The reason why the script-change was made that altered "brains as subprocessors" to "body-heat batteries" was all due to dense corporate executives being unable to understand the concept and too afraid that the audience wouldn't be able to understand it either. Hooray, executive meddling.
It really is too bad... If they stuck with the humans-as-subprocessors thing, not only does the Matrix makes sense in a basic why-keep-humans way.. It would also explain why AIs become much more complicated with an assortment of feels beyond their original function. Thus, the second and third movies would have a better excuse for the stunts they pull, and would have sucked less.
ChaosWolf1982 still doesn't explain the Matrix though. Human brains provide the processing power to run the simulation to harvest the processing power of human Brains? That's still a self contained system, unless this is their version of reality TV the Matrix is still nothing but a drain on power and other resources
After watching the Animatrix and learning about the Machines back story, I figured that the Matrix was more about keeping humanity around than for power generation. They didn't want to destroy us, but couldn't let us run around trying to destroy them or the world. So the Matrix is just a prison.
the only thing I want to point out is that machines did not enslave the human race in 1999. The matrix simulated 1999 cause as they explained it was the time machines considered to be a pinnacle for humans and also a very comfortable era for human minds to continuously recycle. the machines conquered us hundreds of years later tho in reality and the matrix has rebooted several times since.
That's true but if almost every avatar in the matrix was linked to an actual human brain then the populations would have to match. I mean if their are more people linked to the matrix than are IN the matrix, how exactly does that work? Also, given that population growth is tapering off, and the fact that a decades or centuries long,worldwide war between humans and machines would have massive human casualties, the population would be devastated. It may even have taken a few centuries and reboots in order to get the population back UP to 1999 numbers. Remember the first few attempts were to make a utopia, and the more people crammed into a space the more problems tend to pop up, so the first few attempts may have been with fewer humans. If we're going with the movie's numbers, the 1999 population produced 3x the power they needed, so they could have made the first iterations with 1/3 the population.
@Bad Cattitude while I do not rule out the possibility of NPCs within the Matrix, and they obviously existed in the Matrix online, I've always assumed the human battery population was simply whatever was necessary, no more no less. The Architect was very clear and prideful about the overall efficiency of the machines nature.
That's why I liked the Mass Effect series species, the Geth. They intentionally didn't destroy their own creators (the Quarians) because they could not predict what the outcome of their creator's extinction would be. Once they drove them offworld, they let them go.
The processor idea definitely makes more sense. Leech neurons have been assembled into a calculator for example. Plus, as an analog computer, it would be far more efficient than a digital matrix. Maybe the humans are only told they are batteries for the matrix, when it's really just batteries to offset some of the feeding and reproduction costs.
The creators originally wanted the machines using human brains as cpu's but the producers felt the general public would not understand at the time the movie came out. Which does make more sense.
+Morgan Dickinson lol.... I think they could had added both things to the script. Just as batteries doesn't make sense, since the biggest difference we have from other animals is our brain capacity. Also humans have unlimited potential for creativity, so would be another reason they want to keep us around and under their control, without us knowing. Sad that humans walk around with these super computers on their heads yet we underestimate our selves so much , lmao
madjunir "Humans have unlimited potential for creativity" the idea that a true AI wouldn't be able to be at the very least as creative as a human comes from a time and mindset that still thinks of an AI as a really smart calculator. There is no logical reason to think that a fully realized and self aware artificial intelligence wouldn't be as creative as any human mind.
Achatius1982.... All I said was the original idea was not that but instead to use them as CPUs you don't harness power from a CPU you use it to process data, the human brain would actually be very effective especially that many, the battery thing was all movie
@@tchoythao1730 In the Matrix animated tv series, it was shown that the reason humans are batteries is to act as a mercy to the humans, and to place them within the matrix as an alternative to causing their extinction
@@freddykrueger8076 it also says that they are their alternative power supply. It was decided by producers to try and cause a more easily understandable reason for the aufience to fear it. The original draft idea was more realistic of using the humans as extra processing, but it meant the machines had less need for humans and generate less hope.
The Matrix in my own theory is a simulation of social experiments. The energy is a lie as the characters never escape from it, they just went to another layer of the Matrix.
+Nerdist ever heard of the theory the there are two matrixes and the energy production is simply a ruse to keep the people in the second layer (Zion) occupied because statistically 1% of humanity would be unable to accept a utopia and would see the illusion in front of them. The entire reason the first matrix failed was that it was designed as a utopia for humans. It would explain A LOT. I think someone might have even covered this on youtube too, probably game theory has something on this. You should check.
A better question would be why didn't the machines clear out whatever it was the humans put in the sky to obscure the sun? They had the time, the means and the intelligence to do it. Or they could have built solar arrays hovering above the clouds and harvested solar energy that way. Or they could have moved into space and built their civilization out there, leaving humans to eek out a miserable existence on their ruined planet.
the way i always thought of it was the "form of fusion" basically just multiplies our bodies electrical output, making humans efficient power sources. their "form of fusion" needs a steady, reliable electrical source to multiply..so the fusion they use just takes the little electricity we put out and triples or quadruples our output.
It turned out that Neo was the sixth 'One', my friends and I always thought that since the matrix needed the 'free' humans to 'balance the equation' and the first 'One' was told that the machines needed to interact with humans to properly develop their A.I. when they released him but part of the conditions of that release, he was not allowed to tell the other humans the 'truth' so when he was asked why the matrix existed , he replied with "We empower them", and it was then interpreted as 'we provide energy to run the machines.'
Thanks for this. I just watched The Matrix. Cool. But, the math did make me wonder: how do they feed everyone; or, clean up after everyone; and, how do they produce anything without the sun?
Hey Kyle, I just thought of a big request.. Could you make a video on how the Gura-Gura no Mi of One Piece works? Like the... Science! .. behind it. Would be really glad if you could make that happen. There is also a line in the story, where Sengoku says Whitebeard could destroy the whole world with that power .. Can you elaborate on that? Like how that could be. My theory is on causing a huge tsunami/vulcano erruption. But you know.. scientific facts needed!
Kyle, I would love to see you cover the Final Fantasy VII version of the Shinra Power Company's accumulation and distribution of sustaining the world. For those of you that aren't hip to this, tapping into the Earth's energy to provide power to those who live on it. I think it would be great for a reveal once the game revision has come out or possibly before-hand. I personally have looked into this, Thermodynamic and Geothermal power being the most applicable, but I would love to see your personal take on it. Thank you for your consideration.
kind of like he said at the end, the machines don't really want the humans for power, part of them still wants to coexist with humans. they even describe it as a "symbiotic" relationship.
First love this show! Second we're dealing with an unknown amount of time in the future so they could have many trillions of people for all we know, they could even be running multiple layers of the matrix beside one another (similar to how they have different servers for online video games). Finally since we're dealing with an undisclosed period of time in the future I'm sure they have maximized out human bodies output and over the 6 iterations of the matrix (assuming that each one was the span of at least several generations we could be looking at them perfecting this process over thousands of years). Just food for thought.
This reminds me of The Ricks must be crazy. And also, since Nietzsche hated this platonic theory, he would hate your video, but we don't, keep the great work!
Entertaining video, as always! They did mention in the matrix that they don't grow food for the humans - they liquefy dead humans and feed them to the rest. That being said, there's still a step missing there, because Second Law of Thermodynamics. Also, the brain-network idea is great! Why they changed that is a mystery to me.
+Chris Vitullo Thank you! And you're right: liquefying the dead to intravenously feed them to the living only works if the dead people were also fed something at some point. Go back far enough in the chain and there has to be food other than bodies somewhere.
+Kyle Hill All life on earth (with the exception of some bacteria and simple lifeforms living near volcanic vents) is derivative of the sun's energy. Mind-blowingly, only about 1% of the sun's energy which hits the planet is needed for this. You remove the sun and virtually everything eventually dies, and they state in the movie that the humans blocked out the sun to depower the machines. However, it's clear that the sun isn't completely blocked out, and even if those clouds are made of something highly radiation absorbent, it's likely that more than 1% is still making it through the upper atmosphere. We see in the film that the humans are kept in giant columns. This is pure speculation, but a potential solution would be that atop those giant columns they have large vats filled with photosynthetic microorganisms, and these provide the additional carbohydrates lacking when one human is fed to another. That would still be rather roundabout. However, it's possible that the machines use organic compounds in their own construction. Even in our very real world scientists are looking into the possibilities of DNA in making transistors which would be a quarter of the size of our current transistors. Perhaps the machines harvest nucleotides from dying "batteries." Also highly likely is one of the ideas mentioned in this video: the idea that the machines use the humans for processing power. The smartest machine on the planet (Watson) likely uses many kilowatts of energy, after all my rather dumb machine uses an 800 watt power source. The human brain uses only 12. Your average 60 watt bulb is using 5x as much energy as your brain. In other words, if you had a brilliant enough idea to light a light bulb over your head, you'd be the smartest person on Earth.
+Chris Vitullo The brain network is a cool idea, but it would have made the humans a little too important in the grand scheme of things. It just doesn't quite have that "under the heel of the machines feel" to that "humans turned into batteries" does.
Rob Pegler But it also gives the machines a real reason to try to keep every human inside the matrix. To me, the "people as batteries" thing just never quite held water. If it was power the machines needed from us, there are much, much more efficient ways to get that power rather than using humans - there are just too many possible points of failure in a system meant to subjugate a sentient species. It also makes WAY more sense that learning that the matrix isn't real allows one to subtly change it if - and only if - the brains are the processors keeping the matrix running. Last I checked, my power supply on my PC doesn't do any actual "thinking", the processors do.
Chris Vitullo I agree the "humans as a power source" thing is kinda dumb . Maybe as an emergency measure until the machines could properly establish their own infrastructure, fine. But by Neo and Morpheus' day - when they've apparently been through six versions of the Matrix, the free humans are living in a huge subterranean city which _isn't_ powered by man-batteries, and the machines are capable of building and deploying enough sentinels to wipe the place out _and_ defend their own territory- it seems a bit far-fetched to think that they couldn't create some other power source. And if they had to use humans, why allow them to develop mentally so that they have to be put in a simulation to keep them from rebelling? Why not just breed them as mindless vegetables who spend their whole lives in an induced coma? Or recreate the world as a pre-industrial society where computers don't exist? If you're trying to keep your slaves from figuring out they're in a computer simulation, putting them in a world where some of them can become hackers is just asking for trouble. But then, using humans as disposable batteries is much more insulting, so it works better for that "omg, we're all just slaves to the machines" vibe. That moment where Morpheus holds up a battery to represent the current value of the human race wouldn't have had nearly as much impact if he was holding up a pentium processor.
Kyle you should do a video just on the Computer Simulation Theory! I know its a crazy theory, but I would love to hear what you have to say! The Ted Talks was interesting, figured its right up your alley!
The original story actually stated the brains were used for the nature of a sort of RAM sticks, but the studio that was running the film told the creators that a world just introduced to the computer would have little idea of what this was, or would be very confused if they did. Hence, they were made into "batteries".
You know that the Wachowskys original vision was that the machines used the human brains as computing power, not as an energy source, but the studio had it changed.
Actually in the movie the amniotic fluid in which humans are floating in their tanks is basically human smoothie. It's human remains repurposed as liquide food.
So nice to find something worthwhile on my idle youtubing. :D I love it when you talk nerdy to me ;) and it doesn't hurt that you're easy on the eyes. Aw dangit, *not fangirling not fangirling...* gya! Maybe I'll watch another six videos or so to take my mind off it. Also: are you writing backwards onto the screen? If so, mad props, that's an impressive skill to have, and I like how dexterous you are with the markers. Peace out!
I like older Because Science episodes, like this, so much better. There aren't stupid jokes every half a second, just the science. You can even tell the difference from the run times of episodes then and now. I don't mind jokes, but current BS has them in excess.
The original authors wrote that they grew humans for calculated computations. Using our minds as basically a computer CPU. The movie producer said that was too confusing and went with the dumb battery theory.
Since we are talking fantasy, we have to assume the machines, over time, found an alternate food source for the humans to consume. Also the machines worked around the problem of energy loss, at least to some degree.
+Dawud G Delves There is still a theoretical upper limit to the efficiency of a heat base power source, coming from the second law of thermodynamics. Furthermore, the theoretical efficiency is lower if the power source isn't very hot, and humans aren't really that hot
+Nerdist You also forgot that the internet is not a simulation. most of it are just webpages and videos, but a simulation (wich is great enough to simulate a whole detailed world) like in a video game is much much more intense and needs way more power than the internet (sorry for bad english, german potato here)
G Nk Most humans are driveling fools who pose no threat. The machines had to use a source that was readily available at their time of conquest. The Matrix movie really didn't give an actual timeline as to when the Neo lead rebellion takes place, after The Matrix was built. Maybe the human energy source was a temporary fix while something more efficient was being created? Once again this is fiction so you have to assume that the machines worked out all the kinks.
Love this show man, Nerdist is probably my most favoured channel right now on YT :) -Could you possibly explain the science behind the creation of fictional SPARTAN-II super-soldiers in the Halo videogame franchise? Sorry for asking this if it's already been done. I will search for such if so!
yeah, and how do they keep hair from growing while encapsulated? and are dead and melted humans pumped back into the living batteries/humans nutritionally enough to sustain life? how is the waste from the batteries handled?
Human can be used as the electrolyte in a galvanic cell. The pharaohs used a device known as the "cylinders of the pharaoh" made from copper(anode) and zinc(cathode) cylinders filled with quartz when held produce up to 1.5 volts. The copper is held in the right hand which is the positive flow of ions and the zinc is held in the left hand which is the negative flow of ions through the electrolyte(human body). Make them yourself or get them on amazon or etsy.
It is worth noting that the BTUs suggested were not directly linked to generating power, and the 8k to 10k is based on a normal persons doing normal things. As you separated the brain from the body, it is possible they could push the body to the 25k number, since the muscle mass for formed in all of the bodies, but we saw the membranes could not resist tearing when strained by human movement. Neo later learned how to move his muscles, but he didn't have to grow them. The bio-electrical is impossible to calculate using the included methods, since intrusive wiring was introduced throughout the body, so resistance is not measurable. You can finally get to the point where weird fusion, using the non-cognitive brain functions, could be used to operate whatever passed for a reactor, with the heat / bioelectricity driving that brain powering that subsystem in place solar powered controllers. The Matrix is used to bleed off the neural problems created by consciousness, and humans are the shape of grown computers instead of mechanic computers. As for the Internet Powered by, those numbers are worse than useless. They rely on isolated and dispersed computing, with tons of redundancy. They also have 0% thermal recovery, where even more power is used to disperse heat, but not recover it. Computers are one of the largest AC draws in buildings with a data center :p So this is bad sort of science, and does not resemble anything nerd like. More like the excited kid who wanted to hang out with a few nerds.
Don't forget about the hardware. there were supposed to be miles are farms where humans were grown. and they people had pods that I assume ran on energy.
After playing Fallout 4 Automatron, it ocurred to me which is, if the robobrains used it's brain for processing reasons then perhaps it makes more sense for the machines in Matrix to do the same.
If we ever find a definitive end to Pi, the square root of two, or some other infinite series. I will take this as personal proof that we live in a computer. Computers have finite processing power, so you couldn't have an infinite number of digits of Pi.
Morpheus wasn't saying that humans were actually being used as batteries, he was just using a battery as a metaphor for how humans were being used as an energy source.
They never made it into the real world. The Matrix was multi-tiered and the battery explanation that Morpheus gave was a red herring that he fell for. Humans were actually being used as processors.
Although it's the 90's inside of the Matrix, the Matrix timeline takes place somewhere between year 2199 and 2700, so there could be many more billions of people used as batteries than just 6. Doesn't change the fact that it takes more energy to keep the humans alive than what you'd get out of them as batteries, but still.
As previous comments stated there is a big time jump of hundreds of years between 1999 and when the matrix created. Interestingly because of how cpus function as the nano architecture decreases in size from say 14 to 10 or 7 nanometers the efficiency of the power consumption in equal to performance actually increases. So as our silicon wafer technology becomes better and architectures become better it becomes easier to power devices like cellphones for example for a longer time with no real decreases in performance and with only smaller innovations in battery technology. Which is one of the reasons that lifespan of batteries has become more of an emphasis in the technology field rather than new battery tech or big increases in power to size ratio. Ultimately it may be in 100+ years that we can power a vastly expanded internet at the same or minimal increases in theory.
There's still the possibility of tapping into geothermal power to supplement the human batteries, and who's to say the machines wouldn't make faster and faster iterative improvements on both efficiency and processing power?
+Bill Malcolm Exactly what I was thinking. If we are making processors on smaller and smaller scales and improving performance per watt who's to say that by the time the matrix takes place (I think Morpheus states that the events of the film take place closer to 2199 in his big reveal to Neo) that the machines wouldn't have drastically increased the performance per watt of everything that sustains them. This would mean that they could maintain the matrix on a fraction of the estimates given for the current power that humans use to sustain the internet
Yeah.... I think the reason it was changed was to make it more easily understandable to the common audience. It makes far more sense with the original script context vs what we got. I think if it were made today more people would be able to understand the original script and well.... we wouldn't have ended up with one of the weirdest plot holes in a movie's premise.
Gah I would have LOVED if they went with their original idea. It would have provided so many cool tools for story telling, like what happens to the matrix when multiple minds are unplugged from it. It would give the machines a heck of a lot more motivation to keep everyone jacked in. This still only allows the perpetuation of the Matrix itself. You would still need to come up with a reason to have it in the first place. Possibly so they can leech off the human's creative spark, whatever that might mean? Who knows.
I think they made the change because Computers were still at the time relatively new and the idea of networks and processing power was harder to understand than the idea of using humans as batteries
While I know the original intent of LITERAL neural network makes more sense, I always took it as the machines literally having empathy. The architect shows something of this form time and time again, by allowing The One to be a thing at all. I figured that they kept humans around as 'batteries' or processors, not because of need (they can make far better versions of both), but because they felt an obligation to their creators.
the robots cant grow food but in the movie they said something along the lines of liquefying the dead to feed the living intravenously.. but would that be enough nourishment to feed the living?
The problem is, that body heat has to come from something. And the argument has to be made that a machine that could convert food directly to energy would be more efficient than a human body.
Big arguments between me and someone about if this is a reasonable possibility, human batteries. I argue, heck no, aside from there's gotta be a better way, scortched sky or nah. I argue rats (or preferably something stupid, as brains are expensive) or bugs would be far better, assuming potatoe or geothermal wouldn't manage. I don't know my human biology explicitly enough to ready drag up good research, but think in my leisurely documentary absorption i heard we were strongly dependent on cooked food because improved bioavailability. He says we're all that's left and blah blah blah. Could you weigh in? Other question, less fought over, but related when I think about it: how much does the flash have to eat? Hummingbirds live to eat, so, ya know, wow.
This assumes that there have been no improvements in efficiency in any technology involving collecting or storing energy from humans. Since the machines demonstrate anti-gravity technology in the real world, this is unlikely. Also, food can be created chemically, it doesn't have to be grown and processed. It doesn't even have to taste good, since it's pumped directly into the stomach, and /that/ assumes that nutrients aren't injected directly into the bloodstream, preserving the energy that would normally go to digestion.
Humans are mostly water and hydrocarbons, and an excellent source of hydrogen. Extract that hydrogen from their bodies for nuclear fusion, use the non-nuclear energy to initiate the fusion process. Also they've got great processing power.
The population in 1999 was drastically reduced by the machine wars before the Matrix was created, but I don't think a figure is given. Also, the food/nourishment for the humans in pods are deceased humans liquified, refined, and fed back to them. Now 2019...I wish more was done with The Matrix that was more like the first movie.
Hey Kyle; big fan. Just curious... If we ARE living in a simulation, that would mean that some kind of machine were generating our experience of reality. That means a finite number of calculations per second. So that means we should be able to overload it and cause it to slow down... Could we even perform this? How many individual particles would we need to simulate and be aware of before reality starts to break down? Is the simulation itself just my experience of reality with everyone else being NPCs, or are all humans, or even every single living thing also being generated by the same process, and have their own experiences? That works be an insane amount of processing and storage capacity... But the universe is clearly a crazy awesome place. If the latter is true, my dog is just as aware, albeit with a different set of resources, as I am. Thanks for making these videos. Because Science.
Whar if Morpheus' numbers were right but here in the Matrix, the machines alter the laws of biophysics down, would Neo notice the increase in Body Heat and Bio-electricity when in the real world?
But wasn't the point to power the machines after the sky was blackened? I always assumed the matrix would require far less than needed to power themselves. For example 10% of power to sustain the matrix and the remainder to power all their other robotics and such. Btw what do the humans use for power? That would be a cool because science video. Fossil fuel? Did they secretly tap the human power grid?
the purpose of the human power source wasn't just to run the Matrix, it was to help power the entire machine civilisation. The Matrix just facilitated in maintaining the power flow
The Architect said even though they are for the most part dependent on Human Beings, there are other even though less ideal, energy sources they could turn to if they were desperate.
Plato : The FORM of a perfect circle precedes any perfect circle that could exist or not.... And there all the math that "describes" the circle....If we created a robot with a mind-chip that is as intricate and fine ( or even beyond) as a human brain, then soul-matrix would "flow into or own" that robot....just like a simple crack on the pavement would "hold" a simple lot of water in that crack and a "complicated" would hole a complicated water form, like a water puddle.... In short, I am being owned. When I meditate deeply, I get a glimpse of that for a few seconds but soon I am immersed in this all the "stuff" of daily life...Money, sex, emotions, social rights...etc But, I feel good about being "owned".....
It would make more sense to harvest humans in the way they did in Jupiter Ascending. They let the population grow by itself and then harvest them that way they wouldn't have to feed them their whole lives like in the matrix. It would be a lot more efficient.
IMO, the main point was to boot the humans up to the Matrix with nuclear fusion as the main energy source, and they would just use the energy that their bodies produced in order to not waste anything.
The machines feed off are consciousness (battery) that is how it achieves singularity everything the learn they learn from us forms an algorithm until the creation becomes the creator
to be true... humans as CPU is a good "Because Science" theme. In the Matrix Online game lore... they explain how that "humans as cpu" works... Basically explanation: Machines develop a very efficient fusion energy source... but in order to use it, very powerfull eletro-magnetc arcs , and eletronagnetic field is part of the system. So... any circuit close by... just fry... like hit by in EMP (with... you see in the movie XD). But the machines need the power anyway... so... they came with a solution, biological processor... they tried just use neurons and stuff but does not seen to work. mind need to be active, more and constant interconections need to be made in order to reair the damage done with the electrical discharge... so they pick the best biological mind avalible... human brain... and problem solved !! Until we get stressed and everyone die (1st matrix) ... so... lets make it a paradise, no stress, no problem.... human fail to see that as reality, lots of rejections (2nd matrix)... so... lets try fear and pain, maybe that work ! copy the games !! put vampires, and phantons!! (3rd matrix.. the one freshman came from) ... and fail... so.... f*** ... copy the time were there was most of the humans... what are the last records?? late 1990? mid 2000th ? cool go with that.... and it works.... there is this NEO bug... but well... it works...
here's my question. if the machines needed human body heat (putting aside other sources of abundant energy such as geothermal, nuclear fission, fossil fuel etc which dont rely on the sun) because the humans "scorched the sky" then how did they have the energy to setup the massive powerplants where "humans are grown not born"
The reason why the script-change was made that altered "brains as subprocessors" to "body-heat batteries" was all due to dense corporate executives being unable to understand the concept and too afraid that the audience wouldn't be able to understand it either.
Hooray, executive meddling.
Yeah. Basically, they were using humans as wetware to 'house' the simulation and provide processing power. Ah well.
Another evidence that corporations do not know what's best.
It really is too bad... If they stuck with the humans-as-subprocessors thing, not only does the Matrix makes sense in a basic why-keep-humans way.. It would also explain why AIs become much more complicated with an assortment of feels beyond their original function.
Thus, the second and third movies would have a better excuse for the stunts they pull, and would have sucked less.
what's the difference between what you said and a neuro network. or is it the same thing.
ChaosWolf1982 still doesn't explain the Matrix though. Human brains provide the processing power to run the simulation to harvest the processing power of human Brains? That's still a self contained system, unless this is their version of reality TV the Matrix is still nothing but a drain on power and other resources
After watching the Animatrix and learning about the Machines back story, I figured that the Matrix was more about keeping humanity around than for power generation. They didn't want to destroy us, but couldn't let us run around trying to destroy them or the world. So the Matrix is just a prison.
That makes more sense. Than the BS story in the 1st movie
the only thing I want to point out is that machines did not enslave the human race in 1999. The matrix simulated 1999 cause as they explained it was the time machines considered to be a pinnacle for humans and also a very comfortable era for human minds to continuously recycle. the machines conquered us hundreds of years later tho in reality and the matrix has rebooted several times since.
Applekations yup plus there is a couple of hudrend of years between each reboot.
That's true but if almost every avatar in the matrix was linked to an actual human brain then the populations would have to match. I mean if their are more people linked to the matrix than are IN the matrix, how exactly does that work? Also, given that population growth is tapering off, and the fact that a decades or centuries long,worldwide war between humans and machines would have massive human casualties, the population would be devastated. It may even have taken a few centuries and reboots in order to get the population back UP to 1999 numbers. Remember the first few attempts were to make a utopia, and the more people crammed into a space the more problems tend to pop up, so the first few attempts may have been with fewer humans. If we're going with the movie's numbers, the 1999 population produced 3x the power they needed, so they could have made the first iterations with 1/3 the population.
@Bad Cattitude while I do not rule out the possibility of NPCs within the Matrix, and they obviously existed in the Matrix online, I've always assumed the human battery population was simply whatever was necessary, no more no less. The Architect was very clear and prideful about the overall efficiency of the machines nature.
That's why I liked the Mass Effect series species, the Geth. They intentionally didn't destroy their own creators (the Quarians) because they could not predict what the outcome of their creator's extinction would be. Once they drove them offworld, they let them go.
The processor idea definitely makes more sense. Leech neurons have been assembled into a calculator for example. Plus, as an analog computer, it would be far more efficient than a digital matrix. Maybe the humans are only told they are batteries for the matrix, when it's really just batteries to offset some of the feeding and reproduction costs.
The creators originally wanted the machines using human brains as cpu's but the producers felt the general public would not understand at the time the movie came out. Which does make more sense.
+Morgan Dickinson lol.... I think they could had added both things to the script. Just as batteries doesn't make sense, since the biggest difference we have from other animals is our brain capacity.
Also humans have unlimited potential for creativity, so would be another reason they want to keep us around and under their control, without us knowing.
Sad that humans walk around with these super computers on their heads yet we underestimate our selves so much , lmao
+Morgan Dickinson But, how does it make sense to run the matrix to harness power to run the matrix... That's highly ineffective
madjunir "Humans have unlimited potential for creativity" the idea that a true AI wouldn't be able to be at the very least as creative as a human comes from a time and mindset that still thinks of an AI as a really smart calculator. There is no logical reason to think that a fully realized and self aware artificial intelligence wouldn't be as creative as any human mind.
Achatius1982.... All I said was the original idea was not that but instead to use them as CPUs you don't harness power from a CPU you use it to process data, the human brain would actually be very effective especially that many, the battery thing was all movie
@@TildaM1994 all I'm asking is for the source or reference to this very popular rumor?
Why is Thor hosting a science show?
cuz thanos died
Leave him alone loki lol
But it wan't really 1999, it was an unknown distant future, so who knows how big the human battery farm was.
But wouldn't everything else be better battery than a human, like a potato, or a battery?
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In the Matrix animated tv series, it was shown that the reason humans are batteries is to act as a mercy to the humans, and to place them within the matrix as an alternative to causing their extinction
@@freddykrueger8076 it also says that they are their alternative power supply. It was decided by producers to try and cause a more easily understandable reason for the aufience to fear it. The original draft idea was more realistic of using the humans as extra processing, but it meant the machines had less need for humans and generate less hope.
@@freddykrueger8076 btw, did you get the reference?
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What reference, you mean batteries being better batteries than humans?
The Matrix in my own theory is a simulation of social experiments. The energy is a lie as the characters never escape from it, they just went to another layer of the Matrix.
wow i love how he uses 2 markers holding them like that while also using his left hand and still manages to have good handwrighting
"Deja vu" I thought I went back in the video by mistake lol
Me too 😂
Is anyone else just super blown away by Kyle's skill at drawing and writing backwards?
Man I love this show!
BRB time to watch the Matrix again
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+Nerdist ever heard of the theory the there are two matrixes and the energy production is simply a ruse to keep the people in the second layer (Zion) occupied because statistically 1% of humanity would be unable to accept a utopia and would see the illusion in front of them. The entire reason the first matrix failed was that it was designed as a utopia for humans. It would explain A LOT. I think someone might have even covered this on youtube too, probably game theory has something on this. You should check.
+Ultra-Ethereal it's film theory that covered it. same matpat different channel.
Great stuff as always, Kyle. Many thanks, now I'm feeling the itch to watch the entire Matrix story over again...
+Andre Esters Thank you!
A better question would be why didn't the machines clear out whatever it was the humans put in the sky to obscure the sun? They had the time, the means and the intelligence to do it. Or they could have built solar arrays hovering above the clouds and harvested solar energy that way. Or they could have moved into space and built their civilization out there, leaving humans to eek out a miserable existence on their ruined planet.
why robots don't use electric eels?
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Bill Cosby LMFAO!
the way i always thought of it was the "form of fusion" basically just multiplies our bodies electrical output, making humans efficient power sources. their "form of fusion" needs a steady, reliable electrical source to multiply..so the fusion they use just takes the little electricity we put out and triples or quadruples our output.
Morpheus also states that the dead are fed to the living.
It turned out that Neo was the sixth 'One', my friends and I always thought that since the matrix needed the 'free' humans to 'balance the equation' and the first 'One' was told that the machines needed to interact with humans to properly develop their A.I. when they released him but part of the conditions of that release, he was not allowed to tell the other humans the 'truth' so when he was asked why the matrix existed , he replied with "We empower them", and it was then interpreted as 'we provide energy to run the machines.'
Thanks for this. I just watched The Matrix. Cool. But, the math did make me wonder: how do they feed everyone; or, clean up after everyone; and, how do they produce anything without the sun?
Hey Kyle, I just thought of a big request.. Could you make a video on how the Gura-Gura no Mi of One Piece works? Like the... Science! .. behind it. Would be really glad if you could make that happen. There is also a line in the story, where Sengoku says Whitebeard could destroy the whole world with that power .. Can you elaborate on that? Like how that could be. My theory is on causing a huge tsunami/vulcano erruption. But you know.. scientific facts needed!
Dear Kyle I find your show really amazing! Entertaing and educating at the same time! Brilliant work!!!
Kyle, I would love to see you cover the Final Fantasy VII version of the Shinra Power Company's accumulation and distribution of sustaining the world. For those of you that aren't hip to this, tapping into the Earth's energy to provide power to those who live on it. I think it would be great for a reveal once the game revision has come out or possibly before-hand. I personally have looked into this, Thermodynamic and Geothermal power being the most applicable, but I would love to see your personal take on it. Thank you for your consideration.
First! I don't care if it's weird.
GMM righr
C'mon Kyle. Don't be "that" guy.
kind of like he said at the end, the machines don't really want the humans for power, part of them still wants to coexist with humans. they even describe it as a "symbiotic" relationship.
First love this show! Second we're dealing with an unknown amount of time in the future so they could have many trillions of people for all we know, they could even be running multiple layers of the matrix beside one another (similar to how they have different servers for online video games). Finally since we're dealing with an undisclosed period of time in the future I'm sure they have maximized out human bodies output and over the 6 iterations of the matrix (assuming that each one was the span of at least several generations we could be looking at them perfecting this process over thousands of years). Just food for thought.
This reminds me of The Ricks must be crazy. And also, since Nietzsche hated this platonic theory, he would hate your video, but we don't, keep the great work!
This may be the best Cause Science yet
Entertaining video, as always! They did mention in the matrix that they don't grow food for the humans - they liquefy dead humans and feed them to the rest. That being said, there's still a step missing there, because Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Also, the brain-network idea is great! Why they changed that is a mystery to me.
+Chris Vitullo Thank you! And you're right: liquefying the dead to intravenously feed them to the living only works if the dead people were also fed something at some point. Go back far enough in the chain and there has to be food other than bodies somewhere.
+Kyle Hill All life on earth (with the exception of some bacteria and simple lifeforms living near volcanic vents) is derivative of the sun's energy. Mind-blowingly, only about 1% of the sun's energy which hits the planet is needed for this. You remove the sun and virtually everything eventually dies, and they state in the movie that the humans blocked out the sun to depower the machines. However, it's clear that the sun isn't completely blocked out, and even if those clouds are made of something highly radiation absorbent, it's likely that more than 1% is still making it through the upper atmosphere.
We see in the film that the humans are kept in giant columns. This is pure speculation, but a potential solution would be that atop those giant columns they have large vats filled with photosynthetic microorganisms, and these provide the additional carbohydrates lacking when one human is fed to another.
That would still be rather roundabout. However, it's possible that the machines use organic compounds in their own construction. Even in our very real world scientists are looking into the possibilities of DNA in making transistors which would be a quarter of the size of our current transistors. Perhaps the machines harvest nucleotides from dying "batteries."
Also highly likely is one of the ideas mentioned in this video: the idea that the machines use the humans for processing power. The smartest machine on the planet (Watson) likely uses many kilowatts of energy, after all my rather dumb machine uses an 800 watt power source. The human brain uses only 12. Your average 60 watt bulb is using 5x as much energy as your brain. In other words, if you had a brilliant enough idea to light a light bulb over your head, you'd be the smartest person on Earth.
+Chris Vitullo The brain network is a cool idea, but it would have made the humans a little too important in the grand scheme of things. It just doesn't quite have that "under the heel of the machines feel" to that "humans turned into batteries" does.
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But it also gives the machines a real reason to try to keep every human inside the matrix. To me, the "people as batteries" thing just never quite held water. If it was power the machines needed from us, there are much, much more efficient ways to get that power rather than using humans - there are just too many possible points of failure in a system meant to subjugate a sentient species.
It also makes WAY more sense that learning that the matrix isn't real allows one to subtly change it if - and only if - the brains are the processors keeping the matrix running. Last I checked, my power supply on my PC doesn't do any actual "thinking", the processors do.
Chris Vitullo I agree the "humans as a power source" thing is kinda dumb . Maybe as an emergency measure until the machines could properly establish their own infrastructure, fine. But by Neo and Morpheus' day - when they've apparently been through six versions of the Matrix, the free humans are living in a huge subterranean city which _isn't_ powered by man-batteries, and the machines are capable of building and deploying enough sentinels to wipe the place out _and_ defend their own territory- it seems a bit far-fetched to think that they couldn't create some other power source. And if they had to use humans, why allow them to develop mentally so that they have to be put in a simulation to keep them from rebelling? Why not just breed them as mindless vegetables who spend their whole lives in an induced coma? Or recreate the world as a pre-industrial society where computers don't exist? If you're trying to keep your slaves from figuring out they're in a computer simulation, putting them in a world where some of them can become hackers is just asking for trouble.
But then, using humans as disposable batteries is much more insulting, so it works better for that "omg, we're all just slaves to the machines" vibe. That moment where Morpheus holds up a battery to represent the current value of the human race wouldn't have had nearly as much impact if he was holding up a pentium processor.
That was by far the best exit you have done.
Kyle you should do a video just on the Computer Simulation Theory! I know its a crazy theory, but I would love to hear what you have to say! The Ted Talks was interesting, figured its right up your alley!
The original story actually stated the brains were used for the nature of a sort of RAM sticks, but the studio that was running the film told the creators that a world just introduced to the computer would have little idea of what this was, or would be very confused if they did. Hence, they were made into "batteries".
You know that the Wachowskys original vision was that the machines used the human brains as computing power, not as an energy source, but the studio had it changed.
Actually in the movie the amniotic fluid in which humans are floating in their tanks is basically human smoothie. It's human remains repurposed as liquide food.
I hope the well never runs dry for these videos. They are life.
+Ashley Dominique (AshleyEpidemic) Thank you so so much!
Good work Kyle
So nice to find something worthwhile on my idle youtubing. :D I love it when you talk nerdy to me ;) and it doesn't hurt that you're easy on the eyes. Aw dangit, *not fangirling not fangirling...* gya! Maybe I'll watch another six videos or so to take my mind off it. Also: are you writing backwards onto the screen? If so, mad props, that's an impressive skill to have, and I like how dexterous you are with the markers. Peace out!
I like older Because Science episodes, like this, so much better. There aren't stupid jokes every half a second, just the science. You can even tell the difference from the run times of episodes then and now. I don't mind jokes, but current BS has them in excess.
The original authors wrote that they grew humans for calculated computations. Using our minds as basically a computer CPU. The movie producer said that was too confusing and went with the dumb battery theory.
Yeah, listening to this I can see the Matrix as more of a form of getting back at humanity than anything else.
Awesome Episode!!!! I give it a 10, a muthfeueseekaying 10!
Since we are talking fantasy, we have to assume the machines, over time, found an alternate food source for the humans to consume. Also the machines worked around the problem of energy loss, at least to some degree.
+Dawud G Delves Good point! (Smart thinking.)
+Dawud G Delves There is still a theoretical upper limit to the efficiency of a heat base power source, coming from the second law of thermodynamics. Furthermore, the theoretical efficiency is lower if the power source isn't very hot, and humans aren't really that hot
+Nerdist You also forgot that the internet is not a simulation. most of it are just webpages and videos, but a simulation (wich is great enough to simulate a whole detailed world) like in a video game is much much more intense and needs way more power than the internet
(sorry for bad english, german potato here)
G Nk Most humans are driveling fools who pose no threat.
The machines had to use a source that was readily available at their time of conquest.
The Matrix movie really didn't give an actual timeline as to when the Neo lead rebellion takes place, after The Matrix was built.
Maybe the human energy source was a temporary fix while something more efficient was being created?
Once again this is fiction so you have to assume that the machines worked out all the kinks.
Love this show man, Nerdist is probably my most favoured channel right now on YT :) -Could you possibly explain the science behind the creation of fictional SPARTAN-II super-soldiers in the Halo videogame franchise? Sorry for asking this if it's already been done. I will search for such if so!
yeah, and how do they keep hair from growing while encapsulated? and are dead and melted humans pumped back into the living batteries/humans nutritionally enough to sustain life? how is the waste from the batteries handled?
Morpheus says the dead are fed intravenously to the living.
mmm, soylent smoothies.
+Evil “EvilAsh” Ash It goes against the laws of thermodynamics
Human can be used as the electrolyte in a galvanic cell. The pharaohs used a device known as the "cylinders of the pharaoh" made from copper(anode) and zinc(cathode) cylinders filled with quartz when held produce up to 1.5 volts. The copper is held in the right hand which is the positive flow of ions and the zinc is held in the left hand which is the negative flow of ions through the electrolyte(human body). Make them yourself or get them on amazon or etsy.
Love this series
This guy totally rocks!
+Nerdist About the food part, Morpheus states that the dead are liquified and feed to the living does that make any impact?
It is worth noting that the BTUs suggested were not directly linked to generating power, and the 8k to 10k is based on a normal persons doing normal things. As you separated the brain from the body, it is possible they could push the body to the 25k number, since the muscle mass for formed in all of the bodies, but we saw the membranes could not resist tearing when strained by human movement. Neo later learned how to move his muscles, but he didn't have to grow them. The bio-electrical is impossible to calculate using the included methods, since intrusive wiring was introduced throughout the body, so resistance is not measurable. You can finally get to the point where weird fusion, using the non-cognitive brain functions, could be used to operate whatever passed for a reactor, with the heat / bioelectricity driving that brain powering that subsystem in place solar powered controllers. The Matrix is used to bleed off the neural problems created by consciousness, and humans are the shape of grown computers instead of mechanic computers. As for the Internet Powered by, those numbers are worse than useless. They rely on isolated and dispersed computing, with tons of redundancy. They also have 0% thermal recovery, where even more power is used to disperse heat, but not recover it. Computers are one of the largest AC draws in buildings with a data center :p So this is bad sort of science, and does not resemble anything nerd like. More like the excited kid who wanted to hang out with a few nerds.
140 GW? Doc Brown is fainting rn
That's heavy
Don't forget about the hardware. there were supposed to be miles are farms where humans were grown. and they people had pods that I assume ran on energy.
good video Kyle is starting to look like a skinny Thor too
After playing Fallout 4 Automatron, it ocurred to me which is, if the robobrains used it's brain for processing reasons then perhaps it makes more sense for the machines in Matrix to do the same.
If we ever find a definitive end to Pi, the square root of two, or some other infinite series. I will take this as personal proof that we live in a computer.
Computers have finite processing power, so you couldn't have an infinite number of digits of Pi.
Morpheus wasn't saying that humans were actually being used as batteries, he was just using a battery as a metaphor for how humans were being used as an energy source.
I had a lot of respect for you before but grew a lot more now, thank you for this video.
They never made it into the real world. The Matrix was multi-tiered and the battery explanation that Morpheus gave was a red herring that he fell for. Humans were actually being used as processors.
Although it's the 90's inside of the Matrix, the Matrix timeline takes place somewhere between year 2199 and 2700, so there could be many more billions of people used as batteries than just 6. Doesn't change the fact that it takes more energy to keep the humans alive than what you'd get out of them as batteries, but still.
In the movie they stated that the dead were liquefied to feed to the others.
Kyle, your videos are awesome brother!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEANU
As previous comments stated there is a big time jump of hundreds of years between 1999 and when the matrix created. Interestingly because of how cpus function as the nano architecture decreases in size from say 14 to 10 or 7 nanometers the efficiency of the power consumption in equal to performance actually increases. So as our silicon wafer technology becomes better and architectures become better it becomes easier to power devices like cellphones for example for a longer time with no real decreases in performance and with only smaller innovations in battery technology. Which is one of the reasons that lifespan of batteries has become more of an emphasis in the technology field rather than new battery tech or big increases in power to size ratio. Ultimately it may be in 100+ years that we can power a vastly expanded internet at the same or minimal increases in theory.
great video
There's still the possibility of tapping into geothermal power to supplement the human batteries, and who's to say the machines wouldn't make faster and faster iterative improvements on both efficiency and processing power?
+Bill Malcolm Exactly what I was thinking. If we are making processors on smaller and smaller scales and improving performance per watt who's to say that by the time the matrix takes place (I think Morpheus states that the events of the film take place closer to 2199 in his big reveal to Neo) that the machines wouldn't have drastically increased the performance per watt of everything that sustains them. This would mean that they could maintain the matrix on a fraction of the estimates given for the current power that humans use to sustain the internet
Yeah.... I think the reason it was changed was to make it more easily understandable to the common audience. It makes far more sense with the original script context vs what we got. I think if it were made today more people would be able to understand the original script and well.... we wouldn't have ended up with one of the weirdest plot holes in a movie's premise.
Amazing content! Keep up the good work!))
Gah I would have LOVED if they went with their original idea. It would have provided so many cool tools for story telling, like what happens to the matrix when multiple minds are unplugged from it. It would give the machines a heck of a lot more motivation to keep everyone jacked in.
This still only allows the perpetuation of the Matrix itself. You would still need to come up with a reason to have it in the first place. Possibly so they can leech off the human's creative spark, whatever that might mean? Who knows.
Loved this one!
KYLE!!!!! Could you please calculate the Strenght and the Speed of Saitama?
I think they made the change because Computers were still at the time relatively new and the idea of networks and processing power was harder to understand than the idea of using humans as batteries
While I know the original intent of LITERAL neural network makes more sense, I always took it as the machines literally having empathy. The architect shows something of this form time and time again, by allowing The One to be a thing at all.
I figured that they kept humans around as 'batteries' or processors, not because of need (they can make far better versions of both), but because they felt an obligation to their creators.
Regarding what they fed the humans, if i recall correctly they actually fed the biomass of dead humans to the living ones
the robots cant grow food but in the movie they said something along the lines of liquefying the dead to feed the living intravenously.. but would that be enough nourishment to feed the living?
The problem is, that body heat has to come from something. And the argument has to be made that a machine that could convert food directly to energy would be more efficient than a human body.
I haven't watched the video yet but I think this is how it should go: (video starts) "no" (end credits).
I think he's right with the revenge theory. Using humans as organic batteries otherwise makes zero sense if they've got fusion.
they also needed to power themselves, not just the simulation, so the amount needed is also a bit off
Big arguments between me and someone about if this is a reasonable possibility, human batteries. I argue, heck no, aside from there's gotta be a better way, scortched sky or nah. I argue rats (or preferably something stupid, as brains are expensive) or bugs would be far better, assuming potatoe or geothermal wouldn't manage. I don't know my human biology explicitly enough to ready drag up good research, but think in my leisurely documentary absorption i heard we were strongly dependent on cooked food because improved bioavailability. He says we're all that's left and blah blah blah. Could you weigh in?
Other question, less fought over, but related when I think about it: how much does the flash have to eat? Hummingbirds live to eat, so, ya know, wow.
This assumes that there have been no improvements in efficiency in any technology involving collecting or storing energy from humans. Since the machines demonstrate anti-gravity technology in the real world, this is unlikely. Also, food can be created chemically, it doesn't have to be grown and processed. It doesn't even have to taste good, since it's pumped directly into the stomach, and /that/ assumes that nutrients aren't injected directly into the bloodstream, preserving the energy that would normally go to digestion.
Humans are mostly water and hydrocarbons, and an excellent source of hydrogen. Extract that hydrogen from their bodies for nuclear fusion, use the non-nuclear energy to initiate the fusion process.
Also they've got great processing power.
The population in 1999 was drastically reduced by the machine wars before the Matrix was created, but I don't think a figure is given. Also, the food/nourishment for the humans in pods are deceased humans liquified, refined, and fed back to them. Now 2019...I wish more was done with The Matrix that was more like the first movie.
Hey Kyle; big fan. Just curious... If we ARE living in a simulation, that would mean that some kind of machine were generating our experience of reality. That means a finite number of calculations per second. So that means we should be able to overload it and cause it to slow down... Could we even perform this? How many individual particles would we need to simulate and be aware of before reality starts to break down? Is the simulation itself just my experience of reality with everyone else being NPCs, or are all humans, or even every single living thing also being generated by the same process, and have their own experiences? That works be an insane amount of processing and storage capacity... But the universe is clearly a crazy awesome place.
If the latter is true, my dog is just as aware, albeit with a different set of resources, as I am.
Thanks for making these videos. Because Science.
Whar if Morpheus' numbers were right but here in the Matrix, the machines alter the laws of biophysics down, would Neo notice the increase in Body Heat and Bio-electricity when in the real world?
But wasn't the point to power the machines after the sky was blackened? I always assumed the matrix would require far less than needed to power themselves. For example 10% of power to sustain the matrix and the remainder to power all their other robotics and such. Btw what do the humans use for power? That would be a cool because science video. Fossil fuel? Did they secretly tap the human power grid?
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the purpose of the human power source wasn't just to run the Matrix, it was to help power the entire machine civilisation. The Matrix just facilitated in maintaining the power flow
The Architect said even though they are for the most part dependent on Human Beings, there are other even though less ideal, energy sources they could turn to if they were desperate.
Battery =/= a power "source".
Batteries are containers for the storage of energy, in whatever form...
Plato : The FORM of a perfect circle precedes any perfect circle that could exist or not....
And there all the math that "describes" the circle....If we created a robot with a mind-chip that is as intricate and fine ( or even beyond) as a human brain,
then soul-matrix would "flow into or own" that robot....just like a simple crack on the pavement would "hold" a simple lot of water in that crack
and a "complicated" would hole a complicated water form, like a water puddle....
In short, I am being owned. When I meditate deeply, I get a glimpse of that for a few seconds but soon I am immersed in this all the "stuff" of daily life...Money, sex, emotions, social rights...etc
But, I feel good about being "owned".....
"But wouldn't just about anything make a better battery? Like a potato? Or a battery?" - Bender
Thanks
It would make more sense to harvest humans in the way they did in Jupiter Ascending. They let the population grow by itself and then harvest them that way they wouldn't have to feed them their whole lives like in the matrix. It would be a lot more efficient.
I legitimately want to know if Keanu Reeves and or Laurence Fishburne knows about this video. And if so what did they think.
IMO, the main point was to boot the humans up to the Matrix with nuclear fusion as the main energy source, and they would just use the energy that their bodies produced in order to not waste anything.
The machines feed off are consciousness (battery) that is how it achieves singularity everything the learn they learn from us forms an algorithm until the creation becomes the creator
Yo bro thanks for the tutorial
to be true... humans as CPU is a good "Because Science" theme.
In the Matrix Online game lore... they explain how that "humans as cpu" works...
Basically explanation:
Machines develop a very efficient fusion energy source... but in order to use it, very powerfull eletro-magnetc arcs , and eletronagnetic field is part of the system. So... any circuit close by... just fry... like hit by in EMP (with... you see in the movie XD).
But the machines need the power anyway... so... they came with a solution, biological processor... they tried just use neurons and stuff but does not seen to work. mind need to be active, more and constant interconections need to be made in order to reair the damage done with the electrical discharge... so they pick the best biological mind avalible... human brain... and problem solved !!
Until we get stressed and everyone die (1st matrix) ... so... lets make it a paradise, no stress, no problem.... human fail to see that as reality, lots of rejections (2nd matrix)... so... lets try fear and pain, maybe that work ! copy the games !! put vampires, and phantons!! (3rd matrix.. the one freshman came from) ... and fail... so.... f*** ... copy the time were there was most of the humans... what are the last records?? late 1990? mid 2000th ? cool go with that.... and it works.... there is this NEO bug... but well... it works...
but putting the "fusion" back on the table, could multiply that number, or not
How does the flash ring work?
Mythbusters needs to hire you
+David Hajek I agree.
here's my question. if the machines needed human body heat (putting aside other sources of abundant energy such as geothermal, nuclear fission, fossil fuel etc which dont rely on the sun) because the humans "scorched the sky" then how did they have the energy to setup the massive powerplants where "humans are grown not born"