The Best Team Bonuses in AOE2:DE | Jan 2023
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Obviously we need a tier list for the best fish boom on BF civ
oh, that's easy: Japanese is Okay, Malay is SSS, everyone else is trash.
Malay and Japs S tier all the way
@@mohamedelshazly1514 burgundians up there
Italians have cheaper fishing ships. Persians have faster working docks and get their dock built earlier with the extra wood. Celts have more wood.
@@jefffinkbonner9551 dravidians have free wood, malians have cheaper buildings, seargeants can make donjons, donjons can make sargents.
Those Bulgarian blacksmiths are SO nice when needing to upgrade like 3 lines at once. Plus those imp upgrades take forever normally. Everyone gets blacksmith upgrades. So often units are held back from engaging in a fight until upgrades come in. It’s 80% faster!! That’s so ridiculously good.
Yes for sure, takes 75 secs for armor in imp and attack 100 secs for cavalry line. makes a huge difference to be able to hit that spike a minute earlier in imp
You are probably right men. Bulgarians might deserve A tier at the very least.
THE NUMBER OF TIMES i lost because i forgot to upgrade my troops after a boom 😂
Everytime it happens i am like" if only i had that team bonus"
If anything the Britons bonus should be A tier. Archer play can be quite dominant in 3v3 and 4v4. Britons allow both flanks to outmass the opponents, which can lead to snowballing.
Even see this in 1v1's
@@BlueSky-vd6qh Only if you can afford 4 more archers :D
It also helps a lot pushing out defensive skirms to defend from archer/ca raids.
Especially if the other border is mayan.
i honestly think viper underrates britons tg bonus a lot, that bonus makes britons best tg flank on open maps with their range bonus.
That being said, i think S tier bonuses are bonuses that make opponent change their strategy completely or rethink that by just being there. Examples : Saracens, Teutons, Italians.
Not a team bonus, but the Lithuanian relic bonus makes people devote themselves to playing keepaway so they don’t get so powerful.
Yes I was shocked about his placement for Britons. The impact is immense with both flanks making 2 range archers.
Britons bonus is especially good when combined with Mayans on the other flank
Exactly. Most of the ratings seem weird. Bulgarians is "Okay" while Portugese is S-Tier???? Its literally a better bonus.
@@hareshneeraj998Portuguese helps everywhere in the game, between eco techs, unit upgrades timings and especially things like Ballistics and Chemistry
Faster Blacksmiths are amazing in specific situations but besides that the Portuguese bonus is miles better overall
In a following video, you could take about synergy bonuses for 2v2, 3v3, 4v4. Some of these bonuses especially shine in combination with others so synergies can be quite powerful.
That would be great
Think about the avarage impact of a team bonus..most of them help you in specific situations..if the game goes late..if the army comp is such and such, if you got for this strat or not..Mongols make every single game more consistent for the entire team..woodlines, gold, sheep, enemies, boars - everyone benefits every single game...by far the most influential bonus if we consider the avarage impact over all the maps and games. Portuguese bonus might be the only bonus that gets close to Mongol one.
Especially if you keep the spirit of the law videos in minds, where he shows how much more ground a scout with mongol vision can cover. Especially in dark age the difference is crazy!
@@timhuester7721 Yes, but its the classic "16 inch diameter pizza doesnt have two times as much pizza as an 8 inch pizza but rather 4 times as much".
@@moon2schyzo well it would be true if your scout was teleported away every step it takes. But instead it follow a straight line with the back of the LoS not being used, and the front not changing lot for general scouting. Only the side of that circle change something, so its not the same as the analogy you mentionned.
@jeanmarc6517 It is, because thats how a normal scout works as well. Proportionally it's the exact same as if they both did teleport.
@@moon2schyzo No, because the increase in the back does nothing. What would 1 more Los do in the back beside show you something you already saw. Only the front half of the scout is used to explore.
People are gonna have OPINIONS about the Britons team bonus.
I see how it isn't from Viper's perspective, but at a lower elo I don't see how getting 20% more archers / xbow and also 20% more scouts / knights isn't some of the best team bonuses.
@@niksutliff I think upwards of 90% of players at every skill level would agree. Nations league is coming up with a 40 drafts + 2 bans and honestly would be surprised to see Britons make it past the draft in more than half of the sets. Part of that is that Britons are a good archer civ in general but as most damage in protracted fights comes from the archers in TGs they tend to be valued highly like you say.
Huns bonus is generally considered to be slightly weaker because the higher cost of cavalry makes keeping up with additional production harder compared with archer line and Goths bonus slightly less good again as the knights + archers tend to dominate the TG meta.
I think perhaps Viper's tier list has been somewhat skewed by his recent focus on BF.
@@niksutliff Because outside the early game, you can just build another production building.
When you and the Briton have five ranges each, his bonus is worth 175 wood.
I would say Berbers is rather situational in a good way. Their team bonus can shine if there's nice combo (as huns discount) or turks who cant build skirms.
Basically any cav archer civ can be greatfull for genitours since it allows better trades against any archer comp in castle age without giving up mobility.
I consider Hindustian ability to build Caravanserai as team bonus too. With common team bonus could Hindustanis move one step higher.
I think Berbers should definitely get a bump here because they have 2 team bonuses and their second one (not mentioned in the video) is great. With their unique tech in Castle Age, everyone's Castles work faster. This boosts research time, Unique Unit Creation, and Trebs for everyone. No it's not a standard "Team Bonus", but it still is a form of team bonus. They are also the only civ to have a second team bonus besides the Cumans.
Enjoyed the Video though. Thanks Viper!
Great editing! Really helped it be useful and easy to follow.
06:03
So cute. The thought of fish boom on bf makes viper blush
Love tierlists, this was a good one!
I would probably have the Aztec lower, relics are not as important given the trade and you can end up with games where your team just gets a few of them (if even that).
Many games are over before you even consider taking relics. As a team bonus it doesnt even makes sense since always only one or two players of a team will take them.
In fact its a very situational bonus, e.g. there are some mega random maps with very low natural gold mines but some relics. In these cases it can be useful.
I think one criteria that could have been further explored is how many of the teammates will the bonus likely affect. For example for the Aztec bonus might not even affect any other team member because Aztecs will probably be the only ones going monks and collecting relics. With Britons, it may be affect just one more team member most of the time. The Mongol bonus affects everyone because everyone has scouts in dark age/feudal age and thats when the bonus is most valuable. Palisade wall bonus affects everyone in most standard maps as well. So, these are more valuable.
Ethiopians team bonus is actually v good in some nomad games where u can detect a raid quicker because u have the outpost. Also sometimes when u have a player cockroaching then it becomes easier to find him. Ofcourse these r situations where u r quite ahead already.
Would you consider making more of this type of videos? Tierlists, top 10 for certain maps or strategies or maybe top 10 strongest death balls...I think your subs yearn for more Vipah theorycrafting
The only slight upside to the LOS bonusses is that it also increases units' search radius, Incas/Magyars/Tatars don't get much out of that but it makes Frank Pala better at raiding than generic ones.
I love the fact, that all the "very situational" are bonuses for the docks :D I recently started to love Malay and spam those docks to share everyone more vision since i can upgrade them to Harbors which is a line of defence in the end.
What if you had a 4v4 and Allies which were goths, britons, Huns, and Celt’s? Basically all your units are made faster. This can help in in the beginning in a rush, and making a defensive army quickly. The other good team bonus, the trade ones, only start in middle of game, while the other bonuses I mentioned are helpful in all the game. Basically you can field an army 20% faster and replace it 20% faster. So you will slowly win late game pushes.
Great video. I love team game content.
Interesting you put ImpSkirm in S, but Genitour in Bad.
I think there's an argument that if you're making skirm in team games then you need more trade. But if trade is not possible then yeh ImpSkirm is super strong.
I'd love a video on some fun team combinations. Maybe 2v2 combos and 4v4 combos. Just like a top 10 combos. Doesn't need to be the best, just some fun ideas to try out.
for an exhaustive tier list it'd probably be too long, but a video on best team synergy civs would be really interesting
Berbers, such as the vietnamese, have 2 team bonuses with Kasba (+25% working rate of team's castles) which can trigger some synergies with civs relying heavily upon their unic unit
That’s not a team bonus
Kasba is a tech that needs to be researched in the castle.
@@thanzeelhassan yes, but we can say the same regarding imperial skirmisher : "imperial skirmisher is a tech that needs to be researched in the archery range" (of the concerned player)
Should add in Cumans free Kipchaks as well
@@louishodouin8709 wtf? No we can’t say that at all
Saracens: "somewhat situational, you has to make ... buildings"
I think making Byzantines free town watch and town patrol be the team bonus and keeping the monk healing to themselves would be sick.
I'm puzzled by Aztecs bonus being so up there because for some other bonus you used the criteria of "X is not really good because it kicks in so late", and that is exactly what happens with relics... and it's even worse in TGs because making trade is kind of a must and it generates way more gold to the point in which relics aren't even a relevant factor in the outcome of the match.
I love your Black Forest and team based content lately!
Great editing and video quality! We need more tier lists.
id say that britton and hun bonus could be a tier cause cavalry and especially archer numbers are very important and a couple more archers could start snowballing the game, also i would put most line of sight bonuses for units to trash except mongol one and the magyar one
Berbers also have Kasbah technology btw. Very important for civ with powerhouse unique Units
@17:00 “It’s situational that your opponent has to make buildings that you can shoot.”
Those unshootable buildings/no buildings strat are just too good.
ok, after a lot of thinking, as a guy that has an immense problem with overbooming, the Slav team bonus helps me with combating that and I've seen more and more wins because I can actually use my army reliably, so it's without a doubt, my favorite team bonus
i would put Slavs team bonus on S tier but other than that i agree with you. one note about Team bonuses is that players must remember that these may change the way their civilizations are played a little bit. Incas still need to have a decent team bonus, the previous one they had was almost useless but this one seems even less useful.
I think genitours were quite underrated, apparently they can be even more cost efficient than skirms, and adding in the mobility, they can be quite useful imo
Also, Genitours are HUGE to those few civs without Elite Skirms.
One thing to point out for the burmese at 3:25 is that the relics can also help find enemies and coastlines/good docking spots for nomad
and Bamboo nothing maps 11
I might be wrong of course, but I suspect youve seen Spirit of the Law's civ overview where he mentions this exact thing. Eemy TC location is easier to guess as relics dont spawn inside a radius around TCs
burmese team bonus more useful for 1vs1 to find enemy location, in tg starting location are fixed and players more or less knows where enemy tc's
@@moon2schyzoeven better if you have vietnamese in the team too. but i’d say it would be absolute S if you have lithuanians or aztecs, just too good if there are specific civs that can make the most from relics.
Celts bonus is better than the generic 25% ones. Not just production, but for tech too... when paired with Mongols, it's insane.
For me at least, the extra LOS is really valuable for knights (Franks), archers (Magyar) and scouts (Mongols). I'd place all 3 in A or S-tier. The rest is more or less agree with, but the Burgundians relics generating food too is a favourite of mine as well, as I love maps with a lot of relics and gathering them before the rest.
An argument for why Huns could be A tier is that there are a few civs which can power out cavalry and if Huns are paired with them they amplifies that effect. The kind of thing that would help Berbers or Poles spam more cavalry or Hindustanis have a few more cavalry for taking out buildings faster.
The Britons, Huns, Celts, and Goth faster production building bonuses are all S-tier, they help virtually ever single game, and the best bonuses are ones that you don't even realize that they're giving you an edge, you just feel like you're playing better because you're out massing your opponents consistently, getting upgrades faster, etc. Especially the stable bonus helping you get Cavalier and Paladin faster.
huns have the edge there because scouts and knight spams are the most common. even helpful for camel/se asia civs.
If I have a vietnamese teamate in 3v3 or 4v4 I'm more likely to pick mayans for the houl'je javaline imperial skirmishers. Imp skirms are cool and they will have a second javelin that they throw.
I think that the very situational line could have been divided to indicate how good the bonus is in the situation they are valid.
Every water bonus will necessarily be situational, but you can have some that if it is a water map it would be Ok, others that become huge, things like that.
I feel like the "very situational" tier should have been placed before bad. Could totally see all of those civs picked specifically for those bonuses on the right map over any of the civs in the bad tier.
All credit to your Editor .. He has done a very good Job.. I watched it being edited on FB Gaming.
"That could very well be a very situational bonus" 😂 Great list!
Thank you Viper, wish we have new tier list of all civ on arabia for 2023
For me Magyars bonus is very poor, but on ELO lets say 1500+ it is fight deciding factor during whole Feudal age. There is alway at least 1 player going Scouts and at least one player going Archers on the other side, so these microfights between Scouts and Archers are every game and usually many times. In 4v4 games totally deciding bonus for Feudal age.
22:06 "let me have a quick look here to see if there's anything I would change"
Yeah... maybe change "Very Situational" to "Good on water situation".
The Inca team bonus is underrated. It does not take into account the free lama, which is obviusly a good bonus.
Look at the time when this vid was posted
I think imperial skirms should be a thing by default to encourage different strats, or maybe a bit less speed for archers/a buff of speed to non-eagle infantry
Not a tier list, but what do you think about a video where you discuss your hotkey changes? Like what you've changed from default and why. I know it's not exciting, but I know it would help novice players like myself
This video should have title "it depends ..." :D Love your polemics !
the only time I've had the berbers jenitour team bonus help was one time playing nomad, had turks and was pushed into a corner without gold so I held with jenitours
The Imperial skirmisher upgrade definitely need to be more expensive. It is too strong as a team bonus. The Berber team bonus is also not bad at all, it has been buffed a lot
If your team has banking the saracen market bonus is also a team bonus :)
I would place the britons and byzantines in S tier. Britons because when you have two ranges you are putting out 240% more than one range. If you enemy does not scout you well, you can have a huge mass of archers killing villagers on your tree line. The reason I would not have stables equal to this is because you at least have walls to protect you while you create some spearmen.
SoTL did a video on Byzantine monk healing. It is a benefit in combat depending on the hp of your units. Add to this healing outside of battle will push it to S tier. I do understand pros do not like the variability of monks since luck can cause a throw or surprise victory.
@theviper You don't queue up for teamgames much, but it would be a good companion to this if you strategize civs for different maps with randomly matched teammates. I find myself doing that all the time for ranked queue playing only teamgames and try to think like you strategically (greed included, rip me)
Somehow for hindustanis we need to take into account the caravanserai. It's like a second team bonus.
My vote for next tierlist: Best Full Feudal Civs
I would say the Aztec relic bonus is S tier. Viking cheap docks can save you quiet some wood too
The Lithuanian bonus is not bad. Monk is a high quality unit with a slow production rate, but if you manage to get more monks or research them faster, it can change the game
@theviper just gonna say this, the +2 damags to archers can completely change the game outcome BECAUSE knights kill crossboes in 4 hits with forging, iron casting does nothing. With +2 from this civ bonus and iron casting, knights kill crossbows in 3 hits instead of 4 and i think that would come as a surprise outcome to the xbows player and lose him the game.
Also i promide you, byx team bonus is fking op S++ eith saracen mamelukes "high health ranged units in general"
And ele archers in fsct anything that is countered by skirms, byz counters thrm 100% complete shut down it is a strstegy i ran for a while now. And never failed not even once.
Nice work tiramis!
I made an excel for team bonus tiers. I can share it if you want.
It distinguishes between several maps and team or single player
I'd like to see a tier list for civs considering team games only.
I think objectively the best building speed bonus has to be Briton’s and here’s why.
Percentage Bonuses are predicated based on how much you spend.
For example 20 percent of a million dollars is much more meaningful than 20 percent of a dollar.
In this case you’re not spending more resources per say but most of the time you’re producing from more buildings so your maximizing the bonus more in archer ranges.
With that being said archers by nature cost less than kts so you’re most likely producing more archers from more buildings than kts. Kts cost almost twice as much as an archer.
If you’re making more archers from more buildings then inherently you’re taking advantage of the production speed bonus more. It’s not a discount bonus. It’s a production bonus.
Plus archers in nature need numbers to be very effective. Whereas one kt can be very effective.
In general in castle age you can make 6-7 kts and cause havoc so production speed isn’t as important because you usually need 2-3 times as many archers. To move out.
In some situations you don’t even have enough resources to produce kts non stop because of the cost she you’re actually not maximizing the bonus due to stables being idle anyways.
Imagine the importance of the Slavs' team bonus for Norway in the Nations Cup considering the propensity of their two stars to get housed. 11
Britons and huns may be more relevant since archers and cavalry are the meta and have impact in more stages on the game than infantry and siege production, right?
Fast building farms were actually the best. Throwing down 10 farms in a pinch was underrated.
Poor Incas, forever destined to be a B-tier civ in all tier lists except those about Team Bonuses, where they're always alone in the worst. I wish they had some sort of a farming or trade team bonus instead. Trade bonus might make more sense. I've suggested 'Trade units move X % faster' before, but that sort of is taken by Hindustani now, with their Caravanserai. But maybe it could still help out. 😭
Really does feel like the only tier list Incas can be S-tier in is the size of weaponry the UUs use...
New farm team bonus. Farms are 2x2 instead of 3x3! (This is an idea, with how they've changed the farm pathing for vills normally I think it's also more viable (less likely to result in bugs) now as well!)
@@rovsea-3761 Yeah, I've seen that suggested as well. Though I will add that I'm a little hesitant with farming bonuses as... well, the main food users will be Kamayuk and Slinger, neither of which find much use in 1v1s. This becoming a -team bonus- might be a little too impactful as well.
When I've thought of a farming bonus, I felt attracted to some sort of elevation bonus, but now that might feel too similar to Poles, as you'd have to plan out your farming a lot more, and it'd be too situational. Oh well.
@@An1llusion Food is not only for units though. Majority of techs cost alot of food.
I'm at the beginning of video but civs like berbers, cumans etc need to be adressed also with their castle unique techs imo (or vietnamese with their showing enemy tc bonus). Kasbah, Cuman Mercenaries, techs like that also affect the team, so why not consider that aswell?
I personally like that this tier-list is just about the team-game bonuses, he'll probably do another tier-list for best team-game civs in general. E.g. sometimes the team bonus doesn't even come into consideration when it comes to the best team-game civs, considering how Franks are often considered the best pocket civ, yet they don't really bring anything that materially improves their teammates' military or economy.
You could also consider the Caravanserei (Hindustanis), which is not a technology but a unique building.
Then there are unique techs like Grank Trunk Road (Hindustanis) and Silk Road (Italians), which do not benefit the team directly, but allow those civs to benefit more from trade in team games.
Feitoria (Portuguese) also don't benefit the team directly but can be incredibly impactful in team games where resources are running out, or where the Portuguese player takes a lot of damage in the early game they can just recover so quickly with Feitoria and go for BBT or sling.
Kasbah is uniquely strong when having a nice composition based on unique units, or trebs (Britons, Japanese, Tatars); but it's quite situational. Not every civ's unique unit is as useful in a team army comp.
I would say the Bulgarian, Huns and Brittons should be way up. Cavalry and archers are the bread and butter of most major attack so giving your team mate that bonus is significant, unless they only spam infantries and sieges for some reason (extremely unlikely). Bulgarians 80% blacksmith research time is insane when you think about it
Wait a second, i never played team games but does gurjaras and huns bonuses stack for an elephant civ/camrl? 😅
I feel like the inca bonus should be a civ bonus and houses giving more pop a team bonus (tho probably too op)
Hey Viper, what is the best combination between 4 civs bonuses? Regards!
A little question at 17:07
When was the last time your opponent did not make buildings? Seems like a very rare case to me
i would do some changes
Briton A tier: tgs with archers in the flank are horrible to play that vs, even can help to make HC in imperial to protect cavalry from pockets.
Huns A tier: kinda the same as britons.
Bengalis to A tier or even S: 10% is a lot of food, imagine u have -8 vills to send to farm if u have liek 50 trade carts, thats a lot.
Frank to trash: u wont see monks even with this, is not even a bad one.
Burgundian to Bad: u dont capture too many relics in tg anyway, 30 food per relic is like meh bonus
OMG BENGALIS SHOULD BE S TIER
I felt like koreans team bonus is prettymuch useless. At least as game goes on, their siege onagers would kill itself by firing at the reduced minimum range :D
I agree that incas have the absolute worst TB in the game. You're right. The farm bonus was a lot better even though it was not great.
Agree the Cuman team bonus is underrated, they should get bonus points for having a “team based” unique tech as well!
Is a trash team tech, sadly
Celts bonus definitely cannot be on par with Britons/Huns etc. 1. Siege is only available Castle Age+, while archers/scouts are produced in feudal age itself (when speed of production arguably matters more, to get the first 'attack' ).
2. In team games typically only the Celts player goes for siege, specially post-Imp. So as a *team* bonus it is not particularly effective; whereas you usually have multiple players going archers or cavalry.
I would actually say the oposite. Say Celts combined with Malians and Portugese; that's some scary early BC they can put out. Wich could win you the game. Add Turks and Oh boy!
I think Gurjaras should be situational. Yes, you have to have Camels and/or elephants as an option for your civ, but when you do, it is very nice to have. Especially if you have a camel, or Elephant unique unit.
If you have Huns and Gurjaras on your team, you have 45% faster elephants and camels. That's a crazy combo. Imagine the Malay Elephant spam.
Chinese should be S tier because realistically speaking, it's the only bonus where you're actually saving resources for the whole team. Delaying farming by 10% has a small but nonetheless existent savings in woods, and upgrades coming in on time with reseeding because of the slight delay.
The Spanish one requires you to invest into trading for it to be good, which isn't universally great; Chinese farms are good in almost all cases because even in team game Nomad, at some point you will have to farm. The biggest thing holding Chinese bonus back is how average the whole civ is on team games.
It's true that it is nerfed, and you only get the former (+45 food) bonus when you research all the farm techs (so civs without crop rotation will have smaller bonuses). Although it is true that 10% delay in wood can rarely be felt in wood savings.
Nice Tier list.
But i dont agree with Tatars and Incas bonus. If you will lose scout, you can do Spearman and with +2 LOS its such a great unit for exploring. (Incas) Tatars cavarly archers are available in Castle Age and in this point i think its not so great. I think these are similar.
Poor Incas can't catch a break for having the 2 of the weakest team bonuses in the game
Incas team bonus should be changed to: Infantry +2 Line of Sight
Skirmishers getting extra LoS in team games is very underwhelming
An Incas bonus I have thought of before is giving a cost reduction (or some other similar bonus) on farms when they are built on a slope tile. This would reflect their mountainous region
I think that would be very situational bc in maps like arena where there aren't any slopes it would be useless and usually you want to build castles or towers on hills for bonus damage, I do think they could have a hill related bonus (like tatars) resembling the region
could be cool if inca farms were smaller, like 2x2 tile (not a Team bonus), so you can stack more farms around the TC or mill. For a Team bonus, TCs could have some bonus resistance to siege, gives more of a "defensive civ"
The Berbers / North African peoples have used javelin-armed cavalry for millennia and these Nomadic Bedouins offered their services to numerous larger Empires of the region, Be it Romans, Saracens, Nubians, Byzantines , Persians as well as the Crusader kingdoms. The Team bonus Genitors is brilliant ,fits well to the civ and should 100% never be replaced.
I absolutely love using the Genitours when fighting as the Byzantines or Crusaders with Berber allies , to use as a mobile raiding force / supporting force on the flanks of my professional standing army.
I also love how if you play as the Turks and have historically accurate Berbers as an ally, your genitors become insanely strong . A strong ranged cav that cost no gold compared to all your other units that are so intensely gold dependent. A perfect fit for dessert warfare.
I adore LOS bonuses, for a non pro player like myself whom is not used to ''reading'' the game, battle information by means of LOS is highly important.
Like the Frankish knights / Incan Spear/Skirms that provide you with intel of the battlefields. And again if you play a historically accurate game and you are the Mongols allied to Tatars the Tatar Rangerd cav LOS bonus is beastly.
Civs that do not gain access to Good cavalry,nor gunpowder,nor elephants and a weak navy should instead receive strong bonuses for their infantry, villagers and trash.
African and mezzo civs should only have canoe navies. Able to fire arrows ,fast ,agile and only using 0.5 pop space but they don't have access to Gally line, nor cannon. Gallons. All canoes can carry/transport 3-5 units and are trained twice as fast as regular ships. Don’t have access to fire ships but get fire canoes that shoot fat covered fire arrows (Fat burns intensely hot). Tech in dock:Fat covered fire arrows - +3 attack to canoes.
Canoes transporting skirmishers gain added pierce armour,attack and range.
Give the imperial Skirmisher Team bonus (Vietnamese) to a Sub Sahara African civ (Shona people).
Sub Sahara African civs get African huts as Dark age houses. (Already in game.)
Saracen + Berber+Turks dark age houses should be Berber tents (Already in game.)
Lithuanians
‘’Skirmishers and spearmen move 10% faster’’ bonus should go to a new Mapuches/Tarascans civ that forms part of a New DLC.
And the (Spearman-line and Skirmishers +2P armour) should go to the Zaputechs.
In turn Lithuanians towershields tech applies to their crossbows and their sword line. .
Dravidians
I would love to see the Dravidian ‘’Skirmishers attack 25% faster’’ bonus go to a new Mapuches/Tarascans civ that forms part of a New DLC
Tribes of the Tropics DLC
Taíno/Arawak peoples / Carib kingdom/Tupi
Zaputechs
Mapuches/Tarascans.
Toltecs
Polynesians/ Tuʻi Tonga Empire.
In turn the Dravidian Urumi gains the ability to build/repair docks and faster firing hand cannoneers.
whats the point of these comment, at least HERE?
Nicee
"wall is very important in team game"
also Viper "We don't do walls here."
The Portugese bonus saves 30 seconds on Paladin or Heavy Camel upgrade and about 25 seconds on Chemistry. On almost all the other techs researched in the game, its less than 10 seconds worth of benefits. At the top level, that might be great for 1v1 but why is that so powerful in TG?
i think xhina team bonus s tear. everybody make farms in game and food is most difficult res in the game. Bec u need take wood and make farms. 175 food for a farm, with upgrades horse collar and heavy plow it is 375 with xhina bonus it is 412 it means 37 food for per farms and it is great efficency. if u do like 50 farms in castel age it mean 1850 food extra for nothing. And ur villagers will work more efficency bec they reseed farm later. Even think it with sicilians and poles. İf u are poles with crop rotation u will have 550 food in a farm. And if u have xhina too 55 food additionaly. That means 605 food and u will have 5 food extra directly for a building farm.
i’d agree chinese bonus should be S especially for civs with top tier eco bonuses (teutons, slavs, franks, etc.), but for chinese themselves it’s just trading off for them missing crop rotation.
Mayan imp skirms with Vietnamese ally would be insane. Probably a counter to war elephants? Lol
When talking about berbers shouldn't one include their castle age unique tech, Kasbah, since it applies to all allies?
I kinda think the magyar huzsar should be a shared team unit at stables
Especially with their history of mercenary work
The faction is good but i feel it could use a new unit or something for 1v1 play from castles
Maybe even consider magyar hussars as a tier above normal hussars?
The biggest thing I got from this video is that a 20% production speed bonus on barracks, stables, and archery ranges for you and three friends is just OK but Conscription is still an automatic pickup
OK doesnt mean useless, and conscription is a very cheap tech.
@@ORGAniZMs20% isn't only production speed but also decrease research time %16.7 (20% faster). 20% production bonus except Goths are A tier in my opinion.
@@tartakower5938 no its not, you save 175 wood every 5 archery ranges lol, its whatever.
I had a game where I stomped a archerpush because he had to retreat in early castle and when he came back, I sweeped him with my glorious genitor army. So imho not bad but very situational 🙂
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Genitours might be slightly situational, but they’re exactly the thing you need in those situations. Turks obviously benefit the most considering they don’t have elite skirm. But Genitours can neutralize cav archers and be a tanky, pop-efficient unit vs archer civs. Pop efficient units are super important in team games since there’s the eco to sustain them.
Dravinians and Vikings bonuses for water maps are actually S tier
archers,knights and buildigs apparently are only situational in teamgames 11
@TheViperAOE why would you say Berber is a bad tier team bonus but Vietnamese is S-tier? IMO they have the same bonus damage against archers but with extra 20-40 HP depending on bloodlines and extra mobility. Especially when you also consider Berber can also be used in Castle age without the need to tech into elite skirm (for example if you get surprised with spears), which can come in very clutch.... and if you need to tactically "advance to the rear" skirms lower mobility means much high casualties when you need to preserve numbers most.
Genitours are sort of worse than Skirmishers because they're also in a Cavalry class. Sure, it gives them mobility, but also another weakness. In some situational uses like Turks, are Genitours actually great, but otherwise it's not as great as Vietnamese (who also have situational benefits like with Lithuanians, where Tower Shields + Imp Skirm gives them bonkers PA).
Genitour is a skirmisher that dies to halbs. Sure, against anything that's not a halb it'll be better, but not amazing.
Also Genitour only really has its true power when used by civs that have Bloodlines AND Husbandry at least (if not Parthian tactics and even Bracer), and having all of that is rare. Most civs that make Genitours shine also have really good cav archers and in team games, where gold isn't that much of an issue, you prefer to use your pop space with cav archers themselves.
On the other hand, Imperial Skirmisher is cheaper and on par (cost-efficiency wise) with the best Genitours on everything but mobility, and reach their peak potential with a lot more civs.
If to compare genitours with imp skirm - genitours still more tanky vs range units, but cost 15 more food, 1 less range and 2 less bonus damage vs CA. Elite upgrade for genitour cost 500f 450w(+ stables 300f 100g), for imp skirm line - 530w 580g. Overall vietnamese team bonus seems better but they have to be closer to each other.
True that in tg's preferable to use gold units. To deal vs enemy range units - adding skirms is more situatuional, for ex. when player temporarily dont have enough gold income or some other reason. In general genitours are decent unit if player have to use skirm-line. Compare to elite skirm genitours do + 2 more damage vs archers, same dmg vs spears, more than twice tanky and can chase enemy CA. Against mass halbs - elite skirms is simpler, in case player dont want to constantly micro with genitours.
I would love that spanish allowed missionaries for their allies, just to allow the possibility of seeing them more often. However I wouldn’t remove their current team bonus
Would be very thematic too!
I know this is a random question, but what happens when turks and vietnamese play together ? Do turks get imp skirm or no ?
Feel like the saracen archer bonus is S tier. it completly changes how semi closed maps can be played, and makes both enemy flanks invest so much more into walls.
was this not even better before ? I think Saracens is a very good civ. Fast and hard to counter if you got a big army. The unit is crazy fast to destroys walls and so on.