2019 Nissan Leaf E Plus First Look
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Nisaan's Leaf finally gets the promised 62kWh battery pack for over 220 miles of EV range. For better or worse rumors of the pack getting liquid cooling in this upgrade were unfounded. On the bright side, this likely means a shockingly low base price that we should hear very soon...
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Nissan completely is loosing me with eplus. Right now leasing my second LEAF which is 30kWh 2016 SV. After this i am done with Nissan. Many non sense things. No liquid cooling. Base model 62kWh but no DC charging port? Whats exactly the point of having long range EV with no fast charging??. So whats the point having 62kWh battery pack with no liquid cooling while it supports up to 70kW Chademo fast charging. Btw good luck finding Chademo capable charging over 50kW. Everyone switched to CCS. So the chance in future will be even less to find working CHademo station. The new stations now feature like 1 Chademo and 4 CCS. Honestly i am not sure what Nissan were thinking. Seems like they don't care really or didn't do they home work.
The SV and SL are 215 yeah? They are teasing us with those alloys on the show floor and the giant decal saying 226.
so for $37-38K u get a car that costs same as a KonaEV but worse in every way and shorter range and slower.
No water cooling is a dealbreaker for me
As in it actually wont work in your area's climate, or you just dont like it?
Bryce Exactly. Me too
Alan Bowers I don’t like all the known issues with air cooled batteries. I like the known improvements in reliability and safety that come with water cooled batteries. There’s a reason all the other companies with large battery EV’s are using water cooled batteries.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor It's certainly not ideal for people who travel a lot, but like Nissan mentions, it is a fine system for a majority of EV buyers. EVs are inherently compromised compared to ICE right now, and while this is further disadvantaged, the people who own and use EVs (aside from Tesla owners who I believe are in a category all their own in terms of expectation and use) will find this acceptable, especially for the price. And recall that the Leaf did the best in terms of cold and hot weather testing just performed recently. autoweek.com/article/green-cars/how-much-does-cold-weather-cut-electric-vehicle-range-quite-bit-aaa-study-finds
Same here, Had the chance to drive a few times the Leaf Mk1 and really liked it but after seeing all those used ones with many charging bars missing in the dash when being fully charged it really turned me off.
They've shot themselves in the foot with the ChadeMo charger. It's a huge deal breaker in the US.
I drove the 2018 Leaf and it is way better than any other gas car in its size. Also it needs CCS charging big time.
Yup, without CCS/DC fast charging it's a non starter.
Strippers are people too
I'll tell you what they're thinking. They are thinking it's still 2011 and they are leading the pack. I'm driving a 2015 Leaf S and it even has a fast charger. I never use it since I installed a level 2 in my garage, but I'd still want to have it for an emergency quick charge. My problem is that I really REALLY like everything about the Leaf from seating position to overall handling. I even like it better for commuting around town than my 2016 Volt Premier. The Volt has it beat when it comes to a road trip, or generally any drive that's over an hour, but that leaves a lot of room (and use) for the Leaf. Nissan, you teased us a couple of months ago with better batteries and liquid cooling, Then you regressed to forced air cooling. And now you're back to passive air cooling and your in-house brand batteries. What's it going to be on release, NiCads and a beer can heat sink???
Wait for the new Kia Soul ev
You said it has air cooling. Do you mean active air cooling or passive cooling like the existing Leaf? At least if it’s active cooling, it is actively moving heat away, even if it’s not as good as liquid cooled batteries.
That's a really good question, makes me wonder as well.
I did read a while back that Nissan was going to sell it battery plant in Smyrna TN.
I'm not sure if it actually happened
It's passive "cooling".
It is active, fan cooled
@@joa8593 give us proof. You probably won't find because your words are false.
@@TRYtoHELPyou twitter.com/NissanUK/status/1084021229198155776?s=20
I love your reviews. I wish you would review the Tesla Model 3 Mid range.
CCS for UK/US and battery conditioning is demanded now by customers. The car is a compromise without and losing sales.
No CCS & an air cooled battery, pass. Wouldn't even lease one.
So can I plug this into a regular home plug-???
Yes. But you will want to have an electrician install a 240 volt plug for about $350, to allow for quicker charging. Also, you'll need a 240 volt charger ($500). But well worth it and mandatory. If you use the regular wall socket, it will literally take over 24 hours to charge from low to full capacity.
Availability in all 50 states... how about serviceability in all 50 states. For example Alaska doesn't have any Leaf-certified dealerships, so while technically you could ship a Leaf to Alaska, you can't service it.
2019 and no active cooling? Are they just stupid or what? I mean why not make it an optional extra and see how the market responds? I don't care what chemistry they say they have improved, heat kills lithium batteries, no matter what improvements in chemistry they made to the battery.
Because physics.
You seem to think modifying the car so that it will have an actively cooled battery pack is the easiest thing in the world. In fact, for it to make a real difference and thus be meaningful, it would require a different chassis. That basically means making a brand new car. And doing so would be inordinately stupid considering that the e-Plus is the very last model Nissan plans to make on the original (2010) chassis.
The so-called "new generation" (2018) LEAF isn't a new "generation" as the word has typically been used in the industry. It is more substantially changed than typical "facelifts", but that is mainly because batteries have improved and it is now easy and cheap to pack 40 and even 60 kWh into the original space for the 24 kWh pack. BMW i3 also has doubled the battery pack capacity (now using the 120 Ah cells from Samsung SDI that are designed specifically to be a drop-in replacement for the 60 Ah cells they started out with, and the 94 Ah cells they used as a stop-gap). Yet nobody speaks of that being a "second-generation i3". Of course the 2018 LEAF also *looks* pretty different to the previous models, but only the very clueless would be ignorant enough to think the body or interior are "fundamental changes" to a car! For crying out loud, the Skoda Octavia station wagon is the same car as the VW Golf GTI, and everybody has known that for decades..!
It is the choire of amateurs who have zero insight into car engineering who are wrong, not the Nissan engineers and business people who decided to make the e+.
You could say Nissan should have created their true second-generation LEAF earlier (it is expected next year, presumably presented in September 2020 as a 2021 MY), but having zero knowledge about the financials or where the market is going or why Nissan made the choice they did, that would truly earn the adjective you apply to Nissan's engineers - "stupid".
Alex on Autos and every other profressional car reviewing outlet basically know very little about manufacturing cars, but have a good overview over the products that are available on the market at any given time. And they mostly understand this themselves. That is why you'll see many of them point out that the current LEAF isn't a great choice for people who want to drive 300+ miles in a single day with any frequency, but very few of them trying to tell us they are much smarter than Nissan and they "should have done X".
how about tax incentive?when is it expiring for Nissan?
I would like to have one in Aruba
* Insert Will Smith "That's hot" meme here *
226 or 215 mile range no water cooling or bev winter protection , the wrong side of 250 compared to the competition, and they still haven’t fixed that damm steering wheel adjustment, come on Nissan
Is it active air cooling or passive like the 40kwh version ?
Passive. Just like the 40kWh version.
@@HenriZwols thanks for the response but that really sucks, the cool air cooler like the env200 would've been ok
Extended range models need to be over 300. 150 works for 95% of people and the few who need more need a lot more. My mother drives 200+ miles a day sometimes and would just run out of car considering the cold climate and the fact theres usually people besides her in it. And with virtually no public charging stations in the northeast, there would be no way to recharge on the go, and it would take too long as it needs to be 10 minutes or less in her case. The car she drives now gets about 450 miles on a single tank, so she can reliably fill it and then go out for a long day of driving. Until charging gets faster or ranges get drastically longer, the long range models are kinda pointless
I agree that your mother's use case does not lend itself well to the current crop of EVs--however, the list of public EV charging stations is growing and Electrify America (which is the penance VW had to pay for its dieselgate scandal) is putting up fast-charging stations now in the northeast (and elsewhere). So in a few years I don't think the lack of fast-charging will be much of an excuse anymore for most people. Though again, your mother's case is different since she needs a lot more range than the average driver. By the way, the Tesla Model 3's long-range model does have 310 miles of range and I believe the Model S has a large battery that gives about 335 miles of range. So, I expect as battery prices fall we'll see larger batteries and longer ranges as well.
@@marjoriehall9984 teslas up here just dont exist sadly. But like I said 95% of people the leaf would be amazing. Just saying the extended range option is kinda dumb as its not enough for the people who truly need it.
North east is jam packed with DC fast charging. Go to plugshare
@@james2042 are you in the US? Go to Tesla dot com slash used and you will see many Tesla's in the north east, used. New ones can be delivered to stores there too
Then your mother should stick to ICE for now. Electric cars are great, but they are not the right solution for everyone, especially if one lives in a cold climate.
3:40 Nothing wrong with an air-cooled battery pack, lots of cars have it like Hyundai's and Kia's EVs and the VW e-golf. Sure liquid cooling is better, but more costly and weights more. Air cooling will suffice in most climates if it's active cooling, using air conditioned air. The problem with the Leaf is that it doesn't have active air cooling, just ambient air.
Alex, what happend to CHADEMO? At the (recent) (re)dawn of electric cars, it seemed like CHADEMO was _THE_ standard for charging aside from Tesla who built out a proprietary system. Now it seems to have died. Do you know what happened?
The CCS connector was deemed the superior connector
Chademo is too big a connector and heavy with limited speed. CCS is smaller, lighter and can do 150 amps not 50/70 amps and most other evs have this.
Nissan has to hit rock bottom at some point, and I think this is it. Years of Jatco CVTs, and now, non-liquid cooled EVs. Hopefully new management is on the way.
This has a 62 kWh battery. The Kona EV has a 64 kWh battery. This is a car. The Kona a CUV. This gets 226 miles of range. The Kona gets 258. How?
The Kona is narrower and shorter overall. This causes reduced wind resistance. Also, the Hyundai/Kia likely use a slightly more efficient motor. Overall efficiency is essentially identical to the Niro EV for instance.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Thanks 🙂👍
Shame it doesn't have CCS, when that is becoming the defacto standard.
Outside Japan. Going with CSS in Japan would be a bad idea. :)
in the UAE, E-plus is 91 octane fuel
Get out of here with that pfp
That is horrific! In Norway it isn't even legal to sell gasoline that is below 95 octane (and many still prefer the even more expensive 98-octane "super").
@@dojohansen123 Europe measures octane differently than the rest of the world
Steel wheels good god
leaf + e++
This is just a Renault Clío😂😂😂😂 smh all Renault parts smh only if Renault and Nissan part ways Nissan would make good care again using French company to make their cars worst idea
"using French company to smile their cars " - Can you translate that into a version we might understand?
TheGerm24 edited😂😂 auto correct smh
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