Yes Europeans and the West are always right about environmental issues. And they are the ones who shout about environmental issues the most, and they lie about their country being the most environmentally friendly. Developing countries also want to be developed countries!
Europe cleared their forests to become developed countries. Now they are fuming when developing countries try to industrialize by clearing even just a small area of forest. Fact is forest/wildland is everywhere in Indonesia. You have to clear some to develop the economy. No other options, unless the West would provide advanced technologies to developing countries so there is no need to develop area-intensive economy. Or, the West would give "carbon tax" fund to developing countries for preserving the forests. However, the realities are the West don´t want to give advanced techs. In addition, the West promises to give carbon tax are all empty talks.
If mining nickel in Indonesia is dirty, why western country sues Indonesia over nickel ore export ban? Western dont care about environment in Indonesia if they can get nickel ore to run their stainless steel and EV industries. Sudenly they talk about environment when Indonesia build nickel downstream for global EV supply chain and stainless steel that can replace western as a producers. Thats all. Its all just about money and hypocrisy.
When the Indonesian government sought to ban nickel exports, they invited all parties to invest in building their own smelters in the country. However, rather than investing in creating environmentally friendly nickel smelters, Western nations brought this issue to the WTO in an attempt to cancel this move. Their main fear was losing the nickel ore for their own smelters. China was the one of few countries that had the courage to invest in Indonesia. If western countries are concerned about the environmental impact, why don't they come in and invest here, showing us how it can be done in an environmentally friendly manner?
you are correct of course. west only care about enriching themselves by selling weapons & military equipment. at least indonesia is lucky to have developed asians (technically china is not developed yet, but you could treat them as such, korea, japan, spore, etc) that are willing to share their knowledge and prosperity. watchout also for non-west losers being jealous of indonesia climbing up the economic ladder so they will badmouth indonesia's effort.
@elfrjz if you want to question about what freeport brought to development in indonesia, then you should question what did soeharto and his 'friend' gained from freeport. not very much done in papua (where the freeport located) while soeharto in power. he was the one who brought freeport to papua and gave them 'everything'. there even no a good road from jayapura (papua capital, located in north-east side) to manokwari and sorong in the west or merauke in the south-east.
@@bimokresno Indeed, That is why we learn from that, and using ownership sharing schema between Chinese and Indonesia companies for the newly built smelter, HSR and manufacturing facilities.
When we want to export our palm oil products to the European Union... European Union: "Stop it, palm oil products are banned, they destroy the environment!!!" When we stopped exporting our mineral raw materials, one of them was nickel.. European Union : "No, don't do it. Give your mineral (Nickel), don't discriminate against the global market!!!" Basic colonial mentality, are you dissatisfied with colonialism in the past? This is not the colonial era anymore bro, Indonesia is not that stupid.. What you don't want is how Indonesia can create non-fossil renewable fuel from palm oil.. You don't like the invention of B-40 (Bio-Diesel/Bio-Avtur) developed by Indonesia, that's why you (the European Union) are trying to thwart Indonesia.
I was doing a foreign geopolitical research in the past 2013, with the title "How the US played its Superpower Role for Economic Development in Indonesia for so many years". There is something I can learn from that research. When there is something that the US and the Allies want to obtain from Indonesia such as nickel and other resources, the US always plays its "Propaganda Media" as a tool to discriminate against all of developing country for cheap and more valuable imported commodities to US Factories. But the facts say it's difficult for the US because of their condition that they have to create a producing factory in Indonesia to create more jobs for Indonesians. That's a minus for the US. And kudos to our old brother in Asia like China, Japan, South Korea, and other Arab Nation Country for seeing Indonesia as a Trading Partner for Indonesia with a win-win impact sollutions, not as a "Developing Country" by mannipulating all of it's resources for the sake of U.S and Allies around the western globe.
Exactly! Indonesia has been the world's largest nickel reserve for over 3 decades, and no one talked about Indonesian forests when Indonesia was still exporting the raw materials of nickel. But when Indonesia bans the raw material export of nickel, most western countries like the EU and US suddenly come out and pretend to care about the Indonesian forest. This is ridiculous! The fact is, there's 39% left forested land area in EU, and 34% left forested land in US. While Indonesia still has 64% forested land. (Source: European Parliament; Forest Org; WWF) Also about biodiversity impact, there are 36 extinct species (within the 20th - 21st century) in the EU, and 1,677 endangered to extinct species in the EU. And there are 152 extinct species in the US (within the 20th - 21st century), and more than 1,300 endangered species in the US. (Source: European Parliament; US Environmental Protection Agency) While in Indonesia, there's only 4 extinct species (within the 20th -21st century), and 223 endangered species. (Rainforest Mongabay; Convention on Biological Diversity) Conclusion: 1) EU and US should stop being a hypocrite trying to tell Indonesia about deforestation and nature impacts. They should start to take care of their own forest! 2) EU and US should stop pretending to teach Indonesian about forestry, they should learn from Indonesian instead! 3) EU and US (INCLUDING ALL COUNTRIES) should return a minimum of 50% of their lands to become forests again, and stop putting all the forest burden on Indonesia while US and EU can keep destroying their forests as they like. Because forest is not the responsibility of Indonesians only, it's a global issue, and all countries are responsible!
Most of indonesian nickel nowadays are used in stainless steel industry though. That's why Europeans are salty and fighting this nickel ore export ban. They are protecting their stainless steel industry.
Europe wants Indonesia to export raw materials as before.. Indonesia is not stupid.. please Europe to look for other countries that have nickel as raw material.
so they have an extraordinary wealth of natural resources, maybe in the next few years they will become a superpower economic country with biggest natural resources
the efforts made by the Indonesian government in collaboration with several investors from China are the right choice, why? This must be done because the European side does not want to invest in building a smelter. This has also caused a lot of criticism from Europe, especially towards environmental pollution, do they think their country is so environmentally friendly in supporting the mines they have been managing for a long time? it was they who used to pollute the environment, an example in England 30-50 years ago. 
then cry out loud to the americans and europeans, why are they too lazy to come and invest ? and let the chinese beat them out of the nickel game here ? they're willing to cry out regulations but unwilling to bring their supposedly 'envorimentally sustainable mining operation' here... they can't just get away with smelting the nickel back in their home country and allegedly leave 'enviromentally unsustainable mining operation' to us. if the US or europeans wants to talk environment then come and be men of their words. put your money where your mouth is.
@@paulallenpatriarca You see, bombing innocent civilians in faraway countries or starving entire populations through economic sanctions, or supplying weapons to cruel dictatorships isn't the problem and not to be considered a breach of any human rights (if the USA does it).
the same trees that clean our air and provide habitat to endangered species are being chopped to pave way for nickel mining that benefits a few rich people far away from Indonesia that can afford a Tesla
It's really important that you don't permanently poison the ground and charge producers upfront for replacing and replanting the site after work has moved on. Pledge is not synonymous with pay / donate or put in escrow..
Its really important to support and show them How its done better with real acts like investing and builing standardized system. instead of bitching in WTO. Oops European doesnt like their neo colonial schemes getting dithced
Indonesian government is despertly try everything they can to open as many jobs as possible. We are in the middle of demographic bonus, an opportunity to escape from lower middle income trap or become disaster if we cannot provide jobs opportunity for the young force. There are causing lots of problems especially on enviromental issues, it's indonesia don't be surprise, but I hope this country can be better in the future
They're just following the blueprint that every rich country took. I don't blame them. If rich countries don't want this to happen, they need to pay up.
Since Indonesia was colonized by the Netherlands, Japan, and other countries, Indonesia has always exported raw materials to Europe, especially to the Netherlands. But from now on, Indonesia wants to be better at utilizing resources downstream, by downstream resources, Indonesia can get better benefits, namely a better economy, creating jobs for the community, and also absorbing technology through cooperation. Nickel is our resource and we have the right to decide for ourselves how to develop it.
Absolutely! Indonesia's shift towards maximizing the benefits from its resources, like nickel, is a strong move towards economic empowerment and sustainability. It's about turning the page from a history of raw export dependency to a future where value-added industries create jobs and foster technological advancement. It's a bold stance on national development and resource sovereignty, setting an example for resource-rich nations worldwide.
@@xreediculousx there wouldn't be children working in mines, there are plenty of unemployed adult here, from highschool diploma to university bachelor, people need jobs here... Seriously
yap indonesia has environmental issue regarding mining, but we intent to improve it, but somehow our export banned on some raw mined material bother developed western world, why ?
Jangan pernah untuk mendikte & mengancam negara Indonesia... kami tidak pernah takut lagi sama penjajah negara barat. Negara barat selalu menghalangi & mencegah negara berkembang seperti Indonesia untuk menjadi negara maju. Negara barat selalu menjajah & menjarah negara miskin agar semakin miskin. DON'T TREAD ON ME - METALLICA
Ini narasi ttg bagaimana Indonesia mengolah nikel atau tindakan menekan dengan pola yg lbh halus? Kenapa Indonesia tidak boleh maju? Kenapa selalu dihubungkan dengan lingkungan? Sekarang ini polusi CO terbesar ada di amerika, dengan banyaknya kendaran dgn mesin besar yg boros!!! Amerika sendiri adalah negara perusak lingkungan terbesar di dunia....
Why is the Subject focussing on EV? Why not Cell Phones, Laptops & "Power Walls"??? It wouldn't be that the _WSJ_ is playing the game of *_CLICK BAIT_* now, would it??? 👀🤔🤦♂
on government plans. After the EV downstream is complete, there are still hundreds of other downstream companies such as cellphones, spoons, even semiconductor (i heard lately the gov make a cooperation with tsmc).
Just to show that WSJ is capable of trustworthy (rather than biased against both China and Indonesia) reporting, it pays to also investigate US’ mining giant: Freeport Mcmoran conduct there. Many have likened it to real life example of Avatar movie. Papua island as Pandora Planet, its indingenous population as Navii tribe and Freeport Mcmoran as the RDA ( Resources Development Authority) which are backed by the ruthless Indonesian Police and Army (the US Marine)😂
The way Western countries dictated Indonesia of what to do is things of the past now. Indonesia is coming out as independent and smart for his own good. So better to collaborate in fair and win win solution or you will miss the boat.
That's the spirit! Indonesia's standing up for its autonomy and charting its own course is both commendable and strategic. It's high time for partnerships based on mutual respect and equitable benefits, rather than outdated dictates. This approach not only benefits Indonesia but also sets a precedent for fair international collaboration. Miss out on this, and you're indeed missing the boat on a promising future with Indonesia.
FOR ABOUT 3 DECADES WE BECOME THE NICKEL RESERVE US AND EU NEVER TALK AND NEVER CARE ABOUT OUR FOREST AND OUR ENVIRONMENT BUT AFTER OUR GOVERNMENT BANNED TO EXPORT NICKEL SUDDENLY THE US & EU START TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT? WTH 😂😂 stop talking about the forest and environment. We do what we want to do, Indonesia is big country with alot of resources, it's time for us to be a develop country with all the resources we have. No one can stop us even IMF.
Saya rasa barat masih menunjukan kecongkaannya terhadap negara2 berkembang. Harusnya mendukung negara kita demokrasi dan penduduknya ratusan juta. Tapi tdk ada bantuan yg anda berikan. Investasi anda. Apakah anda berfikir dengan opini2 anda bisa memberikan dampak positif ke pekerjaan kami. Malah menghancurkan. Sawit kau larang. Kopi. Kakao.kelapa.dll. apakah anda sehat. Jika sehat dan berfikir jernih. Indonesia juga berhak menghidupi rakyatnya. Anda malah menghancurkan. Apakah anda sadar telah sedikit demi sedikit melukai rakyat kami. Belajarla dengan china. Sejak zaman kerajaan niat mereka hanya berdagang tanpa ingin menguasai sampai pada suatu saat kaum barat berdagang fan menjajah. Gen anda apakah demikian. Atau bisa berubah saya rasa tdk mungkin. Gen adalah turunan dan watak.
Saya orang indonesia melihat berita anda menyudutkan tanpa menanamkan investasi. Ibarat tong kosong nyaring bunyinya. Negara us yg katanya superkaya. Tapi tdk ada investasi di negara demokrasi indonesia ini. Malah membuat opini2. Bahwasanya ada kekurangan pasti ada kelebihan. Rakyat mempunyai pekerjaan. Pajak naik. Dan nikel dikelola didalam negri. Jadi. Tunjukan investasi anda dan beri contoh bukan menjatuhkan dan beropini negatif. Apakah anda takut.
We have rightly said that western countries are colonizers. No colonialist is willing for our country's class Indonesia to see it become a country with strong and advanced economic power. For now you can't see our country as a cash cow country anymore, remember it's colonialism
Indonesia can be friendship or enemy, china japan korea australia singapore taiwan always get benefit because accept by indonesia government rules, But why EU so many protest and many black campagne bla bla bla !!
Western media gone madd and exagerate nickel mine issue just after Indonesia did nickel export ban so that Indonesia get more added value in nickel rather then just export raw nickel. one of the example is this piece of propaganda againts Indonesian nickel, Obi Island is just a dot, 1 of 17000 island in Indonesia full of rainforest, this is just to saw public opinion and try to blackmail Indonesian nickel and force Indonesian to sell raw nickel to the west. imagine if Indonesia allow raw nickle to EU and the West, this kind of video wont exist. NeoColonialism on the works.
You're hitting a nerve with a critical point there. It seems like the spotlight turned sharply on Indonesia's nickel industry precisely when the country took a stand to enhance its own value chain. Framing one island's story as a representation of the whole, especially in a nation as diverse and vast as Indonesia, does raise questions about the motives behind such narratives. It's about fair play and respecting a nation's right to develop its own resources, isn't it? Calls for a more balanced and fair dialogue, free from old colonial shadows.
Hei, WSJ.... do not be a hypocrite! Why didn't you report the ecological disaster done by Freeport McMoran Mining Company in Grasberg? A billion tonnes of tailing McMoran dumped into to Arafuru Sea! As an Indonesian, I am offended by your biased report about Nickel Plant on Obi island.
As an Indonesian, I feel western environmentalist are so ignorance about this issue. They thought green energy is clean in all aspect including the battery's material mining for Electric Vehicle and Solar Energy Storage. The fact, it also makes huge damage to environment just like other minerals mining like coal, copper, gold, oil, etc.
Ooh wall street journal talking about enviroment in my place. How about you guys make a report about oil pipeline through the native american land? How about you make a report about gulf of mexico? How about you make a report about your led contaminated water? And why you never make a report about freeport, an american company in papua that derstroying and stealing for about 50 years? Where's all the story about that???
Teal,ford are also in Indo and plenty of Korean companies. It's not just China, it's that HPAL is the only current commercial technology that can turn laterite ore into battery grade nickel.
In this case...nikel eploration.. 99.9 % = good for Indonesian but not good for EU and US 0.01% = not good for Indonesian So what Gonna do by west jurnalism..? Of course Will roast this 0.01%. It Will be tell again and again..milion times till everybody trus that not good. Aplaaaus for west jurnalism
But unlike traditional cars, where oil extraction is forever an environmentally devastating process, battery tech are constantly getting improved to reduce environmental impact, not to mention EV batteries can be recycled.
@@viperabyss It takes a lot of energy and nasty chemical processes to recycle used-up EV batteries. Plus, it's more expensive than making new batteries out of raw materials. Batteries are the weak link in the "clean" EV idea.
Spot on! It's like the world only took notice when Indonesia hit pause on raw nickel exports. Makes you wonder, where was all this attention when the exports were flowing freely, right? It's high time for recognition of the value added locally and for fair trade practices. It's not just about resources; it's about respect and fair play in the global market.
Indonesia hv been export Nickel from long long time ago, and no one either Asian or european care about how Indonesia dig the nickel. But after Indonesia ban to export raw material and start to process it by itself, suddenly EU, US, and Western Country such a make black campaign. They dont know that the Indonesia start to run the good minning governance, more active in monitoring the minning process to more green and friendly to environment etc. They only care about their own properity and forget that the owner of natural resources still developing. If you (white people) want to make Indonesia more eco friendly, come and invest in Indonesia. Share your knowledge and start to make cooperation. Indonesia is an open and non block country. Indonesia is one of the Democratic country, stable politic, and one of the highest Economic in the world. Stop to complaining without action, and start to come and invest in Indonesia before China took all sector in Indonesia.
Our country is not stupid, you want to buy our country's nickel at a low price, and will sell it at a high price. heeeii nickel in our country is our country's right, our country also wants to be a rich country.
do u think that dveloping country doesnt want to be a developed country??and the western always busy raised the environemntal issue against developing country..so back to the histroy, how many forest that u had cutted in europe when u are in developing country status..
kan amerika juga merusak alam indonesia di papua dengan membuka freeport jadi jgn sok paling peduli lingkungan deh sebab amerika juga merusak di mana2😀
That wasn't surprise . mining for EV battery never meant to be environment friendly. It is same as oil industry but environment activists only blame oil industry.
talking about polluting environment, the wildfire in north america already one month and still burning. total area burnt were more than 100 millions hectares. Why the west silent about that?
Laptop, phones, whatever it is... Just don't force Indonesia to sell raw nickel, it should be processed in Indonesia to increase it's value and saving Indonesia crazy economy in this very hard time
Imo and my thoughts These things are tricky, the gov trying to build the ev environment in the country to rise up our economy, its value and make new jobs for million of indonesian however in the otherway we have to sacrifice something, either it’s our beautiful nature or something else. As a country full of rare resources we have to take this as our advantage but so many things to risks. Bangga tapi sedih.
People that think his way about the ev battery um they can recycle that. Ps the battery they use is almost the same as the battery in your phone or the AA to AAA battery you get at the store.
We shouldn't see the future as full of expensive, sophisticated electric cars, but as one where it is easy and cheap for everyone to go around using public transportation. Healthcare, housing, education, and public transport are four things that should be heavily subsidized. Treat this as a basic right, not a privilege.
I agree with you mas!, if nickel used more for electric cars is worse than electric public transportation, we must focus to public transport, urban planning for friendly cycling and others
It's going to be cheap once the battery technology becoming more advance, also we have to embrace the potential benefit within the economic of ev industries, this could be momentum of the country to become rich ,also it supported by global agenda to phase out ICE car
3:57 Just throw an empty plastic bottle on the ground, leave it for 6 days, then you will see moss and small insects! dont believe? come to my house, toba, north sumatra i will show u!!
0:57 "nickel is the cheapest..." I'm just nitpicking here since i haven't seen the full video of his presentation But in saying that, shouldn't electric cars be cheaper than they are right now? Manufacturing costs might be expensive rn since producing batteries mean companies need to build their own battery manufacturing machines, but doesn't that mean they're lying to us by saying that nickel is cheaper when at the end electric cars are more expensive than ICE cars?
I believe this such media giant won't do this coverage😂 as if theres no ban to exlorting its raw form. Yakss... battery must be made in this media giant origin country-flag 😂
Coal powers thier smelters people. At least in Australia we don't use child labour or pour the tailings into the ocean as is whats happening in Indo. Ev batteries are not green if they need coal to power thier smelters
Coal powers all smelters in Australia also. Smelters and crushing are actually the most energy intensive activities in most countries. It’s true that all the mining and manufacturing for EV’s are not green, but that’s not good for marketing, so we like to not talk about it😂 Let the rich Westerners think they are doing something good and virtue signaling by buying the new hyped thing.
The supply chain for electric cars will cause many problems in countries in the global south. Nations like Indonesia, Brazil or Congo will suffer great environmental damage.
Negara2 Barat dan Eropa mereka dulu justru lebih berkontirbusi merusak lingkungan daripada Kita sekarang , mereka bisa maju ya karena menghabiskan hutannya untuk industrialisasi. Sekarang udah maju teriak2 isu lingkungan , Kita juga mikir kali , emangnya ktia gak boleh jadi Negara Maju .... TAIII
The Addition of the tag " Like Tesla" seems to be targeting a particular company, Infact Nickel for every EV companies mined in this method so dont create false narrative to vilify a particular company.
Poor choice of words considering the flammability of these batteries 😂 I'd like to think safety would at least be SOMEWHERE on the list for these facilities but... I know Capitalism well enough to not expect the wellbeing of workers to be on anyone's priority list...
Depends on your definition of "clean". If you compare it to ICE, yes it is far cleaner, but if you compare it to say a bicycle or Electric train, it not. But there is no modern vehicle that is "clean" in a sense that it never hurt the environment in some way in its production. Afterall, even a bicycle use metal and those metal need to be mined and processed elsewhere.
Yes Europeans and the West are always right about environmental issues. And they are the ones who shout about environmental issues the most, and they lie about their country being the most environmentally friendly. Developing countries also want to be developed countries!
They cleared their forests.
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Europe cleared their forests to become developed countries. Now they are fuming when developing countries try to industrialize by clearing even just a small area of forest. Fact is forest/wildland is everywhere in Indonesia. You have to clear some to develop the economy. No other options, unless the West would provide advanced technologies to developing countries so there is no need to develop area-intensive economy. Or, the West would give "carbon tax" fund to developing countries for preserving the forests. However, the realities are the West don´t want to give advanced techs. In addition, the West promises to give carbon tax are all empty talks.
@@abcddef2112europe doesnt have forest anymore because they cleared it for hundreds of years 😂
If mining nickel in Indonesia is dirty, why western country sues Indonesia over nickel ore export ban? Western dont care about environment in Indonesia if they can get nickel ore to run their stainless steel and EV industries. Sudenly they talk about environment when Indonesia build nickel downstream for global EV supply chain and stainless steel that can replace western as a producers. Thats all. Its all just about money and hypocrisy.
When the Indonesian government sought to ban nickel exports, they invited all parties to invest in building their own smelters in the country. However, rather than investing in creating environmentally friendly nickel smelters, Western nations brought this issue to the WTO in an attempt to cancel this move. Their main fear was losing the nickel ore for their own smelters.
China was the one of few countries that had the courage to invest in Indonesia. If western countries are concerned about the environmental impact, why don't they come in and invest here, showing us how it can be done in an environmentally friendly manner?
you are correct of course.
west only care about enriching themselves by selling weapons & military equipment. at least indonesia is lucky to have developed asians (technically china is not developed yet, but you could treat them as such, korea, japan, spore, etc) that are willing to share their knowledge and prosperity.
watchout also for non-west losers being jealous of indonesia climbing up the economic ladder so they will badmouth indonesia's effort.
Very good answer for the questions raised by the videos and critics
Good point lad, well said
@elfrjz if you want to question about what freeport brought to development in indonesia, then you should question what did soeharto and his 'friend' gained from freeport. not very much done in papua (where the freeport located) while soeharto in power. he was the one who brought freeport to papua and gave them 'everything'. there even no a good road from jayapura (papua capital, located in north-east side) to manokwari and sorong in the west or merauke in the south-east.
@@bimokresno Indeed, That is why we learn from that, and using ownership sharing schema between Chinese and Indonesia companies for the newly built smelter, HSR and manufacturing facilities.
When we want to export our palm oil products to the European Union...
European Union: "Stop it, palm oil products are banned, they destroy the environment!!!"
When we stopped exporting our mineral raw materials, one of them was nickel..
European Union : "No, don't do it. Give your mineral (Nickel), don't discriminate against the global market!!!"
Basic colonial mentality, are you dissatisfied with colonialism in the past?
This is not the colonial era anymore bro, Indonesia is not that stupid..
What you don't want is how Indonesia can create non-fossil renewable fuel from palm oil..
You don't like the invention of B-40 (Bio-Diesel/Bio-Avtur) developed by Indonesia, that's why you (the European Union) are trying to thwart Indonesia.
Yeah this is the era of Asian nation to rise!
The amount of hypocrisy by the West is amazing.
Well said
I was doing a foreign geopolitical research in the past 2013, with the title "How the US played its Superpower Role for Economic Development in Indonesia for so many years". There is something I can learn from that research. When there is something that the US and the Allies want to obtain from Indonesia such as nickel and other resources, the US always plays its "Propaganda Media" as a tool to discriminate against all of developing country for cheap and more valuable imported commodities to US Factories. But the facts say it's difficult for the US because of their condition that they have to create a producing factory in Indonesia to create more jobs for Indonesians. That's a minus for the US.
And kudos to our old brother in Asia like China, Japan, South Korea, and other Arab Nation Country for seeing Indonesia as a Trading Partner for Indonesia with a win-win impact sollutions, not as a "Developing Country" by mannipulating all of it's resources for the sake of U.S and Allies around the western globe.
Exactly! Indonesia has been the world's largest nickel reserve for over 3 decades, and no one talked about Indonesian forests when Indonesia was still exporting the raw materials of nickel. But when Indonesia bans the raw material export of nickel, most western countries like the EU and US suddenly come out and pretend to care about the Indonesian forest. This is ridiculous!
The fact is, there's 39% left forested land area in EU, and 34% left forested land in US. While Indonesia still has 64% forested land. (Source: European Parliament; Forest Org; WWF)
Also about biodiversity impact, there are 36 extinct species (within the 20th - 21st century) in the EU, and 1,677 endangered to extinct species in the EU. And there are 152 extinct species in the US (within the 20th - 21st century), and more than 1,300 endangered species in the US. (Source: European Parliament; US Environmental Protection Agency)
While in Indonesia, there's only 4 extinct species (within the 20th -21st century), and 223 endangered species. (Rainforest Mongabay; Convention on Biological Diversity)
Conclusion:
1) EU and US should stop being a hypocrite trying to tell Indonesia about deforestation and nature impacts. They should start to take care of their own forest!
2) EU and US should stop pretending to teach Indonesian about forestry, they should learn from Indonesian instead!
3) EU and US (INCLUDING ALL COUNTRIES) should return a minimum of 50% of their lands to become forests again, and stop putting all the forest burden on Indonesia while US and EU can keep destroying their forests as they like. Because forest is not the responsibility of Indonesians only, it's a global issue, and all countries are responsible!
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or they just funded a rebel group to create disturbances. Divide and conquer are still a thing to
Most of indonesian nickel nowadays are used in stainless steel industry though. That's why Europeans are salty and fighting this nickel ore export ban. They are protecting their stainless steel industry.
And Indonesia protect their country, So let's see who'd better protecting
Europe wants Indonesia to export raw materials as before.. Indonesia is not stupid.. please Europe to look for other countries that have nickel as raw material.
Indonesia is the biggest
Sadly they can't find it, that's why they're brought it to WTO
Indonesia has 17000 Islands and that Obi Island Is just like a •
facts
so they have an extraordinary wealth of natural resources, maybe in the next few years they will become a superpower economic country with biggest natural resources
@@fugohell exactly
As long as tectonic plate still moving / active this material will always resurface "automatically"
the efforts made by the Indonesian government in collaboration with several investors from China are the right choice, why? This must be done because the European side does not want to invest in building a smelter. This has also caused a lot of criticism from Europe, especially towards environmental pollution, do they think their country is so environmentally friendly in supporting the mines they have been managing for a long time? it was they who used to pollute the environment, an example in England 30-50 years ago.

As Indonesian, I think China has a huge grip in indonesia's nickel market. as US presence is not visible here.
where China goes, problem follows.
then cry out loud to the americans and europeans, why are they too lazy to come and invest ? and let the chinese beat them out of the nickel game here ? they're willing to cry out regulations but unwilling to bring their supposedly 'envorimentally sustainable mining operation' here... they can't just get away with smelting the nickel back in their home country and allegedly leave 'enviromentally unsustainable mining operation' to us. if the US or europeans wants to talk environment then come and be men of their words. put your money where your mouth is.
@@paulallenpatriarca You see, bombing innocent civilians in faraway countries or starving entire populations through economic sanctions, or supplying weapons to cruel dictatorships isn't the problem and not to be considered a breach of any human rights (if the USA does it).
Battery powered cars may cause more damage to the planet than oil or coal if ecological concerns are not addressed
the same trees that clean our air and provide habitat to endangered species are being chopped to pave way for nickel mining that benefits a few rich people far away from Indonesia that can afford a Tesla
It's really important that you don't permanently poison the ground and charge producers upfront for replacing and replanting the site after work has moved on.
Pledge is not synonymous with pay / donate or put in escrow..
Its really important to support and show them How its done better with real acts like investing and builing standardized system. instead of bitching in WTO.
Oops European doesnt like their neo colonial schemes getting dithced
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@@Heavenlyrulesnice reply 😊👍
Indonesian government is despertly try everything they can to open as many jobs as possible. We are in the middle of demographic bonus, an opportunity to escape from lower middle income trap or become disaster if we cannot provide jobs opportunity for the young force. There are causing lots of problems especially on enviromental issues, it's indonesia don't be surprise, but I hope this country can be better in the future
They're just following the blueprint that every rich country took. I don't blame them. If rich countries don't want this to happen, they need to pay up.
@@spacetoast7783 rich country certainly don't give flying f, if they were, the mining facilities would've been state of the art, not those cheap one.
Indonesia is an upper middle class
@@hi-pc4qm And we don't plan to stop there
Indonesia is a sleeping beast with the absolute potential to be the third biggest economic country in the world
Since Indonesia was colonized by the Netherlands, Japan, and other countries, Indonesia has always exported raw materials to Europe, especially to the Netherlands.
But from now on, Indonesia wants to be better at utilizing resources downstream, by downstream resources, Indonesia can get better benefits, namely a better economy, creating jobs for the community, and also absorbing technology through cooperation.
Nickel is our resource and we have the right to decide for ourselves how to develop it.
Absolutely! Indonesia's shift towards maximizing the benefits from its resources, like nickel, is a strong move towards economic empowerment and sustainability. It's about turning the page from a history of raw export dependency to a future where value-added industries create jobs and foster technological advancement. It's a bold stance on national development and resource sovereignty, setting an example for resource-rich nations worldwide.
so funny how these people want indonesia keep pristine.. but poor..
still look like a better option compare to the standard destroy another country to secure oil for energy security operations.
I guess you haven't seen the videos of children working in mines, going into small holes and being buried alive.
Do you have any examples of the "standard" practice?
@@xreediculousxDude, Indonesia is the fourth biggest population in the world. Adults workforce isn't a problem.
@@xreediculousx there wouldn't be children working in mines, there are plenty of unemployed adult here, from highschool diploma to university bachelor, people need jobs here... Seriously
@@spacetoast7783sure, Irak, Libya, Afghanistan
yap indonesia has environmental issue regarding mining, but we intent to improve it, but somehow our export banned on some raw mined material bother developed western world, why ?
Jangan pernah untuk mendikte & mengancam negara Indonesia... kami tidak pernah takut lagi sama penjajah negara barat.
Negara barat selalu menghalangi & mencegah negara berkembang seperti Indonesia untuk menjadi negara maju.
Negara barat selalu menjajah & menjarah negara miskin agar semakin miskin.
DON'T TREAD ON ME - METALLICA
Indonesia have to control their source with own factory. They have learned a lot what has happened in freeport of papua and oil..
Ini narasi ttg bagaimana Indonesia mengolah nikel atau tindakan menekan dengan pola yg lbh halus?
Kenapa Indonesia tidak boleh maju? Kenapa selalu dihubungkan dengan lingkungan?
Sekarang ini polusi CO terbesar ada di amerika, dengan banyaknya kendaran dgn mesin besar yg boros!!!
Amerika sendiri adalah negara perusak lingkungan terbesar di dunia....
Why is the Subject focussing on EV? Why not Cell Phones, Laptops & "Power Walls"??? It wouldn't be that the _WSJ_ is playing the game of *_CLICK BAIT_* now, would it??? 👀🤔🤦♂
on government plans. After the EV downstream is complete, there are still hundreds of other downstream companies such as cellphones, spoons, even semiconductor (i heard lately the gov make a cooperation with tsmc).
When indonesia ask for development cooperation, they always give 'lectures' 😅
Just to show that WSJ is capable of trustworthy (rather than biased against both China and Indonesia) reporting, it pays to also investigate US’ mining giant: Freeport Mcmoran conduct there.
Many have likened it to real life example of Avatar movie.
Papua island as Pandora Planet,
its indingenous population as Navii tribe and
Freeport Mcmoran as the RDA ( Resources Development Authority) which are backed by
the ruthless Indonesian Police and Army (the US Marine)😂
After Jokowi though Freeport is owned by Indonesian government and local central papua government.
WSJ is founded by US politician, what do you expect?
The way Western countries dictated Indonesia of what to do is things of the past now.
Indonesia is coming out as independent and smart for his own good. So better to collaborate in fair and win win solution or you will miss the boat.
Ga numpang tertinggal y 👍
That's the spirit! Indonesia's standing up for its autonomy and charting its own course is both commendable and strategic. It's high time for partnerships based on mutual respect and equitable benefits, rather than outdated dictates. This approach not only benefits Indonesia but also sets a precedent for fair international collaboration. Miss out on this, and you're indeed missing the boat on a promising future with Indonesia.
FOR ABOUT 3 DECADES WE BECOME THE NICKEL RESERVE US AND EU NEVER TALK AND NEVER CARE ABOUT OUR FOREST AND OUR ENVIRONMENT BUT AFTER OUR GOVERNMENT BANNED TO EXPORT NICKEL SUDDENLY THE US & EU START TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT? WTH 😂😂 stop talking about the forest and environment. We do what we want to do, Indonesia is big country with alot of resources, it's time for us to be a develop country with all the resources we have. No one can stop us even IMF.
Yes, such hypocrisy
Saya rasa barat masih menunjukan kecongkaannya terhadap negara2 berkembang. Harusnya mendukung negara kita demokrasi dan penduduknya ratusan juta. Tapi tdk ada bantuan yg anda berikan. Investasi anda. Apakah anda berfikir dengan opini2 anda bisa memberikan dampak positif ke pekerjaan kami. Malah menghancurkan. Sawit kau larang. Kopi. Kakao.kelapa.dll. apakah anda sehat. Jika sehat dan berfikir jernih. Indonesia juga berhak menghidupi rakyatnya. Anda malah menghancurkan. Apakah anda sadar telah sedikit demi sedikit melukai rakyat kami.
Belajarla dengan china. Sejak zaman kerajaan niat mereka hanya berdagang tanpa ingin menguasai sampai pada suatu saat kaum barat berdagang fan menjajah.
Gen anda apakah demikian. Atau bisa berubah saya rasa tdk mungkin. Gen adalah turunan dan watak.
Saya orang indonesia melihat berita anda menyudutkan tanpa menanamkan investasi. Ibarat tong kosong nyaring bunyinya. Negara us yg katanya superkaya. Tapi tdk ada investasi di negara demokrasi indonesia ini. Malah membuat opini2. Bahwasanya ada kekurangan pasti ada kelebihan. Rakyat mempunyai pekerjaan. Pajak naik. Dan nikel dikelola didalam negri. Jadi. Tunjukan investasi anda dan beri contoh bukan menjatuhkan dan beropini negatif. Apakah anda takut.
We have rightly said that western countries are colonizers. No colonialist is willing for our country's class Indonesia to see it become a country with strong and advanced economic power. For now you can't see our country as a cash cow country anymore, remember it's colonialism
TIME OF #ASEAN ++++++++++++++++
negara kita yang dirusak, negara lain yang senang dan mereka yang dapet untung, skrng saatnya indonesia jadi negara maju
Indonesia can be friendship or enemy, china japan korea australia singapore taiwan always get benefit because accept by indonesia government rules,
But why EU so many protest and many black campagne bla bla bla !!
Mulai lagi black Campaign. 🤣 🤣 Barat Gitu loh.
Yeah tesla is the only ev company, this is blatant propaganda against tesla.
Who said that?
Europe and US propaganda... through journalism....
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Western media gone madd and exagerate nickel mine issue just after Indonesia did nickel export ban so that Indonesia get more added value in nickel rather then just export raw nickel.
one of the example is this piece of propaganda againts Indonesian nickel, Obi Island is just a dot, 1 of 17000 island in Indonesia full of rainforest, this is just to saw public opinion and try to blackmail Indonesian nickel and force Indonesian to sell raw nickel to the west.
imagine if Indonesia allow raw nickle to EU and the West, this kind of video wont exist. NeoColonialism on the works.
You're hitting a nerve with a critical point there. It seems like the spotlight turned sharply on Indonesia's nickel industry precisely when the country took a stand to enhance its own value chain. Framing one island's story as a representation of the whole, especially in a nation as diverse and vast as Indonesia, does raise questions about the motives behind such narratives. It's about fair play and respecting a nation's right to develop its own resources, isn't it? Calls for a more balanced and fair dialogue, free from old colonial shadows.
Hei, WSJ.... do not be a hypocrite! Why didn't you report the ecological disaster done by Freeport McMoran Mining Company in Grasberg? A billion tonnes of tailing McMoran dumped into to Arafuru Sea! As an Indonesian, I am offended by your biased report about Nickel Plant on Obi island.
As an Indonesian, I feel western environmentalist are so ignorance about this issue. They thought green energy is clean in all aspect including the battery's material mining for Electric Vehicle and Solar Energy Storage. The fact, it also makes huge damage to environment just like other minerals mining like coal, copper, gold, oil, etc.
Then the west can show Indonesia how to do it right and come invest and build smelters and mines there instead of yapping about it
Why america and eourope care about indonesian country but not care about iraq
Why don't you help us,talk is cheap my friend. We have many mouth to feed.
Ooh wall street journal talking about enviroment in my place. How about you guys make a report about oil pipeline through the native american land? How about you make a report about gulf of mexico? How about you make a report about your led contaminated water?
And why you never make a report about freeport, an american company in papua that derstroying and stealing for about 50 years? Where's all the story about that???
Teal,ford are also in Indo and plenty of Korean companies. It's not just China, it's that HPAL is the only current commercial technology that can turn laterite ore into battery grade nickel.
In this case...nikel eploration..
99.9 % = good for Indonesian but not good for EU and US
0.01% = not good for Indonesian
So what Gonna do by west jurnalism..?
Of course Will roast this 0.01%.
It Will be tell again and again..milion times till everybody trus that not good.
Aplaaaus for west jurnalism
Another environmental issues card. I can't stand with this hipocrasy
A wise man once said: "Electric cars aren't here to save the planet, they're here to save the car industry."
To make a few people very rich...Those bearing this ecological costs are poor people that have never seen a Tesla
good point my friend. very well said.
But unlike traditional cars, where oil extraction is forever an environmentally devastating process, battery tech are constantly getting improved to reduce environmental impact, not to mention EV batteries can be recycled.
And that was a wise man? lol
@@viperabyss It takes a lot of energy and nasty chemical processes to recycle used-up EV batteries. Plus, it's more expensive than making new batteries out of raw materials. Batteries are the weak link in the "clean" EV idea.
Yeah right, this just become issue because Indonesia stop the raw nickel export. Where you've been for all these years when we export the raw nickel??
Spot on! It's like the world only took notice when Indonesia hit pause on raw nickel exports. Makes you wonder, where was all this attention when the exports were flowing freely, right? It's high time for recognition of the value added locally and for fair trade practices. It's not just about resources; it's about respect and fair play in the global market.
Indonesia hv been export Nickel from long long time ago, and no one either Asian or european care about how Indonesia dig the nickel. But after Indonesia ban to export raw material and start to process it by itself, suddenly EU, US, and Western Country such a make black campaign. They dont know that the Indonesia start to run the good minning governance, more active in monitoring the minning process to more green and friendly to environment etc. They only care about their own properity and forget that the owner of natural resources still developing. If you (white people) want to make Indonesia more eco friendly, come and invest in Indonesia. Share your knowledge and start to make cooperation. Indonesia is an open and non block country. Indonesia is one of the Democratic country, stable politic, and one of the highest Economic in the world. Stop to complaining without action, and start to come and invest in Indonesia before China took all sector in Indonesia.
Our country is not stupid, you want to buy our country's nickel at a low price, and will sell it at a high price. heeeii nickel in our country is our country's right, our country also wants to be a rich country.
do u think that dveloping country doesnt want to be a developed country??and the western always busy raised the environemntal issue against developing country..so back to the histroy, how many forest that u had cutted in europe when u are in developing country status..
Important topic, but this video lacks detail. No mention of tailings (Deep Sea => Dry Stack Tailings) and the mine run-off that pollutes waters.
It's a 4 min video, it couldn't possibly cover everything involved in mining nickle.
Europe wants this thing bur rejected our CPO. Should we cut ties with European union?
setelah ratusan tahun eropa mengekspor,tidak ada yang berteriak seperti ini,kami juga ingin menikmati hasil tanah kami.dasar manusia munafik
Robin Hood was environmentalist, and he couldnt brought back London forests he lost to capitalism
european always push about environtment.. but they dont have forest.. 😂🤣🤣
“The pickle for these EV makers is how to get the nickel…” So what you’re saying is it’s a pickle to get the nickel?😂
PICKLE FOR THE NICKEL
kan amerika juga merusak alam indonesia di papua dengan membuka freeport jadi jgn sok paling peduli lingkungan deh sebab amerika juga merusak di mana2😀
What about underwater petroleum ? . How both compare. Which is more impactful . Do u remember deep sea horizon? Hi
The solution is simple.we're all should travel with bicycle
Or horse
@@antosaputrakurniawan or just use our leg 😂
#418👍🤔If this is what we need to do to continue the lie that EV cars are a solution to global warming; this news needs a much larger audience!!🤷
Ok leftist
Stop burning gas , that's the point ev,
Indonesia ❤🇮🇩🙏
Well if you see the nickel as hazardly extracted commodity, we should find other minerals that close to its energy density and also cheaper
Go find, but sadly fact you can't find any, that's why your people are crying and begging into WTO to make Indonesia unbanned their export
Uranium
That wasn't surprise . mining for EV battery never meant to be environment friendly. It is same as oil industry but environment activists only blame oil industry.
talking about polluting environment, the wildfire in north america already one month and still burning. total area burnt were more than 100 millions hectares. Why the west silent about that?
This is nickel for laptops & phones?
ya bahkan semua barang yang ada di dapur.
Laptop, phones, whatever it is... Just don't force Indonesia to sell raw nickel, it should be processed in Indonesia to increase it's value and saving Indonesia crazy economy in this very hard time
Is this publicity or a pr stunt against evs again, american propaganda is so weird 😅
Imo and my thoughts
These things are tricky, the gov trying to build the ev environment in the country to rise up our economy, its value and make new jobs for million of indonesian however in the otherway we have to sacrifice something, either it’s our beautiful nature or something else.
As a country full of rare resources we have to take this as our advantage but so many things to risks. Bangga tapi sedih.
Nice & interesting content
3:05 its toll on the environment
People that think his way about the ev battery um they can recycle that.
Ps the battery they use is almost the same as the battery in your phone or the AA to AAA battery you get at the store.
We shouldn't see the future as full of expensive, sophisticated electric cars, but as one where it is easy and cheap for everyone to go around using public transportation. Healthcare, housing, education, and public transport are four things that should be heavily subsidized. Treat this as a basic right, not a privilege.
Of course, this is common sense.
I agree with you mas!, if nickel used more for electric cars is worse than electric public transportation, we must focus to public transport, urban planning for friendly cycling and others
@@555Trout public transport full of dangerous people? Where you live bro?
It's going to be cheap once the battery technology becoming more advance, also we have to embrace the potential benefit within the economic of ev industries, this could be momentum of the country to become rich ,also it supported by global agenda to phase out ICE car
@@555Trout no cars are annoying and dangerous to people
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No nickel is NOT "essential", it is just one of the "options."
Yes, then don't buy it raw from Indonesia
3:57 Just throw an empty plastic bottle on the ground, leave it for 6 days, then you will see moss and small insects!
dont believe? come to my house, toba, north sumatra i will show u!!
I know what to look into investing in next.
the forest can be restored to its original state
Tesla barely uses nickel in most of their cars. You're the ones not fully aware of reality
You sure..?? because nickle also use to make steel.
Tesla body part is made of aluminum
Still, Indonesia shouldn't export raw nickel. Whatever the reality, it would be a big loss if Indonesia export the nickel in raw materials
Ask nickelodeon's
0:57 "nickel is the cheapest..."
I'm just nitpicking here since i haven't seen the full video of his presentation
But in saying that, shouldn't electric cars be cheaper than they are right now?
Manufacturing costs might be expensive rn since producing batteries mean companies need to build their own battery manufacturing machines, but doesn't that mean they're lying to us by saying that nickel is cheaper when at the end electric cars are more expensive than ICE cars?
EV is probably worse than gasoline. Hydrogen is far cleaner than EV.
I believe this such media giant won't do this coverage😂 as if theres no ban to exlorting its raw form. Yakss... battery must be made in this media giant origin country-flag 😂
ENVY WESTERN PEOPLR
Me, an Indonesian: Today, it's your electric cars. Tomorrow, the world! Mwahahaha!
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Coal powers thier smelters people. At least in Australia we don't use child labour or pour the tailings into the ocean as is whats happening in Indo. Ev batteries are not green if they need coal to power thier smelters
Child labor and deep sea tailing is banned in Indonesia, seems you knew very little.
Coal powers all smelters in Australia also. Smelters and crushing are actually the most energy intensive activities in most countries. It’s true that all the mining and manufacturing for EV’s are not green, but that’s not good for marketing, so we like to not talk about it😂 Let the rich Westerners think they are doing something good and virtue signaling by buying the new hyped thing.
Looks like a monoculture tree planting 😅
From creation to hazardous waste disposal, batteries are an environmental disaster.
The supply chain for electric cars will cause many problems in countries in the global south. Nations like Indonesia, Brazil or Congo will suffer great environmental damage.
If the wishes of the western countries and the US were to obtain the nickel, it would be a different story
how? robbing indonesia and other mines
China will get the advantage for their EV market
China, korea from hyundai, even germany from Volkswagen come here!
Then invest, don't just complain about raw nickel exporting ban
Negara2 Barat dan Eropa mereka dulu justru lebih berkontirbusi merusak lingkungan daripada Kita sekarang , mereka bisa maju ya karena menghabiskan hutannya untuk industrialisasi. Sekarang udah maju teriak2 isu lingkungan , Kita juga mikir kali , emangnya ktia gak boleh jadi Negara Maju .... TAIII
The Addition of the tag " Like Tesla" seems to be targeting a particular company, Infact Nickel for every EV companies mined in this method so dont create false narrative to vilify a particular company.
It's probably just a way to turn up in more searches and generate more clicks. Tesla is really popular in the US.
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The irony...
fast
Their using this expert to talk looking like puppet. Script are done 😂
as soon as tesla stock goes up, the whole msm goes loud on tesla. its crazy to see
Poor choice of words considering the flammability of these batteries 😂 I'd like to think safety would at least be SOMEWHERE on the list for these facilities but... I know Capitalism well enough to not expect the wellbeing of workers to be on anyone's priority list...
So a EV isn’t that clean?🤔
It is NOT clean even a little bit.
It's rather clean.
@@A93kenOK leftist. Let us know when you've invented transportation that runs on daydreams and feelings and unicorn farts.
@@spacetoast7783 what does that mean? 😂
Depends on your definition of "clean". If you compare it to ICE, yes it is far cleaner, but if you compare it to say a bicycle or Electric train, it not.
But there is no modern vehicle that is "clean" in a sense that it never hurt the environment in some way in its production. Afterall, even a bicycle use metal and those metal need to be mined and processed elsewhere.
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