Thanks to everyone who watched this all the way through and understood the points I was discussing. It's something I feel passionate about, and although I have no stake in SF90, as a Ferrari customer, it is still my place to talk about how I feel about the company. So glad you have supported this episode by watching it.
They do this because... Im a games designer and we do the same thing. Launch a big game, then 3 months later, we launch extra content for it. Because then there is a new round of media-hype, a new round of awareness for the product, a new round of press releases, reviews in magazines. Same for cars. The magazines want to do all the tests. The entire media circus is on it again. And thats good for shareholders, investors, everybody shows up for release parties, free drinks, patting each other on the back, and hype.
@@captain_context9991 maybe... But unlike game’s developers Ferrari haven’t delivered the car into production because building and delivering a Ferrari is nothing like a game... Games don’t have NCAP and Euro regulations to meet first. Games just get debugged and released. They don’t depend on factory production lines. So your comparison logic is way off...
@@antonygriffiths6764 I think perhaps you dont know much about the car industry OR games industry. Its very similar. I got my university degree for the car industry, but work with games.
Hello Damien I watch your channel regularly and you say give it beans. I don’t understand what you mean by beans all the time. Sorry about this I am from Pakistan 🇵🇰 so don’t understand everything. Do you mean Heinz baked beans
I said a similar thing last week to Car Guys. I’d be Fucking Ferrari dealerships off and be buying slightly older ones. The prize of owning the newest Ferrari is a nice thing but Ferrari are making that impossible. I would not be pandering to Ferrari. I’d be buying older Ferraris anyway,
There so many amazing spec cars out there on the used market at huge savings why suck up to the salesmen in the showrooms begging for delivery slots. They are glorified estate agents who think they are holding your bollocks ! Fuck them !
It used to be a special and rare moment when a new Ferrari was announced. Something everyone was excited about. Now you think 'another one? Meh...' even though the cars themselves may still be great. So I understand what you mean... I am also a long time Ferrari fan, although not in a position to own one but I feel the same way.
They are trying to get out as many cars as they can before 2025 when a lot of poor countries signed on to the Paris agreement and gas cars will be heavily phased out . The USA backed out of that economy crippling agreement . Probably why we got cars first.
@@tt55k well even though climate conservation is important I don't agree with getting rid of ICE ,it's not poor countries or economic crippling decision ,it's important for the future
@@anandpushkar7510 , if it was not for the devastation of the rain forests of the world we would be Ina great place, as far as climate change goes there is no real proof of it , yes there are scientific shills out there that cry about climate change but all in all it is a hoax to suck more money from the people . There is the ability to create weather but the wrong people are in control of it , they use it to create drought and massive hurricanes, they could use it to end drought but there is no money in that , there is a lot of money to be had in taxing everyone for carbon though .
@@tt55k what planet are you living on because it certainly isn't the same one as the rest of us. What a load of drivel you spout. Climate change doesn't exist. Really just look at the evidence that global warming is accelerating faster than any other period in our history. And this is coming from a dyed in the wool petrol head. I love N/A combustion engines cars with a manual gearbox, but the facts and science say otherwise.. It'll be a nasty cold day in hell when these cars disappear but disappear they must. It's called progress and climate change limitation. Get on board or follow the other conspiracy nutcases over the cliff....Enough said...End of..
You’re all slightly missing the point. Bring it down a few levels. Which mobiles phones do you own? iPhone 12 or the latest Samsung? Why did you buy it and not ‘just’ wait for the iPhone 13? Ferrari have released the iPhone 13 before the iPhone 12 is even available to buy in the shops...
I agree. I think its already starting to bite them. Alot of their loyal fans are starting to get more and more vocal about their recent experiences and its not looking good. Also their performances in F1 have been shocking
I think if something is beautiful, and it moves you emotionally, and you have the means to purchase it - then nothing should hold you back. If the SF90 stirs your heart, buy it.
I think Ferrari are doing this before we lose the combustion engine in the next 20 years. Trying to cash in before everything turns electric. Take away the engines from Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche and they're all going to be the same. The engines of all the different marques are the identity of the brands
Hi guys. I love your show. On a positive note: I have a 2020 812 hard top. I waited one year to receive the car. It is solid. A truly amazing car. I like the lines better then the GTS. So, as rare as they are, no big deal in the long-term regarding resale. I am waiting (8 months so far) for a Red basic SF-90. My MSRP will be $700K. In the end, some people like a coupe, some like a convertible. I have a milder convertible I won’t mention. These cars are rare and will go up in value long-term. I agree Ferrari has no clue about spacing things out. They screw-up often. But, wait and see. Hopefully they slow things down. Thanks for the fun, informative show.
2016 was the pinnacle of the autosport industry: F12 TDF, 458 Speciales, 991 Turbo S, Chiron, Agera RS, Huracan etc. Pure madness. BTW What would Enzo say? Happy to say that even though the 488 and F8s have been released, my 458 speciale is still a dream, need nothing else in life.
I know the 288GTO is extremely rare, but I would love to see one on this channel. I'm sure we all secretly hoped it would be the F40 replacement. This is my go to video after a hard day at work ruclips.net/video/irWtU3Q6kOA/видео.html
I'm 110% with you on this. As someone who will probably never be buying a new ferrari, I am a huge fan of the cars. They are special, you are buying into a specialist club of low volume special vehicles. If you go out to buy their "newest" model then YES I firmly believe you should have time to enjoy that vehicle before its replaced. To replace a model before you have even delivered the last "latest" model to your customers is shocking.
I like this video. You bring up many valid points. It certainly seems like the time has passed where you could have bought a new Ferrari and driven it for a year without loosing a lot of money and or having the replacement for your car show up so soon. Ferrari dealers are going to have to have demo cars for all the current models on hand for people to drive so we can choose the car we want to buy as future ownership could be a longer time than in the past.
Well said! It's refreshing to hear an owners true feelings! Ferrari used to be known for looking after its loyal clientele now it seems like the first owners are bank rolling the company, because its the first owners who end up paying for that depreciation on a current model when a new model is released!
You’re more Patient than I am Damian. I would have cancelled my order or ditched the brand by now and kept hunting for a 288 GTO for true Ferrari perfection and heritage.right now the Roma is looking good.
Ferrari isn't a customer company anymore. It has become a shareholder company. Since it got decoupled from Fiat a couple years ago, the Ferrari stock price has tripled, yet the output (about 10k cars per anno) has stayed roughly the same. There are too many different models that have been released in quick succession, yet most of them use the 3.9 Liter V8 Twin, even the SF90. This will lead to a quicker devaluation of older models and potentially worse customer service.
Same with Mclaren, a new model every 6 months that for the untrained eye when you see them on the road they all look the same. Reliability supposed to be awful too.
The boffins at Maranello copying the same model as the geniuses in Surrey at McLaren HQ, short term tunnel vision, shooting themselves in the foot big time. And let’s be honest nobody should mimic McLaren processes
Thing is, if you order a SF90 spider you won’t get it for 2 years during which another 2 models will be announced. You can never therefore be in the latest Ferrari now.
Hey Damian, I’m not even close to buy a Ferrari (yet ;) ) but I don’t see your comments as a rant. Rather a passionate guy speaking the truth for the sake of improving the circumstances. In fact it’s a similar issue with lots of more down to earth brands. People who ever had to experience one of the aftermarket services of their precious - in my case German brand - being kicked in the ***. Specifically I was told that the turbocharger in my BMW did a pretty good job surviving until 175.000km as they usually come in broken at around 125-150.000 km - in a diesel for gods sake!!! This is what you want to hear found stranded on the Autobahn. Some people say a Merc is not even properly run in at this point in time.... Well, I’ll stop here otherwise I end up in a rant. Anyhow - great video! Btw - love the seats in your Spyder - yes I do!
I agree with you. I think the problem runs even deeper: new tech, faster speeds, less emotion. Once you enter the “tech arms race” then your Ferrari can be “old tech” even before delivery. They need to pivot back to gorgeous designs, Italian leather interiors, emotive driving, fewer models, and longer cycles. I have a 16M and a Speciale and IMO none of the newer cars come close for the “soul” of Italian motoring. Any manufacturer can make a Roma if they wanted, but not everyone can make a 16M and pull it off.
I agree with your comments Damien. I said it on another video that the development pace has to slow down or they will continue to piss off owners when they overlap products on the same platform. They should have launched both at the same time, or if you want to talk about ultimate efficiency, just offer the spider! The spider will definitely hurt resale values of the SF90. I told you before to buy classics... now is the time... Start with a 550!
I agree with you and have been saying this for a while. I have owned 6 Ferraris over the last 20 years of which I currently have 3 and I am sticking with them as I just can’t stomach the depreciation of the new models. I even declined the offer of a test drive in an F8 because I knew if I drove it I’d want to buy one. In 2006 I took delivery of a brand new 430 spider for £130k and sold it in 2008 for £117k but those happy days are long gone.
Completely agree DB. I think you are at a tipping point here with Ferrari - perhaps being kicked off the Xmas list wouldn’t be such a bad thing? Then you can put your hard earned into something more secure anyway and more desirable. 288. It just has to be. I for one would be happy to set you realise the only car goal that really matters.
Damian. As a fellow Ferrari owner for many many years, I agree with you 100%! My advice: Continue to enjoy the Pista. I truly believe it will always to be the best drivers car EVER. Like you, I decided against ordering an SF90. The market for £0.5m cars is very small and production numbers are not limited. It will depreciate like an 812. So wait couple of years and you will have an amazing choice of lightly used cars for £200k off list. You wait and see. Oh and of course, the Spider launch has absolutely guaranteed my prediction will come true! See you in Maranello soon
Spot on mate. Couldn't agree more with this vid. I'm also a massive Ferrari fan and owner. Not on your level my friend, but nonetheless, an owner. We're also similar ages, so I understand exactly where you're coming from. Ferrari's were always magical, mystical machines that were so rare to see on the roads. Their limited numbers made them even more appealing. I think the old models are better buys than the newer ones. I would love to sit down with you one day, have a coffee, and a damn good natter about Ferrari, and cars in general. Keep up the great work.
I too remember those days in the 70s and 80s but that was before major capitalism and car financing deals. That was time when you bought a Ferrari with your hard earned cash not the Banks or Finance house's money. That's why it was a land mark event when you saw a Porsche , Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari or Lotus et al..How times change. I would never have dreamed I would ever own a Porsche. But I've bought 2 with my own money. Guess that's the difference...
Yep, I agree with you totally. Its a disgraceful way to treat customers - they should wait till all orders of the latest model are fulfilled before the sale of the new model. We see similar things with quite a few of the major tech manufacturers, but atleast they wait a reasonable amount of time.
A new Ferrari used to be iconic. The launch was something lots of people -including me- were looking forward to in anticipation. Now I don’t even know which models Ferrari currently has on offer. Pista? Spider? Aperta? Speciale? Whatever. Don’t know and don’t care anymore.... It really is a shame.
Regrettably late to this amazing channel. The content is brilliant and especially hats off to Damian for many reasons but in particular his no holds barred honesty, for having the bravery (and where with all) to endulge his car passion but mostly for sharing it with all of us. thank you.
Ferrari will do what it must to remain profitable. Ferrari is not a company that serves its customers as much as the other way around ! Ferrari loyalty is all about “taking it in the chin” for the scuderia 😎
It’s a crazy scenario when your 488 pista has just been delivered when there is not only the F8 Tributo spider but also now the SF90 Spider!! I know it’s Ferrari but contrast that with the lifecycle of Porsche GT products!! I was seriously considering a 488 spider a year ago, it was £214k used, a year later it is still for sale in the same dealership at £156k with the same miles!! I am more nervous than ever about moving from my Gt3 now!!!
Seems they are not bothered , I guess there’s lots of new money and emerging markets that are willing to part with their money and jump on the Ferrari band wagon. I totally agree with your views , glad you got the balls to say exactly how you feel , most people wouldn’t 👍
Spot on D, I have just withdrawn my order...... Pista was meant to be special - most dealers now have to 5 SOR. Time to move on , Ferrari will never be the same...
Interesting! Just a thought from a non-Ferrari fan - when was it that you noticed that in the V6/V8 series (originally entry-level Ferrari) two seater car, that Ferrari had a habit of not only building a hard top berlinetta, but also a targa top and/or a convertible version of the same car? Just checking, but according to a few sources they've been doing it since the 246 GTS Dino in 1971. Plus normally when Ferrari launch a new car, the designer will comment that the car will come in the following variants, or at least is designed for the possibility of hard/soft top variants. A quick check shows that happening from at least the mid-1908's. Personally the thing that would annoy me is the delay of ordering, and whilst doing so the announcement of new models. You've made some fine previous points - especially whilst waiting for your Pista Spider - that the SF90 had been announced, yet you had no delivery date for your car: crazy! Finally, industry norms are fast changing. Most car companies - from Skoda to Ferrari - now won't let a model last for the "old" lifespan of 7 years, with a mid-life refresh. Instead of a mid-life refresh, its a whole new model (in part because the technology and environmental regulations are changing so fast, plus yes it's marketing driven for sales). Ferrari hence are now just doing what every other car company does: a new model will have the following "tick the boxes" variants. Good video, you are always a good video-ranter. Perhaps for dedicated Tifosi some of that Ferrari sparkle is gone when you know the model variants will inevitably include hard/soft top, and the acceptance of industry norms on model lifespan. But they both sound too first world personally. But you make an excellent point as previously about the pace of release of new models, and the still "normal" old Ferrari delays in getting your car to drive - that's the real and well made point here. It is as you said destroying brand loyalty. Good Luck!
Yeah I’m disappointed too. I’m disappointed that I can’t afford one! If anyone is so disappointed in their Ferrari that they want to give it away, please let me take your disappointment off your hands.
@@johnsmalldridge6356 Guess its first world problems 😂 I only started driving ferrari"s over the last few years, they are sprinkled with magic dust. I hope someone takes up your offer 😂. You will fall in love 😊
I totally agree with your sentiments, Damian. Because it's just a fact Ferrari are bringing out cars too quickly. But not all SF90 customers would also additionally get the Spider variant. I know an owner who is just getting the Spider. So in terms of the convertible being released a year and a bit later than the coupe, not all owners would be done in. But for those who are, they would be pretty annoyed
Solid question and it is true I believe but I don’t think it took this long to deliver the vehicles before. At least previously the owners would have had a year or two ownership before the spider gets announced.
I think Ferrari competing with McLaren and the abundance of models being released is great for the true car lover but not for the new car buyer who is concerned about making money or not losing much money during their brief ownership. You are not concerned about loosing money on your 718 Spyder or GT3 Touring, you are driving them and enjoying them. You know the game Ferrari is playing and it is fine to cancel your order. You can always buy a well driven and well cared for ST90 coupe if you choose at a fraction of the new price you were going to pay. So just buy, drive, and enjoy according to whatever marketing decisions the auto makers are making.
Hi CarGuys . I have just seen your blog and I totally understand how you feel , and agree with you . In the early days of Ferrari they used to have a break between any new models . That's why with Lamborghini they do have a very long break between new models . And I will say if this continues with Ferrari they may loose customers , as you have mentioned before. And let's watch CarGuys New Roma , just been launched this year . And someone could say " let's have a convertible version " I rest my case . All the best . Simon
I couldnt agree more with your opinion. I have only ever bought one second hand Ferrari and I am 42! Seeing how they are introducing so many models for me spoils a bit of the magic. When I was a kid growing up in the southwest a Ferrari was a very rare sight unless you went to Nigel Mansell in Blandford! You now see them on the road so frequently if they are not going to continue to be exclusive they will need to lower the price. There are so many sports cars from other stables which will run them close to the wire on every sensation so I think loyal buyers will shift and think why pay more if there is no more added value?. Sounds daft but a bit like Lidl. Thank god brands like Rolex haven’t gone the same way. I hope Ferrari wake up and smell the Italian coffee, otherwise instead of upgrading my old F banger in a couple of years, I may look at other more sensibly priced and potentially more exclusive options. Or if Chris Harris is right cash in and buy a Yaris GR.!
Really interesting especially with your 812 experience, unfortunately the point you made at 10 minute mark, whereby they are having to look for new (fickle) customers, I think that’s what they are going for. Look at the launch colour, looks like Dubai gold. Would be interesting to see which countries shift the most units as unfortunately I think the loyal traditional European market may not have the same growth rate numbers say as Middle East customer for example?
Damian, Ferrari do not care about customer loyalty since it become public company. i dont understand why people keep insisting. Ferrari wants to please it s shareholder ie. has to increase production-> sales-> ebitda-> share price. simple
@@TheCarGuysTV the effect is, pissing off its loyal customers since its destroying residuals. This is the trend forward. Ferrari wont cut down on production to make a part of its customer base, happy. Full stop. The company has two options: a) either will progress similar to Porsche with a hybrid model of special and racing production cars plus production cars in a much higher number, to please shareholders and FORGET residuals Option b) de list and become a niche luxury supercar manufacturer with a smaller production similar to Rolex . Guess which route they will choose.
@@TheCarGuysTV 10:32 the answer to your point is , the delivery of the cars has to be faster, but that means fiorano factory has to expand. They will never in a million years cut down on production
Hmmm interesting. This is coming from a ferarri enthusiast. I suppose this confirms my suspicion that ferarri are not what they once were. I honestly think, and have been for a year or so, that they are on their way down. Their performances in F1 have been shocking and now they are resorting to just churning out car model after model. Yes they are good cars im sure, but no1, they are loosing their uniqueness and no2, will start to become more common on the road. It just reminds me of Jay Emms three mclaren episodes, which is mainly about (given its a specific dealership) mclaren pi$$in off its customers and i just feel the same is happening with ferarri. Albeit ferarri is also pi$$in of its fans in F1. Im more of a porsche, mercedes amg man meself...so dosent bother me much but i can see its publicly starting to affect loyal ferarri fans. It kind of echos what richard hammomd once said on top gear about lamborghini, how it started to loose its essence. Perhaps pagani and koeningsegg are the new ferarri, esp for the younger generation. Anyway, enjoyed the vid. Keep them coming. P.s buy a porsche lool and do some vids on that haha
Chris Harris basically said the same thing, "to many cars coming out and it's going to bite them back". My thoughts is that I would not be surprised if the Roma comes out early next year with a spider version, it would cannibalize the Portofino :( and more headaches for older and future customers.
Launching multiple cars in short spaces of time without delivering any of them has to be counter productive for Ferrari as in the end they only sell one car (the latest) to a customer if at all. Issue for me is that Ferrari have not upscaled their production only their design and market management teams. I suspect the dealers will get fed up too, specing cars and moving deposits from one to another without actually selling anything and making any money. All very crazy and a business waiting to go bust, especially if they don’t sort out their current F1 performance too.
When they lost Marchionne, it screwed the company. Less exclusity.... Still it's worth more than any individual car brand. But that has a lot to do w merchandise and Ferrari world etc.
Sergio Marchionne was a financial person and he's the one who's changed Ferrari into what the company is today. Luca di Montezemolo is the one who made Ferrari back to greatness. In 2014, he's been replaced by Marchionne. as Luca di Montezemolo was against this new politic of more volume and multiple car models strategy, making Ferrari less exclusive, less rare…
Well said regarding the Ferrari customer base, so many people buy cars based on the spec sheet BHP and 0 to 60 with no brand loyalty and less on the emotional side and the real passion a true petrol head has.
May be corporate greed, but part of me thinks that when the ICE is banned, there'll be nothing special about ferrari any more. I wonder if that explains some exotic car manufacturers pumping out models like crazy before the music stops. In a way, they don't have time to trickle the models out, no?
They're making way too many models; and way too many cars every year. Totally agree with you Damien, I've got friends that are pissed off by Ferrari's behaviour.
I agree with all your points. My question is how far behind on production are Ferrari? Because we all know they had to to shut down their factory during COVID-19. So if it wasn’t for COVID-19 maybe owners would have their SF90 coupes?? Hard to say. But it doesn’t appear they’re new car launches are slowing down at all even if production is behind
You've heard the phrase don't shoot the messenger! well Ferrari just shot him, the solution is, do not purchase a new Ferrari till you can get it the same day
As an owner of Ferraris for the past many years I hear and share your passion & pain on this. It is true that no other brand could make you feel more special about being part of the family with the events & access that bought which were second to none. However, I sold my latest car earlier this year and for the first time in a very long time have no yearning to replace it ... the "specialness" has gone for me. I do not think that is explained by me merely becoming familiar / blasé with the ownership experience, it truly feels that I am being treated differently than I was just a few years ago. Can not put my finger on it precisely, but it feels frankly that they started taking me for a fool .. rather than "having my back", as I used to feel was the case, it started to feel like they were "laughing behind my back". It is a shame as I don't think any car manufacturer can replace the passion that I used to feel about Ferrari.
When you ordered the 812 do you pay a deposit(what %) and when you withdraw the order are the dealership ok with it and is their a penalty cash wise for pulling out?
@@TheCarGuysTV but you specced the 812 so I’d guess you got lucky then,but as you said I’m guessing lots of sf90 orders will be just transferred to spider instead of cancellations
@@TheCarGuysTV I know a guy who’s bought a 488,gtc4 a atelier 812 and a couple of the lesser models to gain favour to get the 812 gto coming out only to be told off the record he’s not getting one or any limited run cars,he’s fuming as he’s spent well over a million in the past 5-7 years on cars and still hasn’t got his pista spider
I know sod all about the Ferrari’s Damian but 2 phases I loved in this video. 1. ‘Seething’ and 2. ‘Grinds my gears’ a la Peter Griffin. Been half serious for a second, I totally agree with you almost like been on a waiting list for a Batman only for it to get the chop and have to make do with a Batgirl, bloody ridiculous. 😉
I don't think you can manage to make an Corvette this expensive. I believe after adding Extras and individual wishes the Ferrari will end up somewhere about 350.000 €. As far as I know Corvette is proud the be priced somewhere about 80.000 €. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING!
Me thinks Ferrari is leaving a yawning chasm for a startup to fill. As ever Mr Harris verbalised what is on everyone’s mind, 1000kg, NA 500hp, manual box.
Oh dear, wasn't impressed when I first saw the cat this am on a popular forum based website. Loath the confusing hard lines in the style of 'etch-a-sketch' Lamborghini's. It's design already being compared to the ugly BMW i8. Very sad.
Damian I absolutely agree with your criticism of the current Ferrari model development and release programme. I think you guys are also victims of the worlds largest economy (China and their 5 million multimillionaires) that is causing delays in delivery, especially for RHD cars vs. LHD cars. Subtle dig by using your 718 Spyder... love it...😜
I have an F8 on order and will order the 812 GTS for delivery in 2 yrs and then the sf90. I love it. These are my first Ferrari’s and I’m happy with what Ferrari is doing.
As a car guy myself I cannot for the life of me keep up with the plethora of models this company produces. How many have there been in the last 3 years, anyone?
Used to be they took like 5 years to replace a production series line, as opposed to the 2-3 year average of most other car makers. Seems like the new management is trying too hard to pander to share holders, and milk their costumer base harder than ever.
Its not Kickstarter, its Ferrari. When Ferrari launches a car, it should be ready to deliver to customers in 6 months or less. Waiting years is not good for the brand or customers.
Thanks to everyone who watched this all the way through and understood the points I was discussing. It's something I feel passionate about, and although I have no stake in SF90, as a Ferrari customer, it is still my place to talk about how I feel about the company. So glad you have supported this episode by watching it.
They do this because... Im a games designer and we do the same thing. Launch a big game, then 3 months later, we launch extra content for it. Because then there is a new round of media-hype, a new round of awareness for the product, a new round of press releases, reviews in magazines. Same for cars. The magazines want to do all the tests. The entire media circus is on it again. And thats good for shareholders, investors, everybody shows up for release parties, free drinks, patting each other on the back, and hype.
@@captain_context9991 maybe... But unlike game’s developers Ferrari haven’t delivered the car into production because building and delivering a Ferrari is nothing like a game... Games don’t have NCAP and Euro regulations to meet first. Games just get debugged and released. They don’t depend on factory production lines. So your comparison logic is way off...
@@antonygriffiths6764
I think perhaps you dont know much about the car industry OR games industry. Its very similar. I got my university degree for the car industry, but work with games.
Hello Damien
I watch your channel regularly and you say give it beans. I don’t understand what you mean by beans all the time. Sorry about this I am from Pakistan 🇵🇰 so don’t understand everything. Do you mean Heinz baked beans
@@alimuzhussain8394 Hi Alimuz, there is the definition of Beans when we say it
“I do not have a new Ferrari on order. First time in 20 years.” Stat of the day :)
@@leestevenwj around 2 and half years
Small flex.
@@JayPee570 slight
Just makes the idea of buying older more engaging Ferraris more sensible. Skip the depreciation and walk out the door without having to beg or grovel.
Boom :)
I said a similar thing last week to Car Guys. I’d be Fucking Ferrari dealerships off and be buying slightly older ones. The prize of owning the newest Ferrari is a nice thing but Ferrari are making that impossible. I would not be pandering to Ferrari. I’d be buying older Ferraris anyway,
There so many amazing spec cars out there on the used market at huge savings why suck up to the salesmen in the showrooms begging for delivery slots. They are glorified estate agents who think they are holding your bollocks ! Fuck them !
And be smack head on with huge bills for maintenance if you actually drive it - pre 458 (sorry California) are a whole heap of cost
It used to be a special and rare moment when a new Ferrari was announced. Something everyone was excited about. Now you think 'another one? Meh...' even though the cars themselves may still be great. So I understand what you mean... I am also a long time Ferrari fan, although not in a position to own one but I feel the same way.
They are trying to get out as many cars as they can before 2025 when a lot of poor countries signed on to the Paris agreement and gas cars will be heavily phased out . The USA backed out of that economy crippling agreement . Probably why we got cars first.
@@tt55k well even though climate conservation is important I don't agree with getting rid of ICE ,it's not poor countries or economic crippling decision ,it's important for the future
@@anandpushkar7510 , if it was not for the devastation of the rain forests of the world we would be Ina great place, as far as climate change goes there is no real proof of it , yes there are scientific shills out there that cry about climate change but all in all it is a hoax to suck more money from the people . There is the ability to create weather but the wrong people are in control of it , they use it to create drought and massive hurricanes, they could use it to end drought but there is no money in that , there is a lot of money to be had in taxing everyone for carbon though .
I’d probably say that about most supercar companies. Competition and supply and demand.
@@tt55k what planet are you living on because it certainly isn't the same one as the rest of us. What a load of drivel you spout. Climate change doesn't exist. Really just look at the evidence that global warming is accelerating faster than any other period in our history. And this is coming from a dyed in the wool petrol head. I love N/A combustion engines cars with a manual gearbox, but the facts and science say otherwise.. It'll be a nasty cold day in hell when these cars disappear but disappear they must. It's called progress and climate change limitation. Get on board or follow the other conspiracy nutcases over the cliff....Enough said...End of..
Seems Ferrari are intent on cloning McLaren's sales strategy... because, yeh, that worked! :-/
Lol you are joking right ? sale success and mclaren cannot be said in the same sentence
@@anandpushkar7510 obviously he's joking you dolt.
You mean McLaren's stock pump-and-dump scheme 😡
@@themadplotter I am stupid,have a good day
@@anandpushkar7510 #METOO bud
Surely you must have been almost certain that they would produce a Spider version, why didn't you just wait until it was announced ?
yeah I agree. When I saw the sf90 stradale, I immediately liked the concept, but figured, I'd love it in a spider, I'll wait for that
I thought the same
You’re all slightly missing the point. Bring it down a few levels. Which mobiles phones do you own? iPhone 12 or the latest Samsung? Why did you buy it and not ‘just’ wait for the iPhone 13? Ferrari have released the iPhone 13 before the iPhone 12 is even available to buy in the shops...
share holder pandering ruins everything, Kit Kat is next mark my words.
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Nestle might be one of the most sinister companies in the world?
@@TheCarGuysTV That settles it, I'm not buying an SF90.
Yet, they call XRP a security
Ferrari is digging itself a big hole. Eventually it will come and bite them back.
Yes a big hole to fill with lots of money!
I agree. I think its already starting to bite them. Alot of their loyal fans are starting to get more and more vocal about their recent experiences and its not looking good. Also their performances in F1 have been shocking
A spyder was coming why the shock. An owner could of waited for the spyder if they wanted that instead. I'd rather have a pure hard top anyway.
458 is still the best looking car they’ve made in 20 years.
Agreed
I prefer the 430, but close
I prefer the F12TDF, the 458 Speciale Aperta in close second. :-)
Totally agree with you Damian, Ferrari have totally lost the plot. With all the millions in the world, I wouldn't be treated like this. 😤😡🤬
Filmed in a Porsche, absolutely love it🤣
Exactly what I was thinking. Lol
Sacrilege!
Bring back Luca di Montezemolo!
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Not a problem in my world :)
Same with me. A spyder was going to come out even if i can't afford either it wouldn't bother me
I think if something is beautiful, and it moves you emotionally, and you have the means to purchase it - then nothing should hold you back. If the SF90 stirs your heart, buy it.
I think Ferrari are doing this before we lose the combustion engine in the next 20 years. Trying to cash in before everything turns electric. Take away the engines from Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche and they're all going to be the same. The engines of all the different marques are the identity of the brands
Hi guys. I love your show. On a positive note: I have a 2020 812 hard top. I waited one year to receive the car. It is solid. A truly amazing car. I like the lines better then the GTS. So, as rare as they are, no big deal in the long-term regarding resale. I am waiting (8 months so far) for a Red basic SF-90. My MSRP will be $700K. In the end, some people like a coupe, some like a convertible. I have a milder convertible I won’t mention. These cars are rare and will go up in value long-term. I agree Ferrari has no clue about spacing things out. They screw-up often. But, wait and see. Hopefully they slow things down. Thanks for the fun, informative show.
2016 was the pinnacle of the autosport industry: F12 TDF, 458 Speciales, 991 Turbo S, Chiron, Agera RS, Huracan etc. Pure madness. BTW What would Enzo say?
Happy to say that even though the 488 and F8s have been released, my 458 speciale is still a dream, need nothing else in life.
I'd love to actually have this problem 😂
Well, I don't know about you. But I also don't currently have a Ferrari on order 😂
Call me old fashioned , but I really look forward to my Friday evenings watching the latest Car Guys video with a beer.
That’s fantastic 👍
Cheeky way to hint at a 288 GTO 😉
I had flashbacks for when I first saw that TaxTheRich video...give it the beans Damien!
288 GTO = F40 & F12 TDF replacement
One can only hope that by the grace of car gods a 288 gto arrives in the garage
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You daid it ! 👍
I know the 288GTO is extremely rare, but I would love to see one on this channel. I'm sure we all secretly hoped it would be the F40 replacement. This is my go to video after a hard day at work ruclips.net/video/irWtU3Q6kOA/видео.html
@@phillipcollins1103 T.50 is like a hypebeast sneaker. Gonna drop in value. F40 isn't that rare
I'm 110% with you on this. As someone who will probably never be buying a new ferrari, I am a huge fan of the cars. They are special, you are buying into a specialist club of low volume special vehicles. If you go out to buy their "newest" model then YES I firmly believe you should have time to enjoy that vehicle before its replaced. To replace a model before you have even delivered the last "latest" model to your customers is shocking.
I like this video. You bring up many valid points. It certainly seems like the time has passed where you could have bought a new Ferrari and driven it for a year without loosing a lot of money and or having the replacement for your car show up so soon. Ferrari dealers are going to have to have demo cars for all the current models on hand for people to drive so we can choose the car we want to buy as future ownership could be a longer time than in the past.
Well said! It's refreshing to hear an owners true feelings! Ferrari used to be known for looking after its loyal clientele now it seems like the first owners are bank rolling the company, because its the first owners who end up paying for that depreciation on a current model when a new model is released!
You’re more Patient than I am Damian. I would have cancelled my order or ditched the brand by now and kept hunting for a 288 GTO for true Ferrari perfection and heritage.right now the Roma is looking good.
Ferrari isn't a customer company anymore. It has become a shareholder company. Since it got decoupled from Fiat a couple years ago, the Ferrari stock price has tripled, yet the output (about 10k cars per anno) has stayed roughly the same. There are too many different models that have been released in quick succession, yet most of them use the 3.9 Liter V8 Twin, even the SF90. This will lead to a quicker devaluation of older models and potentially worse customer service.
Yes
Same with Mclaren, a new model every 6 months that for the untrained eye when you see them on the road they all look the same. Reliability supposed to be awful too.
Yup. Only reasonable option is stick with Porsche.
The boffins at Maranello copying the same model as the geniuses in Surrey at McLaren HQ, short term tunnel vision, shooting themselves in the foot big time. And let’s be honest nobody should mimic McLaren processes
Didn’t even know the Portifino M existed. Will be interesting when the Roma spider happens and is essentially the same car
Even Ferrari can’t launch a Roma Spider, can they?
@@TheCarGuysTV And that is the Moment you hear Ferrari wisper: Challenge accepted...
There won't be any Roma Spyder, cause there is already the Portofino
why did the ferrari roma existed
whats the point they already have portifino still selling and now the m is comming
New Ferraris are boring...Classic Ferraris are the best
Thing is, if you order a SF90 spider you won’t get it for 2 years during which another 2 models will be announced. You can never therefore be in the latest Ferrari now.
Hey Damian, I’m not even close to buy a Ferrari (yet ;) ) but I don’t see your comments as a rant. Rather a passionate guy speaking the truth for the sake of improving the circumstances. In fact it’s a similar issue with lots of more down to earth brands. People who ever had to experience one of the aftermarket services of their precious - in my case German brand - being kicked in the ***. Specifically I was told that the turbocharger in my BMW did a pretty good job surviving until 175.000km as they usually come in broken at around 125-150.000 km - in a diesel for gods sake!!! This is what you want to hear found stranded on the Autobahn. Some people say a Merc is not even properly run in at this point in time.... Well, I’ll stop here otherwise I end up in a rant. Anyhow - great video! Btw - love the seats in your Spyder - yes I do!
This channel has become one of my favorite. Well done.
Cheers
I agree with you. I think the problem runs even deeper: new tech, faster speeds, less emotion. Once you enter the “tech arms race” then your Ferrari can be “old tech” even before delivery. They need to pivot back to gorgeous designs, Italian leather interiors, emotive driving, fewer models, and longer cycles.
I have a 16M and a Speciale and IMO none of the newer cars come close for the “soul” of Italian motoring. Any manufacturer can make a Roma if they wanted, but not everyone can make a 16M and pull it off.
I agree with your comments Damien. I said it on another video that the development pace has to slow down or they will continue to piss off owners when they overlap products on the same platform.
They should have launched both at the same time, or if you want to talk about ultimate efficiency, just offer the spider! The spider will definitely hurt resale values of the SF90. I told you before to buy classics... now is the time...
Start with a 550!
Agree totally
@@TheCarGuysTV perhaps a super America!
I agree with you and have been saying this for a while. I have owned 6 Ferraris over the last 20
years of which I currently have 3 and I am sticking with them as I just can’t stomach the depreciation of the new models. I even declined the offer of a test drive in an F8 because I knew if I drove it I’d want to buy one. In 2006 I took delivery of a brand new 430 spider for £130k and sold it in 2008 for £117k but those happy days are long gone.
I totally agree , having so many models just takes away the uniqueness and excitement of a brand
It's kind of surprise that everyone surprised about sf90 spider. It was obvious from very beginning that it will appear.
It’s not the surprise, it’s the effect. Watch the episode
It's amazing that when you have retractable hardtop that functions as well as this, why you'd even bother making a coupé in the first place.
Some people prefer coupes because they are stiffer, lighter, more reliable, cost less.
Completely agree DB. I think you are at a tipping point here with Ferrari - perhaps being kicked off the Xmas list wouldn’t be such a bad thing? Then you can put your hard earned into something more secure anyway and more desirable. 288. It just has to be. I for one would be happy to set you realise the only car goal that really matters.
Now there's an idea
Too many Ferraris seems like the very definition of first world problems!
Well, obviously
Damian. As a fellow Ferrari owner for many many years, I agree with you 100%! My advice: Continue to enjoy the Pista. I truly believe it will always to be the best drivers car EVER. Like you, I decided against ordering an SF90. The market for £0.5m cars is very small and production numbers are not limited. It will depreciate like an 812. So wait couple of years and you will have an amazing choice of lightly used cars for £200k off list. You wait and see. Oh and of course, the Spider launch has absolutely guaranteed my prediction will come true! See you in Maranello soon
Great to hear from you, Chris
Totally agree been a massive Ferrari fan for over 58 years this situation is sad, boils my piss how they treat customers
Launching the Stradale and Spider at the same time with the client given the chance to choose makes most sense.
Think Ferrari need to start going down the lightweight route like McLaren. Think there starting to lose their way a bit.
Their order book compared to McLaren would argue otherwise.
Mclarens are very bad cars and you want Ferrari that way? haha never!
@@MarcSob22 why are they bad cars. Every car they produce is segment leading.
@@gentnextdoor yeah true but every car they produce is simply catching up with one McLaren realised 2 years previous
@@freddiejones4598 until they break , which they will ! Then mclaren want nothing to do with them.
Spot on mate. Couldn't agree more with this vid. I'm also a massive Ferrari fan and owner. Not on your level my friend, but nonetheless, an owner. We're also similar ages, so I understand exactly where you're coming from. Ferrari's were always magical, mystical machines that were so rare to see on the roads. Their limited numbers made them even more appealing. I think the old models are better buys than the newer ones. I would love to sit down with you one day, have a coffee, and a damn good natter about Ferrari, and cars in general. Keep up the great work.
Sounds like a plan, thanks Paul
I too remember those days in the 70s and 80s but that was before major capitalism and car financing deals. That was time when you bought a Ferrari with your hard earned cash not the Banks or Finance house's money. That's why it was a land mark event when you saw a Porsche , Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari or Lotus et al..How times change. I would never have dreamed I would ever own a Porsche. But I've bought 2 with my own money. Guess that's the difference...
Yep, I agree with you totally. Its a disgraceful way to treat customers - they should wait till all orders of the latest model are fulfilled before the sale of the new model. We see similar things with quite a few of the major tech manufacturers, but atleast they wait a reasonable amount of time.
A new Ferrari used to be iconic. The launch was something lots of people -including me- were looking forward to in anticipation.
Now I don’t even know which models Ferrari currently has on offer. Pista? Spider? Aperta? Speciale? Whatever. Don’t know and don’t care anymore.... It really is a shame.
Yes that really is
The world runs on greed unfortunately ( and debt). On the plus side when the SF90 does hit the roads many will say hey look, is that the new Corvette?
Ferrari is a business folks. And they are not in the business of making money for their clients
Regrettably late to this amazing channel. The content is brilliant and especially hats off to Damian for many reasons but in particular his no holds barred honesty, for having the bravery (and where with all) to endulge his car passion but mostly for sharing it with all of us. thank you.
Thanks, Josh - much appreciated
I really enjoy a good rant and that was a good one. 😄 Marvellous Damien, well done. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
That was a rant of Jayemm proportions! 🤣🤣
@@henryhol8538 No higher praise 👍
Ferrari will do what it must to remain profitable. Ferrari is not a company that serves its customers as much as the other way around ! Ferrari loyalty is all about “taking it in the chin” for the scuderia 😎
I don't want this to be a rant.. BUT.......
I TOTALLY AGREE! Id be pissed! It would be a dream to be in that position tho!
It’s a crazy scenario when your 488 pista has just been delivered when there is not only the F8 Tributo spider but also now the SF90 Spider!! I know it’s Ferrari but contrast that with the lifecycle of Porsche GT products!! I was seriously considering a 488 spider a year ago, it was £214k used, a year later it is still for sale in the same dealership at £156k with the same miles!! I am more nervous than ever about moving from my Gt3 now!!!
That’s a good point - I hadn’t tied all those things together. That’s a shocking tale of dealer depreciation
Seems they are not bothered , I guess there’s lots of new money and emerging markets that are willing to part with their money and jump on the Ferrari band wagon.
I totally agree with your views , glad you got the balls to say exactly how you feel , most people wouldn’t 👍
Spot on D, I have just withdrawn my order...... Pista was meant to be special - most dealers now have to 5 SOR. Time to move on , Ferrari will never be the same...
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I'm sticking with my hardtop for now when it's delivered in 3 months
Good for you. So would I (if I had ordered one)
Lucky guy, stunning car
@@richjohn9356 work hard
congrats
@@pilota3405 I work smart and love work 😊. 3 hours a day then beach or pool with my family. Quality of life ❤️
Agree with you 99%. Keeping back 1% because I've never owned a Ferrari!
and I agree with you the full 100.9%
I'd only buy second hand. That's how you stick it to em and still get what you want while saving a shit load of money..
Yes good plan. But for certain models it’s great to be the first owner.
Interesting! Just a thought from a non-Ferrari fan - when was it that you noticed that in the V6/V8 series (originally entry-level Ferrari) two seater car, that Ferrari had a habit of not only building a hard top berlinetta, but also a targa top and/or a convertible version of the same car? Just checking, but according to a few sources they've been doing it since the 246 GTS Dino in 1971. Plus normally when Ferrari launch a new car, the designer will comment that the car will come in the following variants, or at least is designed for the possibility of hard/soft top variants. A quick check shows that happening from at least the mid-1908's.
Personally the thing that would annoy me is the delay of ordering, and whilst doing so the announcement of new models. You've made some fine previous points - especially whilst waiting for your Pista Spider - that the SF90 had been announced, yet you had no delivery date for your car: crazy!
Finally, industry norms are fast changing. Most car companies - from Skoda to Ferrari - now won't let a model last for the "old" lifespan of 7 years, with a mid-life refresh. Instead of a mid-life refresh, its a whole new model (in part because the technology and environmental regulations are changing so fast, plus yes it's marketing driven for sales). Ferrari hence are now just doing what every other car company does: a new model will have the following "tick the boxes" variants.
Good video, you are always a good video-ranter. Perhaps for dedicated Tifosi some of that Ferrari sparkle is gone when you know the model variants will inevitably include hard/soft top, and the acceptance of industry norms on model lifespan. But they both sound too first world personally. But you make an excellent point as previously about the pace of release of new models, and the still "normal" old Ferrari delays in getting your car to drive - that's the real and well made point here. It is as you said destroying brand loyalty. Good Luck!
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The SF90 styling is an evolution, not revolutionary. I’m disappointed.
Its absolutely stunning
Yeah I’m disappointed too. I’m disappointed that I can’t afford one! If anyone is so disappointed in their Ferrari that they want to give it away, please let me take your disappointment off your hands.
@@johnsmalldridge6356 Guess its first world problems 😂 I only started driving ferrari"s over the last few years, they are sprinkled with magic dust. I hope someone takes up your offer 😂. You will fall in love 😊
Dont know how anyone cannot think its stunning, perfect from the front, side, rear and if the reviews are anything to go by, fabulous to drive
I think it looks fantastic! Especially the interior. It has a spaceship cockpit, an evolution of the 458. Lovely air vents!
I totally agree with your sentiments, Damian. Because it's just a fact Ferrari are bringing out cars too quickly. But not all SF90 customers would also additionally get the Spider variant. I know an owner who is just getting the Spider. So in terms of the convertible being released a year and a bit later than the coupe, not all owners would be done in. But for those who are, they would be pretty annoyed
Hasnt Ferrari always released its spiders like this though??
Solid question and it is true I believe but I don’t think it took this long to deliver the vehicles before. At least previously the owners would have had a year or two ownership before the spider gets announced.
@@KarmaticEvolution it feels like backstabbing the loyal customers and dunking the resale values as well
I think Ferrari competing with McLaren and the abundance of models being released is great for the true car lover but not for the new car buyer who is concerned about making money or not losing much money during their brief ownership. You are not concerned about loosing money on your 718 Spyder or GT3 Touring, you are driving them and enjoying them. You know the game Ferrari is playing and it is fine to cancel your order. You can always buy a well driven and well cared for ST90 coupe if you choose at a fraction of the new price you were going to pay. So just buy, drive, and enjoy according to whatever marketing decisions the auto makers are making.
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Accountants are the worst, biting the hands that feed them; they have no business controlling an exotic car company.
Hi CarGuys . I have just seen your blog and I totally understand how you feel , and agree with you . In the early days of Ferrari they used to have a break between any new models . That's why with Lamborghini they do have a very long break between new models . And I will say if this continues with Ferrari they may loose customers , as you have mentioned before. And let's watch CarGuys New Roma , just been launched this year . And someone could say " let's have a convertible version " I rest my case . All the best . Simon
Ferrari has a faster conveyor belt than "The Generation Game"!
I couldnt agree more with your opinion. I have only ever bought one second hand Ferrari and I am 42! Seeing how they are introducing so many models for me spoils a bit of the magic. When I was a kid growing up in the southwest a Ferrari was a very rare sight unless you went to Nigel Mansell in Blandford! You now see them on the road so frequently if they are not going to continue to be exclusive they will need to lower the price. There are so many sports cars from other stables which will run them close to the wire on every sensation so I think loyal buyers will shift and think why pay more if there is no more added value?. Sounds daft but a bit like Lidl. Thank god brands like Rolex haven’t gone the same way. I hope Ferrari wake up and smell the Italian coffee, otherwise instead of upgrading my old F banger in a couple of years, I may look at other more sensibly priced and potentially more exclusive options. Or if Chris Harris is right cash in and buy a Yaris GR.!
I bought my first Ferrari from the old Nigel Mansell garage at Pimperne.
Really interesting especially with your 812 experience, unfortunately the point you made at 10 minute mark, whereby they are having to look for new (fickle) customers, I think that’s what they are going for. Look at the launch colour, looks like Dubai gold. Would be interesting to see which countries shift the most units as unfortunately I think the loyal traditional European market may not have the same growth rate numbers say as Middle East customer for example?
That could be true
Damian, Ferrari do not care about customer loyalty since it become public company. i dont understand why people keep insisting. Ferrari wants to please it s shareholder ie. has to increase production-> sales-> ebitda-> share price. simple
Yes, and what effect does that have? Hence the discussion.
@@TheCarGuysTV the effect is, pissing off its loyal customers since its destroying residuals. This is the trend forward. Ferrari wont cut down on production to make a part of its customer base, happy. Full stop. The company has two options: a) either will progress similar to Porsche with a hybrid model of special and racing production cars plus production cars in a much higher number, to please shareholders and FORGET residuals Option b) de list and become a niche luxury supercar manufacturer with a smaller production similar to Rolex . Guess which route they will choose.
@@TheCarGuysTV 10:32 the answer to your point is , the delivery of the cars has to be faster, but that means fiorano factory has to expand. They will never in a million years cut down on production
It’s like they’re following the failed playbook of mclaren.
You are so right , i have also stopped my order of the F90 a few month ago but i will still ger my 812 GTS in 3/21
Interesting
Accountants ruin everything,
you have every right being a loyal Ferrari owner to voice your honest opinion
Hmmm interesting. This is coming from a ferarri enthusiast.
I suppose this confirms my suspicion that ferarri are not what they once were.
I honestly think, and have been for a year or so, that they are on their way down. Their performances in F1 have been shocking and now they are resorting to just churning out car model after model.
Yes they are good cars im sure, but no1, they are loosing their uniqueness and no2, will start to become more common on the road.
It just reminds me of Jay Emms three mclaren episodes, which is mainly about (given its a specific dealership) mclaren pi$$in off its customers and i just feel the same is happening with ferarri. Albeit ferarri is also pi$$in of its fans in F1.
Im more of a porsche, mercedes amg man meself...so dosent bother me much but i can see its publicly starting to affect loyal ferarri fans.
It kind of echos what richard hammomd once said on top gear about lamborghini, how it started to loose its essence.
Perhaps pagani and koeningsegg are the new ferarri, esp for the younger generation.
Anyway, enjoyed the vid. Keep them coming.
P.s buy a porsche lool and do some vids on that haha
What's a Porsche lool?
Chris Harris basically said the same thing, "to many cars coming out and it's going to bite them back". My thoughts is that I would not be surprised if the Roma comes out early next year with a spider version, it would cannibalize the Portofino :( and more headaches for older and future customers.
U know Ferrari is SUPER SENSITIVE any critique they get their panties in a knot
Launching multiple cars in short spaces of time without delivering any of them has to be counter productive for Ferrari as in the end they only sell one car (the latest) to a customer if at all. Issue for me is that Ferrari have not upscaled their production only their design and market management teams. I suspect the dealers will get fed up too, specing cars and moving deposits from one to another without actually selling anything and making any money. All very crazy and a business waiting to go bust, especially if they don’t sort out their current F1 performance too.
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When they lost Marchionne, it screwed the company. Less exclusity.... Still it's worth more than any individual car brand. But that has a lot to do w merchandise and Ferrari world etc.
Sergio Marchionne was a financial person and he's the one who's changed Ferrari into what the company is today. Luca di Montezemolo is the one who made Ferrari back to greatness. In 2014, he's been replaced by Marchionne. as Luca di Montezemolo was against this new politic of more volume and multiple car models strategy, making Ferrari less exclusive, less rare…
Well said regarding the Ferrari customer base, so many people buy cars based on the spec sheet BHP and 0 to 60 with no brand loyalty and less on the emotional side and the real passion a true petrol head has.
Looks like a Chevy.
May be corporate greed, but part of me thinks that when the ICE is banned, there'll be nothing special about ferrari any more. I wonder if that explains some exotic car manufacturers pumping out models like crazy before the music stops. In a way, they don't have time to trickle the models out, no?
Ferrari are like an abusive spouse now, they expect total loyalty and praise but give nothing in return.
They're making way too many models; and way too many cars every year.
Totally agree with you Damien, I've got friends that are pissed off by Ferrari's behaviour.
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Reminds me of the BMW i8 from the side
A lot of people have said that
I agree with all your points. My question is how far behind on production are Ferrari? Because we all know they had to to shut down their factory during COVID-19. So if it wasn’t for COVID-19 maybe owners would have their SF90 coupes?? Hard to say. But it doesn’t appear they’re new car launches are slowing down at all even if production is behind
And that’s a very good point, Tyler - slow down the announcements, Ferrari, and let production catch up
No supercars are super anymore, have to go hyper to have something special
I am long off the new stuff, I’d take a Speciale over a Pista, F8 or SF90
Completely agree.
You've heard the phrase don't shoot the messenger! well Ferrari just shot him, the solution is, do not purchase a new Ferrari till you can get it the same day
...problems I'll never have to deal with...😩😩
That's what I thought
As an owner of Ferraris for the past many years I hear and share your passion & pain on this. It is true that no other brand could make you feel more special about being part of the family with the events & access that bought which were second to none. However, I sold my latest car earlier this year and for the first time in a very long time have no yearning to replace it ... the "specialness" has gone for me. I do not think that is explained by me merely becoming familiar / blasé with the ownership experience, it truly feels that I am being treated differently than I was just a few years ago. Can not put my finger on it precisely, but it feels frankly that they started taking me for a fool .. rather than "having my back", as I used to feel was the case, it started to feel like they were "laughing behind my back". It is a shame as I don't think any car manufacturer can replace the passion that I used to feel about Ferrari.
Very interesting, Mike, and echoing many of my thoughts. I'm glad you got the arguments in this episode.
When you ordered the 812 do you pay a deposit(what %) and when you withdraw the order are the dealership ok with it and is their a penalty cash wise for pulling out?
Yes you pay a deposit, and generally this is refundable up to the point where you spec the car and it goes into build.
@@TheCarGuysTV but you specced the 812 so I’d guess you got lucky then,but as you said I’m guessing lots of sf90 orders will be just transferred to spider instead of cancellations
@@daveybaby10 According to all the people who have contacted me, it's a bit of both. Some outright cancellations and some swaps.
@@TheCarGuysTV I know a guy who’s bought a 488,gtc4 a atelier 812 and a couple of the lesser models to gain favour to get the 812 gto coming out only to be told off the record he’s not getting one or any limited run cars,he’s fuming as he’s spent well over a million in the past 5-7 years on cars and still hasn’t got his pista spider
I know sod all about the Ferrari’s Damian but 2 phases I loved in this video. 1. ‘Seething’ and 2. ‘Grinds my gears’ a la Peter Griffin. Been half serious for a second, I totally agree with you almost like been on a waiting list for a Batman only for it to get the chop and have to make do with a Batgirl, bloody ridiculous. 😉
It looks like the new C8 Corvette might be good competition for that car. And probably cost about one-third the price
I don't think you can manage to make an Corvette this expensive. I believe after adding Extras and individual wishes the Ferrari will end up somewhere about 350.000 €. As far as I know Corvette is proud the be priced somewhere about 80.000 €. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING!
Me thinks Ferrari is leaving a yawning chasm for a startup to fill. As ever Mr Harris verbalised what is on everyone’s mind, 1000kg, NA 500hp, manual box.
Oh dear, wasn't impressed when I first saw the cat this am on a popular forum based website. Loath the confusing hard lines in the style of 'etch-a-sketch' Lamborghini's. It's design already being compared to the ugly BMW i8. Very sad.
Damian I absolutely agree with your criticism of the current Ferrari model development and release programme. I think you guys are also victims of the worlds largest economy (China and their 5 million multimillionaires) that is causing delays in delivery, especially for RHD cars vs. LHD cars. Subtle dig by using your 718 Spyder... love it...😜
Looks like a NSX, lotus, etc insert your own Ferrari lookalikey
Looks like an overused joke....
I have an F8 on order and will order the 812 GTS for delivery in 2 yrs and then the sf90. I love it. These are my first Ferrari’s and I’m happy with what Ferrari is doing.
Good for you, Kevin
As a car guy myself I cannot for the life of me keep up with the plethora of models this company produces.
How many have there been in the last 3 years, anyone?
Used to be they took like 5 years to replace a production series line, as opposed to the 2-3 year average of most other car makers. Seems like the new management is trying too hard to pander to share holders, and milk their costumer base harder than ever.
Its not Kickstarter, its Ferrari. When Ferrari launches a car, it should be ready to deliver to customers in 6 months or less. Waiting years is not good for the brand or customers.
Good point, well made 👍