Hello. First point: Here when we ride, we tilt one mirror so you can see behind while standing. Keep the other mirror in its normal position to see behind while sitting. This helps for not getting rear ended and also to keep pan eye on your riding buddy (he still there?) Second point: What does a group do when one guy (maybe the last one) is no longer visible. First rider to loose view stops. So the rider in front of him stops. En so on. Then the leader turns back and drives slowly. As he passes, each rider queues in behind. All the way back until everyone is back in the group. Cheers
Great video, I believe you can do a seperate video just on emergency stops / breaking and avoiding collission with obstacles after and before breaking.
Good idea, thanks. Indeed, there’s so much to consider, and it’s such an important one, we should dig a little deeper into this. On our “to do” list. Thanks.
Great stuff. I kind of grew up off roading bikes out of necessity rather than pleasure. I lived in a small town and any trips back and forth involves rough unpaved roads and sketchy short cuts and water crossings. I have recently developed the hobby of adventuring and finding new terrain and stuff. Theres so many of these things you talked about that came natural to me, things like shifting the body around to keep the bike's momentum going. But theres small small things that we amateurs miss out on that you get learn from a professional, so thank you for these.
Thanks for saying so, and great that you have what sounds like natural fundamentals for most of this stuff. Some of us dream of growing up in a place where it meant riding dirt to get into town : )
Thanks very much for saying so, Eddie. Now in development, we're creating checklists folks can download so that when they come across "interesting terrain," they might look for features that they can practice these techniques on. So stay tuned, and RIDE on!
Great tips once again Eric. I pick up my new black 2021 Yamaha Tenere this week, just like the one you were riding in the video. Thanks again for the tips & safe riding! Cheers, Ronny
Went off roading for the first time Monday, got to one part with some bad ruts and panic and braked went down. Now I know I should stand and power through. Going to get some real moto boots and try again once my ankle heals.
Emergency braking & collision avoidance should be practiced regularly on/off pavement. Off road drill is to place rocks etc about 20 ft apart & do figure 8s while standing to work on vision, weighting peg, counter balance. Ya, keep the technique advice coming-thanks
Downhill off road. Do NOT be afraid of the front brake. Two ways to avoid dumping the front end in this kind of situation are to either leave the front ABS ON, or if you do not want to use ABS or don't have it, keep your front brake lever adjusted such that it cannot lock up the front wheel. You want braking, but keep the front wheel turning. If you lock up the front wheel it will quickly squirt out from under you.
Great tips for practicing. I’ve got some simple trails here where I can set up a slow slalom and circle for throttle work. Just gotta get out there right.
Thanks for the info. I'm new at this and find it awkward starting up a hill, city stuff that is. Not sure which brake to use before I start moving or as I'm waiting at a light. I live in an area that is not flat, at all.
Great VID. On another channel, I heard: 'don't use your clutch in deep sand. Let the sand be your clutch' I burned mine in deep sand once, so know I am using it as little as possible in deep sand. What's your view on this ?
EXCELLENT question, and one that we plan to address in a future video. (Reason being, I have seen videos/instructors out there suggesting that we not only modulate the clutch in deep sand, but that we modulate the rear brake as well.) My answer: I have never once, that I recall, modulated the clutch or rear brake in deep sand (other than the clutch maybe when getting started) and I have safely made it through many, many deep sand situations around the world on 500+lb adventure bikes. I think the "let the sand be your clutch" notion is exactly right, and can't imagine complicating things so much more (in addition to balance, keeping weight back, etc.) by having to mess around with two more levers at the same time. Adding to, as you said, the possible burning-out of the clutch earlier. ----- So, thanks for asking, great question, and please watch for a future video on this. ---- Eric
Great idea for establishing core strength and balance I bet (not that I've ridden a unicycle : ) So much of our best riding comes from those core muscles.
Dr. Lee, thanks for that note, and congrats to you and Matt and the family on the empire! Come ride with us in Baja this winter, or here in Oregon next summer, and keep an eye out for our motorcycle training "RIDE Ranch" plans as well. --- Eric
oh you got the same bike my father has haha, no but fr im gonna get my first bike in a week or smth and its gonna be an adventure, cant wait to go offroad ^^
As long as you have a wet clutch like 90% of the bikes out there if you're not going to burn out the clutch. Also maybe something I'm doing but even off-road I can stop better with ABS on. With it off I tend to slide.
Standing on the pegs raises your center of gravity. It may indeed give you greater control and enable you to change your center of gravity quickly, but it does nonetheless raise your center of gravity.
EXCELLENT question/notice, and I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, around 1:41 I said "we talk about pressure on the pegs and standing .... allows you to have a low center of gravity" before further-explaining more in depth. My use of those words was largely in reference to a fairly cliché line of thinking that has permeated the adventure riding community, as it was perhaps started & has been perpetuated by some training outfits and the videos they have made. In other words, I think some of these training academies have taken a "cliché" old reference regarding how we should approach other activities like Little League Baseball, Tennis, Hockey, and other athletic endeavors, and aimed it at an activity like motorcycle riding. Especially for those still learning to ride, a "low center of gravity" then sounds like it makes perfect sense, it becomes sort of a mantra, and the progress of these riders might be hampered a bit when they focus too much on the LCG factor. As I went on to explain, (and as I am asking all of you) .... when you're out riding, getting yourself through obstacles, scenarios, ruts, etc., are you really only putting weight on, and pressuring the footpegs? Or are you applying pressure to other parts of the bike, like up and over the seat, on the frame, or wherever it makes sense as you 'writhe' through each situation? --- Thanks for pointing this out, Chris. Speaking extemporaneously in front of a camera, sometimes the words don't come out perfectly, or completely, but I hope this helps explain. --- Eric
Definitely is a misconception widely used, when referring to having more suspended mass instead of fixed weight, as our leg acts as suspensions allowing the bike to move up and down without having to pull your body weight along, so if you flex yours knees in sync with the bike movement, you become kind of "Weightless". I´m pretty sure this was what he meant by LCG.
Thanks for the explanation, Eric. Standing will ALWAYS raise the CG, but it does allow you to move independently from the bike, perhaps shifting the CG one direction or another to maintain balance, or weighting one peg to help with traction.
So these really are just general off-road techniques. I’ve been dirt biking for a while and I’m getting the vibe that it really is just a bike difference rather than major technique difference.
Yea, a lot of the techniques cross-over from a dirt bike to a big ADV bike, but the roughly 2x weight difference going from some single-cylinder bikes to these big twins, definitely is a factor. Especially in loose sand/gravel situations. We'll have more videos ahead, and now offer our ADV Training Expeditions in Oregon and Las Vegas. Schedule is on the website. --- Thanks for watching.
This is very good. It’d be helpful to come up with more suggestions for exercises. It’s very well to say float your front, but how do you learn to do that?
Yea, we're doing our best trying to explain in the videos, but stay tuned for announcements of new facilities where you can come and practice this kind of stuff in person. Fun news ahead : )
Adventure bike clutches. I'm a "dirt biker" by nature, At 59 I'm mostly riding dual sport events that are on Enduro single track courses, so I'm a heavy user of clutch for traction control and storing power in flywheel for surges of power. I'm also considering one of your tours as a 60th birthday gift. Do your rental bikes really require much "clutch work" on the trails y'all cover or is the tip mentioned herein a rarely used one?
With our twin-cylinder adventure bike tours (most of what we do) there aren't too many situations where you'd need to slip the clutch. Routes are fun and spots can be challenging, but they're not like single-track type nasty routes. --- On each Tour Page, there should be a Difficulty Grading of 3, 4, etc. and the option to click there for a description. Fire away and let us know via the forms on the website where you'd like to RIDE next : )
Crazy as it may seem, even after all these years and having ridden ?# of bikes, I've never actually ridden a Rekluse! From what I understand about it though, sounds pretty slick and could be a great feature. Somehow the original clutches (especially wet ones) are always fine for me. ---- Thanks for watching, and asking. Let me know if you try one out : )
Good question. I just watched the video to familiarize myself with it. ---- What Bret said about "focusing on your mid-section and knees" is approximately what I was trying to articulate in the "#1 Weighting the Pegs" section of our video, so I like that very much. "Put your weight where it needs to be," being my underlying message in our 6 Essential video, and something that should happen quite naturally as we allow ourselves to move around on the bike. ------- The notion I struggle with, the one that I've heard/seen countless comments on, and other training academies vehemently preaching, is this bit about "standing so we have a low center of gravity." A low center of gravity (LCG) made sense when it was just us, just our body, out there on the Little League Diamond, playing soccer/futbol, tennis, and a whole bunch of other athletic endeavors. But riding a motorcycle isn't only about 'our body,' as there's a heavy machine involved as well, and low leverage on the footpegs is not necessarily the best point to leverage a bike from. ------ At the risk of going on forever about this, thanks for asking, watch for more videos please, and upcoming news about our Training Center locations opening : ) ---- Eric
Looking at picking up a AT AS as my main bike. I want to use to ride the TCT. I have lots of MX experience but never handled a big bike off road ( besides short stuff on KLR). Also do you guys have any experience with that electronic suspension. I really like the idea of extra fuel and I like the black on gold. Any suggestions I’m open.
Electronic Suspension systems are really nice features to have, especially when so few of us will ever actually break out the tools and get down to manually adjust. The downsides to electronic being: More weight, more to buy, more to potentially fail. But if those aren't major concerns, I bet you'll love just hitting a button a few times to adapt to your situation.
On the other "hand," some riders may have a need to use their hands as they see fit, given their situation (pre/post surgery, etc.) Right on, 1-2 fingers are perhaps optimal, but using more isn't necessarily "wrong."
@@RIDEAdventures fair truth for challenging individual circumstances. Having shattered a left wrist once, that is certainly relatable ….”on the other ‘hand’…” I see why you did there.
Everyone has a different technique. I use three fingers but most pressure and modulation is done with my ring finger. I can just “feel” the clutch better with the finger most people don’t even use on the clutch lever.
You just have to get out there and do it. I rode faster this time in gravel on my T7 and felt the suspension take over for the first time. So much fun to ride a little faster and moving with the sway of your line and the reaction of the bike. I love motorcycles!
Great video, and I love doing skills work in that same area that you shoot these videos. You asked viewers to share any tips: I just came back from Rawhyde Intro Plus 3 day training. One subtle but important tip/skill I came away with involves low to medium speed tight turning on the big adventure bikes. Turning the head in the direction of the turn is important and was something I already had well integrated to my riding. But at camp they showed the importance of pivoting your outside foot on the peg and pointing it into the direction of the turn...this really frees up the hips to turn and get more to the outside and off the center line of the bike and the chest and arms to turn more directly at the intended direction of travel. It also helps you press the outside knee into the tank for better feel and tighter turning. I found the combining the foot pivot, along with the head turn was the key to me easily making full lock turns at low to medium speeds on dirt and gravel terrain. Good riders like yourself probably do this instinctively, but for me and other intermediate level riders this was a new concept/skill.
Definetely, it is not so easy and clear with statement "ABS makes your stopping distance longer in off-road conditions" Topic deserves to go deeper into it. Which bike, how experienced rider is, and so on and so on. Check out Bret Tkacs research
the highest center of gravity to the lowest. wearing a back pack and standing on the pegs -> wearing a back pack and sitting on the seat -> attaching the backpack to the pegs and standing on the pegs -> attaching the backpack to the pegs and sitting on the seat. 1:37 is incorrect. using your legs to spring yourself from the bike is the benefit from standing.
Right, we can jump from a standing position, but in order to do so, we need to at least squat a little first. Right? Or am I misunderstanding. Sometimes 0.5 seconds needed to squat is is the 0.5 seconds we needed to survive.
@@RIDEAdventures oh im just saying that putting all your body weight on the pegs does not lower the center of gravity. i had a few beers though i think when i wrote that. the benefit of standing is that the bike is a separate object from your body, so it can act on its own, while you yourself are its own suspension and almost independent, which you know. and probably meant by saying it lowers the center of gravity.
Excellent video! And spot on points! Really appreciate you mentioning that this is actually a public road, and local people need to use that road to get from point a to point B. Great video to remind people to be the ambassadors of their hobbies or their craft want to be good citizens too!
Excellent video thanks. One of my learners asked me about the risk of burning out the bike's clutch yesterday, so it'll be great to forward this video as confirmation.
Yeah, none of us wants to do it, and especially if it’s a dry clutch, the burning smell can be quite evident. Let’s keep as much heat as possible out of that clutch pack, but sometimes, it’s just necessary. Thanks for sharing.
Dude, how big are you? Because you make some of these bigger adventure bikes look small. I'm 5-10 and around 195 lbs, and I look small on my bike. I like your videos, very informative. I just got a Super Tenere 1200 and I'm trying to learn how to best ride it. I'm fine on Enduro/ Dirt Bikes, but I'm a little intimidated by the larger bikes.
Overland, I'm still around 6'3" 240lbs, and if that 1200 doesn't start feeling a bit more natural for you, don't ignore the great middleweights now available like the Tenere 700. If you can find one. -- Thanks for watching!
Looking far as possible is so important. It's not that long ago when I got on bike for long timer. I wondered that why riding felt so awkward. Got that I have think this all from the basics and remembered and realized that I was looking way too close. It's remarkable as it increases your balance at the same time. Also when you begin to look into turns you'll get feeling that you're almost not doing anything.
Great video explaining and demonstrating offroad riding techniques; just what I've been looking for. Thank you. I'm new to offroad riding after 25 odd years of not having a road bike; had the odd road bike ride since then. I'm struggling with confidence and so riding defensively, hesitating to try some techniques. Your video demonstration and explanation is encouraging. Thanks so much.
Rewind 10 seconds and Fast Forward 10 seconds did not work on this video. I could not tap and drag the red dot on the red time line to FFD or RWD. Having to watch 12 minutes over and over to concentrate on details or study diagrams is not practical, given that I already watch 7.5 hours of RUclips a day. When an advertisement came on and I tapped skip ads. the screen went black. The sound continued to play. I had to start viewing all over again. I'm in Thailand, we own 8 Honda motorcycles and scooters so we are always interested to learn. No FWD or RWD has happened to me three times consecutively today on different videos and on different iPads, I have 2 iPads. The RUclips App is useless for study and advanced viewing. RUclips is becoming like a TV station with passive viewing, or paid internet passive viewing without advertisements. Comments are increasingly restricted, blocked or secretly censored. This is bad news for a motorcycle riding instructor and educator. Thanks for you video.👍👍👍
Thanks for the note, and for watching, and hopefully the ffd/rwd issues were just temporary, or some kind of internet issue locally. We've never heard of such issues otherwise, so what's up, RUclips? : )
Give us some experienced lessons on putting your leg out in cornering and 'other sketchy' situations! Don't strait leg it, bending your knee(s)... et cetera.
Good stuff but some false reasoning. If contact patch size is so vital, why do dirt bikes have narrow tyres? By weighting the outside peg, the rider stays vertical and perpendicular to the ground, but must then countersteer to push the bike over a little to make the turn, banked into the corner, thus slightly - but necessarily - reducing the contact patch. This is not important on the dirt because keeping the rider's weight above the bike and the tyres' contact patch is what matters. Standing greatly raises (not lowers) the rider/bike centre of mass, but crucially directs the rider's weight much closer to the contact patch, thus reducing the lateral 'squirrely' forces on the tyres.
Generally speaking, bikes want to have the most narrow front wheel as is reasonably possible, for handling reasons. Such can be confirmed when trying to ride something with a fat front tire, like a Yamaha TW200 or the old Honda Fat Cat from the 80's. Huge, sluggish, wide tires are horrible for tracking and carving turns.
"Yes and No." --- Some bikes these days have "Enduro" and "Rally" and other modes that include some Traction Control, but usually a less-sensitive version of it. Like reduced sensitivity by 80-90% instead of completely "off" and so.....it allows some steering with the rear.
Good ones. Deep Sand, yea, we've got to get that one filmed. Good news is we already did 4 Ways to Turn Around. Thanks for commenting: ruclips.net/video/UGEBC2WHsgw/видео.html
G’day mate great video, thanks for the tips! I know it’s a bit of a way (lol) but it would be great if you could run some courses down under, in Oz! Maybe after COVID?
I have asked on numerous off-road technique channels, but have yet to actually receive even acknowledgement let alone help. My situation is: I’m 71 and stiffening up, my inseam is 29”, I ride a 2015 BMW R1200GS, factory lowered and I am NEW to off-roading having ridden motorcycles on road since 1967. PLEASE, can you help me learn how to upshift whilst standing on the pegs? I am able to downshift and use the back brake, but floating my left foot makes me feel unbalanced and out of contact with the bike! Please help! 🏍🏍👍👍
Henry, indeed, standing and shifting requires (for me anyway) sort of a weird "hip dip" that almost is never needed in any other part of life. "Hip dip" meaning, a lowering/grinding downward of your left hip in relation to the right hip, so as to lower the foot enough to get under that shift lever. ----- If your bike has a centerstand, maybe it would be best to just practice this in your driveway on the centerstand, so you can focus on what's needed physically and not have the distractions of actually riding simultaneously. Or, try standing with your right foot only on a block of wood or something, and feel what it takes to sort of "loop" the left foot down and get under that shift lever. Also, while I completely endorse the use of a full motocross-type boot, such might make it much more difficult than a softer, lighter, less-restrictive boot. AND, while not the safest thing to do, actually taking your left heel off the footpeg of course will help get the foot out/away from the lever to get under it and pull-up. ---- Hopefully some of that helps. Just keep in mind that it's a very unnatural movement, and therefore will probably forever feel awkward. Thanks for watching!
Может быть, скоро они появятся в России как подержанные мотоциклы? Надеюсь, что так. Похоже, что цены во всем мире разные. Здесь, в США, Tenere 700 очень недорогой, но в Чили и других местах ... очень дорогой. Катайтесь на том, что у вас есть, и наслаждайтесь!
They are definitely never supposed to attach to a helmet, as we need full head movement when riding. Some neck braces come with under-armpit straps, but that's not necessary from my experience.
Just a quick comment on modern ABS and traction control systems. Know your bike. Many have off road settings for both systems that when set properly will help you maintain traction and brake more quickly than when the systems are selected OFF.
Good question, but very tough to outline all the yes/no situations. We ultimately want to stay connected to the bike......not super tight, and not too loose. If I want to 'lift' the bike up for an obstacle or bump, of course that's a pinch-and-lift scenario. ---- Try it and experiment with it in a variety of scenarios, and notice what effect that has on the total situation. --- Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
What might be an interesting technique video for you to cover would be everyone’s favorite (other than sand…): rock-covered trails and baby-head fields!
I'm fairly new to these riding videos and this is the first one that I have seen the collar that you are wearing. May I ask what that is? Great video and proper advice!
Hello, there are four adventurer models. 1- Suzuki Adventure 250 cc 2019 2- KTM Adventure 250 cc year 2021 3- Kawasaki Versys 250cc 2019 4- Honda CBR 250 cc year 2021 All motorcycles are new and unused. Question: I want to have an adventure every week or every two weeks, on good asphalt roads and cold, rainy and snowy mountain dirt roads or hot desert roads, asphalt and even desert. Which model is really the best? With accessories such as: protective guard and three boxes. please guide me. Thanks
I bought a Honda NC750XD automatic bike and now after 8 years I want to do gravel roads and it does ok, but I am going to buy a smaller bike so I can have my clutch back with no ABS. I found that only once did I need ABS in an emergency stop in the 8 years on the road, it never engages with the way I ride any way.
Hello.
First point:
Here when we ride, we tilt one mirror so you can see behind while standing.
Keep the other mirror in its normal position to see behind while sitting.
This helps for not getting rear ended and also to keep pan eye on your riding buddy (he still there?)
Second point:
What does a group do when one guy (maybe the last one) is no longer visible.
First rider to loose view stops. So the rider in front of him stops. En so on. Then the leader turns back and drives slowly.
As he passes, each rider queues in behind. All the way back until everyone is back in the group.
Cheers
Great video, I believe you can do a seperate video just on emergency stops / breaking and avoiding collission with obstacles after and before breaking.
Good idea, thanks. Indeed, there’s so much to consider, and it’s such an important one, we should dig a little deeper into this. On our “to do” list. Thanks.
Great stuff. I kind of grew up off roading bikes out of necessity rather than pleasure. I lived in a small town and any trips back and forth involves rough unpaved roads and sketchy short cuts and water crossings. I have recently developed the hobby of adventuring and finding new terrain and stuff. Theres so many of these things you talked about that came natural to me, things like shifting the body around to keep the bike's momentum going. But theres small small things that we amateurs miss out on that you get learn from a professional, so thank you for these.
Thanks for saying so, and great that you have what sounds like natural fundamentals for most of this stuff. Some of us dream of growing up in a place where it meant riding dirt to get into town : )
Using more revs to increase engine breaking and overall throttle responsiveness.
Great video mate.
This was just awesome. I'll be saving this one and going back to it. You can never have too much training. Thanks for all you do. This one's a gift.
Thanks very much for saying so, Eddie. Now in development, we're creating checklists folks can download so that when they come across "interesting terrain," they might look for features that they can practice these techniques on. So stay tuned, and RIDE on!
Excellent video. Thanks for the great info. Always easy to follow and understand!
We are having fun making these, so thanks for following along and for the positive feedback.
Great tips once again Eric. I pick up my new black 2021 Yamaha Tenere this week, just like the one you were riding in the video. Thanks again for the tips & safe riding! Cheers, Ronny
Also have the same 👍👍
Enjoy that Fun Machine, Ronny! What a great, great bike and value. Lots of good times ahead for you, thanks for sharing.
A perfect video for a perfect lesson. Bravo.
Thank you! 😃
Went off roading for the first time Monday, got to one part with some bad ruts and panic and braked went down. Now I know I should stand and power through. Going to get some real moto boots and try again once my ankle heals.
Emergency braking & collision avoidance should be practiced regularly on/off pavement.
Off road drill is to place rocks etc about 20 ft apart & do figure 8s while standing to work on vision, weighting peg, counter balance.
Ya, keep the technique advice coming-thanks
Downhill off road. Do NOT be afraid of the front brake. Two ways to avoid dumping the front end in this kind of situation are to either leave the front ABS ON, or if you do not want to use ABS or don't have it, keep your front brake lever adjusted such that it cannot lock up the front wheel. You want braking, but keep the front wheel turning. If you lock up the front wheel it will quickly squirt out from under you.
I start to learn skills with lightweight dualsport and later upgrade them on heavier machine
Great video guys thank you
Great tips for practicing. I’ve got some simple trails here where I can set up a slow slalom and circle for throttle work. Just gotta get out there right.
Thanks for saying so, and heck yea.....practice makes perfect! Or close enough to it anyway :)
oh sweet t700, but those blinkers are huge!!
Thanks for the info. I'm new at this and find it awkward starting up a hill, city stuff that is. Not sure which brake to use before I start moving or as I'm waiting at a light. I live in an area that is not flat, at all.
Great VID.
On another channel, I heard: 'don't use your clutch in deep sand. Let the sand be your clutch'
I burned mine in deep sand once, so know I am using it as little as possible in deep sand.
What's your view on this ?
EXCELLENT question, and one that we plan to address in a future video. (Reason being, I have seen videos/instructors out there suggesting that we not only modulate the clutch in deep sand, but that we modulate the rear brake as well.) My answer: I have never once, that I recall, modulated the clutch or rear brake in deep sand (other than the clutch maybe when getting started) and I have safely made it through many, many deep sand situations around the world on 500+lb adventure bikes. I think the "let the sand be your clutch" notion is exactly right, and can't imagine complicating things so much more (in addition to balance, keeping weight back, etc.) by having to mess around with two more levers at the same time. Adding to, as you said, the possible burning-out of the clutch earlier. ----- So, thanks for asking, great question, and please watch for a future video on this. ---- Eric
180-degree skid turn!
Yea, we did that in another video, with some other ideas: ruclips.net/video/UGEBC2WHsgw/видео.html
@@RIDEAdventures Nice one, thanks. Great vids BTW!
@@andrewtreloar7389 Thanks!
Super slow balance is key to everything
I practice hip work on a unicycle… it is the only way to turn / control it.
Great idea for establishing core strength and balance I bet (not that I've ridden a unicycle : ) So much of our best riding comes from those core muscles.
Thanks for the tips! Now to go practice them! Great video!!!
Dr. Lee, thanks for that note, and congrats to you and Matt and the family on the empire! Come ride with us in Baja this winter, or here in Oregon next summer, and keep an eye out for our motorcycle training "RIDE Ranch" plans as well. --- Eric
great tips, thank you, cheers V!
oh you got the same bike my father has haha, no but fr im gonna get my first bike in a week or smth and its gonna be an adventure, cant wait to go offroad ^^
That's awesome, have fun and see you out there!
Great, useful video. Great host.
Thanks for saying so!
Video about offroad braking would be great, please include downhill braking
Good ones, thanks. Now added to our list to produce.
Great instructions and advice. Thank you.
As long as you have a wet clutch like 90% of the bikes out there if you're not going to burn out the clutch. Also maybe something I'm doing but even off-road I can stop better with ABS on. With it off I tend to slide.
Standing on the pegs raises your center of gravity. It may indeed give you greater control and enable you to change your center of gravity quickly, but it does nonetheless raise your center of gravity.
And yet so many say "it lowers your center of gravity....." Good call, thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures Yes, you're right, it's a very common misconception. As you point out, there's no doubt that standing on the pegs helps control!
Good review
Thanks!
Very nice 👍 thank you and 🏍greetings👍
Techniques for first time rider video please
We will add it to the list, as we are getting closer and closer to the origins of helping riders get into riding in the first place anyway.
Great tips. 👍
I definitely learnt from it 🙌✌️🥳
Did he say in the beginning that "standing allows you to have a low center of gravity"? I think that needs a little more explanation...
EXCELLENT question/notice, and I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, around 1:41 I said "we talk about pressure on the pegs and standing .... allows you to have a low center of gravity" before further-explaining more in depth. My use of those words was largely in reference to a fairly cliché line of thinking that has permeated the adventure riding community, as it was perhaps started & has been perpetuated by some training outfits and the videos they have made. In other words, I think some of these training academies have taken a "cliché" old reference regarding how we should approach other activities like Little League Baseball, Tennis, Hockey, and other athletic endeavors, and aimed it at an activity like motorcycle riding. Especially for those still learning to ride, a "low center of gravity" then sounds like it makes perfect sense, it becomes sort of a mantra, and the progress of these riders might be hampered a bit when they focus too much on the LCG factor. As I went on to explain, (and as I am asking all of you) .... when you're out riding, getting yourself through obstacles, scenarios, ruts, etc., are you really only putting weight on, and pressuring the footpegs? Or are you applying pressure to other parts of the bike, like up and over the seat, on the frame, or wherever it makes sense as you 'writhe' through each situation? --- Thanks for pointing this out, Chris. Speaking extemporaneously in front of a camera, sometimes the words don't come out perfectly, or completely, but I hope this helps explain. --- Eric
Definitely is a misconception widely used, when referring to having more suspended mass instead of fixed weight, as our leg acts as suspensions allowing the bike to move up and down without having to pull your body weight along, so if you flex yours knees in sync with the bike movement, you become kind of "Weightless".
I´m pretty sure this was what he meant by LCG.
Thanks for the explanation, Eric. Standing will ALWAYS raise the CG, but it does allow you to move independently from the bike, perhaps shifting the CG one direction or another to maintain balance, or weighting one peg to help with traction.
So these really are just general off-road techniques. I’ve been dirt biking for a while and I’m getting the vibe that it really is just a bike difference rather than major technique difference.
Yea, a lot of the techniques cross-over from a dirt bike to a big ADV bike, but the roughly 2x weight difference going from some single-cylinder bikes to these big twins, definitely is a factor. Especially in loose sand/gravel situations. We'll have more videos ahead, and now offer our ADV Training Expeditions in Oregon and Las Vegas. Schedule is on the website. --- Thanks for watching.
This is very good. It’d be helpful to come up with more suggestions for exercises. It’s very well to say float your front, but how do you learn to do that?
Yea, we're doing our best trying to explain in the videos, but stay tuned for announcements of new facilities where you can come and practice this kind of stuff in person. Fun news ahead : )
Excellent
Great video
Thanks!
Adventure bike clutches. I'm a "dirt biker" by nature, At 59 I'm mostly riding dual sport events that are on Enduro single track courses, so I'm a heavy user of clutch for traction control and storing power in flywheel for surges of power. I'm also considering one of your tours as a 60th birthday gift. Do your rental bikes really require much "clutch work" on the trails y'all cover or is the tip mentioned herein a rarely used one?
With our twin-cylinder adventure bike tours (most of what we do) there aren't too many situations where you'd need to slip the clutch. Routes are fun and spots can be challenging, but they're not like single-track type nasty routes. --- On each Tour Page, there should be a Difficulty Grading of 3, 4, etc. and the option to click there for a description. Fire away and let us know via the forms on the website where you'd like to RIDE next : )
Nice job god bless
Great information Eric, what are your thoughts on auto clutches like the Rykluse?
Crazy as it may seem, even after all these years and having ridden ?# of bikes, I've never actually ridden a Rekluse! From what I understand about it though, sounds pretty slick and could be a great feature. Somehow the original clutches (especially wet ones) are always fine for me. ---- Thanks for watching, and asking. Let me know if you try one out : )
You look just perfect fit on that teneree, how tall are you, may I ask?
About 6'3", 240 with a 32 inch inseam. Enjoy your T7 if you get one : )
how do you feel about mototrek's and Bret Tcaks "peg weighting doesn't matter" video?
Good question. I just watched the video to familiarize myself with it. ---- What Bret said about "focusing on your mid-section and knees" is approximately what I was trying to articulate in the "#1 Weighting the Pegs" section of our video, so I like that very much. "Put your weight where it needs to be," being my underlying message in our 6 Essential video, and something that should happen quite naturally as we allow ourselves to move around on the bike. ------- The notion I struggle with, the one that I've heard/seen countless comments on, and other training academies vehemently preaching, is this bit about "standing so we have a low center of gravity." A low center of gravity (LCG) made sense when it was just us, just our body, out there on the Little League Diamond, playing soccer/futbol, tennis, and a whole bunch of other athletic endeavors. But riding a motorcycle isn't only about 'our body,' as there's a heavy machine involved as well, and low leverage on the footpegs is not necessarily the best point to leverage a bike from. ------ At the risk of going on forever about this, thanks for asking, watch for more videos please, and upcoming news about our Training Center locations opening : ) ---- Eric
@@RIDEAdventures Thank you for the great response!
Looking at picking up a AT AS as my main bike. I want to use to ride the TCT. I have lots of MX experience but never handled a big bike off road ( besides short stuff on KLR). Also do you guys have any experience with that electronic suspension. I really like the idea of extra fuel and I like the black on gold.
Any suggestions I’m open.
Electronic Suspension systems are really nice features to have, especially when so few of us will ever actually break out the tools and get down to manually adjust. The downsides to electronic being: More weight, more to buy, more to potentially fail. But if those aren't major concerns, I bet you'll love just hitting a button a few times to adapt to your situation.
Where is your school located
Are you learn this practice skills??
We currently have two locations one in Bend Oregon and another in Pahrump Nevada. But we are expanding.
Slipping the rear wheel is out for me, my 24horse power RE Himalayan won't break the wheel free !
Don't want Headshake. Got it.
I'm more interested in lesson number seven how to pick up chicks on your dirt bike
You mean, it's not automatic? : )
You use guitar causes for panniers!
It’s a myth.
You can’t lower the center of gravity by standing. That doesn’t make any sense.
Correct, we can lower the point at which our gravity is imparted onto the bike, but in doing so, we raise our own center of gravity.
@@RIDEAdventures I don’t think gravity has anything to do with standing posture at all…
Optimal clutch control is achieved with one or two fingers max, those ‘handful of lever’ views demonstrate a questionable technique.
On the other "hand," some riders may have a need to use their hands as they see fit, given their situation (pre/post surgery, etc.) Right on, 1-2 fingers are perhaps optimal, but using more isn't necessarily "wrong."
@@RIDEAdventures fair truth for challenging individual circumstances. Having shattered a left wrist once, that is certainly relatable ….”on the other ‘hand’…” I see why you did there.
Everyone has a different technique. I use three fingers but most pressure and modulation is done with my ring finger. I can just “feel” the clutch better with the finger most people don’t even use on the clutch lever.
Watch trials or enduro pros. Max 2 fingers. To my opinion more fingers than that are simply wrong technique
Japanese motor cops use all 4 fingers on the clutch, even in competitions. That's on pavement tho. @@clemo311
A poor riding instructor trying to teach? You have some very poor habits that are not correct. But the blind will lead the blind I guess
You need to remove that neck brace. You’re not going over whoops.
You just have to get out there and do it. I rode faster this time in gravel on my T7 and felt the suspension take over for the first time. So much fun to ride a little faster and moving with the sway of your line and the reaction of the bike. I love motorcycles!
Really sound advice delivered in clear concise fashion. Not a word wasted and the footage complimented the dialogue perfectly. Great job, bro.
Thanks for saying so! Now if I/we could just get it all done in 1 take : )
Well said
And no stupid inappropriate music like with that guy with the funny cap.
Great video, and I love doing skills work in that same area that you shoot these videos. You asked viewers to share any tips: I just came back from Rawhyde Intro Plus 3 day training. One subtle but important tip/skill I came away with involves low to medium speed tight turning on the big adventure bikes. Turning the head in the direction of the turn is important and was something I already had well integrated to my riding. But at camp they showed the importance of pivoting your outside foot on the peg and pointing it into the direction of the turn...this really frees up the hips to turn and get more to the outside and off the center line of the bike and the chest and arms to turn more directly at the intended direction of travel. It also helps you press the outside knee into the tank for better feel and tighter turning. I found the combining the foot pivot, along with the head turn was the key to me easily making full lock turns at low to medium speeds on dirt and gravel terrain. Good riders like yourself probably do this instinctively, but for me and other intermediate level riders this was a new concept/skill.
Wonderfully done! Your easy going presentation style makes the tips you give approachable for an average adv rider like myself. Thank you!
Glad if it was helpful! See you out there, and thanks for saying so.
Definetely, it is not so easy and clear with statement "ABS makes your stopping distance longer in off-road conditions" Topic deserves to go deeper into it. Which bike, how experienced rider is, and so on and so on. Check out Bret Tkacs research
Yep, pretty sure that's why we stated it as "generally speaking."
the highest center of gravity to the lowest. wearing a back pack and standing on the pegs -> wearing a back pack and sitting on the seat -> attaching the backpack to the pegs and standing on the pegs -> attaching the backpack to the pegs and sitting on the seat. 1:37 is incorrect. using your legs to spring yourself from the bike is the benefit from standing.
Right, we can jump from a standing position, but in order to do so, we need to at least squat a little first. Right? Or am I misunderstanding. Sometimes 0.5 seconds needed to squat is is the 0.5 seconds we needed to survive.
@@RIDEAdventures oh im just saying that putting all your body weight on the pegs does not lower the center of gravity. i had a few beers though i think when i wrote that. the benefit of standing is that the bike is a separate object from your body, so it can act on its own, while you yourself are its own suspension and almost independent, which you know. and probably meant by saying it lowers the center of gravity.
Excellent video! And spot on points! Really appreciate you mentioning that this is actually a public road, and local people need to use that road to get from point a to point B. Great video to remind people to be the ambassadors of their hobbies or their craft want to be good citizens too!
Excellent video thanks. One of my learners asked me about the risk of burning out the bike's clutch yesterday, so it'll be great to forward this video as confirmation.
Yeah, none of us wants to do it, and especially if it’s a dry clutch, the burning smell can be quite evident. Let’s keep as much heat as possible out of that clutch pack, but sometimes, it’s just necessary. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for this video. I found it very useful. Greetings from the UK 🇬🇧
Dude, how big are you? Because you make some of these bigger adventure bikes look small. I'm 5-10 and around 195 lbs, and I look small on my bike. I like your videos, very informative. I just got a Super Tenere 1200 and I'm trying to learn how to best ride it. I'm fine on Enduro/ Dirt Bikes, but I'm a little intimidated by the larger bikes.
Overland, I'm still around 6'3" 240lbs, and if that 1200 doesn't start feeling a bit more natural for you, don't ignore the great middleweights now available like the Tenere 700. If you can find one. -- Thanks for watching!
Looking far as possible is so important. It's not that long ago when I got on bike for long timer. I wondered that why riding felt so awkward. Got that I have think this all from the basics and remembered and realized that I was looking way too close. It's remarkable as it increases your balance at the same time. Also when you begin to look into turns you'll get feeling that you're almost not doing anything.
Great video explaining and demonstrating offroad riding techniques; just what I've been looking for. Thank you.
I'm new to offroad riding after 25 odd years of not having a road bike; had the odd road bike ride since then.
I'm struggling with confidence and so riding defensively, hesitating to try some techniques. Your video demonstration and explanation is encouraging. Thanks so much.
Thanks for saying so, and fortunately, practice = riding at this point, and so life is pretty good : ) Have fun.
Show is an elephant turn.
Thanks for explaining how to steer with the rear wheel by slipping the clutch! Looking forward to trying it.
So fun, once you're out there buttering some slides.....have fun : )
Depending on your tires, leaning your bike (in corners) might actually give you better traction than keeping it straight.
Rewind 10 seconds and Fast Forward 10 seconds did not work on this video. I could not tap and drag the red dot on the red time line to FFD or RWD. Having to watch 12 minutes over and over to concentrate on details or study diagrams is not practical, given that I already watch 7.5 hours of RUclips a day. When an advertisement came on and I tapped skip ads. the screen went black. The sound continued to play. I had to start viewing all over again.
I'm in Thailand, we own 8 Honda motorcycles and scooters so we are always interested to learn. No FWD or RWD has happened to me three times consecutively today on different videos and on different iPads, I have 2 iPads. The RUclips App is useless for study and advanced viewing. RUclips is becoming like a TV station with passive viewing, or paid internet passive viewing without advertisements. Comments are increasingly restricted, blocked or secretly censored. This is bad news for a motorcycle riding instructor and educator. Thanks for you video.👍👍👍
Thanks for the note, and for watching, and hopefully the ffd/rwd issues were just temporary, or some kind of internet issue locally. We've never heard of such issues otherwise, so what's up, RUclips? : )
Give us some experienced lessons on putting your leg out in cornering and 'other sketchy' situations!
Don't strait leg it, bending your knee(s)... et cetera.
Excellent idea, and a video could be made about dabbing for sure. Adding it to our list. Thanks for sharing. And watching.
Good stuff but some false reasoning. If contact patch size is so vital, why do dirt bikes have narrow tyres? By weighting the outside peg, the rider stays vertical and perpendicular to the ground, but must then countersteer to push the bike over a little to make the turn, banked into the corner, thus slightly - but necessarily - reducing the contact patch. This is not important on the dirt because keeping the rider's weight above the bike and the tyres' contact patch is what matters. Standing greatly raises (not lowers) the rider/bike centre of mass, but crucially directs the rider's weight much closer to the contact patch, thus reducing the lateral 'squirrely' forces on the tyres.
Generally speaking, bikes want to have the most narrow front wheel as is reasonably possible, for handling reasons. Such can be confirmed when trying to ride something with a fat front tire, like a Yamaha TW200 or the old Honda Fat Cat from the 80's. Huge, sluggish, wide tires are horrible for tracking and carving turns.
nice
Great video for new riders and new motorcycle owners. Thank you for posting.
Good stuff Eric. I always learn from your videos. Did I see a Harley Pan America in the Ride Adventures' fleet?
Butch, thanks for the note, and yep, next video up, two weeks from today, we publish the first review on the Pan America. Hope the leg is doing well.
This is great! Thank you. When steering with the rear wheel do I have to switch off the Traction Control?
"Yes and No." --- Some bikes these days have "Enduro" and "Rally" and other modes that include some Traction Control, but usually a less-sensitive version of it. Like reduced sensitivity by 80-90% instead of completely "off" and so.....it allows some steering with the rear.
Lovely video , I’m from india with lotz of great off-road . This video is actually very helpful
great teaching with warmth and beautyful explanation..thank sir
Enjoyed your class in the field ❤👍
this dude looks like the guy Brad Pitt (as Achilles) first kills in the movie Troy
Hah, if only that handsome : )
U make that t7 look like a little toy !!!! Thanks for sharing 👍❤️🙌
In some ways, it sure is a toy : ) Thanks for watching.
Riding in deep sand and how to make a u-turn on it if you have to turn around
Good ones. Deep Sand, yea, we've got to get that one filmed. Good news is we already did 4 Ways to Turn Around. Thanks for commenting: ruclips.net/video/UGEBC2WHsgw/видео.html
G’day mate great video, thanks for the tips! I know it’s a bit of a way (lol) but it would be great if you could run some courses down under, in Oz! Maybe after COVID?
Fred, thanks for that note, and please keep an eye out for the announcement of RIDE Adventures Training, just ahead : )
I have asked on numerous off-road technique channels, but have yet to actually receive even acknowledgement let alone help. My situation is: I’m 71 and stiffening up, my inseam is 29”, I ride a 2015 BMW R1200GS, factory lowered and I am NEW to off-roading having ridden motorcycles on road since 1967. PLEASE, can you help me learn how to upshift whilst standing on the pegs? I am able to downshift and use the back brake, but floating my left foot makes me feel unbalanced and out of contact with the bike! Please help! 🏍🏍👍👍
Henry, indeed, standing and shifting requires (for me anyway) sort of a weird "hip dip" that almost is never needed in any other part of life. "Hip dip" meaning, a lowering/grinding downward of your left hip in relation to the right hip, so as to lower the foot enough to get under that shift lever. ----- If your bike has a centerstand, maybe it would be best to just practice this in your driveway on the centerstand, so you can focus on what's needed physically and not have the distractions of actually riding simultaneously. Or, try standing with your right foot only on a block of wood or something, and feel what it takes to sort of "loop" the left foot down and get under that shift lever. Also, while I completely endorse the use of a full motocross-type boot, such might make it much more difficult than a softer, lighter, less-restrictive boot. AND, while not the safest thing to do, actually taking your left heel off the footpeg of course will help get the foot out/away from the lever to get under it and pull-up. ---- Hopefully some of that helps. Just keep in mind that it's a very unnatural movement, and therefore will probably forever feel awkward. Thanks for watching!
Many thanks, I will certainly give it a try, see how I get on with it. 🏍🏍👍👍
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Great video, thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching! Glad if any of it helps anyone.
Это мечта, в России нужно быть богатым чтобы купить такой байк
Может быть, скоро они появятся в России как подержанные мотоциклы? Надеюсь, что так. Похоже, что цены во всем мире разные. Здесь, в США, Tenere 700 очень недорогой, но в Чили и других местах ... очень дорогой. Катайтесь на том, что у вас есть, и наслаждайтесь!
Why do you wear the collar, it never seems to be attached to your helmet or your person.
They are definitely never supposed to attach to a helmet, as we need full head movement when riding. Some neck braces come with under-armpit straps, but that's not necessary from my experience.
Just a quick comment on modern ABS and traction control systems. Know your bike. Many have off road settings for both systems that when set properly will help you maintain traction and brake more quickly than when the systems are selected OFF.
When do you pinch your bike with legs and when do you keep legs lose?
Good question, but very tough to outline all the yes/no situations. We ultimately want to stay connected to the bike......not super tight, and not too loose. If I want to 'lift' the bike up for an obstacle or bump, of course that's a pinch-and-lift scenario. ---- Try it and experiment with it in a variety of scenarios, and notice what effect that has on the total situation. --- Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Maybe the coubtersteering technique worth discussing?
Helpful pointers. Looking forward to putting them into practice when the ice melts! Also, did you kick-start that T7 at 6:45?
What might be an interesting technique video for you to cover would be everyone’s favorite (other than sand…): rock-covered trails and baby-head fields!
Ahh, good ones. Both Sand, and Baby Head videos are on the way for sure. Thanks for chiming in.
@@RIDEAdventures thanks and I look forward to it. I like your straight-forward no-fluff style.
Outstanding video. Thanks, Eric!
Very welcome!
Thank you from KSA.
Thank you too, for watching. Bring some riders over to Oregon and the Pacific Northwest and some amazing dual sport riding!
I'm fairly new to these riding videos and this is the first one that I have seen the collar that you are wearing. May I ask what that is? Great video and proper advice!
Good stuff. One of my favorite channels.
I really love your videos and thanks for the reminders that you've given us here we all should be practicing them
Dolly, thanks for that note, and enjoy the most fun practice I know of : )
Hello, there are four adventurer models.
1- Suzuki Adventure 250 cc 2019
2- KTM Adventure 250 cc year 2021
3- Kawasaki Versys 250cc 2019
4- Honda CBR 250 cc year 2021
All motorcycles are new and unused.
Question:
I want to have an adventure every week or every two weeks, on good asphalt roads and cold, rainy and snowy mountain dirt roads or hot desert roads, asphalt and even desert. Which model is really the best? With accessories such as: protective guard and three boxes.
please guide me.
Thanks
I bought a Honda NC750XD automatic bike and now after 8 years I want to do gravel roads and it does ok, but I am going to buy a smaller bike so I can have my clutch back with no ABS. I found that only once did I need ABS in an emergency stop in the 8 years on the road, it never engages with the way I ride any way.
Thanks mate, doing a major solo trip that’ll involve some off road. While I’ve done trail riding it’s slow and steady type 😂
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