Great Video Adrian !! :-) .....I guess the trick with stable S Turns is a key fact to learn jibing as it's essential to get a good feeling for the foil in the jibe. My personal successfactors I had in the last session where: 1) Take a good speed in the jibe. Don't fear about. 2) Go Down in the first attempts. For this bring the back foot round behind the front strap of the other side of the board. 3) Take a long long long long area to jibe. 4) My personal feared pont was shifting. For me this is not a point of feeling how the foil reacts! Two dozend of jibes I ended in shifting on the water. I'm not sure if it's the best way to learn it, but with landing the board first on the water I hadn't any more fear regarding the jibe. Take some sessions time to get a better feeling to the foil. 5) The miracle step is to learn to controll the foil with no pressure in the sail an with changing the foot position. Take your time to land the board during shifting. After this step you learn to hold on the board to fly in the shifting time. Agian: Take a wind gust with you in the jibe. As far as you're fearing about a nice gust (not overpowered) I suggest to do deep deep S curves like wave riding. Last Tip: If you have to less wind and you get blocked at forwind course. Take the sail a BIT more as in the race jibe and support the shifting acctivily with pushing you sail with the front hand in the nose direction of your board. This are my learnings after round 10 - 12 sessions. I'm far far far away from really good foiler. But this where my key facts to learn it. Have luck, fun and fly high!! (execept the first jibing attempts) :-) Hang Loose
Thanks Michael it sounds like you are progressing well. And thanks for the pointers. I still do the S turns all the time as it reminds me how much foot pressure is required in the jibe. I try to maintain that same STEADY FOOT PRESSURE through the eye of the wind when jibing. My "Miracle" moment came when I took the foot straps off the board, which moved me closer to the centreline when I started the Jibe. I removed them after a few sessions and by 10 -15 sessions I was flying about 50% of my jibes. Have fun
Thanks for uploading this! Really funny too, I firtst thought you were talking to your twin. I´m struggeling with the foiljibe so I think I should try out some of your tips. And maybe start the jibe completely out of the straps would help and keeping both feet closer to the centerline. Looks so easy when you do it.
Thanks Stefan, I am glad you got a laugh. Jibing without the straps made it easier for me, its just another thing you don't have to think about. When taking off I just shuffle backward until I am in the right spot to fly; basically about where the footsteps would be.
Adrian- thanks for the informative vid. All- do you find you can pump your windfoil board onto the foil pretty well without straps, or do front straps located fairly close to center and further forward help with pumping? Compared to where standard formula or even free ride WS boards have their footstraps...
Hey Keith thanks for the great question. For some background I believe there are some things that footstaps help with (ie positioning if located properly, jumping and pumping). However I have generally found that learning, learning how to jibe, downwind swell riding, wave riding, turning/carving and avoiding injury to be EASIER without footsteps. Not to say footstaps would not allow the rider to pull off more aggressive moves; but that by being able to move my feet around makes it easier for me. And easy = fun when you are my age. ;) I have no problem sail pumping up as fast as my friends that ride with straps. I do need more rear foot pressure to "kick" the board on the foil rather than pulling up on a front strap. Although I have not done a head to head comparison on strap placement and pumping I believe you also have to consider what Foil, board and sail is being used. For example the folks with full race foil gear and outbound straps are able to pump up in very little wind. While there are also "magicians" on smaller sails, big foils with more inbound straps that use waves and wind to get up and stay up on a foil.
@@adrianhessels839 thanks for the answer Adrian. You've helped us a lot. I'm a learning free ride foiler, all Slingshot Infinity stuff using 99 front wing, and will probably stay a free rider as opposed to race foiler. Am learning now without straps and will continue that way then based on your comments and others. 3 artificial joints so no need to stress them further, as you say have fun at our age! Yes the freedom to move the feet around on foil board is nice and once I get my pumping better hopefully will be able to foil w smaller sails like the experts (see vids of Emily Ridgeway and Greg Glazier, wow!!).
Nice vid! I always try to get people to chop the jibe into smaller exercises like you do with the S gibe! However, staying close tp the centerline really only applies to people riding similar kit, since you're using a big floaty foil, with a too big board, with a too small sail for the board. The width of the board is out of balance, therefore you want to stay further inside. Riding a foilboard which matches the foil and sailsizes will greatly ease jibing. Jibing without frontstrap is significantly harder with a board matching the 5.0 sailsize (like a Wizard 125), although with the out of balance combo its understandable. I feel comfortable on my formula with 8.0 as the smallest sail, below that I go to a dedicated 180x70 board with 4.7
Bart, thanks for your thoughts I find it easier to Jibe staying closer to the centreline and out of the foot straps no mater if I am on the formula board or my friends 125 Wizard or my custom Roberts board. I do not have to be far from the centreline to deliver enough pressure to carve a tight jibe. Kiter foilers take it to the extreme on tiny planks. Having no foot straps just reduces the amount of movements and particularly when learning every movement is a potential crash. I do ride with foot straps when using my friends boards and see some advantages but am use to no straps. In the video I am using a 4.2 and 4.8 m sail on the formula board but also use a 8.0m, just don't like jibing it as much. As I say in the video the big wing, close to the centreline and no straps idea is intended to make learning to jibe easier. Once you get the feel of jibing, adjusting your style and adding foot straps should help you advance Have a great day and hope all is well with COVID 19 in your part of the world
@@adrianhessels839 crazy, but if it works who am I to tell you to do it differently! Will try staying closer to the centerline for a day since I havent experienced the same benefits (except on my formula with a small sail hence the comment). I have been professionally teaching people to windfoil for over 2 years now, and having a wider stance always made jibing more balanced. Putting the foot all the way across to the otherside rail allows for the new backfoot to land bang on in the middle and keeps the board carving. However, I have always made sure people were on balanced kit (85 wide with 7.0-5.2 or 78wide with 6.2-4.5), and we use relatively flat (racey) wings compared to the slingshot / moses you are using. That makes huge differences since a flat wing needs a lot more force to carve through turns, especially the latter half. Covid-19 is still fine here, everything obligatory stopped so I started windsurfing 3-4 times a week again as I did 2 years ago! Amazing times. Best to you aswell.
Hey Bart what you are saying makes total sense. Whether on the Formula board or my custom board I would say my feet are in the same spot relative to the same foil. The custom board is narrower hence I am closer to the rails. My comments are aimed at the foiler trying to fly their first jibe. I suggest staying "closer" to the centreline so the learner delivers less force to the foil. I tried to show placing my heel close to the centreline and I believe my new back foot comes down just on the other side of the centreline about when I am exiting and levelling the board. As I became better at jibing I have moved further from the centreline, Bart I would say moving closer to the centreline for an experienced foiler would just detune the jibe - likely not as much fun. Back to your original comment about the S turns, I still use them when on a new foil or board to let my brain figure out how much pressure is required to jibe. Thanks again for the discussion
Thanks for posting this helpful tutorial. You make it look so easy! It is not. I've been working on the foil jibe for a while now and I have yet to complete a single jibe despite numerous attempts. It is so difficult and frustrating! I would say it's one of the most difficult physical skills I've ever attempted to learn, roughly on par with learning to ride a unicycle. I'm going to keep at it though, although sometimes it's tempting to give up completely and go back to exclusively tacking.
@@adrianhessels839 Thanks for the encouraging words! I’m still working on it. A couple days ago I managed two attempts where I grabbed the boom on the other side before falling in. For me, that’s progress! When I first started learning I would usually fall in before I even let go of the boom to flip the sail.
Progress report! I've finally gotten to the point where I can get all the way through the foil jibe without crashing and falling in every single time. That's doesn't mean I'm foiling all the way through the jibe yet. I still can't do that. It's just that I'm not always falling. For me, the "breakthrough", if you can call it that, was switching my feet first before flipping the sail. Everybody I know was telling me to flip the sail first and then switch my feet, but for some reason that threw me off and I just flat out could not do it. I'm used to switching my feet first from regular windsurfing so I guess it was just too much of a change to try to flip the sail first. You even mention in this video that you should stick with whatever jibing style you're used to. That's good advice. I should've listened to you instead of my friends! Another thing that's helped me is focusing on keeping the mast more or less centered above the board when flipping the sail. You definitely don't want to let it tilt downwind at all. That will cause a crash every time. You don't want the mast to tilt downwind for a regular windsurfing jibe either, but the foil is so ultra-sensitive that any kind of off balance jibing errors are magnified greatly.
@@dairyairman Great to hear you are having fun and advancing. As long as you are having fun what ever you are doing is correct. I am happy to hear the video helped. Have a great day
Here's another progress report. I'm still chipping away at this, but progress is slow and incremental for me. After about 15 months of practice, I've managed to successfully foil through a jibe 5 times, as of the latest count. Most of my jibes now start out on the foil but end up with the board fully on the water as I exit the jibe. My friends say I'm not carrying enough speed into the jibe, which is probably true, but when I do carry a lot of speed into a jibe I usually crash. I'm skittish about crashing because I've been injured pretty badly twice now while attempting foil jibes. Nevertheless, I'm soldiering on and perhaps one day will get to the point where I can make at least a percentage of my jibes on the foil.
Adrian's explanations are just so much clearer than Adrian's. It's just night and day.
Hey Allan, glad you enjoyed the vid. Adrian is just way better than Adrian LOL
Thanks mate ... love the style and the humor. Tell Adrian he also did well.
Glad you got a laugh, hopefully it made sense and helped with the foiling. Oh Adrian says Thank You.
Thank you, Adrian. This is my year to hit the foil jibe!!! Appreciate you taking the time to put up the video.
You are welcome David. Hope the video helps and have fun foiling!
@@adrianhessels839 I'm close! Removing the footstraps both front and back is definitely giving me a better feel!
Awesome news!
Great Video Adrian !! :-) .....I guess the trick with stable S Turns is a key fact to learn jibing as it's essential to get a good feeling for the foil in the jibe. My personal successfactors I had in the last session where:
1) Take a good speed in the jibe. Don't fear about.
2) Go Down in the first attempts. For this bring the back foot round behind the front strap of the other side of the board.
3) Take a long long long long area to jibe.
4) My personal feared pont was shifting. For me this is not a point of feeling how the foil reacts! Two dozend of jibes I ended in shifting on the water. I'm not sure if it's the best way to learn it, but with landing the board first on the water I hadn't any more fear regarding the jibe. Take some sessions time to get a better feeling to the foil.
5) The miracle step is to learn to controll the foil with no pressure in the sail an with changing the foot position. Take your time to land the board during shifting. After this step you learn to hold on the board to fly in the shifting time. Agian: Take a wind gust with you in the jibe. As far as you're fearing about a nice gust (not overpowered) I suggest to do deep deep S curves like wave riding.
Last Tip:
If you have to less wind and you get blocked at forwind course. Take the sail a BIT more as in the race jibe and support the shifting acctivily with pushing you sail with the front hand in the nose direction of your board.
This are my learnings after round 10 - 12 sessions. I'm far far far away from really good foiler. But this where my key facts to learn it.
Have luck, fun and fly high!! (execept the first jibing attempts) :-)
Hang Loose
Thanks Michael it sounds like you are progressing well. And thanks for the pointers.
I still do the S turns all the time as it reminds me how much foot pressure is required in the jibe. I try to maintain that same STEADY FOOT PRESSURE through the eye of the wind when jibing.
My "Miracle" moment came when I took the foot straps off the board, which moved me closer to the centreline when I started the Jibe. I removed them after a few sessions and by 10 -15 sessions I was flying about 50% of my jibes.
Have fun
Thanks for uploading this! Really funny too, I firtst thought you were talking to your twin. I´m struggeling with the foiljibe so I think I should try out some of your tips. And maybe start the jibe completely out of the straps would help and keeping both feet closer to the centerline. Looks so easy when you do it.
Thanks Stefan, I am glad you got a laugh. Jibing without the straps made it easier for me, its just another thing you don't have to think about. When taking off I just shuffle backward until I am in the right spot to fly; basically about where the footsteps would be.
Well done Adrian... good job with your twin!
Thanks Brian hopefully you got a chuckle as well.
Adrian- thanks for the informative vid. All- do you find you can pump your windfoil board onto the foil pretty well without straps, or do front straps located fairly close to center and further forward help with pumping? Compared to where standard formula or even free ride WS boards have their footstraps...
Hey Keith thanks for the great question.
For some background I believe there are some things that footstaps help with (ie positioning if located properly, jumping and pumping). However I have generally found that learning, learning how to jibe, downwind swell riding, wave riding, turning/carving and avoiding injury to be EASIER without footsteps. Not to say footstaps would not allow the rider to pull off more aggressive moves; but that by being able to move my feet around makes it easier for me. And easy = fun when you are my age. ;)
I have no problem sail pumping up as fast as my friends that ride with straps. I do need more rear foot pressure to "kick" the board on the foil rather than pulling up on a front strap.
Although I have not done a head to head comparison on strap placement and pumping I believe you also have to consider what Foil, board and sail is being used. For example the folks with full race foil gear and outbound straps are able to pump up in very little wind. While there are also "magicians" on smaller sails, big foils with more inbound straps that use waves and wind to get up and stay up on a foil.
@@adrianhessels839 thanks for the answer Adrian. You've helped us a lot. I'm a learning free ride foiler, all Slingshot Infinity stuff using 99 front wing, and will probably stay a free rider as opposed to race foiler. Am learning now without straps and will continue that way then based on your comments and others. 3 artificial joints so no need to stress them further, as you say have fun at our age! Yes the freedom to move the feet around on foil board is nice and once I get my pumping better hopefully will be able to foil w smaller sails like the experts (see vids of Emily Ridgeway and Greg Glazier, wow!!).
Nice vid! I always try to get people to chop the jibe into smaller exercises like you do with the S gibe!
However, staying close tp the centerline really only applies to people riding similar kit, since you're using a big floaty foil, with a too big board, with a too small sail for the board. The width of the board is out of balance, therefore you want to stay further inside. Riding a foilboard which matches the foil and sailsizes will greatly ease jibing. Jibing without frontstrap is significantly harder with a board matching the 5.0 sailsize (like a Wizard 125), although with the out of balance combo its understandable. I feel comfortable on my formula with 8.0 as the smallest sail, below that I go to a dedicated 180x70 board with 4.7
Bart, thanks for your thoughts
I find it easier to Jibe staying closer to the centreline and out of the foot straps no mater if I am on the formula board or my friends 125 Wizard or my custom Roberts board. I do not have to be far from the centreline to deliver enough pressure to carve a tight jibe. Kiter foilers take it to the extreme on tiny planks. Having no foot straps just reduces the amount of movements and particularly when learning every movement is a potential crash. I do ride with foot straps when using my friends boards and see some advantages but am use to no straps. In the video I am using a 4.2 and 4.8 m sail on the formula board but also use a 8.0m, just don't like jibing it as much.
As I say in the video the big wing, close to the centreline and no straps idea is intended to make learning to jibe easier. Once you get the feel of jibing, adjusting your style and adding foot straps should help you advance
Have a great day and hope all is well with COVID 19 in your part of the world
@@adrianhessels839 crazy, but if it works who am I to tell you to do it differently! Will try staying closer to the centerline for a day since I havent experienced the same benefits (except on my formula with a small sail hence the comment). I have been professionally teaching people to windfoil for over 2 years now, and having a wider stance always made jibing more balanced. Putting the foot all the way across to the otherside rail allows for the new backfoot to land bang on in the middle and keeps the board carving. However, I have always made sure people were on balanced kit (85 wide with 7.0-5.2 or 78wide with 6.2-4.5), and we use relatively flat (racey) wings compared to the slingshot / moses you are using. That makes huge differences since a flat wing needs a lot more force to carve through turns, especially the latter half.
Covid-19 is still fine here, everything obligatory stopped so I started windsurfing 3-4 times a week again as I did 2 years ago! Amazing times. Best to you aswell.
Hey Bart what you are saying makes total sense. Whether on the Formula board or my custom board I would say my feet are in the same spot relative to the same foil. The custom board is narrower hence I am closer to the rails.
My comments are aimed at the foiler trying to fly their first jibe. I suggest staying "closer" to the centreline so the learner delivers less force to the foil. I tried to show placing my heel close to the centreline and I believe my new back foot comes down just on the other side of the centreline about when I am exiting and levelling the board.
As I became better at jibing I have moved further from the centreline, Bart I would say moving closer to the centreline for an experienced foiler would just detune the jibe - likely not as much fun.
Back to your original comment about the S turns, I still use them when on a new foil or board to let my brain figure out how much pressure is required to jibe.
Thanks again for the discussion
@@adrianhessels839 Next time someone wants to learn to fly through jibes I'm just going to have to use him/her as a guinnea pig ;).
Hey Bart, trust all is well, any luck finding someone trusting enough to try learning without straps
Thanks for posting this helpful tutorial. You make it look so easy! It is not. I've been working on the foil jibe for a while now and I have yet to complete a single jibe despite numerous attempts. It is so difficult and frustrating! I would say it's one of the most difficult physical skills I've ever attempted to learn, roughly on par with learning to ride a unicycle. I'm going to keep at it though, although sometimes it's tempting to give up completely and go back to exclusively tacking.
Thanks for your comments. Its Great to hear you are going to keep trying David. I am sure you will get it.
@@adrianhessels839 Thanks for the encouraging words! I’m still working on it. A couple days ago I managed two attempts where I grabbed the boom on the other side before falling in. For me, that’s progress! When I first started learning I would usually fall in before I even let go of the boom to flip the sail.
Progress report! I've finally gotten to the point where I can get all the way through the foil jibe without crashing and falling in every single time. That's doesn't mean I'm foiling all the way through the jibe yet. I still can't do that. It's just that I'm not always falling. For me, the "breakthrough", if you can call it that, was switching my feet first before flipping the sail. Everybody I know was telling me to flip the sail first and then switch my feet, but for some reason that threw me off and I just flat out could not do it. I'm used to switching my feet first from regular windsurfing so I guess it was just too much of a change to try to flip the sail first. You even mention in this video that you should stick with whatever jibing style you're used to. That's good advice. I should've listened to you instead of my friends!
Another thing that's helped me is focusing on keeping the mast more or less centered above the board when flipping the sail. You definitely don't want to let it tilt downwind at all. That will cause a crash every time. You don't want the mast to tilt downwind for a regular windsurfing jibe either, but the foil is so ultra-sensitive that any kind of off balance jibing errors are magnified greatly.
@@dairyairman Great to hear you are having fun and advancing. As long as you are having fun what ever you are doing is correct. I am happy to hear the video helped. Have a great day
Here's another progress report. I'm still chipping away at this, but progress is slow and incremental for me. After about 15 months of practice, I've managed to successfully foil through a jibe 5 times, as of the latest count. Most of my jibes now start out on the foil but end up with the board fully on the water as I exit the jibe. My friends say I'm not carrying enough speed into the jibe, which is probably true, but when I do carry a lot of speed into a jibe I usually crash. I'm skittish about crashing because I've been injured pretty badly twice now while attempting foil jibes. Nevertheless, I'm soldiering on and perhaps one day will get to the point where I can make at least a percentage of my jibes on the foil.
Any suggestions on how to take a 9 ft Roberts board and make it into a 6 ft high wind foil board using a goalie stick as a stringer?
Only a fool would do something like that. And if Rob ever found out - Yikes!
Hmmm but if someone tried to do that he should make a video LOL
Are you twins?
No there is only one of me. Thank goodness, as my wife would say one is more than enough LOL
@@adrianhessels839 So who is the other guy? You look like the 2 geezers from the muppets show
LOL, Only one old geezer doubled up through bad video editing.