations for a nuclear bomb is what makes this one of the greatest anime fights and moments, it literally used the medium itself to trick us into a false sense of worry.
this just shows you how scary the dark continent is. I really hope they continue the anime to show us :)
漫画では、"進化"と書いて"悪意"って読ませてるんだよ〜
Zero hand is how I envisioned Hyper Beam as a kid
This is still one of the best fights ever i agree.
still every time i watch this fight i think to myself "ok but what if Netero got a heart attack in a shopping mall or something".
I always liked the manga quote of netero's phrase better than the anime's:
"You know nothing of the bottomless malice within the human heart"
the manga had it both malice and evolution it had the benefit of using furigana. basically the sentence had malice, but the furigana (reading guide) says to pronounce it as evolution.
What? netero lost his arm? that never happened before? literally gon last arc, and Hisoka in the Heaven's Arena.. and the guy that bump on hisoka during the hunter exam.. I'm pretty sure no one would lose a limb ever again..lol
ネテロの念能力はゴンと同じく、強化系です。ネテロは王に近づいた時に初めから心臓を止めて、爆弾を起爆していれば任務完了でした。しかし強化系です。ゲンスルー戦と同じで、ネテロが満足するまで戦わなければ気が済まなかったんです。
やはり強化系は似ていますね！
Love the question... Who's the monster now? Because that is exactly what this show is asking.
This is the kind of thing that even animations or well choreography fight cant achieve. You can throw the best animations out there, or create the best well choreography fight. Its still wont beat the dialogue, metaphor, and feeling. Yes the animations in this episode is still amazing, but you know what i mean.. with the kind of seasonal animation these days.
Its just only HxH can do that, ive seen JJK trying so hard to do something similar, even Bleach and Naruto have tried it in their early days. And they failed in my opinion. Glad that Bleach and Naruto find their own formula, while JJK.. i still dont think so.
JJK’s human moments kinda always fail to land for me. But I’ve also realized that I find ‘pure’ battle shounen to be really boring tbh. Fights being a way of developing (or being secondary to) characters and their motives is always more gratifying but it must just be really challenging to do for how rare it is.
I think the most incredible thing in JJk is the power system, fights are like hxh, bringing the brain to fights instead of random lasers an power ups
@@Horneto12 I can see how JJK's power system would be a step up in that regard but I still find it pretty unsatisfying. I do have some particular/overly strong opinions on this topic though which definitely influence my judgement, so I'm not trying to speak for everyone or what everyone should inclined to appreciate in things like this, but it just strikes me as being pretty ad hoc and arbitrary (and thus pretty inelegant). Like people just sort of being able to do things (due to inheriting cursed techniques or whatever) and those things never really having to meaningfully engage with what other people can do, etc, gives it a sense of unreality for me not unlike the more 'artificial' feeling power system of something like MHA where people are just born with certain specific powers and limitations for more or less completely unspecified reasons. Which if a system is a common unifying field or logic that can being everything together, actually makes the whole thing feel decidedly 'unsystematic' to me.
HxH definitely has an element of that where people can do these highly specific contextual things, but that's all built up from a common unifying logic of people discovering their basic temperament or dispositions, and deliberately or rationally constructing a power for themselves via working out acceptable conditions and limitations to make the most out of whatever they have and their own personal biases. It not only feels more 'realistic' by factoring in all of those possible considerations, it also can be used to do a ton of character work. Obviously HxH is sort of in its own category, though. But where something like JJK seems to divert from HxH all seem to be choices that are decidedly less inspired, to me.
I want to reiterate that I have some unusually strong opinions on this topic, though. For the past few years I've been working on my own power system to address all of the things I find most power systems are lacking (an aforementioned sense of 'realism' vs it just enabling you to do 'cool things' [or how I'd see such a thing anyways, lol]), tying it into broader considerations like the metaphysics of the world or how people understand questions of reality, etc. So since I'm so motivated to make really specific decisions in my own personal project that must also be reflected in how (perhaps unnecessarily) critical I am in how other people might decide to do things lol...
@@mb7626 i dont get it, what is human moments tho?
I still find shounen battle entertaining if it done right tbh, for me Bleach is too predictable with the way how the fight going, just like DB maybe. Honestly JJK and Kny too. Only Naruto, FMAB, HxH and Mob Psycho that can make a shounen battle entertaining. The stake is high, unpredictable, fluid and its not just power ups here and there.
@@Horneto12 i find the power system really trying so hard to be Nen. They act like its some kind of complex power system while i find it work like chakra, very flexible with how they utilize it. And the fight.. with how narrator talk, is like HxH thats true. But not as clever, its just i find it unoriginal and not creative. So generic.
I’d never made the connection between “Miniature Rose” and “Little Flower”.
There is another sub version that people consider more accurate. Instead of "human's infinite potential for evolution" it says "human's infinite potential for malice" which makes more sense considering the poor man's rose explanation at the end 🌹
It's not more accurate. There's a double meaning in the manga using kanji and furigana that can't be easily translated or conveyed in the anime. But in the anime, he literally says Shinka, which means evolution and, in my opinion, fits better with the idea of evolving to be at the top of the food chain conveyed throughout the arc. The nuclear weapons, of course, represent the malice driving that evolution to dominate not only other species but other human groups as well.
Crazy is yet to come! Soon!
wait i just noticed that girl has two different eye colors, heterochromia i think
that's pretty cool!
Wow the views coming in hot
CHILLS DOWN MY SPINE!
In french that was translated as "infinite possibility of evil" , something like that.
Another previous foreshadowing : Netero said someone should be sacrified when they were planning the attack, so long long ago, but we didnt think he would sacrifice himself at the time
Son sacrifice était en vain
Not in vain, Netero fulfilled his wish and got the mission done. Meruem was a walking dead.@@chrollo114
@@chrollo114 ah non, il a tué le roi et deux généraux en tant que porteur d'infection mortelle.
@@prouvencau6343 pas faux
@@chrollo114 et ce qui a de plus incroyable dans tout ça, c'est que les utilisateurs de Nen les plus puissants se sont fait buter par une arme humaine sans aucun Nen dedans.
Dans ma tête ce qui n'avait pas de Nen était inoffensif, et en fait non 😅
Netero's one liners are the best !!!!
Netero GOAT
10:18 ここの王のポーズがピトーを待つゴンと左右対称になっているんだよね
The next episode is one of my favorite
I always loved how Netero "wins" this fight by basically appealing to his own, and humanity's, worst nature. You could make an argument that Netero accepted this mission for humanity's future, and I'm sure Netero thought about it. But during the fight Netero makes it clear that ultimately he's just doing it for his own satisfaction: he loves fighting and this will be the best fight of his life. And that same part of him that loves the idea of being challenged yet also, maybe paradoxically, absolutely hates to lose. So the nuclear bomb is a last spiteful "you didn't win" from the old devil.
13:52 to be fair, that is what we humans do to other animals
Fix your thumbnail its 126 instead of 127!
Often overlooked is that it was human malice/evolution that saved the human race. Because humanity has no true king, instead a bunch of indivuduals that chase the position of king, humanity evolved through malice. The evil we inflict upon ourself, what if we influcted it upon an intruder, and enemy?
In the end Meruem was the king of his species, but could not stack up to the sum total of humanity's archievements born out of our capacity for malice.
Yutaka Nakamura was a key Animator on this episode I think
what if there is no bomb is there any hunter that stronger than meruem? like gin
Nope. Unless it's proven in the manga we have seen no one who is stronger than meruem. He is the strongest character to this date excluding Alluka because she is just an exception tbf
I love how this arc always ask the question about the ants as monsters. are they monsters or have some humanity? in the end the top monster vs the top human fight but the former wins. however humanity is the worst monster. The best human lose but the worst monster win.
Cool episode, btw have u ever seen darling in the franxx? It's great show
Meruem had to be revived so yes the bomb was powerful
Judging by his reaction he seen hunter x hunter
That’s not a secret
I'm just here for the girls reactions. The dude has already watched this whole sheet.
I'm pretty sure Netero said he is 50% at full strength because of old age. So that means there characters stronger than old netero.
Tbh..... Ging, pariston, sylvia and Chrollo are probably stronger than Old Netero. Probably.....
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It would have been really awkward if Meruem had killed Netero and Zeno back at the start of the battle when he walked between them. If he'd killed netero then thousands of people in the palace grounds and all the characters in the battle would have just gotten nuked.
Right? Lmao
Peak fiction
The bomb is probably a thousand of times more powerful than Netero's Zero Hand. No matter how strong nen users are, they're still nothing compared to a small nuke. Of course not all of it will directly target the king so it's not a very efficient use of that much energy. So maybe the King has a shot! But the King certainly seemed to think he was fucked.
She's spittin about the shirt. Need a pair for the gym
i love meruem fr
Infinity potential of malice, as humans should be.
netero is him
amazing
2:46 “me”
Blud thinks he’s him😭👎
Its a….its a nuclear bomb……
For the algo
Top 1 for sure is luffy vs katakuri
لقد كان ممل و طويل
Cringe
if katakuri win
It's up there, Definitely not 1 for me though.
Not gonna lie, although I love this ant's arc I really hate the end of this battle
Why?
It's a perfect end.
FASTEST CHARACTERS IN HXH
1. Mereum (mereum was jumping from pillar to pillar, while netero was just using his arms, yet he still able to outspeed netero)
2. Netero (this one is objectable since he was just moving his arms)
3. Killua (once he activate God Speed)
4. Will be revealed after a few episode (Spoiler)
5. Cheetu
6. Feitan
Adult gon is faster than Killua,Pitou is faster than Cheetu (post mortem nen pitou is even faster than Godspeed killua)
Pitou is faster than even Godspeed Killua
In this episode, Mereum LITERALLY states that Neteros praying movement, and I quote: "Far surpasses my speed".
And then the rest of Netero movements are about equal to Mereums.
So no, Mereum is not the fastest, Netero is.
@@maxdrags3115 You do realize that the praying movement was just the arms right? and mereum was still able to outspeed netero before he was able to do a prayer stance. so basically mereum is faster.
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