This is why Jokic should win MVP every season. With him on the court every player is good, with him on the bench every player is rubbish. Is there a more clear description of value than that?
When Kareem played there were 4 good NBA teams, and the Lakers / Celtics were favored every year. Today's game is so much more competitive - its Joker all the way. The fact that he won a title with that supporting cast is incredible.
Just black would be enough. But the good thing is that it could have been used once and never again, saying such stupidity like Perkins , because the white fans voted for all the black mvps before...and especially since Jokic proved to be way over Embild after he was gifted that 1 mvp. Now people have it all clear and are even bigger fans of Jokic for that unjustified stolen mvp title.
What the hell is the "*Forgotten* Moment Changed The Course Of NBA History?" It started telling a story about Jokic being picked last for the All Star team and implied that it would dig into that, then just regurgitated a bunch of boring stats for seven minutes. What a waste of time.
Context matters for stats: if the stats are from the 70/80’s or post 2012, it will be much higher than stats from the 90’s and 2000’s. So comparing stats per game between Shaq and Jokic heavily favors Jokic. Use stats per possessions to get a fairer ( yet still not perfect) assessment.
SOMETIMES?!. That's a massive overstatement. Dude can't even play to All Star level. Dude can't put 2 good games together without Jokic overrating Jamal skill
To me what makes him so great is ive never seen someone who can elevate each of his teammates when he plays with the output he puts out by himself I've never seen a player like him usually what happens when you're such a great player is the supporting cast kind of is sidelined by the performance but someone who can not only help maintain but also increase the supporting cast output while having a insane individual game himself is just so crazy that I've never seen a player like him in nba🎉
Making everyone else better is his most important skill, arguably the most effective way of stopping Jokic is to stop him from getting his teammates involved, its better to have Jokic score 50 on you than to let him make his teammates score 15 each. The impact it has when Jokic involves others is massive because once a player gets going and in rythm it gets really hard to stop them, and winning a game where 5 players got going is far harder than when 1 player got going.
@ you don’t have to be better defensively if you can create a greater point differential through unmatched offensive production. Let’s say you have two elite players… player A is the better defender and creates an average point differential of 6 points greater than his opponent. Player B is a solid defender, but not great, but it’s so good offensively he creates an average point differential of 10 points greater than his opponent. Who’s technically the more effective player?
@ because I would say that being the best isn’t the same as being the greatest. Being the best has to do with being the most effective on the court… Being the greatest has to do with accolades and accomplishments and overall impact on the game. I don’t think Jokic is the greatest center of all time, but I do think he’s the best on the court
I’ve considered jokic over shaq just because if they traded places it’s tough to say that jokic isn’t at least close and I think jokic and kobe work together for longer because there is no beef but Shaq is so damn good and we forget that. Everyone acts like La was his only good years which is just not true. Kareem is a whole different animal though. I have him at number 3 all time and could argue number 2. He’s becoming underrated as the years go by.
Just here to brag and point out how Joker's Nuggets just beat LeBron's Fakers by 25 points on 11/23/24. Joker had 34pts and 10rebs and LeCon had only 18pts. To say that Joker's Nuggets own the Lakers would be an understatement because LeBron and AD both want so badly to pull a Air Jordan and "take it personal" but they simply can't.
shaq didnt have the kobe we know till 00 and for 3 seasons shaq got bounced out and got mad he had to wait on kobe then in 99 kobe started getting proper minutes and showed glimpses. and shaq still had no bench till 98 cassel and eddie jones left and harper was predominantly defensive. horry and fox came in 97
Van Exel was amazing with Shaq. Jokic would be even better if he played with someone as good as Van Exel. It would be infinity more all star starting teammates that he has had up to this point
Joker is this generation’s Tim Duncan. An all time great that doesn’t have a big personality that garters attention so he quietly dominates while others get the limelight. Jokic like Duncan won’t truly be appreciated until his legacy is at its late part of career or even after his career.
Props for bringing up Kareem's defense and shot-blocking. So few people ever acknowledge that about him, dude was a monster on defense and probably the most overlooked shotblocker ever.
He’s this generation’s Lebron, could do almost anything. Maybe not as athletic but just as if not even more smarter. Shit, I think there’s a stat that shows how Denver is actually better defensively with him on the court. That’s what matters the most.
People say Shaq was so dominant. Watch that full series on 2000 against the blazers. Sabonis played him well and he never had a stand out game. And everyone knows the lakers got super lucky in winning game 7 of that series
There is a geniune possibility that Jokic wins 4-5 more rings over the next 10 years and retires as an undeniable top 5 player of all time. He is 29. He plays a relaxed style with minimal sprinting and contact. He has a lot of time left on the court.
Bro you are out of your mind he have a life outside of basketball but his love of the game is clear as day to see and the numbers and his selfishness proves it
yes i noticed this too. Lebron made a mistake here. Larry bird saying MJ was black jesus was not a coincidence. He wanted to quell Jordans fire against him. Lebron apparently didn't get this. Also on his birthday.
Jokic said: NAH... I'd WIN I think the Nuggets told Jamal Murrray to play as a Double Agent Terrorist so Jokic don't retire early because it feels like he will retire the moment he won a 2nd one
i’m not saying jokic isn’t great but this video makes the argument that todays fan just looks up numbers and not what is actually happening on the court.. Or the voices of actual players. I guess some people like this type of analytics, where others say it’s what’s wrong with today’s NBA It is very interesting how Joker fell to being a second round pick and constantly underestimated. I have no opinion on where he stands all time. Time will tell.
What are the Nuggets front office is doing is parasiting on a back of the 2020 GOAT player. I mean how doesn't Adam Silver arrest them? Imagine if their front office gives him one All Star player in his prime like Fox or Brunson. He would have at least 4 rings nowadays.
I closely watch every interview of Jokic. and never heard that he will retire early. Knowing how he actually loves basketball I dont believe in that statemant
I’m not trying to cause arguments but please feel free to leave your takes. Jokic is one of 9 players in history to win 3 mvps. He’s gonna go down as a top 15-20 player if not higher, and you can make the case he’s there with 3 mvps and a ring. Some were arguing it for Giannis when he won his. Not comparing them as players but I worry Jokic is gonna go down like Tim Duncan. (Not saying he’ll have the team success) but they don’t talk about guys whose play styles aren’t entertaining. Jokic is fun to watch if you enjoy pure basketball. If you want highlight you watch a shifty or explosive player ja, ant, Jaylen green just someone flashy. Ik I wrote a lot, my point is I feel he’s should go down one of the best players ever but factors such as small market and play style means some will never put him up there.
Comparing stats like this is rookie level mistake cause for example 30points could be very different thing in different games let alone different eras. That goes also with rebounds assists +/- everything. The Rules have changed and opponents are different too. Kareem played against Wilt Nate Thurmond Bill Walton Moses Malone Robert Parrish Mark Eaton Hakeem P.Ewing... Nikola Jokic plays against Draymond Adebayo Anthony Davis Domantas... alot of 6'9 guys with defensive three second rule. Those might give a little edge to Jokic? What Im saying its more colourful with thousends of shades than what Mike Korzemba tells about these matters. Thank God
1. The rules changed to hurt centers, Hakeem and Shaq never had to deal with double teams. When illegal defense ended Shaq immediately fell off 2. Nate Thurmond wasn’t good at basketball you don’t have to pretend 3. Robert Parish was 6’9 4. Mark Eat(a)ton was a less talented Boban a gimmick, a sideshow
sorry bro for the question, but how can i use this kind clip?!? i have a youtube channel too, i'll like to make a video like this but i don't know where i can toke this clip, thanks
@ He needs another title or 2, but he’s borderline Top 10, and is arguably the best offensive center ever, taking his scoring and passing into account. Joker is flat out ridiculous.
MOSES WAS NOT A CENTER I DONT CARE . JOKIC ALSO IS NOT A CENTER. IM 35 SAYING THIS. THERE MAY BE LIKE 4 CENTERS NOW , LIKE EVER AGAIN , THATS IFFFFFFFFF I INCLUDE A.D. IN THIS........
great, now that you mentioned that nuggets been undefeated against lakers in the regular season you jinxed them. watch them lose tonight against the lakers😂
Jokic is already the best OFFENSIVE big man after the merger, if it comes to prime years. Doesnt mean he is close to Hakeem, Shaq or Kareem for his overall career. For that he needs at least 2 more tiitles and has to play 5 more prime seasons. Then we can talk if he is close to Kareem. Cause one thing that isnt mentioned here. All the alltime greats came into the league dominating from day one. Jokic needed a couple of seasons to find his groove and role. Thats also a point that speaks against him.
Well, we have to take into account the eras. Jokić is playing in the most offensive orientated era ever while Shaq in arguably the most defensive era ever so naturally Nikola's offensive numbers (primary efficiency) will be better. I love Jokić but he is this great also thanks to this era.
While eras are important, I think a lot of Shaqs bad shots were inefficent post ups. 3-10 feet isnt the best area for a lot of bigs. Maybe in this era though someone would have had him in more efficient places
Jokic was robbed of the MVP, as they felt a need to give it to Embiid... but the following season Embiid did better and Jokic won... because they had to correct the error. In my mind those two mvps should be swapped. As for the All-Star game, I think it was a joke to leave him last. He's a top 3 Center for me (KAJ, Wilt, Jokic) and will probably be the best when things are all said and done.
new shit happening, isnt history changing. its writing history. come the fuck on dude. clickbait titles and overly dramatic takes arent good and wont ever be. its just sports. not life and death
Jokic isnt winning another nba championship in Denver and if he doesnt win again all that nonchalant, why is the parade so far away, i want to go home and be with horses shit will age so bad He will be a statistical anomaly no one will ever care to remember Hopefully for him he leaves denver to a good owner ship group, shit in Milwaukee he would be a 3 time champ by now
Jokic is fantastic but he's just not even a shit stain on Shaq's shorts. Absolutely regarded to not add that Shaq was playing in the all defense era where the game had no pace at all, and the present era is the no defense era where the pace is very high.
You are probably the same type that is fed up with the amount of 3’s and lack of defence. Yet Jokic does something different and you still hate on it, says more about you if you find it ugly to watch
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Jokic ain't winning his 4th mvp Stephen curry will win mvp
This is why Jokic should win MVP every season. With him on the court every player is good, with him on the bench every player is rubbish. Is there a more clear description of value than that?
We’ll only find out if he gets injured and has to sit out
He’s one of the best players not just one of the best centers of all time
When Kareem played there were 4 good NBA teams, and the Lakers / Celtics were favored every year. Today's game is so much more competitive - its Joker all the way. The fact that he won a title with that supporting cast is incredible.
yeh the Minions cast xD
The Jamal Murray disrespect will not be tolerated
@@isaactheicemancombs7443Jamal is ASS trade him right now
@@isaactheicemancombs7443
He’s not that great. Sure he’s good, but not like Scottie Pippen, Dwayne Wade, Magic Johnson good
Zero series against 50+ win teams. In fact, jokic has NEVER beaten a 50 win team in the playoffs. Over. Rated.
Bro, lets ne honest, if Jokic was black and American born, he would have 4 MVPs in 4 years
Just black would be enough. But the good thing is that it could have been used once and never again, saying such stupidity like Perkins , because the white fans voted for all the black mvps before...and especially since Jokic proved to be way over Embild after he was gifted that 1 mvp. Now people have it all clear and are even bigger fans of Jokic for that unjustified stolen mvp title.
Jokic thought he was the last pick. He did not see Markkanen because it was dark
Indeed
Markkanen is east, he must play for giannis team
What the hell is the "*Forgotten* Moment Changed The Course Of NBA History?" It started telling a story about Jokic being picked last for the All Star team and implied that it would dig into that, then just regurgitated a bunch of boring stats for seven minutes. What a waste of time.
Yeah Mike fell off since agent cooked him
@@ClosingSoon5We ain’t forget that moment
Shoutout RUclips for removing the dislike button so we have to sit through garbage before realizing it’s garbage
Only true NBA fans saw the forgotten moment in this video. Guesse you ain't a true fan!
Thanks for saving me ten minutes!
Today he made russ almost a prime russ to smack the Lakers.. Damn..
Give Russ some credit.
Jokic just destroy La lakers, AGAIN 😂
Context matters for stats: if the stats are from the 70/80’s or post 2012, it will be much higher than stats from the 90’s and 2000’s.
So comparing stats per game between Shaq and Jokic heavily favors Jokic. Use stats per possessions to get a fairer ( yet still not perfect) assessment.
Jamal Murray plays like a All-Star player sometimes😂
…..don’t get me started on Jamal Murray 😒
SOMETIMES?!. That's a massive overstatement. Dude can't even play to All Star level. Dude can't put 2 good games together without Jokic overrating Jamal skill
@@12savage68 Bro... you are so obviously wrong that you might want to check yourself into a mental hospital.
True but if he didn’t play with Jokic he would never play like an all star.
Probably the best player that never selected as an all star.
To me what makes him so great is ive never seen someone who can elevate each of his teammates when he plays with the output he puts out by himself I've never seen a player like him usually what happens when you're such a great player is the supporting cast kind of is sidelined by the performance but someone who can not only help maintain but also increase the supporting cast output while having a insane individual game himself is just so crazy that I've never seen a player like him in nba🎉
Making everyone else better is his most important skill, arguably the most effective way of stopping Jokic is to stop him from getting his teammates involved, its better to have Jokic score 50 on you than to let him make his teammates score 15 each. The impact it has when Jokic involves others is massive because once a player gets going and in rythm it gets really hard to stop them, and winning a game where 5 players got going is far harder than when 1 player got going.
Jokic is ALREADY The best center of all time.
He isn't good enough defensively to be the best.
Hakeem and Karrem definitely have better cases in terms of how good they are as player.
@ you don’t have to be better defensively if you can create a greater point differential through unmatched offensive production. Let’s say you have two elite players… player A is the better defender and creates an average point differential of 6 points greater than his opponent. Player B is a solid defender, but not great, but it’s so good offensively he creates an average point differential of 10 points greater than his opponent. Who’s technically the more effective player?
@gazorpagrantgaming7190 I do get your point.
But if one player has won 6 more times while also getting much lore individual awards who is better?
@ are you referring to championships or MVPs?
@ because I would say that being the best isn’t the same as being the greatest. Being the best has to do with being the most effective on the court… Being the greatest has to do with accolades and accomplishments and overall impact on the game. I don’t think Jokic is the greatest center of all time, but I do think he’s the best on the court
I’ve considered jokic over shaq just because if they traded places it’s tough to say that jokic isn’t at least close and I think jokic and kobe work together for longer because there is no beef but Shaq is so damn good and we forget that. Everyone acts like La was his only good years which is just not true. Kareem is a whole different animal though. I have him at number 3 all time and could argue number 2. He’s becoming underrated as the years go by.
Correction. Shaq played with the second greatest player of all times.
Second greatest player? MJ? C'mon ....
Correction: shaq never played with MJ
Just here to brag and point out how Joker's Nuggets just beat LeBron's Fakers by 25 points on 11/23/24. Joker had 34pts and 10rebs and LeCon had only 18pts. To say that Joker's Nuggets own the Lakers would be an understatement because LeBron and AD both want so badly to pull a Air Jordan and "take it personal" but they simply can't.
shaq didnt have the kobe we know till 00 and for 3 seasons shaq got bounced out and got mad he had to wait on kobe then in 99 kobe started getting proper minutes and showed glimpses. and shaq still had no bench till 98 cassel and eddie jones left and harper was predominantly defensive. horry and fox came in 97
Van Exel was amazing with Shaq. Jokic would be even better if he played with someone as good as Van Exel. It would be infinity more all star starting teammates that he has had up to this point
Joker is this generation’s Tim Duncan. An all time great that doesn’t have a big personality that garters attention so he quietly dominates while others get the limelight. Jokic like Duncan won’t truly be appreciated until his legacy is at its late part of career or even after his career.
Problem for Timmy, is the appreciation for his legacy continues to wane. Gilidiot Arena's with some of the worst takes...
Nope! Their games are so different. Nuggets are nothing without Jokic.
Lakers getting clapped by 20 on the same day as the vid dropping is crazy😭
Props for bringing up Kareem's defense and shot-blocking. So few people ever acknowledge that about him, dude was a monster on defense and probably the most overlooked shotblocker ever.
Glad this channel calls out LeBlame’s flops. Greatest flopper of all time.
He’s this generation’s Lebron, could do almost anything. Maybe not as athletic but just as if not even more smarter. Shit, I think there’s a stat that shows how Denver is actually better defensively with him on the court. That’s what matters the most.
That's a direct insult to Jokic. Lebron is hot garbage.
Imagine Jokic going 3/3 in the finals with 5 season MvPs and 3 finals MvP awards.
I'm a huge Bron and MJ fan. Jokic also revolutionized the game.
People say Shaq was so dominant. Watch that full series on 2000 against the blazers. Sabonis played him well and he never had a stand out game. And everyone knows the lakers got super lucky in winning game 7 of that series
Playing with Russ, the no all star team mate argument will have to take a backseat
2:53 You mean again and the previous ones were his own 😂
Lebron might love Taco Tuesdays, but Jokic is the New Quesarito.
Mark my words when Jockoc retires he will be talked about like we talk about Wilt right now. He is simply one of the Goats already!!
I agree. when all's said and done, I'd also put Jokic above Shaq by the end of his career. I don't think it's a huge statement. It's pretty reasonable
There is a geniune possibility that Jokic wins 4-5 more rings over the next 10 years and retires as an undeniable top 5 player of all time.
He is 29. He plays a relaxed style with minimal sprinting and contact. He has a lot of time left on the court.
if he wins 4-5 more rings id have him top 3 over kareem ngl
Jokic Like more horses than Basket he see the sport more like a work then sometimes you not see his pasion 😅
Nah he just misses his home and basketball is a huge time commitment. Teammates and coaches all say he’s very committed and disciplined.
Basketball is a 9/5 for him
Bro you are out of your mind he have a life outside of basketball but his love of the game is clear as day to see and the numbers and his selfishness proves it
What holds back jokic is inconsistent teammates. He is literally the definition of what a most valuable player is in a mediocre team
Guys, don’t do your comparisons just yet, don’t you remember how old Nikola is? I believe we haven’t seen his best yet.
yes i noticed this too. Lebron made a mistake here. Larry bird saying MJ was black jesus was not a coincidence. He wanted to quell Jordans fire against him. Lebron apparently didn't get this. Also on his birthday.
Asking players to pick other players was a terrible idea
Jokic will be one of the greatest centers of all time when he retires.
The guy is incredible
Jokic said: NAH... I'd WIN
I think the Nuggets told Jamal Murrray to play as a Double Agent Terrorist so Jokic don't retire early because it feels like he will retire the moment he won a 2nd one
Greatest player of all time. Triple double machine and plays defense getting steals and blocks
i’m not saying jokic isn’t great but this video makes the argument that todays fan just looks up numbers and not what is actually happening on the court.. Or the voices of actual players. I guess some people like this type of analytics, where others say it’s what’s wrong with today’s NBA
It is very interesting how Joker fell to being a second round pick and constantly underestimated. I have no opinion on where he stands all time. Time will tell.
What are the Nuggets front office is doing is parasiting on a back of the 2020 GOAT player. I mean how doesn't Adam Silver arrest them? Imagine if their front office gives him one All Star player in his prime like Fox or Brunson. He would have at least 4 rings nowadays.
I closely watch every interview of Jokic. and never heard that he will retire early. Knowing how he actually loves basketball I dont believe in that statemant
Jokic is getting the Tim Duncan treatment just because of their non flamboyant personality.
Nuggets vs Lakers 11/23/24
Yeah he dropped this intentionally 😂
I’m not trying to cause arguments but please feel free to leave your takes. Jokic is one of 9 players in history to win 3 mvps. He’s gonna go down as a top 15-20 player if not higher, and you can make the case he’s there with 3 mvps and a ring. Some were arguing it for Giannis when he won his. Not comparing them as players but I worry Jokic is gonna go down like Tim Duncan. (Not saying he’ll have the team success) but they don’t talk about guys whose play styles aren’t entertaining. Jokic is fun to watch if you enjoy pure basketball. If you want highlight you watch a shifty or explosive player ja, ant, Jaylen green just someone flashy.
Ik I wrote a lot, my point is I feel he’s should go down one of the best players ever but factors such as small market and play style means some will never put him up there.
He's becoming Steph Curry with 4 inch vertical.
Wow the disrespect is real...
Centers;
1. Kareem
2. Wilt
3. Bill
4. Hakeem
5. *Jokic (if trajectory continues)
6. Shaq
7. Moses
8. Robinson
No great player doesn’t have a bit of a mean streak.
Whooping LeFlop again ✊
I understand not picking jokic for an all star game. His game is slow, unathletic, boring. Obviously he is very effective but just lame to watch
he beat him again this evening haha. stomped him
jokic is steph curry with 2 inch vertical this season
best in the game right now
Denver front office is wasting his prime years.
Nikola "Quesarito" Jokic
You had a sound clip of jokic not supporting your point and almost disproving
Where was that
Comparing stats like this is rookie level mistake cause for example 30points could be very different thing in different games let alone different eras. That goes also with rebounds assists +/- everything. The Rules have changed and opponents are different too. Kareem played against Wilt Nate Thurmond Bill Walton Moses Malone Robert Parrish Mark Eaton Hakeem P.Ewing... Nikola Jokic plays against Draymond Adebayo Anthony Davis Domantas... alot of 6'9 guys with defensive three second rule. Those might give a little edge to Jokic? What Im saying its more colourful with thousends of shades than what Mike Korzemba tells about these matters. Thank God
1. The rules changed to hurt centers, Hakeem and Shaq never had to deal with double teams. When illegal defense ended Shaq immediately fell off
2. Nate Thurmond wasn’t good at basketball you don’t have to pretend
3. Robert Parish was 6’9
4. Mark Eat(a)ton was a less talented Boban a gimmick, a sideshow
@DrawQuick2014 People like Wilt and Kareem praised Thurmonds defensive skills but what they know compare to you😎
he’s top 15 rn for me if he ties hakeem and wilt for rings he goes to top 8
Don't sleep on Markennen tho he's very talented too just now Jokic tho
Westbrook and DJ were allstar wasnt they?
Jokic isn't better than Shaq, hope this helps ❤
Jokic has been punishing LeBron since then. He will never win again
He’s too.. what? Heard too many excuses..
Nikola Jokic is flaming good ❤🔥
Jokic as Player is easly top 10 even top 6, he is better than Bird and Magic bc he is hybrid of them both just hapand to be 7 foot Centar
Lmao they destroyed the Lakers last night too.
Jokic is anti Shaq
Milsap was an all start and Deandre
Not that year when he played for Nuggets same goes now for Westbrook
Brodie 9x All-Star....but still...
Jokić clear Number 1
sorry bro for the question, but how can i use this kind clip?!? i have a youtube channel too, i'll like to make a video like this but i don't know where i can toke this clip, thanks
So denver ML?
the King is a Serbian 🎉🎉🎉
Jokic > Lebron
Kareem is the real GOAT ♥
Jokic is lebrons daddy 😂
NEW STATS PLS , LoL. Thats stats are old now
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Jokic>kareem
lol 😂
Nah, but he’s up there. Very high up there.
@@juliothom2408 He is nowhere close. Isn't even in reaching distance of top 5.
@ He needs another title or 2, but he’s borderline Top 10, and is arguably the best offensive center ever, taking his scoring and passing into account.
Joker is flat out ridiculous.
Kareem has goated longevity. If Jokic can be productive for that long maybe.
MOSES WAS NOT A CENTER I DONT CARE . JOKIC ALSO IS NOT A CENTER. IM 35 SAYING THIS. THERE MAY BE LIKE 4 CENTERS NOW , LIKE EVER AGAIN , THATS IFFFFFFFFF I INCLUDE A.D. IN THIS........
great, now that you mentioned that nuggets been undefeated against lakers in the regular season you jinxed them. watch them lose tonight against the lakers😂
People that believe in jinxing are childish
@@njokic2176 you a atheist attention seeking or some?🤣come back to this comment when they lose
Jokic is already the best OFFENSIVE big man after the merger, if it comes to prime years. Doesnt mean he is close to Hakeem, Shaq or Kareem for his overall career. For that he needs at least 2 more tiitles and has to play 5 more prime seasons. Then we can talk if he is close to Kareem. Cause one thing that isnt mentioned here. All the alltime greats came into the league dominating from day one. Jokic needed a couple of seasons to find his groove and role. Thats also a point that speaks against him.
Best offensive big of all time. I don’t care about wilts inflated scoring no big man can pass AND shoot like Jokic
Zecke
Well, we have to take into account the eras. Jokić is playing in the most offensive orientated era ever while Shaq in arguably the most defensive era ever so naturally Nikola's offensive numbers (primary efficiency) will be better. I love Jokić but he is this great also thanks to this era.
While eras are important, I think a lot of Shaqs bad shots were inefficent post ups. 3-10 feet isnt the best area for a lot of bigs. Maybe in this era though someone would have had him in more efficient places
Yall need to stay of them drugs 😂 joker doesn't play defense 😒
what a waste of my time
First! Finally!
Jokic was robbed of the MVP, as they felt a need to give it to Embiid... but the following season Embiid did better and Jokic won... because they had to correct the error. In my mind those two mvps should be swapped.
As for the All-Star game, I think it was a joke to leave him last.
He's a top 3 Center for me (KAJ, Wilt, Jokic) and will probably be the best when things are all said and done.
new shit happening, isnt history changing. its writing history. come the fuck on dude. clickbait titles and overly dramatic takes arent good and wont ever be. its just sports. not life and death
Jokic may not have a number 2 who has been an all-star, but Murray is one of the better players to never make an all-star team IMO
I definitely agree with that
First!
y'all find any reason to hate on Bron lol
Well he has a POS human being so there's that
Jokic isnt winning another nba championship in Denver and if he doesnt win again all that nonchalant, why is the parade so far away, i want to go home and be with horses shit will age so bad
He will be a statistical anomaly no one will ever care to remember
Hopefully for him he leaves denver to a good owner ship group, shit in Milwaukee he would be a 3 time champ by now
Jokic is fantastic but he's just not even a shit stain on Shaq's shorts. Absolutely regarded to not add that Shaq was playing in the all defense era where the game had no pace at all, and the present era is the no defense era where the pace is very high.
Jokic is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in NBA history 🤦♂️
Overrated? Ok my boy... ok...
You have no real basketball knowledge woo congratulations🎉
yeah just like lamar jackson is the most overrated qb in nfl history
Yeah 3x MVPs, and being the best offensive player on the court is really overrated
One thing ill say is idk how good he would be against the 80-90 big mans
his game is still ugly to watch
It’s effective and wins chips 🤷🏽♂️
Better than your favorite player, so stay mad
He is the most exciting player to watch.
You are probably the same type that is fed up with the amount of 3’s and lack of defence.
Yet Jokic does something different and you still hate on it, says more about you if you find it ugly to watch