Annulments - Consensual Incapacity to Marry
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Bai Macfarlane, of Mary's Advocates discusses with Sheryl Temaat the new book "Consensual Incapacity to Marry" which is an edited version of recent doctoral dissertation. Book is written by Catherine Godfrey-Howell and has a forward by Cardinal Raymond Burke. "This book can be very helpful for canonists and others who know or at last sense that the 'received American jurisprudence,' still deeply ingrained in the operation of too many tribunals, is not correct."
I would be crazy to get married in the Novus ordo in the US now. Annulment is too easy and the tribunals are encouraging separation and annulment when the spouses fall into relationship issues. In a divorce, Women get half of the money, custody of the children, even more money for support if there are children. God doesn’t intend for this to happen.
If Cardinal Burke believes the good of the spouses is essential to validity, how could he prove any contra good of the spouses annulment was illegal?
It’d be great to get links to HPR articles by Sheryl. I’d like to read them if available online.
Here’s another issue - Even if you have a real Master’s degree in counseling, it’s meaningless. I’ve seen the program. A freshman in high school could get this degree. Memorize terms in the DSM, write about feelings and spit back an essay on empathy.
If I wanted to get an annulment, I would make sure that the tribunal knew that I was immature for my age when I married, that she was really my first girlfriend, that we had dated for only six weeks before becoming engaged, and then married six months later with no pre-marital counseling. Slam dunk annulment -- but don't tell my wife. The last 45 years have been great.
None of those are reasons for annulment dorkis
@@alexsealey1865 What does "dorkis" mean? Sounds like an insult. Reread what I wrote -- I was obviously making fun of the stupid reasons given for annulments these days.
I was being silly. No disrespect.
Congratulations on 45 years! What a blessing for us the Church!
These sorts of testimonies are very needed! I usually resort to the many Saints of centuries past whose marriages were ARRANGED and VERY YOUNG (like so many Catholic royalty).
Imagine reading their lives in a modern biography and then the author flippantly states that “married at 14 & 16, having never met one another, arranged by their parents, they probably weren’t validly married.”
- Oh, joy! Where’s the exit from this “Faith”?
If in the ‘80s I can remember my oldest brother saying “marriage is a joke” IMAGINE today.
Any studies, surveys of youth done today showing their thoughts on marriage?
I guess with the drop from approximately 400,000 marriages a year to 100,000 (I THINK that was a stat thrown out in a “Retrograde” podcast with Tim & Stephanie Gordon, needs confirmation).
I would like to know if any diocese on this planet is following the word of Church law in regard to validity and divorce. I am in my late 50's and the annulments that I have seen among my friends all seem to be not right.
If a man can get his 30+year marriage declared null because he really wanted to play baseball but did not make it into the minor leagues so married instead, then, no, Mark, there's not a diocese in the U.S. at least, that won't use phony grounds to declare marriages null. This incident happened in a conservative diocese.
The man, by the way, had never mentioned his overwhelming desire to play baseball until another woman walked into his life.
It's divorce and remarriage and few thinking people are being fooled.
@@kathryndresen1346 That is sad. It almost makes you wonder if any annulment that has been granted in the last 50 years is valid. I was born in 1964 and I wonder if this kind of thing happened pre Vatican II. Mark
Other countries have very few to NO annulment. It's a U.S. thing
One of my European cousins divorced her husband-who began committing adultery soon after the marriage-and was *not* granted a declaration of nullity. ❤
@@kathryndresen1346. Good point that few are being fooled
The tribunals will grant annulments (declaration of nullify ) under bogus grounds when sound things like Pauline and Petrine privilege are available because they don’t want to involve Rome.
Tribunals are not infallible. Bishops have delegated their judgement to tribunals. There is so much flawed with the annullment process. And yet its your marriage we're talking about! Follow your conscience.
When I meet a man who has a Declaration, I ask about it.
I would like some feedback here. I have a friend who is protestant. Married a non-practicing Catholic in a Catholic Church. His wife had a friend that was male, before and during the marriage. She did not tell her husband that she and the friend had a brief intimate relationship in their past. They stayed friends then she left her husband for the guy friend a few years into marriage, at which point she admitted to their previous relationship. Her extramarital affair ended a year ago. She and husband have been separated for 3 years. No children together because they were going to wait for finances to improve but then she left him. She refuses to work on the marriage or to hear the husband's requirements for moving forward. Would anyone here think his case would be valid annulment because of fraud? He would not have allowed the friendship with the former lover if he knew their past so he was not allowed to make a full consent to marriage. And her omission of the truth indicates either guilt or lack of intention to remain faithful. He is considering entering the Catholic Church now, his conversion is new, so that's why an annulment would be considered by him
Are they divorced civilly? If not, it is a moot question.
A Declaration of Nullity is only even considered after the civil divorce is completed. Further, the annulment process in the Church can easily take two years.
@@AdaraBalabusta not divorced yet. I'm hearing some people here saying that the bishop can and should, in many cases, actually approve of a separation and of a research into nullity before a civil divorce.
What about wanna be converts? Two people who are in their 50’s and 60’s, have been married 30 years- were divorced when they were in their early 20’s and 30’s, have raised 5 kids together, and want to become catholic?
My speculation is that their previous marriages would have to be investigated, assuming that the former spouses are yet alive.
If this situation is real, please consult the local priest.
Malachi was condemning men who left a wife without a divorce so she could not remarry. There is no mention of nullify although I see that requiring a civil divorce can cause the same sort of situation that Malachi is trying to remedy.
Malachi condemned the husbands who divorced their wives.
Judaism says divorce is sometimes the most healthy thing. He is trying to condemn the idea divorce can be for no cause.
@@andystitt3887 The Old Testament only allowed husbands to file for divorce, so Malachi rebuked husbands, who divorced their wives, and usually for no good reason. Jesus said Moses allowed divorce bc of the hardness of their hearts, i.e. to prevent murders of wives.
@@francikeen I only learned this recently. That for adulterous men the only “way out” of their marriage was to KILL their wives. I couldn’t believe in all these decades of being a Catholic that critical fact explaining why Moses “permitted them to write a bill of divorce but it was not so from the beginning” was never explained to us.
What happens after a marriage can shed light on the minds of the “spouses.”
i grew up with a narcissistic father. I now have an autoimmune disease to deal with as well as a husband with little to no empathy. Only when you've walked in the shoes of someone who's suffering will you know how painful it is to warch someone you love suffer. These ladies have very little compassion for people who are actually suffering. They are not all frivolous cases. I know a case where the woman was beaten up and nearly killed by her husband.
In Luke 16 v 18, Jesus teaches that remarriage after divorce is adultery.
They are discussing cases in which spouses are cast aside for little or no reason OR because one of the spouses finds someone new.
In the “annulment process,” the courtship and inception of the marriage is examined to see what defects might have existed at that time.
If a spouse has become abusive, a legal separation or divorce might be needed for personal safety.
Remarriage in the Church should be difficult because of the teaching of Jesus.