@@rickylukecage4215 LeBron courted Steph, a Warrior, who beat LBJ's Cavs 3 out 4 Championships. Mind you this was when LBJ was moving to Lakers after overtures to Warriors failed.
I mean why the criticism tho? Everybody knows he moves to the best of his own drum. Yea we expect more from a player with his talent. But he’ll never have the career to equate that. So why bother talking about it.
That makes as much sense as if Acho discredited Klay, Dray, and Steph for not winning a chip by themselves elsewhere. It's hard enough winning a chip without randoms who have won nothing talking as if they've done something.
Acho needed a ghost writer for his book! Does that mean the NY Times' accolades don't count? Are those book sales fake? Should he write his own book before we give him credit? We saw KD do work. We didn't see Acho writing. 🤔 Think about that‼️
KD is absolutely NOT unfairly criticized. It's all fair, much like with every other superstar. Both on and off the court is in the line of fire. It comes with the territory. Behavior towards media is also criticized. He claims it's unfair because he dug himself a hole too deep. Had he not gotten snippy at golden state after two rings and then continued to be so, more than likely the criticism wouldn't be nearly as bad, but it still wouldn't be unfair.
I think it's blowback from the LeBron/media aura. Where everything he does has to be scrutinized with the finest toothed comb. Joining a team that beat his team up 3-1...👀 If LeBron lost to Golden State and joined them, we'd never hear the end of it. The criticism is fair on a micro level, but his individual greatness is set.
Lebron losing to an all time great team in warriors don’t compare to kd losing to them blowing a lead people in general try to say weird arguments to discredit him already but all the criticism is fair the only rings he’s gotten was with the warriors but y’all use kd as an argument to discredit steph even though he won before with him and after y’all will give kd all the flowers even though he literally ain’t have to earned them any good small toward coulda replace kd at that spot and the outcome woulda been the same
@@josephbryant1666 The Warriors were up 3-1 when LeBron blew up their world! THEN PUT ON "THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR" TEE SHIRT‼️They ran after KD. LeBron wanted KD and Kawhi to go to the Lakers and help him win more rings! No one's talking about that.
Acho was preaching in this segment! My god. We can’t just ignore how KD went to gsw lol that’s literally like lebron going to the celtics after they beat him 😭
Thank you!!! Cause people use the Heat comparison and I'm like I'm sorry the Heat were 5th in the East and were eliminates in the first round. They weren't the team with 73 wins and got to the finals
@@nobleskywalker4639 73 wins means nothing. They never even won 70 games with KD. Prince James lovers were just butthurt that they couldn't beat them and they only want LeBron to be able to stack the deck with star players.
As someone who lived in the OKC market he didn't perform well in big games on a regular basis. Maybe it was the coaching, Russ, or something else going on but he wasn't able to consistently play well too many 8 foot jumpers clanging when he was open. OKC isn't the easiest place to live for someone from DC and maybe it impacted his play
@@jvtopflight796 Bogut and Barnes are the only two players that left that played any sort of significant minutes. Sorta Barbosa. KD replacing those guys pretty clearly is still a massive improvement. The two key bench players were Iggy and Livingston and both those guys were still on the team, and Zaza replaced Bogut.
@@jvtopflight796 I named 3 players, 2 starters and one bench player who wasn’t that significant. I said they KEPT their two key bench players in Livingston and Iggy. KD is light years better than Barnes, who happened to be a big reason as to why they lost to the cavs in the first place. Zaza basically replaced Boguts production. Every other player change was inconsequential. They basically kept their top 5 players while adding in a top 5 player in the league and a big man that filled in fine for the only other hole.
What was omitted was that he joined a team that he was up 3-1 on in the playoffs, and a win away from the finals. He literally joined the team that beat him. He couldn't beatem so he joined them.
Everyone that’s ok with that decision always omit that part of the situation and I don’t understand why. Losing a 3-1 lead is a big part of the problem with this situation for most people. As a competitor that mindset is hard to fathom.
No. LeBron is the guy who gets unfairly criticized. No matter what, it's never enough. If he wins, there's always an excuse why he won. If he loses, he gets destroyed no matter the circumstances. It's excuses for why he wins and no context for losses. KD gets just as much excuses as criticism. It's nothing BUT criticism for LeBron
lebron was carrying a bunch of role players with no second star in 2018 and was getting crucified like crazy but KD got swept against the celtics and it was swept under the rug so i completely agree with you
Bro you cooking rn bc everybody talks about how LeBron 4-6 in finals when you take time to realize the teams he DRAGGED to the finals would be lottery teams without him
The lebron that hasn't done more than MJ but many call him the GOAT anyway gets too much criticism? He's number 1 or 2 on everyone's list. He gets plenty of credit. Criticism comes with greatness period
@@fastlaneyp bro, what media you watching lol like 70% of people call MJ the GOAT, not LeBron. Some even have the nerve to put KOBE above him lmao. Only the EXTREME LeBron fans really go out of their way to call bron the GOAT. Most others don't
@@andrewhudson7092 It's not cause he's been there the longest and they have been hurt at different points. He's still never been able to lift the team without them being present.
Steph has been crowned the greatest 3ball shooter of all time and is pretty universally considered top 20 all time. But He’s never taken a bad team on a run and he’s been hurt a lot, and I think that takes a bit away. I got no hate for Steph, but o think he’s the media’s darling
hes speaking facts. Durant is one of the best. He doesnt have to prove anything. Making millions and also have his own shoes. People like to nitpick at the greats such as Lebron. People don't want to see Lebron passing Jordan as the GOAT.
warriors won a title before durant, warriors won a title after durant. the only time durant has won a title has been on the warriors, & practically any superstar could've joined that same team & had the same result. if he wins a title without joining the best team in the league, then he can get his props. until then, he deserves all the criticism in my opinion.
Been saying this and the same people that criticize steph for losing didn’t keep that same energy with kd and on top of that tried to give him all the credit for winning even though warriors simplified everything he needed to do Wiggins is a prime example everyone was calling him a bust warriors get him he instantly becomes one of the best 2 way players while shoot long threes at a high clip .. then steph goes on to dominate a team who kyrie and kd couldn’t get a game from
@@OscarUnrated when KD made his move he said (l'm summarizing): "if we want to blame him we should do bron". So the déduction is that he did like bron thinking it shouldn't be an issue. Since bron is loved for going to win with miami he should get the same love.
Unless kd pull a lebron and go back to okc and win a ring, he’ll never do enough. Every time he’ll choose a team that’s already ready made and experienced.
The word legacy is overworked and misused. Anyone talking about KD'S legacy just spits out that "latest thing to say". KD is still alive; most of the folks talking about HIS LEGACY don't know him and have no active part in it. Why do you care? Just watch him work and either enjoy or don't. He's doing his heart's passion. What's your legacy? Do you speak on YOURS? Make YOURS. Don't confuse your opinions of KD as being KD's legacy. That's your arrogance in play.
Kevin Durant can't even begin to understand "unfair" criticism. We all know who's REALLY unfairly criticized, and KD doesn't even get 1/10th the amount of hate he does.
KD was the best player on the team because it was so easy for him to play on an already historically great team Steph and Klay made it easy for him to do his thing because they are already so dangerous you can’t leave them open. It was a cake walk and the softest move in nba history and most likely will be forever.
So I guess it was easy for him in okc to because he put up basically the same numbers won 4 scoring titles and a mvp, your comment makes no sense it would make sense if he had mediocre numbers in okc and then his stats inflated in gs
@@joshuabailey2335 he played with Russell Westbrook 6 man James harden and prime serge ibaka Kendrick Perkins Derick fisher and more sure he played with nobodies on that team too lmfao 🤣
@@joshuabailey2335 plus Steph and klay don’t need the ball to be effective like Westbrook or harden, so yes it was a lot easier on the already 73-9 warriors
Lesean McCoy up here talking about competition and being a killer. A killer was up 3-1 on a 73 win team in the west finals, blew it, and joined that same team in the offseason??? That ain’t no killer. That’s an insecure man.
The problem with KD is he keeps yapping about how he's a god and hinting that he's the best player ever and so on. That's why people criticize him harshly. If he just said "I'm a great player" nobody would mind that. But putting yourself at the pinnacle of basketball means you're gonna get all the smoke and it's completely fair.
What alot of people miss is that MJ as the GOAT set a high standard and many people use that as a blueprint. LeBron, KD and other players get criticized fairly and unfairly by this standard. Context is important, people remember stories so KD's story is flawed compared to an MJ even though he is an all time great. Lebrons was flawed too until he went back to cleveland and made it right and won the hearts and respect of many who hated him.
Mj played decades ago there was no way subsequent generations were going to follow his blueprint. It would be like asking jordon live up to meet Bill Russel standard when both men faced different competition the landscape was different under different rules , hence why the standard automatically changes from era to era. In other words what worked in the 90s wont necessarily work today .
What can Kevin Durant do? Just lead a team ffs, dude is supposed to be an all time great yet he couldn’t lead a team to a brothel. Without Steph holding his hand what is he?
If he doesn’t want to be talked about greatness. Then he should be payed like one. If you’re demanding to be paid like you’re the best then this is what comes with it.
All y'all are disconnected af from reality. Nobody judges KD for JUST leaving Russ. He gets judged for leaving Russ because he sat there and told Russ literally, "its alright bro, we'll get them next year" and then jumped ship to them. It's calling Russ your BROTHER and then leaving him high and dry. Nobody told KD to call Russ his brother, nobody told KD to tell Russ on live TV that they were gunna get them next year. Nobody but you guys in the media, your friends not ours, roast him for leaving GSW. We 5 him because he said he wanted to build and lead his own team. His own words, nobody told him say that. But yet choose Kyrie to run with and let Kyrie run the show when he said he wanted to run it, which was why he was there. Now he's getting roasted for going to PHX because he failed to lead or even step up to lead in BKN, so instead, he wants to jump to a ready-made team again.
He literally didn’t answer the bell LAST SEASON, the man got swept and had the worst performance of his life! You can’t call a player so individually great but then refuse to hold them to the same standard as every other great player, which is being able to lead a team, he hasn’t done that.
It's simple. He took the easy way out. Let's not forget he had the ability to have a say in personnel in OKC and he decided not to be loyal and jump ship to the team that bounced him out of the playoffs the previous year. He was getting left behind in the conversations and as fragile as his mind is, did the most desperate thing he could think of and had an easy trip to the Finals for validation. That doesn't sit well with fans, he tried to copycat LeBron in order to increase his legacy but it did the exact opposite, it questioned his legacy, not to mention the train wreck that the Brooklyn Nets became when the franchise gave a player who's never been a leader and has no team building acumen all the power they could. That's why he's criticized. It's not questioning his ability, it's questioning is his superstar status legitimate or not. He's a great player but does he belong in the conversations of the greatest in the modern era..
Listening to Shady defend KD and Kyrie is like listening to a trump supporter on how good trump is. The problem with listening to this is that you can literally become dumber.
@@Keithwilsonjr757 This is something straight out of KD's mouth he said he doesn't want to be a leader he just want to play ball. That to me took him out of the running to be considered one of the greats
It’s strange, probably because hockey is such a team game but I never remember these conversations when ray bourque finally won with the aves or Hossa with Chicago etc
We never hear about hockey, soccer before or since the World Cup, baseball - all team sports. They just regurgitate the same stuff. Very lazy and boring!
Ray Bourque played 22 season on bad Bruins teams. He was the captain and the best player. His dedication and class was respected throughout the league and community. At the time the only teams winning Cups were the Red Wings and the Avalanche. Ray was traded in his 22nd year at the trade deadline to Colorado to finally win a Cup. They failed, then succeeded the next year, and Ray Bourque retired. Comparing his dedication to the Bruins vs Durant's leaving every time it gets hard is quite different if you ask me.
@@khele2k You missed the point. Hockey is considered one of the four major sports. Yet coverage is negligible. Sports shows cover the same teams and players, saying the same thing over and over again. For the salary that they make they should do better and we should demand better from them.
KD haters try to diminish the great things he’s done, went to the finals in his early 20s, was in the western conference finals basically every year he was healthy on the Thunder. The West at that time was far more heavily stacked than the East. KD has been the best player on every team he’s been on and he’s played for a few great teams
I have to admit I hated KD his whole career. Then I started watching him on podcast and I really like this dude. He's smart AF. And seems really chill. Just seems like he doesn't play any bs.
All Prince James lovers hate KD because he destroyed Prince James two finals in a row. Prince James lovers also hate Kyrie, Kobe and MJ, can't stand you clowns.
I loved him in okc. "The real mvp" period. Then he joined gsw and I lost all respect lol. Steph vs Bron rivalry was going to propel the league forward too
@@ryankayombya7576 There was no Steph vs Bron rivalry. It was Bron vs Warriors, especially when the Warriors were up 3-1, then lost. Why aren't ppl saying the Splash Bros and Dray's 2 rings with KD are bogus???
Its clear they wanted to take the easy way out and recruit him to the team. If you're saying that KD didn't want to work for the ring, well neither did they. Otherwise Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Iggy wouldn't have showed up alongside Kerr to convince KD to play for them. So yall can sit here all day and say that the Warriors were a great team. Obviously they didn't think they were good enough to run it back. Well never know whether KD wouldve tried to join the Warriors on his own because the Warriors approached him first
people are just haters in general, it still bothers me that cp3 gets absolutely no love from the fans or the media, he’s an all time PG and people judge him for not having a ring, how many greats were there without a ring, savage 21 ALOT.
I don't think she gave a bad take because she's not WRONG, but I do think she is being a little disingenuous. KD's past isn't forgotten. It's not talked about because people don't have any argument toward it. Like you said, what's talked about are the things he fell short on. Like every other superstar does LOL so yeah
KD is an all time great player, but he’s kinda stuck in the top 15ish range (14th or 15th) until he proves that he can win as the leader, when LeBron won his 2 chips in Miami, his legacy wasn’t cemented yet. He had to be the leader AND best player to cement his legacy and leapfrog other greats. Same with KD, if he did what LeBron did in Cleveland and LA, he may climb the all time great ladder significantly. We know KD’s struggles without GSW, 2013 WCSF vs Memphis was a bad series and shot 36% from the field and 67% from the FT Line. 2016 was the 3-1 series chokejob against GSW, and then last year in 2022, KD was terrible against Boston and got swept?
Y’all hate on KD unfairly. All you focus on are his shortcomings, but he has many crazy accomplishments and just from the eye test alone he is a top 5 player ever
How many great teams win without good qb? Look at 2012 Chicago Bears. No one says his teammates were bums without him, football is a team sport, but Qb is the centerpiece. It takes players like Brady, Montana, Mahomes to win repeatedly. Before Brady helped Bucks become champions, all the media talking head said it's all Belichick's mastermind and you can put anyone with Patriots and still win, now are more in agreement that Brady is a big part of that legacy.
Every great players in the top 15, and 10 get criticized all the time. That’s how we separate and rank these players. KD replaced Harrison Barnes on the 73 win Warriors team. Which made them unbeatable. Remember that KD Thunders were up 1-3 vs Golden State in the western Conference Finals and KD ended up choking in the WCF against the Warriors. The next season he joins the team that beat him in the previous year in the playoffs. If you can’t beat them, you joins them.
Acho doesn’t understand without the championships kd still has great accomplishments. With Brady belicheck had a losing record that is a fact. He has no playoff wins without Brady
Agree with all of you!!! K D needs to do what he does...and may the chips fall where they fall. Just be and DO KD!!!! For get about the rest....all of who are criticizing ain;t on the court!!!! Bottomline!!!
people saying the warriors couldn't win without kd is tiring; they literally lost in 7 games and barely; they didnt NEED kevin durant they wanted him to make them invincible
@@ajwysopal they were head and shoulders above everybody else except lebron and kyrie lmao; if draymond didnt get suspended they probably wouldn't have even went to game 7 just won in 6 lmao
Thank you everyone except Acho knew what they were talking Abt ppl say that KD went w/o mentioning the fact that the flew to KD's crib begging him to join like come on now KD was the best player on their team then and I hope he gets a chance to see them in the playoffs 🙏🏽 he'll annihilate gsw 💯
After losing the 3-1 lead to GS his goal should have been to annihilate them. KD didn’t need them to be great they needed him. That’s why he get criticized. What he doing now is what he should have done in the first place.
Why don't people ever think that if KD was in LeBron's Cavs team and LeBron was with the warriors, KD would never be able to win against GSW like LeBron won against them once.
Sorry only media critized KD but most and majority of the people who love basketball KD is one of the great! KD is the only one perfect missing piece of every team.
The problem with 96% of people who talk sports is that they don't look at athletes as elite contractors and it shows. Most people who talk about this stuff will never know what it's like to be the top 1% of your profession in the world. They approach it as fanatics with emotion. In any other profession the best work collab the best .How come none of these talking heads stayed where they 1st started at and tried to elevate the local TV station to greatness? Coaches, GMs try to assemble the best teams possible to keep their job. If you have money to go to the best doctors, you're not gonna go to an avg hospital and hope the doctor elevates the nurses and staff! People especially media criticize KD because he's a rival to Bron, and when the media was mad at Bron going to Miami and tried elevating D Rose and KD over Bron, he never changed. Then when the media insulted Kobe, and he stood up for Kobe, him and the media relationship was never the same. People criticize KD off of their emotions and not on his game, just like Kobe
The only knock on KD is that he has ALWAYS been on a super team. Okc with harden, Russ and ibaka was a super team too but every player has something to minimize their achievements
Now if y'all giving KD a pass make sure yall judge Lebron James the same way, but my question is why is Lebron James held to a higher standard than most people in the NBA?🤔
he joined a team that HAD the best record the year prior... y'all act like he joined them in the finals the 73-9 year... the MEDIA narratives is RUINING how we look at basketball because of all the COMPARISONS... "comparison is the thief of joy" I learned that from YALL specifically..
Btw, look up a guy named Tom chambers just to answer Shady Mc’s question we’ve seen a player like Kd before he was a 6”10 white guy who played for phoenix who averaged 20-10 something Kd has never done in a season.
Every since KD snapped on the media they try their best to only speak positive about him 😂 KD is the 2nd best player of the generation who went & joined the best team of our generation. That’s like Jordan joining the showtime Lakers or the 86 Celtics. Like SAS say. Weakest move by a superstar in any sport all time. He deserves the criticism
Yeah because Golden State call him to come and the same person every team having problems with Westbrook KD had him and took him to the finals nobody else did that but Kevin Durant
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Are we forgetting his 3-1 loss? Last years performance against the Celtics?
add blowing the 3-1 lead on those said warriors he joined in 2016
@@kbdemonbain4568are you slow? He literally already said that
Are you forgetting LeBron's not so veiled overtures toward the Warriors, Steph in particular?
Lebron was trying to recruit steph because he was available for free agency the following year and steph stay 10 toes down.
@@rickylukecage4215 LeBron courted Steph, a Warrior, who beat LBJ's Cavs 3 out 4 Championships. Mind you this was when LBJ was moving to Lakers after overtures to Warriors failed.
Man don’t nobody defend KD more than the Media
Huhhhh lol no they don’t
Who lied bro lmaooo
Lol sense when
Facts 😂😂😂 he doesn’t get near the criticism that LeBron gets
I mean why the criticism tho? Everybody knows he moves to the best of his own drum. Yea we expect more from a player with his talent. But he’ll never have the career to equate that. So why bother talking about it.
Bro ppl wouldnt be discrediting him if we won a chip on okc or brooklyn. Acho is the only one on here that gets it
My problem was him going to the team that came back n beat him to me it didn't matter it was golden state or not
That makes as much sense as if Acho discredited Klay, Dray, and Steph for not winning a chip by themselves elsewhere.
It's hard enough winning a chip without randoms who have won nothing talking as if they've done something.
Acho needed a ghost writer for his book! Does that mean the NY Times' accolades don't count? Are those book sales fake? Should he write his own book before we give him credit?
We saw KD do work. We didn't see Acho writing. 🤔 Think about that‼️
@@joyce2680 acho used a ghostwriter???
KD is absolutely NOT unfairly criticized. It's all fair, much like with every other superstar. Both on and off the court is in the line of fire. It comes with the territory. Behavior towards media is also criticized. He claims it's unfair because he dug himself a hole too deep. Had he not gotten snippy at golden state after two rings and then continued to be so, more than likely the criticism wouldn't be nearly as bad, but it still wouldn't be unfair.
I think it's blowback from the LeBron/media aura. Where everything he does has to be scrutinized with the finest toothed comb. Joining a team that beat his team up 3-1...👀 If LeBron lost to Golden State and joined them, we'd never hear the end of it. The criticism is fair on a micro level, but his individual greatness is set.
Lebron losing to an all time great team in warriors don’t compare to kd losing to them blowing a lead people in general try to say weird arguments to discredit him already but all the criticism is fair the only rings he’s gotten was with the warriors but y’all use kd as an argument to discredit steph even though he won before with him and after y’all will give kd all the flowers even though he literally ain’t have to earned them any good small toward coulda replace kd at that spot and the outcome woulda been the same
@@josephbryant1666 The Warriors were up 3-1 when LeBron blew up their world! THEN PUT ON "THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR" TEE SHIRT‼️They ran after KD. LeBron wanted KD and Kawhi to go to the Lakers and help him win more rings! No one's talking about that.
Acho was preaching in this segment! My god. We can’t just ignore how KD went to gsw lol that’s literally like lebron going to the celtics after they beat him 😭
Thank you!!! Cause people use the Heat comparison and I'm like I'm sorry the Heat were 5th in the East and were eliminates in the first round. They weren't the team with 73 wins and got to the finals
Prince James started in all...
@@nobleskywalker4639 73 wins means nothing. They never even won 70 games with KD. Prince James lovers were just butthurt that they couldn't beat them and they only want LeBron to be able to stack the deck with star players.
@@itshihoexactly
As someone who lived in the OKC market he didn't perform well in big games on a regular basis. Maybe it was the coaching, Russ, or something else going on but he wasn't able to consistently play well too many 8 foot jumpers clanging when he was open. OKC isn't the easiest place to live for someone from DC and maybe it impacted his play
KD replaced Harrison Barnes and Rick acting like they lost the whole roster 😂
Replace Barnes Bogut gone and the Bench.. Dude go look at 73 roster Vs KD GS roster.. Clear difference
@@jvtopflight796 Bogut and Barnes are the only two players that left that played any sort of significant minutes. Sorta Barbosa. KD replacing those guys pretty clearly is still a massive improvement. The two key bench players were Iggy and Livingston and both those guys were still on the team, and Zaza replaced Bogut.
@@Atlantafan21 You just name four players lol.. That's not a simple Barnes for KD swap.. That's 2 STARTERS and 2 key bench guys lol
@@jvtopflight796 I named 3 players, 2 starters and one bench player who wasn’t that significant. I said they KEPT their two key bench players in Livingston and Iggy. KD is light years better than Barnes, who happened to be a big reason as to why they lost to the cavs in the first place. Zaza basically replaced Boguts production. Every other player change was inconsequential. They basically kept their top 5 players while adding in a top 5 player in the league and a big man that filled in fine for the only other hole.
They lost 6 or 7 players for KD go look
What was omitted was that he joined a team that he was up 3-1 on in the playoffs, and a win away from the finals. He literally joined the team that beat him. He couldn't beatem so he joined them.
Everyone that’s ok with that decision always omit that part of the situation and I don’t understand why. Losing a 3-1 lead is a big part of the problem with this situation for most people. As a competitor that mindset is hard to fathom.
No. LeBron is the guy who gets unfairly criticized. No matter what, it's never enough. If he wins, there's always an excuse why he won. If he loses, he gets destroyed no matter the circumstances. It's excuses for why he wins and no context for losses. KD gets just as much excuses as criticism. It's nothing BUT criticism for LeBron
lebron was carrying a bunch of role players with no second star in 2018 and was getting crucified like crazy but KD got swept against the celtics and it was swept under the rug so i completely agree with you
Bro you cooking rn bc everybody talks about how LeBron 4-6 in finals when you take time to realize the teams he DRAGGED to the finals would be lottery teams without him
The lebron that hasn't done more than MJ but many call him the GOAT anyway gets too much criticism? He's number 1 or 2 on everyone's list. He gets plenty of credit. Criticism comes with greatness period
The Media talk negative about LBJ an KD what they gonna talk about once they retired
@@fastlaneyp bro, what media you watching lol like 70% of people call MJ the GOAT, not LeBron. Some even have the nerve to put KOBE above him lmao. Only the EXTREME LeBron fans really go out of their way to call bron the GOAT. Most others don't
The media does every slick move possible to discredit Steph lol
That is why I don't pay attention to these so called experts all they I'd find time to make up nonsense to talk about
Steph have not done anything outside the Warriors core and depth.
@@damianpresha9833 well he’s never played for a different organization… so that’s a dumb statement
@@andrewhudson7092 It's not cause he's been there the longest and they have been hurt at different points. He's still never been able to lift the team without them being present.
Steph has been crowned the greatest 3ball shooter of all time and is pretty universally considered top 20 all time. But He’s never taken a bad team on a run and he’s been hurt a lot, and I think that takes a bit away. I got no hate for Steph, but o think he’s the media’s darling
Man it's hard to hear shady speak over Durant in his mouth
hes speaking facts. Durant is one of the best. He doesnt have to prove anything. Making millions and also have his own shoes. People like to nitpick at the greats such as Lebron. People don't want to see Lebron passing Jordan as the GOAT.
Kd had kyrie on his team & got swept by the Celtics !!!!! Why no one talk about it more
Steph & Lebron got criticized while meeting in the finals every year KD doesn’t get criticized enough if you ask me
Lol they skipped & hopped right over that point
Facts
KD is legit the most protected super star ever to be honest 😂
Not a bad roster to roll with over the years 6 or 7 hall of famers
warriors won a title before durant, warriors won a title after durant. the only time durant has won a title has been on the warriors, & practically any superstar could've joined that same team & had the same result. if he wins a title without joining the best team in the league, then he can get his props. until then, he deserves all the criticism in my opinion.
Been saying this and the same people that criticize steph for losing didn’t keep that same energy with kd and on top of that tried to give him all the credit for winning even though warriors simplified everything he needed to do Wiggins is a prime example everyone was calling him a bust warriors get him he instantly becomes one of the best 2 way players while shoot long threes at a high clip .. then steph goes on to dominate a team who kyrie and kd couldn’t get a game from
Acho was cooking !!!!💯
Acho the only one making sense 😂 rare w
Acho laid out and iron-clad argument with this one 💯
Not at all. Just bias with misleading data. Don't be fooled or foolish. Even his boy, Shady rejected his premise.
KD is nothing without Steph. You can tell the story of the NBA without KD, but you can’t without Steph
KD wanted to be loved like LeBron but he didn't have the same degree of difficulty for his chips like bron.
Miami chips weren’t difficult
@@gmurder13905 yes they were not but KD chips were easier than LeBron miami.
@@gmurder13905 beating kd and an all time great spurs team weren’t difficult?
who said he wanted to be loved like lebron? His actions say otherwise. Lebron is also one of the most hated
@@OscarUnrated when KD made his move he said (l'm summarizing): "if we want to blame him we should do bron". So the déduction is that he did like bron thinking it shouldn't be an issue. Since bron is loved for going to win with miami he should get the same love.
Lebron doesn’t get these same excuses that the media makes for Kd people need to stop that
Unless kd pull a lebron and go back to okc and win a ring, he’ll never do enough. Every time he’ll choose a team that’s already ready made and experienced.
and this right here is proving his point. Well done.
At this point its too late he couldve did it with Brooklyn but now its over. He has to deal with it now.....
The man KD went from saying on twitter he’d never leave okc and “I just wanna hoop”
To
Not caring about his legacy
I’m dead
The word legacy is overworked and misused. Anyone talking about KD'S legacy just spits out that "latest thing to say". KD is still alive; most of the folks talking about HIS LEGACY don't know him and have no active part in it. Why do you care? Just watch him work and either enjoy or don't. He's doing his heart's passion.
What's your legacy? Do you speak on YOURS? Make YOURS. Don't confuse your opinions of KD as being KD's legacy. That's your arrogance in play.
Kevin Durant can't even begin to understand "unfair" criticism. We all know who's REALLY unfairly criticized, and KD doesn't even get 1/10th the amount of hate he does.
Mr. Glass without a hairbrush
KD was the best player on the team because it was so easy for him to play on an already historically great team Steph and Klay made it easy for him to do his thing because they are already so dangerous you can’t leave them open. It was a cake walk and the softest move in nba history and most likely will be forever.
So I guess it was easy for him in okc to because he put up basically the same numbers won 4 scoring titles and a mvp, your comment makes no sense it would make sense if he had mediocre numbers in okc and then his stats inflated in gs
@@joshuabailey2335 he played with Russell Westbrook 6 man James harden and prime serge ibaka Kendrick Perkins Derick fisher and more sure he played with nobodies on that team too lmfao 🤣
@@joshuabailey2335 plus Steph and klay don’t need the ball to be effective like Westbrook or harden, so yes it was a lot easier on the already 73-9 warriors
@@raymonddiaz2254 once you inserted Kendrick Perkins and old Derek fisher in your argument you are just reaching now bro have good a good night
@@raymonddiaz2254 and another thing you know for a fact Westbrook was not then what he eventually turned out to be so stop it
Acho just graduated! I don’t know from what but when you one vs three in this argument and your smoking d three all the way like that ?
I wished people defended Bron like this
Lesean McCoy up here talking about competition and being a killer. A killer was up 3-1 on a 73 win team in the west finals, blew it, and joined that same team in the offseason???
That ain’t no killer. That’s an insecure man.
The problem with KD is he keeps yapping about how he's a god and hinting that he's the best player ever and so on. That's why people criticize him harshly. If he just said "I'm a great player" nobody would mind that. But putting yourself at the pinnacle of basketball means you're gonna get all the smoke and it's completely fair.
I've never heard KD say that ever
What alot of people miss is that MJ as the GOAT set a high standard and many people use that as a blueprint. LeBron, KD and other players get criticized fairly and unfairly by this standard. Context is important, people remember stories so KD's story is flawed compared to an MJ even though he is an all time great. Lebrons was flawed too until he went back to cleveland and made it right and won the hearts and respect of many who hated him.
That Cleveland ring helped lebron a lot
@@showtime2454 yup
Mj played decades ago there was no way subsequent generations were going to follow his blueprint. It would be like asking jordon live up to meet Bill Russel standard when both men faced different competition the landscape was different under different rules , hence why the standard automatically changes from era to era. In other words what worked in the 90s wont necessarily work today .
@@ryanr20091 I go by era's MJ 90s Kobe 2000s Lebron 2010s MJ the overall goat in my opinion I didn't watch Bill Russell 11 💍
@@ryanr20091 MJ would average 45 a game in today's NBA
Shady calling kd "God" 🤦♂️ should replace him/bring back dave asap 😂
What can Kevin Durant do? Just lead a team ffs, dude is supposed to be an all time great yet he couldn’t lead a team to a brothel. Without Steph holding his hand what is he?
If he doesn’t want to be talked about greatness. Then he should be payed like one. If you’re demanding to be paid like you’re the best then this is what comes with it.
All y'all are disconnected af from reality. Nobody judges KD for JUST leaving Russ. He gets judged for leaving Russ because he sat there and told Russ literally, "its alright bro, we'll get them next year" and then jumped ship to them.
It's calling Russ your BROTHER and then leaving him high and dry. Nobody told KD to call Russ his brother, nobody told KD to tell Russ on live TV that they were gunna get them next year.
Nobody but you guys in the media, your friends not ours, roast him for leaving GSW. We 5 him because he said he wanted to build and lead his own team. His own words, nobody told him say that. But yet choose Kyrie to run with and let Kyrie run the show when he said he wanted to run it, which was why he was there.
Now he's getting roasted for going to PHX because he failed to lead or even step up to lead in BKN, so instead, he wants to jump to a ready-made team again.
He literally didn’t answer the bell LAST SEASON, the man got swept and had the worst performance of his life!
You can’t call a player so individually great but then refuse to hold them to the same standard as every other great player, which is being able to lead a team, he hasn’t done that.
If KD always answers the bell, what happened against Boston last year when they got swept? 🤔
It's simple. He took the easy way out. Let's not forget he had the ability to have a say in personnel in OKC and he decided not to be loyal and jump ship to the team that bounced him out of the playoffs the previous year. He was getting left behind in the conversations and as fragile as his mind is, did the most desperate thing he could think of and had an easy trip to the Finals for validation. That doesn't sit well with fans, he tried to copycat LeBron in order to increase his legacy but it did the exact opposite, it questioned his legacy, not to mention the train wreck that the Brooklyn Nets became when the franchise gave a player who's never been a leader and has no team building acumen all the power they could. That's why he's criticized. It's not questioning his ability, it's questioning is his superstar status legitimate or not. He's a great player but does he belong in the conversations of the greatest in the modern era..
Listening to Shady defend KD and Kyrie is like listening to a trump supporter on how good trump is. The problem with listening to this is that you can literally become dumber.
He says he does not want to be a leader that in my book says a lot about him
Everyone is not cut out to be a leader tho
@@Keithwilsonjr757 Yes but all the greats did not run from it Jordan, Bird, Kobe the list goes on
@@Keithwilsonjr757 This is something straight out of KD's mouth he said he doesn't want to be a leader he just want to play ball. That to me took him out of the running to be considered one of the greats
I miss Marcellus
kd has no rings
It’s strange, probably because hockey is such a team game but I never remember these conversations when ray bourque finally won with the aves or Hossa with Chicago etc
We never hear about hockey, soccer before or since the World Cup, baseball - all team sports.
They just regurgitate the same stuff. Very lazy and boring!
Ray Bourque played 22 season on bad Bruins teams. He was the captain and the best player. His dedication and class was respected throughout the league and community. At the time the only teams winning Cups were the Red Wings and the Avalanche. Ray was traded in his 22nd year at the trade deadline to Colorado to finally win a Cup. They failed, then succeeded the next year, and Ray Bourque retired.
Comparing his dedication to the Bruins vs Durant's leaving every time it gets hard is quite different if you ask me.
@@khele2k You missed the point.
Hockey is considered one of the four major sports. Yet coverage is negligible. Sports shows cover the same teams and players, saying the same thing over and over again.
For the salary that they make they should do better and we should demand better from them.
Good defense of KD by shady
KD haters try to diminish the great things he’s done, went to the finals in his early 20s, was in the western conference finals basically every year he was healthy on the Thunder. The West at that time was far more heavily stacked than the East. KD has been the best player on every team he’s been on and he’s played for a few great teams
11:30 wtf is he talking about they lost a lot of pieces, ya bench guys they kept steph,klay,green,iguadola all still there
I have to admit I hated KD his whole career. Then I started watching him on podcast and I really like this dude. He's smart AF. And seems really chill. Just seems like he doesn't play any bs.
All Prince James lovers hate KD because he destroyed Prince James two finals in a row. Prince James lovers also hate Kyrie, Kobe and MJ, can't stand you clowns.
I loved him in okc. "The real mvp" period. Then he joined gsw and I lost all respect lol. Steph vs Bron rivalry was going to propel the league forward too
@@ryankayombya7576 There was no Steph vs Bron rivalry. It was Bron vs Warriors, especially when the Warriors were up 3-1, then lost. Why aren't ppl saying the Splash Bros and Dray's 2 rings with KD are bogus???
@@joyce2680 idiot it was cavs vs warriors…
Acho SMOKED this segment!
Joy was on point. Can’t convince me otherwise
EVERYONE FORGETS. HOW GREAT STEPH AND CLAY WERE , MAKING IT EASY FOR KD..THERE WERE 31 OTHER TEAMS HE COULD'VE JOINED...
Its clear they wanted to take the easy way out and recruit him to the team. If you're saying that KD didn't want to work for the ring, well neither did they. Otherwise Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Iggy wouldn't have showed up alongside Kerr to convince KD to play for them. So yall can sit here all day and say that the Warriors were a great team. Obviously they didn't think they were good enough to run it back. Well never know whether KD wouldve tried to join the Warriors on his own because the Warriors approached him first
@@tashied422 omg thank you Acho was trying hard asl to discredit KD and gsw fans act like he did nothing for them🤦🏽♂️
people are just haters in general, it still bothers me that cp3 gets absolutely no love from the fans or the media, he’s an all time PG and people judge him for not having a ring, how many greats were there without a ring, savage 21 ALOT.
Wait, so people should all just be dickriders??
First time Joy gave a bad take ever. Everyone knows what it is just trying to stay on his good side. Him and Kyrie got swept first round stop it.
I don't think she gave a bad take because she's not WRONG, but I do think she is being a little disingenuous. KD's past isn't forgotten. It's not talked about because people don't have any argument toward it. Like you said, what's talked about are the things he fell short on. Like every other superstar does LOL so yeah
This time around Acho got off!
I just wish this was Lebron to say he doesn’t care about his legacy
GS before KD won because Bron had Delly as his 2nd best player.. So we just gone ignore that 🤣🤣
Joys favourite word on this topic: suffering. Can‘t hear it anymore
It’s because she formulate a coherent argument
"Hello!"
Get em shady 😂😂
KD is an all time great player, but he’s kinda stuck in the top 15ish range (14th or 15th) until he proves that he can win as the leader, when LeBron won his 2 chips in Miami, his legacy wasn’t cemented yet. He had to be the leader AND best player to cement his legacy and leapfrog other greats. Same with KD, if he did what LeBron did in Cleveland and LA, he may climb the all time great ladder significantly.
We know KD’s struggles without GSW, 2013 WCSF vs Memphis was a bad series and shot 36% from the field and 67% from the FT Line. 2016 was the 3-1 series chokejob against GSW, and then last year in 2022, KD was terrible against Boston and got swept?
Y’all hate on KD unfairly. All you focus on are his shortcomings, but he has many crazy accomplishments and just from the eye test alone he is a top 5 player ever
Acho ain’t the same w/o Wiley but he was on point with his take
Wiley doing his thing on his podcast
@@jumahbrady670 it’s one of the best out there
@@phillysimpson7341 facts 💯
Acho is a really good debater lol
the bucs literally had two pro bowl caliber wr& a top 10 defense but nobody points that out
Exactly!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏 Because it's Tom Brady. 🙄🙄😒😒😑😑
How many great teams win without good qb? Look at 2012 Chicago Bears. No one says his teammates were bums without him, football is a team sport, but Qb is the centerpiece. It takes players like Brady, Montana, Mahomes to win repeatedly. Before Brady helped Bucks become champions, all the media talking head said it's all Belichick's mastermind and you can put anyone with Patriots and still win, now are more in agreement that Brady is a big part of that legacy.
Every great players in the top 15, and 10 get criticized all the time. That’s how we separate and rank these players. KD replaced Harrison Barnes on the 73 win Warriors team. Which made them unbeatable. Remember that KD Thunders were up 1-3 vs Golden State in the western Conference Finals and KD ended up choking in the WCF against the Warriors. The next season he joins the team that beat him in the previous year in the playoffs. If you can’t beat them, you joins them.
Acho doesn’t understand without the championships kd still has great accomplishments. With Brady belicheck had a losing record that is a fact. He has no playoff wins without Brady
Kevin Durant is definately one of the basketball gods
Agree with all of you!!! K D needs to do what he does...and may the chips fall where they fall. Just be and DO KD!!!! For get about the rest....all of who are criticizing ain;t on the court!!!! Bottomline!!!
Joy got a strong face....
Joy Taylor making Billy Madison sound like a Rhodes Scholar
people saying the warriors couldn't win without kd is tiring; they literally lost in 7 games and barely; they didnt NEED kevin durant they wanted him to make them invincible
Exactly ! For crying out loud they had them down 3-1
@@eimajvl bro the Shannon barfe fan boys made that narrative up if lefraud doesn’t snitch none of this nonsense happens
They wouldn't have won without kd on those two chips tho. Stop lying.
@@ajwysopal no one cares that ur a bum get out of here
@@ajwysopal they were head and shoulders above everybody else except lebron and kyrie lmao; if draymond didnt get suspended they probably wouldn't have even went to game 7 just won in 6 lmao
Thank you everyone except Acho knew what they were talking Abt ppl say that KD went w/o mentioning the fact that the flew to KD's crib begging him to join like come on now KD was the best player on their team then and I hope he gets a chance to see them in the playoffs 🙏🏽 he'll annihilate gsw 💯
After losing the 3-1 lead to GS his goal should have been to annihilate them. KD didn’t need them to be great they needed him. That’s why he get criticized. What he doing now is what he should have done in the first place.
@@Youngnice314 if KD when another chip outside of gsw I just don't know what else ppl could say shii would be pure hate at that point
He's not criticized enough.
Acho was spittin' facts here.
Acho swept the table.
That KD hate won’t last Forever ♾️
The Warriors lost like 8 players to join the Warriors...that is NOT joining the 73 win team. It's a TOTALLY different team.
I find it funny trying to justify JD joining the Warriors, putting together the nets & joining the Suns.. Like what are we doing lmao
Why don't people ever think that if KD was in LeBron's Cavs team and LeBron was with the warriors, KD would never be able to win against GSW like LeBron won against them once.
Where's David Helman? He hasn't been on the show for weeks?
What? KD is handled with kid gloves. If LJ did the same things KD did people people would be posting nastygrams on the daily
Sorry only media critized KD but most and majority of the people who love basketball KD is one of the great! KD is the only one perfect missing piece of every team.
The problem with 96% of people who talk sports is that they don't look at athletes as elite contractors and it shows. Most people who talk about this stuff will never know what it's like to be the top 1% of your profession in the world. They approach it as fanatics with emotion. In any other profession the best work collab the best .How come none of these talking heads stayed where they 1st started at and tried to elevate the local TV station to greatness? Coaches, GMs try to assemble the best teams possible to keep their job. If you have money to go to the best doctors, you're not gonna go to an avg hospital and hope the doctor elevates the nurses and staff! People especially media criticize KD because he's a rival to Bron, and when the media was mad at Bron going to Miami and tried elevating D Rose and KD over Bron, he never changed. Then when the media insulted Kobe, and he stood up for Kobe, him and the media relationship was never the same. People criticize KD off of their emotions and not on his game, just like Kobe
Acho the only person that and slobbing on KD.
If you factor out injuries, KD would have far more accolades and likely another 2 rings
The only knock on KD is that he has ALWAYS been on a super team. Okc with harden, Russ and ibaka was a super team too but every player has something to minimize their achievements
He had everything he needed in Brooklyn this yr was actually looking good and boom. Blew it all up.
who blew it up? just think about it again
Now if y'all giving KD a pass make sure yall judge Lebron James the same way, but my question is why is Lebron James held to a higher standard than most people in the NBA?🤔
he joined a team that HAD the best record the year prior... y'all act like he joined them in the finals the 73-9 year... the MEDIA narratives is RUINING how we look at basketball because of all the COMPARISONS... "comparison is the thief of joy" I learned that from YALL specifically..
Andy Reid is the best football coach of all time to me 🏈
I critize Acho but mans was in his element
The media blamed Westbrook for KD not winning in OKC. The media gives him a pass
Btw, look up a guy named Tom chambers just to answer Shady Mc’s question we’ve seen a player like Kd before he was a 6”10 white guy who played for phoenix who averaged 20-10 something Kd has never done in a season.
Every since KD snapped on the media they try their best to only speak positive about him 😂 KD is the 2nd best player of the generation who went & joined the best team of our generation. That’s like Jordan joining the showtime Lakers or the 86 Celtics. Like SAS say. Weakest move by a superstar in any sport all time. He deserves the criticism
We’ve always known it was shaq that carried Kobe 2k24 seems to have changed a narrative that has always been consistent.
That lady is beautiful and she right about KD
Shady sticking up for kd because he knows his super bowls count even less than durants
Lol man's got one with Brady and Maholmes
LeBron is unfairly criticized. Steph is unfairly criticized.
I have no respect for any of those speaking about this because they all criticize LeBron James and what he did wasn’t nowhere near what KD did.
True but LeBron is such a poser it puts people off
We comparing brady winning 6 superbowls in new england to kd winning on the warriors now? SMH
Yeah because Golden State call him to come and the same person every team having problems with Westbrook KD had him and took him to the finals nobody else did that but Kevin Durant